Anti-social Polish criminal removed from city (From Worcester News)

Gone where? Has he left the country or just wandered off to behave badly in another town?

Good old charitable United Kingdom, been raped by Europe for too long

Over Christmas all the buskers (do they pay tax - I doubt it) were eastern europeans... Trumpets and accordians are hardly what I recognise as festive. And now several of the street beggars are from the same background. they may not be doing any harm but to come here just because the begging is better is not my idea of multi-cultuarism at work!

Arrested 34 Times !!!!
28 yes 28 convictions !!!! And thats the stuff this idiot didn't get away with.

Why on earth have our courts and agencies allowed this to go on for SO long.....?

After 5 offences surely the pattern could be seen... Is this really what we pay taxes for ? When will the police and courts reclaim the streets ?

Well, 28 offenses sounds a lot, but what about some of our home grown scrotes? Action can be taken to remove people like this man, but we can't do this to those who cause much more harm.

These people have rights!. It doesn't matter about the rest of us being entitled to a quiet life. If you try and stop him or dare to complain the equality police will be round to feel your collar. We've enough of our own wasters without importing any more.

Captain Thrap wrote:
Good old charitable United Kingdom, been raped by Europe for too long

You might want to look up the definition of rape you imbecile.

Then you may want to cease using it to describe everything from being shafted by an institution to being tackled in a game of football (and don't say you don't do this when you're in the pub with your equally retarded friends).

Anyway, you shouldn't be on your computer so late on a school night.

Great that he's gone, if he's gone. But following questions:

- has he actually left the country?
- I know the UKBA do check arrival passports at the Shuttle and airports, but will he be allowed back in?
- is it right that we had to let him in in the first place? Surely we should be allowed to choose who we let into this country, and who we allow to stay?
- and why was he allowed to stay so long?

pronstar wrote:

Captain Thrap wrote:
Good old charitable United Kingdom, been raped by Europe for too long

You might want to look up the definition of rape you imbecile.

Then you may want to cease using it to describe everything from being shafted by an institution to being tackled in a game of football (and don't say you don't do this when you're in the pub with your equally retarded friends).

Anyway, you shouldn't be on your computer so late on a school night.

Durr... it's called 'metaphor' ... Look it up in a dictionary!

140354 wrote:

pronstar wrote:

Captain Thrap wrote:
Good old charitable United Kingdom, been raped by Europe for too long

You might want to look up the definition of rape you imbecile.

Then you may want to cease using it to describe everything from being shafted by an institution to being tackled in a game of football (and don't say you don't do this when you're in the pub with your equally retarded friends).

Anyway, you shouldn't be on your computer so late on a school night.

Durr... it's called 'metaphor' ... Look it up in a dictionary!

Are you for real?

WHY has it taken 34 arrests and 28 offences before they suddenly thought 'oh actually we can't let him have 35 arrest, maybe we should kick him out?' - I mean what the hell?! Why are we so ruddy soft?!!!!

thompson9100 wrote:
Well, 28 offenses sounds a lot, but what about some of our home grown scrotes? Action can be taken to remove people like this man, but we can't do this to those who cause much more harm.

Like any other country, we have our own problems, and a pretty average kind of crime rate.

But dealing with your own problems is one thing. There is no reason why we should import other countries' problems, to add to our own.

And actually we CAN do something about our own toe-rags...that's why we have prisons etc.

He"s in Birmingham.

thecigarman wrote:
He"s in Birmingham.

One problem is all this 'serving with papers' process.

Surely once this kind of decision is taken, they should be rounded up, taken to Dover, stuck on a ferry with one-way ticket.

Serving papers just gives them time to go underground.

I suspect one very easy way to ease our housing problems would be to round up and deport illegals.

More Tea Vicar wrote:

thecigarman wrote:
He"s in Birmingham.

One problem is all this 'serving with papers' process.

Surely once this kind of decision is taken, they should be rounded up, taken to Dover, stuck on a ferry with one-way ticket.

Serving papers just gives them time to go underground.

I suspect one very easy way to ease our housing problems would be to round up and deport illegals.

spot on.

I would like to confirm for those readers that have asked, that Mr Kij has returned to Poland. He voluntarily flew back last week, which was organised on his behalf by UKBA. He chose this course of action before he was forcibly deported.

Toby Shergold, West Mercia Police wrote:
I would like to confirm for those readers that have asked, that Mr Kij has returned to Poland. He voluntarily flew back last week, which was organised on his behalf by UKBA. He chose this course of action before he was forcibly deported.

Good for you for coming on here and saying that.

I would still be concerned over

a - the costs involved. A flight back? Who's paying for that?

b - how come he has a voluntary course of action in this? In general, people committing offences don't get a voluntary choice.

c - why did Sgt Jones feel obliged to make that statement about the Polish community? Government and the likes of the BBC quite often make statements and decide on policy based on negative stereotyping of the whole population ...'we' are all getting fat, 'we' all drink too much etc..

I never hear the govt, the likes of the BBC, or the Police, going out of their way to make this kind of clarification when it's about the general population.

Why the positive discrimination towards minorities?

More Tea Vicar wrote:

Toby Shergold, West Mercia Police wrote:
I would like to confirm for those readers that have asked, that Mr Kij has returned to Poland. He voluntarily flew back last week, which was organised on his behalf by UKBA. He chose this course of action before he was forcibly deported.

Good for you for coming on here and saying that.

I would still be concerned over

a - the costs involved. A flight back? Who's paying for that?

b - how come he has a voluntary course of action in this? In general, people committing offences don't get a voluntary choice.

c - why did Sgt Jones feel obliged to make that statement about the Polish community? Government and the likes of the BBC quite often make statements and decide on policy based on negative stereotyping of the whole population ...'we' are all getting fat, 'we' all drink too much etc..

I never hear the govt, the likes of the BBC, or the Police, going out of their way to make this kind of clarification when it's about the general population.

Why the positive discrimination towards minorities?

Tut some people are never happy. He has gone, he is Poland's problem now and I am pleased about that.

Let's hope it send's a strong message to others and is the start of things to come.

pinkfluff wrote:

More Tea Vicar wrote:

Toby Shergold, West Mercia Police wrote:
I would like to confirm for those readers that have asked, that Mr Kij has returned to Poland. He voluntarily flew back last week, which was organised on his behalf by UKBA. He chose this course of action before he was forcibly deported.

Good for you for coming on here and saying that.

I would still be concerned over

a - the costs involved. A flight back? Who's paying for that?

b - how come he has a voluntary course of action in this? In general, people committing offences don't get a voluntary choice.

c - why did Sgt Jones feel obliged to make that statement about the Polish community? Government and the likes of the BBC quite often make statements and decide on policy based on negative stereotyping of the whole population ...'we' are all getting fat, 'we' all drink too much etc..

I never hear the govt, the likes of the BBC, or the Police, going out of their way to make this kind of clarification when it's about the general population.

Why the positive discrimination towards minorities?

Tut some people are never happy. He has gone, he is Poland's problem now and I am pleased about that.

Let's hope it send's a strong message to others and is the start of things to come.

At least we agree on the basics. Pity it took so much time and effort to solve a problem we should never have had to deal with in the first place.

And the police attitude towards minorities isn't in line with the way authorities treat the wider community.

Dear More Tea Vicar

I cannot comment on the cost of the return, you will need to ask UKBA for this information, but needless to say his voluntary return would be a cheaper option than him having to go through the process of being forcibly deported.

While his criminality was the motivation for West Mercia seeking for him to be removed, we are using legislation enacted in 2006 where European nationals living in other European Economic Area countries who are not working and unable to support themselves can be deported.

EEA nationals who have been in the country for longer than three months have to be working, studying or self-sufficient in order to have a right to stay.

As for your perceived ‘positive discrimination’ from Sgt Jones, we treat crime the same wherever we encounter it. His comments were to reassure the wider community that there is not a particular problem with our local Polish community, nor for them to feel in any way targeted.

There were many more quotes from Sgt Jones in our original media release than included in the Worcester News story, which perhaps gives more focus on this part of what he said. If you would like to see the media release in full, please visit: http://www.westmerci
a.police.uk/news/new
s-articles/anti-soci
al-polish-criminal-r
emoved-from-worceste
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I do believe More Tea Vicar just got served!!!!!

Sloppy reporting WN!

pronstar wrote:

Captain Thrap wrote: Good old charitable United Kingdom, been raped by Europe for too long

You might want to look up the definition of rape you imbecile. Then you may want to cease using it to describe everything from being shafted by an institution to being tackled in a game of football (and don't say you don't do this when you're in the pub with your equally retarded friends). Anyway, you shouldn't be on your computer so late on a school night.

Something tells me that by the bullying tone of your posts you are not a very nice person.
Perhaps you should rename yourself "pratstar".
Anyway with regards your remark about being on a computer so late on a school night shouldn't you be at work instead of making stupid remarks at 09.13 on a Thursday morning. Assuming you have a job of that is!!

pinkfluff wrote:
I do believe More Tea Vicar just got served!!!!!

And I do believe that somewhere in your head that probably made sense.

Toby Shergold, West Mercia Police wrote:
Dear More Tea Vicar

I cannot comment on the cost of the return, you will need to ask UKBA for this information, but needless to say his voluntary return would be a cheaper option than him having to go through the process of being forcibly deported.

While his criminality was the motivation for West Mercia seeking for him to be removed, we are using legislation enacted in 2006 where European nationals living in other European Economic Area countries who are not working and unable to support themselves can be deported.

EEA nationals who have been in the country for longer than three months have to be working, studying or self-sufficient in order to have a right to stay.

As for your perceived ‘positive discrimination’ from Sgt Jones, we treat crime the same wherever we encounter it. His comments were to reassure the wider community that there is not a particular problem with our local Polish community, nor for them to feel in any way targeted.

There were many more quotes from Sgt Jones in our original media release than included in the Worcester News story, which perhaps gives more focus on this part of what he said. If you would like to see the media release in full, please visit: http://www.westmerci

a.police.uk/news/new

s-articles/anti-soci

al-polish-criminal-r

emoved-from-worceste

r.html

I appreciate the limits you are operating under, and my issue is largely with them, not you.

As a taxpayer, I am concerned at the policy failures that have left this country unable to control its borders, and faced with a bill.

But the 'positive discrimination' question remains.

When you arrest other people from any given community, you don't go out of your way to make similar statements aimed at other people in that community, however defined, for example by neighbourhood. And why would you?

Given the effects of immigration on wages and job opportunities for the majority, and the resulting unpopularity of immigration in general, immigration is a sensitive issue.

In the press release you refer to, Sgt Jones says 'we welcome law-abiding immigrants...'. He has no business expressing an opinion on whether immigrants are welcome or not. It is a political and sensitive issue.

Yes, but by leaving voluntarily and avoiding deportation he has no barrier to returning. No deportation order - no problem.

I never realised Worcester people were such right-wing nutjobs - or am I just using their tactics of smearing an entire population with the characteristics of the few I see in the papers?

I don't see anyone complaining about disagreable Mancunians living in Worcester. Or disagreeable Welshmen. I'm quite sure there are plenty of both. Why limit your racism to people from outside the arbitrary borders of the UK rather than the arbitrary borders of Worcestershire, or Worcest city even? Borders are man-made and mostly in people's minds.

The free movement of people in Europe is no different from allowing someone from Worcester to go and live in Scotland.

Free your minds and you'll be able to see the wonders that living in a larger community can bring, and is already bringing. It's not immigration, or belonging to the European Union that caused mass unemployment and income disparity in the UK; its 33 years on tory policies from corrupt governments.

Dear Longpete.
The biggest widening of the wages gap was overseen by the last labour administration, as was the biggest decline in health care standards and education standards. And, to my knowledge, the tories have only been in for about 3 years, preceding that, a labour administration was in power for 13 years, during which they amassed the largest debt that this country has ever seen.
I do agree with the corrupt governments bit though!

longpete wrote:
I never realised Worcester people were such right-wing nutjobs - or am I just using their tactics of smearing an entire population with the characteristics of the few I see in the papers?

I don't see anyone complaining about disagreable Mancunians living in Worcester. Or disagreeable Welshmen. I'm quite sure there are plenty of both. Why limit your racism to people from outside the arbitrary borders of the UK rather than the arbitrary borders of Worcestershire, or Worcest city even? Borders are man-made and mostly in people's minds.

The free movement of people in Europe is no different from allowing someone from Worcester to go and live in Scotland.

Free your minds and you'll be able to see the wonders that living in a larger community can bring, and is already bringing. It's not immigration, or belonging to the European Union that caused mass unemployment and income disparity in the UK; its 33 years on tory policies from corrupt governments.

"Free your minds and you'll be able to see the wonders that living in a larger community can bring, and is already bringing. " Though interestingly, you don't name any. Apart from yours, the comments haven't been about race, but border control and law and order.

Immigration is the ultimate right wing policy, giving employers access to a large, 'flexible' workforce, tipping the balance of supply and demand, making labour plentiful, therefore cheap. Result, higher unemployment and lower wages.

The fact is, mass immigration has massively boosted our population, for no obvious benefit to the majority, and in a way which imposes all sorts of strains on the environment, housing, jobs and services.

People are entitled to resent the policy - and the postings here reflect that.

More Tea Vicar , if i were to meet you in the street i would shake you're hand and buy you a beer.
You say everything i feel and more, which i am too afraid of saying for fear of being judged a 'racist', 'right wing nutjob' or 'xenophobe'.

This country annoys me that we let and allow such people into the country.
Fair enough when they sneak in but i know first hand that many worcester companies employ these people & do not do background checks.
I would urge anyone to go onto the UK Border Agency website & enter details, they do a fantastic job at picking people up when they are aware of it.

This guy now back in Poland, we should have a 3 strikes and your out, this should apply to all non british here? we have enough morons of our own to deal with so we need a system that if you commit a crime that is enough to go to court and are found guilty then your out, no ifs or buts and if the do gooders want to moan about it let them come up with an alternative and if they can't let them pay the bill, its because of too much of the do gooders we are in the state we are in with these law breakers.