DRIVERS in Worcester city centre could face London-style congestion charging if plans for new bus lanes are rejected, Worcestershire's highways chief has warned.
Councillor Derek Prodger, the county councillor in charge of our roads, has urged the people of Worcester to get behind his efforts to reduce city congestion through the introduction of bus lanes and new services along key routes such as Newtown Road and Barbourne Road.
The council's proposed Newtown Road bus lane is out for public consultation and has already met with some local opposition - but Coun Prodger told your Worcester News that if his plans are rejected, the council may resort to more drastic measures.
"We have to get people out of their cars and on to the buses," he said.
"The basis is to look at how we can put bus routes into Worcester along routes such as Newtown Road.
"If we can't get support for that then there are other ideas I have to consider - and one of them is congestion charging. I would be reluctant to do it - I don't support congestion charging - but we have to get people out of their cars."
Londoners currently pay £8 a day to drive into the city centre, and councils in Greater Manchester and Nottingham are now considering similar schemes.
Coun Prodger said: "I will wait to see what people have said at this consultation. At the end of the day, it's the public that will make the decision for me and my colleagues. If we don't get this scheme, we will have to look at other ways of solving congestion in Worcester city centre."
The proposed Newtown Road scheme is part of a wider project that would eventually see a new bus service taking passengers from the park-and-ride site at Perdiswell, across to a similar site at the revamped Sixways, down past the hospital, along Newtown Road to Shrub Hill Station and into the city centre.
"Getting a comprehensive service running around that part of town is what this is all about," Coun Prodger said.
The Newtown Road plans, if approved, will see a new section of carriageway built between Woodgreen Drive roundabout and Canterbury Road, to be used as a dedicated bus and cycle lane.
At the other end of the road, from Ronkswood Crescent down to Sherriff Street, a new bus lane would be constructed in the existing carriageway where the road is already quite wide. The middle section of Newtown Road would not have a dedicated bus lane, but parking will be banned to free up extra space for two lanes of traffic.
Coun Prodger said. "We've just got to get the traffic moving down that road. We can't have people blocking it with parked cars."
The public consultation ends on April 11. Then a bid will be made to the Government to fund the project if it receives public backing.
A second phase of the project leading down to City Walls Road is currently being drawn up and may involve making roads around Shrub Hill station one-way only.
Can anything be done to solve the traffic problems in Worcester? What would it take to get you out of your car? Discuss this in depth in our Your Say section here.7:52am Friday 28th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: boo, worcester on 8:01am Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote]We have to get people out of their cars and on to the buses," he said.[/quote]
so that we can all get warnings for being late for work? If this goes ahead do we have coun prodgers word the buses will run on time? or that they will turn up at all? also Coun Prodger says he needs to get traffic moving along that road, stop the idiots double parking. oh and Coun Prodger how did you get to Newtown rd from your cosy office????? BY BUS??? i suspect not!!!!!
We have to get people out of their cars and on to the buses," he said.
so that we can all get warnings for being late for work? If this goes ahead do we have coun prodgers word the buses will run on time? or that they will turn up at all? also Coun Prodger says he needs to get traffic moving along that road, stop the idiots double parking. oh and Coun Prodger how did you get to Newtown rd from your cosy office????? BY BUS??? i suspect not!!!!!
Posted by: nigel, worc on 8:10am Fri 28 Mar 08
It would be interesting to know if Coun Prodger has any figures to show which bus routes are being used the most by local residents?
Seems that a lot of traffic using the newtown rd goes up to the hospital or on to the byepass, not to the estates at that end of town.
It would be interesting to know if Coun Prodger has any figures to show which bus routes are being used the most by local residents?
Seems that a lot of traffic using the newtown rd goes up to the hospital or on to the byepass, not to the estates at that end of town.
Posted by: Threadbare, City of Worcester on 8:33am Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote]Londoners currently pay £8 a day to drive into the city centre[/quote]
Londoners also get subsidised public transport in the underground system. Manchester and Nottingham have tram systems in place before considering charging. Worcester seems to be putting the cart before the horse again. Improve public transport and then impose these measures.
Londoners currently pay £8 a day to drive into the city centre
Londoners also get subsidised public transport in the underground system. Manchester and Nottingham have tram systems in place before considering charging. Worcester seems to be putting the cart before the horse again. Improve public transport and then impose these measures.
Posted by: Chim Chim, Worcester on 9:03am Fri 28 Mar 08
sounds like a threat to me - it's a bus lane or congestion charging.
I would use the Six Ways Park & Ride but the council decided to only build two thirds of the footpath along Berkeley Way - and they started at the end with a footpath on the otherside so is a complete **** up!
sounds like a threat to me - it's a bus lane or congestion charging.
I would use the Six Ways Park & Ride but the council decided to only build two thirds of the footpath along Berkeley Way - and they started at the end with a footpath on the otherside so is a complete **** up!
Posted by: CJH, Worcester on 9:29am Fri 28 Mar 08
It doesn't matter how many lanes the council squeeze into Newtown Road - there is still a bottleneck at the bottom of the road where traffic has to go under the bridge! It's like pouring water into a funnel - you can put as much as you like in, but the small diameter of the spout will limit how quickly it comes out again. Result? Overflow at the top! And the same principle applies if you are trying to get [bold]up[/bold] Newtown Road - ever tried pouring water into a funnel upside down?
It doesn't matter how many lanes the council squeeze into Newtown Road - there is still a bottleneck at the bottom of the road where traffic has to go under the bridge! It's like pouring water into a funnel - you can put as much as you like in, but the small diameter of the spout will limit how quickly it comes out again. Result? Overflow at the top! And the same principle applies if you are trying to get
up Newtown Road - ever tried pouring water into a funnel upside down?
Posted by: Logik, worcester on 10:12am Fri 28 Mar 08
Cllr Prodger needs to get of his high horse and listen to the people, who made him God?
This is a clear threat from Cllr Prodger, accept his proposals for a Bus lane along Newtown Road or else lots of you who live around Newtown Road will have to pay to leave and come home again. Well if he wants a fight then he can jolly well have one.
His proposals are stupid, clearly in this instance the old terms Tory Twit comes into play. Cllr Prodger also exaggerates the existing traffic problems which aren't that serious in the first place.
Clearly, this is all to do with the Sixways park and ride, another bright idea which will result is masses of empty buses into and out of the city every 10 minutes. Along with this, this park and ride will be heavily subsidised by Worcester council tax payers who will never use it.
...and just how did you get to work today Cllr Prodger, by car?
Cllr Prodger needs to get of his high horse and listen to the people, who made him God?
This is a clear threat from Cllr Prodger, accept his proposals for a Bus lane along Newtown Road or else lots of you who live around Newtown Road will have to pay to leave and come home again. Well if he wants a fight then he can jolly well have one.
His proposals are stupid, clearly in this instance the old terms Tory Twit comes into play. Cllr Prodger also exaggerates the existing traffic problems which aren't that serious in the first place.
Clearly, this is all to do with the Sixways park and ride, another bright idea which will result is masses of empty buses into and out of the city every 10 minutes. Along with this, this park and ride will be heavily subsidised by Worcester council tax payers who will never use it.
...and just how did you get to work today Cllr Prodger, by car?
Posted by: chippie, Worcester on 10:21am Fri 28 Mar 08
One of the major employers in this town, the County Council whose overspill car park is Spetchley Road would benefit from inclusion in this park and ride scheme - also public transport needs to be cheaper if people are to be persuaded to leave their cars at home.
One of the major employers in this town, the County Council whose overspill car park is Spetchley Road would benefit from inclusion in this park and ride scheme - also public transport needs to be cheaper if people are to be persuaded to leave their cars at home.
Posted by: Flagman, worcester on 10:52am Fri 28 Mar 08
It's pretty obvious that Cllr Prodger is aware that there is a great deal of opposition to this idea, Therefore, If he doesn't get his way - we can all pay for it. The hospital staff already have to pay parking charges and now the "Bodger Tax". Will the unfortunate residents of Newtown Rd. have to pay every time they leave their house / If the council are worried about traffic, why have they approved a scheme that will bring more vehicles to the area in giving planning permission for business units on the old hospital site. Take away free parking for the "chosen2 council wotkers and that will take cars off the road. If charging is implemented drivers will use another route and clog up another road that will then have another "Bodger Tax" imposed !
It's pretty obvious that Cllr Prodger is aware that there is a great deal of opposition to this idea, Therefore, If he doesn't get his way - we can all pay for it. The hospital staff already have to pay parking charges and now the "Bodger Tax". Will the unfortunate residents of Newtown Rd. have to pay every time they leave their house / If the council are worried about traffic, why have they approved a scheme that will bring more vehicles to the area in giving planning permission for business units on the old hospital site. Take away free parking for the "chosen2 council wotkers and that will take cars off the road. If charging is implemented drivers will use another route and clog up another road that will then have another "Bodger Tax" imposed !
Posted by: TheBigman, Worcester on 11:05am Fri 28 Mar 08
Coun Prodger where are you living? In a dream world one suspects.
It is a blatant threat to the people opposing this scheme, he is basically saying that one of these schemes are going to happpen so you are better off going with the bus lane scheme.
The actions by coun prodger is that of a school bully stealing someones lunch money.
Everyone but the council seem to understand the problem and that has nothing to do with newtown road itself and more to do with the tunnel at the bottom, and the daft sequencing of the traffic lights, but fixing this would be to sensible and also would not give the council the ammunition to use it as a chance to implement there daft scheme.
Coun Prodger what gives you the right to threaten the people into backing your idea of a bus lane or risk a congestion charge zone, is it for the power kick that you get from threatening people, is it to boost you ego, because it is obvious that this is not being done for the benefit of worcester or for the people of it.
Coun Prodger you need to ask yourself how many buses do you see around Worcester that are not even full?
People do not have the confidence in using the buses and this bus lane would not instantly restore faith in all those that do not use public transport
It is a pointless task putting in a bus lane down newtown road because the bus will still get stuck at the bottom like the rest of us.
Can i just ask coun prodger how this bus lane scheme/congestion charge zone will affect you?
Coun Prodger where are you living? In a dream world one suspects.
It is a blatant threat to the people opposing this scheme, he is basically saying that one of these schemes are going to happpen so you are better off going with the bus lane scheme.
The actions by coun prodger is that of a school bully stealing someones lunch money.
Everyone but the council seem to understand the problem and that has nothing to do with newtown road itself and more to do with the tunnel at the bottom, and the daft sequencing of the traffic lights, but fixing this would be to sensible and also would not give the council the ammunition to use it as a chance to implement there daft scheme.
Coun Prodger what gives you the right to threaten the people into backing your idea of a bus lane or risk a congestion charge zone, is it for the power kick that you get from threatening people, is it to boost you ego, because it is obvious that this is not being done for the benefit of worcester or for the people of it.
Coun Prodger you need to ask yourself how many buses do you see around Worcester that are not even full?
People do not have the confidence in using the buses and this bus lane would not instantly restore faith in all those that do not use public transport
It is a pointless task putting in a bus lane down newtown road because the bus will still get stuck at the bottom like the rest of us.
Can i just ask coun prodger how this bus lane scheme/congestion charge zone will affect you?
Posted by: boo, worcester on 11:05am Fri 28 Mar 08
have you read the other article? coun Prodger thinks having 2 £10,000 bmw bikes riding around checking on road conditions is a great idea, these bikes only carry a minimal amount of tools so therefore having to send for vans, but the Counceller wants us to catch the bus.... this guy has lost the plot and is acting like a spoilt brat... bet he has a big fuel guzzling car hidden away somewhere!!!
have you read the other article? coun Prodger thinks having 2 £10,000 bmw bikes riding around checking on road conditions is a great idea, these bikes only carry a minimal amount of tools so therefore having to send for vans, but the Counceller wants us to catch the bus.... this guy has lost the plot and is acting like a spoilt brat... bet he has a big fuel guzzling car hidden away somewhere!!!
Posted by: Logik, worcester on 11:22am Fri 28 Mar 08
Having just looked at the picture more carefully, has anybody spotted how it was taken.
Clearly the cars are passing a stationary vehicle going up the hill, would this be the photographers vehicle perhaps?
Looks like the picture has been clearly engineered by causing a deliberate obstruction so as to go along with the story.
Having just looked at the picture more carefully, has anybody spotted how it was taken.
Clearly the cars are passing a stationary vehicle going up the hill, would this be the photographers vehicle perhaps?
Looks like the picture has been clearly engineered by causing a deliberate obstruction so as to go along with the story.
Posted by: xyz, Worcs on 12:29pm Fri 28 Mar 08
What would it take to get people out of their cars?
Easy - busses with timetables that actually enable people to get to work on time and back home again as quickly as possible.
Preferably they would also be safe, clean, reliable and affordable so that people will be better off by leaving their cars at home.
Until this is available in Worcester, people will continue to drive and should't be penalised for doing so because public transport is so poor.
What would it take to get people out of their cars?
Easy - busses with timetables that actually enable people to get to work on time and back home again as quickly as possible.
Preferably they would also be safe, clean, reliable and affordable so that people will be better off by leaving their cars at home.
Until this is available in Worcester, people will continue to drive and should't be penalised for doing so because public transport is so poor.
Posted by: Ray, Worcester on 2:11pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I go up this road every morning and come down it every evening to commute to Gloucester. Only time there is conjestion like this is when the refuse lorry is around or when the Bridge was being demolished on Tolladine Road.
I go up this road every morning and come down it every evening to commute to Gloucester. Only time there is conjestion like this is when the refuse lorry is around or when the Bridge was being demolished on Tolladine Road.
Posted by: varien, worcester on 6:18pm Fri 28 Mar 08
As an ex bus driver, a current bus passenger and a car driver I have travelled this stretch of road at ALL times of the day and NEVER experienced a problem.
The bus lane has to be implemented by the County Council to justify the grant the government has provided for park and ride at six ways. i.e No bus lane - no money
As an ex bus driver, a current bus passenger and a car driver I have travelled this stretch of road at ALL times of the day and NEVER experienced a problem.
The bus lane has to be implemented by the County Council to justify the grant the government has provided for park and ride at six ways. i.e No bus lane - no money
Posted by: Darrenm, Worcester on 6:26pm Fri 28 Mar 08
There is a third option - lets all ensure that Cllr Prodger doesnt get a turn of office by voting for whoever his opponent is- perhaps an indepedent candiate could stand on a no bus land agenda?
There is a third option - lets all ensure that Cllr Prodger doesnt get a turn of office by voting for whoever his opponent is- perhaps an indepedent candiate could stand on a no bus land agenda?
Posted by: King Creole, Worcester on 7:12pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I have often wondered when Mr Prodger would reach the nadir of his continual flow of barmy ideas. Now I know. How does he keep his job? More relevantly, why?
I have often wondered when Mr Prodger would reach the nadir of his continual flow of barmy ideas. Now I know. How does he keep his job? More relevantly, why?
Posted by: Alan on 7:20pm Fri 28 Mar 08
The existing Perdiswell Park and Ride is open from 7am till 7pm. That excludes a lot of people from using it.
Will any new Park and Ride have sensible opening hours?
The existing Perdiswell Park and Ride is open from 7am till 7pm. That excludes a lot of people from using it.
Will any new Park and Ride have sensible opening hours?
Posted by: truthteller, worcester on 9:13pm Fri 28 Mar 08
How dare this man threaten and bully people with his take it or leave it attitude. Who does he think he is? We all know what he is but most of use are far too polite to say. As for the buses, why not use the smaller buses again which will be filled and would not need a bus lane rather than run large buses which are nearly always empty. No wonder the bus fares are so high, its needed to pay for the petrol to run empty buses and they are late because they are so big and they cause traffic jams!!
How dare this man threaten and bully people with his take it or leave it attitude. Who does he think he is? We all know what he is but most of use are far too polite to say. As for the buses, why not use the smaller buses again which will be filled and would not need a bus lane rather than run large buses which are nearly always empty. No wonder the bus fares are so high, its needed to pay for the petrol to run empty buses and they are late because they are so big and they cause traffic jams!!
Posted by: Logik, worcester on 10:47pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote]How dare this man threaten and bully people with his take it or leave it attitude. Who does he think he is? [bold]We all know what he is but most of use are far too polite to say.[/bold] [/quote]
Truthteller, how about a jumped up two bit power crazed elected official with ridiculous ideas who deems to dictate to those he is supposed to serve. (That's the polite version - the one word summary description would be censored)
How dare this man threaten and bully people with his take it or leave it attitude. Who does he think he is? We all know what he is but most of use are far too polite to say.
Truthteller, how about a jumped up two bit power crazed elected official with ridiculous ideas who deems to dictate to those he is supposed to serve. (That's the polite version - the one word summary description would be censored)
Posted by: Dan on 12:37am Sat 29 Mar 08
[quote][bold]xyz[/bold] wrote:
What would it take to get people out of their cars? Easy - busses with timetables that actually enable people to get to work on time and back home again as quickly as possible. Preferably they would also be safe, clean, reliable and affordable so that people will be better off by leaving their cars at home. Until this is available in Worcester, people will continue to drive and should't be penalised for doing so because public transport is so poor.[/quote] yes i agree more modern vehicles that run on time that are safe and dont have smoke coming from the wheels because they are old
and maybe fitted with cctv making passengers feel safe
xyz wrote:
What would it take to get people out of their cars? Easy - busses with timetables that actually enable people to get to work on time and back home again as quickly as possible. Preferably they would also be safe, clean, reliable and affordable so that people will be better off by leaving their cars at home. Until this is available in Worcester, people will continue to drive and should't be penalised for doing so because public transport is so poor.
yes i agree more modern vehicles that run on time that are safe and dont have smoke coming from the wheels because they are old
and maybe fitted with cctv making passengers feel safe
Posted by: Dan on 12:44am Sat 29 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Logik[/bold] wrote:
[quote]How dare this man threaten and bully people with his take it or leave it attitude. Who does he think he is? [bold]We all know what he is but most of use are far too polite to say.[/bold] [/quote] Truthteller, how about a jumped up two bit power crazed elected official with ridiculous ideas who deems to dictate to those he is supposed to serve. (That's the polite version - the one word summary description would be censored)[/quote] i also agree with u logik trust me i know wat our saying is true for other reasons
Logik wrote:
How dare this man threaten and bully people with his take it or leave it attitude. Who does he think he is? We all know what he is but most of use are far too polite to say.
Truthteller, how about a jumped up two bit power crazed elected official with ridiculous ideas who deems to dictate to those he is supposed to serve. (That's the polite version - the one word summary description would be censored)
i also agree with u logik trust me i know wat our saying is true for other reasons
Posted by: tigger, worcester on 9:26am Sat 29 Mar 08
If the council subsidides the buses then the fares would be cheaper and more people would use them also if they actually ran on time it would be a start the reason why so many people won't use the buses is due to them being un reliable and to expensive. Will every council worker be using public transport mr prodger? i don't think so they won't leave there big posh cars at home to use the buses so where does he get off telling us use buses or pay the cost of driving into the city. If you have a more than 1 child it is cheaper to take the car and park than get the bus if i want to take my 4 children and me into town it would cost me £10 or more how can this be justified compared to what you will pay in the car park for a couple of hours he needs to have a re think
If the council subsidides the buses then the fares would be cheaper and more people would use them also if they actually ran on time it would be a start the reason why so many people won't use the buses is due to them being un reliable and to expensive. Will every council worker be using public transport mr prodger? i don't think so they won't leave there big posh cars at home to use the buses so where does he get off telling us use buses or pay the cost of driving into the city. If you have a more than 1 child it is cheaper to take the car and park than get the bus if i want to take my 4 children and me into town it would cost me £10 or more how can this be justified compared to what you will pay in the car park for a couple of hours he needs to have a re think
Posted by: Logik, worcester on 12:48pm Sat 29 Mar 08
[quote]If the council subsidises the buses[/quote]
The council already subsidises the park and ride at Perdiswell. They will also be subsidising the park and ride at Sixways.
Just how far do we go and why should my council taxes subsidise a private bus operator.
Like any other business, it needs to be competitive and attract customers based on its own merit, not on the backs of already hard pressed council tax payers.
If the council subsidises the buses
The council already subsidises the park and ride at Perdiswell. They will also be subsidising the park and ride at Sixways.
Just how far do we go and why should my council taxes subsidise a private bus operator.
Like any other business, it needs to be competitive and attract customers based on its own merit, not on the backs of already hard pressed council tax payers.
Posted by: varien, worcester on 4:24pm Sat 29 Mar 08
[quote]Just how far do we go and why should my council taxes subsidise a private bus operator.[/quote]
Logic,
The council itself is now the actual bus operator for park and ride.
Perhaps they should operate all the bus services like some councils did years ago
Just how far do we go and why should my council taxes subsidise a private bus operator.
Logic,
The council itself is now the actual bus operator for park and ride.
Perhaps they should operate all the bus services like some councils did years ago
Posted by: Logik, worcester on 5:04pm Sat 29 Mar 08
As I recall at the public meeting of this bus lane proposal, bus subsidies were mentioned as were First Midland Red. If the council has taken over the park and ride at Perdiswell, then the subsidies mentioned must have been for other city services.
The same still applies insomuch as to what extent we as taxpayers we should subsidise a private bus operator.
As I recall at the public meeting of this bus lane proposal, bus subsidies were mentioned as were First Midland Red. If the council has taken over the park and ride at Perdiswell, then the subsidies mentioned must have been for other city services.
The same still applies insomuch as to what extent we as taxpayers we should subsidise a private bus operator.
Posted by: iceman77, Lower Broadheath on 8:43pm Sat 29 Mar 08
the whole idea of the privatisation of public facilities such as telephone, rail, and buses, to name but a few, was to take the cost away from the public purse, ie us taxpayers, and encourage competition. if these companies cannot compete then they should have the business taken away from them. Yes re-nationalise them, and have the buses etc run by people who are accountable to the people who use them and pay for them. Not by some person paying them selves an over inflated wage. they should be paid wages similar to other peoples. and this goes for those in public office be it local council or national government.
We Must make these people accountable - by voting them out of office when the time comes. we cant allow tin pot dictators wether in councils or public amenities to have carte blanche with our tax monies. look at the Lord Mayor of London and his "cover up" of accident rates and the use of bus lanes in the City of London.
i used to live in the ronkswood area and had to travel into the city centre to get to work. work for me started at eight o'clock, and i am sure that for most people it started at eight or nine. the problem was that you couldn't get a return bus ticket before nine in the morning and you couldn't use it after something like five o'clock. and i knew many other people who felt the same. they were willing to use the buses but found it riduculous to have to pay twice.
now i live in a village, and although it is just 3-4 miles outside the city centre there is not a reliable bus route/timetable. there are plenty of people here that would use the bus, but it is unreliable and too costly.
we need proper return tickets usable at any time of the day.
And as for feeling safe on the buses - what about the bus station itself
the whole idea of the privatisation of public facilities such as telephone, rail, and buses, to name but a few, was to take the cost away from the public purse, ie us taxpayers, and encourage competition. if these companies cannot compete then they should have the business taken away from them. Yes re-nationalise them, and have the buses etc run by people who are accountable to the people who use them and pay for them. Not by some person paying them selves an over inflated wage. they should be paid wages similar to other peoples. and this goes for those in public office be it local council or national government.
We Must make these people accountable - by voting them out of office when the time comes. we cant allow tin pot dictators wether in councils or public amenities to have carte blanche with our tax monies. look at the Lord Mayor of London and his "cover up" of accident rates and the use of bus lanes in the City of London.
i used to live in the ronkswood area and had to travel into the city centre to get to work. work for me started at eight o'clock, and i am sure that for most people it started at eight or nine. the problem was that you couldn't get a return bus ticket before nine in the morning and you couldn't use it after something like five o'clock. and i knew many other people who felt the same. they were willing to use the buses but found it riduculous to have to pay twice.
now i live in a village, and although it is just 3-4 miles outside the city centre there is not a reliable bus route/timetable. there are plenty of people here that would use the bus, but it is unreliable and too costly.
we need proper return tickets usable at any time of the day.
And as for feeling safe on the buses - what about the bus station itself
Posted by: am, Worcester on 10:02pm Sat 29 Mar 08
Councillor Prodger is a dictator who also enjoys the publicity and the mantle of being a councillor and cabinet member. He also appears to be bully and doesn't not care about what the people of Worcester want. What Prodger wants he will do his utmost to get. This man needs to be investigated and take out of his position NOW!
Councillor Prodger is a dictator who also enjoys the publicity and the mantle of being a councillor and cabinet member. He also appears to be bully and doesn't not care about what the people of Worcester want. What Prodger wants he will do his utmost to get. This man needs to be investigated and take out of his position NOW!
Posted by: drowning not waving, worcester on 2:02pm Sun 30 Mar 08
A third option. Don't vote for these people in the local elections. How's that for a threat.
2 questions.
1) will council workers have to pay?
2)who are you stopping the congestion for?
When I go shopping in Malvern because parking and congestion charge non-existent I will look at the demise of Worcester City centre and blame the barmpot council
A third option. Don't vote for these people in the local elections. How's that for a threat.
2 questions.
1) will council workers have to pay?
2)who are you stopping the congestion for?
When I go shopping in Malvern because parking and congestion charge non-existent I will look at the demise of Worcester City centre and blame the barmpot council
Posted by: am, Worcester on 3:23pm Sun 30 Mar 08
[quote][bold]drowning not waving[/bold] wrote:
A third option. Don't vote for these people in the local elections. How's that for a threat. 2 questions. 1) will council workers have to pay? 2)who are you stopping the congestion for? When I go shopping in Malvern because parking and congestion charge non-existent I will look at the demise of Worcester City centre and blame the barmpot council[/quote] I agree with your comments about council workers. While Cllr Prodger is clearly intent on dictating how we move about, it is the council staff who would have come up with this ludricous and hair-brained bus corridor scheme.
So, not only should we be directing our anger towards councillors, but we should also starting asking questions about our dim-witted and unrealistic highways and transport staff. Can they really be this stupid?
drowning not waving wrote:
A third option. Don't vote for these people in the local elections. How's that for a threat. 2 questions. 1) will council workers have to pay? 2)who are you stopping the congestion for? When I go shopping in Malvern because parking and congestion charge non-existent I will look at the demise of Worcester City centre and blame the barmpot council
I agree with your comments about council workers. While Cllr Prodger is clearly intent on dictating how we move about, it is the council staff who would have come up with this ludricous and hair-brained bus corridor scheme.
So, not only should we be directing our anger towards councillors, but we should also starting asking questions about our dim-witted and unrealistic highways and transport staff. Can they really be this stupid?
Posted by: helena, droitwich spa on 4:01pm Sun 30 Mar 08
i would like to say that a bus lane up newtown road would be a shame and it's not needed, i travel though worcester to get to malvern and thats hell in itself. if mr prodger would like to put a bus lane or congestion charge in then maybe he should think very long and hard before doing so because we have the right to VOTE in may this year, so if we all put our vote in then we the people can show him what we think and vote him out. i suspect that he does drive but not up newtown road, the parking is bad anyways, so why plan this that does not need doing, it's only another tax and way of getting are money, their not happy with getting it from the parking in worcs to start with, do they want shoppers in worcss.
and also the roundabout at perdis is a waste of time becasue it's been changed from two lanes to one and now always get a bottleneck in the traffic from town to perdis.
i would like to say that a bus lane up newtown road would be a shame and it's not needed, i travel though worcester to get to malvern and thats hell in itself. if mr prodger would like to put a bus lane or congestion charge in then maybe he should think very long and hard before doing so because we have the right to VOTE in may this year, so if we all put our vote in then we the people can show him what we think and vote him out. i suspect that he does drive but not up newtown road, the parking is bad anyways, so why plan this that does not need doing, it's only another tax and way of getting are money, their not happy with getting it from the parking in worcs to start with, do they want shoppers in worcss.
and also the roundabout at perdis is a waste of time becasue it's been changed from two lanes to one and now always get a bottleneck in the traffic from town to perdis.
Posted by: Logik, worcester on 4:35pm Sun 30 Mar 08
[quote]So, not only should we be directing our anger towards councillors, but we should also starting asking questions about our dim-witted and unrealistic highways and transport staff. [bold]Can they really be this stupid?[/bold] [/quote]
Of course they can.
Can anyone think of a single 'traffic improvement measure' that has been any good?
Answers on the back of a postage stamp please!
So, not only should we be directing our anger towards councillors, but we should also starting asking questions about our dim-witted and unrealistic highways and transport staff. Can they really be this stupid?
Of course they can.
Can anyone think of a single 'traffic improvement measure' that has been any good?
Answers on the back of a postage stamp please!
Posted by: Ikon, Worcester on 5:11pm Sun 30 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Logik[/bold] wrote:
[quote]So, not only should we be directing our anger towards councillors, but we should also starting asking questions about our dim-witted and unrealistic highways and transport staff. [bold]Can they really be this stupid?[/bold] [/quote] Of course they can. Can anyone think of a single 'traffic improvement measure' that has been any good? Answers on the back of a postage stamp please![/quote] Nope, can`t think of one good traffic improvement measure from the council. Can think of loads of ****-ups though. And to think our council staff get paid for such daft ideas.
Apart from some staff already named on this site, such as Mr Fullee, Mr Commerford, Mr Fraser etc who all appear to be incapable of sorting out our highways such as drainage, who else is responsible for not delivering proper highway and transport services?
Logik wrote:
So, not only should we be directing our anger towards councillors, but we should also starting asking questions about our dim-witted and unrealistic highways and transport staff. Can they really be this stupid?
Of course they can. Can anyone think of a single 'traffic improvement measure' that has been any good? Answers on the back of a postage stamp please!
Nope, can`t think of one good traffic improvement measure from the council. Can think of loads of ****-ups though. And to think our council staff get paid for such daft ideas.
Apart from some staff already named on this site, such as Mr Fullee, Mr Commerford, Mr Fraser etc who all appear to be incapable of sorting out our highways such as drainage, who else is responsible for not delivering proper highway and transport services?
Posted by: Biggles, Worcester on 12:23am Mon 31 Mar 08
Somebody needs to remind this idiot that we have already paid for newtown road, as motorists we pay enough tax to rebuild the entire oanetwork seven times over.....every year.
As someone who uses newtown road everyday, because I live off it, I can inform he council that there are three main reasons for what trafic delays there are.
1) Phasing (or lack of) the traffic lights at sherrif st, the bridge, and the top of tallow hill.
2) The totally selfish parking habits of the residents of newtown road, the worst offenders being those near the top of the hill, but those opposite humber road are almost as thoughtless, they ALL have garages avalable and are just to lazy to use them.
3) The council bin lorry, always driven by the same man, wherever you come across him in the city he seems to delight in stopping anywhere he can cause the most havoc.
If Cllr Prodger thinks I'm going to pay to use newtown road I invite him to spin on my middle digit
Somebody needs to remind this idiot that we have already paid for newtown road, as motorists we pay enough tax to rebuild the entire oanetwork seven times over.....every year.
As someone who uses newtown road everyday, because I live off it, I can inform he council that there are three main reasons for what trafic delays there are.
1) Phasing (or lack of) the traffic lights at sherrif st, the bridge, and the top of tallow hill.
2) The totally selfish parking habits of the residents of newtown road, the worst offenders being those near the top of the hill, but those opposite humber road are almost as thoughtless, they ALL have garages avalable and are just to lazy to use them.
3) The council bin lorry, always driven by the same man, wherever you come across him in the city he seems to delight in stopping anywhere he can cause the most havoc.
If Cllr Prodger thinks I'm going to pay to use newtown road I invite him to spin on my middle digit
Posted by: Logik, worcester on 12:59am Mon 31 Mar 08
[quote]As someone who uses newtown road everyday, because I live off it[/quote]
Me too!
[quote]1) Phasing (or lack of) the traffic lights at sherrif st, the bridge, and the top of tallow hill.[/quote]
I've noticed during the last 6 months or so that the light phasing has been altered somewhat, presumably to create congestion.
[quote]If Cllr Prodger thinks I'm going to pay to use newtown road I invite him to spin on my middle digit[/quote]
How eloquently put Biggles - Nice!!
As someone who uses newtown road everyday, because I live off it
Me too!
1) Phasing (or lack of) the traffic lights at sherrif st, the bridge, and the top of tallow hill.
I've noticed during the last 6 months or so that the light phasing has been altered somewhat, presumably to create congestion.
If Cllr Prodger thinks I'm going to pay to use newtown road I invite him to spin on my middle digit
How eloquently put Biggles - Nice!!
Posted by: Dan on 1:19am Mon 31 Mar 08
[quote]If Cllr Prodger thinks I'm going to pay to use newtown road I invite him to spin on my middle digit
How eloquently put Biggles - Nice!![/quote]
i also totally agree with you both the council and councillor tend to work against the public rather than for us/them
If Cllr Prodger thinks I'm going to pay to use newtown road I invite him to spin on my middle digit
How eloquently put Biggles - Nice!!
i also totally agree with you both the council and councillor tend to work against the public rather than for us/them
Posted by: Dan on 1:20am Mon 31 Mar 08
meant to say councillors
Posted by: lucylamb, chesterfield on 10:12pm Wed 2 Apr 08
I am so glad i left worcester, its so much more expensive in every aspect.
I am so glad i left worcester, its so much more expensive in every aspect.
Posted by: lucylamb, chesterfield on 10:12pm Wed 2 Apr 08
I am so glad i left worcester, its so much more expensive in every aspect.
I am so glad i left worcester, its so much more expensive in every aspect.
Posted by: RDE76, Worcester on 8:42pm Thu 3 Apr 08
[quote][bold]TheBigman[/bold] wrote:
Coun Prodger where are you living? In a dream world one suspects.
It is a blatant threat to the people opposing this scheme, he is basically saying that one of these schemes are going to happpen so you are better off going with the bus lane scheme.
The actions by coun prodger is that of a school bully stealing someones lunch money.
Everyone but the council seem to understand the problem and that has nothing to do with newtown road itself and more to do with the tunnel at the bottom, and the daft sequencing of the traffic lights, but fixing this would be to sensible and also would not give the council the ammunition to use it as a chance to implement there daft scheme.
Coun Prodger what gives you the right to threaten the people into backing your idea of a bus lane or risk a congestion charge zone, is it for the power kick that you get from threatening people, is it to boost you ego, because it is obvious that this is not being done for the benefit of worcester or for the people of it.
Coun Prodger you need to ask yourself how many buses do you see around Worcester that are not even full?
People do not have the confidence in using the buses and this bus lane would not instantly restore faith in all those that do not use public transport
It is a pointless task putting in a bus lane down newtown road because the bus will still get stuck at the bottom like the rest of us.
Can i just ask coun prodger how this bus lane scheme/congestion charge zone will affect you?
[/quote] We live off Newtown Road so use it daily. Coun Prodger is living in a dream world. Totally agree with TheBigman, he's just throwing a tantrum, I bet he doesn't use public transport to get round the city... probably same reasons as us... it's useless and expensive...
TheBigman wrote:
Coun Prodger where are you living? In a dream world one suspects.
It is a blatant threat to the people opposing this scheme, he is basically saying that one of these schemes are going to happpen so you are better off going with the bus lane scheme.
The actions by coun prodger is that of a school bully stealing someones lunch money.
Everyone but the council seem to understand the problem and that has nothing to do with newtown road itself and more to do with the tunnel at the bottom, and the daft sequencing of the traffic lights, but fixing this would be to sensible and also would not give the council the ammunition to use it as a chance to implement there daft scheme.
Coun Prodger what gives you the right to threaten the people into backing your idea of a bus lane or risk a congestion charge zone, is it for the power kick that you get from threatening people, is it to boost you ego, because it is obvious that this is not being done for the benefit of worcester or for the people of it.
Coun Prodger you need to ask yourself how many buses do you see around Worcester that are not even full?
People do not have the confidence in using the buses and this bus lane would not instantly restore faith in all those that do not use public transport
It is a pointless task putting in a bus lane down newtown road because the bus will still get stuck at the bottom like the rest of us.
Can i just ask coun prodger how this bus lane scheme/congestion charge zone will affect you?
We live off Newtown Road so use it daily. Coun Prodger is living in a dream world. Totally agree with TheBigman, he's just throwing a tantrum, I bet he doesn't use public transport to get round the city... probably same reasons as us... it's useless and expensive...
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