Sign clocks 12,000 Evesham motorists over speed limit in first week

Worcester News: DETERRENT: Councillor John Smith with the sign. DETERRENT: Councillor John Smith with the sign.

A NEW vehicle activated sign in Evesham clocked more than 12,000 speeding drivers in the first week it was installed.

The equipment was put in place on Pershore Road in Hampton on Sunday, February 17 and when it was checked a week later it revealed the large number of motorists who had passed the sign travelling faster than the road’s 30mph speed limit.

With 10,080 minutes in a week, the 12,000 speeding drivers represent the equivalent of more than one driver breaking the speed limit every minute, throughout the seven-day period.

Councillor John Smith, ward representative for Hampton and cabinet member for highways and transport on Worcestershire County Council, installed the camera himself having used some of his divisional funding allocation to buy the sign following complaints from concerned residents.

He said he was surprised by how many vehicles had been registered speeding in just one week.

“I installed the camera on Sunday, February 17, at around midday,” he said.

“I went and checked it on Friday morning to see it was working and it was around 9,000. I took a note and reset it. I went down later and it read 808 so there is no doubt it’s working. They are very accurate and record anyone travelling at more than 30mph. Whilst this is not a speed camera, it is a good warning mechanism to reinforce to drivers they are now in a 30mph speed limit area.

“It is about awareness. I have watched vehicles slow down once it flashed at them.

“I am extremely pleased we put it in. It may stop an accident and one accident is too many.

“This initiative is already having the desired effect and the sign can be relocated to other roads within the area, where residents may have concerns with speeding vehicles.”

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1:16pm Thu 28 Feb 13

hill4332 says...

however the previos speed camera was 30 with a tolerance of 4 mph before a prosecution so how many of the 1200 we over 35 mph
however the previos speed camera was 30 with a tolerance of 4 mph before a prosecution so how many of the 1200 we over 35 mph hill4332

1:20pm Thu 28 Feb 13

one94 says...

“It is about awareness. I have watched vehicles slow down once it flashed at them" - Exactly. All the benefit of a speed camera without ripping off motorists. Let's use these instead
“It is about awareness. I have watched vehicles slow down once it flashed at them" - Exactly. All the benefit of a speed camera without ripping off motorists. Let's use these instead one94

1:24pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Andy_R says...

How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.
How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road. Andy_R

1:25pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Vox populi says...

one94 wrote:
“It is about awareness. I have watched vehicles slow down once it flashed at them" - Exactly. All the benefit of a speed camera without ripping off motorists. Let's use these instead
But no money for the coffers....
Don't be persuaded into thinking that speed cameras have anything to do with speeding.

How about we don't pay huge amounts for flashing signs and speed cameras and put more police in vehicles to address all forms of poor driving including inappropriate use of speed?
[quote][p][bold]one94[/bold] wrote: “It is about awareness. I have watched vehicles slow down once it flashed at them" - Exactly. All the benefit of a speed camera without ripping off motorists. Let's use these instead[/p][/quote]But no money for the coffers.... Don't be persuaded into thinking that speed cameras have anything to do with speeding. How about we don't pay huge amounts for flashing signs and speed cameras and put more police in vehicles to address all forms of poor driving including inappropriate use of speed? Vox populi

1:47pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Hwicce says...

As has been said these 12000 speeders caused no reported accidents so the sign proves that the limit has been set too low for the road conditions.
As has been said these 12000 speeders caused no reported accidents so the sign proves that the limit has been set too low for the road conditions. Hwicce

2:11pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Respectable says...

Andy_R wrote:
How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.
Absolutely spot on.

Speed limits right across the board need to be reviewed.

Hard to believe in the era of ABS etc etc that our motorways still have an official limit of 70mph.
[quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on. Speed limits right across the board need to be reviewed. Hard to believe in the era of ABS etc etc that our motorways still have an official limit of 70mph. Respectable

2:20pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Doogie 46 says...

Given that these things will activate at as little as 31 or 32 mph and there has been no carnage reported, perhaps the story is a tad overblown.
Given that these things will activate at as little as 31 or 32 mph and there has been no carnage reported, perhaps the story is a tad overblown. Doogie 46

3:14pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Respectable says...

Nahh.... That would never happen in "Your" WN..
Nahh.... That would never happen in "Your" WN.. Respectable

3:41pm Thu 28 Feb 13

04smallmj says...

I don't see how the speed limit is too low, it is is a residential area, not a motorway. Why can't our roads be designed for people, rather than cars for a change? Car centric planning isn't good for anyone.
I don't see how the speed limit is too low, it is is a residential area, not a motorway. Why can't our roads be designed for people, rather than cars for a change? Car centric planning isn't good for anyone. 04smallmj

3:53pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Hwicce says...

@04smallmj - pavements are for people, roads are for cars.

Don't they teach anything in school these days.
@04smallmj - pavements are for people, roads are for cars. Don't they teach anything in school these days. Hwicce

3:57pm Thu 28 Feb 13

04smallmj says...

I'm talking about subjective safety for pedestrians, not walking all over the road... Throwing in some DECENT cycling infrastructure would be nice too, look at how the Dutch design their roads.
I'm talking about subjective safety for pedestrians, not walking all over the road... Throwing in some DECENT cycling infrastructure would be nice too, look at how the Dutch design their roads. 04smallmj

4:07pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Matthew Jenkins says...

Hwicce wrote:
@04smallmj - pavements are for people, roads are for cars.

Don't they teach anything in school these days.
Have you never crossed a road before, Hwicce? Plus, there are also cyclists on the road.

Most residential areas should be 20mph by default, with the exception being 30mph. Having a road of speeding cars can be a nightmare for those living there, what with the noise, the difficulty in crossing, the worry of accidents, etc. Is it really such a pain to slow down when going through a residential area such as this.

It's just a shame that Cllr. John Smith didn't think that the similar concerns of residents on Bilford Road were worth considering, despite the hundreds of signatures that we gave to him asking for an investigation into ways of improving the safety of this road for residents.
[quote][p][bold]Hwicce[/bold] wrote: @04smallmj - pavements are for people, roads are for cars. Don't they teach anything in school these days.[/p][/quote]Have you never crossed a road before, Hwicce? Plus, there are also cyclists on the road. Most residential areas should be 20mph by default, with the exception being 30mph. Having a road of speeding cars can be a nightmare for those living there, what with the noise, the difficulty in crossing, the worry of accidents, etc. Is it really such a pain to slow down when going through a residential area such as this. It's just a shame that Cllr. John Smith didn't think that the similar concerns of residents on Bilford Road were worth considering, despite the hundreds of signatures that we gave to him asking for an investigation into ways of improving the safety of this road for residents. Matthew Jenkins

5:38pm Thu 28 Feb 13

tuppennyblue says...

TWELVE THOUSAND motorists think the speed limit is too low. ONE local authority thinks it isn't.

Whatever happened to democracy?
TWELVE THOUSAND motorists think the speed limit is too low. ONE local authority thinks it isn't. Whatever happened to democracy? tuppennyblue

8:14pm Thu 28 Feb 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

I see the boy(baby)-racers are out in force!
I see the boy(baby)-racers are out in force! imustbeoldiwearacap

8:16pm Thu 28 Feb 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

I see the boy(baby)-racers are out in force!
I see the boy(baby)-racers are out in force! imustbeoldiwearacap

10:49pm Thu 28 Feb 13

The Doosra says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
I see the boy(baby)-racers are out in force!
And not a functioning brain cell between them.
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: I see the boy(baby)-racers are out in force![/p][/quote]And not a functioning brain cell between them. The Doosra

11:37pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Biggles says...

Andy_R wrote:
How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.
The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai
nst the guidelines for setting speed limits.
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Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out !
[quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.[/p][/quote]The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai nst the guidelines for setting speed limits. . Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out ! Biggles

12:55am Fri 1 Mar 13

Guy66 says...

Biggles wrote:
Andy_R wrote:
How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.
The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai

nst the guidelines for setting speed limits.
.
Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out !
It's about the LAW and the speed limit in built up areas - respect the law please our just surrender your license.

If you believe you're safe exceeding the speed limit because you have some deluded ideal that you're "A great driver" then please send your driving license to DVLA to have it revoked!
[quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.[/p][/quote]The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai nst the guidelines for setting speed limits. . Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out ![/p][/quote]It's about the LAW and the speed limit in built up areas - respect the law please our just surrender your license. If you believe you're safe exceeding the speed limit because you have some deluded ideal that you're "A great driver" then please send your driving license to DVLA to have it revoked! Guy66

6:53am Fri 1 Mar 13

stu2010 says...

Since all the speed cameras in Swindon were switched off the number of accidents have decreased, probably because everyone is now looking where they are going instead of looking at their speedometers
Since all the speed cameras in Swindon were switched off the number of accidents have decreased, probably because everyone is now looking where they are going instead of looking at their speedometers stu2010

8:54am Fri 1 Mar 13

Arthur Blenkinsop says...

There have been several of these flashing speed indicators in Hallow. There one minute, gone the next, with just the post left behind - i guess someone has got a garage full of them!
Also, a while ago, i got to watch people leaving a drivers training course held for those drivers who can't read speed limit signs, and, as they left, a good many of them were driving off whilst talking on a mobile phone, quite obviously texting or eating or drinking. So, i gather from this, that a good percentage of those drivers who get caught speeding are quite often those that really don't give a hoot about, or take any notice of, any other rules of the road!
There have been several of these flashing speed indicators in Hallow. There one minute, gone the next, with just the post left behind - i guess someone has got a garage full of them! Also, a while ago, i got to watch people leaving a drivers training course held for those drivers who can't read speed limit signs, and, as they left, a good many of them were driving off whilst talking on a mobile phone, quite obviously texting or eating or drinking. So, i gather from this, that a good percentage of those drivers who get caught speeding are quite often those that really don't give a hoot about, or take any notice of, any other rules of the road! Arthur Blenkinsop

1:49pm Fri 1 Mar 13

BrownSauce says...

stu2010 wrote:
Since all the speed cameras in Swindon were switched off the number of accidents have decreased, probably because everyone is now looking where they are going instead of looking at their speedometers
Swindon, which scrapped its speed cameras in July 2009 to save on council costs and trial other traffic calming measures, has just two accidents per thousand registered vehicles on its roads - the lowest rate in the UK.

The town became the first English local authority to decommission fixed cameras, although it decided to maintain mobile cameras used by police.

In reply to a question from Yahoo, Taxpayers’ Alliance campaign director Emma Boon said: “This is more evidence that speed cameras are not the answer to making Britain's roads safer. The cameras result in fines that represent a significant burden on drivers on the basis of how fast they are driving on one stretch of road, but we need a broader, more effective approach to road safety policy."

“Local authorities should follow Swindon’s example and move to focus on other road safety measures aside from speed”.
[quote][p][bold]stu2010[/bold] wrote: Since all the speed cameras in Swindon were switched off the number of accidents have decreased, probably because everyone is now looking where they are going instead of looking at their speedometers[/p][/quote]Swindon, which scrapped its speed cameras in July 2009 to save on council costs and trial other traffic calming measures, has just two accidents per thousand registered vehicles on its roads - the lowest rate in the UK. The town became the first English local authority to decommission fixed cameras, although it decided to maintain mobile cameras used by police. In reply to a question from Yahoo, Taxpayers’ Alliance campaign director Emma Boon said: “This is more evidence that speed cameras are not the answer to making Britain's roads safer. The cameras result in fines that represent a significant burden on drivers on the basis of how fast they are driving on one stretch of road, but we need a broader, more effective approach to road safety policy." “Local authorities should follow Swindon’s example and move to focus on other road safety measures aside from speed”. BrownSauce

3:48pm Fri 1 Mar 13

MrWXYZ says...

Theres not enough info to support some of the statements here. What is 12,000 people are doing 31mph then on the 8th day the next person does 40mph and causes an accident? Then 30 is probably the right speed limit, not 20 or 40.

Saying that the article has similar assumptions with lack of info. "I went and checked it on Friday morning to see it was working and it was around 9,000. I took a note and reset it. I went down later and it read 808 so there is no doubt it’s working". Theres no doubt the counter is increasing with time, no proof its working correctly unless someone monitored those 808 cars with a speed gun!

Driver behaviour with these flashing signs (as at most things) confuses me. There are a lot of these signs around now and you see people brake before them then speed up after. Do they think they are speed cameras, or think its ok to speed if nothing flashes at you?
Theres not enough info to support some of the statements here. What is 12,000 people are doing 31mph then on the 8th day the next person does 40mph and causes an accident? Then 30 is probably the right speed limit, not 20 or 40. Saying that the article has similar assumptions with lack of info. "I went and checked it on Friday morning to see it was working and it was around 9,000. I took a note and reset it. I went down later and it read 808 so there is no doubt it’s working". Theres no doubt the counter is increasing with time, no proof its working correctly unless someone monitored those 808 cars with a speed gun! Driver behaviour with these flashing signs (as at most things) confuses me. There are a lot of these signs around now and you see people brake before them then speed up after. Do they think they are speed cameras, or think its ok to speed if nothing flashes at you? MrWXYZ

7:54pm Fri 1 Mar 13

Biggles says...

Guy66 wrote:
Biggles wrote:
Andy_R wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.
The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai nst the guidelines for setting speed limits. . Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out !
It's about the LAW and the speed limit in built up areas - respect the law please our just surrender your license. If you believe you're safe exceeding the speed limit because you have some deluded ideal that you're "A great driver" then please send your driving license to DVLA to have it revoked!
No and No.
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Next ?
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:-)
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I actually like these signs, the one local to me, on Woodgreen drive, I never took any notice of it until I saw the reports of how often it is tripped.
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Now I always cause it to trip, just to upset people like your good self.
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You don't send your licence back to have it revoked, just so you know, that would be called surrendering your licence.
[quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.[/p][/quote]The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai nst the guidelines for setting speed limits. . Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out ![/p][/quote]It's about the LAW and the speed limit in built up areas - respect the law please our just surrender your license. If you believe you're safe exceeding the speed limit because you have some deluded ideal that you're "A great driver" then please send your driving license to DVLA to have it revoked![/p][/quote]No and No. . Next ? . :-) . I actually like these signs, the one local to me, on Woodgreen drive, I never took any notice of it until I saw the reports of how often it is tripped. . Now I always cause it to trip, just to upset people like your good self. . You don't send your licence back to have it revoked, just so you know, that would be called surrendering your licence. Biggles

8:57pm Fri 1 Mar 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

Biggles wrote:
Guy66 wrote:
Biggles wrote:
Andy_R wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.
The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai nst the guidelines for setting speed limits. . Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out !
It's about the LAW and the speed limit in built up areas - respect the law please our just surrender your license. If you believe you're safe exceeding the speed limit because you have some deluded ideal that you're "A great driver" then please send your driving license to DVLA to have it revoked!
No and No.
.
Next ?
.
:-)
.
I actually like these signs, the one local to me, on Woodgreen drive, I never took any notice of it until I saw the reports of how often it is tripped.
.
Now I always cause it to trip, just to upset people like your good self.
.
You don't send your licence back to have it revoked, just so you know, that would be called surrendering your licence.
Well Biggles I'll just bring round my V8 to your house and rev it up all night just to upset you!
[quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.[/p][/quote]The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai nst the guidelines for setting speed limits. . Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out ![/p][/quote]It's about the LAW and the speed limit in built up areas - respect the law please our just surrender your license. If you believe you're safe exceeding the speed limit because you have some deluded ideal that you're "A great driver" then please send your driving license to DVLA to have it revoked![/p][/quote]No and No. . Next ? . :-) . I actually like these signs, the one local to me, on Woodgreen drive, I never took any notice of it until I saw the reports of how often it is tripped. . Now I always cause it to trip, just to upset people like your good self. . You don't send your licence back to have it revoked, just so you know, that would be called surrendering your licence.[/p][/quote]Well Biggles I'll just bring round my V8 to your house and rev it up all night just to upset you! imustbeoldiwearacap

10:32pm Sat 2 Mar 13

mr_wilson15 says...

Biggles wrote:
Guy66 wrote:
Biggles wrote:
Andy_R wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.
The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai nst the guidelines for setting speed limits. . Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out !
It's about the LAW and the speed limit in built up areas - respect the law please our just surrender your license. If you believe you're safe exceeding the speed limit because you have some deluded ideal that you're "A great driver" then please send your driving license to DVLA to have it revoked!
No and No.
.
Next ?
.
:-)
.
I actually like these signs, the one local to me, on Woodgreen drive, I never took any notice of it until I saw the reports of how often it is tripped.
.
Now I always cause it to trip, just to upset people like your good self.
.
You don't send your licence back to have it revoked, just so you know, that would be called surrendering your licence.
I don't understand people's aversions to the Law on this site?? If the government set the legal speed limit at 30mph how can you waltz about with such self-proclaiming 'bravado', hiding behind pseudonyms, telling everyone how you break the speed limit "just to annoy our good selfs" ... ?
[quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.[/p][/quote]The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai nst the guidelines for setting speed limits. . Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out ![/p][/quote]It's about the LAW and the speed limit in built up areas - respect the law please our just surrender your license. If you believe you're safe exceeding the speed limit because you have some deluded ideal that you're "A great driver" then please send your driving license to DVLA to have it revoked![/p][/quote]No and No. . Next ? . :-) . I actually like these signs, the one local to me, on Woodgreen drive, I never took any notice of it until I saw the reports of how often it is tripped. . Now I always cause it to trip, just to upset people like your good self. . You don't send your licence back to have it revoked, just so you know, that would be called surrendering your licence.[/p][/quote]I don't understand people's aversions to the Law on this site?? If the government set the legal speed limit at 30mph how can you waltz about with such self-proclaiming 'bravado', hiding behind pseudonyms, telling everyone how you break the speed limit "just to annoy our good selfs" ... ? mr_wilson15

8:08am Sun 3 Mar 13

The Doosra says...

Andy_R wrote:
How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.
If these drivers caused no accidents, that's evidence that the speed limit is right.
[quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.[/p][/quote]If these drivers caused no accidents, that's evidence that the speed limit is right. The Doosra

12:01am Mon 4 Mar 13

Biggles says...

mr_wilson15 wrote:
Biggles wrote:
Guy66 wrote:
Biggles wrote:
Andy_R wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.
The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai nst the guidelines for setting speed limits. . Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out !
It's about the LAW and the speed limit in built up areas - respect the law please our just surrender your license. If you believe you're safe exceeding the speed limit because you have some deluded ideal that you're "A great driver" then please send your driving license to DVLA to have it revoked!
No and No. . Next ? . :-) . I actually like these signs, the one local to me, on Woodgreen drive, I never took any notice of it until I saw the reports of how often it is tripped. . Now I always cause it to trip, just to upset people like your good self. . You don't send your licence back to have it revoked, just so you know, that would be called surrendering your licence.
I don't understand people's aversions to the Law on this site?? If the government set the legal speed limit at 30mph how can you waltz about with such self-proclaiming 'bravado', hiding behind pseudonyms, telling everyone how you break the speed limit "just to annoy our good selfs" ... ?
Firstly, and most importantly,you don't have to exceed the speed limit to activate these signs, the activation level is set by your very own and self interested scamerati mob.
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Then, the government don't set speed limits, they are set locally, the government actually suggest that the speed limit is set at the 85th precentile, in case you don't know what that is, it is the speed that 85% of drivers will not exceed driving along that stretch of road, and until "new labour", that is how they were set.
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On the road I mentioned, Woodgreen drive, the local department actually responsible for setting that limit have twice recommended it be raised to 40 mph, the local do gooders are having none of this of course.
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MotorVehicles seem to be the last consideration in the setting of speed limits in this modern world, rather than the first, which is the world I grew up in.
[quote][p][bold]mr_wilson15[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.[/p][/quote]The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai nst the guidelines for setting speed limits. . Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out ![/p][/quote]It's about the LAW and the speed limit in built up areas - respect the law please our just surrender your license. If you believe you're safe exceeding the speed limit because you have some deluded ideal that you're "A great driver" then please send your driving license to DVLA to have it revoked![/p][/quote]No and No. . Next ? . :-) . I actually like these signs, the one local to me, on Woodgreen drive, I never took any notice of it until I saw the reports of how often it is tripped. . Now I always cause it to trip, just to upset people like your good self. . You don't send your licence back to have it revoked, just so you know, that would be called surrendering your licence.[/p][/quote]I don't understand people's aversions to the Law on this site?? If the government set the legal speed limit at 30mph how can you waltz about with such self-proclaiming 'bravado', hiding behind pseudonyms, telling everyone how you break the speed limit "just to annoy our good selfs" ... ?[/p][/quote]Firstly, and most importantly,you don't have to exceed the speed limit to activate these signs, the activation level is set by your very own and self interested scamerati mob. . Then, the government don't set speed limits, they are set locally, the government actually suggest that the speed limit is set at the 85th precentile, in case you don't know what that is, it is the speed that 85% of drivers will not exceed driving along that stretch of road, and until "new labour", that is how they were set. . On the road I mentioned, Woodgreen drive, the local department actually responsible for setting that limit have twice recommended it be raised to 40 mph, the local do gooders are having none of this of course. . MotorVehicles seem to be the last consideration in the setting of speed limits in this modern world, rather than the first, which is the world I grew up in. Biggles

8:21am Mon 4 Mar 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

Biggles wrote:
mr_wilson15 wrote:
Biggles wrote:
Guy66 wrote:
Biggles wrote:
Andy_R wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.
The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai nst the guidelines for setting speed limits. . Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out !
It's about the LAW and the speed limit in built up areas - respect the law please our just surrender your license. If you believe you're safe exceeding the speed limit because you have some deluded ideal that you're "A great driver" then please send your driving license to DVLA to have it revoked!
No and No. . Next ? . :-) . I actually like these signs, the one local to me, on Woodgreen drive, I never took any notice of it until I saw the reports of how often it is tripped. . Now I always cause it to trip, just to upset people like your good self. . You don't send your licence back to have it revoked, just so you know, that would be called surrendering your licence.
I don't understand people's aversions to the Law on this site?? If the government set the legal speed limit at 30mph how can you waltz about with such self-proclaiming 'bravado', hiding behind pseudonyms, telling everyone how you break the speed limit "just to annoy our good selfs" ... ?
Firstly, and most importantly,you don't have to exceed the speed limit to activate these signs, the activation level is set by your very own and self interested scamerati mob.
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Then, the government don't set speed limits, they are set locally, the government actually suggest that the speed limit is set at the 85th precentile, in case you don't know what that is, it is the speed that 85% of drivers will not exceed driving along that stretch of road, and until "new labour", that is how they were set.
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On the road I mentioned, Woodgreen drive, the local department actually responsible for setting that limit have twice recommended it be raised to 40 mph, the local do gooders are having none of this of course.
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MotorVehicles seem to be the last consideration in the setting of speed limits in this modern world, rather than the first, which is the world I grew up in.
Wrong! People should always be first! Whether it be for safety, enviroment or just plain peace and quiet!
[quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr_wilson15[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.[/p][/quote]The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai nst the guidelines for setting speed limits. . Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out ![/p][/quote]It's about the LAW and the speed limit in built up areas - respect the law please our just surrender your license. If you believe you're safe exceeding the speed limit because you have some deluded ideal that you're "A great driver" then please send your driving license to DVLA to have it revoked![/p][/quote]No and No. . Next ? . :-) . I actually like these signs, the one local to me, on Woodgreen drive, I never took any notice of it until I saw the reports of how often it is tripped. . Now I always cause it to trip, just to upset people like your good self. . You don't send your licence back to have it revoked, just so you know, that would be called surrendering your licence.[/p][/quote]I don't understand people's aversions to the Law on this site?? If the government set the legal speed limit at 30mph how can you waltz about with such self-proclaiming 'bravado', hiding behind pseudonyms, telling everyone how you break the speed limit "just to annoy our good selfs" ... ?[/p][/quote]Firstly, and most importantly,you don't have to exceed the speed limit to activate these signs, the activation level is set by your very own and self interested scamerati mob. . Then, the government don't set speed limits, they are set locally, the government actually suggest that the speed limit is set at the 85th precentile, in case you don't know what that is, it is the speed that 85% of drivers will not exceed driving along that stretch of road, and until "new labour", that is how they were set. . On the road I mentioned, Woodgreen drive, the local department actually responsible for setting that limit have twice recommended it be raised to 40 mph, the local do gooders are having none of this of course. . MotorVehicles seem to be the last consideration in the setting of speed limits in this modern world, rather than the first, which is the world I grew up in.[/p][/quote]Wrong! People should always be first! Whether it be for safety, enviroment or just plain peace and quiet! imustbeoldiwearacap

10:05am Mon 4 Mar 13

Guy66 says...

Biggles wrote:
mr_wilson15 wrote:
Biggles wrote:
Guy66 wrote:
Biggles wrote:
Andy_R wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.
The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai nst the guidelines for setting speed limits. . Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out !
It's about the LAW and the speed limit in built up areas - respect the law please our just surrender your license. If you believe you're safe exceeding the speed limit because you have some deluded ideal that you're "A great driver" then please send your driving license to DVLA to have it revoked!
No and No. . Next ? . :-) . I actually like these signs, the one local to me, on Woodgreen drive, I never took any notice of it until I saw the reports of how often it is tripped. . Now I always cause it to trip, just to upset people like your good self. . You don't send your licence back to have it revoked, just so you know, that would be called surrendering your licence.
I don't understand people's aversions to the Law on this site?? If the government set the legal speed limit at 30mph how can you waltz about with such self-proclaiming 'bravado', hiding behind pseudonyms, telling everyone how you break the speed limit "just to annoy our good selfs" ... ?
Firstly, and most importantly,you don't have to exceed the speed limit to activate these signs, the activation level is set by your very own and self interested scamerati mob.
.
Then, the government don't set speed limits, they are set locally, the government actually suggest that the speed limit is set at the 85th precentile, in case you don't know what that is, it is the speed that 85% of drivers will not exceed driving along that stretch of road, and until "new labour", that is how they were set.
.
On the road I mentioned, Woodgreen drive, the local department actually responsible for setting that limit have twice recommended it be raised to 40 mph, the local do gooders are having none of this of course.
.
MotorVehicles seem to be the last consideration in the setting of speed limits in this modern world, rather than the first, which is the world I grew up in.
Biggles do us all a favor and fly off now little boy!
[quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr_wilson15[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.[/p][/quote]The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai nst the guidelines for setting speed limits. . Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out ![/p][/quote]It's about the LAW and the speed limit in built up areas - respect the law please our just surrender your license. If you believe you're safe exceeding the speed limit because you have some deluded ideal that you're "A great driver" then please send your driving license to DVLA to have it revoked![/p][/quote]No and No. . Next ? . :-) . I actually like these signs, the one local to me, on Woodgreen drive, I never took any notice of it until I saw the reports of how often it is tripped. . Now I always cause it to trip, just to upset people like your good self. . You don't send your licence back to have it revoked, just so you know, that would be called surrendering your licence.[/p][/quote]I don't understand people's aversions to the Law on this site?? If the government set the legal speed limit at 30mph how can you waltz about with such self-proclaiming 'bravado', hiding behind pseudonyms, telling everyone how you break the speed limit "just to annoy our good selfs" ... ?[/p][/quote]Firstly, and most importantly,you don't have to exceed the speed limit to activate these signs, the activation level is set by your very own and self interested scamerati mob. . Then, the government don't set speed limits, they are set locally, the government actually suggest that the speed limit is set at the 85th precentile, in case you don't know what that is, it is the speed that 85% of drivers will not exceed driving along that stretch of road, and until "new labour", that is how they were set. . On the road I mentioned, Woodgreen drive, the local department actually responsible for setting that limit have twice recommended it be raised to 40 mph, the local do gooders are having none of this of course. . MotorVehicles seem to be the last consideration in the setting of speed limits in this modern world, rather than the first, which is the world I grew up in.[/p][/quote]Biggles do us all a favor and fly off now little boy! Guy66

1:26pm Mon 4 Mar 13

mr_wilson15 says...

Guy66 wrote:
Biggles wrote:
mr_wilson15 wrote:
Biggles wrote:
Guy66 wrote:
Biggles wrote:
Andy_R wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.
The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai nst the guidelines for setting speed limits. . Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out !
It's about the LAW and the speed limit in built up areas - respect the law please our just surrender your license. If you believe you're safe exceeding the speed limit because you have some deluded ideal that you're "A great driver" then please send your driving license to DVLA to have it revoked!
No and No. . Next ? . :-) . I actually like these signs, the one local to me, on Woodgreen drive, I never took any notice of it until I saw the reports of how often it is tripped. . Now I always cause it to trip, just to upset people like your good self. . You don't send your licence back to have it revoked, just so you know, that would be called surrendering your licence.
I don't understand people's aversions to the Law on this site?? If the government set the legal speed limit at 30mph how can you waltz about with such self-proclaiming 'bravado', hiding behind pseudonyms, telling everyone how you break the speed limit "just to annoy our good selfs" ... ?
Firstly, and most importantly,you don't have to exceed the speed limit to activate these signs, the activation level is set by your very own and self interested scamerati mob.
.
Then, the government don't set speed limits, they are set locally, the government actually suggest that the speed limit is set at the 85th precentile, in case you don't know what that is, it is the speed that 85% of drivers will not exceed driving along that stretch of road, and until "new labour", that is how they were set.
.
On the road I mentioned, Woodgreen drive, the local department actually responsible for setting that limit have twice recommended it be raised to 40 mph, the local do gooders are having none of this of course.
.
MotorVehicles seem to be the last consideration in the setting of speed limits in this modern world, rather than the first, which is the world I grew up in.
Biggles do us all a favor and fly off now little boy!
I suppose the problem is that Biggles is used to speeds of 100mph in skies where pedestrians are scarce. Can hardly expect the poor sod to be rational behind the joystick of an automobile!
[quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr_wilson15[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: How many accidents did these 12000 speeding drivers cause? If the answer is zero, then that's a very, very strong indication that the speed limit is too low on this road.[/p][/quote]The above is about it really, no accidents, no issues, and clearly the speed limit is set below the 85th percentile......agai nst the guidelines for setting speed limits. . Lowering the speed limit to the absolutely absurd 20 mph spoken about will just lead to the sign wearing out ![/p][/quote]It's about the LAW and the speed limit in built up areas - respect the law please our just surrender your license. If you believe you're safe exceeding the speed limit because you have some deluded ideal that you're "A great driver" then please send your driving license to DVLA to have it revoked![/p][/quote]No and No. . Next ? . :-) . I actually like these signs, the one local to me, on Woodgreen drive, I never took any notice of it until I saw the reports of how often it is tripped. . Now I always cause it to trip, just to upset people like your good self. . You don't send your licence back to have it revoked, just so you know, that would be called surrendering your licence.[/p][/quote]I don't understand people's aversions to the Law on this site?? If the government set the legal speed limit at 30mph how can you waltz about with such self-proclaiming 'bravado', hiding behind pseudonyms, telling everyone how you break the speed limit "just to annoy our good selfs" ... ?[/p][/quote]Firstly, and most importantly,you don't have to exceed the speed limit to activate these signs, the activation level is set by your very own and self interested scamerati mob. . Then, the government don't set speed limits, they are set locally, the government actually suggest that the speed limit is set at the 85th precentile, in case you don't know what that is, it is the speed that 85% of drivers will not exceed driving along that stretch of road, and until "new labour", that is how they were set. . On the road I mentioned, Woodgreen drive, the local department actually responsible for setting that limit have twice recommended it be raised to 40 mph, the local do gooders are having none of this of course. . MotorVehicles seem to be the last consideration in the setting of speed limits in this modern world, rather than the first, which is the world I grew up in.[/p][/quote]Biggles do us all a favor and fly off now little boy![/p][/quote]I suppose the problem is that Biggles is used to speeds of 100mph in skies where pedestrians are scarce. Can hardly expect the poor sod to be rational behind the joystick of an automobile! mr_wilson15

4:50pm Mon 4 Mar 13

Tanglefoot1 says...

Good idea,let's have more of them.
Good idea,let's have more of them. Tanglefoot1

6:32pm Mon 4 Mar 13

DarrenM says...

I see the single issue 20mph man has raised his head again.

I'm no expert on politics but if you want to get elected I'd pick a better single issue to harp on about, if i were you.
I see the single issue 20mph man has raised his head again. I'm no expert on politics but if you want to get elected I'd pick a better single issue to harp on about, if i were you. DarrenM

10:55am Tue 5 Mar 13

Audi Driver says...

Any noticed the new speed limit sign (40mph) on the A44 at Lower Broadheath.? No matter how fast/slow you drive there it tells you to slow down. Driving 30mph and it still tells you that you are speeding. If you're going to use these signs make sure they are working correctly.
Wonder how many were clocked in that one........
Any noticed the new speed limit sign (40mph) on the A44 at Lower Broadheath.? No matter how fast/slow you drive there it tells you to slow down. Driving 30mph and it still tells you that you are speeding. If you're going to use these signs make sure they are working correctly. Wonder how many were clocked in that one........ Audi Driver

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