Traditional Boxing Day hunts gather across Worcestershire

Worcester News: The hunt in Upton upon Severn on Christmas Eve The hunt in Upton upon Severn on Christmas Eve

YOUNG and old braved the cold yesterday for the traditional Boxing Day hunts.

Hundreds turned out in Droitwich to see around 110 horses and 39 hounds gather at the Raven Hotel, in Victoria Square, at 11am for the Worcestershire Hunt’s annual meet.

Addressing the crowd, senior master of the hounds David Palmer said this year marked the 40th anniversary of the hunt meeting at the hotel, but that it could be the last time as plans are currently in progress to redevelop the 19th century building.

“We have to act within the hunting law nowadays and out in the countryside trails have been set,” he said.

“We are going to keep going. If you keep coming we shall be here for a long time yet.”

Mayor Tom Noyes was also present to see the hunt off at 11am and thanked everyone who turned out for their support.

“Eighty per cent of the country say fox hunting should be banned. I don’t agree with that,” he said.

“Long may it continue.”

Joint master of the foxhounds, Adrian Ward, said the hunt would be following a trail through Hanbury Park and further afield.

“We’ve got a great turnout,” he said.

“It’s very good to see in what is a very difficult time.”

Hundreds of eager spectators also massed onto Broad Street, in Pershore, to catch a glimpse of the horses and ponies taking centre stage before setting off.

Mr Ed Righton, field master of the Croome and West Warwickshire Hunt, said: “This is one of the biggest hunts yet, it’s a great turn out.

“It’s a tradition that has been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years and it’s great to take part in it. The turnout would be even bigger were it still legal though.

“I’m glad to see there is still support for hunting as it is a very British tradition.”

Around 70 horses and 30 hounds set off from the town centre at 11.30am, following the trail of fox scents ensure the hunt remained within the boundaries of the law.

Joining the hunting effort was a bird of prey, as according to the Hunting Act 2004, it is legal to use dogs to flush out wild mammals for the birds of prey to hunt.

The riders led their horses through Drakes Broughton, Wyre Piddle and the surrounding countryside areas.

On Christmas Eve, the Croome and West Warwickshire Hunt was in Upton upon Severn for the town’s traditional meeting.

Meanwhile, as around 250,000 people gathered for around 250 hunts up and down the country, the Countryside Alliance called on the coalition Government to make good on its promise to amend the law to make it easier to flush out and shoot foxes.

The organisation’s executive chairman, Barney White-Spunner, said: “In three and a half years the Government has done nothing to address this illiberal, unjust and divisive law.

"The arguments for repeal or replacement of the ban are unarguable. Proposals to amend the Act backed by science have been brought forward and there is solid support in parliament. Doing nothing is not an acceptable option.

“Hunting is a totemic issue and even a small improvement to the current situation would go a long way to persuading rural people that the government is in step with them.”

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2:01pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Nortynorse says...

And may the tradition continue.
And may the tradition continue. Nortynorse

2:43pm Thu 26 Dec 13

New Kid on the Block says...

The tradition will continue.
The tradition will continue. New Kid on the Block

3:12pm Thu 26 Dec 13

goodygoody says...

I am horrified that this 'tradition' is still going on in the 21st century. Men on horseback, dogs and now a bird all out to terrify and kill one solitary animal that has no hope of escape. Anyone who supports this dreadful, so called, sport should be horsewhipped. Would these supporters like to see their pets killed in this way, and it's not quick even? And please don't bore me with "have you seen what a fox does if it gets in a chicken pen or catches a little lamb". I am ashamed to be a member of the human race. How can anyone cheer and shout when an animal of any sort is being (still) ripped apart. Whatever happened to compassion?
I am horrified that this 'tradition' is still going on in the 21st century. Men on horseback, dogs and now a bird all out to terrify and kill one solitary animal that has no hope of escape. Anyone who supports this dreadful, so called, sport should be horsewhipped. Would these supporters like to see their pets killed in this way, and it's not quick even? And please don't bore me with "have you seen what a fox does if it gets in a chicken pen or catches a little lamb". I am ashamed to be a member of the human race. How can anyone cheer and shout when an animal of any sort is being (still) ripped apart. Whatever happened to compassion? goodygoody

5:07pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Dagnasty says...

SCUM SCUM SCUM
SCUM SCUM SCUM Dagnasty

9:45pm Thu 26 Dec 13

sunnside says...

rich toffs killing a helpless animal
rich toffs killing a helpless animal sunnside

9:57pm Thu 26 Dec 13

tub_thumper says...

goodygoody wrote:
I am horrified that this 'tradition' is still going on in the 21st century. Men on horseback, dogs and now a bird all out to terrify and kill one solitary animal that has no hope of escape. Anyone who supports this dreadful, so called, sport should be horsewhipped. Would these supporters like to see their pets killed in this way, and it's not quick even? And please don't bore me with "have you seen what a fox does if it gets in a chicken pen or catches a little lamb". I am ashamed to be a member of the human race. How can anyone cheer and shout when an animal of any sort is being (still) ripped apart. Whatever happened to compassion?
Never a true word spoken. The hunt brigade kill foxes in the name of conservation. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but how can you justify keeping animals numbers down in such a barbaric way? And for humans to get pleasure from it because it's considered a sport?

And you're right goodygoody: the excuse of foxes killing chickens and lambs is pathetic. Like I've said a hundred times before; secure your livestock properly and then the fox won't get it! And also, the excuse about foxes killing many chickens (for fun?!) and then only taking one; may I remind people that a fox will surplus kill. He will come bag later to collect the other chickens and then bury them for later use. But before Mr Fox gets chance to come back then human clears away the dead chickens.

Nortynorse and New Kid: you are both in the minority. judging by your down votes and the 39% of WN readers who think the rules on fox hunting should be tighter clear shows this. And before you blame the opinion polls for not showing the true views then would you argue against the 80% of the English population?

#justsaying
[quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: I am horrified that this 'tradition' is still going on in the 21st century. Men on horseback, dogs and now a bird all out to terrify and kill one solitary animal that has no hope of escape. Anyone who supports this dreadful, so called, sport should be horsewhipped. Would these supporters like to see their pets killed in this way, and it's not quick even? And please don't bore me with "have you seen what a fox does if it gets in a chicken pen or catches a little lamb". I am ashamed to be a member of the human race. How can anyone cheer and shout when an animal of any sort is being (still) ripped apart. Whatever happened to compassion?[/p][/quote]Never a true word spoken. The hunt brigade kill foxes in the name of conservation. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but how can you justify keeping animals numbers down in such a barbaric way? And for humans to get pleasure from it because it's considered a sport? And you're right goodygoody: the excuse of foxes killing chickens and lambs is pathetic. Like I've said a hundred times before; secure your livestock properly and then the fox won't get it! And also, the excuse about foxes killing many chickens (for fun?!) and then only taking one; may I remind people that a fox will surplus kill. He will come bag later to collect the other chickens and then bury them for later use. But before Mr Fox gets chance to come back then human clears away the dead chickens. Nortynorse and New Kid: you are both in the minority. judging by your down votes and the 39% of WN readers who think the rules on fox hunting should be tighter clear shows this. And before you blame the opinion polls for not showing the true views then would you argue against the 80% of the English population? #justsaying tub_thumper

10:19pm Thu 26 Dec 13

broken6 says...

For the last 10 years, it has only been trail hunting? No foxes are allowed to be chased/killed. If you have evidence to prove otherwise, plesae inform the authourities. So I'm not sure why you are all talking about foxes being ripped apart?

For the record I am totally against fox hunting and all the BS they came out with at the start of the ban has been shown to be just that. They said people would be put out of work, horses and hounds would have to be put down...etc Now they are saying it's the "biggest hunts, yet!" ,
For the last 10 years, it has only been trail hunting? No foxes are allowed to be chased/killed. If you have evidence to prove otherwise, plesae inform the authourities. So I'm not sure why you are all talking about foxes being ripped apart? For the record I am totally against fox hunting and all the BS they came out with at the start of the ban has been shown to be just that. They said people would be put out of work, horses and hounds would have to be put down...etc Now they are saying it's the "biggest hunts, yet!" , broken6

12:27am Fri 27 Dec 13

cazbah says...

The whole thing sickens me, I have fallen upon 2 hunts in the last 2 days, knowing there are still 60 hunts out there breaking the rules makes me very distrustful of the local ones. Time to put my money where my mouth is and join the league against cruel sports. It bothers me that these barbaric individuals move amongst us and could even be in my circle of friends. I love living in Worcestershire but this outdated element of our heritage is something which fills me with shame.
The whole thing sickens me, I have fallen upon 2 hunts in the last 2 days, knowing there are still 60 hunts out there breaking the rules makes me very distrustful of the local ones. Time to put my money where my mouth is and join the league against cruel sports. It bothers me that these barbaric individuals move amongst us and could even be in my circle of friends. I love living in Worcestershire but this outdated element of our heritage is something which fills me with shame. cazbah

10:52am Fri 27 Dec 13

BadgerMash says...

Despite impending severe weather warnings, flood warnings - and actual flooding later the same day, and it being one of the busiest shopping and travel days of the year, these people were allowed to close off the main road through Upton in order to parade about for no obvious purpose, taking up valuable car parking space and discouraging desperately needed seasonal business from the town's small shops. What on earth were Malvern Hills District Council thinking in permitting this to happen?
Despite impending severe weather warnings, flood warnings - and actual flooding later the same day, and it being one of the busiest shopping and travel days of the year, these people were allowed to close off the main road through Upton in order to parade about for no obvious purpose, taking up valuable car parking space and discouraging desperately needed seasonal business from the town's small shops. What on earth were Malvern Hills District Council thinking in permitting this to happen? BadgerMash

12:56pm Fri 27 Dec 13

pudniw_gib says...

Scumbags....
Scumbags.... pudniw_gib

3:08pm Fri 27 Dec 13

tub_thumper says...

BadgerMash wrote:
Despite impending severe weather warnings, flood warnings - and actual flooding later the same day, and it being one of the busiest shopping and travel days of the year, these people were allowed to close off the main road through Upton in order to parade about for no obvious purpose, taking up valuable car parking space and discouraging desperately needed seasonal business from the town's small shops. What on earth were Malvern Hills District Council thinking in permitting this to happen?
It's because they "own" the countryside, apparently...
You have realky put things into perspective. Why are they allowed to shut roads at this time of year (or any time of the year for that matter)? Why are they allowed to parade about in the name of a cruel sport? Why are children allowed to witness this? Why are they allowed to dart about the countryside with angry dogs that are not on leads? Why are they allowed to trespass onto people's land? And most of all, why does it take loads of men, on horseback, with a pack of hounds to chase and savagely kill one fox?! It's good that there is a ban - no more barbaric killings (unless they are breaking the law that is)? And it's also good the 80% of the country share the same views as me.
No one wants fox hunting so let's abolish it completely. Drag and trail hunting only tempts individuals to indulge in a live chase. Ban trail and drag hunting too. They'll be no more temptation and the next generation will not grow up to be blood thirsty, ignorant swines!
[quote][p][bold]BadgerMash[/bold] wrote: Despite impending severe weather warnings, flood warnings - and actual flooding later the same day, and it being one of the busiest shopping and travel days of the year, these people were allowed to close off the main road through Upton in order to parade about for no obvious purpose, taking up valuable car parking space and discouraging desperately needed seasonal business from the town's small shops. What on earth were Malvern Hills District Council thinking in permitting this to happen?[/p][/quote]It's because they "own" the countryside, apparently... You have realky put things into perspective. Why are they allowed to shut roads at this time of year (or any time of the year for that matter)? Why are they allowed to parade about in the name of a cruel sport? Why are children allowed to witness this? Why are they allowed to dart about the countryside with angry dogs that are not on leads? Why are they allowed to trespass onto people's land? And most of all, why does it take loads of men, on horseback, with a pack of hounds to chase and savagely kill one fox?! It's good that there is a ban - no more barbaric killings (unless they are breaking the law that is)? And it's also good the 80% of the country share the same views as me. No one wants fox hunting so let's abolish it completely. Drag and trail hunting only tempts individuals to indulge in a live chase. Ban trail and drag hunting too. They'll be no more temptation and the next generation will not grow up to be blood thirsty, ignorant swines! tub_thumper

4:03pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Nortynorse says...

Just listen to you UNEDUCATED idiots, perhaps if you would like to come to our smallholding and see the damage ONE, yes ONE fox can do, don't listen to the "cuddly foxy" stories, get out there and see the REAL WORLD.

As a matter of interest, I didn't see any of the UNEDUCATED when the rain was pouring down Monday last, or in the bitter midwinter.

Stick to your "armchairs & nut roasts" until you understand the countryside and its ways.


Must go now, gotta get the horse ready for tomorrows meet!!!!!!
Just listen to you UNEDUCATED idiots, perhaps if you would like to come to our smallholding and see the damage ONE, yes ONE fox can do, don't listen to the "cuddly foxy" stories, get out there and see the REAL WORLD. As a matter of interest, I didn't see any of the UNEDUCATED when the rain was pouring down Monday last, or in the bitter midwinter. Stick to your "armchairs & nut roasts" until you understand the countryside and its ways. Must go now, gotta get the horse ready for tomorrows meet!!!!!! Nortynorse

4:14pm Fri 27 Dec 13

lilboo says...

I'll exercise my horse when and where I like, if you're all so brave don't talk the talk, unmask yourselves when you turn up frightening five year olds out on their ponies!
I'll exercise my horse when and where I like, if you're all so brave don't talk the talk, unmask yourselves when you turn up frightening five year olds out on their ponies! lilboo

4:33pm Fri 27 Dec 13

pinkfluff says...

Nortynorse wrote:
Just listen to you UNEDUCATED idiots, perhaps if you would like to come to our smallholding and see the damage ONE, yes ONE fox can do, don't listen to the "cuddly foxy" stories, get out there and see the REAL WORLD.

As a matter of interest, I didn't see any of the UNEDUCATED when the rain was pouring down Monday last, or in the bitter midwinter.

Stick to your "armchairs & nut roasts" until you understand the countryside and its ways.


Must go now, gotta get the horse ready for tomorrows meet!!!!!!
This is a very unpopular "sport" and I suppose that if you wish to continue to indulge yourself with cruelty then I guess you will have to learn to deal with it.

I think you are scum....sorry that's just my opinion and the way I feel. I am disgusted by your behaviour, I can't change that or the way I feel. It sickens me.

I also feel deeply ashamed to be British because this is allowed to continue.
[quote][p][bold]Nortynorse[/bold] wrote: Just listen to you UNEDUCATED idiots, perhaps if you would like to come to our smallholding and see the damage ONE, yes ONE fox can do, don't listen to the "cuddly foxy" stories, get out there and see the REAL WORLD. As a matter of interest, I didn't see any of the UNEDUCATED when the rain was pouring down Monday last, or in the bitter midwinter. Stick to your "armchairs & nut roasts" until you understand the countryside and its ways. Must go now, gotta get the horse ready for tomorrows meet!!!!!![/p][/quote]This is a very unpopular "sport" and I suppose that if you wish to continue to indulge yourself with cruelty then I guess you will have to learn to deal with it. I think you are scum....sorry that's just my opinion and the way I feel. I am disgusted by your behaviour, I can't change that or the way I feel. It sickens me. I also feel deeply ashamed to be British because this is allowed to continue. pinkfluff

4:56pm Fri 27 Dec 13

lilboo says...

pinkfluff wrote:
Nortynorse wrote:
Just listen to you UNEDUCATED idiots, perhaps if you would like to come to our smallholding and see the damage ONE, yes ONE fox can do, don't listen to the "cuddly foxy" stories, get out there and see the REAL WORLD.

As a matter of interest, I didn't see any of the UNEDUCATED when the rain was pouring down Monday last, or in the bitter midwinter.

Stick to your "armchairs & nut roasts" until you understand the countryside and its ways.


Must go now, gotta get the horse ready for tomorrows meet!!!!!!
This is a very unpopular "sport" and I suppose that if you wish to continue to indulge yourself with cruelty then I guess you will have to learn to deal with it.

I think you are scum....sorry that's just my opinion and the way I feel. I am disgusted by your behaviour, I can't change that or the way I feel. It sickens me.

I also feel deeply ashamed to be British because this is allowed to continue.
How dare you judge someone as scum? How utterly rude and judgement you are, what a small minded individual! Next time our land is littered with chickens with heads ripped off and left, not even taken as food you will be willing to clear up your friendly fox's mess I presume?

Again, my horse will ride out, when where and how I choose, I will rude at people who attempt to endanger me and other around me, because at the end if the day you are uninvited in my leaky life of riding.
[quote][p][bold]pinkfluff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nortynorse[/bold] wrote: Just listen to you UNEDUCATED idiots, perhaps if you would like to come to our smallholding and see the damage ONE, yes ONE fox can do, don't listen to the "cuddly foxy" stories, get out there and see the REAL WORLD. As a matter of interest, I didn't see any of the UNEDUCATED when the rain was pouring down Monday last, or in the bitter midwinter. Stick to your "armchairs & nut roasts" until you understand the countryside and its ways. Must go now, gotta get the horse ready for tomorrows meet!!!!!![/p][/quote]This is a very unpopular "sport" and I suppose that if you wish to continue to indulge yourself with cruelty then I guess you will have to learn to deal with it. I think you are scum....sorry that's just my opinion and the way I feel. I am disgusted by your behaviour, I can't change that or the way I feel. It sickens me. I also feel deeply ashamed to be British because this is allowed to continue.[/p][/quote]How dare you judge someone as scum? How utterly rude and judgement you are, what a small minded individual! Next time our land is littered with chickens with heads ripped off and left, not even taken as food you will be willing to clear up your friendly fox's mess I presume? Again, my horse will ride out, when where and how I choose, I will rude at people who attempt to endanger me and other around me, because at the end if the day you are uninvited in my leaky life of riding. lilboo

4:57pm Fri 27 Dec 13

lilboo says...

*Daily life of riding!
*Daily life of riding! lilboo

4:58pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Nortynorse says...

PINKFLUFF (stupid name)

if you are ashamed to be British, move off to a Third World Country where the welfare of animals in abattoirs is even more barbaric than foxhunting.

Sorry you are probably a vegetarian.

YUM YUM
PINKFLUFF (stupid name) if you are ashamed to be British, move off to a Third World Country where the welfare of animals in abattoirs is even more barbaric than foxhunting. Sorry you are probably a vegetarian. YUM YUM Nortynorse

5:03pm Fri 27 Dec 13

pinkfluff says...

To the above commentors. I did apologies for saying that I and judging you. I know I didn't have too but it is the right thing to do.
To the above commentors. I did apologies for saying that I and judging you. I know I didn't have too but it is the right thing to do. pinkfluff

5:08pm Fri 27 Dec 13

lilboo says...

Well I look forward to encountering you next Boxing Day, unless your 'beliefs' don't stretch to you going out in the cold, wet, snow or any other weather of course! Feel free to call me scum to my face then.....
Well I look forward to encountering you next Boxing Day, unless your 'beliefs' don't stretch to you going out in the cold, wet, snow or any other weather of course! Feel free to call me scum to my face then..... lilboo

5:15pm Fri 27 Dec 13

New Kid on the Block says...

If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?
If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up? New Kid on the Block

5:39pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Dagnasty says...

lilboo wrote:
Well I look forward to encountering you next Boxing Day, unless your 'beliefs' don't stretch to you going out in the cold, wet, snow or any other weather of course! Feel free to call me scum to my face then.....
Any time any place. I'd gladly walk a 100 miles barefooted to call you scum straight to you're face.
[quote][p][bold]lilboo[/bold] wrote: Well I look forward to encountering you next Boxing Day, unless your 'beliefs' don't stretch to you going out in the cold, wet, snow or any other weather of course! Feel free to call me scum to my face then.....[/p][/quote]Any time any place. I'd gladly walk a 100 miles barefooted to call you scum straight to you're face. Dagnasty

5:49pm Fri 27 Dec 13

goodygoody says...

broken6 wrote:
For the last 10 years, it has only been trail hunting? No foxes are allowed to be chased/killed. If you have evidence to prove otherwise, plesae inform the authourities. So I'm not sure why you are all talking about foxes being ripped apart?

For the record I am totally against fox hunting and all the BS they came out with at the start of the ban has been shown to be just that. They said people would be put out of work, horses and hounds would have to be put down...etc Now they are saying it's the "biggest hunts, yet!" ,
What's is or isn't allowed doesn't come into it. They are 'accidently' still killing foxes and if you think otherwise you are wearing rose tinted glasses. They use a falcon to kill the fox and can you just imagine what that's like for the fox. Or they shoot them. And all this for fun. It certainly isn't about 'taking care of the countryside'. They love it, enjoy it, can't live without it and bring their children up to do exactly the same. Horrific.
[quote][p][bold]broken6[/bold] wrote: For the last 10 years, it has only been trail hunting? No foxes are allowed to be chased/killed. If you have evidence to prove otherwise, plesae inform the authourities. So I'm not sure why you are all talking about foxes being ripped apart? For the record I am totally against fox hunting and all the BS they came out with at the start of the ban has been shown to be just that. They said people would be put out of work, horses and hounds would have to be put down...etc Now they are saying it's the "biggest hunts, yet!" ,[/p][/quote]What's is or isn't allowed doesn't come into it. They are 'accidently' still killing foxes and if you think otherwise you are wearing rose tinted glasses. They use a falcon to kill the fox and can you just imagine what that's like for the fox. Or they shoot them. And all this for fun. It certainly isn't about 'taking care of the countryside'. They love it, enjoy it, can't live without it and bring their children up to do exactly the same. Horrific. goodygoody

6:04pm Fri 27 Dec 13

New Kid on the Block says...

goodygoody wrote:
broken6 wrote:
For the last 10 years, it has only been trail hunting? No foxes are allowed to be chased/killed. If you have evidence to prove otherwise, plesae inform the authourities. So I'm not sure why you are all talking about foxes being ripped apart?

For the record I am totally against fox hunting and all the BS they came out with at the start of the ban has been shown to be just that. They said people would be put out of work, horses and hounds would have to be put down...etc Now they are saying it's the "biggest hunts, yet!" ,
What's is or isn't allowed doesn't come into it. They are 'accidently' still killing foxes and if you think otherwise you are wearing rose tinted glasses. They use a falcon to kill the fox and can you just imagine what that's like for the fox. Or they shoot them. And all this for fun. It certainly isn't about 'taking care of the countryside'. They love it, enjoy it, can't live without it and bring their children up to do exactly the same. Horrific.
If there is so much law breaking going on why are the courts not full of people being prosecuted?
Could the lack of evidence mean that the supposed law breaking isn't actually happening?
The so called "Hunt Monitors " who are armed with video cameras don't seem to have much luck in getting evidence of what is supposed to be happening in the open in full view of everyone.
[quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]broken6[/bold] wrote: For the last 10 years, it has only been trail hunting? No foxes are allowed to be chased/killed. If you have evidence to prove otherwise, plesae inform the authourities. So I'm not sure why you are all talking about foxes being ripped apart? For the record I am totally against fox hunting and all the BS they came out with at the start of the ban has been shown to be just that. They said people would be put out of work, horses and hounds would have to be put down...etc Now they are saying it's the "biggest hunts, yet!" ,[/p][/quote]What's is or isn't allowed doesn't come into it. They are 'accidently' still killing foxes and if you think otherwise you are wearing rose tinted glasses. They use a falcon to kill the fox and can you just imagine what that's like for the fox. Or they shoot them. And all this for fun. It certainly isn't about 'taking care of the countryside'. They love it, enjoy it, can't live without it and bring their children up to do exactly the same. Horrific.[/p][/quote]If there is so much law breaking going on why are the courts not full of people being prosecuted? Could the lack of evidence mean that the supposed law breaking isn't actually happening? The so called "Hunt Monitors " who are armed with video cameras don't seem to have much luck in getting evidence of what is supposed to be happening in the open in full view of everyone. New Kid on the Block

6:15pm Fri 27 Dec 13

lilboo says...

Dagnasty wrote:
lilboo wrote:
Well I look forward to encountering you next Boxing Day, unless your 'beliefs' don't stretch to you going out in the cold, wet, snow or any other weather of course! Feel free to call me scum to my face then.....
Any time any place. I'd gladly walk a 100 miles barefooted to call you scum straight to you're face.
Bring it on! I look forward to staring down at your cowardly masked face from my half ton, 16, 3 hands horse! He doesn't suffer fools gladly, like his very feisty female owner! In fact, why wait til Boxing Day, name your place, we will be waiting!
[quote][p][bold]Dagnasty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilboo[/bold] wrote: Well I look forward to encountering you next Boxing Day, unless your 'beliefs' don't stretch to you going out in the cold, wet, snow or any other weather of course! Feel free to call me scum to my face then.....[/p][/quote]Any time any place. I'd gladly walk a 100 miles barefooted to call you scum straight to you're face.[/p][/quote]Bring it on! I look forward to staring down at your cowardly masked face from my half ton, 16, 3 hands horse! He doesn't suffer fools gladly, like his very feisty female owner! In fact, why wait til Boxing Day, name your place, we will be waiting! lilboo

6:18pm Fri 27 Dec 13

lilboo says...

goodygoody wrote:
broken6 wrote:
For the last 10 years, it has only been trail hunting? No foxes are allowed to be chased/killed. If you have evidence to prove otherwise, plesae inform the authourities. So I'm not sure why you are all talking about foxes being ripped apart?

For the record I am totally against fox hunting and all the BS they came out with at the start of the ban has been shown to be just that. They said people would be put out of work, horses and hounds would have to be put down...etc Now they are saying it's the "biggest hunts, yet!" ,
What's is or isn't allowed doesn't come into it. They are 'accidently' still killing foxes and if you think otherwise you are wearing rose tinted glasses. They use a falcon to kill the fox and can you just imagine what that's like for the fox. Or they shoot them. And all this for fun. It certainly isn't about 'taking care of the countryside'. They love it, enjoy it, can't live without it and bring their children up to do exactly the same. Horrific.
No hunt my horse gas ridden with has a falcon if gun! Pure propaganda by the league against cruel sports! Evidence of this should be provided. Not one of you has addressed the damage to livestock owners caused by fixes, I suppose that doesn't worry you though, just throwing insults without foundation.
[quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]broken6[/bold] wrote: For the last 10 years, it has only been trail hunting? No foxes are allowed to be chased/killed. If you have evidence to prove otherwise, plesae inform the authourities. So I'm not sure why you are all talking about foxes being ripped apart? For the record I am totally against fox hunting and all the BS they came out with at the start of the ban has been shown to be just that. They said people would be put out of work, horses and hounds would have to be put down...etc Now they are saying it's the "biggest hunts, yet!" ,[/p][/quote]What's is or isn't allowed doesn't come into it. They are 'accidently' still killing foxes and if you think otherwise you are wearing rose tinted glasses. They use a falcon to kill the fox and can you just imagine what that's like for the fox. Or they shoot them. And all this for fun. It certainly isn't about 'taking care of the countryside'. They love it, enjoy it, can't live without it and bring their children up to do exactly the same. Horrific.[/p][/quote]No hunt my horse gas ridden with has a falcon if gun! Pure propaganda by the league against cruel sports! Evidence of this should be provided. Not one of you has addressed the damage to livestock owners caused by fixes, I suppose that doesn't worry you though, just throwing insults without foundation. lilboo

6:26pm Fri 27 Dec 13

pinkfluff says...

lilboo wrote:
Dagnasty wrote:
lilboo wrote:
Well I look forward to encountering you next Boxing Day, unless your 'beliefs' don't stretch to you going out in the cold, wet, snow or any other weather of course! Feel free to call me scum to my face then.....
Any time any place. I'd gladly walk a 100 miles barefooted to call you scum straight to you're face.
Bring it on! I look forward to staring down at your cowardly masked face from my half ton, 16, 3 hands horse! He doesn't suffer fools gladly, like his very feisty female owner! In fact, why wait til Boxing Day, name your place, we will be waiting!
......I have got to ask what is so brave at "staring down" on someone from horseback? Just curious.
[quote][p][bold]lilboo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dagnasty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilboo[/bold] wrote: Well I look forward to encountering you next Boxing Day, unless your 'beliefs' don't stretch to you going out in the cold, wet, snow or any other weather of course! Feel free to call me scum to my face then.....[/p][/quote]Any time any place. I'd gladly walk a 100 miles barefooted to call you scum straight to you're face.[/p][/quote]Bring it on! I look forward to staring down at your cowardly masked face from my half ton, 16, 3 hands horse! He doesn't suffer fools gladly, like his very feisty female owner! In fact, why wait til Boxing Day, name your place, we will be waiting![/p][/quote]......I have got to ask what is so brave at "staring down" on someone from horseback? Just curious. pinkfluff

6:27pm Fri 27 Dec 13

tub_thumper says...

This is getting silly now. Do we really have to resort to childish name calling? This is an adults debate forum; or have you forgotten that?

To be fair to Pinkfluff though, "scum" is quite a good word for people who want to rip apart an animal for fun. If another human kills his fellow man for fun then he is also scum. Actually, he is more commonly know as a murderer. Is that being judgemental? No! That's just how you refer to people who murder.

Unlike these people who stroll around the country that they apparently own - closing roads, trespassing, letting fierce dogs go out of control with no leads (all of which everyone else will probably face a nasty fine), they want to kill an animal for fun. So, instead of saying scum, I'll be more politically correct shall I? Murdering scum?

I know Pinkfluff started the ball rolling but she apologised and is entitled to her opinion. And then you get silly remarks from Nortynorse saying that "Pinkfluff" is a stupid name. Grow up! And even after she apologised, lilboo retaliates with threats for next Boxing Day. It goes to show he go is the better man...

Anyway, Nortynorse: Why is Pinkfluff a vegetarian? Bit judgemental perhaps? And why are you talking about third world countries? We're in England. We've moved on with the times... And who is uneducated? I suppose that's 80% of the entire population? That's a bold statement to make, lol!

And as I've said before. The "cuddly fox" and "vegetarian" propaganda is being used yet again. Excuse me if I'm wrong but when did the anti-hunt folk ever mention this?

New Kid: You're right. A huge crowd may turn up to hunt meets. But what percentage of the city/town is that then? I did some research. The largest ever UK meet population of Boxing Day 2006 was 320,000 people. Compare that to the current UK population that is less than 0.5% of people. This 0.5% of people that did turn up supported the hunt. That leaves 19.5% who are supposed to be against the ban or just really couldn't could care less. The other 80% of UK people ARE against the fox hunting! Deal with it!
This is getting silly now. Do we really have to resort to childish name calling? This is an adults debate forum; or have you forgotten that? To be fair to Pinkfluff though, "scum" is quite a good word for people who want to rip apart an animal for fun. If another human kills his fellow man for fun then he is also scum. Actually, he is more commonly know as a murderer. Is that being judgemental? No! That's just how you refer to people who murder. Unlike these people who stroll around the country that they apparently own - closing roads, trespassing, letting fierce dogs go out of control with no leads (all of which everyone else will probably face a nasty fine), they want to kill an animal for fun. So, instead of saying scum, I'll be more politically correct shall I? Murdering scum? I know Pinkfluff started the ball rolling but she apologised and is entitled to her opinion. And then you get silly remarks from Nortynorse saying that "Pinkfluff" is a stupid name. Grow up! And even after she apologised, lilboo retaliates with threats for next Boxing Day. It goes to show he go is the better man... Anyway, Nortynorse: Why is Pinkfluff a vegetarian? Bit judgemental perhaps? And why are you talking about third world countries? We're in England. We've moved on with the times... And who is uneducated? I suppose that's 80% of the entire population? That's a bold statement to make, lol! And as I've said before. The "cuddly fox" and "vegetarian" propaganda is being used yet again. Excuse me if I'm wrong but when did the anti-hunt folk ever mention this? New Kid: You're right. A huge crowd may turn up to hunt meets. But what percentage of the city/town is that then? I did some research. The largest ever UK meet population of Boxing Day 2006 was 320,000 people. Compare that to the current UK population that is less than 0.5% of people. This 0.5% of people that did turn up supported the hunt. That leaves 19.5% who are supposed to be against the ban or just really couldn't could care less. The other 80% of UK people ARE against the fox hunting! Deal with it! tub_thumper

6:29pm Fri 27 Dec 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

tub_thumper wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
I am horrified that this 'tradition' is still going on in the 21st century. Men on horseback, dogs and now a bird all out to terrify and kill one solitary animal that has no hope of escape. Anyone who supports this dreadful, so called, sport should be horsewhipped. Would these supporters like to see their pets killed in this way, and it's not quick even? And please don't bore me with "have you seen what a fox does if it gets in a chicken pen or catches a little lamb". I am ashamed to be a member of the human race. How can anyone cheer and shout when an animal of any sort is being (still) ripped apart. Whatever happened to compassion?
Never a true word spoken. The hunt brigade kill foxes in the name of conservation. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but how can you justify keeping animals numbers down in such a barbaric way? And for humans to get pleasure from it because it's considered a sport?

And you're right goodygoody: the excuse of foxes killing chickens and lambs is pathetic. Like I've said a hundred times before; secure your livestock properly and then the fox won't get it! And also, the excuse about foxes killing many chickens (for fun?!) and then only taking one; may I remind people that a fox will surplus kill. He will come bag later to collect the other chickens and then bury them for later use. But before Mr Fox gets chance to come back then human clears away the dead chickens.

Nortynorse and New Kid: you are both in the minority. judging by your down votes and the 39% of WN readers who think the rules on fox hunting should be tighter clear shows this. And before you blame the opinion polls for not showing the true views then would you argue against the 80% of the English population?

#justsaying
Better bone up on your maths - at least 51% disagree with you - it is you that is in the minority!
[quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: I am horrified that this 'tradition' is still going on in the 21st century. Men on horseback, dogs and now a bird all out to terrify and kill one solitary animal that has no hope of escape. Anyone who supports this dreadful, so called, sport should be horsewhipped. Would these supporters like to see their pets killed in this way, and it's not quick even? And please don't bore me with "have you seen what a fox does if it gets in a chicken pen or catches a little lamb". I am ashamed to be a member of the human race. How can anyone cheer and shout when an animal of any sort is being (still) ripped apart. Whatever happened to compassion?[/p][/quote]Never a true word spoken. The hunt brigade kill foxes in the name of conservation. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but how can you justify keeping animals numbers down in such a barbaric way? And for humans to get pleasure from it because it's considered a sport? And you're right goodygoody: the excuse of foxes killing chickens and lambs is pathetic. Like I've said a hundred times before; secure your livestock properly and then the fox won't get it! And also, the excuse about foxes killing many chickens (for fun?!) and then only taking one; may I remind people that a fox will surplus kill. He will come bag later to collect the other chickens and then bury them for later use. But before Mr Fox gets chance to come back then human clears away the dead chickens. Nortynorse and New Kid: you are both in the minority. judging by your down votes and the 39% of WN readers who think the rules on fox hunting should be tighter clear shows this. And before you blame the opinion polls for not showing the true views then would you argue against the 80% of the English population? #justsaying[/p][/quote]Better bone up on your maths - at least 51% disagree with you - it is you that is in the minority! imustbeoldiwearacap

6:32pm Fri 27 Dec 13

pinkfluff says...

lilboo wrote:
Well I look forward to encountering you next Boxing Day, unless your 'beliefs' don't stretch to you going out in the cold, wet, snow or any other weather of course! Feel free to call me scum to my face then.....
Why? What are you going to do?
[quote][p][bold]lilboo[/bold] wrote: Well I look forward to encountering you next Boxing Day, unless your 'beliefs' don't stretch to you going out in the cold, wet, snow or any other weather of course! Feel free to call me scum to my face then.....[/p][/quote]Why? What are you going to do? pinkfluff

6:34pm Fri 27 Dec 13

pinkfluff says...

New Kid on the Block wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
broken6 wrote:
For the last 10 years, it has only been trail hunting? No foxes are allowed to be chased/killed. If you have evidence to prove otherwise, plesae inform the authourities. So I'm not sure why you are all talking about foxes being ripped apart?

For the record I am totally against fox hunting and all the BS they came out with at the start of the ban has been shown to be just that. They said people would be put out of work, horses and hounds would have to be put down...etc Now they are saying it's the "biggest hunts, yet!" ,
What's is or isn't allowed doesn't come into it. They are 'accidently' still killing foxes and if you think otherwise you are wearing rose tinted glasses. They use a falcon to kill the fox and can you just imagine what that's like for the fox. Or they shoot them. And all this for fun. It certainly isn't about 'taking care of the countryside'. They love it, enjoy it, can't live without it and bring their children up to do exactly the same. Horrific.
If there is so much law breaking going on why are the courts not full of people being prosecuted?
Could the lack of evidence mean that the supposed law breaking isn't actually happening?
The so called "Hunt Monitors " who are armed with video cameras don't seem to have much luck in getting evidence of what is supposed to be happening in the open in full view of everyone.
I could respond but there is little point as the comment would be removed in a heartbeat, just like this thread will soon be removed.
[quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]broken6[/bold] wrote: For the last 10 years, it has only been trail hunting? No foxes are allowed to be chased/killed. If you have evidence to prove otherwise, plesae inform the authourities. So I'm not sure why you are all talking about foxes being ripped apart? For the record I am totally against fox hunting and all the BS they came out with at the start of the ban has been shown to be just that. They said people would be put out of work, horses and hounds would have to be put down...etc Now they are saying it's the "biggest hunts, yet!" ,[/p][/quote]What's is or isn't allowed doesn't come into it. They are 'accidently' still killing foxes and if you think otherwise you are wearing rose tinted glasses. They use a falcon to kill the fox and can you just imagine what that's like for the fox. Or they shoot them. And all this for fun. It certainly isn't about 'taking care of the countryside'. They love it, enjoy it, can't live without it and bring their children up to do exactly the same. Horrific.[/p][/quote]If there is so much law breaking going on why are the courts not full of people being prosecuted? Could the lack of evidence mean that the supposed law breaking isn't actually happening? The so called "Hunt Monitors " who are armed with video cameras don't seem to have much luck in getting evidence of what is supposed to be happening in the open in full view of everyone.[/p][/quote]I could respond but there is little point as the comment would be removed in a heartbeat, just like this thread will soon be removed. pinkfluff

6:35pm Fri 27 Dec 13

tub_thumper says...

And after a gruelling start against the hunt brigade (and pure proof by the dramatic down votes of disapproval) they now bring it up the rear as a true force not to be reckoned with - threats from sitting on a horse?! How brave!

Also, I think lilboo has gone a bit autocorrect-trigger-
happy with her spelling. Sort it out love - I can't understand yer!
And after a gruelling start against the hunt brigade (and pure proof by the dramatic down votes of disapproval) they now bring it up the rear as a true force not to be reckoned with - threats from sitting on a horse?! How brave! Also, I think lilboo has gone a bit autocorrect-trigger- happy with her spelling. Sort it out love - I can't understand yer! tub_thumper

6:37pm Fri 27 Dec 13

lilboo says...

Lol lol lol!
Lol lol lol! lilboo

6:39pm Fri 27 Dec 13

tub_thumper says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
I am horrified that this 'tradition' is still going on in the 21st century. Men on horseback, dogs and now a bird all out to terrify and kill one solitary animal that has no hope of escape. Anyone who supports this dreadful, so called, sport should be horsewhipped. Would these supporters like to see their pets killed in this way, and it's not quick even? And please don't bore me with "have you seen what a fox does if it gets in a chicken pen or catches a little lamb". I am ashamed to be a member of the human race. How can anyone cheer and shout when an animal of any sort is being (still) ripped apart. Whatever happened to compassion?
Never a true word spoken. The hunt brigade kill foxes in the name of conservation. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but how can you justify keeping animals numbers down in such a barbaric way? And for humans to get pleasure from it because it's considered a sport?

And you're right goodygoody: the excuse of foxes killing chickens and lambs is pathetic. Like I've said a hundred times before; secure your livestock properly and then the fox won't get it! And also, the excuse about foxes killing many chickens (for fun?!) and then only taking one; may I remind people that a fox will surplus kill. He will come bag later to collect the other chickens and then bury them for later use. But before Mr Fox gets chance to come back then human clears away the dead chickens.

Nortynorse and New Kid: you are both in the minority. judging by your down votes and the 39% of WN readers who think the rules on fox hunting should be tighter clear shows this. And before you blame the opinion polls for not showing the true views then would you argue against the 80% of the English population?

#justsaying
Better bone up on your maths - at least 51% disagree with you - it is you that is in the minority!
You do realise the percentage changes by the second... And this is based on a poll from a local newspaper. What about the 80% of people against it nationally then? Think you need to bone up on the maths, innit?
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: I am horrified that this 'tradition' is still going on in the 21st century. Men on horseback, dogs and now a bird all out to terrify and kill one solitary animal that has no hope of escape. Anyone who supports this dreadful, so called, sport should be horsewhipped. Would these supporters like to see their pets killed in this way, and it's not quick even? And please don't bore me with "have you seen what a fox does if it gets in a chicken pen or catches a little lamb". I am ashamed to be a member of the human race. How can anyone cheer and shout when an animal of any sort is being (still) ripped apart. Whatever happened to compassion?[/p][/quote]Never a true word spoken. The hunt brigade kill foxes in the name of conservation. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but how can you justify keeping animals numbers down in such a barbaric way? And for humans to get pleasure from it because it's considered a sport? And you're right goodygoody: the excuse of foxes killing chickens and lambs is pathetic. Like I've said a hundred times before; secure your livestock properly and then the fox won't get it! And also, the excuse about foxes killing many chickens (for fun?!) and then only taking one; may I remind people that a fox will surplus kill. He will come bag later to collect the other chickens and then bury them for later use. But before Mr Fox gets chance to come back then human clears away the dead chickens. Nortynorse and New Kid: you are both in the minority. judging by your down votes and the 39% of WN readers who think the rules on fox hunting should be tighter clear shows this. And before you blame the opinion polls for not showing the true views then would you argue against the 80% of the English population? #justsaying[/p][/quote]Better bone up on your maths - at least 51% disagree with you - it is you that is in the minority![/p][/quote]You do realise the percentage changes by the second... And this is based on a poll from a local newspaper. What about the 80% of people against it nationally then? Think you need to bone up on the maths, innit? tub_thumper

6:39pm Fri 27 Dec 13

pinkfluff says...

tub_thumper wrote:
And after a gruelling start against the hunt brigade (and pure proof by the dramatic down votes of disapproval) they now bring it up the rear as a true force not to be reckoned with - threats from sitting on a horse?! How brave!

Also, I think lilboo has gone a bit autocorrect-trigger-

happy with her spelling. Sort it out love - I can't understand yer!
It was only a matter of time tub. How you treat other's including animals says a lot about one's character imo.
[quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: And after a gruelling start against the hunt brigade (and pure proof by the dramatic down votes of disapproval) they now bring it up the rear as a true force not to be reckoned with - threats from sitting on a horse?! How brave! Also, I think lilboo has gone a bit autocorrect-trigger- happy with her spelling. Sort it out love - I can't understand yer![/p][/quote]It was only a matter of time tub. How you treat other's including animals says a lot about one's character imo. pinkfluff

6:44pm Fri 27 Dec 13

New Kid on the Block says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
I am horrified that this 'tradition' is still going on in the 21st century. Men on horseback, dogs and now a bird all out to terrify and kill one solitary animal that has no hope of escape. Anyone who supports this dreadful, so called, sport should be horsewhipped. Would these supporters like to see their pets killed in this way, and it's not quick even? And please don't bore me with "have you seen what a fox does if it gets in a chicken pen or catches a little lamb". I am ashamed to be a member of the human race. How can anyone cheer and shout when an animal of any sort is being (still) ripped apart. Whatever happened to compassion?
Never a true word spoken. The hunt brigade kill foxes in the name of conservation. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but how can you justify keeping animals numbers down in such a barbaric way? And for humans to get pleasure from it because it's considered a sport?

And you're right goodygoody: the excuse of foxes killing chickens and lambs is pathetic. Like I've said a hundred times before; secure your livestock properly and then the fox won't get it! And also, the excuse about foxes killing many chickens (for fun?!) and then only taking one; may I remind people that a fox will surplus kill. He will come bag later to collect the other chickens and then bury them for later use. But before Mr Fox gets chance to come back then human clears away the dead chickens.

Nortynorse and New Kid: you are both in the minority. judging by your down votes and the 39% of WN readers who think the rules on fox hunting should be tighter clear shows this. And before you blame the opinion polls for not showing the true views then would you argue against the 80% of the English population?

#justsaying
Better bone up on your maths - at least 51% disagree with you - it is you that is in the minority!
Opinion Polls are notorious for getting things wrong. Just look at the polls around the time of every general election there are always lots of polls with lots of different results.
The 80% figure quoted by tub-thumper came from a poll carried out on behalf of an animal rights group. It was also almost certainly carried out by a Company headed by a gentleman who is known to support animal rights. So it is hardly surprising that they make the spurious claim for 80% support.
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: I am horrified that this 'tradition' is still going on in the 21st century. Men on horseback, dogs and now a bird all out to terrify and kill one solitary animal that has no hope of escape. Anyone who supports this dreadful, so called, sport should be horsewhipped. Would these supporters like to see their pets killed in this way, and it's not quick even? And please don't bore me with "have you seen what a fox does if it gets in a chicken pen or catches a little lamb". I am ashamed to be a member of the human race. How can anyone cheer and shout when an animal of any sort is being (still) ripped apart. Whatever happened to compassion?[/p][/quote]Never a true word spoken. The hunt brigade kill foxes in the name of conservation. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but how can you justify keeping animals numbers down in such a barbaric way? And for humans to get pleasure from it because it's considered a sport? And you're right goodygoody: the excuse of foxes killing chickens and lambs is pathetic. Like I've said a hundred times before; secure your livestock properly and then the fox won't get it! And also, the excuse about foxes killing many chickens (for fun?!) and then only taking one; may I remind people that a fox will surplus kill. He will come bag later to collect the other chickens and then bury them for later use. But before Mr Fox gets chance to come back then human clears away the dead chickens. Nortynorse and New Kid: you are both in the minority. judging by your down votes and the 39% of WN readers who think the rules on fox hunting should be tighter clear shows this. And before you blame the opinion polls for not showing the true views then would you argue against the 80% of the English population? #justsaying[/p][/quote]Better bone up on your maths - at least 51% disagree with you - it is you that is in the minority![/p][/quote]Opinion Polls are notorious for getting things wrong. Just look at the polls around the time of every general election there are always lots of polls with lots of different results. The 80% figure quoted by tub-thumper came from a poll carried out on behalf of an animal rights group. It was also almost certainly carried out by a Company headed by a gentleman who is known to support animal rights. So it is hardly surprising that they make the spurious claim for 80% support. New Kid on the Block

7:05pm Fri 27 Dec 13

lilboo says...

pinkfluff wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
And after a gruelling start against the hunt brigade (and pure proof by the dramatic down votes of disapproval) they now bring it up the rear as a true force not to be reckoned with - threats from sitting on a horse?! How brave!

Also, I think lilboo has gone a bit autocorrect-trigger-


happy with her spelling. Sort it out love - I can't understand yer!
It was only a matter of time tub. How you treat other's including animals says a lot about one's character imo.
Oh how mature, I do admire someone of such high intellect (cough)!
[quote][p][bold]pinkfluff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: And after a gruelling start against the hunt brigade (and pure proof by the dramatic down votes of disapproval) they now bring it up the rear as a true force not to be reckoned with - threats from sitting on a horse?! How brave! Also, I think lilboo has gone a bit autocorrect-trigger- happy with her spelling. Sort it out love - I can't understand yer![/p][/quote]It was only a matter of time tub. How you treat other's including animals says a lot about one's character imo.[/p][/quote]Oh how mature, I do admire someone of such high intellect (cough)! lilboo

7:07pm Fri 27 Dec 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

tub_thumper wrote:
imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
I am horrified that this 'tradition' is still going on in the 21st century. Men on horseback, dogs and now a bird all out to terrify and kill one solitary animal that has no hope of escape. Anyone who supports this dreadful, so called, sport should be horsewhipped. Would these supporters like to see their pets killed in this way, and it's not quick even? And please don't bore me with "have you seen what a fox does if it gets in a chicken pen or catches a little lamb". I am ashamed to be a member of the human race. How can anyone cheer and shout when an animal of any sort is being (still) ripped apart. Whatever happened to compassion?
Never a true word spoken. The hunt brigade kill foxes in the name of conservation. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but how can you justify keeping animals numbers down in such a barbaric way? And for humans to get pleasure from it because it's considered a sport?

And you're right goodygoody: the excuse of foxes killing chickens and lambs is pathetic. Like I've said a hundred times before; secure your livestock properly and then the fox won't get it! And also, the excuse about foxes killing many chickens (for fun?!) and then only taking one; may I remind people that a fox will surplus kill. He will come bag later to collect the other chickens and then bury them for later use. But before Mr Fox gets chance to come back then human clears away the dead chickens.

Nortynorse and New Kid: you are both in the minority. judging by your down votes and the 39% of WN readers who think the rules on fox hunting should be tighter clear shows this. And before you blame the opinion polls for not showing the true views then would you argue against the 80% of the English population?

#justsaying
Better bone up on your maths - at least 51% disagree with you - it is you that is in the minority!
You do realise the percentage changes by the second... And this is based on a poll from a local newspaper. What about the 80% of people against it nationally then? Think you need to bone up on the maths, innit?
But you were quite happy to quote the WN poll when it suited you! #just saying
[quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: I am horrified that this 'tradition' is still going on in the 21st century. Men on horseback, dogs and now a bird all out to terrify and kill one solitary animal that has no hope of escape. Anyone who supports this dreadful, so called, sport should be horsewhipped. Would these supporters like to see their pets killed in this way, and it's not quick even? And please don't bore me with "have you seen what a fox does if it gets in a chicken pen or catches a little lamb". I am ashamed to be a member of the human race. How can anyone cheer and shout when an animal of any sort is being (still) ripped apart. Whatever happened to compassion?[/p][/quote]Never a true word spoken. The hunt brigade kill foxes in the name of conservation. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but how can you justify keeping animals numbers down in such a barbaric way? And for humans to get pleasure from it because it's considered a sport? And you're right goodygoody: the excuse of foxes killing chickens and lambs is pathetic. Like I've said a hundred times before; secure your livestock properly and then the fox won't get it! And also, the excuse about foxes killing many chickens (for fun?!) and then only taking one; may I remind people that a fox will surplus kill. He will come bag later to collect the other chickens and then bury them for later use. But before Mr Fox gets chance to come back then human clears away the dead chickens. Nortynorse and New Kid: you are both in the minority. judging by your down votes and the 39% of WN readers who think the rules on fox hunting should be tighter clear shows this. And before you blame the opinion polls for not showing the true views then would you argue against the 80% of the English population? #justsaying[/p][/quote]Better bone up on your maths - at least 51% disagree with you - it is you that is in the minority![/p][/quote]You do realise the percentage changes by the second... And this is based on a poll from a local newspaper. What about the 80% of people against it nationally then? Think you need to bone up on the maths, innit?[/p][/quote]But you were quite happy to quote the WN poll when it suited you! #just saying imustbeoldiwearacap

7:09pm Fri 27 Dec 13

lilboo says...

Thanks for 'entertainment' guys! See you next 'meet' I'm sure lol! Hahaha :)
Thanks for 'entertainment' guys! See you next 'meet' I'm sure lol! Hahaha :) lilboo

7:13pm Fri 27 Dec 13

tub_thumper says...

lilboo wrote:
pinkfluff wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
And after a gruelling start against the hunt brigade (and pure proof by the dramatic down votes of disapproval) they now bring it up the rear as a true force not to be reckoned with - threats from sitting on a horse?! How brave!

Also, I think lilboo has gone a bit autocorrect-trigger-



happy with her spelling. Sort it out love - I can't understand yer!
It was only a matter of time tub. How you treat other's including animals says a lot about one's character imo.
Oh how mature, I do admire someone of such high intellect (cough)!
Eh? I was asking you to sort out your spelling - which was misplaced because of your autocorrect function on your smart device. My comment had nothing to do with judging your intellectual ability; which is ashame. If you read my comment properly then you should have realised that. Your immediate retaliation clearly shows how small minded you actually are.
[quote][p][bold]lilboo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pinkfluff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: And after a gruelling start against the hunt brigade (and pure proof by the dramatic down votes of disapproval) they now bring it up the rear as a true force not to be reckoned with - threats from sitting on a horse?! How brave! Also, I think lilboo has gone a bit autocorrect-trigger- happy with her spelling. Sort it out love - I can't understand yer![/p][/quote]It was only a matter of time tub. How you treat other's including animals says a lot about one's character imo.[/p][/quote]Oh how mature, I do admire someone of such high intellect (cough)![/p][/quote]Eh? I was asking you to sort out your spelling - which was misplaced because of your autocorrect function on your smart device. My comment had nothing to do with judging your intellectual ability; which is ashame. If you read my comment properly then you should have realised that. Your immediate retaliation clearly shows how small minded you actually are. tub_thumper

7:15pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Dagnasty says...

lilboo wrote:
Dagnasty wrote:
lilboo wrote:
Well I look forward to encountering you next Boxing Day, unless your 'beliefs' don't stretch to you going out in the cold, wet, snow or any other weather of course! Feel free to call me scum to my face then.....
Any time any place. I'd gladly walk a 100 miles barefooted to call you scum straight to you're face.
Bring it on! I look forward to staring down at your cowardly masked face from my half ton, 16, 3 hands horse! He doesn't suffer fools gladly, like his very feisty female owner! In fact, why wait til Boxing Day, name your place, we will be waiting!
Why on earth would I be masked?
[quote][p][bold]lilboo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dagnasty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilboo[/bold] wrote: Well I look forward to encountering you next Boxing Day, unless your 'beliefs' don't stretch to you going out in the cold, wet, snow or any other weather of course! Feel free to call me scum to my face then.....[/p][/quote]Any time any place. I'd gladly walk a 100 miles barefooted to call you scum straight to you're face.[/p][/quote]Bring it on! I look forward to staring down at your cowardly masked face from my half ton, 16, 3 hands horse! He doesn't suffer fools gladly, like his very feisty female owner! In fact, why wait til Boxing Day, name your place, we will be waiting![/p][/quote]Why on earth would I be masked? Dagnasty

7:17pm Fri 27 Dec 13

lilboo says...

tub_thumper wrote:
lilboo wrote:
pinkfluff wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
And after a gruelling start against the hunt brigade (and pure proof by the dramatic down votes of disapproval) they now bring it up the rear as a true force not to be reckoned with - threats from sitting on a horse?! How brave!

Also, I think lilboo has gone a bit autocorrect-trigger-




happy with her spelling. Sort it out love - I can't understand yer!
It was only a matter of time tub. How you treat other's including animals says a lot about one's character imo.
Oh how mature, I do admire someone of such high intellect (cough)!
Eh? I was asking you to sort out your spelling - which was misplaced because of your autocorrect function on your smart device. My comment had nothing to do with judging your intellectual ability; which is ashame. If you read my comment properly then you should have realised that. Your immediate retaliation clearly shows how small minded you actually are.
Bored now ..... Yawn
[quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lilboo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pinkfluff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: And after a gruelling start against the hunt brigade (and pure proof by the dramatic down votes of disapproval) they now bring it up the rear as a true force not to be reckoned with - threats from sitting on a horse?! How brave! Also, I think lilboo has gone a bit autocorrect-trigger- happy with her spelling. Sort it out love - I can't understand yer![/p][/quote]It was only a matter of time tub. How you treat other's including animals says a lot about one's character imo.[/p][/quote]Oh how mature, I do admire someone of such high intellect (cough)![/p][/quote]Eh? I was asking you to sort out your spelling - which was misplaced because of your autocorrect function on your smart device. My comment had nothing to do with judging your intellectual ability; which is ashame. If you read my comment properly then you should have realised that. Your immediate retaliation clearly shows how small minded you actually are.[/p][/quote]Bored now ..... Yawn lilboo

10:48pm Fri 27 Dec 13

pinkfluff says...

New Kid on the Block wrote:
imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
I am horrified that this 'tradition' is still going on in the 21st century. Men on horseback, dogs and now a bird all out to terrify and kill one solitary animal that has no hope of escape. Anyone who supports this dreadful, so called, sport should be horsewhipped. Would these supporters like to see their pets killed in this way, and it's not quick even? And please don't bore me with "have you seen what a fox does if it gets in a chicken pen or catches a little lamb". I am ashamed to be a member of the human race. How can anyone cheer and shout when an animal of any sort is being (still) ripped apart. Whatever happened to compassion?
Never a true word spoken. The hunt brigade kill foxes in the name of conservation. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but how can you justify keeping animals numbers down in such a barbaric way? And for humans to get pleasure from it because it's considered a sport?

And you're right goodygoody: the excuse of foxes killing chickens and lambs is pathetic. Like I've said a hundred times before; secure your livestock properly and then the fox won't get it! And also, the excuse about foxes killing many chickens (for fun?!) and then only taking one; may I remind people that a fox will surplus kill. He will come bag later to collect the other chickens and then bury them for later use. But before Mr Fox gets chance to come back then human clears away the dead chickens.

Nortynorse and New Kid: you are both in the minority. judging by your down votes and the 39% of WN readers who think the rules on fox hunting should be tighter clear shows this. And before you blame the opinion polls for not showing the true views then would you argue against the 80% of the English population?

#justsaying
Better bone up on your maths - at least 51% disagree with you - it is you that is in the minority!
Opinion Polls are notorious for getting things wrong. Just look at the polls around the time of every general election there are always lots of polls with lots of different results.
The 80% figure quoted by tub-thumper came from a poll carried out on behalf of an animal rights group. It was also almost certainly carried out by a Company headed by a gentleman who is known to support animal rights. So it is hardly surprising that they make the spurious claim for 80% support.
That's a bit rich coming from someone who like to trawl out stats and research when it suits them lol, even when the research is a little bit flaky.

I have opinions based on my life experiences and all that blah blah. Stats and data can be manipulated. As much as I like to disagree with you from time to time I do love your comments :-)
[quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: I am horrified that this 'tradition' is still going on in the 21st century. Men on horseback, dogs and now a bird all out to terrify and kill one solitary animal that has no hope of escape. Anyone who supports this dreadful, so called, sport should be horsewhipped. Would these supporters like to see their pets killed in this way, and it's not quick even? And please don't bore me with "have you seen what a fox does if it gets in a chicken pen or catches a little lamb". I am ashamed to be a member of the human race. How can anyone cheer and shout when an animal of any sort is being (still) ripped apart. Whatever happened to compassion?[/p][/quote]Never a true word spoken. The hunt brigade kill foxes in the name of conservation. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but how can you justify keeping animals numbers down in such a barbaric way? And for humans to get pleasure from it because it's considered a sport? And you're right goodygoody: the excuse of foxes killing chickens and lambs is pathetic. Like I've said a hundred times before; secure your livestock properly and then the fox won't get it! And also, the excuse about foxes killing many chickens (for fun?!) and then only taking one; may I remind people that a fox will surplus kill. He will come bag later to collect the other chickens and then bury them for later use. But before Mr Fox gets chance to come back then human clears away the dead chickens. Nortynorse and New Kid: you are both in the minority. judging by your down votes and the 39% of WN readers who think the rules on fox hunting should be tighter clear shows this. And before you blame the opinion polls for not showing the true views then would you argue against the 80% of the English population? #justsaying[/p][/quote]Better bone up on your maths - at least 51% disagree with you - it is you that is in the minority![/p][/quote]Opinion Polls are notorious for getting things wrong. Just look at the polls around the time of every general election there are always lots of polls with lots of different results. The 80% figure quoted by tub-thumper came from a poll carried out on behalf of an animal rights group. It was also almost certainly carried out by a Company headed by a gentleman who is known to support animal rights. So it is hardly surprising that they make the spurious claim for 80% support.[/p][/quote]That's a bit rich coming from someone who like to trawl out stats and research when it suits them lol, even when the research is a little bit flaky. I have opinions based on my life experiences and all that blah blah. Stats and data can be manipulated. As much as I like to disagree with you from time to time I do love your comments :-) pinkfluff

12:30am Sat 28 Dec 13

nicki1967 says...

Some of the comments on here are absolutely ridiculous. How on earth can anyone justify such a barbaric 'sport'. A sport is where both sides have a fair advantage. There is no advantage to the fox is there, hence it is murder pure and simple. Unfortunately these so-called human beings that participate in fox-hunting seem to believe that they are so much better than the rest of it who abhor it. Well, let me tell you something...you most certainly are not. And, yes, you are the scum of the earth. Murderous scum. In fact, in my opinion, anyone who participates or supports any sort of hunting/killing animals for fun are murderous scum and if ever I come face to face with any of you I shall have no problem with making my feelings perfectly clear.
Some of the comments on here are absolutely ridiculous. How on earth can anyone justify such a barbaric 'sport'. A sport is where both sides have a fair advantage. There is no advantage to the fox is there, hence it is murder pure and simple. Unfortunately these so-called human beings that participate in fox-hunting seem to believe that they are so much better than the rest of it who abhor it. Well, let me tell you something...you most certainly are not. And, yes, you are the scum of the earth. Murderous scum. In fact, in my opinion, anyone who participates or supports any sort of hunting/killing animals for fun are murderous scum and if ever I come face to face with any of you I shall have no problem with making my feelings perfectly clear. nicki1967

9:00am Sat 28 Dec 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

nicki1967 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are absolutely ridiculous. How on earth can anyone justify such a barbaric 'sport'. A sport is where both sides have a fair advantage. There is no advantage to the fox is there, hence it is murder pure and simple. Unfortunately these so-called human beings that participate in fox-hunting seem to believe that they are so much better than the rest of it who abhor it. Well, let me tell you something...you most certainly are not. And, yes, you are the scum of the earth. Murderous scum. In fact, in my opinion, anyone who participates or supports any sort of hunting/killing animals for fun are murderous scum and if ever I come face to face with any of you I shall have no problem with making my feelings perfectly clear.
Then, taking your argument further, the taking of any animals life is murder? So all non-vegans are "murderous scum" (if you eat meat you must support!). I know you qualified your original statement with the words "for fun" - but meat eating has long passed the basic need for food - just look at all the cookery programmes and books - we now cook and eat for fun! My own opinion of fox-hunting is best summarised by Wilde - but then I'm a townie with no real idea of living and working in the countryside, so who am I to judge something I know little about?
[quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on here are absolutely ridiculous. How on earth can anyone justify such a barbaric 'sport'. A sport is where both sides have a fair advantage. There is no advantage to the fox is there, hence it is murder pure and simple. Unfortunately these so-called human beings that participate in fox-hunting seem to believe that they are so much better than the rest of it who abhor it. Well, let me tell you something...you most certainly are not. And, yes, you are the scum of the earth. Murderous scum. In fact, in my opinion, anyone who participates or supports any sort of hunting/killing animals for fun are murderous scum and if ever I come face to face with any of you I shall have no problem with making my feelings perfectly clear.[/p][/quote]Then, taking your argument further, the taking of any animals life is murder? So all non-vegans are "murderous scum" (if you eat meat you must support!). I know you qualified your original statement with the words "for fun" - but meat eating has long passed the basic need for food - just look at all the cookery programmes and books - we now cook and eat for fun! My own opinion of fox-hunting is best summarised by Wilde - but then I'm a townie with no real idea of living and working in the countryside, so who am I to judge something I know little about? imustbeoldiwearacap

9:41am Sat 28 Dec 13

it700x says...

This is what happens after hundreds of years of inbreeding
This is what happens after hundreds of years of inbreeding it700x

10:30am Sat 28 Dec 13

tub_thumper says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are absolutely ridiculous. How on earth can anyone justify such a barbaric 'sport'. A sport is where both sides have a fair advantage. There is no advantage to the fox is there, hence it is murder pure and simple. Unfortunately these so-called human beings that participate in fox-hunting seem to believe that they are so much better than the rest of it who abhor it. Well, let me tell you something...you most certainly are not. And, yes, you are the scum of the earth. Murderous scum. In fact, in my opinion, anyone who participates or supports any sort of hunting/killing animals for fun are murderous scum and if ever I come face to face with any of you I shall have no problem with making my feelings perfectly clear.
Then, taking your argument further, the taking of any animals life is murder? So all non-vegans are "murderous scum" (if you eat meat you must support!). I know you qualified your original statement with the words "for fun" - but meat eating has long passed the basic need for food - just look at all the cookery programmes and books - we now cook and eat for fun! My own opinion of fox-hunting is best summarised by Wilde - but then I'm a townie with no real idea of living and working in the countryside, so who am I to judge something I know little about?
The "Country Vs Townie" argument is irrelevant. I don't know much about molesting children but I think I have a strong enough attitude against those who do it. And just because I don't know what makes their sick minds tick it definetly dosent allow me to want to try it to "see if it's fun"...

There are a lot of immoral things that happen in life which I and others consider to be bad; and blood sports is one of them.

In psychology, children as young as two years old find some pleasure in stamping on ants or pulling off the legs of spiders. This is just a learning curve for the human mind to figure out mortality and the immorals of taking another life. This should really stop by the age of five; but how far could this go? Scared children carry on with this behaviour. Some sick children/adolescents find pleasure in putting a live hamster in a microwave and watch it cook to death! Is this considered to be correct behaviour? Would YOU condone you kids doing this?! Think about it...

And as for cooking and eating animals "for fun"; since when did you (or anyone else for that matter) eat fox meat?

Eating meat and animal cruelty are two totally different things! Meat is humanely killed to feed human life whilst recreational sports torture an animal for fun. I can't see abattoir workers stunning and killing animals for fun no more than an funeral parlour employee enjoys making-up a dead persons body for fun...

And before someone replies with "how can you compare an animal life to a human life?" then I pity you...
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on here are absolutely ridiculous. How on earth can anyone justify such a barbaric 'sport'. A sport is where both sides have a fair advantage. There is no advantage to the fox is there, hence it is murder pure and simple. Unfortunately these so-called human beings that participate in fox-hunting seem to believe that they are so much better than the rest of it who abhor it. Well, let me tell you something...you most certainly are not. And, yes, you are the scum of the earth. Murderous scum. In fact, in my opinion, anyone who participates or supports any sort of hunting/killing animals for fun are murderous scum and if ever I come face to face with any of you I shall have no problem with making my feelings perfectly clear.[/p][/quote]Then, taking your argument further, the taking of any animals life is murder? So all non-vegans are "murderous scum" (if you eat meat you must support!). I know you qualified your original statement with the words "for fun" - but meat eating has long passed the basic need for food - just look at all the cookery programmes and books - we now cook and eat for fun! My own opinion of fox-hunting is best summarised by Wilde - but then I'm a townie with no real idea of living and working in the countryside, so who am I to judge something I know little about?[/p][/quote]The "Country Vs Townie" argument is irrelevant. I don't know much about molesting children but I think I have a strong enough attitude against those who do it. And just because I don't know what makes their sick minds tick it definetly dosent allow me to want to try it to "see if it's fun"... There are a lot of immoral things that happen in life which I and others consider to be bad; and blood sports is one of them. In psychology, children as young as two years old find some pleasure in stamping on ants or pulling off the legs of spiders. This is just a learning curve for the human mind to figure out mortality and the immorals of taking another life. This should really stop by the age of five; but how far could this go? Scared children carry on with this behaviour. Some sick children/adolescents find pleasure in putting a live hamster in a microwave and watch it cook to death! Is this considered to be correct behaviour? Would YOU condone you kids doing this?! Think about it... And as for cooking and eating animals "for fun"; since when did you (or anyone else for that matter) eat fox meat? Eating meat and animal cruelty are two totally different things! Meat is humanely killed to feed human life whilst recreational sports torture an animal for fun. I can't see abattoir workers stunning and killing animals for fun no more than an funeral parlour employee enjoys making-up a dead persons body for fun... And before someone replies with "how can you compare an animal life to a human life?" then I pity you... tub_thumper

11:31am Sat 28 Dec 13

nicki1967 says...

@imustbeoldiwearacap
: I, too, am a 'townie' but what that has to do with any of this is irrelevant. I am a vegan but that does not mean that I go around preaching to those who wish to eat meat. I have cats and they need meat in their diets otherwise they would die, so I feed it to them. Human beings do not need meat to survive but that's another story.
@tub_thumper: Well said. To compare torturing/hunting animals with wanting to eat them for food is ridiculous. Animal cruelty is as bad as cruelty to humans.
@imustbeoldiwearacap : I, too, am a 'townie' but what that has to do with any of this is irrelevant. I am a vegan but that does not mean that I go around preaching to those who wish to eat meat. I have cats and they need meat in their diets otherwise they would die, so I feed it to them. Human beings do not need meat to survive but that's another story. @tub_thumper: Well said. To compare torturing/hunting animals with wanting to eat them for food is ridiculous. Animal cruelty is as bad as cruelty to humans. nicki1967

12:08pm Sat 28 Dec 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

tub_thumper wrote:
imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are absolutely ridiculous. How on earth can anyone justify such a barbaric 'sport'. A sport is where both sides have a fair advantage. There is no advantage to the fox is there, hence it is murder pure and simple. Unfortunately these so-called human beings that participate in fox-hunting seem to believe that they are so much better than the rest of it who abhor it. Well, let me tell you something...you most certainly are not. And, yes, you are the scum of the earth. Murderous scum. In fact, in my opinion, anyone who participates or supports any sort of hunting/killing animals for fun are murderous scum and if ever I come face to face with any of you I shall have no problem with making my feelings perfectly clear.
Then, taking your argument further, the taking of any animals life is murder? So all non-vegans are "murderous scum" (if you eat meat you must support!). I know you qualified your original statement with the words "for fun" - but meat eating has long passed the basic need for food - just look at all the cookery programmes and books - we now cook and eat for fun! My own opinion of fox-hunting is best summarised by Wilde - but then I'm a townie with no real idea of living and working in the countryside, so who am I to judge something I know little about?
The "Country Vs Townie" argument is irrelevant. I don't know much about molesting children but I think I have a strong enough attitude against those who do it. And just because I don't know what makes their sick minds tick it definetly dosent allow me to want to try it to "see if it's fun"...

There are a lot of immoral things that happen in life which I and others consider to be bad; and blood sports is one of them.

In psychology, children as young as two years old find some pleasure in stamping on ants or pulling off the legs of spiders. This is just a learning curve for the human mind to figure out mortality and the immorals of taking another life. This should really stop by the age of five; but how far could this go? Scared children carry on with this behaviour. Some sick children/adolescents find pleasure in putting a live hamster in a microwave and watch it cook to death! Is this considered to be correct behaviour? Would YOU condone you kids doing this?! Think about it...

And as for cooking and eating animals "for fun"; since when did you (or anyone else for that matter) eat fox meat?

Eating meat and animal cruelty are two totally different things! Meat is humanely killed to feed human life whilst recreational sports torture an animal for fun. I can't see abattoir workers stunning and killing animals for fun no more than an funeral parlour employee enjoys making-up a dead persons body for fun...

And before someone replies with "how can you compare an animal life to a human life?" then I pity you...
Why the f*88 did you bring molesting children into the argument? Are you trying to equate fox-hunting to child molestation?
[quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on here are absolutely ridiculous. How on earth can anyone justify such a barbaric 'sport'. A sport is where both sides have a fair advantage. There is no advantage to the fox is there, hence it is murder pure and simple. Unfortunately these so-called human beings that participate in fox-hunting seem to believe that they are so much better than the rest of it who abhor it. Well, let me tell you something...you most certainly are not. And, yes, you are the scum of the earth. Murderous scum. In fact, in my opinion, anyone who participates or supports any sort of hunting/killing animals for fun are murderous scum and if ever I come face to face with any of you I shall have no problem with making my feelings perfectly clear.[/p][/quote]Then, taking your argument further, the taking of any animals life is murder? So all non-vegans are "murderous scum" (if you eat meat you must support!). I know you qualified your original statement with the words "for fun" - but meat eating has long passed the basic need for food - just look at all the cookery programmes and books - we now cook and eat for fun! My own opinion of fox-hunting is best summarised by Wilde - but then I'm a townie with no real idea of living and working in the countryside, so who am I to judge something I know little about?[/p][/quote]The "Country Vs Townie" argument is irrelevant. I don't know much about molesting children but I think I have a strong enough attitude against those who do it. And just because I don't know what makes their sick minds tick it definetly dosent allow me to want to try it to "see if it's fun"... There are a lot of immoral things that happen in life which I and others consider to be bad; and blood sports is one of them. In psychology, children as young as two years old find some pleasure in stamping on ants or pulling off the legs of spiders. This is just a learning curve for the human mind to figure out mortality and the immorals of taking another life. This should really stop by the age of five; but how far could this go? Scared children carry on with this behaviour. Some sick children/adolescents find pleasure in putting a live hamster in a microwave and watch it cook to death! Is this considered to be correct behaviour? Would YOU condone you kids doing this?! Think about it... And as for cooking and eating animals "for fun"; since when did you (or anyone else for that matter) eat fox meat? Eating meat and animal cruelty are two totally different things! Meat is humanely killed to feed human life whilst recreational sports torture an animal for fun. I can't see abattoir workers stunning and killing animals for fun no more than an funeral parlour employee enjoys making-up a dead persons body for fun... And before someone replies with "how can you compare an animal life to a human life?" then I pity you...[/p][/quote]Why the f*88 did you bring molesting children into the argument? Are you trying to equate fox-hunting to child molestation? imustbeoldiwearacap

12:52pm Sat 28 Dec 13

pinkfluff says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are absolutely ridiculous. How on earth can anyone justify such a barbaric 'sport'. A sport is where both sides have a fair advantage. There is no advantage to the fox is there, hence it is murder pure and simple. Unfortunately these so-called human beings that participate in fox-hunting seem to believe that they are so much better than the rest of it who abhor it. Well, let me tell you something...you most certainly are not. And, yes, you are the scum of the earth. Murderous scum. In fact, in my opinion, anyone who participates or supports any sort of hunting/killing animals for fun are murderous scum and if ever I come face to face with any of you I shall have no problem with making my feelings perfectly clear.
Then, taking your argument further, the taking of any animals life is murder? So all non-vegans are "murderous scum" (if you eat meat you must support!). I know you qualified your original statement with the words "for fun" - but meat eating has long passed the basic need for food - just look at all the cookery programmes and books - we now cook and eat for fun! My own opinion of fox-hunting is best summarised by Wilde - but then I'm a townie with no real idea of living and working in the countryside, so who am I to judge something I know little about?
The "Country Vs Townie" argument is irrelevant. I don't know much about molesting children but I think I have a strong enough attitude against those who do it. And just because I don't know what makes their sick minds tick it definetly dosent allow me to want to try it to "see if it's fun"...

There are a lot of immoral things that happen in life which I and others consider to be bad; and blood sports is one of them.

In psychology, children as young as two years old find some pleasure in stamping on ants or pulling off the legs of spiders. This is just a learning curve for the human mind to figure out mortality and the immorals of taking another life. This should really stop by the age of five; but how far could this go? Scared children carry on with this behaviour. Some sick children/adolescents find pleasure in putting a live hamster in a microwave and watch it cook to death! Is this considered to be correct behaviour? Would YOU condone you kids doing this?! Think about it...

And as for cooking and eating animals "for fun"; since when did you (or anyone else for that matter) eat fox meat?

Eating meat and animal cruelty are two totally different things! Meat is humanely killed to feed human life whilst recreational sports torture an animal for fun. I can't see abattoir workers stunning and killing animals for fun no more than an funeral parlour employee enjoys making-up a dead persons body for fun...

And before someone replies with "how can you compare an animal life to a human life?" then I pity you...
Why the f*88 did you bring molesting children into the argument? Are you trying to equate fox-hunting to child molestation?
Of course not.....I do believe you are deliberately missing the point to be offended. I thought it was a good point well made.

Personally I would put fox hunters on a par with child molestation, both abhorrent. I know you won't like it but that's my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on here are absolutely ridiculous. How on earth can anyone justify such a barbaric 'sport'. A sport is where both sides have a fair advantage. There is no advantage to the fox is there, hence it is murder pure and simple. Unfortunately these so-called human beings that participate in fox-hunting seem to believe that they are so much better than the rest of it who abhor it. Well, let me tell you something...you most certainly are not. And, yes, you are the scum of the earth. Murderous scum. In fact, in my opinion, anyone who participates or supports any sort of hunting/killing animals for fun are murderous scum and if ever I come face to face with any of you I shall have no problem with making my feelings perfectly clear.[/p][/quote]Then, taking your argument further, the taking of any animals life is murder? So all non-vegans are "murderous scum" (if you eat meat you must support!). I know you qualified your original statement with the words "for fun" - but meat eating has long passed the basic need for food - just look at all the cookery programmes and books - we now cook and eat for fun! My own opinion of fox-hunting is best summarised by Wilde - but then I'm a townie with no real idea of living and working in the countryside, so who am I to judge something I know little about?[/p][/quote]The "Country Vs Townie" argument is irrelevant. I don't know much about molesting children but I think I have a strong enough attitude against those who do it. And just because I don't know what makes their sick minds tick it definetly dosent allow me to want to try it to "see if it's fun"... There are a lot of immoral things that happen in life which I and others consider to be bad; and blood sports is one of them. In psychology, children as young as two years old find some pleasure in stamping on ants or pulling off the legs of spiders. This is just a learning curve for the human mind to figure out mortality and the immorals of taking another life. This should really stop by the age of five; but how far could this go? Scared children carry on with this behaviour. Some sick children/adolescents find pleasure in putting a live hamster in a microwave and watch it cook to death! Is this considered to be correct behaviour? Would YOU condone you kids doing this?! Think about it... And as for cooking and eating animals "for fun"; since when did you (or anyone else for that matter) eat fox meat? Eating meat and animal cruelty are two totally different things! Meat is humanely killed to feed human life whilst recreational sports torture an animal for fun. I can't see abattoir workers stunning and killing animals for fun no more than an funeral parlour employee enjoys making-up a dead persons body for fun... And before someone replies with "how can you compare an animal life to a human life?" then I pity you...[/p][/quote]Why the f*88 did you bring molesting children into the argument? Are you trying to equate fox-hunting to child molestation?[/p][/quote]Of course not.....I do believe you are deliberately missing the point to be offended. I thought it was a good point well made. Personally I would put fox hunters on a par with child molestation, both abhorrent. I know you won't like it but that's my opinion. pinkfluff

1:09pm Sat 28 Dec 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

Pinkfluff - I am NOT missing the point - Tub has used a device in her argument that is a distraction from the discussion about the morality of fox hunting. That is so often the problem with this and similar discussions - emotion gets the better of logical thinking. Some of the statements on both sides put off the public such that although the majority abhor fox-hunting they shut their ears and that is why in all probability actual fox-hunting will return (if Cameron has his way)
Pinkfluff - I am NOT missing the point - Tub has used a device in her argument that is a distraction from the discussion about the morality of fox hunting. That is so often the problem with this and similar discussions - emotion gets the better of logical thinking. Some of the statements on both sides put off the public such that although the majority abhor fox-hunting they shut their ears and that is why in all probability actual fox-hunting will return (if Cameron has his way) imustbeoldiwearacap

4:05pm Sat 28 Dec 13

goodygoody says...

Nortynorse wrote:
Just listen to you UNEDUCATED idiots, perhaps if you would like to come to our smallholding and see the damage ONE, yes ONE fox can do, don't listen to the "cuddly foxy" stories, get out there and see the REAL WORLD.

As a matter of interest, I didn't see any of the UNEDUCATED when the rain was pouring down Monday last, or in the bitter midwinter.

Stick to your "armchairs & nut roasts" until you understand the countryside and its ways.


Must go now, gotta get the horse ready for tomorrows meet!!!!!!
Nobody said they were cuddly. And yes we know what they do. It is a very cruel sport that people like you enjoy. People with blood **** who love to see or hear about an animal being terrified and ripped apart This isn't the middle ages. Would you also enjoy seeing your horse killed in this way, because there is no difference. As long as there are cruel people around, like yourself, there is no hope for our wildlife. Oh yes, I am country born and bred and I understand the countryside. I was also grammar school educated. It is you who needs educating, to learn that our wildlife are not yours to kill. They belong to no one except God.
[quote][p][bold]Nortynorse[/bold] wrote: Just listen to you UNEDUCATED idiots, perhaps if you would like to come to our smallholding and see the damage ONE, yes ONE fox can do, don't listen to the "cuddly foxy" stories, get out there and see the REAL WORLD. As a matter of interest, I didn't see any of the UNEDUCATED when the rain was pouring down Monday last, or in the bitter midwinter. Stick to your "armchairs & nut roasts" until you understand the countryside and its ways. Must go now, gotta get the horse ready for tomorrows meet!!!!!![/p][/quote]Nobody said they were cuddly. And yes we know what they do. It is a very cruel sport that people like you enjoy. People with blood **** who love to see or hear about an animal being terrified and ripped apart This isn't the middle ages. Would you also enjoy seeing your horse killed in this way, because there is no difference. As long as there are cruel people around, like yourself, there is no hope for our wildlife. Oh yes, I am country born and bred and I understand the countryside. I was also grammar school educated. It is you who needs educating, to learn that our wildlife are not yours to kill. They belong to no one except God. goodygoody

4:30pm Sat 28 Dec 13

liketoknow says...

why on earth do they call it The countryside Alliance. I was born and brought up in the country and neither I or any of my family ,friends,neighbours, whathave you, showed the slightest interest in foxhunting.
why on earth do they call it The countryside Alliance. I was born and brought up in the country and neither I or any of my family ,friends,neighbours, whathave you, showed the slightest interest in foxhunting. liketoknow

5:05pm Sat 28 Dec 13

tub_thumper says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are absolutely ridiculous. How on earth can anyone justify such a barbaric 'sport'. A sport is where both sides have a fair advantage. There is no advantage to the fox is there, hence it is murder pure and simple. Unfortunately these so-called human beings that participate in fox-hunting seem to believe that they are so much better than the rest of it who abhor it. Well, let me tell you something...you most certainly are not. And, yes, you are the scum of the earth. Murderous scum. In fact, in my opinion, anyone who participates or supports any sort of hunting/killing animals for fun are murderous scum and if ever I come face to face with any of you I shall have no problem with making my feelings perfectly clear.
Then, taking your argument further, the taking of any animals life is murder? So all non-vegans are "murderous scum" (if you eat meat you must support!). I know you qualified your original statement with the words "for fun" - but meat eating has long passed the basic need for food - just look at all the cookery programmes and books - we now cook and eat for fun! My own opinion of fox-hunting is best summarised by Wilde - but then I'm a townie with no real idea of living and working in the countryside, so who am I to judge something I know little about?
The "Country Vs Townie" argument is irrelevant. I don't know much about molesting children but I think I have a strong enough attitude against those who do it. And just because I don't know what makes their sick minds tick it definetly dosent allow me to want to try it to "see if it's fun"...

There are a lot of immoral things that happen in life which I and others consider to be bad; and blood sports is one of them.

In psychology, children as young as two years old find some pleasure in stamping on ants or pulling off the legs of spiders. This is just a learning curve for the human mind to figure out mortality and the immorals of taking another life. This should really stop by the age of five; but how far could this go? Scared children carry on with this behaviour. Some sick children/adolescents find pleasure in putting a live hamster in a microwave and watch it cook to death! Is this considered to be correct behaviour? Would YOU condone you kids doing this?! Think about it...

And as for cooking and eating animals "for fun"; since when did you (or anyone else for that matter) eat fox meat?

Eating meat and animal cruelty are two totally different things! Meat is humanely killed to feed human life whilst recreational sports torture an animal for fun. I can't see abattoir workers stunning and killing animals for fun no more than an funeral parlour employee enjoys making-up a dead persons body for fun...

And before someone replies with "how can you compare an animal life to a human life?" then I pity you...
Why the f*88 did you bring molesting children into the argument? Are you trying to equate fox-hunting to child molestation?
@imustbeoldiwearacap

Shock value...
You got offended, right? Well that's what I feel towards fox hunters...

At least I answered questions properly and brought my emotional feelings into the argument. I don't see why people think it's weird not to. I am a human and I feel empathy to all living creatures. I also refer to child psychology and how children kill nsects. For your information I wrote a long paragraph about that so no; I'm not distracting anything away from the fox hunting discussion...

And thank you for assuming I'm female. Clearly, a male shouldn't be so sympathetic, right?! (That was sarcasm by the way)...

And thanks for your support @Pinkfluff and @nicki1967

@liketoknow
You, like many who were brought up in the country, actually detest countryside sport. Thank you for proving that you don't have to be a townie to hate fox hunting...
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on here are absolutely ridiculous. How on earth can anyone justify such a barbaric 'sport'. A sport is where both sides have a fair advantage. There is no advantage to the fox is there, hence it is murder pure and simple. Unfortunately these so-called human beings that participate in fox-hunting seem to believe that they are so much better than the rest of it who abhor it. Well, let me tell you something...you most certainly are not. And, yes, you are the scum of the earth. Murderous scum. In fact, in my opinion, anyone who participates or supports any sort of hunting/killing animals for fun are murderous scum and if ever I come face to face with any of you I shall have no problem with making my feelings perfectly clear.[/p][/quote]Then, taking your argument further, the taking of any animals life is murder? So all non-vegans are "murderous scum" (if you eat meat you must support!). I know you qualified your original statement with the words "for fun" - but meat eating has long passed the basic need for food - just look at all the cookery programmes and books - we now cook and eat for fun! My own opinion of fox-hunting is best summarised by Wilde - but then I'm a townie with no real idea of living and working in the countryside, so who am I to judge something I know little about?[/p][/quote]The "Country Vs Townie" argument is irrelevant. I don't know much about molesting children but I think I have a strong enough attitude against those who do it. And just because I don't know what makes their sick minds tick it definetly dosent allow me to want to try it to "see if it's fun"... There are a lot of immoral things that happen in life which I and others consider to be bad; and blood sports is one of them. In psychology, children as young as two years old find some pleasure in stamping on ants or pulling off the legs of spiders. This is just a learning curve for the human mind to figure out mortality and the immorals of taking another life. This should really stop by the age of five; but how far could this go? Scared children carry on with this behaviour. Some sick children/adolescents find pleasure in putting a live hamster in a microwave and watch it cook to death! Is this considered to be correct behaviour? Would YOU condone you kids doing this?! Think about it... And as for cooking and eating animals "for fun"; since when did you (or anyone else for that matter) eat fox meat? Eating meat and animal cruelty are two totally different things! Meat is humanely killed to feed human life whilst recreational sports torture an animal for fun. I can't see abattoir workers stunning and killing animals for fun no more than an funeral parlour employee enjoys making-up a dead persons body for fun... And before someone replies with "how can you compare an animal life to a human life?" then I pity you...[/p][/quote]Why the f*88 did you bring molesting children into the argument? Are you trying to equate fox-hunting to child molestation?[/p][/quote]@imustbeoldiwearacap Shock value... You got offended, right? Well that's what I feel towards fox hunters... At least I answered questions properly and brought my emotional feelings into the argument. I don't see why people think it's weird not to. I am a human and I feel empathy to all living creatures. I also refer to child psychology and how children kill nsects. For your information I wrote a long paragraph about that so no; I'm not distracting anything away from the fox hunting discussion... And thank you for assuming I'm female. Clearly, a male shouldn't be so sympathetic, right?! (That was sarcasm by the way)... And thanks for your support @Pinkfluff and @nicki1967 @liketoknow You, like many who were brought up in the country, actually detest countryside sport. Thank you for proving that you don't have to be a townie to hate fox hunting... tub_thumper

6:26pm Sat 28 Dec 13

goodygoody says...

New Kid on the Block wrote:
If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?
They don't.
[quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?[/p][/quote]They don't. goodygoody

7:28pm Sat 28 Dec 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

@imustbeoldiwearacap

Shock value...
You got offended, right? Well that's what I feel towards fox hunters...

I did not get offended, just really annoyed that you spoilt a well reasoned argument by a silly distraction that feeds the pro-hunting view that those who oppose hunting are just woolly-minded anthropomorphs. If you read ALL of my comments, you will see that I'm against fox-hunting like you, but perhaps I try to see the other point of view!
@imustbeoldiwearacap Shock value... You got offended, right? Well that's what I feel towards fox hunters... I did not get offended, just really annoyed that you spoilt a well reasoned argument by a silly distraction that feeds the pro-hunting view that those who oppose hunting are just woolly-minded anthropomorphs. If you read ALL of my comments, you will see that I'm against fox-hunting like you, but perhaps I try to see the other point of view! imustbeoldiwearacap

8:06pm Sat 28 Dec 13

mijas4@live.com says...

New Kid on the Block wrote:
If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?
It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue.

There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.
[quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?[/p][/quote]It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue. There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits. mijas4@live.com

8:30pm Sat 28 Dec 13

nicki1967 says...

mijas4@live.com wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?
It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue.

There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.
Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?!
[quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?[/p][/quote]It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue. There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.[/p][/quote]Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?! nicki1967

10:06pm Sat 28 Dec 13

tub_thumper says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
@imustbeoldiwearacap

Shock value...
You got offended, right? Well that's what I feel towards fox hunters...

I did not get offended, just really annoyed that you spoilt a well reasoned argument by a silly distraction that feeds the pro-hunting view that those who oppose hunting are just woolly-minded anthropomorphs. If you read ALL of my comments, you will see that I'm against fox-hunting like you, but perhaps I try to see the other point of view!
Didn't spoil the argument - just sticking up for my beliefs.
And you DID get offended by my previous comments or else you wouldn't have replied.
And I am aware that you are against fox hunting - that is why I can't understand your fair reasoning. I have tried to see the other side of the argument on many occasions. I have had plenty of discussions with the pro and anti side of things. I sit and listen and don't interrupt others until they've finished saying their piece. (I have also spoken with hunt followers who are still active and past huntsmen who have changed their ways due to seeing such shocking things). But regardless of all of that I will continue to stand by my belief that it is wrong.
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: @imustbeoldiwearacap Shock value... You got offended, right? Well that's what I feel towards fox hunters... I did not get offended, just really annoyed that you spoilt a well reasoned argument by a silly distraction that feeds the pro-hunting view that those who oppose hunting are just woolly-minded anthropomorphs. If you read ALL of my comments, you will see that I'm against fox-hunting like you, but perhaps I try to see the other point of view![/p][/quote]Didn't spoil the argument - just sticking up for my beliefs. And you DID get offended by my previous comments or else you wouldn't have replied. And I am aware that you are against fox hunting - that is why I can't understand your fair reasoning. I have tried to see the other side of the argument on many occasions. I have had plenty of discussions with the pro and anti side of things. I sit and listen and don't interrupt others until they've finished saying their piece. (I have also spoken with hunt followers who are still active and past huntsmen who have changed their ways due to seeing such shocking things). But regardless of all of that I will continue to stand by my belief that it is wrong. tub_thumper

10:14pm Sat 28 Dec 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

tub_thumper wrote:
imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
@imustbeoldiwearacap

Shock value...
You got offended, right? Well that's what I feel towards fox hunters...

I did not get offended, just really annoyed that you spoilt a well reasoned argument by a silly distraction that feeds the pro-hunting view that those who oppose hunting are just woolly-minded anthropomorphs. If you read ALL of my comments, you will see that I'm against fox-hunting like you, but perhaps I try to see the other point of view!
Didn't spoil the argument - just sticking up for my beliefs.
And you DID get offended by my previous comments or else you wouldn't have replied.
And I am aware that you are against fox hunting - that is why I can't understand your fair reasoning. I have tried to see the other side of the argument on many occasions. I have had plenty of discussions with the pro and anti side of things. I sit and listen and don't interrupt others until they've finished saying their piece. (I have also spoken with hunt followers who are still active and past huntsmen who have changed their ways due to seeing such shocking things). But regardless of all of that I will continue to stand by my belief that it is wrong.
You can read my mind, right? How could I be offended? - I'm not pro-hunting! We won't stop hunting with dogs (just like we have not stopped dog fights and **** fights) by screaming at, and insulting those that do. By what you said you have already created a barrier to what was a persuasive argument - many of the pros would have stopped reading at that point!
[quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: @imustbeoldiwearacap Shock value... You got offended, right? Well that's what I feel towards fox hunters... I did not get offended, just really annoyed that you spoilt a well reasoned argument by a silly distraction that feeds the pro-hunting view that those who oppose hunting are just woolly-minded anthropomorphs. If you read ALL of my comments, you will see that I'm against fox-hunting like you, but perhaps I try to see the other point of view![/p][/quote]Didn't spoil the argument - just sticking up for my beliefs. And you DID get offended by my previous comments or else you wouldn't have replied. And I am aware that you are against fox hunting - that is why I can't understand your fair reasoning. I have tried to see the other side of the argument on many occasions. I have had plenty of discussions with the pro and anti side of things. I sit and listen and don't interrupt others until they've finished saying their piece. (I have also spoken with hunt followers who are still active and past huntsmen who have changed their ways due to seeing such shocking things). But regardless of all of that I will continue to stand by my belief that it is wrong.[/p][/quote]You can read my mind, right? How could I be offended? - I'm not pro-hunting! We won't stop hunting with dogs (just like we have not stopped dog fights and **** fights) by screaming at, and insulting those that do. By what you said you have already created a barrier to what was a persuasive argument - many of the pros would have stopped reading at that point! imustbeoldiwearacap

10:17pm Sat 28 Dec 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

seems the system does not like my reference to male chickens!
seems the system does not like my reference to male chickens! imustbeoldiwearacap

1:13am Sun 29 Dec 13

tub_thumper says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
seems the system does not like my reference to male chickens!
Yawn...
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: seems the system does not like my reference to male chickens![/p][/quote]Yawn... tub_thumper

1:14am Sun 29 Dec 13

tub_thumper says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
@imustbeoldiwearacap

Shock value...
You got offended, right? Well that's what I feel towards fox hunters...

I did not get offended, just really annoyed that you spoilt a well reasoned argument by a silly distraction that feeds the pro-hunting view that those who oppose hunting are just woolly-minded anthropomorphs. If you read ALL of my comments, you will see that I'm against fox-hunting like you, but perhaps I try to see the other point of view!
Didn't spoil the argument - just sticking up for my beliefs.
And you DID get offended by my previous comments or else you wouldn't have replied.
And I am aware that you are against fox hunting - that is why I can't understand your fair reasoning. I have tried to see the other side of the argument on many occasions. I have had plenty of discussions with the pro and anti side of things. I sit and listen and don't interrupt others until they've finished saying their piece. (I have also spoken with hunt followers who are still active and past huntsmen who have changed their ways due to seeing such shocking things). But regardless of all of that I will continue to stand by my belief that it is wrong.
You can read my mind, right? How could I be offended? - I'm not pro-hunting! We won't stop hunting with dogs (just like we have not stopped dog fights and **** fights) by screaming at, and insulting those that do. By what you said you have already created a barrier to what was a persuasive argument - many of the pros would have stopped reading at that point!
Yawn...
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: @imustbeoldiwearacap Shock value... You got offended, right? Well that's what I feel towards fox hunters... I did not get offended, just really annoyed that you spoilt a well reasoned argument by a silly distraction that feeds the pro-hunting view that those who oppose hunting are just woolly-minded anthropomorphs. If you read ALL of my comments, you will see that I'm against fox-hunting like you, but perhaps I try to see the other point of view![/p][/quote]Didn't spoil the argument - just sticking up for my beliefs. And you DID get offended by my previous comments or else you wouldn't have replied. And I am aware that you are against fox hunting - that is why I can't understand your fair reasoning. I have tried to see the other side of the argument on many occasions. I have had plenty of discussions with the pro and anti side of things. I sit and listen and don't interrupt others until they've finished saying their piece. (I have also spoken with hunt followers who are still active and past huntsmen who have changed their ways due to seeing such shocking things). But regardless of all of that I will continue to stand by my belief that it is wrong.[/p][/quote]You can read my mind, right? How could I be offended? - I'm not pro-hunting! We won't stop hunting with dogs (just like we have not stopped dog fights and **** fights) by screaming at, and insulting those that do. By what you said you have already created a barrier to what was a persuasive argument - many of the pros would have stopped reading at that point![/p][/quote]Yawn... tub_thumper

10:42am Sun 29 Dec 13

Guy66 says...

sunnside wrote:
rich toffs killing a helpless animal
A comment from a clueless moron unable to look at the whole picture!
[quote][p][bold]sunnside[/bold] wrote: rich toffs killing a helpless animal[/p][/quote]A comment from a clueless moron unable to look at the whole picture! Guy66

11:00am Sun 29 Dec 13

tub_thumper says...

Guy66 wrote:
sunnside wrote:
rich toffs killing a helpless animal
A comment from a clueless moron unable to look at the whole picture!
Bit late in the game aren't you? That comment was posted 3 days ago. No-one else has mentioned it until now! But at least it shows that you have read the whole thread instead of just joining in and missing the most current point...
[quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sunnside[/bold] wrote: rich toffs killing a helpless animal[/p][/quote]A comment from a clueless moron unable to look at the whole picture![/p][/quote]Bit late in the game aren't you? That comment was posted 3 days ago. No-one else has mentioned it until now! But at least it shows that you have read the whole thread instead of just joining in and missing the most current point... tub_thumper

11:03am Sun 29 Dec 13

mijas4@live.com says...

nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?
It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue.

There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.
Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?!
First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue.

The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred.

Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.
[quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?[/p][/quote]It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue. There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.[/p][/quote]Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?![/p][/quote]First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue. The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred. Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes. mijas4@live.com

12:50pm Sun 29 Dec 13

New Kid on the Block says...

goodygoody wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?
They don't.
If there isn't a huge crowd of supporters where do all the people come from at the meets that I have attended, including three huge demonstrations in London?
[quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?[/p][/quote]They don't.[/p][/quote]If there isn't a huge crowd of supporters where do all the people come from at the meets that I have attended, including three huge demonstrations in London? New Kid on the Block

1:11pm Sun 29 Dec 13

nicki1967 says...

mijas4@live.com wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?
It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue.

There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.
Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?!
First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue.

The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred.

Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.
So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.
[quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?[/p][/quote]It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue. There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.[/p][/quote]Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?![/p][/quote]First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue. The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred. Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.[/p][/quote]So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced. nicki1967

2:36pm Sun 29 Dec 13

New Kid on the Block says...

As usual the claim that Hunting is the preserve of the upper classes is being wheeled out.
If those making this claim had actually met some Hunt supporters they would know that this is not true. I have met hunt supporters from all walks of life.
What they do all have in common is a love of the countryside.
As usual the claim that Hunting is the preserve of the upper classes is being wheeled out. If those making this claim had actually met some Hunt supporters they would know that this is not true. I have met hunt supporters from all walks of life. What they do all have in common is a love of the countryside. New Kid on the Block

2:43pm Sun 29 Dec 13

nicki1967 says...

New Kid on the Block wrote:
As usual the claim that Hunting is the preserve of the upper classes is being wheeled out.
If those making this claim had actually met some Hunt supporters they would know that this is not true. I have met hunt supporters from all walks of life.
What they do all have in common is a love of the countryside.
And what, exactly, does a love of the countryside have to do with animal cruelty?
[quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: As usual the claim that Hunting is the preserve of the upper classes is being wheeled out. If those making this claim had actually met some Hunt supporters they would know that this is not true. I have met hunt supporters from all walks of life. What they do all have in common is a love of the countryside.[/p][/quote]And what, exactly, does a love of the countryside have to do with animal cruelty? nicki1967

3:34pm Sun 29 Dec 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

http://www.conservat
ivesagainstfoxhuntin
g.com/about/

Don't think the PM is a member!
http://www.conservat ivesagainstfoxhuntin g.com/about/ Don't think the PM is a member! imustbeoldiwearacap

3:42pm Sun 29 Dec 13

New Kid on the Block says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
http://www.conservat

ivesagainstfoxhuntin

g.com/about/

Don't think the PM is a member!
I see that they are still making the claims about the law being flouted. If this is the case why can they not produce evidence. Hunts are routinely filmed by so called "Hunt Monitors" but they cannot produce any evidence of wrong doing.
It would appear that they are using the old tactics that if you throw enough mud some of it may stick.
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: http://www.conservat ivesagainstfoxhuntin g.com/about/ Don't think the PM is a member![/p][/quote]I see that they are still making the claims about the law being flouted. If this is the case why can they not produce evidence. Hunts are routinely filmed by so called "Hunt Monitors" but they cannot produce any evidence of wrong doing. It would appear that they are using the old tactics that if you throw enough mud some of it may stick. New Kid on the Block

4:02pm Sun 29 Dec 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

But what is more worrying is

http://www.countrysi
de-alliance.org.uk/c
a/file/Case_for_Repe
al_2011.pdf

The CA is powerful lobby (and includes members in all classes of our society) and has the tacit support of the PM.

BTW the CA is not averse to using distressing images of "fox-kills" Page 10 show a dead lamb with a bloody wound on its neck - the incidents of foxes killing lambs/sheep are apocryphal. More like a domestic dog killed that lamb! But heck, never let the truth get in the way of a campaign!
But what is more worrying is http://www.countrysi de-alliance.org.uk/c a/file/Case_for_Repe al_2011.pdf The CA is powerful lobby (and includes members in all classes of our society) and has the tacit support of the PM. BTW the CA is not averse to using distressing images of "fox-kills" Page 10 show a dead lamb with a bloody wound on its neck - the incidents of foxes killing lambs/sheep are apocryphal. More like a domestic dog killed that lamb! But heck, never let the truth get in the way of a campaign! imustbeoldiwearacap

6:23pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Geep says...

Well, I'm no vegetarian, tree hugging, bunny lover. I'm quite happy to shoot rats, rabbits & pigeons attacking fruit & veg in my garden.
The arrogant attitude of some hunt supporters shown in this correspondence is incredible. I will definitely think again about slowing down/stopping when I'm out on my motorcycle, & meet a group of Hoorays in Hunting Pink...
Well, I'm no vegetarian, tree hugging, bunny lover. I'm quite happy to shoot rats, rabbits & pigeons attacking fruit & veg in my garden. The arrogant attitude of some hunt supporters shown in this correspondence is incredible. I will definitely think again about slowing down/stopping when I'm out on my motorcycle, & meet a group of Hoorays in Hunting Pink... Geep

6:58pm Sun 29 Dec 13

mijas4@live.com says...

nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?
It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue.

There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.
Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?!
First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue.

The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred.

Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.
So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.
Now calm down dear and read carefully.

You have fallen into the trap of seeing this as a class issue,which is my point.

Fight for some real causes.
[quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?[/p][/quote]It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue. There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.[/p][/quote]Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?![/p][/quote]First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue. The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred. Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.[/p][/quote]So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.[/p][/quote]Now calm down dear and read carefully. You have fallen into the trap of seeing this as a class issue,which is my point. Fight for some real causes. mijas4@live.com

7:10pm Sun 29 Dec 13

nicki1967 says...

mijas4@live.com wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?
It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue.

There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.
Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?!
First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue.

The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred.

Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.
So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.
Now calm down dear and read carefully.

You have fallen into the trap of seeing this as a class issue,which is my point.

Fight for some real causes.
Yes, it is actually an issue of idiots with too much money thinking that they can do what the hell they like without being accountable for it. This is why the ban on fox-hunting has never worked. As I said, wherever there are people with too much money, there will always be corruption.
And please don't refer to me as 'dear'. It really is quite patronising.
[quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?[/p][/quote]It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue. There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.[/p][/quote]Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?![/p][/quote]First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue. The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred. Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.[/p][/quote]So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.[/p][/quote]Now calm down dear and read carefully. You have fallen into the trap of seeing this as a class issue,which is my point. Fight for some real causes.[/p][/quote]Yes, it is actually an issue of idiots with too much money thinking that they can do what the hell they like without being accountable for it. This is why the ban on fox-hunting has never worked. As I said, wherever there are people with too much money, there will always be corruption. And please don't refer to me as 'dear'. It really is quite patronising. nicki1967

7:53pm Sun 29 Dec 13

mijas4@live.com says...

nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?
It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue.

There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.
Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?!
First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue.

The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred.

Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.
So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.
Now calm down dear and read carefully.

You have fallen into the trap of seeing this as a class issue,which is my point.

Fight for some real causes.
Yes, it is actually an issue of idiots with too much money thinking that they can do what the hell they like without being accountable for it. This is why the ban on fox-hunting has never worked. As I said, wherever there are people with too much money, there will always be corruption.
And please don't refer to me as 'dear'. It really is quite patronising.
Dear it is meant to be patronising !

What evidence do you have that they are idiots ?
What evidence do you have that they have too much money ?

Come on, accept how silly your ranting looks and how full of prejudice.

I am glad you agree with my point about football I quote "As I said, wherever there are people with too much money, there will always be corruption"

I am also sure that many of these People have morals and feel they live by them but they are just different to yours.
[quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?[/p][/quote]It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue. There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.[/p][/quote]Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?![/p][/quote]First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue. The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred. Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.[/p][/quote]So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.[/p][/quote]Now calm down dear and read carefully. You have fallen into the trap of seeing this as a class issue,which is my point. Fight for some real causes.[/p][/quote]Yes, it is actually an issue of idiots with too much money thinking that they can do what the hell they like without being accountable for it. This is why the ban on fox-hunting has never worked. As I said, wherever there are people with too much money, there will always be corruption. And please don't refer to me as 'dear'. It really is quite patronising.[/p][/quote]Dear it is meant to be patronising ! What evidence do you have that they are idiots ? What evidence do you have that they have too much money ? Come on, accept how silly your ranting looks and how full of prejudice. I am glad you agree with my point about football I quote "As I said, wherever there are people with too much money, there will always be corruption" I am also sure that many of these People have morals and feel they live by them but they are just different to yours. mijas4@live.com

8:09pm Sun 29 Dec 13

nicki1967 says...

mijas4@live.com wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?
It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue.

There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.
Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?!
First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue.

The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred.

Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.
So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.
Now calm down dear and read carefully.

You have fallen into the trap of seeing this as a class issue,which is my point.

Fight for some real causes.
Yes, it is actually an issue of idiots with too much money thinking that they can do what the hell they like without being accountable for it. This is why the ban on fox-hunting has never worked. As I said, wherever there are people with too much money, there will always be corruption.
And please don't refer to me as 'dear'. It really is quite patronising.
Dear it is meant to be patronising !

What evidence do you have that they are idiots ?
What evidence do you have that they have too much money ?

Come on, accept how silly your ranting looks and how full of prejudice.

I am glad you agree with my point about football I quote "As I said, wherever there are people with too much money, there will always be corruption"

I am also sure that many of these People have morals and feel they live by them but they are just different to yours.
It's not 'silly ranting' though is it. I have said in previous comments that these blood 'sports' and the people that participate in them are immoral. I have also said that a sport is where 2 sides have an equal chance. What chance does the animal have in these ridiculous and outdated pursuits? Absolutely none.
[quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?[/p][/quote]It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue. There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.[/p][/quote]Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?![/p][/quote]First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue. The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred. Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.[/p][/quote]So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.[/p][/quote]Now calm down dear and read carefully. You have fallen into the trap of seeing this as a class issue,which is my point. Fight for some real causes.[/p][/quote]Yes, it is actually an issue of idiots with too much money thinking that they can do what the hell they like without being accountable for it. This is why the ban on fox-hunting has never worked. As I said, wherever there are people with too much money, there will always be corruption. And please don't refer to me as 'dear'. It really is quite patronising.[/p][/quote]Dear it is meant to be patronising ! What evidence do you have that they are idiots ? What evidence do you have that they have too much money ? Come on, accept how silly your ranting looks and how full of prejudice. I am glad you agree with my point about football I quote "As I said, wherever there are people with too much money, there will always be corruption" I am also sure that many of these People have morals and feel they live by them but they are just different to yours.[/p][/quote]It's not 'silly ranting' though is it. I have said in previous comments that these blood 'sports' and the people that participate in them are immoral. I have also said that a sport is where 2 sides have an equal chance. What chance does the animal have in these ridiculous and outdated pursuits? Absolutely none. nicki1967

2:19am Mon 30 Dec 13

Guy66 says...

nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?
It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue.

There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.
Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?!
First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue.

The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred.

Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.
So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.
If you were even remotely middle class you might begin to understand that this is not a pass time of the rich or middle or working classes. It allows and welcomes all levels to take part, support and profit from the 'sport'. Getting rid of vermin is the main reason for killing the foxes. I guess most of the uneducated blinkered people commenting on here would prefer the use of poisons or guns. The result is the same but with this sport the fox has some possibility of getting away!
[quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?[/p][/quote]It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue. There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.[/p][/quote]Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?![/p][/quote]First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue. The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred. Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.[/p][/quote]So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.[/p][/quote]If you were even remotely middle class you might begin to understand that this is not a pass time of the rich or middle or working classes. It allows and welcomes all levels to take part, support and profit from the 'sport'. Getting rid of vermin is the main reason for killing the foxes. I guess most of the uneducated blinkered people commenting on here would prefer the use of poisons or guns. The result is the same but with this sport the fox has some possibility of getting away! Guy66

11:30am Mon 30 Dec 13

liketoknow says...

the mayor of Droitwich said eighty percent of people thought foxhunting should be banned. I thought it was!
the mayor of Droitwich said eighty percent of people thought foxhunting should be banned. I thought it was! liketoknow

12:23pm Mon 30 Dec 13

nicki1967 says...

Guy66 wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?
It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue.

There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.
Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?!
First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue.

The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred.

Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.
So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.
If you were even remotely middle class you might begin to understand that this is not a pass time of the rich or middle or working classes. It allows and welcomes all levels to take part, support and profit from the 'sport'. Getting rid of vermin is the main reason for killing the foxes. I guess most of the uneducated blinkered people commenting on here would prefer the use of poisons or guns. The result is the same but with this sport the fox has some possibility of getting away!
I am neither uneducated or blinkered. Foxes are not vermin. They are wildlife and need to survive. Is it their fault that the 'human' race has taken away so much of their habitat? Yes, they will kill chickens and sheep that are being kept by farmers. Again, it's survival. The keepers of said chickens and sheep are going to be killed anyway in all probability for profit. It still does not give people the right to go hunting them as a 'sport'.
Now if anyone other than the narrow-minded idiot brigade would like anymore facts then I will be pleased to provide them.
[quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?[/p][/quote]It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue. There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.[/p][/quote]Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?![/p][/quote]First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue. The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred. Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.[/p][/quote]So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.[/p][/quote]If you were even remotely middle class you might begin to understand that this is not a pass time of the rich or middle or working classes. It allows and welcomes all levels to take part, support and profit from the 'sport'. Getting rid of vermin is the main reason for killing the foxes. I guess most of the uneducated blinkered people commenting on here would prefer the use of poisons or guns. The result is the same but with this sport the fox has some possibility of getting away![/p][/quote]I am neither uneducated or blinkered. Foxes are not vermin. They are wildlife and need to survive. Is it their fault that the 'human' race has taken away so much of their habitat? Yes, they will kill chickens and sheep that are being kept by farmers. Again, it's survival. The keepers of said chickens and sheep are going to be killed anyway in all probability for profit. It still does not give people the right to go hunting them as a 'sport'. Now if anyone other than the narrow-minded idiot brigade would like anymore facts then I will be pleased to provide them. nicki1967

12:27pm Mon 30 Dec 13

tub_thumper says...

Guy66 wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?
It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue.

There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.
Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?!
First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue.

The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred.

Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.
So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.
If you were even remotely middle class you might begin to understand that this is not a pass time of the rich or middle or working classes. It allows and welcomes all levels to take part, support and profit from the 'sport'. Getting rid of vermin is the main reason for killing the foxes. I guess most of the uneducated blinkered people commenting on here would prefer the use of poisons or guns. The result is the same but with this sport the fox has some possibility of getting away!
What are the pro-hunters here arguing their case case that fox hunting is not a class issue. It doesn't matter what "class" you belong to - if you kill an animal for fun then it is immoral. Just like killing a fellow human is immoral.

Why would you say that we "blinkered" people would prefer poisons and guns?! Talking about putting words into my mouth! Foxes shouldn't be killed at all! End of!

Foxes are not vermin. They kill the odd sheep and chicken. So what? They hunt for survival - not pleasure. If you don't like the idea of foxes taking your chickens then secure them properly! And I'm talking from experience - I had my chickens taken once. It did upset me but I didn't blame the fox. I made my coop more secure, invested in a PIR sensor flood light and a sonic fox deterrent. It works. No more foxes in my garden! I do still hear them in the park and allotments at night (which is right next to my property) but they now don't come anywhere near my chickens. I actually have more of a problem with squirrels taking the seed I put out for the birds. So I have invested in squirrel proof feeders and they don't cause a problem.

Even weeds - I don't like using weed killer so I've suppressed them weed control fabric and bark chippings!!!!

My point being is that there are many ways to control things without having to kill them. If anything, it is we who have made the biggest environmental impact on this planet by causing pollution, building on the land of wildlife and chopping down the rainforests. If anything, it is we who are vermin!

The only reason why the pro-hunting lobby are so upset is because there has been a large amount of tradition and employment built up around the whole thing. And some of the supporters that go down to hunt meets on Boxing Day only do it because of the tradition. Underneath all the festive jovialities of mince pies and Santa on horseback - along with the beautiful horses and hunt masters in their attire - people forget what actually might happen to an unsuspecting fox alone in the countryside. And I know this from talking to the people:

ME: "Why do you come down here on Boxing Day?"
SUPPORTER: "Because it's a family tradition"
ME: "So do you agree with hunting foxes in this way?"
SUPPORTER: "Haven't really thought about it - we just like coming down to see the horses and hounds".

And this is why the hunt meets are such "lovely" affairs. They hide behind Christmas and use it as a propaganda tool to fool the public. After seeing Santa getting off his horse and taking off his costume the general public don't realise that foxes get unfairly ripped apart by unleashed dogs (that the rest of us have to abide by), then parade around with the head, tail and feet of the fox as trophies. And not forgetting the painting of the fox blood on a newly recruited members face!

If it was all about pest control then the fox would be trapped an euthanised humanely by one of two people. There should be no pleasure gained from this. There is no need to create a sport around the the whole thing!
[quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?[/p][/quote]It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue. There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.[/p][/quote]Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?![/p][/quote]First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue. The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred. Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.[/p][/quote]So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.[/p][/quote]If you were even remotely middle class you might begin to understand that this is not a pass time of the rich or middle or working classes. It allows and welcomes all levels to take part, support and profit from the 'sport'. Getting rid of vermin is the main reason for killing the foxes. I guess most of the uneducated blinkered people commenting on here would prefer the use of poisons or guns. The result is the same but with this sport the fox has some possibility of getting away![/p][/quote]What are the pro-hunters here arguing their case case that fox hunting is not a class issue. It doesn't matter what "class" you belong to - if you kill an animal for fun then it is immoral. Just like killing a fellow human is immoral. Why would you say that we "blinkered" people would prefer poisons and guns?! Talking about putting words into my mouth! Foxes shouldn't be killed at all! End of! Foxes are not vermin. They kill the odd sheep and chicken. So what? They hunt for survival - not pleasure. If you don't like the idea of foxes taking your chickens then secure them properly! And I'm talking from experience - I had my chickens taken once. It did upset me but I didn't blame the fox. I made my coop more secure, invested in a PIR sensor flood light and a sonic fox deterrent. It works. No more foxes in my garden! I do still hear them in the park and allotments at night (which is right next to my property) but they now don't come anywhere near my chickens. I actually have more of a problem with squirrels taking the seed I put out for the birds. So I have invested in squirrel proof feeders and they don't cause a problem. Even weeds - I don't like using weed killer so I've suppressed them weed control fabric and bark chippings!!!! My point being is that there are many ways to control things without having to kill them. If anything, it is we who have made the biggest environmental impact on this planet by causing pollution, building on the land of wildlife and chopping down the rainforests. If anything, it is we who are vermin! The only reason why the pro-hunting lobby are so upset is because there has been a large amount of tradition and employment built up around the whole thing. And some of the supporters that go down to hunt meets on Boxing Day only do it because of the tradition. Underneath all the festive jovialities of mince pies and Santa on horseback - along with the beautiful horses and hunt masters in their attire - people forget what actually might happen to an unsuspecting fox alone in the countryside. And I know this from talking to the people: ME: "Why do you come down here on Boxing Day?" SUPPORTER: "Because it's a family tradition" ME: "So do you agree with hunting foxes in this way?" SUPPORTER: "Haven't really thought about it - we just like coming down to see the horses and hounds". And this is why the hunt meets are such "lovely" affairs. They hide behind Christmas and use it as a propaganda tool to fool the public. After seeing Santa getting off his horse and taking off his costume the general public don't realise that foxes get unfairly ripped apart by unleashed dogs (that the rest of us have to abide by), then parade around with the head, tail and feet of the fox as trophies. And not forgetting the painting of the fox blood on a newly recruited members face! If it was all about pest control then the fox would be trapped an euthanised humanely by one of two people. There should be no pleasure gained from this. There is no need to create a sport around the the whole thing! tub_thumper

5:38pm Mon 30 Dec 13

liketoknow says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
Pinkfluff - I am NOT missing the point - Tub has used a device in her argument that is a distraction from the discussion about the morality of fox hunting. That is so often the problem with this and similar discussions - emotion gets the better of logical thinking. Some of the statements on both sides put off the public such that although the majority abhor fox-hunting they shut their ears and that is why in all probability actual fox-hunting will return (if Cameron has his way)
no government would ever be foolish enough to repeal a ban on bloodsports.it belongs in the past along with slavery
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: Pinkfluff - I am NOT missing the point - Tub has used a device in her argument that is a distraction from the discussion about the morality of fox hunting. That is so often the problem with this and similar discussions - emotion gets the better of logical thinking. Some of the statements on both sides put off the public such that although the majority abhor fox-hunting they shut their ears and that is why in all probability actual fox-hunting will return (if Cameron has his way)[/p][/quote]no government would ever be foolish enough to repeal a ban on bloodsports.it belongs in the past along with slavery liketoknow

5:56pm Mon 30 Dec 13

liketoknow says...

Guy66 wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?
It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue.

There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.
Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?!
First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue.

The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred.

Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.
So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.
If you were even remotely middle class you might begin to understand that this is not a pass time of the rich or middle or working classes. It allows and welcomes all levels to take part, support and profit from the 'sport'. Getting rid of vermin is the main reason for killing the foxes. I guess most of the uneducated blinkered people commenting on here would prefer the use of poisons or guns. The result is the same but with this sport the fox has some possibility of getting away!
if the idea of foxhunting is to get rid of vermin, why would you want the possibility of the fox getting away?
[quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?[/p][/quote]It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue. There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.[/p][/quote]Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?![/p][/quote]First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue. The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred. Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.[/p][/quote]So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.[/p][/quote]If you were even remotely middle class you might begin to understand that this is not a pass time of the rich or middle or working classes. It allows and welcomes all levels to take part, support and profit from the 'sport'. Getting rid of vermin is the main reason for killing the foxes. I guess most of the uneducated blinkered people commenting on here would prefer the use of poisons or guns. The result is the same but with this sport the fox has some possibility of getting away![/p][/quote]if the idea of foxhunting is to get rid of vermin, why would you want the possibility of the fox getting away? liketoknow

6:08pm Mon 30 Dec 13

tub_thumper says...

liketoknow wrote:
Guy66 wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?
It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue.

There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.
Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?!
First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue.

The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred.

Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.
So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.
If you were even remotely middle class you might begin to understand that this is not a pass time of the rich or middle or working classes. It allows and welcomes all levels to take part, support and profit from the 'sport'. Getting rid of vermin is the main reason for killing the foxes. I guess most of the uneducated blinkered people commenting on here would prefer the use of poisons or guns. The result is the same but with this sport the fox has some possibility of getting away!
if the idea of foxhunting is to get rid of vermin, why would you want the possibility of the fox getting away?
Because they'd rather watch the fox panic for it's life and torture it before it gets ripped to shreds... All in the name of sport!
[quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?[/p][/quote]It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue. There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.[/p][/quote]Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?![/p][/quote]First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue. The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred. Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.[/p][/quote]So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.[/p][/quote]If you were even remotely middle class you might begin to understand that this is not a pass time of the rich or middle or working classes. It allows and welcomes all levels to take part, support and profit from the 'sport'. Getting rid of vermin is the main reason for killing the foxes. I guess most of the uneducated blinkered people commenting on here would prefer the use of poisons or guns. The result is the same but with this sport the fox has some possibility of getting away![/p][/quote]if the idea of foxhunting is to get rid of vermin, why would you want the possibility of the fox getting away?[/p][/quote]Because they'd rather watch the fox panic for it's life and torture it before it gets ripped to shreds... All in the name of sport! tub_thumper

11:54am Tue 31 Dec 13

Luckylady09 says...

Reading these posts have got me wound up, "rich toffs" i for one nor my family are "rich toffs" far from it, i personally think the hunt is a beautiful site to see, and people saying that they dont have a big turn out at the meets are totally wrong!! Have you ever actually been out and had a look??? The fact that the hunts are aslo giving people a job also goes un noticed! If you dont like it atay away simple as! I love the hunt !!
Reading these posts have got me wound up, "rich toffs" i for one nor my family are "rich toffs" far from it, i personally think the hunt is a beautiful site to see, and people saying that they dont have a big turn out at the meets are totally wrong!! Have you ever actually been out and had a look??? The fact that the hunts are aslo giving people a job also goes un noticed! If you dont like it atay away simple as! I love the hunt !! Luckylady09

12:52pm Tue 31 Dec 13

tub_thumper says...

Luckylady09 wrote:
Reading these posts have got me wound up, "rich toffs" i for one nor my family are "rich toffs" far from it, i personally think the hunt is a beautiful site to see, and people saying that they dont have a big turn out at the meets are totally wrong!! Have you ever actually been out and had a look??? The fact that the hunts are aslo giving people a job also goes un noticed! If you dont like it atay away simple as! I love the hunt !!
The class issue (or rich toffs as you so elegantly put it) hasn't been mentioned since the early hours of Monday morning. So please can you stop trolling? No one has been bothered about the class war since you just mentioned it...

If you have read my last (but one) post you will see that I have been out and spoken to the supporters of the hunt at the hunt meets - please read it correctly before throwing your toys out of the pram!

You mention the employment issue - which is what I have mentioned too. Such a large scale of tradition and employment built up around brutally killing an animal since the 1600's will undoubtably upset people if the ban continues - just like banning smoking or fast food... They've been around for so long that people can't cope without them being there!

You say that the hunt is a beautiful site? Have you witnessed the killing of a fox or do you just like seeing the political propaganda of Santa on horseback dressed up in all it's festive jovialities on Boxing Day? Because that's exactly what it is! Political speech and propaganda: like presidents hugging and kissing babies in front of adoring crowds while behind closed doors they have the big red button in which to blow up a country with an atomic blast...

Words of wisdom from George Orwell:

"In our time, political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. Things like the continuance of British rule in India, the Russian purges and deportations, the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan, can indeed be defended, but only by arguments which are too brutal for most people to face, and which do not square with the professed aims of the political parties. Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism., question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness. Defenseless villages are bombarded from the air, the inhabitants driven out into the countryside, the cattle machine-gunned, the huts set on fire with incendiary bullets: this is called pacification. Millions of peasants are robbed of their farms and sent trudging along the roads with no more than they can carry: this is called transfer of population or rectification of frontiers. People are imprisoned for years without trial, or shot in the back of the neck or sent to die of scurvy in Arctic lumber camps: this is called elimination of unreliable elements. Such phraseology is needed if one wants to name things without calling up mental pictures of them"

Such phraseology is needed if one wants to name things without calling up mental pictures of them. The hunt brigade know full well that their "sport" is indefensible (at least in terms of what decent people everywhere consider defensible). They know that what they are doing is wrong; they don't want you to know it's wrong; and most importantly, they don't want to admit to themselves that it's wrong! There is just one problem here: you can lie to others, but you can not lie to yourself. Every action carries its consequences, much as one would rather avoid said consequences.

Unlike the deer hunter who actually hunts for meat or to kill for conservation; in fox hunting the killing of the fox IS the whole point. What is the point of giving it chance to get away if it is vermin? And what is the point of wanting it to get away if the aim is to kill it for sport? The hunt don't do it for the meat (because let's face it - wouldn't something that eats mainly small rodents and road-kill taste just great?) or even for the fur (not much a furrier could do with what's left after a huntsman's pack has done with ripping apart a fox). It's solely about the killing. And not just any killing; cruel, brutal, sadistic killing at that. It isn't what's portrayed in the movies: elegant gentlemen in their "pinks", riding beautiful horses to perky hounds across a pristine country-side. It's a **** dirty business of some truly ugly people, despite how "elegant" and "dignified" they may look on the outside. The propaganda that the fox is killed quickly and humanely (or incredibly enough, that foxes are seldom actually killed) is utter bullsh!t.

So, if you want to get sucked in by the country "gentlemen" who look oh so elegant, or by the bullsh!t that's dished out by the hunt to the festively, naive public on Boxing Day then carry on with your blinkered ways. If anything, that is more uneducated than myself knowing the truth...

Seasons Greetings!
[quote][p][bold]Luckylady09[/bold] wrote: Reading these posts have got me wound up, "rich toffs" i for one nor my family are "rich toffs" far from it, i personally think the hunt is a beautiful site to see, and people saying that they dont have a big turn out at the meets are totally wrong!! Have you ever actually been out and had a look??? The fact that the hunts are aslo giving people a job also goes un noticed! If you dont like it atay away simple as! I love the hunt !![/p][/quote]The class issue (or rich toffs as you so elegantly put it) hasn't been mentioned since the early hours of Monday morning. So please can you stop trolling? No one has been bothered about the class war since you just mentioned it... If you have read my last (but one) post you will see that I have been out and spoken to the supporters of the hunt at the hunt meets - please read it correctly before throwing your toys out of the pram! You mention the employment issue - which is what I have mentioned too. Such a large scale of tradition and employment built up around brutally killing an animal since the 1600's will undoubtably upset people if the ban continues - just like banning smoking or fast food... They've been around for so long that people can't cope without them being there! You say that the hunt is a beautiful site? Have you witnessed the killing of a fox or do you just like seeing the political propaganda of Santa on horseback dressed up in all it's festive jovialities on Boxing Day? Because that's exactly what it is! Political speech and propaganda: like presidents hugging and kissing babies in front of adoring crowds while behind closed doors they have the big red button in which to blow up a country with an atomic blast... Words of wisdom from George Orwell: "In our time, political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. Things like the continuance of British rule in India, the Russian purges and deportations, the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan, can indeed be defended, but only by arguments which are too brutal for most people to face, and which do not square with the professed aims of the political parties. Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism., question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness. Defenseless villages are bombarded from the air, the inhabitants driven out into the countryside, the cattle machine-gunned, the huts set on fire with incendiary bullets: this is called pacification. Millions of peasants are robbed of their farms and sent trudging along the roads with no more than they can carry: this is called transfer of population or rectification of frontiers. People are imprisoned for years without trial, or shot in the back of the neck or sent to die of scurvy in Arctic lumber camps: this is called elimination of unreliable elements. Such phraseology is needed if one wants to name things without calling up mental pictures of them" Such phraseology is needed if one wants to name things without calling up mental pictures of them. The hunt brigade know full well that their "sport" is indefensible (at least in terms of what decent people everywhere consider defensible). They know that what they are doing is wrong; they don't want you to know it's wrong; and most importantly, they don't want to admit to themselves that it's wrong! There is just one problem here: you can lie to others, but you can not lie to yourself. Every action carries its consequences, much as one would rather avoid said consequences. Unlike the deer hunter who actually hunts for meat or to kill for conservation; in fox hunting the killing of the fox IS the whole point. What is the point of giving it chance to get away if it is vermin? And what is the point of wanting it to get away if the aim is to kill it for sport? The hunt don't do it for the meat (because let's face it - wouldn't something that eats mainly small rodents and road-kill taste just great?) or even for the fur (not much a furrier could do with what's left after a huntsman's pack has done with ripping apart a fox). It's solely about the killing. And not just any killing; cruel, brutal, sadistic killing at that. It isn't what's portrayed in the movies: elegant gentlemen in their "pinks", riding beautiful horses to perky hounds across a pristine country-side. It's a **** dirty business of some truly ugly people, despite how "elegant" and "dignified" they may look on the outside. The propaganda that the fox is killed quickly and humanely (or incredibly enough, that foxes are seldom actually killed) is utter bullsh!t. So, if you want to get sucked in by the country "gentlemen" who look oh so elegant, or by the bullsh!t that's dished out by the hunt to the festively, naive public on Boxing Day then carry on with your blinkered ways. If anything, that is more uneducated than myself knowing the truth... Seasons Greetings! tub_thumper

4:09pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Di Pugh says...

Ok. hunting has finally been banned because it is barbaric. Shame on hunters who constantly break this law! I will never accept that dressing up and calling it sport is anything other than sick,
Ok. hunting has finally been banned because it is barbaric. Shame on hunters who constantly break this law! I will never accept that dressing up and calling it sport is anything other than sick, Di Pugh

8:31pm Tue 31 Dec 13

New Kid on the Block says...

some of the quotes contained in this document to be quite profoundly worrying. They show that the intention behind this law was never to improve animal welfare.
For example
“This has nothing to do with animal welfare – this is for the miners.”
Dennis Skinner MP, Labour Party Conference, 26th September 2004.
or
This is a dispute we must win, having long ago ceased to be
about the fate of a few thousand deer and foxes. It’s about
who governs us. Us or them?”
Chris Mullin (former Labour MP) – A View from the Foothills (2009)
Or even
The fox hunting subject resulted in one of the domestic legislative measures I most regret. Tony A Blair, A Journey (2010)
All in all this document from the Countryside Alliance provides some very interesting reading and causes us to question the intentions of the Government of the Day.
Also let us not forget the donation received by the labour party towards their election expenses from a foreign based animal rights organisation, they received of a million pounds from a group called the Political Animal Lobby before they announced their intention to ban hunting.
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/uk/393064.stm
some of the quotes contained in this document to be quite profoundly worrying. They show that the intention behind this law was never to improve animal welfare. For example “This has nothing to do with animal welfare – this is for the miners.” Dennis Skinner MP, Labour Party Conference, 26th September 2004. or This is a dispute we must win, having long ago ceased to be about the fate of a few thousand deer and foxes. It’s about who governs us. Us or them?” Chris Mullin (former Labour MP) – A View from the Foothills (2009) Or even The fox hunting subject resulted in one of the domestic legislative measures I most regret. Tony A Blair, A Journey (2010) All in all this document from the Countryside Alliance provides some very interesting reading and causes us to question the intentions of the Government of the Day. Also let us not forget the donation received by the labour party towards their election expenses from a foreign based animal rights organisation, they received of a million pounds from a group called the Political Animal Lobby before they announced their intention to ban hunting. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk/393064.stm New Kid on the Block

5:26am Wed 1 Jan 14

New Kid on the Block says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
But what is more worrying is

http://www.countrysi

de-alliance.org.uk/c

a/file/Case_for_Repe

al_2011.pdf

The CA is powerful lobby (and includes members in all classes of our society) and has the tacit support of the PM.

BTW the CA is not averse to using distressing images of "fox-kills" Page 10 show a dead lamb with a bloody wound on its neck - the incidents of foxes killing lambs/sheep are apocryphal. More like a domestic dog killed that lamb! But heck, never let the truth get in the way of a campaign!
Don't know what happened with my previous comment but the quote I meant to include from Imustbeoldiwearacap was not included.
It makes much more sense if you actually know what I was referring to so please read this quote in conjunction with my previous posting.
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: But what is more worrying is http://www.countrysi de-alliance.org.uk/c a/file/Case_for_Repe al_2011.pdf The CA is powerful lobby (and includes members in all classes of our society) and has the tacit support of the PM. BTW the CA is not averse to using distressing images of "fox-kills" Page 10 show a dead lamb with a bloody wound on its neck - the incidents of foxes killing lambs/sheep are apocryphal. More like a domestic dog killed that lamb! But heck, never let the truth get in the way of a campaign![/p][/quote]Don't know what happened with my previous comment but the quote I meant to include from Imustbeoldiwearacap was not included. It makes much more sense if you actually know what I was referring to so please read this quote in conjunction with my previous posting. New Kid on the Block

2:17pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Guy66 says...

nicki1967 wrote:
Guy66 wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?
It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue.

There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.
Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?!
First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue.

The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred.

Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.
So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.
If you were even remotely middle class you might begin to understand that this is not a pass time of the rich or middle or working classes. It allows and welcomes all levels to take part, support and profit from the 'sport'. Getting rid of vermin is the main reason for killing the foxes. I guess most of the uneducated blinkered people commenting on here would prefer the use of poisons or guns. The result is the same but with this sport the fox has some possibility of getting away!
I am neither uneducated or blinkered. Foxes are not vermin. They are wildlife and need to survive. Is it their fault that the 'human' race has taken away so much of their habitat? Yes, they will kill chickens and sheep that are being kept by farmers. Again, it's survival. The keepers of said chickens and sheep are going to be killed anyway in all probability for profit. It still does not give people the right to go hunting them as a 'sport'.
Now if anyone other than the narrow-minded idiot brigade would like anymore facts then I will be pleased to provide them.
"Narrow minded idiot brigade" - nice. So as an educated individual you felt the need to sink to insults. Remember insulting people when you can't get your own way is the natural level of the incompetent.
[quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: If Hunting is supposed to be so unpopular why is it that every time they organise a public event a huge crowd of supporters turns up?[/p][/quote]It is popular but as ever it is the vocal left and bunny huggers that make so much noise about an insignificant issue. There is probably more cruelty in horse or grey hound racing but this along with Football are seen as good working class pursuits.[/p][/quote]Vocal left and bunny huggers?! What world do you live in?? Horse and greyhound racing is also cruel and should not be regarded as a sport. How on earth can you compare them to football?. At least football players are allowed to make their own decisions to go onto a pitch and kick a ball around. They also make a great deal of money out of it. What do the horses, greyhounds, foxes, etc get out of any of this ridiculous and outdated practice besides a sad and painful death?![/p][/quote]First, I did not say that hunting wasn't cruel just that this is a relatively insignificant issue. The level of abuse the supporters of this sport receive is totally absurd and in most is fueled by class hatred. Football is morally corrupt and probably does more harm to society than chasing a few foxes.[/p][/quote]So now it's a class thing. I am, myself, middle class and even if I was one of these upper class idiots I would still not consider hunting 'relatively insignificant'. Supporters of these blood sports are immoral. What gives the so-called upper class the right to look down their noses at those of us who have morals and live by them. You say that football is morally corrupt. Well, let's face it, wherever people with too much money (probably inherited) are concerned there will always be corruption. Hence the hunting ban not being enforced.[/p][/quote]If you were even remotely middle class you might begin to understand that this is not a pass time of the rich or middle or working classes. It allows and welcomes all levels to take part, support and profit from the 'sport'. Getting rid of vermin is the main reason for killing the foxes. I guess most of the uneducated blinkered people commenting on here would prefer the use of poisons or guns. The result is the same but with this sport the fox has some possibility of getting away![/p][/quote]I am neither uneducated or blinkered. Foxes are not vermin. They are wildlife and need to survive. Is it their fault that the 'human' race has taken away so much of their habitat? Yes, they will kill chickens and sheep that are being kept by farmers. Again, it's survival. The keepers of said chickens and sheep are going to be killed anyway in all probability for profit. It still does not give people the right to go hunting them as a 'sport'. Now if anyone other than the narrow-minded idiot brigade would like anymore facts then I will be pleased to provide them.[/p][/quote]"Narrow minded idiot brigade" - nice. So as an educated individual you felt the need to sink to insults. Remember insulting people when you can't get your own way is the natural level of the incompetent. Guy66

5:05pm Wed 1 Jan 14

tub_thumper says...

Guy66 wrote:
sunnside wrote:
rich toffs killing a helpless animal
A comment from a clueless moron unable to look at the whole picture!
So you don't use insults either...?!
"Clueless moron" were your words to someone else last Sunday. Yeah, maybe they did use a generic stereotype by using the phrase "rich toffs". But that really wasn't an insult. Clearly you retaliated by making a personal attack to this person. Talk about contradiction...
[quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sunnside[/bold] wrote: rich toffs killing a helpless animal[/p][/quote]A comment from a clueless moron unable to look at the whole picture![/p][/quote]So you don't use insults either...?! "Clueless moron" were your words to someone else last Sunday. Yeah, maybe they did use a generic stereotype by using the phrase "rich toffs". But that really wasn't an insult. Clearly you retaliated by making a personal attack to this person. Talk about contradiction... tub_thumper

10:49pm Wed 1 Jan 14

tub_thumper says...

This makes interesting reading:

"Hunt Saboteurs Association News Release 30th December 2013"
Hunt saboteurs from the Northants and West Midlands groups visited the Oakley hunt on Saturday 28/12/2013. On their arrival the hunt were clearly hunting foxes and the sabs had to intervene to enable an animal to escape. Shortly after this a police helicopter arrived, which it later transpired was called in from Leicestershire expressly for this incident.

The helicopter repeatedly flew very low over the sabs heads and purposely placed itself between the sabs and the hunt to enable the hunt to get away. The helicopter continued to follow the sabs in this way for some time, always trying to stop them from following the hunt and then they decided to land. Once on the ground the police from the helicopter tried to detain people, but when challenged had no answer as to why they were doing this. The sabs continued to follow the hunt and eventually the police helicopter left about forty-five minutes later.

Simultaneously six police cars were also surrounding the sab vehicle and members of the public were stopping to see what incident had led to such a high police presence.

Lee Moon, spokesperson for the Hunt Saboteurs Association, stated: “It beggars belief that in times of austerity the Police are willing to waste so much public money protecting illegal hunting. We can only assume that members of the Oakley Hunt have friends high up in Northamptonshire police and we wonder how local residents feel about their council tax being misused in this way.”

Also...

"Fox Saved From Death At Dig-Out - Hunt Saboteurs Association News Release 30/12/2013"
On Saturday December 28th hunt saboteurs from Yorkshire attended a Pony Club meet of the York & Ainsty South Foxhounds at Escrick Park.

Three foxes that were deliberately hunted were aided in their escape by the sabs through the course of the day and, as the sun was going down, three terrier men were found just as they were about to finish digging the second fox out of an active badger sett.
The sabs began to obstruct the men from continuing this illegal activity and the situation began to escalate, with about 8-10 more men with spades soon arriving at the scene. One sab was smashed in the head with the pistol the men planned to shoot the fox with and was also knocked down in a field by the men’s pickup truck. The sabs were not deterred by this, fought off the attackers and stood their ground.

On stopping the dig-out the sabs had to prize a terrier from the fox as it had locked on to the fox’s face. Sabs then had to help the fox free from the earth as the earth around it had been caved in, leaving only its head exposed. The fox escaped with little visable injury, the terrier’s face was badly wounded from fighting the fox.

Lee Moon, spokesperson for the Hunt Saboteurs Association, stated: “Only two days after Boxing Day we see the real face of fox hunting. Boxing Day is the sanitized, media friendly press stunt that the hunting community use each year to pull the wool over the eyes of the British public. This is the grim reality of what occurs the rest of the time when the media spotlight is elsewhere. Escrick Park are a major supporter of the York and Ainsty South Hunt and are just as guilty as they allow these illegal acts to take place on their land. We call on them to ban the hunt from their estate before they become embroiled in any legal action taken against the hunt.”
This makes interesting reading: "Hunt Saboteurs Association News Release 30th December 2013" Hunt saboteurs from the Northants and West Midlands groups visited the Oakley hunt on Saturday 28/12/2013. On their arrival the hunt were clearly hunting foxes and the sabs had to intervene to enable an animal to escape. Shortly after this a police helicopter arrived, which it later transpired was called in from Leicestershire expressly for this incident. The helicopter repeatedly flew very low over the sabs heads and purposely placed itself between the sabs and the hunt to enable the hunt to get away. The helicopter continued to follow the sabs in this way for some time, always trying to stop them from following the hunt and then they decided to land. Once on the ground the police from the helicopter tried to detain people, but when challenged had no answer as to why they were doing this. The sabs continued to follow the hunt and eventually the police helicopter left about forty-five minutes later. Simultaneously six police cars were also surrounding the sab vehicle and members of the public were stopping to see what incident had led to such a high police presence. Lee Moon, spokesperson for the Hunt Saboteurs Association, stated: “It beggars belief that in times of austerity the Police are willing to waste so much public money protecting illegal hunting. We can only assume that members of the Oakley Hunt have friends high up in Northamptonshire police and we wonder how local residents feel about their council tax being misused in this way.” Also... "Fox Saved From Death At Dig-Out - Hunt Saboteurs Association News Release 30/12/2013" On Saturday December 28th hunt saboteurs from Yorkshire attended a Pony Club meet of the York & Ainsty South Foxhounds at Escrick Park. Three foxes that were deliberately hunted were aided in their escape by the sabs through the course of the day and, as the sun was going down, three terrier men were found just as they were about to finish digging the second fox out of an active badger sett. The sabs began to obstruct the men from continuing this illegal activity and the situation began to escalate, with about 8-10 more men with spades soon arriving at the scene. One sab was smashed in the head with the pistol the men planned to shoot the fox with and was also knocked down in a field by the men’s pickup truck. The sabs were not deterred by this, fought off the attackers and stood their ground. On stopping the dig-out the sabs had to prize a terrier from the fox as it had locked on to the fox’s face. Sabs then had to help the fox free from the earth as the earth around it had been caved in, leaving only its head exposed. The fox escaped with little visable injury, the terrier’s face was badly wounded from fighting the fox. Lee Moon, spokesperson for the Hunt Saboteurs Association, stated: “Only two days after Boxing Day we see the real face of fox hunting. Boxing Day is the sanitized, media friendly press stunt that the hunting community use each year to pull the wool over the eyes of the British public. This is the grim reality of what occurs the rest of the time when the media spotlight is elsewhere. Escrick Park are a major supporter of the York and Ainsty South Hunt and are just as guilty as they allow these illegal acts to take place on their land. We call on them to ban the hunt from their estate before they become embroiled in any legal action taken against the hunt.” tub_thumper

9:42am Thu 2 Jan 14

New Kid on the Block says...

tub_thumper wrote:
This makes interesting reading:

"Hunt Saboteurs Association News Release 30th December 2013"
Hunt saboteurs from the Northants and West Midlands groups visited the Oakley hunt on Saturday 28/12/2013. On their arrival the hunt were clearly hunting foxes and the sabs had to intervene to enable an animal to escape. Shortly after this a police helicopter arrived, which it later transpired was called in from Leicestershire expressly for this incident.

The helicopter repeatedly flew very low over the sabs heads and purposely placed itself between the sabs and the hunt to enable the hunt to get away. The helicopter continued to follow the sabs in this way for some time, always trying to stop them from following the hunt and then they decided to land. Once on the ground the police from the helicopter tried to detain people, but when challenged had no answer as to why they were doing this. The sabs continued to follow the hunt and eventually the police helicopter left about forty-five minutes later.

Simultaneously six police cars were also surrounding the sab vehicle and members of the public were stopping to see what incident had led to such a high police presence.

Lee Moon, spokesperson for the Hunt Saboteurs Association, stated: “It beggars belief that in times of austerity the Police are willing to waste so much public money protecting illegal hunting. We can only assume that members of the Oakley Hunt have friends high up in Northamptonshire police and we wonder how local residents feel about their council tax being misused in this way.”

Also...

"Fox Saved From Death At Dig-Out - Hunt Saboteurs Association News Release 30/12/2013"
On Saturday December 28th hunt saboteurs from Yorkshire attended a Pony Club meet of the York & Ainsty South Foxhounds at Escrick Park.

Three foxes that were deliberately hunted were aided in their escape by the sabs through the course of the day and, as the sun was going down, three terrier men were found just as they were about to finish digging the second fox out of an active badger sett.
The sabs began to obstruct the men from continuing this illegal activity and the situation began to escalate, with about 8-10 more men with spades soon arriving at the scene. One sab was smashed in the head with the pistol the men planned to shoot the fox with and was also knocked down in a field by the men’s pickup truck. The sabs were not deterred by this, fought off the attackers and stood their ground.

On stopping the dig-out the sabs had to prize a terrier from the fox as it had locked on to the fox’s face. Sabs then had to help the fox free from the earth as the earth around it had been caved in, leaving only its head exposed. The fox escaped with little visable injury, the terrier’s face was badly wounded from fighting the fox.

Lee Moon, spokesperson for the Hunt Saboteurs Association, stated: “Only two days after Boxing Day we see the real face of fox hunting. Boxing Day is the sanitized, media friendly press stunt that the hunting community use each year to pull the wool over the eyes of the British public. This is the grim reality of what occurs the rest of the time when the media spotlight is elsewhere. Escrick Park are a major supporter of the York and Ainsty South Hunt and are just as guilty as they allow these illegal acts to take place on their land. We call on them to ban the hunt from their estate before they become embroiled in any legal action taken against the hunt.”
Usual unsubstantiated claims from the Sabs.
We are now meant to believe that the Police are actively supporting Law Breakers. I am sure that they would have something to say about such claims. Also ownership of a pistol is illegal with a mandatory jail sentence.
Your claims are getting more and more extreme and unbelievable so please carry on with your extremist remarks. The more extreme they get the more harm you do to your cause.
Please feel free to continue posting about atomic blasts and people being shot in the neck.
Add to this the claims that have been made in this thread by imustbeoldiwearacap that foxes don't kill lambs and increasing numbers of level headed people will start to see through the extremist propaganda and realise that it is time for the repeal of this bad law. One that was not made for reasons of animal welfare. It has been admitted by a number of MPs that animal welfare had nothing to do with passing this law.
Don't forget the million pound donation from the Political Animal Lobby to the labour party, who at the time were often referred to as "the best government money could buy".
[quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: This makes interesting reading: "Hunt Saboteurs Association News Release 30th December 2013" Hunt saboteurs from the Northants and West Midlands groups visited the Oakley hunt on Saturday 28/12/2013. On their arrival the hunt were clearly hunting foxes and the sabs had to intervene to enable an animal to escape. Shortly after this a police helicopter arrived, which it later transpired was called in from Leicestershire expressly for this incident. The helicopter repeatedly flew very low over the sabs heads and purposely placed itself between the sabs and the hunt to enable the hunt to get away. The helicopter continued to follow the sabs in this way for some time, always trying to stop them from following the hunt and then they decided to land. Once on the ground the police from the helicopter tried to detain people, but when challenged had no answer as to why they were doing this. The sabs continued to follow the hunt and eventually the police helicopter left about forty-five minutes later. Simultaneously six police cars were also surrounding the sab vehicle and members of the public were stopping to see what incident had led to such a high police presence. Lee Moon, spokesperson for the Hunt Saboteurs Association, stated: “It beggars belief that in times of austerity the Police are willing to waste so much public money protecting illegal hunting. We can only assume that members of the Oakley Hunt have friends high up in Northamptonshire police and we wonder how local residents feel about their council tax being misused in this way.” Also... "Fox Saved From Death At Dig-Out - Hunt Saboteurs Association News Release 30/12/2013" On Saturday December 28th hunt saboteurs from Yorkshire attended a Pony Club meet of the York & Ainsty South Foxhounds at Escrick Park. Three foxes that were deliberately hunted were aided in their escape by the sabs through the course of the day and, as the sun was going down, three terrier men were found just as they were about to finish digging the second fox out of an active badger sett. The sabs began to obstruct the men from continuing this illegal activity and the situation began to escalate, with about 8-10 more men with spades soon arriving at the scene. One sab was smashed in the head with the pistol the men planned to shoot the fox with and was also knocked down in a field by the men’s pickup truck. The sabs were not deterred by this, fought off the attackers and stood their ground. On stopping the dig-out the sabs had to prize a terrier from the fox as it had locked on to the fox’s face. Sabs then had to help the fox free from the earth as the earth around it had been caved in, leaving only its head exposed. The fox escaped with little visable injury, the terrier’s face was badly wounded from fighting the fox. Lee Moon, spokesperson for the Hunt Saboteurs Association, stated: “Only two days after Boxing Day we see the real face of fox hunting. Boxing Day is the sanitized, media friendly press stunt that the hunting community use each year to pull the wool over the eyes of the British public. This is the grim reality of what occurs the rest of the time when the media spotlight is elsewhere. Escrick Park are a major supporter of the York and Ainsty South Hunt and are just as guilty as they allow these illegal acts to take place on their land. We call on them to ban the hunt from their estate before they become embroiled in any legal action taken against the hunt.”[/p][/quote]Usual unsubstantiated claims from the Sabs. We are now meant to believe that the Police are actively supporting Law Breakers. I am sure that they would have something to say about such claims. Also ownership of a pistol is illegal with a mandatory jail sentence. Your claims are getting more and more extreme and unbelievable so please carry on with your extremist remarks. The more extreme they get the more harm you do to your cause. Please feel free to continue posting about atomic blasts and people being shot in the neck. Add to this the claims that have been made in this thread by imustbeoldiwearacap that foxes don't kill lambs and increasing numbers of level headed people will start to see through the extremist propaganda and realise that it is time for the repeal of this bad law. One that was not made for reasons of animal welfare. It has been admitted by a number of MPs that animal welfare had nothing to do with passing this law. Don't forget the million pound donation from the Political Animal Lobby to the labour party, who at the time were often referred to as "the best government money could buy". New Kid on the Block

10:25am Thu 2 Jan 14

tub_thumper says...

Not my claims... Just relaying what's been reported. If you go to the hunt sabs website then you'll see photos to support the reports. If you think that it is propaganda then I could easily copy and paste some claims from the Countryside Allience website. Each to their own...
Not my claims... Just relaying what's been reported. If you go to the hunt sabs website then you'll see photos to support the reports. If you think that it is propaganda then I could easily copy and paste some claims from the Countryside Allience website. Each to their own... tub_thumper

10:28am Thu 2 Jan 14

tub_thumper says...

And the "atomic blasts" thing is not my quote. It's by George Orwell. You need to read it properly...
And the "atomic blasts" thing is not my quote. It's by George Orwell. You need to read it properly... tub_thumper

12:32pm Thu 2 Jan 14

pinkfluff says...

New Kid on the Block wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
This makes interesting reading:

"Hunt Saboteurs Association News Release 30th December 2013"
Hunt saboteurs from the Northants and West Midlands groups visited the Oakley hunt on Saturday 28/12/2013. On their arrival the hunt were clearly hunting foxes and the sabs had to intervene to enable an animal to escape. Shortly after this a police helicopter arrived, which it later transpired was called in from Leicestershire expressly for this incident.

The helicopter repeatedly flew very low over the sabs heads and purposely placed itself between the sabs and the hunt to enable the hunt to get away. The helicopter continued to follow the sabs in this way for some time, always trying to stop them from following the hunt and then they decided to land. Once on the ground the police from the helicopter tried to detain people, but when challenged had no answer as to why they were doing this. The sabs continued to follow the hunt and eventually the police helicopter left about forty-five minutes later.

Simultaneously six police cars were also surrounding the sab vehicle and members of the public were stopping to see what incident had led to such a high police presence.

Lee Moon, spokesperson for the Hunt Saboteurs Association, stated: “It beggars belief that in times of austerity the Police are willing to waste so much public money protecting illegal hunting. We can only assume that members of the Oakley Hunt have friends high up in Northamptonshire police and we wonder how local residents feel about their council tax being misused in this way.”

Also...

"Fox Saved From Death At Dig-Out - Hunt Saboteurs Association News Release 30/12/2013"
On Saturday December 28th hunt saboteurs from Yorkshire attended a Pony Club meet of the York & Ainsty South Foxhounds at Escrick Park.

Three foxes that were deliberately hunted were aided in their escape by the sabs through the course of the day and, as the sun was going down, three terrier men were found just as they were about to finish digging the second fox out of an active badger sett.
The sabs began to obstruct the men from continuing this illegal activity and the situation began to escalate, with about 8-10 more men with spades soon arriving at the scene. One sab was smashed in the head with the pistol the men planned to shoot the fox with and was also knocked down in a field by the men’s pickup truck. The sabs were not deterred by this, fought off the attackers and stood their ground.

On stopping the dig-out the sabs had to prize a terrier from the fox as it had locked on to the fox’s face. Sabs then had to help the fox free from the earth as the earth around it had been caved in, leaving only its head exposed. The fox escaped with little visable injury, the terrier’s face was badly wounded from fighting the fox.

Lee Moon, spokesperson for the Hunt Saboteurs Association, stated: “Only two days after Boxing Day we see the real face of fox hunting. Boxing Day is the sanitized, media friendly press stunt that the hunting community use each year to pull the wool over the eyes of the British public. This is the grim reality of what occurs the rest of the time when the media spotlight is elsewhere. Escrick Park are a major supporter of the York and Ainsty South Hunt and are just as guilty as they allow these illegal acts to take place on their land. We call on them to ban the hunt from their estate before they become embroiled in any legal action taken against the hunt.”
Usual unsubstantiated claims from the Sabs.
We are now meant to believe that the Police are actively supporting Law Breakers. I am sure that they would have something to say about such claims. Also ownership of a pistol is illegal with a mandatory jail sentence.
Your claims are getting more and more extreme and unbelievable so please carry on with your extremist remarks. The more extreme they get the more harm you do to your cause.
Please feel free to continue posting about atomic blasts and people being shot in the neck.
Add to this the claims that have been made in this thread by imustbeoldiwearacap that foxes don't kill lambs and increasing numbers of level headed people will start to see through the extremist propaganda and realise that it is time for the repeal of this bad law. One that was not made for reasons of animal welfare. It has been admitted by a number of MPs that animal welfare had nothing to do with passing this law.
Don't forget the million pound donation from the Political Animal Lobby to the labour party, who at the time were often referred to as "the best government money could buy".
People prefer to hear what they believe is true and in this instance I think that you are being a little naive new kid. Just my humble opinion.
[quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: This makes interesting reading: "Hunt Saboteurs Association News Release 30th December 2013" Hunt saboteurs from the Northants and West Midlands groups visited the Oakley hunt on Saturday 28/12/2013. On their arrival the hunt were clearly hunting foxes and the sabs had to intervene to enable an animal to escape. Shortly after this a police helicopter arrived, which it later transpired was called in from Leicestershire expressly for this incident. The helicopter repeatedly flew very low over the sabs heads and purposely placed itself between the sabs and the hunt to enable the hunt to get away. The helicopter continued to follow the sabs in this way for some time, always trying to stop them from following the hunt and then they decided to land. Once on the ground the police from the helicopter tried to detain people, but when challenged had no answer as to why they were doing this. The sabs continued to follow the hunt and eventually the police helicopter left about forty-five minutes later. Simultaneously six police cars were also surrounding the sab vehicle and members of the public were stopping to see what incident had led to such a high police presence. Lee Moon, spokesperson for the Hunt Saboteurs Association, stated: “It beggars belief that in times of austerity the Police are willing to waste so much public money protecting illegal hunting. We can only assume that members of the Oakley Hunt have friends high up in Northamptonshire police and we wonder how local residents feel about their council tax being misused in this way.” Also... "Fox Saved From Death At Dig-Out - Hunt Saboteurs Association News Release 30/12/2013" On Saturday December 28th hunt saboteurs from Yorkshire attended a Pony Club meet of the York & Ainsty South Foxhounds at Escrick Park. Three foxes that were deliberately hunted were aided in their escape by the sabs through the course of the day and, as the sun was going down, three terrier men were found just as they were about to finish digging the second fox out of an active badger sett. The sabs began to obstruct the men from continuing this illegal activity and the situation began to escalate, with about 8-10 more men with spades soon arriving at the scene. One sab was smashed in the head with the pistol the men planned to shoot the fox with and was also knocked down in a field by the men’s pickup truck. The sabs were not deterred by this, fought off the attackers and stood their ground. On stopping the dig-out the sabs had to prize a terrier from the fox as it had locked on to the fox’s face. Sabs then had to help the fox free from the earth as the earth around it had been caved in, leaving only its head exposed. The fox escaped with little visable injury, the terrier’s face was badly wounded from fighting the fox. Lee Moon, spokesperson for the Hunt Saboteurs Association, stated: “Only two days after Boxing Day we see the real face of fox hunting. Boxing Day is the sanitized, media friendly press stunt that the hunting community use each year to pull the wool over the eyes of the British public. This is the grim reality of what occurs the rest of the time when the media spotlight is elsewhere. Escrick Park are a major supporter of the York and Ainsty South Hunt and are just as guilty as they allow these illegal acts to take place on their land. We call on them to ban the hunt from their estate before they become embroiled in any legal action taken against the hunt.”[/p][/quote]Usual unsubstantiated claims from the Sabs. We are now meant to believe that the Police are actively supporting Law Breakers. I am sure that they would have something to say about such claims. Also ownership of a pistol is illegal with a mandatory jail sentence. Your claims are getting more and more extreme and unbelievable so please carry on with your extremist remarks. The more extreme they get the more harm you do to your cause. Please feel free to continue posting about atomic blasts and people being shot in the neck. Add to this the claims that have been made in this thread by imustbeoldiwearacap that foxes don't kill lambs and increasing numbers of level headed people will start to see through the extremist propaganda and realise that it is time for the repeal of this bad law. One that was not made for reasons of animal welfare. It has been admitted by a number of MPs that animal welfare had nothing to do with passing this law. Don't forget the million pound donation from the Political Animal Lobby to the labour party, who at the time were often referred to as "the best government money could buy".[/p][/quote]People prefer to hear what they believe is true and in this instance I think that you are being a little naive new kid. Just my humble opinion. pinkfluff

1:09pm Thu 2 Jan 14

tub_thumper says...

You took the words right out of my mouth pinkfluff 😊
You took the words right out of my mouth pinkfluff 😊 tub_thumper

4:31pm Thu 2 Jan 14

New Kid on the Block says...

Which part or parts of my comment are you denying?
I can assure you that I am certainly not naive enough to believe unsubstantiated claims.
If the Sabs say that someone was doing something but present no evidence to support their claims and accuse the police of supporting the law breakers that doesn't give me any reason to believe them.
The donations to the labour party are a matter of public record just like the comments made by a number of MPs.
Which part or parts of my comment are you denying? I can assure you that I am certainly not naive enough to believe unsubstantiated claims. If the Sabs say that someone was doing something but present no evidence to support their claims and accuse the police of supporting the law breakers that doesn't give me any reason to believe them. The donations to the labour party are a matter of public record just like the comments made by a number of MPs. New Kid on the Block

10:03pm Thu 2 Jan 14

tub_thumper says...

New Kid on the Block wrote:
Which part or parts of my comment are you denying?
I can assure you that I am certainly not naive enough to believe unsubstantiated claims.
If the Sabs say that someone was doing something but present no evidence to support their claims and accuse the police of supporting the law breakers that doesn't give me any reason to believe them.
The donations to the labour party are a matter of public record just like the comments made by a number of MPs.
Believe all you want. They have photos and videos. And if you type "hunt sab footage" on YouTube then you'll also see more. It's up to you to believe ACTUAL evidence...
[quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: Which part or parts of my comment are you denying? I can assure you that I am certainly not naive enough to believe unsubstantiated claims. If the Sabs say that someone was doing something but present no evidence to support their claims and accuse the police of supporting the law breakers that doesn't give me any reason to believe them. The donations to the labour party are a matter of public record just like the comments made by a number of MPs.[/p][/quote]Believe all you want. They have photos and videos. And if you type "hunt sab footage" on YouTube then you'll also see more. It's up to you to believe ACTUAL evidence... tub_thumper

5:18pm Fri 3 Jan 14

New Kid on the Block says...

This would be the evidence that has on a number of occasions been rejected by the courts.
The supposed photos of a fox being saved being a good example. All they show is that some people dug a hole and someone took a photo of a fox in what appears to be a different hole. To prove anything the original unaltered digital images would be needed.
The quotes from the Countryside Alliance are all verifiable comments from the likes of Tony Bliar etc.
Are you denying the million pound payment from the Political Animal Lobby, because the Labour Party don't deny receiving it.
I shall allow you to return to cloud cuckoo land and choose what you would like to believe, as you obviously don't believe in proper peer reviewed evidence.
This would be the evidence that has on a number of occasions been rejected by the courts. The supposed photos of a fox being saved being a good example. All they show is that some people dug a hole and someone took a photo of a fox in what appears to be a different hole. To prove anything the original unaltered digital images would be needed. The quotes from the Countryside Alliance are all verifiable comments from the likes of Tony Bliar etc. Are you denying the million pound payment from the Political Animal Lobby, because the Labour Party don't deny receiving it. I shall allow you to return to cloud cuckoo land and choose what you would like to believe, as you obviously don't believe in proper peer reviewed evidence. New Kid on the Block

6:32pm Fri 3 Jan 14

tub_thumper says...

You are entitled to your opinion. Unlike you, I don't just rely on photo, video and journalistic articles as evidence. If you've read my previous comments properly you will see that I've been out there, talked to the people (without being bias) and witnessed events with my own eyes.

It's up to you to believe me or not. Unfortunately I don't believe you either. So, should we continue with the debate? No point now. You've expressed your opinion and I've expressed mine. We probably should agree to disagree...
You are entitled to your opinion. Unlike you, I don't just rely on photo, video and journalistic articles as evidence. If you've read my previous comments properly you will see that I've been out there, talked to the people (without being bias) and witnessed events with my own eyes. It's up to you to believe me or not. Unfortunately I don't believe you either. So, should we continue with the debate? No point now. You've expressed your opinion and I've expressed mine. We probably should agree to disagree... tub_thumper

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