'This area is very bad and there is too much crime' (From Worcester News)
Get involved! Send your photos, video, news & views by texting WN NEWS to 80360 or e-mail us
'This area is very bad and there is too much crime'
7:00am Saturday 5th January 2013 in News
By James Connell
CRIME SCENE: A policeman on duty outside the scene of the killing in Teme Road, Worcester. 0113214801
NEIGHBOURS have spoken of their shock after a man was stabbed to death in their street.
Mother Ilona Svanka lives opposite the home where 39-year-old Adrian Locke was found murdered in Teme Road, Tolladine, Worcester, at 7.22pm on Wednesday.
The 28-year-old, who has lived at the house since August with her mother, husband and four children returned home from shopping to find 12 police vehicles, including cars, vans and bikes parked outside and the road cordoned off.
She said: “The police said there was some kind of accident but they didn’t say someone was killed. “The paramedics were trying to revive him for 30 to 40 minutes my mum said.”
Mrs Svanka had seen Mr Locke the morning of his death as he put the bins out while wearing a dressing gown.
Mrs Svanka said her mother, Dzintra Svanka, aged 53, who lives with her but speaks no English, had told her she had watched the paramedics try to save his life and then his body taken away by ambulance.
Mrs Svanka had been out shopping and returned to find police were not allowing cars through.
She said: “When I heard I was a little bit scared. It was like something from the movies.
“That evening my mum was terrified. She didn’t know what was happening. She saw the body and she remembered it was the guy who was carrying out the bin in the morning. She was really, really scared.”
A 31-year-old woman, who declined to be named, said she was not surprised when it happened.
“This area is very bad and there is too much crime. I’m worried as a parent. I have one and I’m pregnant with my second. I wish I could move from here. I have been living here three years and I have seen too much crime.”
Graham Poole, 63, who lives a few doors away from where the murder happened, said: “All we heard on the night was banging and shouting but it’s nothing unusual. The police were searching the gardens and the bins. They said they were trying to find evidence.
“They were looking for the murder weapon. A policewoman asked if we had any CCTV. I wasn’t really surprised. There’s always fighting. It’s a regular thing.”
Mr Poole, who has lived in Teme Road for 40 years, said he had seen a car sliding down the road on its roof, an explosion, fights and had been threatened a couple of times.
A woman, who declined to be named, said: “It is absolutely shocking. He kept himself to himself but I spoke to him a few times.
“It does petrify me. This is normal for Teme Road and Avon Road. It’s like Beirut here. There’s fights and drugs. This has shaken us all.
“He was so young. He was always a happy bloke and he wouldn’t hurt anybody that I know of. I hope they found out who did it because nobody deserves it.”
Comments(75)
thecigarman
says...
11:27am Sat 5 Jan 13
gmoore1207
says...
12:58pm Sat 5 Jan 13
thecigarman
says...
1:24pm Sat 5 Jan 13
gmoore1207 wrote:Correct. Avery good friend of mine has a converted mill in west yorkshire with 84 apartments in it, when he first started renting them out 5 yrs ago he would let to working people. Guess what now, there all eastern europeans and 76 are claiming housing benefit, but most of them are still working. i said hows they get away with it so blatent, his answer the authorities havent got a clue and dont care. This government hasent got a clue. They say that theres a million migrants here. just go to parts of brum or boston, or bradford and stand on the streets for a day and do a count. I bet it exceeds a mill just in those 3 places. Were doomed if we dont start sticking together. The franch dont put up with the crap because they sick together we dont.
i blame the goverment letting all these eastern europeans come here ther have been a few deported for violence and being drunk we do not need these people in our!!!!!!!! country
thecigarman
says...
1:24pm Sat 5 Jan 13
gmoore1207 wrote:Correct. Avery good friend of mine has a converted mill in west yorkshire with 84 apartments in it, when he first started renting them out 5 yrs ago he would let to working people. Guess what now, there all eastern europeans and 76 are claiming housing benefit, but most of them are still working. i said hows they get away with it so blatent, his answer the authorities havent got a clue and dont care. This government hasent got a clue. They say that theres a million migrants here. just go to parts of brum or boston, or bradford and stand on the streets for a day and do a count. I bet it exceeds a mill just in those 3 places. Were doomed if we dont start sticking together. The franch dont put up with the crap because they sick together we dont.
i blame the goverment letting all these eastern europeans come here ther have been a few deported for violence and being drunk we do not need these people in our!!!!!!!! country
The Doosra
says...
7:45pm Sat 5 Jan 13
thecigarman wrote:So, you choose to tar all "Eastern Europeans" with the same brush then? You know this for certain do you? Clearly, no indigenous "Englishmen" ever commit crime. Why oh why does the WN allow racist comments like this?
never speak ill of the dead the above comment, you have to treat as you find in life, and never beleave everything you read. The eastern europeans have made inner cities a lot worse, i have been to a lot in recent years, and its the same everywhere. They have no fear its the way there bought up. This country has got a serious problum. Nothing will change untill we Englishmen stick together and unite. The establishment are wasting too many resources on non relevant matters. They need to geinto the real world. Adies death wont be the last it will get a lot worse. God help us all.
thecigarman
says...
10:39pm Sat 5 Jan 13
jennifer1995 wrote:you want to get out a bit jennifer 1995. you odvously have a personal grudge against Adie.
Don't go off track cigarman, we're talking about one Englishman here who had chosen to violently hurt other englishmen and WOMEN this is nothing to do with foreigners however, it's easy to blame other people. He choose his path as we all do and now his family are paying for it again!
thecigarman
says...
10:52pm Sat 5 Jan 13
The Doosra wrote:here we go the word racist again. read and digest the comments properly. no im not taring all eastern europeans with the same brush. im saying that the country are wasting too many resources on crap. yes every nationality commit crimes including english. but the eastern europeans are more knife happy.. and yes i do know this as a fact. it is very true the eastern europeans have made inner cities far worse. take a walk up soho road, or dudley road in bham, and read some of the ads in the shop windows and try and get served in some of the shops, and then if you can honestley tell me im a racist or a dreamer, i,ll jump off the river bridge. i read one earlier in an polish shop, rooms for rent polish people only. and if you are a stranger you dont get served in some of te shops. i,d love for you to just come and have a llok hen i do my rounds one day. and for the record im offended that you think my remarks orthat im a racist. im saying that the cities are far worse because of the influx of eastern europeans. FACT.
thecigarman wrote:So, you choose to tar all "Eastern Europeans" with the same brush then? You know this for certain do you? Clearly, no indigenous "Englishmen" ever commit crime. Why oh why does the WN allow racist comments like this?
never speak ill of the dead the above comment, you have to treat as you find in life, and never beleave everything you read. The eastern europeans have made inner cities a lot worse, i have been to a lot in recent years, and its the same everywhere. They have no fear its the way there bought up. This country has got a serious problum. Nothing will change untill we Englishmen stick together and unite. The establishment are wasting too many resources on non relevant matters. They need to geinto the real world. Adies death wont be the last it will get a lot worse. God help us all.
thecigarman
says...
10:57pm Sat 5 Jan 13
Ralph123
says...
9:35am Sun 6 Jan 13
jennifer1995
says...
10:19am Sun 6 Jan 13
Someone described it has Beirut but to be fair I think it's worse.
The Doosra
says...
11:15am Sun 6 Jan 13
thecigarman wrote:Be offended then. I stand by my comments.
The Doosra wrote:here we go the word racist again. read and digest the comments properly. no im not taring all eastern europeans with the same brush. im saying that the country are wasting too many resources on crap. yes every nationality commit crimes including english. but the eastern europeans are more knife happy.. and yes i do know this as a fact. it is very true the eastern europeans have made inner cities far worse. take a walk up soho road, or dudley road in bham, and read some of the ads in the shop windows and try and get served in some of the shops, and then if you can honestley tell me im a racist or a dreamer, i,ll jump off the river bridge. i read one earlier in an polish shop, rooms for rent polish people only. and if you are a stranger you dont get served in some of te shops. i,d love for you to just come and have a llok hen i do my rounds one day. and for the record im offended that you think my remarks orthat im a racist. im saying that the cities are far worse because of the influx of eastern europeans. FACT.
thecigarman wrote:So, you choose to tar all "Eastern Europeans" with the same brush then? You know this for certain do you? Clearly, no indigenous "Englishmen" ever commit crime. Why oh why does the WN allow racist comments like this?
never speak ill of the dead the above comment, you have to treat as you find in life, and never beleave everything you read. The eastern europeans have made inner cities a lot worse, i have been to a lot in recent years, and its the same everywhere. They have no fear its the way there bought up. This country has got a serious problum. Nothing will change untill we Englishmen stick together and unite. The establishment are wasting too many resources on non relevant matters. They need to geinto the real world. Adies death wont be the last it will get a lot worse. God help us all.
thecigarman
says...
11:24am Sun 6 Jan 13
jennifer1995 wrote:you dont evan live in worcester, you can make all the assumptions you want, like i said on the other page im not getting into a slanging match. your just going on what youve read. and for the record i know a lot about life, and ive been around the world. i would love to have a face to face chat with you as were probley got the wrong ideas about each other. never judge a book by its cover. peace to you all.
Cigarman, you make very silly assumptions about me. I certainly don't have a personal grudge about Adrian at all, as I have never ever met him or heard of the man until he was killed. However, everything I need to know about him or his family is on this site reported by the Worcester news for me to read isn't it?
Also, whilst reading said Worcester news yesterday, in a small village, I met a lady who I started speaking to about the murder. She knows the family and has known the mother for many, many years. She actually told me something that I will not repeat on here, but fair to say after reading about Adrian on here, I wasn't surprised!
Cigarman, you say I clearly need to get out more, you don't know anything about me. I have lived more of a life that you would ever know or understand. I could easily make assumptions about you, and I would probably be right.
pinkfluff
says...
12:51pm Sun 6 Jan 13
thecigarman wrote:I believe your comments are racist cigarman. Also reading through all of your comments I also believe that you have a misguided sense of loyalty....kind but misguided.
The Doosra wrote:here we go the word racist again. read and digest the comments properly. no im not taring all eastern europeans with the same brush. im saying that the country are wasting too many resources on crap. yes every nationality commit crimes including english. but the eastern europeans are more knife happy.. and yes i do know this as a fact. it is very true the eastern europeans have made inner cities far worse. take a walk up soho road, or dudley road in bham, and read some of the ads in the shop windows and try and get served in some of the shops, and then if you can honestley tell me im a racist or a dreamer, i,ll jump off the river bridge. i read one earlier in an polish shop, rooms for rent polish people only. and if you are a stranger you dont get served in some of te shops. i,d love for you to just come and have a llok hen i do my rounds one day. and for the record im offended that you think my remarks orthat im a racist. im saying that the cities are far worse because of the influx of eastern europeans. FACT.
thecigarman wrote:So, you choose to tar all "Eastern Europeans" with the same brush then? You know this for certain do you? Clearly, no indigenous "Englishmen" ever commit crime. Why oh why does the WN allow racist comments like this?
never speak ill of the dead the above comment, you have to treat as you find in life, and never beleave everything you read. The eastern europeans have made inner cities a lot worse, i have been to a lot in recent years, and its the same everywhere. They have no fear its the way there bought up. This country has got a serious problum. Nothing will change untill we Englishmen stick together and unite. The establishment are wasting too many resources on non relevant matters. They need to geinto the real world. Adies death wont be the last it will get a lot worse. God help us all.
Longtreeroad
says...
6:10pm Sun 6 Jan 13
goodygoody
says...
6:37pm Sun 6 Jan 13
mr.meldrew
says...
7:37pm Sun 6 Jan 13
jennifer1995
says...
7:29am Mon 7 Jan 13
More Tea Vicar
says...
1:08pm Mon 7 Jan 13
I wonder how much the family has paid in to the system, and what kind of benefits (actual benefits, plus healthcare etc) they are getting.
There is a separate thread about EU-scepticism, but there are links between the two articles.
More Tea Vicar
says...
1:15pm Mon 7 Jan 13
goodygoody wrote:So you are saying that anyone who opposes mass immigration or points out the problems it causes is feral and will never be decent?
This is a dreadful area and eastern europeans couldn't possibly make it worse. A murder is dreadful whatever the circumstances but unfortunately it isn't a surprise any more in certain areas. All this racist talk is obviously from the very people that drag this country down. It is they that are the problem as they are feral and never will be half decent people.
That's a very tolerant and well-informed attitude. Nice.
thecigarman
says...
1:44pm Mon 7 Jan 13
More Tea Vicar wrote:spot on. now you,ll be classed as feral like i have been. I agree with u totally but some people jt arent in the real world like we are. good on you.
An East European with 4 kids and a mum who doesn't speak English living with her. I wonder what kind of job the husband does that he can afford to support such a large family. I certainly couldn't afford that.
I wonder how much the family has paid in to the system, and what kind of benefits (actual benefits, plus healthcare etc) they are getting.
There is a separate thread about EU-scepticism, but there are links between the two articles.
thecigarman
says...
1:52pm Mon 7 Jan 13
goodygoody wrote:so you class me as feral and racist, im not going to get personal, more tea vicar is spot on, how much are the family paying into the system, they are for certain on every benifit going. or they wouldent be living where they do if its so terrible, you know nothing about me, yet im feral for having a truthfull say. Our wonderfull country is being bought to its knees by mass imigration, and it will only get worse by the attitudes of people like you.
This is a dreadful area and eastern europeans couldn't possibly make it worse. A murder is dreadful whatever the circumstances but unfortunately it isn't a surprise any more in certain areas. All this racist talk is obviously from the very people that drag this country down. It is they that are the problem as they are feral and never will be half decent people.
Ralph123
says...
3:01pm Mon 7 Jan 13
thecigarman wrote:Cigarman, you seem to to get upset about people making assumptions about you, or the murdered man. However you feel you have a right to make assumptions about a lady who made a quotion to a newspaper soley based on her name??
goodygoody wrote:so you class me as feral and racist, im not going to get personal, more tea vicar is spot on, how much are the family paying into the system, they are for certain on every benifit going. or they wouldent be living where they do if its so terrible, you know nothing about me, yet im feral for having a truthfull say. Our wonderfull country is being bought to its knees by mass imigration, and it will only get worse by the attitudes of people like you.
This is a dreadful area and eastern europeans couldn't possibly make it worse. A murder is dreadful whatever the circumstances but unfortunately it isn't a surprise any more in certain areas. All this racist talk is obviously from the very people that drag this country down. It is they that are the problem as they are feral and never will be half decent people.
Ralph123
says...
3:09pm Mon 7 Jan 13
thecigarman
says...
3:46pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Ralph123 wrote:where did u get that i made assumptions solely based on her name?.
thecigarman wrote:Cigarman, you seem to to get upset about people making assumptions about you, or the murdered man. However you feel you have a right to make assumptions about a lady who made a quotion to a newspaper soley based on her name??
goodygoody wrote:so you class me as feral and racist, im not going to get personal, more tea vicar is spot on, how much are the family paying into the system, they are for certain on every benifit going. or they wouldent be living where they do if its so terrible, you know nothing about me, yet im feral for having a truthfull say. Our wonderfull country is being bought to its knees by mass imigration, and it will only get worse by the attitudes of people like you.
This is a dreadful area and eastern europeans couldn't possibly make it worse. A murder is dreadful whatever the circumstances but unfortunately it isn't a surprise any more in certain areas. All this racist talk is obviously from the very people that drag this country down. It is they that are the problem as they are feral and never will be half decent people.
ushmush83
says...
3:50pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Ralph123 wrote:*grammar*
*quotation* - before the speling/grammer Nazi's get hold of that one !!
*Nazis*
ushmush83
says...
3:53pm Mon 7 Jan 13
ushmush83 wrote:And spelling!
Ralph123 wrote:*grammar*
*quotation* - before the speling/grammer Nazi's get hold of that one !!
*Nazis*
Ralph123
says...
4:45pm Mon 7 Jan 13
ushmush83 wrote:Ha, I saw spelling and grammar after I posted it and thought I'd shut up and retreat back into the hole I came from! Nazis passed me by. ;)
ushmush83 wrote:And spelling!
Ralph123 wrote:*grammar*
*quotation* - before the speling/grammer Nazi's get hold of that one !!
*Nazis*
Ralph123
says...
4:51pm Mon 7 Jan 13
thecigarman wrote:Well, what else do you know about her? I very much doubt you have a knowledge of her financial affairs, but I might be wrong!
Ralph123 wrote:where did u get that i made assumptions solely based on her name?.
thecigarman wrote:Cigarman, you seem to to get upset about people making assumptions about you, or the murdered man. However you feel you have a right to make assumptions about a lady who made a quotion to a newspaper soley based on her name??
goodygoody wrote:so you class me as feral and racist, im not going to get personal, more tea vicar is spot on, how much are the family paying into the system, they are for certain on every benifit going. or they wouldent be living where they do if its so terrible, you know nothing about me, yet im feral for having a truthfull say. Our wonderfull country is being bought to its knees by mass imigration, and it will only get worse by the attitudes of people like you.
This is a dreadful area and eastern europeans couldn't possibly make it worse. A murder is dreadful whatever the circumstances but unfortunately it isn't a surprise any more in certain areas. All this racist talk is obviously from the very people that drag this country down. It is they that are the problem as they are feral and never will be half decent people.
thecigarman
says...
5:14pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Ralph123 wrote:yes you are wrong, i know that there having full council tax benefit and full housing benefit paid. Also theres 4 people over what there declareing to the benefits system living in that privately rented property. So if there haveing housing benefit etc paid, they must be claiming all the other benefits. Another strain on the system
thecigarman wrote:Well, what else do you know about her? I very much doubt you have a knowledge of her financial affairs, but I might be wrong!
Ralph123 wrote:where did u get that i made assumptions solely based on her name?.
thecigarman wrote:Cigarman, you seem to to get upset about people making assumptions about you, or the murdered man. However you feel you have a right to make assumptions about a lady who made a quotion to a newspaper soley based on her name??
goodygoody wrote:so you class me as feral and racist, im not going to get personal, more tea vicar is spot on, how much are the family paying into the system, they are for certain on every benifit going. or they wouldent be living where they do if its so terrible, you know nothing about me, yet im feral for having a truthfull say. Our wonderfull country is being bought to its knees by mass imigration, and it will only get worse by the attitudes of people like you.
This is a dreadful area and eastern europeans couldn't possibly make it worse. A murder is dreadful whatever the circumstances but unfortunately it isn't a surprise any more in certain areas. All this racist talk is obviously from the very people that drag this country down. It is they that are the problem as they are feral and never will be half decent people.
Ralph123
says...
5:25pm Mon 7 Jan 13
thecigarman wrote:Wow, that's very interesting. How do you know this? Do you fill out their benefits forms for them?
Ralph123 wrote:yes you are wrong, i know that there having full council tax benefit and full housing benefit paid. Also theres 4 people over what there declareing to the benefits system living in that privately rented property. So if there haveing housing benefit etc paid, they must be claiming all the other benefits. Another strain on the system
thecigarman wrote:Well, what else do you know about her? I very much doubt you have a knowledge of her financial affairs, but I might be wrong!
Ralph123 wrote:where did u get that i made assumptions solely based on her name?.
thecigarman wrote:Cigarman, you seem to to get upset about people making assumptions about you, or the murdered man. However you feel you have a right to make assumptions about a lady who made a quotion to a newspaper soley based on her name??
goodygoody wrote:so you class me as feral and racist, im not going to get personal, more tea vicar is spot on, how much are the family paying into the system, they are for certain on every benifit going. or they wouldent be living where they do if its so terrible, you know nothing about me, yet im feral for having a truthfull say. Our wonderfull country is being bought to its knees by mass imigration, and it will only get worse by the attitudes of people like you.
This is a dreadful area and eastern europeans couldn't possibly make it worse. A murder is dreadful whatever the circumstances but unfortunately it isn't a surprise any more in certain areas. All this racist talk is obviously from the very people that drag this country down. It is they that are the problem as they are feral and never will be half decent people.
Brummie_exile
says...
5:47pm Mon 7 Jan 13
thecigarman
says...
6:08pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Ralph123 wrote:no i own the property they live in.
thecigarman wrote:Wow, that's very interesting. How do you know this? Do you fill out their benefits forms for them?
Ralph123 wrote:yes you are wrong, i know that there having full council tax benefit and full housing benefit paid. Also theres 4 people over what there declareing to the benefits system living in that privately rented property. So if there haveing housing benefit etc paid, they must be claiming all the other benefits. Another strain on the system
thecigarman wrote:Well, what else do you know about her? I very much doubt you have a knowledge of her financial affairs, but I might be wrong!
Ralph123 wrote:where did u get that i made assumptions solely based on her name?.
thecigarman wrote:Cigarman, you seem to to get upset about people making assumptions about you, or the murdered man. However you feel you have a right to make assumptions about a lady who made a quotion to a newspaper soley based on her name??
goodygoody wrote:so you class me as feral and racist, im not going to get personal, more tea vicar is spot on, how much are the family paying into the system, they are for certain on every benifit going. or they wouldent be living where they do if its so terrible, you know nothing about me, yet im feral for having a truthfull say. Our wonderfull country is being bought to its knees by mass imigration, and it will only get worse by the attitudes of people like you.
This is a dreadful area and eastern europeans couldn't possibly make it worse. A murder is dreadful whatever the circumstances but unfortunately it isn't a surprise any more in certain areas. All this racist talk is obviously from the very people that drag this country down. It is they that are the problem as they are feral and never will be half decent people.
thecigarman
says...
6:13pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Brummie_exile wrote:spot on. i totally agree. Theres some really nice people that live in all parts of worcester, tolly also i have many friends in that area and all over worcester. All the people who live in a box should have a walk up soho road and the surrounding areas and then say that worcester is bad.
I find it very interesting when locals in Worcester refer to Tolladine as 'terrible area'. I can safely say having been a resident of Worcester for a couple of years now that Warndon, Tolladine, Dines Green etc which I am constantly being told are dangerous areas would't even register on the scale in Birmingham. I have walked down the Tolladine Road and surrounding roads at night without issue. The same simply could not happen in most areas of Birmingham. It's quite clear that this horrendous incident is extremely rare and Worcester certainly does not have a knife crime issue. Peace out.
Ralph123
says...
6:17pm Mon 7 Jan 13
thecigarman wrote:Then why, if you know all of this, do you allow them to do it and still take the housing benefit payments? You are profiting from their fraudulent use of the benefits system.
Ralph123 wrote:no i own the property they live in.
thecigarman wrote:Wow, that's very interesting. How do you know this? Do you fill out their benefits forms for them?
Ralph123 wrote:yes you are wrong, i know that there having full council tax benefit and full housing benefit paid. Also theres 4 people over what there declareing to the benefits system living in that privately rented property. So if there haveing housing benefit etc paid, they must be claiming all the other benefits. Another strain on the system
thecigarman wrote:Well, what else do you know about her? I very much doubt you have a knowledge of her financial affairs, but I might be wrong!
Ralph123 wrote:where did u get that i made assumptions solely based on her name?.
thecigarman wrote:Cigarman, you seem to to get upset about people making assumptions about you, or the murdered man. However you feel you have a right to make assumptions about a lady who made a quotion to a newspaper soley based on her name??
goodygoody wrote:so you class me as feral and racist, im not going to get personal, more tea vicar is spot on, how much are the family paying into the system, they are for certain on every benifit going. or they wouldent be living where they do if its so terrible, you know nothing about me, yet im feral for having a truthfull say. Our wonderfull country is being bought to its knees by mass imigration, and it will only get worse by the attitudes of people like you.
This is a dreadful area and eastern europeans couldn't possibly make it worse. A murder is dreadful whatever the circumstances but unfortunately it isn't a surprise any more in certain areas. All this racist talk is obviously from the very people that drag this country down. It is they that are the problem as they are feral and never will be half decent people.
thecigarman
says...
6:26pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Ralph123
says...
7:06pm Mon 7 Jan 13
The point I think a lot of people are trying to make on here is, due to your experiences with people of Eastern European background you quite clearly have your views set in stone, understandably. Unfortunately, this doesn't always make them the right views.
Noone should get a free ride, that includes the thousands and thousands of British people who are born into a benefits culture that our country has created for them. We have made it so easy for the British to claim, this inevitably is going to attract undesirables from the EU. I am sure that there are a large majority of Eastern Europeans that have genuinely come over hear to make a better life for themselves and pay their taxes and play by the rules, nobody hears about those ones.
Generally speaking, as different cultures, we're all as bad as each other but in different ways. It is much easier to question another culture than take a god long hard look at your own. We always blame others, but really as you acknowledge yourself, its our fault for making it so easy.
Brummie_exile
says...
7:32pm Mon 7 Jan 13
jennifer1995 wrote:Where exactly did you 'drive around'? I think you need to drive around areas like Chelmsley Wood, Handsworth, Small Heath and Kingstanding to name a few in Brum and then you will see Beirut. Some people don't know how lucky they have it.
Ralph, I had a drive around there on Friday, I don't live in Worcester but jee wiz what a place! I feel sorry for the nice guys that live there. Even the staffies I saw were walking around in pairs for protection! Even some of the windows had double glazed metal....
Someone described it has Beirut but to be fair I think it's worse.
jennifer1995
says...
8:34pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Brummie_exile
says...
9:11pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Ralph123
says...
9:29pm Mon 7 Jan 13
thecigarman
says...
10:02pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Ralph123 wrote:i totally agree with you theirs good and bad in every walk of life, and for the record my thortes on eastern europeans arent set in stone, just against the scrounders. kind regards.
Well, my apologies then. I have very little knowledge of the benefits system. Nor do I have a great knowledge of your requirements as a landlord.
The point I think a lot of people are trying to make on here is, due to your experiences with people of Eastern European background you quite clearly have your views set in stone, understandably. Unfortunately, this doesn't always make them the right views.
Noone should get a free ride, that includes the thousands and thousands of British people who are born into a benefits culture that our country has created for them. We have made it so easy for the British to claim, this inevitably is going to attract undesirables from the EU. I am sure that there are a large majority of Eastern Europeans that have genuinely come over hear to make a better life for themselves and pay their taxes and play by the rules, nobody hears about those ones.
Generally speaking, as different cultures, we're all as bad as each other but in different ways. It is much easier to question another culture than take a god long hard look at your own. We always blame others, but really as you acknowledge yourself, its our fault for making it so easy.
robson_
says...
10:14pm Mon 7 Jan 13
thecigarman
says...
10:40pm Mon 7 Jan 13
robson_ wrote:Very true. But we cant go abroad and get free housing and benefits. Our country is far too soft on scroungers. You have to pay into the system to benefit from it in spain and france, theres no free nhs, no free nothing unless your a grafter and then its not free. Hard working genuine people should be wellcomed, but not the scroungers, not the pimps, etc etc. there a strain on our system. in every polish shop in lowesmoor u can buy under the counter, counterfit tobbacco and jin ling. Everyone evan the asain community are fed up of it, its took them many generations to build up there shops etc etc, and these people are coming over opening up a shop and getting away with this its scandalous and untill we start sticking together and doing something it will only get worse. But i do agree with you on genuine people and good luck to them.
England would not survive without 'foreigners' - you are forgetting that a lot of them do jobs English people would simply not do... Millions of 'foreigners' are highly educated and came over here to have a better life just like millions of Britons chose to go and live in sunny spain (3 million just in the south of spain), SA, Us and many other countries...
lizzyloolah
says...
12:12am Tue 8 Jan 13
wayne m
says...
6:47am Tue 8 Jan 13
Ralph123 wrote:No, i think you will find that the axe murder happened on avon road in the flat of a certain gerald edwards, but hey, Teme road is close enough i guess. I knew adie from way back when and he was a good lad when he didnt have a drink in him, its a shame that its happened but such is life i guess. People who live in tolladine do have a choice though, no one is forcing them to remain in this country are they? Im sure the vast majority who only entered this country 10 years ago who live in the UK could still go back home, hell if they do the housing crisis in the UK would end over night.
10 years ago some dude chopped another in half with an Axe, where was that? oh yes ... Teme Road. I think we have to accept that this the work of our own, maybe if they moved all the drug dealers and violent offenders out and replaced them with Eastern Europeans it might become a nicer place to live. This area has always been bad, and it has never been due immagration. I feel for the families who have to live there with no choice. It must be horrible.
More Tea Vicar
says...
9:34am Tue 8 Jan 13
goodygoody wrote:It's not a 'dreadful' area. It's a bit rough, maybe, and always has been. It's not exactly a Rio type slum, though, either.
This is a dreadful area and eastern europeans couldn't possibly make it worse. A murder is dreadful whatever the circumstances but unfortunately it isn't a surprise any more in certain areas. All this racist talk is obviously from the very people that drag this country down. It is they that are the problem as they are feral and never will be half decent people.
The UK's murder rate is apparently falling, is pretty average within Europe, and lower than most Eastern European countries.
So I do wonder
a - how a family of East Europeans comes to be able to support 4 children, more than most 'natives' can afford?
b - who's paying for that housing?
c - whether it's appropriate for her to be complaining?
Those questions aren't 'racist', unlike the argument that 'we' need immigrants, that immigrants are all 'hardworking' and 'doing the jobs that 'we' are too lazy to do'.
pronstar
says...
10:24am Tue 8 Jan 13
More Tea Vicar wrote:Seriously, go and see a doctor.
goodygoody wrote:It's not a 'dreadful' area. It's a bit rough, maybe, and always has been. It's not exactly a Rio type slum, though, either.
This is a dreadful area and eastern europeans couldn't possibly make it worse. A murder is dreadful whatever the circumstances but unfortunately it isn't a surprise any more in certain areas. All this racist talk is obviously from the very people that drag this country down. It is they that are the problem as they are feral and never will be half decent people.
The UK's murder rate is apparently falling, is pretty average within Europe, and lower than most Eastern European countries.
So I do wonder
a - how a family of East Europeans comes to be able to support 4 children, more than most 'natives' can afford?
b - who's paying for that housing?
c - whether it's appropriate for her to be complaining?
Those questions aren't 'racist', unlike the argument that 'we' need immigrants, that immigrants are all 'hardworking' and 'doing the jobs that 'we' are too lazy to do'.
bsimpson10
says...
11:08am Tue 8 Jan 13
More Tea Vicar
says...
11:35am Tue 8 Jan 13
pronstar wrote:In other words, you know I'm right but you can't think of any decent arguments.
More Tea Vicar wrote:Seriously, go and see a doctor.
goodygoody wrote:It's not a 'dreadful' area. It's a bit rough, maybe, and always has been. It's not exactly a Rio type slum, though, either.
This is a dreadful area and eastern europeans couldn't possibly make it worse. A murder is dreadful whatever the circumstances but unfortunately it isn't a surprise any more in certain areas. All this racist talk is obviously from the very people that drag this country down. It is they that are the problem as they are feral and never will be half decent people.
The UK's murder rate is apparently falling, is pretty average within Europe, and lower than most Eastern European countries.
So I do wonder
a - how a family of East Europeans comes to be able to support 4 children, more than most 'natives' can afford?
b - who's paying for that housing?
c - whether it's appropriate for her to be complaining?
Those questions aren't 'racist', unlike the argument that 'we' need immigrants, that immigrants are all 'hardworking' and 'doing the jobs that 'we' are too lazy to do'.
Ralph123
says...
11:49am Tue 8 Jan 13
More Tea Vicar wrote:She wasn't complaining, she stated that she and her mother were scared, due to the fact that someone had been stabbed and killed in the road they live in.
goodygoody wrote:It's not a 'dreadful' area. It's a bit rough, maybe, and always has been. It's not exactly a Rio type slum, though, either.
This is a dreadful area and eastern europeans couldn't possibly make it worse. A murder is dreadful whatever the circumstances but unfortunately it isn't a surprise any more in certain areas. All this racist talk is obviously from the very people that drag this country down. It is they that are the problem as they are feral and never will be half decent people.
The UK's murder rate is apparently falling, is pretty average within Europe, and lower than most Eastern European countries.
So I do wonder
a - how a family of East Europeans comes to be able to support 4 children, more than most 'natives' can afford?
b - who's paying for that housing?
c - whether it's appropriate for her to be complaining?
Those questions aren't 'racist', unlike the argument that 'we' need immigrants, that immigrants are all 'hardworking' and 'doing the jobs that 'we' are too lazy to do'.
I think that she's allowed to be scared, is she not. Or is this inappropriate behaviour as she is Eastern European.
ushmush83
says...
3:08pm Tue 8 Jan 13
thecigarman
says...
3:34pm Tue 8 Jan 13
ushmush83 wrote:who said they havent been reproted?
thecigarman, if you know all that about these people then why do you not report them?
thecigarman
says...
3:36pm Tue 8 Jan 13
More Tea Vicar
says...
4:28pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Ralph123 wrote:Of course she was complaining. That's not a problem, or the issue I was raising.
More Tea Vicar wrote:She wasn't complaining, she stated that she and her mother were scared, due to the fact that someone had been stabbed and killed in the road they live in.
goodygoody wrote:It's not a 'dreadful' area. It's a bit rough, maybe, and always has been. It's not exactly a Rio type slum, though, either.
This is a dreadful area and eastern europeans couldn't possibly make it worse. A murder is dreadful whatever the circumstances but unfortunately it isn't a surprise any more in certain areas. All this racist talk is obviously from the very people that drag this country down. It is they that are the problem as they are feral and never will be half decent people.
The UK's murder rate is apparently falling, is pretty average within Europe, and lower than most Eastern European countries.
So I do wonder
a - how a family of East Europeans comes to be able to support 4 children, more than most 'natives' can afford?
b - who's paying for that housing?
c - whether it's appropriate for her to be complaining?
Those questions aren't 'racist', unlike the argument that 'we' need immigrants, that immigrants are all 'hardworking' and 'doing the jobs that 'we' are too lazy to do'.
I think that she's allowed to be scared, is she not. Or is this inappropriate behaviour as she is Eastern European.
More Tea Vicar
says...
4:31pm Tue 8 Jan 13
I can understand this person being worried or scared. But the UK is safer than most Eastern European countries, and Worcester isn't particularly dangerous in UK terms. So, I hope she's not criticising.
And there are issues about she can afford to be here, with a ruck of kids. Who's paying for that?
Ralph123
says...
6:07pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Having said this the way the you and cigarman approach your discussions about this subject do not help the cause. You base your arguments on assumptions, twist the very little fact that you have to mean what you want it to mean. Rather than have a generalised view on an issue, you are questioning her financial status, because of her nationality. This IS racist.
These issues are not down to individuals or nationalities, they are down to government and EU policies. Where people can take more than they are entitled to, people will...it doesn't make any difference where they come from.
I hope that this lady doesn't have any backlash from either of your wild and unfounded accusations. Cigarman in particular shouldn't be discussing his tenants financial situation on such an open forum. (If he is actually their landlord).
I would suggest that you approach future discussions with a more reasonable and factual approach, people may then take what you say seriously.
thecigarman
says...
6:23pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Ralph123 wrote:not based on assumptions at all. This country have too many scroungers whatever natinality. The floodgates have been opened and its bad for us all. Apart from the people fiddleing. your the one whos going on assumptions Ralph, no one else. Theres nothing unfounded at all, if she dident want to be bought into the limelight then she should not be making her situation public, she werent look,d into untill she said that her mother who lives with her etc etc, i was contacted by her neighbours informing me of this a while ago and when i askd they denied it. I cannot remember signing the os act, so i can discuss who i want, 99 per cent of the tenants in my properties are excellent and i wouldent dream of discussing there situations, but the moment i find out there conning the system that goes out the window. Tell me Ralph are u a taxpayer?
It really is exhausting, immigration and benefits are very valid issues that need addressing particularly in this economic climate.
Having said this the way the you and cigarman approach your discussions about this subject do not help the cause. You base your arguments on assumptions, twist the very little fact that you have to mean what you want it to mean. Rather than have a generalised view on an issue, you are questioning her financial status, because of her nationality. This IS racist.
These issues are not down to individuals or nationalities, they are down to government and EU policies. Where people can take more than they are entitled to, people will...it doesn't make any difference where they come from.
I hope that this lady doesn't have any backlash from either of your wild and unfounded accusations. Cigarman in particular shouldn't be discussing his tenants financial situation on such an open forum. (If he is actually their landlord).
I would suggest that you approach future discussions with a more reasonable and factual approach, people may then take what you say seriously.
jennifer1995
says...
6:59pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Ralph123
says...
7:25pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Put in your situation as a landlord and discovering what you claim to have discovered, would I have reported this to the relevant authorities? Yes, I would.
Would I then parade myself around on the local news website, confirming my actions and identifying the people involved for any Tom, Dick and Harry to read with out any consideration of the consequences for the family (including children) and the treatment that they may receive from the general public as a result of this? I certainly would not.
Your responsibility was to report it to the authorities, the rest was for pure self-gratification.
So again Cigarman, I am a taxpayer, I have concerns about immigration and the effects on our economy. But I am also a humanitarian.
Brummie_exile
says...
8:07pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Ralph123 wrote:Yeah but those 'pockets of nastiness' dont have gun problems, don't have heroin problems, don't have knife problems, don't have dangerous criminal gangs or families. Proportionately crime in Worcester is a lot lot lower then Brum.
@Brummie_exile, Worcester isn't one tenth of the size of Brum. You get sprawling estates of nastiness, we get little tiny pockets of nastiness. People's lives still descend into despair no matter how large the area is, just less people involved. I'm not sure that this is a competition we want to win!
Ralph123
says...
8:18pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Brummie_exile wrote:You're right, but a man still died, being stabbed with a knife by people who sold heroin. On the upside .. no guns.
Ralph123 wrote:Yeah but those 'pockets of nastiness' dont have gun problems, don't have heroin problems, don't have knife problems, don't have dangerous criminal gangs or families. Proportionately crime in Worcester is a lot lot lower then Brum.
@Brummie_exile, Worcester isn't one tenth of the size of Brum. You get sprawling estates of nastiness, we get little tiny pockets of nastiness. People's lives still descend into despair no matter how large the area is, just less people involved. I'm not sure that this is a competition we want to win!
imustbeoldiwearacap
says...
8:30pm Tue 8 Jan 13
thecigarman
says...
9:18pm Tue 8 Jan 13
jennifer1995 wrote:The tenancy wont be renewedwhen it comes up for renewel, which is shorter than trying for an eviction. spain is great thanks.
What are you planning to do about said tenant cigarman? How is Spain?
thecigarman
says...
9:25pm Tue 8 Jan 13
imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:im never going to keep a low profile when it comes to people coming to our country conning the system, and for the record, when the said people went for the house they informed me that they were in full time employment. I did report it as soon as i became aware of it. As for benefiting from the floodgates, wouldent i be racist if i only let to english people?. not my seen. Then youd be slagging me again.
"thecigarman" - If you handle personal information about individuals, you have a number of legal obligations to protect that information under the Data Protection Act 1998" So I would keep a low profile from now on! Oh! by the way you seem to benifiting from "the floodgates" from your property portfolio?
Ralph123
says...
9:36pm Tue 8 Jan 13
thecigarman wrote:But, would you have done the same if they were English? I quote - "people coming to our country conning the system", but it's perfectly alright if they already live here?
imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:im never going to keep a low profile when it comes to people coming to our country conning the system, and for the record, when the said people went for the house they informed me that they were in full time employment. I did report it as soon as i became aware of it. As for benefiting from the floodgates, wouldent i be racist if i only let to english people?. not my seen. Then youd be slagging me again.
"thecigarman" - If you handle personal information about individuals, you have a number of legal obligations to protect that information under the Data Protection Act 1998" So I would keep a low profile from now on! Oh! by the way you seem to benifiting from "the floodgates" from your property portfolio?
I know I'm becoming a pest, but these kind of views do need to be questioned.
thecigarman
says...
9:49pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Ralph123 wrote:im glad you ask,d that, yes i certaily would. colour creed race whatever they are doesent matter, if they break the rules there going, no exceptions. your not becomeing a nusense at all, im glad i can answer you. The benefits system is open to abuse, theres no where near enough checks. all they have to do is send a letter or a tenancy agreement in with there claim for housing benefit. The local councils NEVER check with landlords if its genuine. As on the forms they have to agree for them to contact the homeowner, or landlord, agent. Anyone can print off a tenancy agreement or write a letter.
thecigarman wrote:But, would you have done the same if they were English? I quote - "people coming to our country conning the system", but it's perfectly alright if they already live here?
imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:im never going to keep a low profile when it comes to people coming to our country conning the system, and for the record, when the said people went for the house they informed me that they were in full time employment. I did report it as soon as i became aware of it. As for benefiting from the floodgates, wouldent i be racist if i only let to english people?. not my seen. Then youd be slagging me again.
"thecigarman" - If you handle personal information about individuals, you have a number of legal obligations to protect that information under the Data Protection Act 1998" So I would keep a low profile from now on! Oh! by the way you seem to benifiting from "the floodgates" from your property portfolio?
I know I'm becoming a pest, but these kind of views do need to be questioned.
Ralph123
says...
9:52pm Tue 8 Jan 13
thecigarman wrote:I can assure you, that is very good to know. Enjoy Spain, lovely country, lovely people.
Ralph123 wrote:im glad you ask,d that, yes i certaily would. colour creed race whatever they are doesent matter, if they break the rules there going, no exceptions. your not becomeing a nusense at all, im glad i can answer you. The benefits system is open to abuse, theres no where near enough checks. all they have to do is send a letter or a tenancy agreement in with there claim for housing benefit. The local councils NEVER check with landlords if its genuine. As on the forms they have to agree for them to contact the homeowner, or landlord, agent. Anyone can print off a tenancy agreement or write a letter.
thecigarman wrote:But, would you have done the same if they were English? I quote - "people coming to our country conning the system", but it's perfectly alright if they already live here?
imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:im never going to keep a low profile when it comes to people coming to our country conning the system, and for the record, when the said people went for the house they informed me that they were in full time employment. I did report it as soon as i became aware of it. As for benefiting from the floodgates, wouldent i be racist if i only let to english people?. not my seen. Then youd be slagging me again.
"thecigarman" - If you handle personal information about individuals, you have a number of legal obligations to protect that information under the Data Protection Act 1998" So I would keep a low profile from now on! Oh! by the way you seem to benifiting from "the floodgates" from your property portfolio?
I know I'm becoming a pest, but these kind of views do need to be questioned.
thecigarman
says...
9:55pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Jim F
says...
3:34pm Wed 9 Jan 13
LUKO1981
says...
10:33am Thu 10 Jan 13
thecigarman wrote:lots of jokes coming out from your mouth this morning get proper news eastern european are bad and good same as english they are bad an good most of us luckily good as we have came here to make our lives better,but believe if most of us would have house or flat in Eastern Europe wouldnt came here ever all people love to live in places where they came from.
never speak ill of the dead the above comment, you have to treat as you find in life, and never beleave everything you read. The eastern europeans have made inner cities a lot worse, i have been to a lot in recent years, and its the same everywhere. They have no fear its the way there bought up. This country has got a serious problum. Nothing will change untill we Englishmen stick together and unite. The establishment are wasting too many resources on non relevant matters. They need to geinto the real world. Adies death wont be the last it will get a lot worse. God help us all.
thecigarman
says...
11:08am Thu 10 Jan 13
LUKO1981 wrote:read all of my posts before you post evan better jokes, i said that theres good and bad in every walk of life, precisely you only come here for a flat or a house. That says it all.
thecigarman wrote:lots of jokes coming out from your mouth this morning get proper news eastern european are bad and good same as english they are bad an good most of us luckily good as we have came here to make our lives better,but believe if most of us would have house or flat in Eastern Europe wouldnt came here ever all people love to live in places where they came from.
never speak ill of the dead the above comment, you have to treat as you find in life, and never beleave everything you read. The eastern europeans have made inner cities a lot worse, i have been to a lot in recent years, and its the same everywhere. They have no fear its the way there bought up. This country has got a serious problum. Nothing will change untill we Englishmen stick together and unite. The establishment are wasting too many resources on non relevant matters. They need to geinto the real world. Adies death wont be the last it will get a lot worse. God help us all.
imjustme
says...
9:46pm Thu 10 Jan 13
imjustme
says...
9:47pm Thu 10 Jan 13
imjustme
says...
9:49pm Thu 10 Jan 13
jennifer1995 says...
10:09am Sat 5 Jan 13