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12:58pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Spetchley Dave says...

Whilst the death of PC Jones is clearly very sad, I do have to ask if this is an appropriate use of taxpayers money in times when the Police resources are so stretched?

It costs around £2000 an hour to fly the Police helicopter
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-11627331

Surely there were more appropriate ways for his Police colleagues to pay respect to PC Jones.
Whilst the death of PC Jones is clearly very sad, I do have to ask if this is an appropriate use of taxpayers money in times when the Police resources are so stretched? It costs around £2000 an hour to fly the Police helicopter http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-11627331 Surely there were more appropriate ways for his Police colleagues to pay respect to PC Jones. Spetchley Dave
  • Score: -39

1:39pm Fri 1 Aug 14

BlogIT says...

Here here! Perhaps our Police and Crime Commissioner can try and explain the expenditure??
Here here! Perhaps our Police and Crime Commissioner can try and explain the expenditure?? BlogIT
  • Score: -33

2:21pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Northerngirl1954 says...

Completly agree, a death of any person is sad but to exploit tax payers money is no escuse and should be paid for by who ever agreed - just goes to show how inappropriate funds are miss used in West Mercia Force
Completly agree, a death of any person is sad but to exploit tax payers money is no escuse and should be paid for by who ever agreed - just goes to show how inappropriate funds are miss used in West Mercia Force Northerngirl1954
  • Score: -27

2:52pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Ronnie6704 says...

Perhaps without West Mercia confirming the actual reason for it flying as there maybe a crime in progress Worcester News are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5?
Perhaps without West Mercia confirming the actual reason for it flying as there maybe a crime in progress Worcester News are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5? Ronnie6704
  • Score: 31

3:01pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Chooseanothersubject says...

Largely because the people you're criticising keep you safe from the reality of life and you will probably fail to acknowledge the danger they face, have you considered they were there because very, very sadly that funeral could or would be a target for some sections of society? No. Thought not. The police, whatever your opinion of them are not in the habit of flying around for fun or as some glorified showcase at a funeral. Go back to your daytime TV.
Largely because the people you're criticising keep you safe from the reality of life and you will probably fail to acknowledge the danger they face, have you considered they were there because very, very sadly that funeral could or would be a target for some sections of society? No. Thought not. The police, whatever your opinion of them are not in the habit of flying around for fun or as some glorified showcase at a funeral. Go back to your daytime TV. Chooseanothersubject
  • Score: 67

3:03pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Chooseanothersubject says...

Northerngirl1954 wrote:
Completly agree, a death of any person is sad but to exploit tax payers money is no escuse and should be paid for by who ever agreed - just goes to show how inappropriate funds are miss used in West Mercia Force
Trying spell check first. Might make your comments more credible
[quote][p][bold]Northerngirl1954[/bold] wrote: Completly agree, a death of any person is sad but to exploit tax payers money is no escuse and should be paid for by who ever agreed - just goes to show how inappropriate funds are miss used in West Mercia Force[/p][/quote]Trying spell check first. Might make your comments more credible Chooseanothersubject
  • Score: -7

3:42pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Toby Shergold, West Mercia Police says...

Dear all

I can confirm the police helicopter was used to monitor traffic flow in the centre of Worcester. PC Jones's funeral took place at St George's on Barbourne Road and as with any other such event taking place on one of the main routes in an out of the centre, we wanted to make sure the funeral did not seriously affect the day-to-day business in the city we police. Of course, if a serious incident took place elsewhere, the helicopter would have been able to deploy to any other more pressing needs.
Dear all I can confirm the police helicopter was used to monitor traffic flow in the centre of Worcester. PC Jones's funeral took place at St George's on Barbourne Road and as with any other such event taking place on one of the main routes in an out of the centre, we wanted to make sure the funeral did not seriously affect the day-to-day business in the city we police. Of course, if a serious incident took place elsewhere, the helicopter would have been able to deploy to any other more pressing needs. Toby Shergold, West Mercia Police
  • Score: 69

3:55pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Moll1234 says...

I think some people may forget (or not realise) all the work the police do and the huge amounts of money spent on the non tax paying members of society and forget that Police Officers pay tax...... I'm sure officers throughout the country will support its use today.
My thought to PC Jones' family xx
I think some people may forget (or not realise) all the work the police do and the huge amounts of money spent on the non tax paying members of society and forget that Police Officers pay tax...... I'm sure officers throughout the country will support its use today. My thought to PC Jones' family xx Moll1234
  • Score: 46

4:35pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Applepicker says...

I remember seeing the police helicopter monitoring slow moving traffic on the A449 between Worcester and Hartlebury last year. Strangely enough, it was for a the funeral of a traveller where the hearse was horse-drawn and many of the mourners were in pony drawn traps... No one moaned at the police then, or were moaning about wasting tax payers money.

In fact, they would have been criticised if they had not kept the route monitored and free flowing. It seems the police can't do right for doing wrong.

Presumably many police officers will have taken leave or time off work today to attend this funeral, therefore there will be fewer police cars and feet on the ground to monitor the traffic/congestion etc. The use of the helicopter in these circumstances is probably a lot cheaper than paying overtime for officers to come in and work on their days off as traffic marshalls.

Well done Toby Shergold for keeping us up to date.
I remember seeing the police helicopter monitoring slow moving traffic on the A449 between Worcester and Hartlebury last year. Strangely enough, it was for a the funeral of a traveller where the hearse was horse-drawn and many of the mourners were in pony drawn traps... No one moaned at the police then, or were moaning about wasting tax payers money. In fact, they would have been criticised if they had not kept the route monitored and free flowing. It seems the police can't do right for doing wrong. Presumably many police officers will have taken leave or time off work today to attend this funeral, therefore there will be fewer police cars and feet on the ground to monitor the traffic/congestion etc. The use of the helicopter in these circumstances is probably a lot cheaper than paying overtime for officers to come in and work on their days off as traffic marshalls. Well done Toby Shergold for keeping us up to date. Applepicker
  • Score: 43

4:59pm Fri 1 Aug 14

mrloverman says...

Well done Worcester News. More top notch reporting.
Well done Worcester News. More top notch reporting. mrloverman
  • Score: 6

5:19pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Pippa2uk says...

As usual people's first thoughts are to criticise the police rather than await the true facts. This is a person's funeral.....surely that's what we should be focused on rather than debating about wasting tax payers money blah blah blah. Not helped with the inaccurate reporting by the WN. Seems like they might be trying to stir up a debate which is sadly taking focus away from the real news...
As usual people's first thoughts are to criticise the police rather than await the true facts. This is a person's funeral.....surely that's what we should be focused on rather than debating about wasting tax payers money blah blah blah. Not helped with the inaccurate reporting by the WN. Seems like they might be trying to stir up a debate which is sadly taking focus away from the real news... Pippa2uk
  • Score: 18

5:23pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Applepicker says...

mrloverman wrote:
Well done Worcester News. More top notch reporting.
Good point mrloverman.

WORCESTER NEWS - Are you able to tell us, on what basis you reported that the "helicopter is overhead to mark the funeral" ? - Did anyone from West Mercia Police or the National Police Air Service actually tell you this - They would be the only people who would know why the helicopter was up today, as Toby Shergold has later clarified....

Once again, Worcester News, putting two and two together and coming up with 27. You really are a disgrace to your so-called "profession" of journalism.
[quote][p][bold]mrloverman[/bold] wrote: Well done Worcester News. More top notch reporting.[/p][/quote]Good point mrloverman. WORCESTER NEWS - Are you able to tell us, on what basis you reported that the "helicopter is overhead to mark the funeral" ? - Did anyone from West Mercia Police or the National Police Air Service actually tell you this - They would be the only people who would know why the helicopter was up today, as Toby Shergold has later clarified.... Once again, Worcester News, putting two and two together and coming up with 27. You really are a disgrace to your so-called "profession" of journalism. Applepicker
  • Score: 20

5:54pm Fri 1 Aug 14

sunnside says...

This week the worcester news reported that worcester was voted the most friendly city in the country well with some of these comments about the use of an helicopter at at well loved PC funeral i have to disagree i say their selfish
This week the worcester news reported that worcester was voted the most friendly city in the country well with some of these comments about the use of an helicopter at at well loved PC funeral i have to disagree i say their selfish sunnside
  • Score: 14

7:17pm Fri 1 Aug 14

CJH says...

sunnside wrote:
This week the worcester news reported that worcester was voted the most friendly city in the country well with some of these comments about the use of an helicopter at at well loved PC funeral i have to disagree i say their selfish
That 'vote' is debatable. It was a survey carried out by a doormat company! Essentially the article was free advertising for them, but the WN managed to spin the story into 'news'. But totally agree about all the stupid mean-minded comments on here made without any facts. Very sad, but unfortunately predictable.
[quote][p][bold]sunnside[/bold] wrote: This week the worcester news reported that worcester was voted the most friendly city in the country well with some of these comments about the use of an helicopter at at well loved PC funeral i have to disagree i say their selfish[/p][/quote]That 'vote' is debatable. It was a survey carried out by a doormat company! Essentially the article was free advertising for them, but the WN managed to spin the story into 'news'. But totally agree about all the stupid mean-minded comments on here made without any facts. Very sad, but unfortunately predictable. CJH
  • Score: 12

8:33pm Fri 1 Aug 14

sensiblegeezer65 says...

Appreciate the reasons given for using the helicopter, certainly no noticeable traffic problems, and with the comment about the traveller funeral procession along the A449, proves the same rules apply to all.
But perhaps a small lesson to be learnt for the hierarchy at West Mercia Constabulary - publish a public-statement before hand re: the reasons for resources, and you'll have less negative comments.
Thoughts with the family and colleagues.
Keep up the excellent work in Worcester and beyond.
Appreciate the reasons given for using the helicopter, certainly no noticeable traffic problems, and with the comment about the traveller funeral procession along the A449, proves the same rules apply to all. But perhaps a small lesson to be learnt for the hierarchy at West Mercia Constabulary - publish a public-statement before hand re: the reasons for resources, and you'll have less negative comments. Thoughts with the family and colleagues. Keep up the excellent work in Worcester and beyond. sensiblegeezer65
  • Score: -14

8:31am Sat 2 Aug 14

Pippa2uk says...

sensiblegeezer65 wrote:
Appreciate the reasons given for using the helicopter, certainly no noticeable traffic problems, and with the comment about the traveller funeral procession along the A449, proves the same rules apply to all.
But perhaps a small lesson to be learnt for the hierarchy at West Mercia Constabulary - publish a public-statement before hand re: the reasons for resources, and you'll have less negative comments.
Thoughts with the family and colleagues.
Keep up the excellent work in Worcester and beyond.
Why at a time where they are grieving whilst preparing for a colleague and friend's funeral should they have to 'pre-empt' misguided negativity and explain resources? Each time they attend a serious road traffic collision, or a murder, or a burglary should they put a press release out prior to this about how they're resourcing it? I know that the vast majority of those officers came in on days off, took annual leave, some even returning from family holidays for the day. I suppose they should have to explain that prior to doing so too? I appreciate that tax payers want to know where money is going etc, but where do you stop having to justify everything and look at it for what it is - a well respected officers funeral which was attended by over 700 people. Surely that in itself would make it obvious that traffic issues might occur and therefore need managing. Just takes a bit of thought rather than people leaping to their keyboards to criticise what they clearly don't understand.
[quote][p][bold]sensiblegeezer65[/bold] wrote: Appreciate the reasons given for using the helicopter, certainly no noticeable traffic problems, and with the comment about the traveller funeral procession along the A449, proves the same rules apply to all. But perhaps a small lesson to be learnt for the hierarchy at West Mercia Constabulary - publish a public-statement before hand re: the reasons for resources, and you'll have less negative comments. Thoughts with the family and colleagues. Keep up the excellent work in Worcester and beyond.[/p][/quote]Why at a time where they are grieving whilst preparing for a colleague and friend's funeral should they have to 'pre-empt' misguided negativity and explain resources? Each time they attend a serious road traffic collision, or a murder, or a burglary should they put a press release out prior to this about how they're resourcing it? I know that the vast majority of those officers came in on days off, took annual leave, some even returning from family holidays for the day. I suppose they should have to explain that prior to doing so too? I appreciate that tax payers want to know where money is going etc, but where do you stop having to justify everything and look at it for what it is - a well respected officers funeral which was attended by over 700 people. Surely that in itself would make it obvious that traffic issues might occur and therefore need managing. Just takes a bit of thought rather than people leaping to their keyboards to criticise what they clearly don't understand. Pippa2uk
  • Score: 20

9:57am Sat 2 Aug 14

CJH says...

sensiblegeezer65 wrote:
Appreciate the reasons given for using the helicopter, certainly no noticeable traffic problems, and with the comment about the traveller funeral procession along the A449, proves the same rules apply to all.
But perhaps a small lesson to be learnt for the hierarchy at West Mercia Constabulary - publish a public-statement before hand re: the reasons for resources, and you'll have less negative comments.
Thoughts with the family and colleagues.
Keep up the excellent work in Worcester and beyond.
What a ridiculous suggestion. Do you also want them to warn criminals that they're after them as well?
[quote][p][bold]sensiblegeezer65[/bold] wrote: Appreciate the reasons given for using the helicopter, certainly no noticeable traffic problems, and with the comment about the traveller funeral procession along the A449, proves the same rules apply to all. But perhaps a small lesson to be learnt for the hierarchy at West Mercia Constabulary - publish a public-statement before hand re: the reasons for resources, and you'll have less negative comments. Thoughts with the family and colleagues. Keep up the excellent work in Worcester and beyond.[/p][/quote]What a ridiculous suggestion. Do you also want them to warn criminals that they're after them as well? CJH
  • Score: 18

10:35am Sat 2 Aug 14

willing says...

Spetchley Dave wrote:
Whilst the death of PC Jones is clearly very sad, I do have to ask if this is an appropriate use of taxpayers money in times when the Police resources are so stretched?

It costs around £2000 an hour to fly the Police helicopter
http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-11627331

Surely there were more appropriate ways for his Police colleagues to pay respect to PC Jones.
There are many ways money should be saved, but I don't believe the tragic and untimely death of such a good man, who gave enormous amounts of his time for free, to help and encourage youngsters to gain confidence and progress at a healthy sport like judo, and served the city as a police officer, is one of the times we should be considering costs. It is the least we can give to Duncan and his family
[quote][p][bold]Spetchley Dave[/bold] wrote: Whilst the death of PC Jones is clearly very sad, I do have to ask if this is an appropriate use of taxpayers money in times when the Police resources are so stretched? It costs around £2000 an hour to fly the Police helicopter http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-11627331 Surely there were more appropriate ways for his Police colleagues to pay respect to PC Jones.[/p][/quote]There are many ways money should be saved, but I don't believe the tragic and untimely death of such a good man, who gave enormous amounts of his time for free, to help and encourage youngsters to gain confidence and progress at a healthy sport like judo, and served the city as a police officer, is one of the times we should be considering costs. It is the least we can give to Duncan and his family willing
  • Score: 18

10:38am Sat 2 Aug 14

willing says...

Northerngirl1954 wrote:
Completly agree, a death of any person is sad but to exploit tax payers money is no escuse and should be paid for by who ever agreed - just goes to show how inappropriate funds are miss used in West Mercia Force
Did you even know this man, or what he has done for so many kids in Worcester? Have you ever been a police officer? I'm guessing your answer to those questions will be no, so you are talking about someone you know nothing about...please educate yourself
[quote][p][bold]Northerngirl1954[/bold] wrote: Completly agree, a death of any person is sad but to exploit tax payers money is no escuse and should be paid for by who ever agreed - just goes to show how inappropriate funds are miss used in West Mercia Force[/p][/quote]Did you even know this man, or what he has done for so many kids in Worcester? Have you ever been a police officer? I'm guessing your answer to those questions will be no, so you are talking about someone you know nothing about...please educate yourself willing
  • Score: 16

10:25pm Sun 3 Aug 14

sensiblegeezer65 says...

Pippa2uk wrote:
sensiblegeezer65 wrote:
Appreciate the reasons given for using the helicopter, certainly no noticeable traffic problems, and with the comment about the traveller funeral procession along the A449, proves the same rules apply to all.
But perhaps a small lesson to be learnt for the hierarchy at West Mercia Constabulary - publish a public-statement before hand re: the reasons for resources, and you'll have less negative comments.
Thoughts with the family and colleagues.
Keep up the excellent work in Worcester and beyond.
Why at a time where they are grieving whilst preparing for a colleague and friend's funeral should they have to 'pre-empt' misguided negativity and explain resources? Each time they attend a serious road traffic collision, or a murder, or a burglary should they put a press release out prior to this about how they're resourcing it? I know that the vast majority of those officers came in on days off, took annual leave, some even returning from family holidays for the day. I suppose they should have to explain that prior to doing so too? I appreciate that tax payers want to know where money is going etc, but where do you stop having to justify everything and look at it for what it is - a well respected officers funeral which was attended by over 700 people. Surely that in itself would make it obvious that traffic issues might occur and therefore need managing. Just takes a bit of thought rather than people leaping to their keyboards to criticise what they clearly don't understand.
It seems some respondents misinterpreted my comment. I have the utmost respect for all our emergency services, but knowing how certain twisted members of our society, are quick to seek the slightest chance to malign these services, I was merely suggesting, that a statement regarding the use of a police helicopter at a pre-planned event such as PC Jones funeral would reduce (although sadly not completely eliminate) the criticism, as perceived, by those twisted people. I hope this clarifies my point of view.
[quote][p][bold]Pippa2uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sensiblegeezer65[/bold] wrote: Appreciate the reasons given for using the helicopter, certainly no noticeable traffic problems, and with the comment about the traveller funeral procession along the A449, proves the same rules apply to all. But perhaps a small lesson to be learnt for the hierarchy at West Mercia Constabulary - publish a public-statement before hand re: the reasons for resources, and you'll have less negative comments. Thoughts with the family and colleagues. Keep up the excellent work in Worcester and beyond.[/p][/quote]Why at a time where they are grieving whilst preparing for a colleague and friend's funeral should they have to 'pre-empt' misguided negativity and explain resources? Each time they attend a serious road traffic collision, or a murder, or a burglary should they put a press release out prior to this about how they're resourcing it? I know that the vast majority of those officers came in on days off, took annual leave, some even returning from family holidays for the day. I suppose they should have to explain that prior to doing so too? I appreciate that tax payers want to know where money is going etc, but where do you stop having to justify everything and look at it for what it is - a well respected officers funeral which was attended by over 700 people. Surely that in itself would make it obvious that traffic issues might occur and therefore need managing. Just takes a bit of thought rather than people leaping to their keyboards to criticise what they clearly don't understand.[/p][/quote]It seems some respondents misinterpreted my comment. I have the utmost respect for all our emergency services, but knowing how certain twisted members of our society, are quick to seek the slightest chance to malign these services, I was merely suggesting, that a statement regarding the use of a police helicopter at a pre-planned event such as PC Jones funeral would reduce (although sadly not completely eliminate) the criticism, as perceived, by those twisted people. I hope this clarifies my point of view. sensiblegeezer65
  • Score: -3

10:28pm Sun 3 Aug 14

sensiblegeezer65 says...

CJH wrote:
sensiblegeezer65 wrote:
Appreciate the reasons given for using the helicopter, certainly no noticeable traffic problems, and with the comment about the traveller funeral procession along the A449, proves the same rules apply to all.
But perhaps a small lesson to be learnt for the hierarchy at West Mercia Constabulary - publish a public-statement before hand re: the reasons for resources, and you'll have less negative comments.
Thoughts with the family and colleagues.
Keep up the excellent work in Worcester and beyond.
What a ridiculous suggestion. Do you also want them to warn criminals that they're after them as well?
Who's being ridiculous? Pc Jones funeral, sadly, was able to be planned, crimes aren't, except by those committing them!
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sensiblegeezer65[/bold] wrote: Appreciate the reasons given for using the helicopter, certainly no noticeable traffic problems, and with the comment about the traveller funeral procession along the A449, proves the same rules apply to all. But perhaps a small lesson to be learnt for the hierarchy at West Mercia Constabulary - publish a public-statement before hand re: the reasons for resources, and you'll have less negative comments. Thoughts with the family and colleagues. Keep up the excellent work in Worcester and beyond.[/p][/quote]What a ridiculous suggestion. Do you also want them to warn criminals that they're after them as well?[/p][/quote]Who's being ridiculous? Pc Jones funeral, sadly, was able to be planned, crimes aren't, except by those committing them! sensiblegeezer65
  • Score: -3

11:10pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Jabbadad says...

Sad loss of an excellent Police Officer and communtiy worker.

For the small minded a helicopter could look as being a little over the top. However with the numbers of serving and retired police officers attending the use of a Helicopter was more than likey a security issue.
We all have to think outside the box sometimes.
Sad loss of an excellent Police Officer and communtiy worker. For the small minded a helicopter could look as being a little over the top. However with the numbers of serving and retired police officers attending the use of a Helicopter was more than likey a security issue. We all have to think outside the box sometimes. Jabbadad
  • Score: 0

4:01pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Chopperjockey says...

Just to clarify, the helicopter actually costs approx £600 per hour to fly. I say approx because the actual cost fluctuates with fuel and currency changes.
The £2000 cost includes fixed costs (crew wages, insurance etc.) which are paid each year regardless of whether the aircraft flys or not.

Also, the West Mercia PCC has no control over the aircraft and it's cost as nearly all police aircraft are now owned and run by the National Police Air Service. West Mercia just pay for a service.
Just to clarify, the helicopter actually costs approx £600 per hour to fly. I say approx because the actual cost fluctuates with fuel and currency changes. The £2000 cost includes fixed costs (crew wages, insurance etc.) which are paid each year regardless of whether the aircraft flys or not. Also, the West Mercia PCC has no control over the aircraft and it's cost as nearly all police aircraft are now owned and run by the National Police Air Service. West Mercia just pay for a service. Chopperjockey
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Wed 6 Aug 14

DarrenM says...

Condolences to the family.

On another note as Chopperjockey appears to have some knowledge.

The West Mercia Force Helicopter was originally paid for by the tax payers of West Mercia and Staffordshire as a joint project.

Out of interest how much was the helicopter sold to the Police Air Arm for ? and now it belongs to the police air arm, does it now fly at night?
Condolences to the family. On another note as Chopperjockey appears to have some knowledge. The West Mercia Force Helicopter was originally paid for by the tax payers of West Mercia and Staffordshire as a joint project. Out of interest how much was the helicopter sold to the Police Air Arm for ? and now it belongs to the police air arm, does it now fly at night? DarrenM
  • Score: 0

7:47am Tue 12 Aug 14

Chopperjockey says...

It was indeed bought by West Mercia & Staffs police jointly back in 2010 but it actually only cost them about £1M as the old aircraft was traded in for £1M and the Home Office awards all forces 40% of the cost to upgrade so it was a very good deal for the forces. The old one had to be replaced as it didn't have the necessary equipment to continue flying at night since the CAA changed the rules.
As stated above, yes the aircraft does fly at night and always has. What people don't realise is that the police aircraft takes over the air ambulance role at night too.
It was indeed bought by West Mercia & Staffs police jointly back in 2010 but it actually only cost them about £1M as the old aircraft was traded in for £1M and the Home Office awards all forces 40% of the cost to upgrade so it was a very good deal for the forces. The old one had to be replaced as it didn't have the necessary equipment to continue flying at night since the CAA changed the rules. As stated above, yes the aircraft does fly at night and always has. What people don't realise is that the police aircraft takes over the air ambulance role at night too. Chopperjockey
  • Score: 0

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