Ice warning signs are ‘traffic hazard’

Worcester News: SIGN OF THE TIMES: A warning sign to motorists of ice on the road at Martley. SIGN OF THE TIMES: A warning sign to motorists of ice on the road at Martley.

COUNCIL bosses have defended new road signs warning of ice, claiming they are an important additional safety measure and not health and safety gone mad, as one Worcester News reader has claimed.

Jerry Johns, of Clifton-upon-Teme, near Martley, got in touch with your Worcester News after spotting dozens of the new signs on the roadside around the county.

He said: “Is this yet another example of health and safety gone mad? Most folk round here know it’s winter and there is the occasional risk of ice.

“The signs themselves are more of a traffic hazard than any ice that may be on the road.”

Jon Fraser, customer and community manager for highways at Worcester-shire County Council, said the signs were introduced as an extra precaution in wintry weather and had been generally very well received.

“The safety of road users is extremely important, particularly during the winter months when ice is a potential hazard,” he said.

“For the first time, this year we’ve introduced ice warning signs as an additional precautionary measure to warn road users in areas where there is increased risk, such as surface run-off from fields.

“The response to the new signs has so far been very positive. The majority of drivers and pedestrians appreciate the extra warning these signs give in addition to the gritting that we undertake across the county “When roads are icy, I’d urge motorists to drive with caution, and never to assume it’s safe to travel at normal speeds even if they believe roads have been treated with grit.”

This week, Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin launched a crusade against unnecessary road signs.

In a letter to councils, Mr McLoughlin called on them to remove any old, confusing or ugly signs.

His campaign was backed by the Campaign to Protect Rural England, which branded the signs a forest of clutter.

Comments (57)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

11:29am Sat 5 Jan 13

uptonX says...

Another example of the council living on a different planet. These static signs are a total waste of time and our money. Temperatures and conditions change rapidly, council response times can be measured with a calendar, everyone knows that, if they want to make the roads safer fix the problems with the poor surface or the layout disaster at the Whittington roundabout.
Another example of the council living on a different planet. These static signs are a total waste of time and our money. Temperatures and conditions change rapidly, council response times can be measured with a calendar, everyone knows that, if they want to make the roads safer fix the problems with the poor surface or the layout disaster at the Whittington roundabout. uptonX

11:31am Sat 5 Jan 13

Redhillman says...

These signs are probably in place to take responsibility away from the highways department for not gritting roads frequently or properly. In fact the council could say lets not bother gritting at all because we now have signs warning motorists of ice. And these signs are not only a hazard but they are also patronising. These signs just sum up the stupidity of the highways department.
These signs are probably in place to take responsibility away from the highways department for not gritting roads frequently or properly. In fact the council could say lets not bother gritting at all because we now have signs warning motorists of ice. And these signs are not only a hazard but they are also patronising. These signs just sum up the stupidity of the highways department. Redhillman

11:38am Sat 5 Jan 13

CJH says...

Anyone taking bets on the Highways Dept recruiting a consultant to help improve their public image?
Anyone taking bets on the Highways Dept recruiting a consultant to help improve their public image? CJH

12:08pm Sat 5 Jan 13

daned says...

If these signs are permanent what use will they be after drivers have passed them day in, day out when there has obviously been no ice.

If they have to cover themselves there are signs which can be turned over to be on or off.
If these signs are permanent what use will they be after drivers have passed them day in, day out when there has obviously been no ice. If they have to cover themselves there are signs which can be turned over to be on or off. daned

12:16pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Karl Hunderson says...

daned wrote:
If these signs are permanent what use will they be after drivers have passed them day in, day out when there has obviously been no ice.

If they have to cover themselves there are signs which can be turned over to be on or off.
Obviously drivers would have to use their own common sense. The signs are intended to to mean that if its freezing or below there may be ice even if the road has been gritted because of the reasons. That seems to be a good idea.
[quote][p][bold]daned[/bold] wrote: If these signs are permanent what use will they be after drivers have passed them day in, day out when there has obviously been no ice. If they have to cover themselves there are signs which can be turned over to be on or off.[/p][/quote]Obviously drivers would have to use their own common sense. The signs are intended to to mean that if its freezing or below there may be ice even if the road has been gritted because of the reasons. That seems to be a good idea. Karl Hunderson

12:17pm Sat 5 Jan 13

CJH says...

And the problem with leaving them there for long periods of time is that drivers will stop noticing them, like many other pointless traffic signs. Familiarity will breed comtempt.
And the problem with leaving them there for long periods of time is that drivers will stop noticing them, like many other pointless traffic signs. Familiarity will breed comtempt. CJH

12:20pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Karl Hunderson says...

CJH wrote:
And the problem with leaving them there for long periods of time is that drivers will stop noticing them, like many other pointless traffic signs. Familiarity will breed comtempt.
Really? When I drive around in this country and abroad I see many permanent signs saying beware of fog or ice. I use my common sense. If its likely to be foggy or icy I take heed.
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: And the problem with leaving them there for long periods of time is that drivers will stop noticing them, like many other pointless traffic signs. Familiarity will breed comtempt.[/p][/quote]Really? When I drive around in this country and abroad I see many permanent signs saying beware of fog or ice. I use my common sense. If its likely to be foggy or icy I take heed. Karl Hunderson

12:31pm Sat 5 Jan 13

CJH says...

Karl Hunderson wrote:
CJH wrote: And the problem with leaving them there for long periods of time is that drivers will stop noticing them, like many other pointless traffic signs. Familiarity will breed comtempt.
Really? When I drive around in this country and abroad I see many permanent signs saying beware of fog or ice. I use my common sense. If its likely to be foggy or icy I take heed.
And you need a sign to tell you that? If you are driving the same road every day (not when travelling on business or holiday on unknown roads) you will become immune to the messages.
[quote][p][bold]Karl Hunderson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: And the problem with leaving them there for long periods of time is that drivers will stop noticing them, like many other pointless traffic signs. Familiarity will breed comtempt.[/p][/quote]Really? When I drive around in this country and abroad I see many permanent signs saying beware of fog or ice. I use my common sense. If its likely to be foggy or icy I take heed.[/p][/quote]And you need a sign to tell you that? If you are driving the same road every day (not when travelling on business or holiday on unknown roads) you will become immune to the messages. CJH

12:53pm Sat 5 Jan 13

itsallinthe locker says...

Perhaps Mr Fraser would like to give a cost for the manufacture and installation of these pointless signs, particularly as we are living allegedly in austere times. I would also like to hear from the people who received them well according to his statement.
Perhaps Mr Fraser would like to give a cost for the manufacture and installation of these pointless signs, particularly as we are living allegedly in austere times. I would also like to hear from the people who received them well according to his statement. itsallinthe locker

2:02pm Sat 5 Jan 13

jovialcommonsense says...

Itsallinthelocker, in these austere times are you willing to suggest a budget the Highways Dept. should spend on advising all individuals the reasoning for each decision they make?
All road signs are there for those that need them, if you don't need them someone else might.
Having said that, I do feel the country is cluttered with far too many signs.
Itsallinthelocker, in these austere times are you willing to suggest a budget the Highways Dept. should spend on advising all individuals the reasoning for each decision they make? All road signs are there for those that need them, if you don't need them someone else might. Having said that, I do feel the country is cluttered with far too many signs. jovialcommonsense

2:04pm Sat 5 Jan 13

martduke says...

nanny state gone mad again.has no one got common sense any more or do we just have to be told what is right and wrong all the time.i,ll google it?i suggest council spend more money on pothole ahead signs.would be more usefull
nanny state gone mad again.has no one got common sense any more or do we just have to be told what is right and wrong all the time.i,ll google it?i suggest council spend more money on pothole ahead signs.would be more usefull martduke

3:35pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Karl Hunderson says...

CJH wrote:
Karl Hunderson wrote:
CJH wrote: And the problem with leaving them there for long periods of time is that drivers will stop noticing them, like many other pointless traffic signs. Familiarity will breed comtempt.
Really? When I drive around in this country and abroad I see many permanent signs saying beware of fog or ice. I use my common sense. If its likely to be foggy or icy I take heed.
And you need a sign to tell you that? If you are driving the same road every day (not when travelling on business or holiday on unknown roads) you will become immune to the messages.
CJH, our county's roads will be unknown to lots of people. You see they get into their cars and travel from other places. That's the point of roads.
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Karl Hunderson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: And the problem with leaving them there for long periods of time is that drivers will stop noticing them, like many other pointless traffic signs. Familiarity will breed comtempt.[/p][/quote]Really? When I drive around in this country and abroad I see many permanent signs saying beware of fog or ice. I use my common sense. If its likely to be foggy or icy I take heed.[/p][/quote]And you need a sign to tell you that? If you are driving the same road every day (not when travelling on business or holiday on unknown roads) you will become immune to the messages.[/p][/quote]CJH, our county's roads will be unknown to lots of people. You see they get into their cars and travel from other places. That's the point of roads. Karl Hunderson

3:54pm Sat 5 Jan 13

CJH says...

Karl Hunderson wrote:
CJH wrote:
Karl Hunderson wrote:
CJH wrote: And the problem with leaving them there for long periods of time is that drivers will stop noticing them, like many other pointless traffic signs. Familiarity will breed comtempt.
Really? When I drive around in this country and abroad I see many permanent signs saying beware of fog or ice. I use my common sense. If its likely to be foggy or icy I take heed.
And you need a sign to tell you that? If you are driving the same road every day (not when travelling on business or holiday on unknown roads) you will become immune to the messages.
CJH, our county's roads will be unknown to lots of people. You see they get into their cars and travel from other places. That's the point of roads.
But that's the point - you use your common sense and drive within road and weather conditions. What we don't need are signs appearing like weeds all over the place. It's distracting and mainly pointless. Since this 'temporary' sign went up how many times has that particular road been icy? Do the council come and take it away when it's not icy? Nope. And because it's temporary, what are the chances of it being nicked, knocked over or moved? And like a previous comment says - how much has it cost, and please can the council please print details of the people who have taken the trouble to contact them and say how lovely they are? Or do they mean by positive reaction, that no-one has bothered to say anything, which is much more likely. How much longer are these buffoons (and I mean the management and director buffoons, not the poor souls having to do the work, knowing full well their time and our money would be better utilised elsewhere) going to be allowed to continue without being called to account?
[quote][p][bold]Karl Hunderson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Karl Hunderson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: And the problem with leaving them there for long periods of time is that drivers will stop noticing them, like many other pointless traffic signs. Familiarity will breed comtempt.[/p][/quote]Really? When I drive around in this country and abroad I see many permanent signs saying beware of fog or ice. I use my common sense. If its likely to be foggy or icy I take heed.[/p][/quote]And you need a sign to tell you that? If you are driving the same road every day (not when travelling on business or holiday on unknown roads) you will become immune to the messages.[/p][/quote]CJH, our county's roads will be unknown to lots of people. You see they get into their cars and travel from other places. That's the point of roads.[/p][/quote]But that's the point - you use your common sense and drive within road and weather conditions. What we don't need are signs appearing like weeds all over the place. It's distracting and mainly pointless. Since this 'temporary' sign went up how many times has that particular road been icy? Do the council come and take it away when it's not icy? Nope. And because it's temporary, what are the chances of it being nicked, knocked over or moved? And like a previous comment says - how much has it cost, and please can the council please print details of the people who have taken the trouble to contact them and say how lovely they are? Or do they mean by positive reaction, that no-one has bothered to say anything, which is much more likely. How much longer are these buffoons (and I mean the management and director buffoons, not the poor souls having to do the work, knowing full well their time and our money would be better utilised elsewhere) going to be allowed to continue without being called to account? CJH

7:31pm Sat 5 Jan 13

topjock1972 says...

The road signs are on high ground which can be a lot colder than the lower city and also in areas where there is no gritting in severe weather...... And yes they are a good thing!!!!!! Just look at the rta figures for the roads that these signs are on compared to the roads that don't use them
Bet that person in Clifton would soon be crying about the lack of warning signs if he hit a patch of ice.
The road signs are on high ground which can be a lot colder than the lower city and also in areas where there is no gritting in severe weather...... And yes they are a good thing!!!!!! Just look at the rta figures for the roads that these signs are on compared to the roads that don't use them Bet that person in Clifton would soon be crying about the lack of warning signs if he hit a patch of ice. topjock1972

8:14pm Sat 5 Jan 13

CJH says...

topjock1972 wrote:
The road signs are on high ground which can be a lot colder than the lower city and also in areas where there is no gritting in severe weather...... And yes they are a good thing!!!!!! Just look at the rta figures for the roads that these signs are on compared to the roads that don't use them Bet that person in Clifton would soon be crying about the lack of warning signs if he hit a patch of ice.
Well, give us the figures then please. Don't leave us in suspense.
[quote][p][bold]topjock1972[/bold] wrote: The road signs are on high ground which can be a lot colder than the lower city and also in areas where there is no gritting in severe weather...... And yes they are a good thing!!!!!! Just look at the rta figures for the roads that these signs are on compared to the roads that don't use them Bet that person in Clifton would soon be crying about the lack of warning signs if he hit a patch of ice.[/p][/quote]Well, give us the figures then please. Don't leave us in suspense. CJH

9:13pm Sat 5 Jan 13

topjock1972 says...

Each year in Worcestershire there are around 1,500 personal injury road traffic accidents. These accidents result in some 2,000 casualties the majority of which are on well maintained city roads, if you want breakdown of accidents then get in touch with worcester council or view there web site.
The reason this person is not moaning about the amount of flood signs on the roads is because he can see why they are there..... He can't see the ice and as the met office had forecast a winter with temps of -20c, worcester council took the precaution of putting ice signs on B roads that were prone to having freezing patches in the winter giving them the time to concentrate on roads in the county that are classed as accident black spots, like worcs-kiddy
Each year in Worcestershire there are around 1,500 personal injury road traffic accidents. These accidents result in some 2,000 casualties the majority of which are on well maintained city roads, if you want breakdown of accidents then get in touch with worcester council or view there web site. The reason this person is not moaning about the amount of flood signs on the roads is because he can see why they are there..... He can't see the ice and as the met office had forecast a winter with temps of -20c, worcester council took the precaution of putting ice signs on B roads that were prone to having freezing patches in the winter giving them the time to concentrate on roads in the county that are classed as accident black spots, like worcs-kiddy topjock1972

10:34pm Sat 5 Jan 13

batchelorboy says...

I can tell that some of you commenting negatively haven't even seen any of these signs - they are bog standard portable warning signs, not permanent installations.

I for one think they are a very good idea. Being a motorcyclist, I already ride with extra care when I know there is a risk of ice and these signs have just prompted me to take even more care in those areas I ordinarily would never think to be an ice black spot.

Are the signs really hurting anyone?? I guarantee that if some unfortunate soul were to have an accident because of ice, on a road proven to be gritted sufficiently, someone would holler "Where were the warning signs!!". These signs certainly aren't traffic hazards!

Yes more money could be spent on other things like filling in pot holes - which are a bigger danger to me than ice.
I can tell that some of you commenting negatively haven't even seen any of these signs - they are bog standard portable warning signs, not permanent installations. I for one think they are a very good idea. Being a motorcyclist, I already ride with extra care when I know there is a risk of ice and these signs have just prompted me to take even more care in those areas I ordinarily would never think to be an ice black spot. Are the signs really hurting anyone?? I guarantee that if some unfortunate soul were to have an accident because of ice, on a road proven to be gritted sufficiently, someone would holler "Where were the warning signs!!". These signs certainly aren't traffic hazards! Yes more money could be spent on other things like filling in pot holes - which are a bigger danger to me than ice. batchelorboy

11:16am Sun 6 Jan 13

Budweis-her says...

Anybody that either works with the public and/or drives for a living will know that the majority of our population have no common sense, don't take responsibility for themselves any more and really are quite dumb when they're let loose behind the wheel. So these signs can only be a good thing in educating the thickos and lessening the chance of them skidding and crashing into the rest of us that are educated, sensible and have common sense. Anything that reduces the risk has got to be good!
Anybody that either works with the public and/or drives for a living will know that the majority of our population have no common sense, don't take responsibility for themselves any more and really are quite dumb when they're let loose behind the wheel. So these signs can only be a good thing in educating the thickos and lessening the chance of them skidding and crashing into the rest of us that are educated, sensible and have common sense. Anything that reduces the risk has got to be good! Budweis-her

12:22pm Sun 6 Jan 13

saucerer says...

This is yet another idiotic and dim witted idea from the highways department. The ideas that emanate from County Hall really do beggar belief at times as they're generally all poorly conceived at the cost of the tax payer. I wonder what major **** up of a scheme they plan for this year?

As for Jon Fraser, the words than come from this person constantly in the press are laughable, unfounded and short-sighted. As one of the posts said earlier, can he give examples which show that "The response to the new signs has so far been very positive. The majority of drivers and pedestrians appreciate the extra warning these signs"? May be a freedom of information request.

It is about time the overpaid and incompetent highways staff were accountable to the public otherwise money will continue to be squandered on stupid ideas. It is time to bring in the private sector to take control of things.
This is yet another idiotic and dim witted idea from the highways department. The ideas that emanate from County Hall really do beggar belief at times as they're generally all poorly conceived at the cost of the tax payer. I wonder what major **** up of a scheme they plan for this year? As for Jon Fraser, the words than come from this person constantly in the press are laughable, unfounded and short-sighted. As one of the posts said earlier, can he give examples which show that "The response to the new signs has so far been very positive. The majority of drivers and pedestrians appreciate the extra warning these signs"? May be a freedom of information request. It is about time the overpaid and incompetent highways staff were accountable to the public otherwise money will continue to be squandered on stupid ideas. It is time to bring in the private sector to take control of things. saucerer

1:56pm Sun 6 Jan 13

farmeralan1963 says...

CJH wrote:
Anyone taking bets on the Highways Dept recruiting a consultant to help improve their public image?
Not even a magician can save this department. Everyone can see this department is full of buffoons.
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: Anyone taking bets on the Highways Dept recruiting a consultant to help improve their public image?[/p][/quote]Not even a magician can save this department. Everyone can see this department is full of buffoons. farmeralan1963

2:04pm Sun 6 Jan 13

farmeralan1963 says...

These signs just show Jon Fraser and his colleagues are living on cloud cuckoo land. What another pathetic time wasting and costly exercise.

If water is running off fields, does this mean the highways department aren't doing their jobs properly and not clearing drains and ditches?

Talking about signs, what about these slippery road signs we keep seeing everyone in the County, especially after roads are resurfaced (which are few). Some of these signs have been in place for years. Does this suggest that roads are dangerous and that those that have been resurfaced have been done to an unsafe standard?
These signs just show Jon Fraser and his colleagues are living on cloud cuckoo land. What another pathetic time wasting and costly exercise. If water is running off fields, does this mean the highways department aren't doing their jobs properly and not clearing drains and ditches? Talking about signs, what about these slippery road signs we keep seeing everyone in the County, especially after roads are resurfaced (which are few). Some of these signs have been in place for years. Does this suggest that roads are dangerous and that those that have been resurfaced have been done to an unsafe standard? farmeralan1963

2:08pm Sun 6 Jan 13

farmeralan1963 says...

On a different story, a public meeting is being held on the 15th of this month to discuss the revised and dangerous Whittington roundabout. But guess what? Mr Fraser has informed me that his department are refusing to attend. How dare the highways department display such arrogance and ignorance and treat the tax payer with such utter contempt.
On a different story, a public meeting is being held on the 15th of this month to discuss the revised and dangerous Whittington roundabout. But guess what? Mr Fraser has informed me that his department are refusing to attend. How dare the highways department display such arrogance and ignorance and treat the tax payer with such utter contempt. farmeralan1963

3:19pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Redhillman says...

farmeralan1963 wrote:
On a different story, a public meeting is being held on the 15th of this month to discuss the revised and dangerous Whittington roundabout. But guess what? Mr Fraser has informed me that his department are refusing to attend. How dare the highways department display such arrogance and ignorance and treat the tax payer with such utter contempt.
Can't say I am surprised that they are refusing to attend, which is a total disgrace. But they are cowards and if they can, they will try and avoid meeting and talking to the public because they're scared as well as knowing they've messed things up but don't want to admit their errors because they're too arrogant. I hope this meeting has a petition calling for those responsible for the roundabout changes to be sacked.
[quote][p][bold]farmeralan1963[/bold] wrote: On a different story, a public meeting is being held on the 15th of this month to discuss the revised and dangerous Whittington roundabout. But guess what? Mr Fraser has informed me that his department are refusing to attend. How dare the highways department display such arrogance and ignorance and treat the tax payer with such utter contempt.[/p][/quote]Can't say I am surprised that they are refusing to attend, which is a total disgrace. But they are cowards and if they can, they will try and avoid meeting and talking to the public because they're scared as well as knowing they've messed things up but don't want to admit their errors because they're too arrogant. I hope this meeting has a petition calling for those responsible for the roundabout changes to be sacked. Redhillman

5:28pm Sun 6 Jan 13

RobertR says...

Both Gloucestershire and Worcestershire highways depts seem to have an obsession to litter the countryside with unnecessary road signs. In a 300 yd stretch near Pershore college there are 21 signs.Between Aston Cross and The M5 at Ashcurch 30 signs some just a path width apart for the cycle path hardly anyone one uses. The Whittington roundabout is just dangerous.
Both Gloucestershire and Worcestershire highways depts seem to have an obsession to litter the countryside with unnecessary road signs. In a 300 yd stretch near Pershore college there are 21 signs.Between Aston Cross and The M5 at Ashcurch 30 signs some just a path width apart for the cycle path hardly anyone one uses. The Whittington roundabout is just dangerous. RobertR

6:40pm Sun 6 Jan 13

itsallinthe locker says...

The lack of comment from John Fraser, Customer and Community Manager whatever that is, speaks volumes.
The lack of comment from John Fraser, Customer and Community Manager whatever that is, speaks volumes. itsallinthe locker

7:01pm Sun 6 Jan 13

WilkoJ says...

itsallinthe locker wrote:
The lack of comment from John Fraser, Customer and Community Manager whatever that is, speaks volumes.
All we ever hear from him, whether it be in the papers, radio or TV, are a lot of words and noise but very little substance. He's just a PR person on lots of money, just like the equally inept highway liaison engineers who I've dealt with.
[quote][p][bold]itsallinthe locker[/bold] wrote: The lack of comment from John Fraser, Customer and Community Manager whatever that is, speaks volumes.[/p][/quote]All we ever hear from him, whether it be in the papers, radio or TV, are a lot of words and noise but very little substance. He's just a PR person on lots of money, just like the equally inept highway liaison engineers who I've dealt with. WilkoJ

7:10pm Sun 6 Jan 13

WilkoJ says...

farmeralan1963 wrote:
On a different story, a public meeting is being held on the 15th of this month to discuss the revised and dangerous Whittington roundabout. But guess what? Mr Fraser has informed me that his department are refusing to attend. How dare the highways department display such arrogance and ignorance and treat the tax payer with such utter contempt.
I contacted the highways people last week about this meeting, asking if they were due to turn up, but it seems my question has been answered. If they have decided to ignore the public, it's time we took things in to our own hands and start calling for heads to roll and name and shame these ignorant people. If this ignorance was displayed in the private sector, someone would have been sacked.
[quote][p][bold]farmeralan1963[/bold] wrote: On a different story, a public meeting is being held on the 15th of this month to discuss the revised and dangerous Whittington roundabout. But guess what? Mr Fraser has informed me that his department are refusing to attend. How dare the highways department display such arrogance and ignorance and treat the tax payer with such utter contempt.[/p][/quote]I contacted the highways people last week about this meeting, asking if they were due to turn up, but it seems my question has been answered. If they have decided to ignore the public, it's time we took things in to our own hands and start calling for heads to roll and name and shame these ignorant people. If this ignorance was displayed in the private sector, someone would have been sacked. WilkoJ

8:04pm Sun 6 Jan 13

mr.meldrew says...

public servants should be accountable to the public.i.e. us....think maybe they cant claim expenses to attend that meeting ...any thoughts.
public servants should be accountable to the public.i.e. us....think maybe they cant claim expenses to attend that meeting ...any thoughts. mr.meldrew

10:10pm Sun 6 Jan 13

saucerer says...

mr.meldrew wrote:
public servants should be accountable to the public.i.e. us....think maybe they cant claim expenses to attend that meeting ...any thoughts.
Couldn't agree more but public sector staff in councils fail to recognise that they are our servants, it's our money they spend and we pay their large salaries.

There's a point, with the meeting being held in Little Venice, I'd have thought council staff would have jumped at the chance to turn up to have a slap meal and some drinks and claim it all on expenses. Not to mention the overtime that will be claimed and travel expenses.
[quote][p][bold]mr.meldrew[/bold] wrote: public servants should be accountable to the public.i.e. us....think maybe they cant claim expenses to attend that meeting ...any thoughts.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more but public sector staff in councils fail to recognise that they are our servants, it's our money they spend and we pay their large salaries. There's a point, with the meeting being held in Little Venice, I'd have thought council staff would have jumped at the chance to turn up to have a slap meal and some drinks and claim it all on expenses. Not to mention the overtime that will be claimed and travel expenses. saucerer

10:41pm Sun 6 Jan 13

jovialcommonsense says...

It seems to me that if a Highways dept representative did attend you have all ready made your minds up not to listen.
It feels like you are all twitching at the noose thrown over the tree.
Constantly moaning and using derogatory language which would inflame any reasonable person.
It seems to me that if a Highways dept representative did attend you have all ready made your minds up not to listen. It feels like you are all twitching at the noose thrown over the tree. Constantly moaning and using derogatory language which would inflame any reasonable person. jovialcommonsense

8:54am Mon 7 Jan 13

one94 says...

I've only seen these signs in one place - near the Blackpole turn off of the A449. They were a good idea as well, as the road was very slippery. However, I dont understand why there are so many signs left up after they are no longer needed. Like the ones saying "Caution, New Road Surface" from years ago. At least these can (and should) be picked up when not needed any more
I've only seen these signs in one place - near the Blackpole turn off of the A449. They were a good idea as well, as the road was very slippery. However, I dont understand why there are so many signs left up after they are no longer needed. Like the ones saying "Caution, New Road Surface" from years ago. At least these can (and should) be picked up when not needed any more one94

8:55am Mon 7 Jan 13

uptonX says...

^^ No, but something has to be done and something has to change soon as there are real and serious problems at the moment with Worcestershire Highways. This is more than money, it's people lives they are playing with. The people of Worcester are pretty much one voice on this, we have to get to a situation where the staff in the Highways department are competent, that was the case in the past but is clearly not at the moment. Of course people make mistakes but the staff there behave live petulant children and run and hide rather than fix the issues - such as at Whittington where new puddles of broken glass can be seen every couple of days.
^^ No, but something has to be done and something has to change soon as there are real and serious problems at the moment with Worcestershire Highways. This is more than money, it's people lives they are playing with. The people of Worcester are pretty much one voice on this, we have to get to a situation where the staff in the Highways department are competent, that was the case in the past but is clearly not at the moment. Of course people make mistakes but the staff there behave live petulant children and run and hide rather than fix the issues - such as at Whittington where new puddles of broken glass can be seen every couple of days. uptonX

9:06am Mon 7 Jan 13

reflector says...

I have to say that the first time I saw one of these signs, it was on a 'B' road where standing water had frozen with patches of black ice. It did alert me to the danger and I negotiated theroad safely ..............so on that occasion it worked well.

The sign is still there after six weeks or so, since when there has been no ice so that now I take little notice of it.

One other problem is that there are dozens of similar potential danger spots which have no such signs. If you sign only some hazards, are people not to conclude that the absence of a sign elsewhere means, that all is safe?
I have to say that the first time I saw one of these signs, it was on a 'B' road where standing water had frozen with patches of black ice. It did alert me to the danger and I negotiated theroad safely ..............so on that occasion it worked well. The sign is still there after six weeks or so, since when there has been no ice so that now I take little notice of it. One other problem is that there are dozens of similar potential danger spots which have no such signs. If you sign only some hazards, are people not to conclude that the absence of a sign elsewhere means, that all is safe? reflector

9:13am Mon 7 Jan 13

reflector says...

Whilst on the wider subject of Worcestershire's roads, has anyone noticed the dreadful state of several recently resurfaced roads?

One such example is the A38 through Wychbold which had a nice new surface only a few months ago but is now sprouting potholes on a daily basis. This must call into question the specification of the work and/or the way it was carried out and inspected. One hopes that those responsible are being taken to task and that it will be remedied at no cost to the taxpayer (but I am not holding my breath!).
Whilst on the wider subject of Worcestershire's roads, has anyone noticed the dreadful state of several recently resurfaced roads? One such example is the A38 through Wychbold which had a nice new surface only a few months ago but is now sprouting potholes on a daily basis. This must call into question the specification of the work and/or the way it was carried out and inspected. One hopes that those responsible are being taken to task and that it will be remedied at no cost to the taxpayer (but I am not holding my breath!). reflector

10:03am Mon 7 Jan 13

dulon says...

We had the road resurfaced in my area 4 years ago ,,,guess what ? We still have new road surface signs in place !
Would anybody from the WCC like to comment on this ?
We have counted over 200 signs between our rural village and the worcester city perimeter . The average motorist is blessed with a brain albeit some more capable than others. However the erection of temporary signs should mean temporary not 4 b...y years . The ice signs should be relevant to the prevailing conditions.
We had the road resurfaced in my area 4 years ago ,,,guess what ? We still have new road surface signs in place ! Would anybody from the WCC like to comment on this ? We have counted over 200 signs between our rural village and the worcester city perimeter . The average motorist is blessed with a brain albeit some more capable than others. However the erection of temporary signs should mean temporary not 4 b...y years . The ice signs should be relevant to the prevailing conditions. dulon

11:32am Mon 7 Jan 13

Guy66 says...

farmeralan1963 wrote:
CJH wrote:
Anyone taking bets on the Highways Dept recruiting a consultant to help improve their public image?
Not even a magician can save this department. Everyone can see this department is full of buffoons.
**** I thought you said balloons which would be ideal for a children's magician!
[quote][p][bold]farmeralan1963[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: Anyone taking bets on the Highways Dept recruiting a consultant to help improve their public image?[/p][/quote]Not even a magician can save this department. Everyone can see this department is full of buffoons.[/p][/quote]**** I thought you said balloons which would be ideal for a children's magician! Guy66

12:47pm Mon 7 Jan 13

CJH says...

Guy66 wrote:
farmeralan1963 wrote:
CJH wrote: Anyone taking bets on the Highways Dept recruiting a consultant to help improve their public image?
Not even a magician can save this department. Everyone can see this department is full of buffoons.
**** I thought you said balloons which would be ideal for a children's magician!
Buffoons/balloons...
both full of hot air!
[quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farmeralan1963[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: Anyone taking bets on the Highways Dept recruiting a consultant to help improve their public image?[/p][/quote]Not even a magician can save this department. Everyone can see this department is full of buffoons.[/p][/quote]**** I thought you said balloons which would be ideal for a children's magician![/p][/quote]Buffoons/balloons... both full of hot air! CJH

2:01pm Mon 7 Jan 13

mrwrighty says...

reflector wrote:
Whilst on the wider subject of Worcestershire's roads, has anyone noticed the dreadful state of several recently resurfaced roads? One such example is the A38 through Wychbold which had a nice new surface only a few months ago but is now sprouting potholes on a daily basis. This must call into question the specification of the work and/or the way it was carried out and inspected. One hopes that those responsible are being taken to task and that it will be remedied at no cost to the taxpayer (but I am not holding my breath!).
Specification what specification. I know a number of very good contractors that have all the required safety certification to do these jobs to the correct standards, however on numerous occasions they quote the work but are under cut by other companies that do not carry the same levels of certification. The departments are only interested in the bottom line cost, not the longevity of the repair. The companies I know are fully aware that the businesses that 'Win' the contracts are not up to scratch regarding working practises, but this does not seem to bother the department when they award the contracts, even though the department themselves dictate the levels of competancy and safety certification that is required by subcontractors.
[quote][p][bold]reflector[/bold] wrote: Whilst on the wider subject of Worcestershire's roads, has anyone noticed the dreadful state of several recently resurfaced roads? One such example is the A38 through Wychbold which had a nice new surface only a few months ago but is now sprouting potholes on a daily basis. This must call into question the specification of the work and/or the way it was carried out and inspected. One hopes that those responsible are being taken to task and that it will be remedied at no cost to the taxpayer (but I am not holding my breath!).[/p][/quote]Specification what specification. I know a number of very good contractors that have all the required safety certification to do these jobs to the correct standards, however on numerous occasions they quote the work but are under cut by other companies that do not carry the same levels of certification. The departments are only interested in the bottom line cost, not the longevity of the repair. The companies I know are fully aware that the businesses that 'Win' the contracts are not up to scratch regarding working practises, but this does not seem to bother the department when they award the contracts, even though the department themselves dictate the levels of competancy and safety certification that is required by subcontractors. mrwrighty

7:10pm Mon 7 Jan 13

RobertR says...

Back in the summer the road from Pershore to the Lt.Comberton crossroads was resurfaced using gravel chippings.There was nothing wrong with the old surface but, after completion the contractor left all the loose chippings on the road.I'm a motorcyclist as well as a and car driver was nearly brought off after hitting a huge pile left at the Pensham junction. I called the highways dept who blamed the contractor.I called the contractor who said it was highways.I called Wychavon who said it was highways. I called the police who said that they would see if it was a hazard.
Every morning at 05.30 Pershore's road sweeper parked next to the pile of grit but completely ingored the loose gravel. Eventually it was cleared ,but, I don't know who by.
Back in the summer the road from Pershore to the Lt.Comberton crossroads was resurfaced using gravel chippings.There was nothing wrong with the old surface but, after completion the contractor left all the loose chippings on the road.I'm a motorcyclist as well as a and car driver was nearly brought off after hitting a huge pile left at the Pensham junction. I called the highways dept who blamed the contractor.I called the contractor who said it was highways.I called Wychavon who said it was highways. I called the police who said that they would see if it was a hazard. Every morning at 05.30 Pershore's road sweeper parked next to the pile of grit but completely ingored the loose gravel. Eventually it was cleared ,but, I don't know who by. RobertR

8:30pm Mon 7 Jan 13

saucerer says...

RobertR wrote:
Back in the summer the road from Pershore to the Lt.Comberton crossroads was resurfaced using gravel chippings.There was nothing wrong with the old surface but, after completion the contractor left all the loose chippings on the road.I'm a motorcyclist as well as a and car driver was nearly brought off after hitting a huge pile left at the Pensham junction. I called the highways dept who blamed the contractor.I called the contractor who said it was highways.I called Wychavon who said it was highways. I called the police who said that they would see if it was a hazard.
Every morning at 05.30 Pershore's road sweeper parked next to the pile of grit but completely ingored the loose gravel. Eventually it was cleared ,but, I don't know who by.
Sounds like another classic example of the highways department doing an awful job from the outset and then washing their hands, not wanting to know anymore. And with these stories of roads failing after only a few years after being resurfaced just suggests that money is constantly being squandered on poor quality work.

Is it not their job to monitor the standards of workmanship or have the highway "engineers" specified poor quality work from the outset?
[quote][p][bold]RobertR[/bold] wrote: Back in the summer the road from Pershore to the Lt.Comberton crossroads was resurfaced using gravel chippings.There was nothing wrong with the old surface but, after completion the contractor left all the loose chippings on the road.I'm a motorcyclist as well as a and car driver was nearly brought off after hitting a huge pile left at the Pensham junction. I called the highways dept who blamed the contractor.I called the contractor who said it was highways.I called Wychavon who said it was highways. I called the police who said that they would see if it was a hazard. Every morning at 05.30 Pershore's road sweeper parked next to the pile of grit but completely ingored the loose gravel. Eventually it was cleared ,but, I don't know who by.[/p][/quote]Sounds like another classic example of the highways department doing an awful job from the outset and then washing their hands, not wanting to know anymore. And with these stories of roads failing after only a few years after being resurfaced just suggests that money is constantly being squandered on poor quality work. Is it not their job to monitor the standards of workmanship or have the highway "engineers" specified poor quality work from the outset? saucerer

8:48pm Mon 7 Jan 13

CYNIC_AL says...

Will the council be putting out "Wet" signs when it rains?
Will the council be putting out "Wet" signs when it rains? CYNIC_AL

9:20pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Redhillman says...

saucerer wrote:
RobertR wrote:
Back in the summer the road from Pershore to the Lt.Comberton crossroads was resurfaced using gravel chippings.There was nothing wrong with the old surface but, after completion the contractor left all the loose chippings on the road.I'm a motorcyclist as well as a and car driver was nearly brought off after hitting a huge pile left at the Pensham junction. I called the highways dept who blamed the contractor.I called the contractor who said it was highways.I called Wychavon who said it was highways. I called the police who said that they would see if it was a hazard.
Every morning at 05.30 Pershore's road sweeper parked next to the pile of grit but completely ingored the loose gravel. Eventually it was cleared ,but, I don't know who by.
Sounds like another classic example of the highways department doing an awful job from the outset and then washing their hands, not wanting to know anymore. And with these stories of roads failing after only a few years after being resurfaced just suggests that money is constantly being squandered on poor quality work.

Is it not their job to monitor the standards of workmanship or have the highway "engineers" specified poor quality work from the outset?
The only thing they can engineer are large salaries and incompetence!
[quote][p][bold]saucerer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RobertR[/bold] wrote: Back in the summer the road from Pershore to the Lt.Comberton crossroads was resurfaced using gravel chippings.There was nothing wrong with the old surface but, after completion the contractor left all the loose chippings on the road.I'm a motorcyclist as well as a and car driver was nearly brought off after hitting a huge pile left at the Pensham junction. I called the highways dept who blamed the contractor.I called the contractor who said it was highways.I called Wychavon who said it was highways. I called the police who said that they would see if it was a hazard. Every morning at 05.30 Pershore's road sweeper parked next to the pile of grit but completely ingored the loose gravel. Eventually it was cleared ,but, I don't know who by.[/p][/quote]Sounds like another classic example of the highways department doing an awful job from the outset and then washing their hands, not wanting to know anymore. And with these stories of roads failing after only a few years after being resurfaced just suggests that money is constantly being squandered on poor quality work. Is it not their job to monitor the standards of workmanship or have the highway "engineers" specified poor quality work from the outset?[/p][/quote]The only thing they can engineer are large salaries and incompetence! Redhillman

9:22pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Redhillman says...

CYNIC_AL wrote:
Will the council be putting out "Wet" signs when it rains?
Ha ha ha, very good. Thing is, you wouldn't be against them doing it.
[quote][p][bold]CYNIC_AL[/bold] wrote: Will the council be putting out "Wet" signs when it rains?[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha, very good. Thing is, you wouldn't be against them doing it. Redhillman

10:21pm Mon 7 Jan 13

uptonX says...

So, how about a bit of action from the newspaper, opinion above is very clear. About time the Highways Department were called to account. We need "our" Worcester News to get on the case.
So, how about a bit of action from the newspaper, opinion above is very clear. About time the Highways Department were called to account. We need "our" Worcester News to get on the case. uptonX

10:49am Tue 8 Jan 13

Karl Hunderson says...

uptonX wrote:
So, how about a bit of action from the newspaper, opinion above is very clear. About time the Highways Department were called to account. We need "our" Worcester News to get on the case.
Good idea. We could have a photo of the handful of contributors on here with a bee in their bonnet about the highways department all stood with their grumpy, know-it-all faces on and their arms folded.
[quote][p][bold]uptonX[/bold] wrote: So, how about a bit of action from the newspaper, opinion above is very clear. About time the Highways Department were called to account. We need "our" Worcester News to get on the case.[/p][/quote]Good idea. We could have a photo of the handful of contributors on here with a bee in their bonnet about the highways department all stood with their grumpy, know-it-all faces on and their arms folded. Karl Hunderson

1:21pm Tue 8 Jan 13

batchelorboy says...

CYNIC_AL wrote:
Will the council be putting out "Wet" signs when it rains?
How stupid!

You can see rain, you can't see ice until it's too late.

So much slander within these comments! You think therefore you are...
[quote][p][bold]CYNIC_AL[/bold] wrote: Will the council be putting out "Wet" signs when it rains?[/p][/quote]How stupid! You can see rain, you can't see ice until it's too late. So much slander within these comments! You think therefore you are... batchelorboy

7:54pm Tue 8 Jan 13

uptonX says...

Noticed today the Worcestershire Highways "New road layout" signs are still at the Wychbold M5 Junction 5 roundabout. That work was all finished sometime in 2010.
When the ice warning signs are still in place next August you can just hear their PR people saying they are out "in preperation for the winter".
Idiots, come on Worcester News, do something about it.
Noticed today the Worcestershire Highways "New road layout" signs are still at the Wychbold M5 Junction 5 roundabout. That work was all finished sometime in 2010. When the ice warning signs are still in place next August you can just hear their PR people saying they are out "in preperation for the winter". Idiots, come on Worcester News, do something about it. uptonX

2:13pm Wed 9 Jan 13

More Tea Vicar says...

The Council seemed to me to do a pretty good job of keeping roads ice-free during the cold spell.

As for these signs, I can kind of understand why they're there, and their presence doesn't bother me. But why not make them permanent, rather than the temporary one shown, at spots that are known to be ice-prone, same as cross-wind notices on bridges and high ground?
The Council seemed to me to do a pretty good job of keeping roads ice-free during the cold spell. As for these signs, I can kind of understand why they're there, and their presence doesn't bother me. But why not make them permanent, rather than the temporary one shown, at spots that are known to be ice-prone, same as cross-wind notices on bridges and high ground? More Tea Vicar

5:01pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Audi Driver says...

topjock1972 wrote:
Each year in Worcestershire there are around 1,500 personal injury road traffic accidents. These accidents result in some 2,000 casualties the majority of which are on well maintained city roads, if you want breakdown of accidents then get in touch with worcester council or view there web site. The reason this person is not moaning about the amount of flood signs on the roads is because he can see why they are there..... He can't see the ice and as the met office had forecast a winter with temps of -20c, worcester council took the precaution of putting ice signs on B roads that were prone to having freezing patches in the winter giving them the time to concentrate on roads in the county that are classed as accident black spots, like worcs-kiddy
Topjock1972
I didn't know that the A44 was a B road.... Plus have you seen the way the put the signes there?? the verge is too small so they place half of them on the road, right in front of a sharp bend.
These signs might be handy for people unfamiliar to these roads, but please put them somewhere sensible. And take them away when no longer needed. This includes the flood and "try your brakes" signs
[quote][p][bold]topjock1972[/bold] wrote: Each year in Worcestershire there are around 1,500 personal injury road traffic accidents. These accidents result in some 2,000 casualties the majority of which are on well maintained city roads, if you want breakdown of accidents then get in touch with worcester council or view there web site. The reason this person is not moaning about the amount of flood signs on the roads is because he can see why they are there..... He can't see the ice and as the met office had forecast a winter with temps of -20c, worcester council took the precaution of putting ice signs on B roads that were prone to having freezing patches in the winter giving them the time to concentrate on roads in the county that are classed as accident black spots, like worcs-kiddy[/p][/quote]Topjock1972 I didn't know that the A44 was a B road.... Plus have you seen the way the put the signes there?? the verge is too small so they place half of them on the road, right in front of a sharp bend. These signs might be handy for people unfamiliar to these roads, but please put them somewhere sensible. And take them away when no longer needed. This includes the flood and "try your brakes" signs Audi Driver

5:55pm Wed 9 Jan 13

DarrenM says...

Could they put signs on roundabouts instead telling people how they work?

The current approved highway code method in Worcestershire; seems to be drive up to a completely clear one in any lane you like, stop and wait for some cars to appear, then go round in any lane you like regardless of the exit you want before leaving without signalling. For bonus points try and straddle two lanes.
Could they put signs on roundabouts instead telling people how they work? The current approved highway code method in Worcestershire; seems to be drive up to a completely clear one in any lane you like, stop and wait for some cars to appear, then go round in any lane you like regardless of the exit you want before leaving without signalling. For bonus points try and straddle two lanes. DarrenM

6:44pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Redhillman says...

uptonX wrote:
Noticed today the Worcestershire Highways "New road layout" signs are still at the Wychbold M5 Junction 5 roundabout. That work was all finished sometime in 2010.
When the ice warning signs are still in place next August you can just hear their PR people saying they are out "in preperation for the winter".
Idiots, come on Worcester News, do something about it.
The utter incompetence and poor management of the highways department needs to be exposed, with staff named and shamed, as well as being accountable to the public, while we should have the power to ask staff to consider their positions when things go wrong, which is all too often.

Can the WN not to the tax payer a favour and do an exposé on this department, with some investigative journalism. And it is high time public meetings are held so that we can all come face to face with these staff and put them on the spot, as at the moment they're hidden behind closed doors in their offices. Come on WN.
[quote][p][bold]uptonX[/bold] wrote: Noticed today the Worcestershire Highways "New road layout" signs are still at the Wychbold M5 Junction 5 roundabout. That work was all finished sometime in 2010. When the ice warning signs are still in place next August you can just hear their PR people saying they are out "in preperation for the winter". Idiots, come on Worcester News, do something about it.[/p][/quote]The utter incompetence and poor management of the highways department needs to be exposed, with staff named and shamed, as well as being accountable to the public, while we should have the power to ask staff to consider their positions when things go wrong, which is all too often. Can the WN not to the tax payer a favour and do an exposé on this department, with some investigative journalism. And it is high time public meetings are held so that we can all come face to face with these staff and put them on the spot, as at the moment they're hidden behind closed doors in their offices. Come on WN. Redhillman

10:06pm Wed 9 Jan 13

MulsanneChap says...

The first proper highways story this year in the Worcester News, and it didn't take long for the anti highways department massive to have their say. Although not all negative comments, which makes a change, 51 comments up until now since Saturday. And the article was only about signs!
The first proper highways story this year in the Worcester News, and it didn't take long for the anti highways department massive to have their say. Although not all negative comments, which makes a change, 51 comments up until now since Saturday. And the article was only about signs! MulsanneChap

10:16pm Wed 9 Jan 13

CJH says...

The legacy of Clr Prodger lives on...and be honest, there's no smoke without fire. (or there's no road without unnecessary road signs)
The legacy of Clr Prodger lives on...and be honest, there's no smoke without fire. (or there's no road without unnecessary road signs) CJH

10:30pm Wed 9 Jan 13

saucerer says...

Anyone watch World's Most Dangerous Roads on BBC2 tonight? I wonder if the next episode will focus on Worcestershire, with a special feature on the Whittington roundabout. May be an opportunity to see Jon Fraser, knowing how much he loves being on the television!
Anyone watch World's Most Dangerous Roads on BBC2 tonight? I wonder if the next episode will focus on Worcestershire, with a special feature on the Whittington roundabout. May be an opportunity to see Jon Fraser, knowing how much he loves being on the television! saucerer

8:55am Thu 10 Jan 13

farmeralan1963 says...

Hopefully Mr Fraser will be seen in person at next week's Whittington roundabout meeting along with his colleagues. Maybe they'd like themselves filmed so they can reflect on how badly they have tried to defend the roundabout as being acceptable and safe.
Hopefully Mr Fraser will be seen in person at next week's Whittington roundabout meeting along with his colleagues. Maybe they'd like themselves filmed so they can reflect on how badly they have tried to defend the roundabout as being acceptable and safe. farmeralan1963

12:34pm Thu 10 Jan 13

MrWXYZ says...

DarrenM wrote:
Could they put signs on roundabouts instead telling people how they work? The current approved highway code method in Worcestershire; seems to be drive up to a completely clear one in any lane you like, stop and wait for some cars to appear, then go round in any lane you like regardless of the exit you want before leaving without signalling. For bonus points try and straddle two lanes.
Quality - although worryingly this is observational humour so what happens.

Add - if criticised blame the road layout and/or other users for not giving way to you at all times.
[quote][p][bold]DarrenM[/bold] wrote: Could they put signs on roundabouts instead telling people how they work? The current approved highway code method in Worcestershire; seems to be drive up to a completely clear one in any lane you like, stop and wait for some cars to appear, then go round in any lane you like regardless of the exit you want before leaving without signalling. For bonus points try and straddle two lanes.[/p][/quote]Quality - although worryingly this is observational humour so what happens. Add - if criticised blame the road layout and/or other users for not giving way to you at all times. MrWXYZ

4:38pm Thu 10 Jan 13

reflector says...

mrwrighty wrote:
reflector wrote:
Whilst on the wider subject of Worcestershire's roads, has anyone noticed the dreadful state of several recently resurfaced roads? One such example is the A38 through Wychbold which had a nice new surface only a few months ago but is now sprouting potholes on a daily basis. This must call into question the specification of the work and/or the way it was carried out and inspected. One hopes that those responsible are being taken to task and that it will be remedied at no cost to the taxpayer (but I am not holding my breath!).
Specification what specification. I know a number of very good contractors that have all the required safety certification to do these jobs to the correct standards, however on numerous occasions they quote the work but are under cut by other companies that do not carry the same levels of certification. The departments are only interested in the bottom line cost, not the longevity of the repair. The companies I know are fully aware that the businesses that 'Win' the contracts are not up to scratch regarding working practises, but this does not seem to bother the department when they award the contracts, even though the department themselves dictate the levels of competancy and safety certification that is required by subcontractors.
Pleased to see that a gang was at work in Wychbold this afternoon dealing with potholes.

However, unless someone gets to grips with the underlying problem of a badly constructed surface, they will be returning frequently.
[quote][p][bold]mrwrighty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reflector[/bold] wrote: Whilst on the wider subject of Worcestershire's roads, has anyone noticed the dreadful state of several recently resurfaced roads? One such example is the A38 through Wychbold which had a nice new surface only a few months ago but is now sprouting potholes on a daily basis. This must call into question the specification of the work and/or the way it was carried out and inspected. One hopes that those responsible are being taken to task and that it will be remedied at no cost to the taxpayer (but I am not holding my breath!).[/p][/quote]Specification what specification. I know a number of very good contractors that have all the required safety certification to do these jobs to the correct standards, however on numerous occasions they quote the work but are under cut by other companies that do not carry the same levels of certification. The departments are only interested in the bottom line cost, not the longevity of the repair. The companies I know are fully aware that the businesses that 'Win' the contracts are not up to scratch regarding working practises, but this does not seem to bother the department when they award the contracts, even though the department themselves dictate the levels of competancy and safety certification that is required by subcontractors.[/p][/quote]Pleased to see that a gang was at work in Wychbold this afternoon dealing with potholes. However, unless someone gets to grips with the underlying problem of a badly constructed surface, they will be returning frequently. reflector
Post a comment

Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link.

click2find

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree