Drivers to benefit as parking signs go up

GOING UP: One of the new electronic signs is installed  in Hylton Road to direct  drivers to available parking spaces in Worcester city centre.

GOING UP: One of the new electronic signs is installed in Hylton Road to direct drivers to available parking spaces in Worcester city centre.

First published in News

NEW electronic parking signs are pointing drivers the right way at busy locations across Worcester.

Worcestershire County Council is aiming to ease congestion by operating the signs – which shows the available spaces at city car parks – on key routes.

The signs are placed in Upper Tything, Bath Road, Tallow Hill, Tolladine Road, opposite Malvern Tyres in Rainbow Hill, London Road, Tybridge Street and Hylton Road.

A spokesman said: “This Worcester transport strategy project will provide real-time information about parking space availability for some of the busier city centre car parks, on the main routes into the city.

“The system will help visitors, businesses and residents find a parking space more quickly, saving time and frustration, as well as helping to reduce congestion on our busy city centre roads.”

The measure, first revealed in the Worcester News last September, follows concern many motorists spend too long hunting down spaces, especially on weekends.

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4:39pm Sat 20 Apr 13

peacock98 says...

That is so not true all the sign on Tolladine road only says that the car parks are open which we already know, it doesn't say how many spaces they have got, so they are really a waste of money.
That is so not true all the sign on Tolladine road only says that the car parks are open which we already know, it doesn't say how many spaces they have got, so they are really a waste of money. peacock98
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4:58pm Sat 20 Apr 13

moonpig says...

In the 23 years that I have lived in Worcester I have never once failed to find a parking space. These signs are really ugly and unnecessary, they have spent a load of time and money trying to improve the riverside along Hylton Road and then they stick an eyesore like this alongside.
In the 23 years that I have lived in Worcester I have never once failed to find a parking space. These signs are really ugly and unnecessary, they have spent a load of time and money trying to improve the riverside along Hylton Road and then they stick an eyesore like this alongside. moonpig
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5:56pm Sat 20 Apr 13

truth must out says...

Brilliant.....the one in Barbourne is partially obscured by trees!!!!
Brilliant.....the one in Barbourne is partially obscured by trees!!!! truth must out
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6:04pm Sat 20 Apr 13

CJH says...

If you're a stranger to Worcester how do you know where the carparks are just by the names on the sign? Or if they're close to where you want to be?
If you're a stranger to Worcester how do you know where the carparks are just by the names on the sign? Or if they're close to where you want to be? CJH
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9:51pm Sat 20 Apr 13

goodygoody says...

I wondered how long it would be before people started complaining!
I wondered how long it would be before people started complaining! goodygoody
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9:55pm Sat 20 Apr 13

BrownSauce says...

goodygoody wrote:
I wondered how long it would be before people started complaining!
When our councillors are just walking disaster zones, it only takes a few minutes for those with brains to point out the incompetence of their latest disasters.

I am just amazed that Bodger is not behind this, or was it part of his legacy to whoever followed him?
[quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: I wondered how long it would be before people started complaining![/p][/quote]When our councillors are just walking disaster zones, it only takes a few minutes for those with brains to point out the incompetence of their latest disasters. I am just amazed that Bodger is not behind this, or was it part of his legacy to whoever followed him? BrownSauce
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11:24am Sun 21 Apr 13

PaulMeUnder says...

Its great for my parents-in-law who live off Bath Road who now have one of these beautiful signs as their principle view from their flat now.

I agree, what good are they if there are no named signs to the parking areas shown?
Its great for my parents-in-law who live off Bath Road who now have one of these beautiful signs as their principle view from their flat now. I agree, what good are they if there are no named signs to the parking areas shown? PaulMeUnder
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6:40pm Sun 21 Apr 13

Jabbadad says...

You could of course put too much information on a sign that is suposedly to be safely glanced at as you drive past. But yes good information for locals, but we can't expect our councillors to think outside the City, since they are a total cop-out for most things that go on within the City limits, apart from not treating our pensioners with a Duty Of Care.
You could of course put too much information on a sign that is suposedly to be safely glanced at as you drive past. But yes good information for locals, but we can't expect our councillors to think outside the City, since they are a total cop-out for most things that go on within the City limits, apart from not treating our pensioners with a Duty Of Care. Jabbadad
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6:43pm Sun 21 Apr 13

Jabbadad says...

And yes they need to address the signs being obscured by the trees etc as Rainbow Hill.
And yes they need to address the signs being obscured by the trees etc as Rainbow Hill. Jabbadad
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6:51pm Sun 21 Apr 13

Hwicce says...

If we're talking about being useful for drivers it would be good to list the height restrictions on these signs. Some of these car parks have barriers that wouldn't allow my car in, but you've no idea until you get to the car park that there is any height restrictions.
If we're talking about being useful for drivers it would be good to list the height restrictions on these signs. Some of these car parks have barriers that wouldn't allow my car in, but you've no idea until you get to the car park that there is any height restrictions. Hwicce
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7:08pm Sun 21 Apr 13

Letterman says...

This is yet another example of an ill-conceived scheme from the council. Firstly, the signs only tell you if the car park is open or not. Secondly, the signs are so far away from the city centre that by the time you get to the car park, it may be closed, assuming you know where the car park is. And thirdly, as CJH says, if you're a stranger to Worcester, you don't know where these car parks and by the time you've seen the other direction signs in the city centre, you've forgotten the names of the car park being advertised on these new signs. It seems most council staff don't have any common sense or brains.
This is yet another example of an ill-conceived scheme from the council. Firstly, the signs only tell you if the car park is open or not. Secondly, the signs are so far away from the city centre that by the time you get to the car park, it may be closed, assuming you know where the car park is. And thirdly, as CJH says, if you're a stranger to Worcester, you don't know where these car parks and by the time you've seen the other direction signs in the city centre, you've forgotten the names of the car park being advertised on these new signs. It seems most council staff don't have any common sense or brains. Letterman
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7:23pm Sun 21 Apr 13

Jabbadad says...

The point mentioned about height restrictions is very important to Disabled high top vehicles which carry disabled passengers and scooters. Not many carparks provide the disabled parking which enables the rear loading access room for the ramps required. And most have height restrictions.
Worcester City Forum for Older People have had this problem brought to them and are colating the evidence.
The point mentioned about height restrictions is very important to Disabled high top vehicles which carry disabled passengers and scooters. Not many carparks provide the disabled parking which enables the rear loading access room for the ramps required. And most have height restrictions. Worcester City Forum for Older People have had this problem brought to them and are colating the evidence. Jabbadad
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10:50pm Sun 21 Apr 13

DEMRICS says...

Letterman wrote:
This is yet another example of an ill-conceived scheme from the council. Firstly, the signs only tell you if the car park is open or not. Secondly, the signs are so far away from the city centre that by the time you get to the car park, it may be closed, assuming you know where the car park is. And thirdly, as CJH says, if you're a stranger to Worcester, you don't know where these car parks and by the time you've seen the other direction signs in the city centre, you've forgotten the names of the car park being advertised on these new signs. It seems most council staff don't have any common sense or brains.
Very much so Letterman. You mention the council, but I suspect the signs have emanated from their highways department, which would definitely confirm an utter lack of realism and intelligence. Intellect is devoid from this department. Who's great idea was this, Mr Blake, Mr Fraser, Mr Fullee or Mr Comerford's?
[quote][p][bold]Letterman[/bold] wrote: This is yet another example of an ill-conceived scheme from the council. Firstly, the signs only tell you if the car park is open or not. Secondly, the signs are so far away from the city centre that by the time you get to the car park, it may be closed, assuming you know where the car park is. And thirdly, as CJH says, if you're a stranger to Worcester, you don't know where these car parks and by the time you've seen the other direction signs in the city centre, you've forgotten the names of the car park being advertised on these new signs. It seems most council staff don't have any common sense or brains.[/p][/quote]Very much so Letterman. You mention the council, but I suspect the signs have emanated from their highways department, which would definitely confirm an utter lack of realism and intelligence. Intellect is devoid from this department. Who's great idea was this, Mr Blake, Mr Fraser, Mr Fullee or Mr Comerford's? DEMRICS
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10:50pm Sun 21 Apr 13

DEMRICS says...

Letterman wrote:
This is yet another example of an ill-conceived scheme from the council. Firstly, the signs only tell you if the car park is open or not. Secondly, the signs are so far away from the city centre that by the time you get to the car park, it may be closed, assuming you know where the car park is. And thirdly, as CJH says, if you're a stranger to Worcester, you don't know where these car parks and by the time you've seen the other direction signs in the city centre, you've forgotten the names of the car park being advertised on these new signs. It seems most council staff don't have any common sense or brains.
Very much so Letterman. You mention the council, but I suspect the signs have emanated from their highways department, which would definitely confirm an utter lack of realism and intelligence. Intellect is devoid from this department. Who's great idea was this, Mr Blake, Mr Fraser, Mr Fullee or Mr Comerford's?
[quote][p][bold]Letterman[/bold] wrote: This is yet another example of an ill-conceived scheme from the council. Firstly, the signs only tell you if the car park is open or not. Secondly, the signs are so far away from the city centre that by the time you get to the car park, it may be closed, assuming you know where the car park is. And thirdly, as CJH says, if you're a stranger to Worcester, you don't know where these car parks and by the time you've seen the other direction signs in the city centre, you've forgotten the names of the car park being advertised on these new signs. It seems most council staff don't have any common sense or brains.[/p][/quote]Very much so Letterman. You mention the council, but I suspect the signs have emanated from their highways department, which would definitely confirm an utter lack of realism and intelligence. Intellect is devoid from this department. Who's great idea was this, Mr Blake, Mr Fraser, Mr Fullee or Mr Comerford's? DEMRICS
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8:21am Mon 22 Apr 13

jb says...

Just hope they've prepared temporary signs to explain why some car parks may close. "Closed due to illegally parked gypsy vehicles"
Just hope they've prepared temporary signs to explain why some car parks may close. "Closed due to illegally parked gypsy vehicles" jb
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10:20am Mon 22 Apr 13

More Tea Vicar says...

It is a great idea in principle, but the questions raised are valid.

Without an indication as to whether space is available, the signs are of limited use.

Without adequate signposting for out-of-towners, even less so.

So in effect, the signs in their current format seem virtually useless.

Which brings us to the main question. How much did they cost, and who signed off on them? Seems odd that a very few WN readers, presumably reading and posting between doing other things on a Monday morning, have spotted issues the Council seems not to have noticed.
It is a great idea in principle, but the questions raised are valid. Without an indication as to whether space is available, the signs are of limited use. Without adequate signposting for out-of-towners, even less so. So in effect, the signs in their current format seem virtually useless. Which brings us to the main question. How much did they cost, and who signed off on them? Seems odd that a very few WN readers, presumably reading and posting between doing other things on a Monday morning, have spotted issues the Council seems not to have noticed. More Tea Vicar
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10:25am Mon 22 Apr 13

CJH says...

It's just more shiny baubles and another box to tick in the 'look how clever we are' list. Looks good on the cv.
It's just more shiny baubles and another box to tick in the 'look how clever we are' list. Looks good on the cv. CJH
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11:34am Mon 22 Apr 13

More Tea Vicar says...

This looks like typical Council management. I bet they've spent a fortune on these signs, and not thought of the basics.
This looks like typical Council management. I bet they've spent a fortune on these signs, and not thought of the basics. More Tea Vicar
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3:47pm Mon 22 Apr 13

norman73 says...

good news - for the last 2 weeks all car parks are open.

bad news - only 40places left in asda car park today.

i wonder why?
good news - for the last 2 weeks all car parks are open. bad news - only 40places left in asda car park today. i wonder why? norman73
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5:04pm Mon 22 Apr 13

Letterman says...

More Tea Vicar wrote:
This looks like typical Council management. I bet they've spent a fortune on these signs, and not thought of the basics.
The problem is that when the council think, it's on an entirely different level to the rest of us, and I don't mean for the better either. Their continuing idiocy beggars belief!
[quote][p][bold]More Tea Vicar[/bold] wrote: This looks like typical Council management. I bet they've spent a fortune on these signs, and not thought of the basics.[/p][/quote]The problem is that when the council think, it's on an entirely different level to the rest of us, and I don't mean for the better either. Their continuing idiocy beggars belief! Letterman
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5:28pm Mon 22 Apr 13

CJH says...

Just drove from the Royal and through town coming back to St Peters. Saw the sign in Tallow Hill, and as I said previously there was absolutely no clue as to where to go in the city if you were a stranger. I'm not sure I knew either, and I've lived in Worcester my entire life. Got to the Whittington island and guess what! Another accident off the slip road, drivers exchanging details. Highways would have been better spending the money on fixing this travesty before creating another one.
Just drove from the Royal and through town coming back to St Peters. Saw the sign in Tallow Hill, and as I said previously there was absolutely no clue as to where to go in the city if you were a stranger. I'm not sure I knew either, and I've lived in Worcester my entire life. Got to the Whittington island and guess what! Another accident off the slip road, drivers exchanging details. Highways would have been better spending the money on fixing this travesty before creating another one. CJH
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8:54pm Mon 22 Apr 13

Redhillman says...

DEMRICS wrote:
Letterman wrote:
This is yet another example of an ill-conceived scheme from the council. Firstly, the signs only tell you if the car park is open or not. Secondly, the signs are so far away from the city centre that by the time you get to the car park, it may be closed, assuming you know where the car park is. And thirdly, as CJH says, if you're a stranger to Worcester, you don't know where these car parks and by the time you've seen the other direction signs in the city centre, you've forgotten the names of the car park being advertised on these new signs. It seems most council staff don't have any common sense or brains.
Very much so Letterman. You mention the council, but I suspect the signs have emanated from their highways department, which would definitely confirm an utter lack of realism and intelligence. Intellect is devoid from this department. Who's great idea was this, Mr Blake, Mr Fraser, Mr Fullee or Mr Comerford's?
Oh dear, I've dealt with Mr Comerford, so if these signs are his doing, I'm not surprised they've been ill conceived. I have little faith in him or the highways department.
[quote][p][bold]DEMRICS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letterman[/bold] wrote: This is yet another example of an ill-conceived scheme from the council. Firstly, the signs only tell you if the car park is open or not. Secondly, the signs are so far away from the city centre that by the time you get to the car park, it may be closed, assuming you know where the car park is. And thirdly, as CJH says, if you're a stranger to Worcester, you don't know where these car parks and by the time you've seen the other direction signs in the city centre, you've forgotten the names of the car park being advertised on these new signs. It seems most council staff don't have any common sense or brains.[/p][/quote]Very much so Letterman. You mention the council, but I suspect the signs have emanated from their highways department, which would definitely confirm an utter lack of realism and intelligence. Intellect is devoid from this department. Who's great idea was this, Mr Blake, Mr Fraser, Mr Fullee or Mr Comerford's?[/p][/quote]Oh dear, I've dealt with Mr Comerford, so if these signs are his doing, I'm not surprised they've been ill conceived. I have little faith in him or the highways department. Redhillman
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9:10pm Mon 22 Apr 13

More Tea Vicar says...

Looking at the Whittington junction, the Newtown and Bromyard Road mess ups and the ongoing pothole issue, and now this, it seems there are serious management issues.
Looking at the Whittington junction, the Newtown and Bromyard Road mess ups and the ongoing pothole issue, and now this, it seems there are serious management issues. More Tea Vicar
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2:03pm Wed 24 Apr 13

ushmush83 says...

Just saw one of these signs for the first time, and it is all too true that they are completely and utterly useless.
Just saw one of these signs for the first time, and it is all too true that they are completely and utterly useless. ushmush83
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6:56pm Wed 24 Apr 13

Keith B says...

What an absolute waste of money - - OUR MONEY. An Eyesore too.

But ...Letterman and DEMIRICS and others, while agreeing with your sentiments, don't blame the hard working (yes they really are) Council staff who carry out the instructions of their masters. This could not have happened without our Councillors putting their hands up and voting the expenditure.

It's election time - it's the time when you have the power, instead of just whinging in these columns.

VOTE OUT EVERY SINGLE SITTING COUNCILLOR, EVEN IF THEY ARE FROM THE PARTY YOU SUPPORT, AND LETS START FROM SCRATCH WITH A NEW BUNCH OF FRESH FACES, WITH FRESH IDEAS.

Nothing happens without the Councillors putting their hands in the air and voting the money.

Any chance that in the next council the Worcester News will publish all the votes taken at County Hall, naming names of who voted for what - and the financial impact of each vote.

Or are they just too scared to do so in case a huge chunk of advertising revenue is withdrawn.
What an absolute waste of money - - OUR MONEY. An Eyesore too. But ...Letterman and DEMIRICS and others, while agreeing with your sentiments, don't blame the hard working (yes they really are) Council staff who carry out the instructions of their masters. This could not have happened without our Councillors putting their hands up and voting the expenditure. It's election time - it's the time when you have the power, instead of just whinging in these columns. VOTE OUT EVERY SINGLE SITTING COUNCILLOR, EVEN IF THEY ARE FROM THE PARTY YOU SUPPORT, AND LETS START FROM SCRATCH WITH A NEW BUNCH OF FRESH FACES, WITH FRESH IDEAS. Nothing happens without the Councillors putting their hands in the air and voting the money. Any chance that in the next council the Worcester News will publish all the votes taken at County Hall, naming names of who voted for what - and the financial impact of each vote. Or are they just too scared to do so in case a huge chunk of advertising revenue is withdrawn. Keith B
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9:11pm Wed 24 Apr 13

More Tea Vicar says...

Keith B wrote:
What an absolute waste of money - - OUR MONEY. An Eyesore too.

But ...Letterman and DEMIRICS and others, while agreeing with your sentiments, don't blame the hard working (yes they really are) Council staff who carry out the instructions of their masters. This could not have happened without our Councillors putting their hands up and voting the expenditure.

It's election time - it's the time when you have the power, instead of just whinging in these columns.

VOTE OUT EVERY SINGLE SITTING COUNCILLOR, EVEN IF THEY ARE FROM THE PARTY YOU SUPPORT, AND LETS START FROM SCRATCH WITH A NEW BUNCH OF FRESH FACES, WITH FRESH IDEAS.

Nothing happens without the Councillors putting their hands in the air and voting the money.

Any chance that in the next council the Worcester News will publish all the votes taken at County Hall, naming names of who voted for what - and the financial impact of each vote.

Or are they just too scared to do so in case a huge chunk of advertising revenue is withdrawn.
I'm not blaming the workmen. But managers and councillors seem to share responsibility.

I think we should be told how much this cost, which managers were involved and which councillors voted it through.
[quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: What an absolute waste of money - - OUR MONEY. An Eyesore too. But ...Letterman and DEMIRICS and others, while agreeing with your sentiments, don't blame the hard working (yes they really are) Council staff who carry out the instructions of their masters. This could not have happened without our Councillors putting their hands up and voting the expenditure. It's election time - it's the time when you have the power, instead of just whinging in these columns. VOTE OUT EVERY SINGLE SITTING COUNCILLOR, EVEN IF THEY ARE FROM THE PARTY YOU SUPPORT, AND LETS START FROM SCRATCH WITH A NEW BUNCH OF FRESH FACES, WITH FRESH IDEAS. Nothing happens without the Councillors putting their hands in the air and voting the money. Any chance that in the next council the Worcester News will publish all the votes taken at County Hall, naming names of who voted for what - and the financial impact of each vote. Or are they just too scared to do so in case a huge chunk of advertising revenue is withdrawn.[/p][/quote]I'm not blaming the workmen. But managers and councillors seem to share responsibility. I think we should be told how much this cost, which managers were involved and which councillors voted it through. More Tea Vicar
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9:36pm Wed 24 Apr 13

Keith B says...

I agree with being told how much it cost but in the end the managers can only enact the policy.

The policy has to be both agreed and the finance authorised by Councillors who are out direct representatives acting on our behalf. If we, the voters, are so inept as to elect idiots, it is ultimately our fault.

So I'm sorry but if you want to blame someone, ultimately it's you, me and every other person with a right to vote - particularly those who didn't use it.

So lets find out who was the proposer and seconder on this project and make sure they don't get back in on May 3rd.
I agree with being told how much it cost but in the end the managers can only enact the policy. The policy has to be both agreed and the finance authorised by Councillors who are out direct representatives acting on our behalf. If we, the voters, are so inept as to elect idiots, it is ultimately our fault. So I'm sorry but if you want to blame someone, ultimately it's you, me and every other person with a right to vote - particularly those who didn't use it. So lets find out who was the proposer and seconder on this project and make sure they don't get back in on May 3rd. Keith B
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11:36pm Wed 24 Apr 13

Jabbadad says...

I think the news article says that the signs will indicate how many spaces are still available and this of course will be a great help to motorists. Since the signs do not just say Open or Closed.
As to where are they? it would be a simple addittion to have put the Post Code next to the carpark name so that visitors with a Sat Nav could find them easily. Just a small tin of black paint then?
I think the news article says that the signs will indicate how many spaces are still available and this of course will be a great help to motorists. Since the signs do not just say Open or Closed. As to where are they? it would be a simple addittion to have put the Post Code next to the carpark name so that visitors with a Sat Nav could find them easily. Just a small tin of black paint then? Jabbadad
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11:37pm Wed 24 Apr 13

CJH says...

Keith B wrote:
I agree with being told how much it cost but in the end the managers can only enact the policy.

The policy has to be both agreed and the finance authorised by Councillors who are out direct representatives acting on our behalf. If we, the voters, are so inept as to elect idiots, it is ultimately our fault.

So I'm sorry but if you want to blame someone, ultimately it's you, me and every other person with a right to vote - particularly those who didn't use it.

So lets find out who was the proposer and seconder on this project and make sure they don't get back in on May 3rd.
I've been blaming the Bedwardine voters for some time for keeping Prodger in power. They could have stopped all this years ago, but no, they had to keep voting for him. So all you Tories in Bedwardine - you don't HAVE to vote for him just because you've always done that. Vote for someone who can make a difference to all of us.
[quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: I agree with being told how much it cost but in the end the managers can only enact the policy. The policy has to be both agreed and the finance authorised by Councillors who are out direct representatives acting on our behalf. If we, the voters, are so inept as to elect idiots, it is ultimately our fault. So I'm sorry but if you want to blame someone, ultimately it's you, me and every other person with a right to vote - particularly those who didn't use it. So lets find out who was the proposer and seconder on this project and make sure they don't get back in on May 3rd.[/p][/quote]I've been blaming the Bedwardine voters for some time for keeping Prodger in power. They could have stopped all this years ago, but no, they had to keep voting for him. So all you Tories in Bedwardine - you don't HAVE to vote for him just because you've always done that. Vote for someone who can make a difference to all of us. CJH
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11:42pm Wed 24 Apr 13

CJH says...

Jabbadad wrote:
I think the news article says that the signs will indicate how many spaces are still available and this of course will be a great help to motorists. Since the signs do not just say Open or Closed.
As to where are they? it would be a simple addittion to have put the Post Code next to the carpark name so that visitors with a Sat Nav could find them easily. Just a small tin of black paint then?
Nope - the three I've passed this week just say 'open'. And use a small tin of black paint? You're a dreamer Jabba. Need a committee plus a consultant probably to change anything now.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: I think the news article says that the signs will indicate how many spaces are still available and this of course will be a great help to motorists. Since the signs do not just say Open or Closed. As to where are they? it would be a simple addittion to have put the Post Code next to the carpark name so that visitors with a Sat Nav could find them easily. Just a small tin of black paint then?[/p][/quote]Nope - the three I've passed this week just say 'open'. And use a small tin of black paint? You're a dreamer Jabba. Need a committee plus a consultant probably to change anything now. CJH
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11:47pm Wed 24 Apr 13

Jabbadad says...

Perhaps they are experiencing tech problems since I have noticed on Thursday three of the signs I past had numbers showing.
As to Post Codes I was being a little simplistic I suppose.
Perhaps they are experiencing tech problems since I have noticed on Thursday three of the signs I past had numbers showing. As to Post Codes I was being a little simplistic I suppose. Jabbadad
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9:11am Thu 25 Apr 13

More Tea Vicar says...

Keith B wrote:
I agree with being told how much it cost but in the end the managers can only enact the policy.

The policy has to be both agreed and the finance authorised by Councillors who are out direct representatives acting on our behalf. If we, the voters, are so inept as to elect idiots, it is ultimately our fault.

So I'm sorry but if you want to blame someone, ultimately it's you, me and every other person with a right to vote - particularly those who didn't use it.

So lets find out who was the proposer and seconder on this project and make sure they don't get back in on May 3rd.
I agree that councillors are responsible. We should be told which of them voted for this measure; it is striking that councillors could have voted for this, presumably after deliberation, and with advice, when a handful of WN readers were able to point out the problems within minutes of the story being published.

Without in any way excusing the councillors, I feel the managers can't be excused either. They are supposed to be the experts, and are paid well for that.

They can't be allowed the 'only following orders' defence. If they are worth a penny of their salaries, they should be giving councillors useful advice, and ensuring proper implementation of policies.

One of the key problems with local government is the way council management take big salaries, but teflon the responsibilities that would go with the money if they were on similar salaries in the private sector.

The councillors and the managers should be named...and shamed. Or at least invited to explain their actions.
[quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: I agree with being told how much it cost but in the end the managers can only enact the policy. The policy has to be both agreed and the finance authorised by Councillors who are out direct representatives acting on our behalf. If we, the voters, are so inept as to elect idiots, it is ultimately our fault. So I'm sorry but if you want to blame someone, ultimately it's you, me and every other person with a right to vote - particularly those who didn't use it. So lets find out who was the proposer and seconder on this project and make sure they don't get back in on May 3rd.[/p][/quote]I agree that councillors are responsible. We should be told which of them voted for this measure; it is striking that councillors could have voted for this, presumably after deliberation, and with advice, when a handful of WN readers were able to point out the problems within minutes of the story being published. Without in any way excusing the councillors, I feel the managers can't be excused either. They are supposed to be the experts, and are paid well for that. They can't be allowed the 'only following orders' defence. If they are worth a penny of their salaries, they should be giving councillors useful advice, and ensuring proper implementation of policies. One of the key problems with local government is the way council management take big salaries, but teflon the responsibilities that would go with the money if they were on similar salaries in the private sector. The councillors and the managers should be named...and shamed. Or at least invited to explain their actions. More Tea Vicar
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10:40am Thu 25 Apr 13

Jabbadad says...

One thing that hasn't been mentioned on this site is the traffic problems in Worcester City Centre which have multiplied with the arrival of ASDA and the continuing popularity of ALDI supermarkets, regularly there are traffic snarlups which then backup along other roads. So if in any way these signs help to inform traffic where they can quickly get to and park has to be an advantage. If the signs are in sinc with the other alterations on City Walls / Lowesmoor area of the City then perhaps they may well prove their worth?
One thing that hasn't been mentioned on this site is the traffic problems in Worcester City Centre which have multiplied with the arrival of ASDA and the continuing popularity of ALDI supermarkets, regularly there are traffic snarlups which then backup along other roads. So if in any way these signs help to inform traffic where they can quickly get to and park has to be an advantage. If the signs are in sinc with the other alterations on City Walls / Lowesmoor area of the City then perhaps they may well prove their worth? Jabbadad
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11:37am Thu 25 Apr 13

brooksider says...

How are these signs going to inform anyone of the actual number of empty parking spaces?

Other than the ticket machines, there are no methods of calculating this number.

I presume there will be sensors of some description installed, otherwise the figures will be guesswork.
How are these signs going to inform anyone of the actual number of empty parking spaces? Other than the ticket machines, there are no methods of calculating this number. I presume there will be sensors of some description installed, otherwise the figures will be guesswork. brooksider
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11:58am Thu 25 Apr 13

Keith B says...

CJH ... I agree totally about Bodger. Not a great Councillor (an opinion) and needs removing.

More tea .... Yes, I think you are right regarding managers who, unlike most Council staff are pretty well paid and are there to advise as well as act on instruction. And it is probably an officer that came to council with the idea in the first place .... but the Councillors are not there to be sweet-talked into unnecessary expenditure on fancy projects and it is ultimately their responsibility.

Maybe we who write here should all stand (too late now, I know) and then of course once WE are in power every decision made would be perfect :)
CJH ... I agree totally about Bodger. Not a great Councillor (an opinion) and needs removing. More tea .... Yes, I think you are right regarding managers who, unlike most Council staff are pretty well paid and are there to advise as well as act on instruction. And it is probably an officer that came to council with the idea in the first place .... but the Councillors are not there to be sweet-talked into unnecessary expenditure on fancy projects and it is ultimately their responsibility. Maybe we who write here should all stand (too late now, I know) and then of course once WE are in power every decision made would be perfect :) Keith B
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12:08pm Thu 25 Apr 13

More Tea Vicar says...

Keith B wrote:
CJH ... I agree totally about Bodger. Not a great Councillor (an opinion) and needs removing.

More tea .... Yes, I think you are right regarding managers who, unlike most Council staff are pretty well paid and are there to advise as well as act on instruction. And it is probably an officer that came to council with the idea in the first place .... but the Councillors are not there to be sweet-talked into unnecessary expenditure on fancy projects and it is ultimately their responsibility.

Maybe we who write here should all stand (too late now, I know) and then of course once WE are in power every decision made would be perfect :)
..too late for this time. But watch this space!

I really have a lot of understanding for people working under pressure and in the public eye who make mistakes. For example a police officer or firefighter who makes the 'wrong' decision under pressure.

I can even understand it when politicians 'get it wrong' over unforeseeable issues like, say, Syria or Libya.

But on something like this, where a decision was taken by people who were under no pressure at all, apart maybe from looking busy before May 2 and spinning the story to the press, I find it hard to sympathise with them.

As said, we all seemed to pick up the problems within minutes. What about the professionals and councillors. They can't have done this on the back of a fag packet over a pint at lunchtime, can they? Or....
[quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: CJH ... I agree totally about Bodger. Not a great Councillor (an opinion) and needs removing. More tea .... Yes, I think you are right regarding managers who, unlike most Council staff are pretty well paid and are there to advise as well as act on instruction. And it is probably an officer that came to council with the idea in the first place .... but the Councillors are not there to be sweet-talked into unnecessary expenditure on fancy projects and it is ultimately their responsibility. Maybe we who write here should all stand (too late now, I know) and then of course once WE are in power every decision made would be perfect :)[/p][/quote]..too late for this time. But watch this space! I really have a lot of understanding for people working under pressure and in the public eye who make mistakes. For example a police officer or firefighter who makes the 'wrong' decision under pressure. I can even understand it when politicians 'get it wrong' over unforeseeable issues like, say, Syria or Libya. But on something like this, where a decision was taken by people who were under no pressure at all, apart maybe from looking busy before May 2 and spinning the story to the press, I find it hard to sympathise with them. As said, we all seemed to pick up the problems within minutes. What about the professionals and councillors. They can't have done this on the back of a fag packet over a pint at lunchtime, can they? Or.... More Tea Vicar
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12:51pm Thu 25 Apr 13

Jabbadad says...

The St Martins gate carpark has has a number of spaces available sign outside for years. So no new science there then.
We also need to look for something positive no matter how small, and when they are up and running ok, we may just all benefit.
The St Martins gate carpark has has a number of spaces available sign outside for years. So no new science there then. We also need to look for something positive no matter how small, and when they are up and running ok, we may just all benefit. Jabbadad
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3:12pm Thu 25 Apr 13

uptonX says...

Another totally pointless waste of our money, the incompetence is breathtaking. Can we identify the councillors who voted for this so we can do something about it and vote them out in the election in a couple of weeks time.
Another totally pointless waste of our money, the incompetence is breathtaking. Can we identify the councillors who voted for this so we can do something about it and vote them out in the election in a couple of weeks time. uptonX
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4:09pm Thu 25 Apr 13

More Tea Vicar says...

uptonX wrote:
Another totally pointless waste of our money, the incompetence is breathtaking. Can we identify the councillors who voted for this so we can do something about it and vote them out in the election in a couple of weeks time.
Interesting point. The WN said this exercise 'benefits' drivers, but we seem to have proven that this isn't true.

And the story would appear to have gone quiet. I'm probably tempting fate here, but when the Council think they've done something good, you often get a picture in the paper with some councillors pointing at something. Maybe there's one on the way.

Maybe they realised too late that the idea was transparently stupid, and are now distancing themselves from it.
[quote][p][bold]uptonX[/bold] wrote: Another totally pointless waste of our money, the incompetence is breathtaking. Can we identify the councillors who voted for this so we can do something about it and vote them out in the election in a couple of weeks time.[/p][/quote]Interesting point. The WN said this exercise 'benefits' drivers, but we seem to have proven that this isn't true. And the story would appear to have gone quiet. I'm probably tempting fate here, but when the Council think they've done something good, you often get a picture in the paper with some councillors pointing at something. Maybe there's one on the way. Maybe they realised too late that the idea was transparently stupid, and are now distancing themselves from it. More Tea Vicar
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4:14pm Thu 25 Apr 13

Keith B says...

I will endeavour to trace the votes (FOI but they don't always co-operate).

Watch this space

(sorry - isn't this something a Worcester News Reporter should be doing. Oh, I forgot, there aren't any - just people who recycle Council press releases)
I will endeavour to trace the votes (FOI but they don't always co-operate). Watch this space (sorry - isn't this something a Worcester News Reporter should be doing. Oh, I forgot, there aren't any - just people who recycle Council press releases) Keith B
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4:25pm Thu 25 Apr 13

uptonX says...

Keith B wrote:
I will endeavour to trace the votes (FOI but they don't always co-operate).

Watch this space

(sorry - isn't this something a Worcester News Reporter should be doing. Oh, I forgot, there aren't any - just people who recycle Council press releases)
Absolutely. Recently they seem to have forgotten what the role of a journalist is.
All that happens now is council PR is printed. Very sad.
[quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: I will endeavour to trace the votes (FOI but they don't always co-operate). Watch this space (sorry - isn't this something a Worcester News Reporter should be doing. Oh, I forgot, there aren't any - just people who recycle Council press releases)[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Recently they seem to have forgotten what the role of a journalist is. All that happens now is council PR is printed. Very sad. uptonX
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6:44pm Thu 25 Apr 13

Bismarck says...

It would be interesting to know the total bill for this work and see if a FOI request would bear fruit. I'm just thinking how much the money could have accomplished if put towards a decent piece of long-lasting road re-surfacing, rather than the short-term patching approach which has become de rigeur in recent years.
It would be interesting to know the total bill for this work and see if a FOI request would bear fruit. I'm just thinking how much the money could have accomplished if put towards a decent piece of long-lasting road re-surfacing, rather than the short-term patching approach which has become de rigeur in recent years. Bismarck
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11:48pm Fri 26 Apr 13

presterjohn says...

uptonX wrote:
Keith B wrote:
I will endeavour to trace the votes (FOI but they don't always co-operate).

Watch this space

(sorry - isn't this something a Worcester News Reporter should be doing. Oh, I forgot, there aren't any - just people who recycle Council press releases)
Absolutely. Recently they seem to have forgotten what the role of a journalist is.
All that happens now is council PR is printed. Very sad.
Most provincial papers buy in most of the news they publish from Reuters. That has bee the case for a number of years. Investigative journalism is very expensive at the end of the day. At least we now have a few more opinion pieces that we used to get a few years ago.
[quote][p][bold]uptonX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: I will endeavour to trace the votes (FOI but they don't always co-operate). Watch this space (sorry - isn't this something a Worcester News Reporter should be doing. Oh, I forgot, there aren't any - just people who recycle Council press releases)[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Recently they seem to have forgotten what the role of a journalist is. All that happens now is council PR is printed. Very sad.[/p][/quote]Most provincial papers buy in most of the news they publish from Reuters. That has bee the case for a number of years. Investigative journalism is very expensive at the end of the day. At least we now have a few more opinion pieces that we used to get a few years ago. presterjohn
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11:56pm Fri 26 Apr 13

presterjohn says...

We were talking about these new signs today at work. The general consensus was if you were aware of the names of the parks mentioned on the sign and the location they were in then you probably did not need the sign. If you were not aware of them then the sign was meaningless. All in all not worth the money spent on them.
We were talking about these new signs today at work. The general consensus was if you were aware of the names of the parks mentioned on the sign and the location they were in then you probably did not need the sign. If you were not aware of them then the sign was meaningless. All in all not worth the money spent on them. presterjohn
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12:16am Sat 27 Apr 13

Jabbadad says...

Sorry can't agree.
If even as a local you were driving towards a car park sign which told you where empty spaces were in carparks which you knew about, would save you a wasted journey to a car park which you knew about but without the information signs were full up when you got there.
And Post Codes on the signs for visitors with sat-navs would be an asset or as we say job done.
Sorry can't agree. If even as a local you were driving towards a car park sign which told you where empty spaces were in carparks which you knew about, would save you a wasted journey to a car park which you knew about but without the information signs were full up when you got there. And Post Codes on the signs for visitors with sat-navs would be an asset or as we say job done. Jabbadad
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8:36pm Fri 3 May 13

CJH says...

Drove past the Tallow Hill sign again this afternoon. Still only says OPEN for all carparks. Doesn't say whether there's one space or a hundred spaces free. Still don't see the point of them.
Drove past the Tallow Hill sign again this afternoon. Still only says OPEN for all carparks. Doesn't say whether there's one space or a hundred spaces free. Still don't see the point of them. CJH
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10:40pm Fri 3 May 13

More Tea Vicar says...

CJH wrote:
Drove past the Tallow Hill sign again this afternoon. Still only says OPEN for all carparks. Doesn't say whether there's one space or a hundred spaces free. Still don't see the point of them.
There is space on them for 6 characters so presumably the will be able to say open, closed and spaces. Theoretically.

But as it stands it looks like classic council look busy and spend money generating a few positive headlines in the WN. Which raises further questions about the council and its PR activities, as well as its traffic competence.
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: Drove past the Tallow Hill sign again this afternoon. Still only says OPEN for all carparks. Doesn't say whether there's one space or a hundred spaces free. Still don't see the point of them.[/p][/quote]There is space on them for 6 characters so presumably the will be able to say open, closed and spaces. Theoretically. But as it stands it looks like classic council look busy and spend money generating a few positive headlines in the WN. Which raises further questions about the council and its PR activities, as well as its traffic competence. More Tea Vicar
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