It’s time to claim back Hive library

IN THE SPOTLIGHT: There have been complaints about behaviour at the Hive.

IN THE SPOTLIGHT: There have been complaints about behaviour at the Hive.

First published in News

THERE has been a flood of comments following our report on teenage gangs driving families away from the award-winning Hive library at peak times.

While many readers praised staff, others agree that the venue is becoming unsuitable for young children due to the behaviour of some youngsters.

rubalish said: “I went into the Hive for the first time a couple of weeks ago with my grandson after a visit to the cinema.

“I felt very threatened by the appalling behaviour of some teenagers who were asking for a fight with this lad.

“We left as the language was vile I asked the guard to escort us past them.”

moicar2 said: “I tried taking my grandson there on Saturdays, but quickly realised it was not an appropriate place for a young child.

“The language and behaviour of an element of some of the young users was just unacceptable.

“My sympathies are with the staff who are having to deal with this behaviour instead of doing the job that they are trained to do.”

While rozzyraspberry said: “I am a student at the university and I have to completely agree. My fellow third years and I find it incredibly difficult to find decent study spaces away from drunks and disrespectful teens and academic resources are muddled up with non-academic resources.”

Other comments inc-luded ladyD123 who said: “The powers that be at the Hive need to have a serious think about who they wish to have as patrons and do something about it.”

Landy44 said: “There is no excuse for bad behaviour and certainly no one should feel that they have to stay away from a resource they helped pay for and that they are entitled to use.”

However, some readers say that the majority of young people using the facilities are polite and well behaved. MasterKate said: “The Hive has let the young people in and let that culture build up until the student mentors got in and they are doing their utmost to change the culture now.

“It’s also a small number of young people. Most are well mannered and they just want somewhere they can go instead of just hanging around.”

CJH said: “It has to be said of course that families also are the cause of a lot of the noise at the Hive. Why do parents allow their little darlings to run up and down shouting and screaming?”

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10:27am Fri 8 Mar 13

pronstar says...

CJH you got a name check!
CJH you got a name check! pronstar
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12:47pm Fri 8 Mar 13

CJH says...

pronstar wrote:
CJH you got a name check!
CJH waits for backlash from parents with young children...
[quote][p][bold]pronstar[/bold] wrote: CJH you got a name check![/p][/quote]CJH waits for backlash from parents with young children... CJH
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12:56pm Fri 8 Mar 13

Slightly Grubby Harry says...

CJH consider your back slightly lashed by a parent with young children!
I would rather have the sound of children having fun than have to suffer the 'knuckle-scrapers' using an 'f' or 'c' as almost every other word just to show how 'ard they are, it's just a shame that some of the parents/carers who seem barely in control of their trainee 'knuckle-scrapers' then resort to the effing and blinding at their charges.
CJH consider your back slightly lashed by a parent with young children! I would rather have the sound of children having fun than have to suffer the 'knuckle-scrapers' using an 'f' or 'c' as almost every other word just to show how 'ard they are, it's just a shame that some of the parents/carers who seem barely in control of their trainee 'knuckle-scrapers' then resort to the effing and blinding at their charges. Slightly Grubby Harry
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1:17pm Fri 8 Mar 13

batchelorboy says...

“We left as the language was vile I asked the guard to escort us past them.”

What is the guard there for if not to control bad behaviour?

What's the point of him then if not? Does Joe Public pay his salary?
“We left as the language was vile I asked the guard to escort us past them.” What is the guard there for if not to control bad behaviour? What's the point of him then if not? Does Joe Public pay his salary? batchelorboy
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1:53pm Fri 8 Mar 13

CJH says...

Slightly Grubby Harry wrote:
CJH consider your back slightly lashed by a parent with young children!
I would rather have the sound of children having fun than have to suffer the 'knuckle-scrapers' using an 'f' or 'c' as almost every other word just to show how 'ard they are, it's just a shame that some of the parents/carers who seem barely in control of their trainee 'knuckle-scrapers' then resort to the effing and blinding at their charges.
It's likely that small children allowed to run riot without any control from parents today will be teenagers without control in a few years time. All I'm asking for is that there is respect (regardless of age) shown to library users who would like some peace and quiet to work/study. Is that too much to ask? It's not a creche, it's not a youth centre. It's a library. They could at least have put some doors on the children's section to keep the noise down, and also to protect them from being exposed to bad behaviour/language from teenagers (or whoever). I know it's a minority, but sadly a very vocal minority.
[quote][p][bold]Slightly Grubby Harry[/bold] wrote: CJH consider your back slightly lashed by a parent with young children! I would rather have the sound of children having fun than have to suffer the 'knuckle-scrapers' using an 'f' or 'c' as almost every other word just to show how 'ard they are, it's just a shame that some of the parents/carers who seem barely in control of their trainee 'knuckle-scrapers' then resort to the effing and blinding at their charges.[/p][/quote]It's likely that small children allowed to run riot without any control from parents today will be teenagers without control in a few years time. All I'm asking for is that there is respect (regardless of age) shown to library users who would like some peace and quiet to work/study. Is that too much to ask? It's not a creche, it's not a youth centre. It's a library. They could at least have put some doors on the children's section to keep the noise down, and also to protect them from being exposed to bad behaviour/language from teenagers (or whoever). I know it's a minority, but sadly a very vocal minority. CJH
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2:49pm Fri 8 Mar 13

rubalish says...

I would feel very worried if my Grandson wanted to go there alone ,I think I would still worry if he was there with friends !
I did try to speak with one of the culprits but was told in no uncertain terms where to go !
What a world hey ?
I would feel very worried if my Grandson wanted to go there alone ,I think I would still worry if he was there with friends ! I did try to speak with one of the culprits but was told in no uncertain terms where to go ! What a world hey ? rubalish
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2:49pm Fri 8 Mar 13

rubalish says...

I would feel very worried if my Grandson wanted to go there alone ,I think I would still worry if he was there with friends !
I did try to speak with one of the culprits but was told in no uncertain terms where to go !
What a world hey ?
I would feel very worried if my Grandson wanted to go there alone ,I think I would still worry if he was there with friends ! I did try to speak with one of the culprits but was told in no uncertain terms where to go ! What a world hey ? rubalish
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4:33pm Fri 8 Mar 13

kjjackson says...

i am a student at the university and let me say that i know for a fact that over half of the students opposed the integration of our campus library and the city library based upon the assumption that this amongst other things would happen. i am currently undertaking my undergraduate dissertation and as if it wasnt hard enough without having to deal with the issue of not having a decent working environment. the kids/young people in the hive are rude, disrespectful and use language that i wouldn't have dare use when i was younger nor would i have spoken to a adult they way they do. i can full understand why older people and families avoid using the hive during busy times. there have also been times where i have been prevent from accessing certain areas of the hive because it was "full" this was the group study area on the ground floor of the hive specifially allocated for "group study" and yet i couldnt access it. im sorry but the council and hive workers need to seriously consider their motives because i feel it is having a detrimental affect on student learning in the one place we are supposed to be able to use
i am a student at the university and let me say that i know for a fact that over half of the students opposed the integration of our campus library and the city library based upon the assumption that this amongst other things would happen. i am currently undertaking my undergraduate dissertation and as if it wasnt hard enough without having to deal with the issue of not having a decent working environment. the kids/young people in the hive are rude, disrespectful and use language that i wouldn't have dare use when i was younger nor would i have spoken to a adult they way they do. i can full understand why older people and families avoid using the hive during busy times. there have also been times where i have been prevent from accessing certain areas of the hive because it was "full" this was the group study area on the ground floor of the hive specifially allocated for "group study" and yet i couldnt access it. im sorry but the council and hive workers need to seriously consider their motives because i feel it is having a detrimental affect on student learning in the one place we are supposed to be able to use kjjackson
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5:15pm Fri 8 Mar 13

daffy says...

CJH wrote:
Slightly Grubby Harry wrote:
CJH consider your back slightly lashed by a parent with young children!
I would rather have the sound of children having fun than have to suffer the 'knuckle-scrapers' using an 'f' or 'c' as almost every other word just to show how 'ard they are, it's just a shame that some of the parents/carers who seem barely in control of their trainee 'knuckle-scrapers' then resort to the effing and blinding at their charges.
It's likely that small children allowed to run riot without any control from parents today will be teenagers without control in a few years time. All I'm asking for is that there is respect (regardless of age) shown to library users who would like some peace and quiet to work/study. Is that too much to ask? It's not a creche, it's not a youth centre. It's a library. They could at least have put some doors on the children's section to keep the noise down, and also to protect them from being exposed to bad behaviour/language from teenagers (or whoever). I know it's a minority, but sadly a very vocal minority.
have never agreed with cjh but on this occasion can see where he/she is coming from. children from when they start walking should be taught not to run around when out in a public area unless it's a designated children's area. they are not only being allowed to put themselves at risk or at risk of causing injuries to others. it will be no good blaming others when your child gets injured because of your lack of control. i have been to the hive on a couple of occassions and must say that i have noticed quite a few students hangin around outside but have never heard any colourful words at all in fact i hear more on the busses from secondary school children than i did on the 44 taking 6th form students
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slightly Grubby Harry[/bold] wrote: CJH consider your back slightly lashed by a parent with young children! I would rather have the sound of children having fun than have to suffer the 'knuckle-scrapers' using an 'f' or 'c' as almost every other word just to show how 'ard they are, it's just a shame that some of the parents/carers who seem barely in control of their trainee 'knuckle-scrapers' then resort to the effing and blinding at their charges.[/p][/quote]It's likely that small children allowed to run riot without any control from parents today will be teenagers without control in a few years time. All I'm asking for is that there is respect (regardless of age) shown to library users who would like some peace and quiet to work/study. Is that too much to ask? It's not a creche, it's not a youth centre. It's a library. They could at least have put some doors on the children's section to keep the noise down, and also to protect them from being exposed to bad behaviour/language from teenagers (or whoever). I know it's a minority, but sadly a very vocal minority.[/p][/quote]have never agreed with cjh but on this occasion can see where he/she is coming from. children from when they start walking should be taught not to run around when out in a public area unless it's a designated children's area. they are not only being allowed to put themselves at risk or at risk of causing injuries to others. it will be no good blaming others when your child gets injured because of your lack of control. i have been to the hive on a couple of occassions and must say that i have noticed quite a few students hangin around outside but have never heard any colourful words at all in fact i hear more on the busses from secondary school children than i did on the 44 taking 6th form students daffy
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6:02pm Fri 8 Mar 13

CJH says...

daffy wrote:
CJH wrote:
Slightly Grubby Harry wrote:
CJH consider your back slightly lashed by a parent with young children!
I would rather have the sound of children having fun than have to suffer the 'knuckle-scrapers' using an 'f' or 'c' as almost every other word just to show how 'ard they are, it's just a shame that some of the parents/carers who seem barely in control of their trainee 'knuckle-scrapers' then resort to the effing and blinding at their charges.
It's likely that small children allowed to run riot without any control from parents today will be teenagers without control in a few years time. All I'm asking for is that there is respect (regardless of age) shown to library users who would like some peace and quiet to work/study. Is that too much to ask? It's not a creche, it's not a youth centre. It's a library. They could at least have put some doors on the children's section to keep the noise down, and also to protect them from being exposed to bad behaviour/language from teenagers (or whoever). I know it's a minority, but sadly a very vocal minority.
have never agreed with cjh but on this occasion can see where he/she is coming from. children from when they start walking should be taught not to run around when out in a public area unless it's a designated children's area. they are not only being allowed to put themselves at risk or at risk of causing injuries to others. it will be no good blaming others when your child gets injured because of your lack of control. i have been to the hive on a couple of occassions and must say that i have noticed quite a few students hangin around outside but have never heard any colourful words at all in fact i hear more on the busses from secondary school children than i did on the 44 taking 6th form students
Daffy, I'm touched! (And I'm a 'she')
[quote][p][bold]daffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slightly Grubby Harry[/bold] wrote: CJH consider your back slightly lashed by a parent with young children! I would rather have the sound of children having fun than have to suffer the 'knuckle-scrapers' using an 'f' or 'c' as almost every other word just to show how 'ard they are, it's just a shame that some of the parents/carers who seem barely in control of their trainee 'knuckle-scrapers' then resort to the effing and blinding at their charges.[/p][/quote]It's likely that small children allowed to run riot without any control from parents today will be teenagers without control in a few years time. All I'm asking for is that there is respect (regardless of age) shown to library users who would like some peace and quiet to work/study. Is that too much to ask? It's not a creche, it's not a youth centre. It's a library. They could at least have put some doors on the children's section to keep the noise down, and also to protect them from being exposed to bad behaviour/language from teenagers (or whoever). I know it's a minority, but sadly a very vocal minority.[/p][/quote]have never agreed with cjh but on this occasion can see where he/she is coming from. children from when they start walking should be taught not to run around when out in a public area unless it's a designated children's area. they are not only being allowed to put themselves at risk or at risk of causing injuries to others. it will be no good blaming others when your child gets injured because of your lack of control. i have been to the hive on a couple of occassions and must say that i have noticed quite a few students hangin around outside but have never heard any colourful words at all in fact i hear more on the busses from secondary school children than i did on the 44 taking 6th form students[/p][/quote]Daffy, I'm touched! (And I'm a 'she') CJH
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6:08pm Fri 8 Mar 13

pronstar says...

From the headline I thought this was going to be some rallying cry by WN to form a vigilante group and storm the Hive, ejecting all the troublesome teens whilst simultaneously providing reassurance to families with young children.

You can imagine my disappointment when the 'story' appeared to be nothing more than a collection of quotes from another story.

The headline promised so much but delivered very little.
From the headline I thought this was going to be some rallying cry by WN to form a vigilante group and storm the Hive, ejecting all the troublesome teens whilst simultaneously providing reassurance to families with young children. You can imagine my disappointment when the 'story' appeared to be nothing more than a collection of quotes from another story. The headline promised so much but delivered very little. pronstar
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9:22pm Fri 8 Mar 13

goodygoody says...

I wish the Silence notices still appeared in the library. Everyone talked in hushed whispers and if you accidently knocked a chair it would sound like an explosion and the looks you had from the librarians turned you to stone (if only). They were places of peace and tranquility in this very noisy city where you could browse at leisure. The childrens section was through a door that was closed off from the adult library. Now it's like Bedlam.
I wish the Silence notices still appeared in the library. Everyone talked in hushed whispers and if you accidently knocked a chair it would sound like an explosion and the looks you had from the librarians turned you to stone (if only). They were places of peace and tranquility in this very noisy city where you could browse at leisure. The childrens section was through a door that was closed off from the adult library. Now it's like Bedlam. goodygoody
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10:56pm Fri 8 Mar 13

Kate84 says...

I have only been there once there was a teenager trying to kick the window in. Nobody did a thing to try and stop him.
I have only been there once there was a teenager trying to kick the window in. Nobody did a thing to try and stop him. Kate84
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1:34am Sat 9 Mar 13

chrism says...

Keep it coming - if you lot write enough comments, WN might be able to make another article out of it. Who's volunteering to do the arms folded, glum expression photo?
Keep it coming - if you lot write enough comments, WN might be able to make another article out of it. Who's volunteering to do the arms folded, glum expression photo? chrism
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12:25pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Worcestershire Youth Cabinet says...

We would like to share some of the comments that come directly from the young people that use the Hive. They were asked what they thought when they saw the article (Teenagers Drive Families from the Hive)

" We increase business, we make the Hive alive"

"we're not all the same"

"people that are doing things wrong get kicked out anyway, if we were all being annoying we would get kicked out. but we don't"

"Sad, because there is nowhere else to go"

" If i couldn't go to the hive I would be walking around town"

" We should have stricter rules about adults coming downstairs" (into the youth area)

"Its a very naive thing to say, considering you clearly haven't taken things into account like the lack of places to go and onions of us and staff at the Hive. May I also remind you that the term 'teenagers' relates to a very large group of people and saying that we are all the same would be like doing the same to adults."

"sad that opinions of us are bad"

"Upset"

"If i couldn't go to the Hive I would be at home with no social life"

"It really annoys me that teenagers are stereotyped"
We would like to share some of the comments that come directly from the young people that use the Hive. They were asked what they thought when they saw the article (Teenagers Drive Families from the Hive) " We increase business, we make the Hive alive" "we're not all the same" "people that are doing things wrong get kicked out anyway, if we were all being annoying we would get kicked out. but we don't" "Sad, because there is nowhere else to go" " If i couldn't go to the hive I would be walking around town" " We should have stricter rules about adults coming downstairs" (into the youth area) "Its a very naive thing to say, considering you clearly haven't taken things into account like the lack of places to go and onions of us and staff at the Hive. May I also remind you that the term 'teenagers' relates to a very large group of people and saying that we are all the same would be like doing the same to adults." "sad that opinions of us are bad" "Upset" "If i couldn't go to the Hive I would be at home with no social life" "It really annoys me that teenagers are stereotyped" Worcestershire Youth Cabinet
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11:16pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Countyconcilemployee says...

kjjackson wrote:
i am a student at the university and let me say that i know for a fact that over half of the students opposed the integration of our campus library and the city library based upon the assumption that this amongst other things would happen. i am currently undertaking my undergraduate dissertation and as if it wasnt hard enough without having to deal with the issue of not having a decent working environment. the kids/young people in the hive are rude, disrespectful and use language that i wouldn't have dare use when i was younger nor would i have spoken to a adult they way they do. i can full understand why older people and families avoid using the hive during busy times. there have also been times where i have been prevent from accessing certain areas of the hive because it was "full" this was the group study area on the ground floor of the hive specifially allocated for "group study" and yet i couldnt access it. im sorry but the council and hive workers need to seriously consider their motives because i feel it is having a detrimental affect on student learning in the one place we are supposed to be able to use
Anyone who has attended any course from A Levels upwards would tell the County Council this was an absurd idea, but of course the council would have to break its mould to ask the tax payers what they thought.
[quote][p][bold]kjjackson[/bold] wrote: i am a student at the university and let me say that i know for a fact that over half of the students opposed the integration of our campus library and the city library based upon the assumption that this amongst other things would happen. i am currently undertaking my undergraduate dissertation and as if it wasnt hard enough without having to deal with the issue of not having a decent working environment. the kids/young people in the hive are rude, disrespectful and use language that i wouldn't have dare use when i was younger nor would i have spoken to a adult they way they do. i can full understand why older people and families avoid using the hive during busy times. there have also been times where i have been prevent from accessing certain areas of the hive because it was "full" this was the group study area on the ground floor of the hive specifially allocated for "group study" and yet i couldnt access it. im sorry but the council and hive workers need to seriously consider their motives because i feel it is having a detrimental affect on student learning in the one place we are supposed to be able to use[/p][/quote]Anyone who has attended any course from A Levels upwards would tell the County Council this was an absurd idea, but of course the council would have to break its mould to ask the tax payers what they thought. Countyconcilemployee
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1:14pm Thu 14 Mar 13

batchelorboy says...

Worcestershire Youth Cabinet wrote:
We would like to share some of the comments that come directly from the young people that use the Hive. They were asked what they thought when they saw the article (Teenagers Drive Families from the Hive)

" We increase business, we make the Hive alive"

"we're not all the same"

"people that are doing things wrong get kicked out anyway, if we were all being annoying we would get kicked out. but we don't"

"Sad, because there is nowhere else to go"

" If i couldn't go to the hive I would be walking around town"

" We should have stricter rules about adults coming downstairs" (into the youth area)

"Its a very naive thing to say, considering you clearly haven't taken things into account like the lack of places to go and onions of us and staff at the Hive. May I also remind you that the term 'teenagers' relates to a very large group of people and saying that we are all the same would be like doing the same to adults."

"sad that opinions of us are bad"

"Upset"

"If i couldn't go to the Hive I would be at home with no social life"

"It really annoys me that teenagers are stereotyped"
So the Hive is seen as a social club to said 'younger people of various ages'.

The Hive is not a social club, or wasn't meant to be anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Worcestershire Youth Cabinet[/bold] wrote: We would like to share some of the comments that come directly from the young people that use the Hive. They were asked what they thought when they saw the article (Teenagers Drive Families from the Hive) " We increase business, we make the Hive alive" "we're not all the same" "people that are doing things wrong get kicked out anyway, if we were all being annoying we would get kicked out. but we don't" "Sad, because there is nowhere else to go" " If i couldn't go to the hive I would be walking around town" " We should have stricter rules about adults coming downstairs" (into the youth area) "Its a very naive thing to say, considering you clearly haven't taken things into account like the lack of places to go and onions of us and staff at the Hive. May I also remind you that the term 'teenagers' relates to a very large group of people and saying that we are all the same would be like doing the same to adults." "sad that opinions of us are bad" "Upset" "If i couldn't go to the Hive I would be at home with no social life" "It really annoys me that teenagers are stereotyped"[/p][/quote]So the Hive is seen as a social club to said 'younger people of various ages'. The Hive is not a social club, or wasn't meant to be anyway. batchelorboy
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2:30pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Worcestershire Youth Cabinet says...

We were not suggesting that it was a social club, merely giving young people the chance to have their say on the issue since no one thought to ask them.
We were not suggesting that it was a social club, merely giving young people the chance to have their say on the issue since no one thought to ask them. Worcestershire Youth Cabinet
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2:55pm Thu 14 Mar 13

CJH says...

Worcestershire Youth Cabinet wrote:
We were not suggesting that it was a social club, merely giving young people the chance to have their say on the issue since no one thought to ask them.
Fortunately being part of the Youth Cabinet probably means that you are not the type of teenager who causes trouble. And no, you shouldn't be held responsible for that minority which does. It is not just teenagers anyway, it's parents who allow young children and babies to make a noise, and there are plenty of older people who should know better, but obviously don't. The only answer is for the staff to make it clear what behaviour is acceptable and what will happen if people don't abide by that. BUT, they have to be given the power to do it. Unfortunately the namby pamby flipping council are afraid of their own shadows so they are just making it worse by not taking action.
[quote][p][bold]Worcestershire Youth Cabinet[/bold] wrote: We were not suggesting that it was a social club, merely giving young people the chance to have their say on the issue since no one thought to ask them.[/p][/quote]Fortunately being part of the Youth Cabinet probably means that you are not the type of teenager who causes trouble. And no, you shouldn't be held responsible for that minority which does. It is not just teenagers anyway, it's parents who allow young children and babies to make a noise, and there are plenty of older people who should know better, but obviously don't. The only answer is for the staff to make it clear what behaviour is acceptable and what will happen if people don't abide by that. BUT, they have to be given the power to do it. Unfortunately the namby pamby flipping council are afraid of their own shadows so they are just making it worse by not taking action. CJH
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12:49pm Fri 15 Mar 13

batchelorboy says...

Worcestershire Youth Cabinet wrote:
We were not suggesting that it was a social club, merely giving young people the chance to have their say on the issue since no one thought to ask them.
I didn't say you were suggesting anything. The quotes you have provided clearly show that those making the quotes see the Hive as a hangout.

It's common for younger people who have no excuse for their bad behaviour to simply blame not 'having anywhere else to go'. This is even the excuse used for those youngsters involved in the huge riots not so long back!

Those youngsters who have quoted they don't have anywhere else to go are missing the point. The complaint is about noise. The Hive is not somewhere to hang out if you can't control your own actions (volume). Nobody would care if the typical 'chav' hung around the Hive, as long as they didn't make a noise.
[quote][p][bold]Worcestershire Youth Cabinet[/bold] wrote: We were not suggesting that it was a social club, merely giving young people the chance to have their say on the issue since no one thought to ask them.[/p][/quote]I didn't say you were suggesting anything. The quotes you have provided clearly show that those making the quotes see the Hive as a hangout. It's common for younger people who have no excuse for their bad behaviour to simply blame not 'having anywhere else to go'. This is even the excuse used for those youngsters involved in the huge riots not so long back! Those youngsters who have quoted they don't have anywhere else to go are missing the point. The complaint is about noise. The Hive is not somewhere to hang out if you can't control your own actions (volume). Nobody would care if the typical 'chav' hung around the Hive, as long as they didn't make a noise. batchelorboy
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3:43pm Fri 15 Mar 13

Worcestershire Youth Cabinet says...

The Hive is meant to be a community library. How are we meant to feel like part of the community when we just get pushed out for being a bit loud?
We aren't the only noisy ones, as other people have said, for example people have said that there are small children running around screaming, but you don't see a news article about "unruly children" where you should "blame the parents" for their behaviour.
Can we just reiterate what young people who use the hive said: "we're not all the same" and "people that are doing things wrong get kicked out anyway, if we were all being annoying we would get kicked out. but we don't"
The Hive is meant to be a community library. How are we meant to feel like part of the community when we just get pushed out for being a bit loud? We aren't the only noisy ones, as other people have said, for example people have said that there are small children running around screaming, but you don't see a news article about "unruly children" where you should "blame the parents" for their behaviour. Can we just reiterate what young people who use the hive said: "we're not all the same" and "people that are doing things wrong get kicked out anyway, if we were all being annoying we would get kicked out. but we don't" Worcestershire Youth Cabinet
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4:43pm Mon 18 Mar 13

klh123 says...

I understand that the Hive is a joint community and university library, but as a university student I feel like I need to remind some people of a few things.

Universally, a library is known as somewhere that is supposed to be quiet. It is a place where people can go to use facilities, read/borrow books, do work, etc. The idea of having an integrated library is a great one, but the procedures following this integration leave a lot to be desired.

When I go to the Hive I go to do work. I could stay at home but obviously don't always have the resources, ie books. Without fail, every time I have gone to the library it has been incredibly noisy and I find it difficult to do work. I shouldn't HAVE to go to the silent area on level 4 just to get some quiet.

It is nice that young people feel like they can go to the Hive, but when that is to the detriment of everyone else then actually, it's not fair on everyone else. The fact that the Worcestershire Youth Council have pointed out that some youths have said they would have "no social life".... well maybe that is a clear indication that something needs to be done for them? A place needs to be created where they can be as noisy as they like, and it's okay because it's THEIR space. Hanging out at the library is all fine and well until there are big groups of them running about, hogging computers, generally being a bit of a nuisance.

I clearly remember when I went to the library just before Christmas, and there was a small group sitting at computers but only using one of the pc's. I asked if she would mind letting me use it if she wasn't and she said yes, which was great until she took the chair with her. Um, what was I supposed to sit on exactly?

I also have an issue with a lack of student designated areas. Sometimes it's VERY difficult actually getting a computer when there are members of the public playing games or sitting on Facebook/Twitter, etc. While they have just as much right to use the facilities, we students do too and we shouldn't have to suffer just because some groups of people are viewing the Hive as a social club. It's not, it's a library, so treat it that way.

I can only dread to imagine what it is going to be like next year when I have to complete my undergraduate independent study.
I understand that the Hive is a joint community and university library, but as a university student I feel like I need to remind some people of a few things. Universally, a library is known as somewhere that is supposed to be quiet. It is a place where people can go to use facilities, read/borrow books, do work, etc. The idea of having an integrated library is a great one, but the procedures following this integration leave a lot to be desired. When I go to the Hive I go to do work. I could stay at home but obviously don't always have the resources, ie books. Without fail, every time I have gone to the library it has been incredibly noisy and I find it difficult to do work. I shouldn't HAVE to go to the silent area on level 4 just to get some quiet. It is nice that young people feel like they can go to the Hive, but when that is to the detriment of everyone else then actually, it's not fair on everyone else. The fact that the Worcestershire Youth Council have pointed out that some youths have said they would have "no social life".... well maybe that is a clear indication that something needs to be done for them? A place needs to be created where they can be as noisy as they like, and it's okay because it's THEIR space. Hanging out at the library is all fine and well until there are big groups of them running about, hogging computers, generally being a bit of a nuisance. I clearly remember when I went to the library just before Christmas, and there was a small group sitting at computers but only using one of the pc's. I asked if she would mind letting me use it if she wasn't and she said yes, which was great until she took the chair with her. Um, what was I supposed to sit on exactly? I also have an issue with a lack of student designated areas. Sometimes it's VERY difficult actually getting a computer when there are members of the public playing games or sitting on Facebook/Twitter, etc. While they have just as much right to use the facilities, we students do too and we shouldn't have to suffer just because some groups of people are viewing the Hive as a social club. It's not, it's a library, so treat it that way. I can only dread to imagine what it is going to be like next year when I have to complete my undergraduate independent study. klh123
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