UKIP county councillor Eric Kitson facing the sack for posting racist comments on Facebook

Eric Kitson: facing the sack for racist rants

Eric Kitson: facing the sack for racist rants

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Worcester News: Tom Edwards by , Political Reporter

A NEW UKIP councillor in Worcestershire has sparked fury amid allegations he unleashed a series of racist abuse online.

Eric Kitson, who won a seat in Stourport just 11 days ago, is facing the sack today over a whole raft of anti-Muslim, anti-Jewish Facebook posts.

Among the most shocking is a cartoon of a Muslim being spit-roasted on a fire fuelled by copies of the Koran.

In one comment he said in reference to Muslim women: “Hang um all first then ask questions later.”

A raft of anti-Jewish remarks have also appeared on his Facebook site, and in a separate post he has called for the repatriation of “six million migrants and refugees”.

There was also false claims posted on his site that the Rothschild banking dynasty had controlled Nazi Germany's leader Adolf Hitler.

His Facebook page has also called for Muslim women to be hanged, suggested Islam is "a cancer" that should be eradicated "with nuclear weapons" and expressed support for BNP boss Nick Griffin by 'liking' him.

His site also called for the world to "unite against Islam" and supports the far-right English Defence League.

The pages have been re-published on a website called Stand for Peace, which has condemned his actions.

His Facebook page has now been deleted, but the Stand for Peace website still carries large volumes of his vile posts, some of them dating back to 2012.

A complaint has been made to an inspector at West Mercia Police this afternoon, who has asked to see a file of his Facebook posts.

The Muslim community has called the rants "sickening" and a petition is being circulated around mosques tonight calling for his removal.

Councillor Adrian Hardman, the leader of Worcestershire County Council, said: "This looks like criminal activity because he's inciting racial hatred - he should do the honourable thing and resign because he has brought shame on the county."

The attacks are currently being investigated by UKIP HQ in London, and have been condemned as “disgusting” by senior figures at Worcestershire County Council this morning.

Councillor Kitson has only just been through training for being an elected politician, and is one of four UKIP members to have just been elected to the authority for the first time ever.

If he is removed from his position it would be the shortest spell any elected politician has ever had in County Hall - and would trigger a by-election.

A UKIP spokesman told the Worcester News: “The party is looking into it because we need to find out exactly what has gone on here.

“We don’t want to dismiss him outright until we investigate it.

“Our understanding is that he has offered to resign over it, but we need to establish what’s happened.

“A conversation will be taking place and if we find out he has behaved inappropriately, he would have to go."

Councillor Peter McDonald, leader of Worcestershire’s Labour group, said: “These remarks are disgusting and it brings the whole office of being a councillor into disrepute.

“It’s a terrible mess, he has let himself down, the council down, and the voters who elected him in down - they did not vote for this.

"It's terribly sad and pretty shocking what he has done - this man is now an elected councillor."

The authority has already had one request for the Standards Committee to investigate, and has released a statement in the last few minutes.

Simon Mallinson, head of legal and democratic services, said: "Whilst we would avoid commenting on any individual case at this stage, elected members are expected to comply with the council's code of conduct when they act in their role as county councillors.

"Any complaint that this code has been breached when acting in such a role will be carefully considered."

Coun Kitson has yet to respond to calls from the press, but Wyre Forest's UKIP branch has confirmed he is under investigation.

Neil Jukes, the chairman, said: "He is under investigation and we will be taking it very seriously.

"I must admit, I was totally unaware of this and when he became a candidate, like all the rest we asked him to sign a form declaring he had no skeletons in the closet and had nothing which would cause us any embarrassment.

"We will have to wait and see."

Muslim Mumshad Ahmed, a former county councillor, said: "I am sickened and disgusted by this, I cannot believe the hatred he is creating.

"I will be taking a petition around mosques tonight to get people to sign it, this man is doing something very dangerous - when a Koran was burned there was riots around the world.

"I cannot see why he's done this."

Meanwhile, Councillor Simon Geraghty, deputy leader of the county council, has called it "heinous".

"You find youself lost for words," he said.

"It's absolutely dreadful and he clearly is not the right person to be a councillor with those views."

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11:40am Mon 13 May 13

Maggie Would says...

If it is true, it is truly shocking and he should be sacked. However, what really troubles me is that someone so stupid, that he cannot predict the inevitable reaction to his behaviour, has been elected in the first place.

I know a number of councillors and generally find them to be fairly intelligent and committed members of society, but perhaps it's time to make sure that all candidates are given an intelligence test before they can stand for office.
If it is true, it is truly shocking and he should be sacked. However, what really troubles me is that someone so stupid, that he cannot predict the inevitable reaction to his behaviour, has been elected in the first place. I know a number of councillors and generally find them to be fairly intelligent and committed members of society, but perhaps it's time to make sure that all candidates are given an intelligence test before they can stand for office. Maggie Would
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11:57am Mon 13 May 13

DanMacc says...

I think everyone should vote for UKIP so we can get a glimpse of how useless and clueless they would be if they actually got into power. The sooner everyone realises this the better.
I think everyone should vote for UKIP so we can get a glimpse of how useless and clueless they would be if they actually got into power. The sooner everyone realises this the better. DanMacc
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12:37pm Mon 13 May 13

catcostume says...

Why are they only taking petitions around mosques?
Why are they only taking petitions around mosques? catcostume
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12:58pm Mon 13 May 13

MJI says...

Maggie Would wrote:
If it is true, it is truly shocking and he should be sacked. However, what really troubles me is that someone so stupid, that he cannot predict the inevitable reaction to his behaviour, has been elected in the first place.

I know a number of councillors and generally find them to be fairly intelligent and committed members of society, but perhaps it's time to make sure that all candidates are given an intelligence test before they can stand for office.
Some people will vote for anyone, it is amazing how stupid some of these councillors are.
.
I was shocked to see some reelected in Worcester
[quote][p][bold]Maggie Would[/bold] wrote: If it is true, it is truly shocking and he should be sacked. However, what really troubles me is that someone so stupid, that he cannot predict the inevitable reaction to his behaviour, has been elected in the first place. I know a number of councillors and generally find them to be fairly intelligent and committed members of society, but perhaps it's time to make sure that all candidates are given an intelligence test before they can stand for office.[/p][/quote]Some people will vote for anyone, it is amazing how stupid some of these councillors are. . I was shocked to see some reelected in Worcester MJI
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1:38pm Mon 13 May 13

nicki1967 says...

To be honest, the people that voted for this lot in protest at the current Government then they are just as pathetic as those who voted LibDems in the last general election as a protest at the Labour government.
As for this councillor, he should be sacked immediately. A lot of people may not like our immigration policies but should really accept that multi-cultural societies are the way to go. You don't hear other countries moaning about immigration do you.
To be honest, the people that voted for this lot in protest at the current Government then they are just as pathetic as those who voted LibDems in the last general election as a protest at the Labour government. As for this councillor, he should be sacked immediately. A lot of people may not like our immigration policies but should really accept that multi-cultural societies are the way to go. You don't hear other countries moaning about immigration do you. nicki1967
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1:50pm Mon 13 May 13

gmoore1207 says...

nicki1967 wrote:
To be honest, the people that voted for this lot in protest at the current Government then they are just as pathetic as those who voted LibDems in the last general election as a protest at the Labour government.
As for this councillor, he should be sacked immediately. A lot of people may not like our immigration policies but should really accept that multi-cultural societies are the way to go. You don't hear other countries moaning about immigration do you.
try looking at france australia they moan
[quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: To be honest, the people that voted for this lot in protest at the current Government then they are just as pathetic as those who voted LibDems in the last general election as a protest at the Labour government. As for this councillor, he should be sacked immediately. A lot of people may not like our immigration policies but should really accept that multi-cultural societies are the way to go. You don't hear other countries moaning about immigration do you.[/p][/quote]try looking at france australia they moan gmoore1207
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2:32pm Mon 13 May 13

mr.meldrew says...

gmoore1207 wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
To be honest, the people that voted for this lot in protest at the current Government then they are just as pathetic as those who voted LibDems in the last general election as a protest at the Labour government.
As for this councillor, he should be sacked immediately. A lot of people may not like our immigration policies but should really accept that multi-cultural societies are the way to go. You don't hear other countries moaning about immigration do you.
try looking at france australia they moan
and germany,america,etc etc.
[quote][p][bold]gmoore1207[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: To be honest, the people that voted for this lot in protest at the current Government then they are just as pathetic as those who voted LibDems in the last general election as a protest at the Labour government. As for this councillor, he should be sacked immediately. A lot of people may not like our immigration policies but should really accept that multi-cultural societies are the way to go. You don't hear other countries moaning about immigration do you.[/p][/quote]try looking at france australia they moan[/p][/quote]and germany,america,etc etc. mr.meldrew
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2:41pm Mon 13 May 13

Busymum2011 says...

This is what you voted for, people! Marvellous!
This is what you voted for, people! Marvellous! Busymum2011
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2:50pm Mon 13 May 13

worcestermassivecollective says...

mr.meldrew wrote:
gmoore1207 wrote:
nicki1967 wrote:
To be honest, the people that voted for this lot in protest at the current Government then they are just as pathetic as those who voted LibDems in the last general election as a protest at the Labour government.
As for this councillor, he should be sacked immediately. A lot of people may not like our immigration policies but should really accept that multi-cultural societies are the way to go. You don't hear other countries moaning about immigration do you.
try looking at france australia they moan
and germany,america,etc etc.
Look at these imbeciles, still trying to stick up for this disgrace of an individual.
[quote][p][bold]mr.meldrew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gmoore1207[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nicki1967[/bold] wrote: To be honest, the people that voted for this lot in protest at the current Government then they are just as pathetic as those who voted LibDems in the last general election as a protest at the Labour government. As for this councillor, he should be sacked immediately. A lot of people may not like our immigration policies but should really accept that multi-cultural societies are the way to go. You don't hear other countries moaning about immigration do you.[/p][/quote]try looking at france australia they moan[/p][/quote]and germany,america,etc etc.[/p][/quote]Look at these imbeciles, still trying to stick up for this disgrace of an individual. worcestermassivecollective
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3:06pm Mon 13 May 13

Chipper Dinosaur says...

So if you don't vote Conservative or Labour, you are pathetic?
So if you don't vote Conservative or Labour, you are pathetic? Chipper Dinosaur
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3:12pm Mon 13 May 13

Samboy says...

Dinosaur, the danger for any fringe party is that it attracts undesirables. I doubt if the Nazis realised what they were in for when they let Adolf Hitler join them.
Dinosaur, the danger for any fringe party is that it attracts undesirables. I doubt if the Nazis realised what they were in for when they let Adolf Hitler join them. Samboy
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4:48pm Mon 13 May 13

harrier1 says...

Rascist. Nothing behind the policies. BNP in disguise.
Rascist. Nothing behind the policies. BNP in disguise. harrier1
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4:59pm Mon 13 May 13

Flash-man says...

So, Stourport people vote for a racist, and are surprised when he turns out to be a racist !

This whole episode brings shame on Stourport, and Wyre Forest.

But how many people who voted for him agree with his views, I wonder ?

More than a racist, this horrible little man is also a neo-nazi. And for all those who voted for him, and who start sentences with "I'm not racist, but.....", how does it feel identifying with and supporting the far right, and
neo-nazis ?

I would happily sign any petition to get rid of this abomination of a man. Extremists like him are a cancer on civilised and democratic society.

Eric Kitson. You are a disgrace. You are a racist and a Nazi. You bring shame on yourself, and are an embarrassment. A generation fought against the Nazis, and gave their lives in fighting the far right. And people like you dishonor them, and us.

I wonder if you'll ever show your nazi face on Stourport High Street again ?
So, Stourport people vote for a racist, and are surprised when he turns out to be a racist ! This whole episode brings shame on Stourport, and Wyre Forest. But how many people who voted for him agree with his views, I wonder ? More than a racist, this horrible little man is also a neo-nazi. And for all those who voted for him, and who start sentences with "I'm not racist, but.....", how does it feel identifying with and supporting the far right, and neo-nazis ? I would happily sign any petition to get rid of this abomination of a man. Extremists like him are a cancer on civilised and democratic society. Eric Kitson. You are a disgrace. You are a racist and a Nazi. You bring shame on yourself, and are an embarrassment. A generation fought against the Nazis, and gave their lives in fighting the far right. And people like you dishonor them, and us. I wonder if you'll ever show your nazi face on Stourport High Street again ? Flash-man
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5:50pm Mon 13 May 13

born n bred blue says...

who cares ??????????????
who cares ?????????????? born n bred blue
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6:11pm Mon 13 May 13

Chipper Dinosaur says...

Like it or not, conversation among folk is most animated when it involves 'foreigners', muslims, the derision of the human rights act, and so on. Little wonder they connect with the voters, saddening as that is.
Like it or not, conversation among folk is most animated when it involves 'foreigners', muslims, the derision of the human rights act, and so on. Little wonder they connect with the voters, saddening as that is. Chipper Dinosaur
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6:14pm Mon 13 May 13

penelope52@btinternet.com says...

If this is true, it is disgraceful and he should be sacked. Even more disgraceful is that he has brought his party into disrepute. UKIP does not knowingly allow people to join who have ever been members of the BNP. I believe that most people who voted UKIP are not racist but are fed up with uncontrolled immigration putting an intolerable strain on this country's resources and infrastructure.
If this is true, it is disgraceful and he should be sacked. Even more disgraceful is that he has brought his party into disrepute. UKIP does not knowingly allow people to join who have ever been members of the BNP. I believe that most people who voted UKIP are not racist but are fed up with uncontrolled immigration putting an intolerable strain on this country's resources and infrastructure. penelope52@btinternet.com
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6:34pm Mon 13 May 13

jon ryan says...

"...UKIP does not knowingly allow people to join who have been members of BNP..."

But it's OK if they have been members of the National Front, is it? Or maybe a concession was made for former NF chairman Martyn Heale because he's Nigel Farage's election agent? True colours are beginning to show.
"...UKIP does not knowingly allow people to join who have been members of BNP..." But it's OK if they have been members of the National Front, is it? Or maybe a concession was made for former NF chairman Martyn Heale because he's Nigel Farage's election agent? True colours are beginning to show. jon ryan
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7:21pm Mon 13 May 13

i-cycle says...

born n bred blue wrote:
who cares ??????????????
Anyone with a brain and sense of moral responsibility !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!
[quote][p][bold]born n bred blue[/bold] wrote: who cares ??????????????[/p][/quote]Anyone with a brain and sense of moral responsibility !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! i-cycle
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7:40pm Mon 13 May 13

Letterman says...

Before the elections, I wrote some blogs on some WN stories saying that UKIP had some right wing views, and this article seems to confirm that UKIP to have a racial and extremist element to them. The thing is though, the people that voted in the UKIP councillors, were they naive enough to think they didn't have right wing views, or did they know and deliberately voted for them for that reason? I suspect it is the latter.
Before the elections, I wrote some blogs on some WN stories saying that UKIP had some right wing views, and this article seems to confirm that UKIP to have a racial and extremist element to them. The thing is though, the people that voted in the UKIP councillors, were they naive enough to think they didn't have right wing views, or did they know and deliberately voted for them for that reason? I suspect it is the latter. Letterman
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9:30pm Mon 13 May 13

Icarusty says...

If he is removed from his position it would be the shortest spell any elected politician has ever had in County Hall - and would trigger a by-election.
========

UKIP, setting new benchmarks already!

In the BBC article it says he has many Muslim and Jamaican friends... the moment a racist says that, along with "haven't a racist bone in my body" - you know the type you're dealing with.
If he is removed from his position it would be the shortest spell any elected politician has ever had in County Hall - and would trigger a by-election. ======== UKIP, setting new benchmarks already! In the BBC article it says he has many Muslim and Jamaican friends... the moment a racist says that, along with "haven't a racist bone in my body" - you know the type you're dealing with. Icarusty
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9:37pm Mon 13 May 13

Icarusty says...

The pictures and posts are still up on http://standforpeace
.org.uk/anti-muslim-
anti-semitic-ukip-co
uncillor-claims-hitl
er-part-of-rothschil
d-conspiracy/

What is ironic (and surprisingly common) is that there are some UKIP supporters who are married to a mail order foreign bride....
The pictures and posts are still up on http://standforpeace .org.uk/anti-muslim- anti-semitic-ukip-co uncillor-claims-hitl er-part-of-rothschil d-conspiracy/ What is ironic (and surprisingly common) is that there are some UKIP supporters who are married to a mail order foreign bride.... Icarusty
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9:51pm Mon 13 May 13

i-cycle says...

Icarusty wrote:
If he is removed from his position it would be the shortest spell any elected politician has ever had in County Hall - and would trigger a by-election.
========

UKIP, setting new benchmarks already!

In the BBC article it says he has many Muslim and Jamaican friends... the moment a racist says that, along with "haven't a racist bone in my body" - you know the type you're dealing with.
Perhaps Eric Kitson has been misquoted.

From the blatently racist material he circulated perhaps what he meant to say was "I have too many Muslim and Jamaican friends'

As UKIPs main reason for existence is to reduce immigration how can he really expect people to believe he didn't have racist intent when he circulated such vile material.

UKIP say they have 'no room for racists' so unlike the Richard Delingpole case, the Worcester UKIP candidate who deliberately posted a photoshopped image of himself with Hitler, I assume they will expel Mr Kitson.

If not the electorate will no doubt made up their own opinions as to UKIP ethics and morals.
[quote][p][bold]Icarusty[/bold] wrote: If he is removed from his position it would be the shortest spell any elected politician has ever had in County Hall - and would trigger a by-election. ======== UKIP, setting new benchmarks already! In the BBC article it says he has many Muslim and Jamaican friends... the moment a racist says that, along with "haven't a racist bone in my body" - you know the type you're dealing with.[/p][/quote]Perhaps Eric Kitson has been misquoted. From the blatently racist material he circulated perhaps what he meant to say was "I have too many Muslim and Jamaican friends' As UKIPs main reason for existence is to reduce immigration how can he really expect people to believe he didn't have racist intent when he circulated such vile material. UKIP say they have 'no room for racists' so unlike the Richard Delingpole case, the Worcester UKIP candidate who deliberately posted a photoshopped image of himself with Hitler, I assume they will expel Mr Kitson. If not the electorate will no doubt made up their own opinions as to UKIP ethics and morals. i-cycle
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10:05pm Mon 13 May 13

Flash-man says...

Icarusty wrote:
If he is removed from his position it would be the shortest spell any elected politician has ever had in County Hall - and would trigger a by-election.
========

UKIP, setting new benchmarks already!

In the BBC article it says he has many Muslim and Jamaican friends... the moment a racist says that, along with "haven't a racist bone in my body" - you know the type you're dealing with.
Well, once his Muslim and Jamaican friends realise he is a vicious racist, I suspect he will no longer be counting them as friends.

In truth, of course, he doesn't have any Muslim or Jamaican friends. He lives in a strange, Edwardian clique, where everyone is white, middle class, and still stand for the national anthem when the TV goes off at night.

He may have seen 'coloureds' on the TV, but then very thought of them makes him shudder. He weeps at night, thinking of how they are despoiling our once green and pleasant land. He cries as he thinks of them stealing our jobs, our benefits, and our women. He still idolises Moseley and Powell, and thinks he speaks for the downtrodden, hard working, white majority.

Kitson.....You don't speak for me. Or for anyone I know. You are a cancer on our society.

Kitson is a racist and a nazi. He is anti semitic and and consumed with hate for those who are different to himself. If he isn't, he can sue me !
[quote][p][bold]Icarusty[/bold] wrote: If he is removed from his position it would be the shortest spell any elected politician has ever had in County Hall - and would trigger a by-election. ======== UKIP, setting new benchmarks already! In the BBC article it says he has many Muslim and Jamaican friends... the moment a racist says that, along with "haven't a racist bone in my body" - you know the type you're dealing with.[/p][/quote]Well, once his Muslim and Jamaican friends realise he is a vicious racist, I suspect he will no longer be counting them as friends. In truth, of course, he doesn't have any Muslim or Jamaican friends. He lives in a strange, Edwardian clique, where everyone is white, middle class, and still stand for the national anthem when the TV goes off at night. He may have seen 'coloureds' on the TV, but then very thought of them makes him shudder. He weeps at night, thinking of how they are despoiling our once green and pleasant land. He cries as he thinks of them stealing our jobs, our benefits, and our women. He still idolises Moseley and Powell, and thinks he speaks for the downtrodden, hard working, white majority. Kitson.....You don't speak for me. Or for anyone I know. You are a cancer on our society. Kitson is a racist and a nazi. He is anti semitic and and consumed with hate for those who are different to himself. If he isn't, he can sue me ! Flash-man
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10:11pm Mon 13 May 13

Maggie Would says...

i-cycle wrote:
born n bred blue wrote:
who cares ??????????????
Anyone with a brain and sense of moral responsibility !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!
Hear hear!
[quote][p][bold]i-cycle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]born n bred blue[/bold] wrote: who cares ??????????????[/p][/quote]Anyone with a brain and sense of moral responsibility !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ![/p][/quote]Hear hear! Maggie Would
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10:31pm Mon 13 May 13

take a deep breath says...

Why are pollsters bowing down to the Asian community in taking polls around mosques? How can such a poll give a balanced view?...and nikki1967..why are "multi-cultural societs the way to go"? You speak for yourself, its not something I want.
Why are pollsters bowing down to the Asian community in taking polls around mosques? How can such a poll give a balanced view?...and nikki1967..why are "multi-cultural societs the way to go"? You speak for yourself, its not something I want. take a deep breath
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10:42pm Mon 13 May 13

Letterman says...

take a deep breath wrote:
Why are pollsters bowing down to the Asian community in taking polls around mosques? How can such a poll give a balanced view?...and nikki1967..why are "multi-cultural societs the way to go"? You speak for yourself, its not something I want.
I assume you'd like to see all ethnic minorities removed from the UK or all foreign nationals regardless of colour or creed? Appreciate you're entitled to your views and I suspect many will agree with your sentiments, but I'm just curious, that's all.

For the record, I don't agree with you, but am of the view that immigration in to the UK from all over the world needs to be curtailed, but not for cultural reasons.
[quote][p][bold]take a deep breath[/bold] wrote: Why are pollsters bowing down to the Asian community in taking polls around mosques? How can such a poll give a balanced view?...and nikki1967..why are "multi-cultural societs the way to go"? You speak for yourself, its not something I want.[/p][/quote]I assume you'd like to see all ethnic minorities removed from the UK or all foreign nationals regardless of colour or creed? Appreciate you're entitled to your views and I suspect many will agree with your sentiments, but I'm just curious, that's all. For the record, I don't agree with you, but am of the view that immigration in to the UK from all over the world needs to be curtailed, but not for cultural reasons. Letterman
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10:51pm Mon 13 May 13

Keith B says...

Throw the word racist at anyone and they must "resign" or be "sacked".

Well he was duly elected and can not be sacked from the Council. He can resign if he wishes and there will be a by election. He can be sacked from his Party but not from his seat for four years.

So where does this leave Jo Brand - who along with the miserable Adrian Chiles, was responsible for getting Carol Thatcher sacked from the BBC for alleged racism off air in the green room.

Hosting "Have I got news for you" this week she made both homophobic and racist jokes but nobody says a word because she is a lovey darling of the left.

But the media is delving away to undermine UKIP at every turn. It just shows how much the establishment is afraid of them.

This particular UKIP Councillor might be a total idiot - now can we look into the backgrounds of the Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem Councillors to see if they ever said or did something stupid.
Throw the word racist at anyone and they must "resign" or be "sacked". Well he was duly elected and can not be sacked from the Council. He can resign if he wishes and there will be a by election. He can be sacked from his Party but not from his seat for four years. So where does this leave Jo Brand - who along with the miserable Adrian Chiles, was responsible for getting Carol Thatcher sacked from the BBC for alleged racism off air in the green room. Hosting "Have I got news for you" this week she made both homophobic and racist jokes but nobody says a word because she is a lovey darling of the left. But the media is delving away to undermine UKIP at every turn. It just shows how much the establishment is afraid of them. This particular UKIP Councillor might be a total idiot - now can we look into the backgrounds of the Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem Councillors to see if they ever said or did something stupid. Keith B
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12:09am Tue 14 May 13

nicki1967 says...

take a deep breath wrote:
Why are pollsters bowing down to the Asian community in taking polls around mosques? How can such a poll give a balanced view?...and nikki1967..why are "multi-cultural societs the way to go"? You speak for yourself, its not something I want.
So maybe, 'the way to go' was the wrong phrase to use, although my comment did make sense, and I feel you are just being pedantic.

I still think that there is no place in councils or parliaments for racists.
[quote][p][bold]take a deep breath[/bold] wrote: Why are pollsters bowing down to the Asian community in taking polls around mosques? How can such a poll give a balanced view?...and nikki1967..why are "multi-cultural societs the way to go"? You speak for yourself, its not something I want.[/p][/quote]So maybe, 'the way to go' was the wrong phrase to use, although my comment did make sense, and I feel you are just being pedantic. I still think that there is no place in councils or parliaments for racists. nicki1967
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1:50am Tue 14 May 13

ideas4all says...

Flash man well done ur comments were spot on and I suppose most of the comments on this story have to b commended to show that most ppl out there in society are good decent human beings who look at the contents not colour or race of a person thanks for helping me keep the faith the problem with ppl like hold my breath is they live in the countryside and hardly ever come in touch with foreigners never even tried to have a conversation with them but judging nevertheless until they go to hospital and their lives are in the hands of a so called foreigner
Flash man well done ur comments were spot on and I suppose most of the comments on this story have to b commended to show that most ppl out there in society are good decent human beings who look at the contents not colour or race of a person thanks for helping me keep the faith the problem with ppl like hold my breath is they live in the countryside and hardly ever come in touch with foreigners never even tried to have a conversation with them but judging nevertheless until they go to hospital and their lives are in the hands of a so called foreigner ideas4all
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3:30am Tue 14 May 13

mauro balbino says...

DanMacc wrote:
I think everyone should vote for UKIP so we can get a glimpse of how useless and clueless they would be if they actually got into power. The sooner everyone realises this the better.
Indeed, they would not last.

Mr Kitson, how stupidly suicidal a grow man can be? And coward enough to not keep them to show people what a nasty piece of politician you are.
[quote][p][bold]DanMacc[/bold] wrote: I think everyone should vote for UKIP so we can get a glimpse of how useless and clueless they would be if they actually got into power. The sooner everyone realises this the better.[/p][/quote]Indeed, they would not last. Mr Kitson, how stupidly suicidal a grow man can be? And coward enough to not keep them to show people what a nasty piece of politician you are. mauro balbino
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5:51am Tue 14 May 13

Keith B says...

ideas4all wrote:
Flash man well done ur comments were spot on and I suppose most of the comments on this story have to b commended to show that most ppl out there in society are good decent human beings who look at the contents not colour or race of a person thanks for helping me keep the faith the problem with ppl like hold my breath is they live in the countryside and hardly ever come in touch with foreigners never even tried to have a conversation with them but judging nevertheless until they go to hospital and their lives are in the hands of a so called foreigner
One reason the government has introduced tests for punctuation and grammar .... of course opposed by the National Union of Teachers.
[quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: Flash man well done ur comments were spot on and I suppose most of the comments on this story have to b commended to show that most ppl out there in society are good decent human beings who look at the contents not colour or race of a person thanks for helping me keep the faith the problem with ppl like hold my breath is they live in the countryside and hardly ever come in touch with foreigners never even tried to have a conversation with them but judging nevertheless until they go to hospital and their lives are in the hands of a so called foreigner[/p][/quote]One reason the government has introduced tests for punctuation and grammar .... of course opposed by the National Union of Teachers. Keith B
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9:16am Tue 14 May 13

Pomygranit says...

Heard Kitson on the radio this morning; like many other UKIP/BNP candidates has little idea what he is talking about and his excuse was pathetic.
Heard Kitson on the radio this morning; like many other UKIP/BNP candidates has little idea what he is talking about and his excuse was pathetic. Pomygranit
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9:19am Tue 14 May 13

Stephen Brown says...

It's way off thread but I think many of us will be surprised to discover that our comments on this page are now subject to grammar assessment by the self-appointed grammar police.

The punctuation and grammar tests are being introduced without evidence to support their effectiveness. It's another barmy Government idea based on some notion of 1950's schooling that exists in Gove's mind. In fact, these tests are opposed by Head Teachers for being too 'abstract' and 'out of context' and ignoring the ongoing learning with pupils that teachers do. More meaningless league tables for politicians to drool over and pretend they are actually achieving something.
It's way off thread but I think many of us will be surprised to discover that our comments on this page are now subject to grammar assessment by the self-appointed grammar police. The punctuation and grammar tests are being introduced without evidence to support their effectiveness. It's another barmy Government idea based on some notion of 1950's schooling that exists in Gove's mind. In fact, these tests are opposed by Head Teachers for being too 'abstract' and 'out of context' and ignoring the ongoing learning with pupils that teachers do. More meaningless league tables for politicians to drool over and pretend they are actually achieving something. Stephen Brown
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9:23am Tue 14 May 13

Robot 3021 says...

Keith B wrote:
ideas4all wrote:
Flash man well done ur comments were spot on and I suppose most of the comments on this story have to b commended to show that most ppl out there in society are good decent human beings who look at the contents not colour or race of a person thanks for helping me keep the faith the problem with ppl like hold my breath is they live in the countryside and hardly ever come in touch with foreigners never even tried to have a conversation with them but judging nevertheless until they go to hospital and their lives are in the hands of a so called foreigner
One reason the government has introduced tests for punctuation and grammar .... of course opposed by the National Union of Teachers.
One reason the government has introduced tests for punctuation and grammar .... of course opposed by the National Union of Teachers.


Shall we mark the use of four dots for an ellipsis as a fail, because the most common "grammatically correct" form is three dots? Yes, I think we shall. Pass my red pen, it's going to be a busy day.
[quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: Flash man well done ur comments were spot on and I suppose most of the comments on this story have to b commended to show that most ppl out there in society are good decent human beings who look at the contents not colour or race of a person thanks for helping me keep the faith the problem with ppl like hold my breath is they live in the countryside and hardly ever come in touch with foreigners never even tried to have a conversation with them but judging nevertheless until they go to hospital and their lives are in the hands of a so called foreigner[/p][/quote]One reason the government has introduced tests for punctuation and grammar .... of course opposed by the National Union of Teachers.[/p][/quote][quote]One reason the government has introduced tests for punctuation and grammar .... of course opposed by the National Union of Teachers.[/quote] Shall we mark the use of four dots for an ellipsis as a fail, because the most common "grammatically correct" form is three dots? Yes, I think we shall. Pass my red pen, it's going to be a busy day. Robot 3021
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10:10am Tue 14 May 13

Keith B says...

Stephen Brown wrote:
It's way off thread but I think many of us will be surprised to discover that our comments on this page are now subject to grammar assessment by the self-appointed grammar police.

The punctuation and grammar tests are being introduced without evidence to support their effectiveness. It's another barmy Government idea based on some notion of 1950's schooling that exists in Gove's mind. In fact, these tests are opposed by Head Teachers for being too 'abstract' and 'out of context' and ignoring the ongoing learning with pupils that teachers do. More meaningless league tables for politicians to drool over and pretend they are actually achieving something.
Bet you're a teacher - what is it today - another training day or just another holiday? Or just a free lesson at twenty past nine ... and I totally failed my English exams in 1960's but I now learn something every day and today's lesson has been that three dots are grammatically correct but it worries me that I learnt it from a Robot.
[quote][p][bold]Stephen Brown[/bold] wrote: It's way off thread but I think many of us will be surprised to discover that our comments on this page are now subject to grammar assessment by the self-appointed grammar police. The punctuation and grammar tests are being introduced without evidence to support their effectiveness. It's another barmy Government idea based on some notion of 1950's schooling that exists in Gove's mind. In fact, these tests are opposed by Head Teachers for being too 'abstract' and 'out of context' and ignoring the ongoing learning with pupils that teachers do. More meaningless league tables for politicians to drool over and pretend they are actually achieving something.[/p][/quote]Bet you're a teacher - what is it today - another training day or just another holiday? Or just a free lesson at twenty past nine ... and I totally failed my English exams in 1960's but I now learn something every day and today's lesson has been that three dots are grammatically correct but it worries me that I learnt it from a Robot. Keith B
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11:26am Tue 14 May 13

Chipper Dinosaur says...

1950s, 1960s. No apostrophe required.
1950s, 1960s. No apostrophe required. Chipper Dinosaur
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11:29am Tue 14 May 13

Keith B says...

... but it looks so much better.
... but it looks so much better. Keith B
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12:01pm Tue 14 May 13

JaxiB66 says...

Idiot.
Idiot. JaxiB66
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12:55pm Tue 14 May 13

pinkfluff says...

Try not to confuse education with intelligence, different things IMO.
Try not to confuse education with intelligence, different things IMO. pinkfluff
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4:21pm Tue 14 May 13

laidback says...

To strive for betterment is the human condition and those of intelligence will normally seek to improve their education. If Stephen Brown were the owner of a business concern would he wish to employ someone who would demonstrate poor grammar and incorrect punctuation in communication with the professional clients of that business? The hard core of the NUT have an insufficient conception of educating for the needs and welfare of the nation's enterprise and commerce.
To strive for betterment is the human condition and those of intelligence will normally seek to improve their education. If Stephen Brown were the owner of a business concern would he wish to employ someone who would demonstrate poor grammar and incorrect punctuation in communication with the professional clients of that business? The hard core of the NUT have an insufficient conception of educating for the needs and welfare of the nation's enterprise and commerce. laidback
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4:30pm Tue 14 May 13

reflector says...

The sooner he goes, the better but I think that he and/or the party that sponsored him should be made to meet the cost of the resulting by-election.
The sooner he goes, the better but I think that he and/or the party that sponsored him should be made to meet the cost of the resulting by-election. reflector
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4:43pm Tue 14 May 13

i-cycle says...

laidback wrote:
To strive for betterment is the human condition and those of intelligence will normally seek to improve their education. If Stephen Brown were the owner of a business concern would he wish to employ someone who would demonstrate poor grammar and incorrect punctuation in communication with the professional clients of that business? The hard core of the NUT have an insufficient conception of educating for the needs and welfare of the nation's enterprise and commerce.
Depends on the busness and weather you knead to rite nuffin. Init!

This threads about UKIP and alleged racist attitudes.

How's about moving you're 'gramatically correct' discussion onto a more appropriate thread, before we all get bored with it?

If you don't I'll ask that nice and oh so well educated James Cornell (proper GCSEs and a second class degree you know) to wheel out his pen so he can call those who I assume disagree with his views and comment on this website as the real, brainwashed, politically correct (or should that be gramatically correct?) racists.

In case you're reading this James, I'll give you a little clue about how to spot a 'real racist' - he may be wearing a purple rosette!
[quote][p][bold]laidback[/bold] wrote: To strive for betterment is the human condition and those of intelligence will normally seek to improve their education. If Stephen Brown were the owner of a business concern would he wish to employ someone who would demonstrate poor grammar and incorrect punctuation in communication with the professional clients of that business? The hard core of the NUT have an insufficient conception of educating for the needs and welfare of the nation's enterprise and commerce.[/p][/quote]Depends on the busness and weather you knead to rite nuffin. Init! This threads about UKIP and alleged racist attitudes. How's about moving you're 'gramatically correct' discussion onto a more appropriate thread, before we all get bored with it? If you don't I'll ask that nice and oh so well educated James Cornell (proper GCSEs and a second class degree you know) to wheel out his pen so he can call those who I assume disagree with his views and comment on this website as the real, brainwashed, politically correct (or should that be gramatically correct?) racists. In case you're reading this James, I'll give you a little clue about how to spot a 'real racist' - he may be wearing a purple rosette! i-cycle
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5:39pm Tue 14 May 13

laidback says...

I am aware of the original thread thank you i-cycle; my comment merely followed the order of flow. Whom is James Cornell pray tell?
I am aware of the original thread thank you i-cycle; my comment merely followed the order of flow. Whom is James Cornell pray tell? laidback
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6:31pm Tue 14 May 13

The Doosra says...

What this whole sorry saga reveals is how utterly shambolic UKIP's organisation is. Firstly there was the inability of some candidates to properly submit their nomination papers. Secondly there was Mr Delingpole's "hilarious" photoshopped piccie of himself with a certain Mr Hitler. And now Eric Kitson has been revealed to be someone totally beyond the pale.
What this whole sorry saga reveals is how utterly shambolic UKIP's organisation is. Firstly there was the inability of some candidates to properly submit their nomination papers. Secondly there was Mr Delingpole's "hilarious" photoshopped piccie of himself with a certain Mr Hitler. And now Eric Kitson has been revealed to be someone totally beyond the pale. The Doosra
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6:37pm Tue 14 May 13

MrV says...

catcostume wrote:
Why are they only taking petitions around mosques?
They could try taxi ranks as well...
[quote][p][bold]catcostume[/bold] wrote: Why are they only taking petitions around mosques?[/p][/quote]They could try taxi ranks as well... MrV
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6:37pm Tue 14 May 13

MulsanneChap says...

The Doosra wrote:
What this whole sorry saga reveals is how utterly shambolic UKIP's organisation is. Firstly there was the inability of some candidates to properly submit their nomination papers. Secondly there was Mr Delingpole's "hilarious" photoshopped piccie of himself with a certain Mr Hitler. And now Eric Kitson has been revealed to be someone totally beyond the pale.
A friend of mine lives in Stourport which Mr Kitson covers and he said that some of UKIP's campaigning bordered on the right wing in some of areas of the town. This seems to reflects some of the UKIP campaigns elsewhere in Worcestershire prior to the elections if other blogs on other WN articles are anything to go by.
[quote][p][bold]The Doosra[/bold] wrote: What this whole sorry saga reveals is how utterly shambolic UKIP's organisation is. Firstly there was the inability of some candidates to properly submit their nomination papers. Secondly there was Mr Delingpole's "hilarious" photoshopped piccie of himself with a certain Mr Hitler. And now Eric Kitson has been revealed to be someone totally beyond the pale.[/p][/quote]A friend of mine lives in Stourport which Mr Kitson covers and he said that some of UKIP's campaigning bordered on the right wing in some of areas of the town. This seems to reflects some of the UKIP campaigns elsewhere in Worcestershire prior to the elections if other blogs on other WN articles are anything to go by. MulsanneChap
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7:27pm Tue 14 May 13

Keith B says...

So what what do we do - stick with the corrupt established party's - or maybe give some new people a little bit of time to learn the ropes and a little bit of space to make mistakes.

UKIP are not going to play by the rules that the other Party's want them to. That is one reason they are popular. They are taking on the establishment, not doing it's bidding. That is why the establishment is so scared of them.

I love the comment ... "that some of UKIP's campaigning bordered on the right wing in some of areas of the town"

They ARE right wing - that is the whole point of them. Nothing wrong with being right wing just as there's nothing wrong with being left of centre or even really left like Galloway and Skinner.

UKIP will learn, they will get more experienced and will probably get more maverick candidates who will rock the boat. Just what politics needs.

Or do we just keep electing old Etonians and expenses cheats.
So what what do we do - stick with the corrupt established party's - or maybe give some new people a little bit of time to learn the ropes and a little bit of space to make mistakes. UKIP are not going to play by the rules that the other Party's want them to. That is one reason they are popular. They are taking on the establishment, not doing it's bidding. That is why the establishment is so scared of them. I love the comment ... "that some of UKIP's campaigning bordered on the right wing in some of areas of the town" They ARE right wing - that is the whole point of them. Nothing wrong with being right wing just as there's nothing wrong with being left of centre or even really left like Galloway and Skinner. UKIP will learn, they will get more experienced and will probably get more maverick candidates who will rock the boat. Just what politics needs. Or do we just keep electing old Etonians and expenses cheats. Keith B
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8:11pm Tue 14 May 13

i-cycle says...

MulsanneChap wrote:
The Doosra wrote:
What this whole sorry saga reveals is how utterly shambolic UKIP's organisation is. Firstly there was the inability of some candidates to properly submit their nomination papers. Secondly there was Mr Delingpole's "hilarious" photoshopped piccie of himself with a certain Mr Hitler. And now Eric Kitson has been revealed to be someone totally beyond the pale.
A friend of mine lives in Stourport which Mr Kitson covers and he said that some of UKIP's campaigning bordered on the right wing in some of areas of the town. This seems to reflects some of the UKIP campaigns elsewhere in Worcestershire prior to the elections if other blogs on other WN articles are anything to go by.
Surely not?

Eric syas he 'hasn't a racist bone in his body' and I'm sure none of his supporters, canvassers or other candidates such as Worcester's very own lets 'Soldier Boy' Richard Dellingpole, (who only photoshopped himself several times with Hitler as a joke), have any racist feelings against any of the immigrants who came here legally to Britain to do the jobs we don't want to do.

I'm sure they're only concerned to ensure that immigrants don't come to the UK in case those who support other parties don't want them here and won't make them feel welcome.

But who am I to comment when the WN considers me to be a 'real racist', because I occasionally comment on this website in terms that certain reporters don't agree with.

As I said on this website before the May elections, please consider very carefully who and what you're voting for. But more importantly, please do vote.

Despite their strong anti-racist statements UKIP Neil Jukes ( UKIP Chairman Wyre Forest) and ???? (UKIP Chairman Worcester), nor UKIP national didn't get rid of Richard Dellingpole or Eric Kitson from their party, but at least Eric has now done the 'decent' thing and resigned.

Its now really, really important that the electorate in Stourport get out and vote for a candidate that will best represent their interests in services that the County Council has decision making powers over (i.e. not Immigration or Europe) when the by-election happens to replace Mr Kitson.

Please use your vote wisely, but even more importantly please vote.

Only a third of those who could vote in the County elections did so, its really important that more vote in future elections so that we get Councillors who better represent our local interests and for the services they have decision making powers over.
[quote][p][bold]MulsanneChap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Doosra[/bold] wrote: What this whole sorry saga reveals is how utterly shambolic UKIP's organisation is. Firstly there was the inability of some candidates to properly submit their nomination papers. Secondly there was Mr Delingpole's "hilarious" photoshopped piccie of himself with a certain Mr Hitler. And now Eric Kitson has been revealed to be someone totally beyond the pale.[/p][/quote]A friend of mine lives in Stourport which Mr Kitson covers and he said that some of UKIP's campaigning bordered on the right wing in some of areas of the town. This seems to reflects some of the UKIP campaigns elsewhere in Worcestershire prior to the elections if other blogs on other WN articles are anything to go by.[/p][/quote]Surely not? Eric syas he 'hasn't a racist bone in his body' and I'm sure none of his supporters, canvassers or other candidates such as Worcester's very own lets 'Soldier Boy' Richard Dellingpole, (who only photoshopped himself several times with Hitler as a joke), have any racist feelings against any of the immigrants who came here legally to Britain to do the jobs we don't want to do. I'm sure they're only concerned to ensure that immigrants don't come to the UK in case those who support other parties don't want them here and won't make them feel welcome. But who am I to comment when the WN considers me to be a 'real racist', because I occasionally comment on this website in terms that certain reporters don't agree with. As I said on this website before the May elections, please consider very carefully who and what you're voting for. But more importantly, please do vote. Despite their strong anti-racist statements UKIP Neil Jukes ( UKIP Chairman Wyre Forest) and ???? (UKIP Chairman Worcester), nor UKIP national didn't get rid of Richard Dellingpole or Eric Kitson from their party, but at least Eric has now done the 'decent' thing and resigned. Its now really, really important that the electorate in Stourport get out and vote for a candidate that will best represent their interests in services that the County Council has decision making powers over (i.e. not Immigration or Europe) when the by-election happens to replace Mr Kitson. Please use your vote wisely, but even more importantly please vote. Only a third of those who could vote in the County elections did so, its really important that more vote in future elections so that we get Councillors who better represent our local interests and for the services they have decision making powers over. i-cycle
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9:24pm Tue 14 May 13

MulsanneChap says...

MulsanneChap wrote:
The Doosra wrote:
What this whole sorry saga reveals is how utterly shambolic UKIP's organisation is. Firstly there was the inability of some candidates to properly submit their nomination papers. Secondly there was Mr Delingpole's "hilarious" photoshopped piccie of himself with a certain Mr Hitler. And now Eric Kitson has been revealed to be someone totally beyond the pale.
A friend of mine lives in Stourport which Mr Kitson covers and he said that some of UKIP's campaigning bordered on the right wing in some of areas of the town. This seems to reflects some of the UKIP campaigns elsewhere in Worcestershire prior to the elections if other blogs on other WN articles are anything to go by.
Sorry, I was meant to say far right rather than right wing. Either way, as one of the earlier comments said, voters probably know UKIP have a far right element and may be one of he reasons some voted for them. This could suggest that racism is inherent amongst some people and that intolerance to foreign nationals, especially ethnic minorities, is starting to wear thin. I believe there are more people than we care to imagine, or wish to believe, who want to see non nationals and their descendants deported from the UK, and is one reason why they will vote for UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]MulsanneChap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Doosra[/bold] wrote: What this whole sorry saga reveals is how utterly shambolic UKIP's organisation is. Firstly there was the inability of some candidates to properly submit their nomination papers. Secondly there was Mr Delingpole's "hilarious" photoshopped piccie of himself with a certain Mr Hitler. And now Eric Kitson has been revealed to be someone totally beyond the pale.[/p][/quote]A friend of mine lives in Stourport which Mr Kitson covers and he said that some of UKIP's campaigning bordered on the right wing in some of areas of the town. This seems to reflects some of the UKIP campaigns elsewhere in Worcestershire prior to the elections if other blogs on other WN articles are anything to go by.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I was meant to say far right rather than right wing. Either way, as one of the earlier comments said, voters probably know UKIP have a far right element and may be one of he reasons some voted for them. This could suggest that racism is inherent amongst some people and that intolerance to foreign nationals, especially ethnic minorities, is starting to wear thin. I believe there are more people than we care to imagine, or wish to believe, who want to see non nationals and their descendants deported from the UK, and is one reason why they will vote for UKIP. MulsanneChap
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9:39pm Tue 14 May 13

Jabbadad says...

i-cycle if you imagine that local politics aren't controlled by their national party policies you are reading the wrong papers or perhaps comics.
Yes I agree that the two UKIP idiots have done the Party a grave injustice since foremost UKIP voters aren't racist. Sadly they can be charged with putting this country before Europe, unlike the Blues, Reds and Yellows who have been smarting and hiding under their political stones since the elections. But 24% of those who voted can't be totally wrong can they?
And having looked at the definiton of Racist in the Oxford Dictionary it says the doctrine that a certain race is superior to any or all others. Now where have I heard that preached?
So there is absolutely nothing wrong in believing in your own Nationality, in fact it's healthy, since you can do that and still show compassion for others who wish to live among you and contribute to society as well. And it is common sense to worry about uncontrolled Borders, which both Governments have allowed, and the LIB /LAB /DEM/ COM fully support, and Labour won't address and Cameron thinks that the public are stupid enough to believe yet another false promise on the huge problems for us from Europe.
So all you couch politicians think hard before you criticise others eh?
i-cycle if you imagine that local politics aren't controlled by their national party policies you are reading the wrong papers or perhaps comics. Yes I agree that the two UKIP idiots have done the Party a grave injustice since foremost UKIP voters aren't racist. Sadly they can be charged with putting this country before Europe, unlike the Blues, Reds and Yellows who have been smarting and hiding under their political stones since the elections. But 24% of those who voted can't be totally wrong can they? And having looked at the definiton of Racist in the Oxford Dictionary it says the doctrine that a certain race is superior to any or all others. Now where have I heard that preached? So there is absolutely nothing wrong in believing in your own Nationality, in fact it's healthy, since you can do that and still show compassion for others who wish to live among you and contribute to society as well. And it is common sense to worry about uncontrolled Borders, which both Governments have allowed, and the LIB /LAB /DEM/ COM fully support, and Labour won't address and Cameron thinks that the public are stupid enough to believe yet another false promise on the huge problems for us from Europe. So all you couch politicians think hard before you criticise others eh? Jabbadad
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9:49pm Tue 14 May 13

BrownSauce says...

MulsanneChap wrote:
MulsanneChap wrote:
The Doosra wrote:
What this whole sorry saga reveals is how utterly shambolic UKIP's organisation is. Firstly there was the inability of some candidates to properly submit their nomination papers. Secondly there was Mr Delingpole's "hilarious" photoshopped piccie of himself with a certain Mr Hitler. And now Eric Kitson has been revealed to be someone totally beyond the pale.
A friend of mine lives in Stourport which Mr Kitson covers and he said that some of UKIP's campaigning bordered on the right wing in some of areas of the town. This seems to reflects some of the UKIP campaigns elsewhere in Worcestershire prior to the elections if other blogs on other WN articles are anything to go by.
Sorry, I was meant to say far right rather than right wing. Either way, as one of the earlier comments said, voters probably know UKIP have a far right element and may be one of he reasons some voted for them. This could suggest that racism is inherent amongst some people and that intolerance to foreign nationals, especially ethnic minorities, is starting to wear thin. I believe there are more people than we care to imagine, or wish to believe, who want to see non nationals and their descendants deported from the UK, and is one reason why they will vote for UKIP.
Why would anyone want to vote for UKIP for the reasons you give, when UKIP has zero racist policies in its agenda?

Before joining UKIP I visited many meetings and listened. I have never heard a racist comment from members of UKIP and there is no reason to believe that it was laid on special for me, as I am also communicating daily on-line and have seen no racist comments, except when some left-wingers joined the group, left a whole host of racist comments and then informed the press that they should investigate the racist UKIP web site!

How low will these left-wing extremists sink?

There are reports that they are now infiltrating the Green Party with a view to a coup. Should be interesting to watch.
[quote][p][bold]MulsanneChap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MulsanneChap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Doosra[/bold] wrote: What this whole sorry saga reveals is how utterly shambolic UKIP's organisation is. Firstly there was the inability of some candidates to properly submit their nomination papers. Secondly there was Mr Delingpole's "hilarious" photoshopped piccie of himself with a certain Mr Hitler. And now Eric Kitson has been revealed to be someone totally beyond the pale.[/p][/quote]A friend of mine lives in Stourport which Mr Kitson covers and he said that some of UKIP's campaigning bordered on the right wing in some of areas of the town. This seems to reflects some of the UKIP campaigns elsewhere in Worcestershire prior to the elections if other blogs on other WN articles are anything to go by.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I was meant to say far right rather than right wing. Either way, as one of the earlier comments said, voters probably know UKIP have a far right element and may be one of he reasons some voted for them. This could suggest that racism is inherent amongst some people and that intolerance to foreign nationals, especially ethnic minorities, is starting to wear thin. I believe there are more people than we care to imagine, or wish to believe, who want to see non nationals and their descendants deported from the UK, and is one reason why they will vote for UKIP.[/p][/quote]Why would anyone want to vote for UKIP for the reasons you give, when UKIP has zero racist policies in its agenda? Before joining UKIP I visited many meetings and listened. I have never heard a racist comment from members of UKIP and there is no reason to believe that it was laid on special for me, as I am also communicating daily on-line and have seen no racist comments, except when some left-wingers joined the group, left a whole host of racist comments and then informed the press that they should investigate the racist UKIP web site! How low will these left-wing extremists sink? There are reports that they are now infiltrating the Green Party with a view to a coup. Should be interesting to watch. BrownSauce
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10:34pm Tue 14 May 13

Stephen Brown says...

Where does this notion come from that UKIP are in some way 'anti-establishment'
? That's frankly laughable.

Keith B clearly does not want to keep voting in old Etonians and expenses cheats. Hurray for that. I agree.

However, I wonder if he knows that UKIP leader Nigel Farage went to one of the oldest private and most expensive boarding schools in the country and was a commodity dealer in the city. Doesn't sound very 'anti-establishment' to me, in fact, the very opposite. Maybe he's just a little peeved he can't get a slice of the action. Certainly the policies of UKIP (immigration and Europe aside which are designed to be populist and chime with some sections of society), are just as tired as the other parties - pro capitalist, pro-market, pro privatisation, pro-cuts, and hardly 'ordinary people' or 'worker' friendly. All failed policies in the greed rush that have led us to where we are now - economically and socially damaged.

It's just another con trick from another political party seeking power that up to now has escaped close scrutiny. Well thankfully that's about to change. The trouble is, at the moment some are falling for this con trick despite UKIP sitting in the EU, siding with right wing parties over there with well-dodgy views, while moaning about the EU - yet drawing funds from it thank you very much- yea very principled indeed, not. And while UKIP are banging on about immigration and the EU, it seems UKIP are attracting the very people they say are not wanted. Make your bed and lie in it because that is what is happening.

UKIP may not be a racist party constitutionally and I know some of their leadership have foreign wives - locally and nationally - Farage included I believe - so how do they square their policies with that exactly? But whilst immigration, EU and siding with nutters in Europe is on their agenda they should not be surprised at what they end up with in the party. And from what's happened in Worcestershire, there sure seems to be racists in and attracted to their party and some posters on here and on Kidderminster Shuttle pages are being apologists for them or trying to deflect from the issue and point the finger elsewhere. Kitson's response to interview was also shameful.

Delingpole got sussed beforehand, Kitson got sussed afterwards....but how many more are in the closet or being protected? It's hard to believe the local UKIP branches had no idea about it when in Kitson's case he had been active well before the election and it is reported many of his UKIP colleagues shared Facebook friendship with him. So what's the truth exactly?
Where does this notion come from that UKIP are in some way 'anti-establishment' ? That's frankly laughable. Keith B clearly does not want to keep voting in old Etonians and expenses cheats. Hurray for that. I agree. However, I wonder if he knows that UKIP leader Nigel Farage went to one of the oldest private and most expensive boarding schools in the country and was a commodity dealer in the city. Doesn't sound very 'anti-establishment' to me, in fact, the very opposite. Maybe he's just a little peeved he can't get a slice of the action. Certainly the policies of UKIP (immigration and Europe aside which are designed to be populist and chime with some sections of society), are just as tired as the other parties - pro capitalist, pro-market, pro privatisation, pro-cuts, and hardly 'ordinary people' or 'worker' friendly. All failed policies in the greed rush that have led us to where we are now - economically and socially damaged. It's just another con trick from another political party seeking power that up to now has escaped close scrutiny. Well thankfully that's about to change. The trouble is, at the moment some are falling for this con trick despite UKIP sitting in the EU, siding with right wing parties over there with well-dodgy views, while moaning about the EU - yet drawing funds from it thank you very much- yea very principled indeed, not. And while UKIP are banging on about immigration and the EU, it seems UKIP are attracting the very people they say are not wanted. Make your bed and lie in it because that is what is happening. UKIP may not be a racist party constitutionally and I know some of their leadership have foreign wives - locally and nationally - Farage included I believe - so how do they square their policies with that exactly? But whilst immigration, EU and siding with nutters in Europe is on their agenda they should not be surprised at what they end up with in the party. And from what's happened in Worcestershire, there sure seems to be racists in and attracted to their party and some posters on here and on Kidderminster Shuttle pages are being apologists for them or trying to deflect from the issue and point the finger elsewhere. Kitson's response to interview was also shameful. Delingpole got sussed beforehand, Kitson got sussed afterwards....but how many more are in the closet or being protected? It's hard to believe the local UKIP branches had no idea about it when in Kitson's case he had been active well before the election and it is reported many of his UKIP colleagues shared Facebook friendship with him. So what's the truth exactly? Stephen Brown
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10:54pm Tue 14 May 13

The Doosra says...

The trouble with UKIP is that by positioning themselves to the right of the Tories, they are bound to attract some fellow travellers from the fascist/racist end of the spectrum who might see UKIP as an easier way to influence and power than either the BNP or the EDL.

Frankly, UKIP's mangagement of its candidates has been shown to be amateurish and incompetent. Not that I care as I would rather stick needles in my eyes than vote for that shower.
The trouble with UKIP is that by positioning themselves to the right of the Tories, they are bound to attract some fellow travellers from the fascist/racist end of the spectrum who might see UKIP as an easier way to influence and power than either the BNP or the EDL. Frankly, UKIP's mangagement of its candidates has been shown to be amateurish and incompetent. Not that I care as I would rather stick needles in my eyes than vote for that shower. The Doosra
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11:10pm Tue 14 May 13

i-cycle says...

Jabbadad wrote:
i-cycle if you imagine that local politics aren't controlled by their national party policies you are reading the wrong papers or perhaps comics.
Yes I agree that the two UKIP idiots have done the Party a grave injustice since foremost UKIP voters aren't racist. Sadly they can be charged with putting this country before Europe, unlike the Blues, Reds and Yellows who have been smarting and hiding under their political stones since the elections. But 24% of those who voted can't be totally wrong can they?
And having looked at the definiton of Racist in the Oxford Dictionary it says the doctrine that a certain race is superior to any or all others. Now where have I heard that preached?
So there is absolutely nothing wrong in believing in your own Nationality, in fact it's healthy, since you can do that and still show compassion for others who wish to live among you and contribute to society as well. And it is common sense to worry about uncontrolled Borders, which both Governments have allowed, and the LIB /LAB /DEM/ COM fully support, and Labour won't address and Cameron thinks that the public are stupid enough to believe yet another false promise on the huge problems for us from Europe.
So all you couch politicians think hard before you criticise others eh?
Jabbadad

I do believe in and am very proud of my own Nationality, just as I assume all first, second, third, fourth etc etc generation immigrants of whatever creed, colour, sex, sexual orientation or disability that have a UK passport are proud to be British.

What I'm not proud of is those who don't treat any UK citizen as an equal and overtly promote hatred and particulary when based on particular groups in society.

In reality the only true indigenous peoples in the UK are the Scots, Welsh and Cornish, the rest of us are all the result of numerous waves of immigration and/or interbreeding. If you go further back we all originate from Africa.

IMHO I happen to think that immigration has helped make us the successful nation we are. Certainly in entreprenneurial terms its the ethnic minorities that have and will continue to punch above their weight in driving our economy forward.

I don't think anyone disagrees that we need to have immigration policies and limit the numbers coming into the UK. The debate is about what these policies should be and how they are enforced.

What all reasonable people should accept is that those who legally have rights to live here are treated with the same respect, dignity and tolerance that befits a democratic, compassionate and tolerant society.

Frankly I have personal concerns over a party that has such a one dimensional stance on blaming immigration and the EU for all our ills and particularly when a very high percentage of candidates nationally and locally have been exposed as having overt racist tendencies which UKIP at least locally has failed to expel.

UKIP also need to recognise that, whilst it may have got 24% in the recent County Council elections (the majority of the UK population live in the Mets where there were no elections), a lot of this was a protest vote and even then only 1 in 10 of those that could vote voted UKIP.

Whilst I respect UKIP voters rights to vote however they want, it does beg serious questions about whether they actually knew about the individual candidates and policies they were voting for and whether that support will evaporate at future elections.

The by-election at Stourport will obviously be the first opportunity to see whether the local electorate will continue to support a party that stands predominantly on national issues which even its key officials imply have no co-herent policies that party members can agree on ('like herding sheep') and recommend they buy in from a think tank.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: i-cycle if you imagine that local politics aren't controlled by their national party policies you are reading the wrong papers or perhaps comics. Yes I agree that the two UKIP idiots have done the Party a grave injustice since foremost UKIP voters aren't racist. Sadly they can be charged with putting this country before Europe, unlike the Blues, Reds and Yellows who have been smarting and hiding under their political stones since the elections. But 24% of those who voted can't be totally wrong can they? And having looked at the definiton of Racist in the Oxford Dictionary it says the doctrine that a certain race is superior to any or all others. Now where have I heard that preached? So there is absolutely nothing wrong in believing in your own Nationality, in fact it's healthy, since you can do that and still show compassion for others who wish to live among you and contribute to society as well. And it is common sense to worry about uncontrolled Borders, which both Governments have allowed, and the LIB /LAB /DEM/ COM fully support, and Labour won't address and Cameron thinks that the public are stupid enough to believe yet another false promise on the huge problems for us from Europe. So all you couch politicians think hard before you criticise others eh?[/p][/quote]Jabbadad I do believe in and am very proud of my own Nationality, just as I assume all first, second, third, fourth etc etc generation immigrants of whatever creed, colour, sex, sexual orientation or disability that have a UK passport are proud to be British. What I'm not proud of is those who don't treat any UK citizen as an equal and overtly promote hatred and particulary when based on particular groups in society. In reality the only true indigenous peoples in the UK are the Scots, Welsh and Cornish, the rest of us are all the result of numerous waves of immigration and/or interbreeding. If you go further back we all originate from Africa. IMHO I happen to think that immigration has helped make us the successful nation we are. Certainly in entreprenneurial terms its the ethnic minorities that have and will continue to punch above their weight in driving our economy forward. I don't think anyone disagrees that we need to have immigration policies and limit the numbers coming into the UK. The debate is about what these policies should be and how they are enforced. What all reasonable people should accept is that those who legally have rights to live here are treated with the same respect, dignity and tolerance that befits a democratic, compassionate and tolerant society. Frankly I have personal concerns over a party that has such a one dimensional stance on blaming immigration and the EU for all our ills and particularly when a very high percentage of candidates nationally and locally have been exposed as having overt racist tendencies which UKIP at least locally has failed to expel. UKIP also need to recognise that, whilst it may have got 24% in the recent County Council elections (the majority of the UK population live in the Mets where there were no elections), a lot of this was a protest vote and even then only 1 in 10 of those that could vote voted UKIP. Whilst I respect UKIP voters rights to vote however they want, it does beg serious questions about whether they actually knew about the individual candidates and policies they were voting for and whether that support will evaporate at future elections. The by-election at Stourport will obviously be the first opportunity to see whether the local electorate will continue to support a party that stands predominantly on national issues which even its key officials imply have no co-herent policies that party members can agree on ('like herding sheep') and recommend they buy in from a think tank. i-cycle
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11:24pm Tue 14 May 13

i-cycle says...

BrownSauce wrote:
MulsanneChap wrote:
MulsanneChap wrote:
The Doosra wrote:
What this whole sorry saga reveals is how utterly shambolic UKIP's organisation is. Firstly there was the inability of some candidates to properly submit their nomination papers. Secondly there was Mr Delingpole's "hilarious" photoshopped piccie of himself with a certain Mr Hitler. And now Eric Kitson has been revealed to be someone totally beyond the pale.
A friend of mine lives in Stourport which Mr Kitson covers and he said that some of UKIP's campaigning bordered on the right wing in some of areas of the town. This seems to reflects some of the UKIP campaigns elsewhere in Worcestershire prior to the elections if other blogs on other WN articles are anything to go by.
Sorry, I was meant to say far right rather than right wing. Either way, as one of the earlier comments said, voters probably know UKIP have a far right element and may be one of he reasons some voted for them. This could suggest that racism is inherent amongst some people and that intolerance to foreign nationals, especially ethnic minorities, is starting to wear thin. I believe there are more people than we care to imagine, or wish to believe, who want to see non nationals and their descendants deported from the UK, and is one reason why they will vote for UKIP.
Why would anyone want to vote for UKIP for the reasons you give, when UKIP has zero racist policies in its agenda?

Before joining UKIP I visited many meetings and listened. I have never heard a racist comment from members of UKIP and there is no reason to believe that it was laid on special for me, as I am also communicating daily on-line and have seen no racist comments, except when some left-wingers joined the group, left a whole host of racist comments and then informed the press that they should investigate the racist UKIP web site!

How low will these left-wing extremists sink?

There are reports that they are now infiltrating the Green Party with a view to a coup. Should be interesting to watch.
If UKIP have zero racist policies why did they let Richard Dellingpole continue as a candidate after deliberately publishing a photoshopped image of himself with Hitler that he admitted he done sometime previously in reaction to how his friends thought about him. Why did UKIP also wait for Eric Kitson to resign when he was so obvious wrong in posting such vile things on his facebook page.

Of course no political party will make racist comments in public meetings or on-line as to do so would reveal their real motivations and open them up to bad publicity or legal action.

Its not left wing extremists that are undermining UKIP its their own candidates.
[quote][p][bold]BrownSauce[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MulsanneChap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MulsanneChap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Doosra[/bold] wrote: What this whole sorry saga reveals is how utterly shambolic UKIP's organisation is. Firstly there was the inability of some candidates to properly submit their nomination papers. Secondly there was Mr Delingpole's "hilarious" photoshopped piccie of himself with a certain Mr Hitler. And now Eric Kitson has been revealed to be someone totally beyond the pale.[/p][/quote]A friend of mine lives in Stourport which Mr Kitson covers and he said that some of UKIP's campaigning bordered on the right wing in some of areas of the town. This seems to reflects some of the UKIP campaigns elsewhere in Worcestershire prior to the elections if other blogs on other WN articles are anything to go by.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I was meant to say far right rather than right wing. Either way, as one of the earlier comments said, voters probably know UKIP have a far right element and may be one of he reasons some voted for them. This could suggest that racism is inherent amongst some people and that intolerance to foreign nationals, especially ethnic minorities, is starting to wear thin. I believe there are more people than we care to imagine, or wish to believe, who want to see non nationals and their descendants deported from the UK, and is one reason why they will vote for UKIP.[/p][/quote]Why would anyone want to vote for UKIP for the reasons you give, when UKIP has zero racist policies in its agenda? Before joining UKIP I visited many meetings and listened. I have never heard a racist comment from members of UKIP and there is no reason to believe that it was laid on special for me, as I am also communicating daily on-line and have seen no racist comments, except when some left-wingers joined the group, left a whole host of racist comments and then informed the press that they should investigate the racist UKIP web site! How low will these left-wing extremists sink? There are reports that they are now infiltrating the Green Party with a view to a coup. Should be interesting to watch.[/p][/quote]If UKIP have zero racist policies why did they let Richard Dellingpole continue as a candidate after deliberately publishing a photoshopped image of himself with Hitler that he admitted he done sometime previously in reaction to how his friends thought about him. Why did UKIP also wait for Eric Kitson to resign when he was so obvious wrong in posting such vile things on his facebook page. Of course no political party will make racist comments in public meetings or on-line as to do so would reveal their real motivations and open them up to bad publicity or legal action. Its not left wing extremists that are undermining UKIP its their own candidates. i-cycle
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12:43am Wed 15 May 13

Jabbadad says...

Perhaps for the same reason that any, and there have been many politicians who have slipped into the hands of the Media or other political party critics / enemies, yet have been given the chance to explain the situation they find themselves in, it's called innocent until proven guilty. But the two idiots had to go, since they don't represent the core of UKIP.
So all you sad losers who have been made to take political stock of your own parties have heard the new message whether you like it or not, but before you throw stones just look at the behavavour of some of your own politicians who have actually gone to Jail, and those who have kept out by luck or political pressures. eh?
Perhaps for the same reason that any, and there have been many politicians who have slipped into the hands of the Media or other political party critics / enemies, yet have been given the chance to explain the situation they find themselves in, it's called innocent until proven guilty. But the two idiots had to go, since they don't represent the core of UKIP. So all you sad losers who have been made to take political stock of your own parties have heard the new message whether you like it or not, but before you throw stones just look at the behavavour of some of your own politicians who have actually gone to Jail, and those who have kept out by luck or political pressures. eh? Jabbadad
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9:33am Wed 15 May 13

pronstar says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Perhaps for the same reason that any, and there have been many politicians who have slipped into the hands of the Media or other political party critics / enemies, yet have been given the chance to explain the situation they find themselves in, it's called innocent until proven guilty. But the two idiots had to go, since they don't represent the core of UKIP.
So all you sad losers who have been made to take political stock of your own parties have heard the new message whether you like it or not, but before you throw stones just look at the behavavour of some of your own politicians who have actually gone to Jail, and those who have kept out by luck or political pressures. eh?
You took your time in delivering a typically vague response.

So you're still defending the indefensible by suggesting that its okay because there are bad apples in other parties?

Have you even looked at the comments he made on his facebook page?

Why don't you condemn him? Is it because his views are akin to your own?

To suggest his views don't represent the 'core of Ukip' as you put it is naive to say the least otherwise.

Methinks you're the sad loser Jabbadad.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Perhaps for the same reason that any, and there have been many politicians who have slipped into the hands of the Media or other political party critics / enemies, yet have been given the chance to explain the situation they find themselves in, it's called innocent until proven guilty. But the two idiots had to go, since they don't represent the core of UKIP. So all you sad losers who have been made to take political stock of your own parties have heard the new message whether you like it or not, but before you throw stones just look at the behavavour of some of your own politicians who have actually gone to Jail, and those who have kept out by luck or political pressures. eh?[/p][/quote]You took your time in delivering a typically vague response. So you're still defending the indefensible by suggesting that its okay because there are bad apples in other parties? Have you even looked at the comments he made on his facebook page? Why don't you condemn him? Is it because his views are akin to your own? To suggest his views don't represent the 'core of Ukip' as you put it is naive to say the least otherwise. Methinks you're the sad loser Jabbadad. pronstar
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4:00pm Wed 15 May 13

davidcollier1 says...

Good riddance to bad rubbish i say
Good riddance to bad rubbish i say davidcollier1
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4:03pm Wed 15 May 13

davidcollier1 says...

Flash-man wrote:
So, Stourport people vote for a racist, and are surprised when he turns out to be a racist !

This whole episode brings shame on Stourport, and Wyre Forest.

But how many people who voted for him agree with his views, I wonder ?

More than a racist, this horrible little man is also a neo-nazi. And for all those who voted for him, and who start sentences with "I'm not racist, but.....", how does it feel identifying with and supporting the far right, and
neo-nazis ?

I would happily sign any petition to get rid of this abomination of a man. Extremists like him are a cancer on civilised and democratic society.

Eric Kitson. You are a disgrace. You are a racist and a Nazi. You bring shame on yourself, and are an embarrassment. A generation fought against the Nazis, and gave their lives in fighting the far right. And people like you dishonor them, and us.

I wonder if you'll ever show your nazi face on Stourport High Street again ?
Very well said my friend
[quote][p][bold]Flash-man[/bold] wrote: So, Stourport people vote for a racist, and are surprised when he turns out to be a racist ! This whole episode brings shame on Stourport, and Wyre Forest. But how many people who voted for him agree with his views, I wonder ? More than a racist, this horrible little man is also a neo-nazi. And for all those who voted for him, and who start sentences with "I'm not racist, but.....", how does it feel identifying with and supporting the far right, and neo-nazis ? I would happily sign any petition to get rid of this abomination of a man. Extremists like him are a cancer on civilised and democratic society. Eric Kitson. You are a disgrace. You are a racist and a Nazi. You bring shame on yourself, and are an embarrassment. A generation fought against the Nazis, and gave their lives in fighting the far right. And people like you dishonor them, and us. I wonder if you'll ever show your nazi face on Stourport High Street again ?[/p][/quote]Very well said my friend davidcollier1
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7:26pm Wed 15 May 13

Jabbadad says...

pronstar, I will this once break my statement never to respond to you, but when you incorrectly interpret my postings by saying I defend Those two UKIP idiots (as idiots they may well be friends of yours eh) is totally wrong. I have said that they should go without any defence whatsoever. And they DO NOT REPRESENT UKIP.
pronstar, I will this once break my statement never to respond to you, but when you incorrectly interpret my postings by saying I defend Those two UKIP idiots (as idiots they may well be friends of yours eh) is totally wrong. I have said that they should go without any defence whatsoever. And they DO NOT REPRESENT UKIP. Jabbadad
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7:41pm Wed 15 May 13

i-cycle says...

Jabbadad wrote:
pronstar, I will this once break my statement never to respond to you, but when you incorrectly interpret my postings by saying I defend Those two UKIP idiots (as idiots they may well be friends of yours eh) is totally wrong. I have said that they should go without any defence whatsoever. And they DO NOT REPRESENT UKIP.
So with the poor track record UKIP have in terms of checking out the suitability of its candidates for public office and as you say supporting "idiots' how do the public know and how can they trust any of the future UKIP candidates they will be putting up for future local elections?

The fact that neither of them was actually removed from the party by UKIP itself doesn't instill confidence and begs a bigger question about whether UKIP are actually happy to have such 'idiots' on board.

Given what's happened locally, perhaps you'd like to explain what UKIP will now be doing to ensure candidates that don't have racist, homophobic and anti-semitic tendencies are put up for future elections.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: pronstar, I will this once break my statement never to respond to you, but when you incorrectly interpret my postings by saying I defend Those two UKIP idiots (as idiots they may well be friends of yours eh) is totally wrong. I have said that they should go without any defence whatsoever. And they DO NOT REPRESENT UKIP.[/p][/quote]So with the poor track record UKIP have in terms of checking out the suitability of its candidates for public office and as you say supporting "idiots' how do the public know and how can they trust any of the future UKIP candidates they will be putting up for future local elections? The fact that neither of them was actually removed from the party by UKIP itself doesn't instill confidence and begs a bigger question about whether UKIP are actually happy to have such 'idiots' on board. Given what's happened locally, perhaps you'd like to explain what UKIP will now be doing to ensure candidates that don't have racist, homophobic and anti-semitic tendencies are put up for future elections. i-cycle
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11:18pm Wed 15 May 13

Jabbadad says...

Dig deep enough and you will probably find by defintion there are racist,bigots and loose cannons in every party, and as I have said those who do things that make people shudder and also have shamed those who are just decent folk.
And I recognise those who are threatened by the success of UKIP in representing a huge swathe of public opinion have been digging and praying for something to find / uncover and even manufacture to address their own failings.
Nigel Farage constantly comes under attack by those who will become eventual losers. But he carries on because dispite the anti-UKIP postings here and elsewhere the message is out that wise and honest British people want to stem the flood of uncontrolled imigration into this tiny Island. And when I say British people this includes many 1st and 2nd generation imigrants who are honest enough to recognise that Border controls must be in place, since the past governments have miserably failed to address this problem / crisis.
So criticise by all means but also look in the mirror at your own misplaced support.
Dig deep enough and you will probably find by defintion there are racist,bigots and loose cannons in every party, and as I have said those who do things that make people shudder and also have shamed those who are just decent folk. And I recognise those who are threatened by the success of UKIP in representing a huge swathe of public opinion have been digging and praying for something to find / uncover and even manufacture to address their own failings. Nigel Farage constantly comes under attack by those who will become eventual losers. But he carries on because dispite the anti-UKIP postings here and elsewhere the message is out that wise and honest British people want to stem the flood of uncontrolled imigration into this tiny Island. And when I say British people this includes many 1st and 2nd generation imigrants who are honest enough to recognise that Border controls must be in place, since the past governments have miserably failed to address this problem / crisis. So criticise by all means but also look in the mirror at your own misplaced support. Jabbadad
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11:22pm Wed 15 May 13

i-cycle says...

Why's there so much hate in the world?

Wouldn't it be great if we could all get along on this tiny little island/planet.

The problem with bigots is they also get others to take on negative feelings.

I've had enough of such negativity.

Kitson's gone, hooray.

Tomorrow is another day when the sun may shine.

I'll leave you with some John Lennon lyrics:

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
Why's there so much hate in the world? Wouldn't it be great if we could all get along on this tiny little island/planet. The problem with bigots is they also get others to take on negative feelings. I've had enough of such negativity. Kitson's gone, hooray. Tomorrow is another day when the sun may shine. I'll leave you with some John Lennon lyrics: Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today... Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one i-cycle
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11:09am Thu 16 May 13

Keith B says...

Imagine no possessions ....

However Lennon and Ono were and are pretty possessive about their copyright and the vast earnings that comes with it.

I'm not saying that's wrong incidentally, a great artist should be paid for their poetry, just that these were very idealistic words not really based in a real world.

A little like the Green Party ...
Imagine no possessions .... However Lennon and Ono were and are pretty possessive about their copyright and the vast earnings that comes with it. I'm not saying that's wrong incidentally, a great artist should be paid for their poetry, just that these were very idealistic words not really based in a real world. A little like the Green Party ... Keith B
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1:49pm Thu 16 May 13

i-cycle says...

Keith B wrote:
Imagine no possessions ....

However Lennon and Ono were and are pretty possessive about their copyright and the vast earnings that comes with it.

I'm not saying that's wrong incidentally, a great artist should be paid for their poetry, just that these were very idealistic words not really based in a real world.

A little like the Green Party ...
Nice song though!
[quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: Imagine no possessions .... However Lennon and Ono were and are pretty possessive about their copyright and the vast earnings that comes with it. I'm not saying that's wrong incidentally, a great artist should be paid for their poetry, just that these were very idealistic words not really based in a real world. A little like the Green Party ...[/p][/quote]Nice song though! i-cycle
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10:12pm Thu 16 May 13

pronstar says...

Slightly OT but it was nice to see a pleasant reception given to NF in Edinburgh today by our Scottish cousins.
Slightly OT but it was nice to see a pleasant reception given to NF in Edinburgh today by our Scottish cousins. pronstar
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10:24pm Thu 16 May 13

i-cycle says...

pronstar wrote:
Slightly OT but it was nice to see a pleasant reception given to NF in Edinburgh today by our Scottish cousins.
He loves it.

Laughing all the way to the ballot box (or was it the pub?).

I wonder whether he's actually relishing all of the publicity from the exposure of party members as racists, sectarians, anti-semites and homophobes as it only serves to heighten his and the UKIP profile, by keeping up the free press publicity and coverage.

Locally at least UKIP have certainly not gone out of their way to demonstrate their zero tolerance to racists pronouncements.
[quote][p][bold]pronstar[/bold] wrote: Slightly OT but it was nice to see a pleasant reception given to NF in Edinburgh today by our Scottish cousins.[/p][/quote]He loves it. Laughing all the way to the ballot box (or was it the pub?). I wonder whether he's actually relishing all of the publicity from the exposure of party members as racists, sectarians, anti-semites and homophobes as it only serves to heighten his and the UKIP profile, by keeping up the free press publicity and coverage. Locally at least UKIP have certainly not gone out of their way to demonstrate their zero tolerance to racists pronouncements. i-cycle
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1:44pm Sun 19 May 13

laidback says...

You enjoyed seeing Scots racists mouthing their traditional hatred of the "nae guid English" did you pronstar?
You enjoyed seeing Scots racists mouthing their traditional hatred of the "nae guid English" did you pronstar? laidback
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