Outrage over Worcester lap dancing club bid

Worcester News: Outrage over new club plan for Worcester Outrage over new club plan for Worcester

A LAP and pole dancing club featuring naked and topless women could be coming to Worcester.

The raunchy dancers could soon be cavorting all night long after an application was handed in to Worcester City Council licensing chiefs for a ‘sexual entertainment venue’ (SEV) at the former Funk Club in The Butts.

However, a spokesman for the applicant said licensing objectives about prevention of crime and disorder, public safety, prevention of public nuisance and protection of children from harm would be strictly adhered to.

He also said the regulation of such clubs was ‘extremely tight’ and there would be a strict ‘look but do not touch policy’. CCTV and licensed doorstaff would provide security.

He said signs would be ‘discreet’ with no ‘salacious’ photographs on display. He also said the building would need ‘a major refurbishment’ if the licence was granted.

The club, which was originally a lap dancing club called Images, is opposite the iconic Hive, the library and history centre opened by the Queen in July last year.

The application for the licence to the venue which has a working title of ‘Black Cherry’, was handed in on Monday (June 17) by applicant, Ashvin Patel who was described by his spokesman as a businessman who was ‘branching out’.

The venue would be open Monday to Sunday, 7pm to 6am. A 28-day consultation period on the application now begins, closing on July 15.

The proposal provoked concern from retired senior local government official and father-of-three Adam Scott of Laugherne Road, St John’s, Worcester, who spotted the application notice outside the club.

Mr Scott, who regularly uses the Hive and had responsibility for licensing during his career, said: “I was appalled to see that there is an application for a pole dancing club being made on The Butts. It proposes being open for seven days a week, all night long, where men can go for sexual gratification.

“This is completely unsuitable in such a location that is used by many young people and is right opposite the houses of Magdala Court. Whether you agree with the morality of such places or not, it’s something we don't want to see anywhere in the city centre and certainly not here.”

The application has been submitted to Worcestershire regulatory services and will be determined by Worcester City Council’s licensing committee. No date for the meeting has been set yet.

The same site was home to lap dancing club Images around five years ago. There are no SEVs licensed to operate in Worcester at the moment.

Coun Jabba Riaz, vice-chairman of the licensing committee, a police and crime panel member and a ward councillor who represents the city centre, said it was important to be objective about the application as the site had previously been a lap dancing club.

He said: “We have to look at what conditions were put on the previous licence and check what incidents occurred in the area of that premises when it was a lap dancing club.

"We have just built a £60 million Hive right opposite which Her Majesty the Queen opened in a historic and beautiful setting. Would this add to that beautiful, historic setting? Would it add to the character of the area? It is a cultural centre and I don’t think it will do the area any justice at all.

"But we live in a free market economy where anybody can apply for anything but this is where Worcester licensing officers and planning officers have to look at the bigger context of the city and where this sits in the future image we want of Worcester.”

City MP Robin Walker said it was a matter for the licensing committee but added: “I’m sure they will want to look carefully at it and make sure public decency issues are protected.”

The application will be determined under the Policing and Crime Act 2009, which came into force in 2010. The Act sets out the grounds for refusal of an SEV licence application. West Mercia Police will be consulted.

Grounds for refusing the licence could include the applicant being convicted of an offence or if granting the licence would be inappropriate to the character of the area.

Worcester City Council also has the power to attach various conditions if an SEV licence is approved connected to opening hours, displays and advertisements on or in sex establishments, the visibility of the interior of a sex establishment to passers-by and any change of use from one kind of sex establishment to another.

Any residents wishing to give their views on the application should do so in writing by July 15, the day the consultation closes. They can do so by post to WRS, PO Box 866, Worcester WR1 9DP or by email (wrsenquiries@worcsregservices.gov.uk). All correspondence should quote the application reference number 13/00129/SEV.

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11:45am Sun 23 Jun 13

Europeanist64 says...

It's called a "SIM venue" licence:

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It's called a "SIM venue" licence: Sad Inadequate Men Europeanist64

1:11pm Sun 23 Jun 13

WooWoo123 says...

Is everyone being forced to go there? Is that why there's outrage!? As I can't imagine any other reason!
Is everyone being forced to go there? Is that why there's outrage!? As I can't imagine any other reason! WooWoo123

2:14pm Sun 23 Jun 13

lukehawkins12 says...

get over it. it used to be a lap dancing place before
get over it. it used to be a lap dancing place before lukehawkins12

2:16pm Sun 23 Jun 13

lukehawkins12 says...

get over it. it used to be a lap dancing place before
get over it. it used to be a lap dancing place before lukehawkins12

3:58pm Sun 23 Jun 13

Secret agent 46 says...

Europeanist64 wrote:
It's called a "SIM venue" licence:

Sad

Inadequate

Men
Your such a div.... Are you the type of person who turns a film off when there's a sex scene or inappropriate words are said. This is 2013 not 1804.... It's not as if there asking to doit in your livening room, but then people like you have to blame the men that go there. And before you start I'm a happily married man with children and although I don't go to strip clubs but don't have a problem with those that do ...
[quote][p][bold]Europeanist64[/bold] wrote: It's called a "SIM venue" licence: Sad Inadequate Men[/p][/quote]Your such a div.... Are you the type of person who turns a film off when there's a sex scene or inappropriate words are said. This is 2013 not 1804.... It's not as if there asking to doit in your livening room, but then people like you have to blame the men that go there. And before you start I'm a happily married man with children and although I don't go to strip clubs but don't have a problem with those that do ... Secret agent 46

4:03pm Sun 23 Jun 13

drowningnotwaving says...

Outrage? by one ex government worker.
Worcester news turning into a jingo-istic rag.
Outrage? by one ex government worker. Worcester news turning into a jingo-istic rag. drowningnotwaving

4:11pm Sun 23 Jun 13

EricWatson says...

Europeanist64 wrote:
It's called a "SIM venue" licence:

Sad

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Men
Ha ha ha.
How incredibly droll: not.
[quote][p][bold]Europeanist64[/bold] wrote: It's called a "SIM venue" licence: Sad Inadequate Men[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha. How incredibly droll: not. EricWatson

4:37pm Sun 23 Jun 13

davidcollier1 says...

and then you wonder why our low morally instilled community, poor and ethically challenged nation is slipping into the decrepit pit of destruction wherein we view women as mere toys and objects of sexualistic perversion.
and then you wonder why our low morally instilled community, poor and ethically challenged nation is slipping into the decrepit pit of destruction wherein we view women as mere toys and objects of sexualistic perversion. davidcollier1

5:08pm Sun 23 Jun 13

Gloria Renna says...

To Mr Adam Scott, as a parent of 2 children my kids are not walking the street between 7pm and 6am so I do not see what is the big issue, are your children out at this time? If the club brings jobs leading to additional taxes, national insurance, rates and business to the area then is it such a bad thing. These clubs are in many big towns / cities and this used to be such a club before, as long as the police are happy. We need to encourage these closed building to be used again rather than be boarded up eyesores!
To Mr Adam Scott, as a parent of 2 children my kids are not walking the street between 7pm and 6am so I do not see what is the big issue, are your children out at this time? If the club brings jobs leading to additional taxes, national insurance, rates and business to the area then is it such a bad thing. These clubs are in many big towns / cities and this used to be such a club before, as long as the police are happy. We need to encourage these closed building to be used again rather than be boarded up eyesores! Gloria Renna

5:11pm Sun 23 Jun 13

Alexandra17 says...

If a licence to reopen a Lapdancing club at this venue is granted, it will be highly regulated and controlled by the council and Police.
As such, this type of club tends to cause fewer problems of nuisance and disorder. There are about a dozen in Birmingham and not one within 25 miles of Worcester. It's about time there was this option in town. Nobody will be forced to go there! I've been to several with my husband and found them to have a good welcoming atmosphere and I can assure anyone that the dancers and staff are not being exploited or forced to work in them!
I look forward to its opening!
If a licence to reopen a Lapdancing club at this venue is granted, it will be highly regulated and controlled by the council and Police. As such, this type of club tends to cause fewer problems of nuisance and disorder. There are about a dozen in Birmingham and not one within 25 miles of Worcester. It's about time there was this option in town. Nobody will be forced to go there! I've been to several with my husband and found them to have a good welcoming atmosphere and I can assure anyone that the dancers and staff are not being exploited or forced to work in them! I look forward to its opening! Alexandra17

5:16pm Sun 23 Jun 13

Tomshirt39 says...

I live in the Worcester area & my attention has been drawn to his article as I have frequented clubs of this nature before. I think that if done in the right manner, this club will actually be good for the area ie bringing extra jobs & also extra people into the area (which can only result in extra revenue for the businesses in Worcester). At the end of the day from what I understand licensing laws are strict so I would of thought that this club would have to be run correctly if not all of us (the residents of Worcester) can object at the next licensing hearing.

Regards Tom Shirt
I live in the Worcester area & my attention has been drawn to his article as I have frequented clubs of this nature before. I think that if done in the right manner, this club will actually be good for the area ie bringing extra jobs & also extra people into the area (which can only result in extra revenue for the businesses in Worcester). At the end of the day from what I understand licensing laws are strict so I would of thought that this club would have to be run correctly if not all of us (the residents of Worcester) can object at the next licensing hearing. Regards Tom Shirt Tomshirt39

5:18pm Sun 23 Jun 13

Keith B says...

Disgraceful misreporting - who says that The Hive is Iconic.
Disgraceful misreporting - who says that The Hive is Iconic. Keith B

5:46pm Sun 23 Jun 13

jabroner says...

Can`t wait to take the other half there! :D
Can`t wait to take the other half there! :D jabroner

6:19pm Sun 23 Jun 13

pinkfluff says...

Tomshirt39 wrote:
I live in the Worcester area & my attention has been drawn to his article as I have frequented clubs of this nature before. I think that if done in the right manner, this club will actually be good for the area ie bringing extra jobs & also extra people into the area (which can only result in extra revenue for the businesses in Worcester). At the end of the day from what I understand licensing laws are strict so I would of thought that this club would have to be run correctly if not all of us (the residents of Worcester) can object at the next licensing hearing.

Regards Tom Shirt
Ewwww that's icky. IMO
[quote][p][bold]Tomshirt39[/bold] wrote: I live in the Worcester area & my attention has been drawn to his article as I have frequented clubs of this nature before. I think that if done in the right manner, this club will actually be good for the area ie bringing extra jobs & also extra people into the area (which can only result in extra revenue for the businesses in Worcester). At the end of the day from what I understand licensing laws are strict so I would of thought that this club would have to be run correctly if not all of us (the residents of Worcester) can object at the next licensing hearing. Regards Tom Shirt[/p][/quote]Ewwww that's icky. IMO pinkfluff

6:27pm Sun 23 Jun 13

The Hedonist says...

I understand that the council charge a substantial licence fee, amounting to several thousand pounds, for this SEV licence. Many times more than the licence for a pub or nightclub.
If the licence conditions are adhered to what exactly is the problem here?

Will minors be allowed in? No.
Is anyone going to be forced to go into the club? No.
Are women going to be forced to work there and exploited? No.
I for one will be very happy to visit this much needed boost to the club scene in Worcester.
I understand that the council charge a substantial licence fee, amounting to several thousand pounds, for this SEV licence. Many times more than the licence for a pub or nightclub. If the licence conditions are adhered to what exactly is the problem here? Will minors be allowed in? No. Is anyone going to be forced to go into the club? No. Are women going to be forced to work there and exploited? No. I for one will be very happy to visit this much needed boost to the club scene in Worcester. The Hedonist

7:03pm Sun 23 Jun 13

Karennaylor says...

This article has been blown way out of proportion. It complains of women cavorting all night long, who on the outside of a building can see this? So how does that affect me? it doesnt. How does it affect walkers by? it doesnt. How does it affect people sitting in the comfort of their own homes? it doesnt. No one is being forced to go there so why does it affect anyone???

I thought we lived in the UK and believed in a fair trial! These places are open all over the UK and if there was a problem with these venues they would be closed down.

What I think is that people need to leave others to run their own businesses unless it somehow affects our/your lives in a signifiant way which I doubt it does.

I have never been to a strip club before. There are a few around where I live and to be honest, non have ever affected my life in any way!! Ive got kids who are off the streets before 7pm and we all manage to live a normal life.

If the Police and Council agree upon this licence, what is all the commotion over??
This article has been blown way out of proportion. It complains of women cavorting all night long, who on the outside of a building can see this? So how does that affect me? it doesnt. How does it affect walkers by? it doesnt. How does it affect people sitting in the comfort of their own homes? it doesnt. No one is being forced to go there so why does it affect anyone??? I thought we lived in the UK and believed in a fair trial! These places are open all over the UK and if there was a problem with these venues they would be closed down. What I think is that people need to leave others to run their own businesses unless it somehow affects our/your lives in a signifiant way which I doubt it does. I have never been to a strip club before. There are a few around where I live and to be honest, non have ever affected my life in any way!! Ive got kids who are off the streets before 7pm and we all manage to live a normal life. If the Police and Council agree upon this licence, what is all the commotion over?? Karennaylor

7:31pm Sun 23 Jun 13

The Hedonist says...

Well said Karennaylor!
If the proposed club has stated that there will be no "Salacious" photographs on display, presumably on the outside of the building. Why does the Worcester News feel it was necessary to publish a photograph of a scantily clad woman on the front page? Another photograph of a women in underwear pole dancing on this online article that has nothing to do with the application? James Connel, the journalist responsible must have gone out of his way on overtime and spent hours surfing the Net to source these photographs of the women to try and add to the "Outrage"....which when you read the small print amounts to one small minded man, Adam Scott, who failed to be elected to the County Council in May when the voters of St Peters decided that his socialist talents were not required.
I will be in the queue with all of my staff on the opening night :-)
Well said Karennaylor! If the proposed club has stated that there will be no "Salacious" photographs on display, presumably on the outside of the building. Why does the Worcester News feel it was necessary to publish a photograph of a scantily clad woman on the front page? Another photograph of a women in underwear pole dancing on this online article that has nothing to do with the application? James Connel, the journalist responsible must have gone out of his way on overtime and spent hours surfing the Net to source these photographs of the women to try and add to the "Outrage"....which when you read the small print amounts to one small minded man, Adam Scott, who failed to be elected to the County Council in May when the voters of St Peters decided that his socialist talents were not required. I will be in the queue with all of my staff on the opening night :-) The Hedonist

7:39pm Sun 23 Jun 13

CJH says...

I wonder if Adam Scott is familiar with Mark Steel's Mr Cul de Sac? Some people just love to be offended don't they? Exaggerated outrage on whose behalf I wonder? Who is being exploited; the women who dance, or the men who pay for it? Agree that as usual the WN has gone totally overboard on the reporting of this. What a pity they can't stir up this much emotion over more important things.
I wonder if Adam Scott is familiar with Mark Steel's Mr Cul de Sac? Some people just love to be offended don't they? Exaggerated outrage on whose behalf I wonder? Who is being exploited; the women who dance, or the men who pay for it? Agree that as usual the WN has gone totally overboard on the reporting of this. What a pity they can't stir up this much emotion over more important things. CJH

7:43pm Sun 23 Jun 13

TonyN1965 says...

Facts about the industry that the scaremongers hate.

Clubs do not increase crime.
Clubs do not ram advertising down peoples throats.
The regulations covering the clubs protect dancers from being trafficked.
The claims that clubs increase rape have been proved wrong and in the recent license renewal in Northampton the council pointed out that sex crimes have reduced two years on the trot.

So people who are against it tend to make moral judgements and believe their views are more important than any other individuals. So long as clubs are legal in the UK the councils should let the clubs run and close them if they are not following the regulations.
Facts about the industry that the scaremongers hate. Clubs do not increase crime. Clubs do not ram advertising down peoples throats. The regulations covering the clubs protect dancers from being trafficked. The claims that clubs increase rape have been proved wrong and in the recent license renewal in Northampton the council pointed out that sex crimes have reduced two years on the trot. So people who are against it tend to make moral judgements and believe their views are more important than any other individuals. So long as clubs are legal in the UK the councils should let the clubs run and close them if they are not following the regulations. TonyN1965

10:33pm Sun 23 Jun 13

liloliluk says...

From reading the article it appears that there are TWO people objecting to this, and from reading the comments it appears that there are NINETEEN people who don't have a problem with the plans. I hardly think that counts as outrage, do you?

If the one parent who objected has a problem with it, does that mean his children will be trying to get in there? I have a daughter but during the hours that the club will be open she'll be at home, she won't be in the middle of town so it really won't have any impact on her. I really can't see what the problem is, I know it's opposite the hive which was opened by the Queen, but the Queen's not there watching what's going on in the local area is she?

And currently the building looks awful because it's not being used so at least if someone opens it as a club it will be smartened up.
From reading the article it appears that there are TWO people objecting to this, and from reading the comments it appears that there are NINETEEN people who don't have a problem with the plans. I hardly think that counts as outrage, do you? If the one parent who objected has a problem with it, does that mean his children will be trying to get in there? I have a daughter but during the hours that the club will be open she'll be at home, she won't be in the middle of town so it really won't have any impact on her. I really can't see what the problem is, I know it's opposite the hive which was opened by the Queen, but the Queen's not there watching what's going on in the local area is she? And currently the building looks awful because it's not being used so at least if someone opens it as a club it will be smartened up. liloliluk

7:07am Mon 24 Jun 13

TDH123 says...

If anybody is exploited in such establishments it is the men. It is the men who end up handing over copious quantities of cash, receiving nothing more than an ogle or a wiggle of a lap/pole dancer!
If anybody is exploited in such establishments it is the men. It is the men who end up handing over copious quantities of cash, receiving nothing more than an ogle or a wiggle of a lap/pole dancer! TDH123

8:45am Mon 24 Jun 13

Maggie Would says...

Keith B wrote:
Disgraceful misreporting - who says that The Hive is Iconic.
Keith, they have to put the word 'iconic' into every single article now. Virtually every new building now has this label.
.
It's THE LAW!
[quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful misreporting - who says that The Hive is Iconic.[/p][/quote]Keith, they have to put the word 'iconic' into every single article now. Virtually every new building now has this label. . It's THE LAW! Maggie Would

9:22am Mon 24 Jun 13

More Tea Vicar says...

Outrage?

Where?

One bloke voices concern, more like. The actual coverage seemed quite sensible. Why wreck it with such a childish headline?

And the Hive. How does that building seem to get into so many stories?

Why not suggest that the Butts be re-named. could be considered slightly unfortunate, in the circumstances...
Outrage? Where? One bloke voices concern, more like. The actual coverage seemed quite sensible. Why wreck it with such a childish headline? And the Hive. How does that building seem to get into so many stories? Why not suggest that the Butts be re-named. could be considered slightly unfortunate, in the circumstances... More Tea Vicar

9:43am Mon 24 Jun 13

More Tea Vicar says...

....and another thing....

Why does someone being a mother/father of x amount of children seem to get mentioned so often in stories?

What does it add, or take away, from the person's point of view?

In this particular case, the fact that the person concerned has a background in licensing does seem relevant.

But another contributor has pointed out Mr Scott's political leanings and involvement, which might be more relevant still.
....and another thing.... Why does someone being a mother/father of x amount of children seem to get mentioned so often in stories? What does it add, or take away, from the person's point of view? In this particular case, the fact that the person concerned has a background in licensing does seem relevant. But another contributor has pointed out Mr Scott's political leanings and involvement, which might be more relevant still. More Tea Vicar

9:43am Mon 24 Jun 13

scottyh says...

So this company will be making lap dancers up the Butts?

I see no innuendo there.
So this company will be making lap dancers up the Butts? I see no innuendo there. scottyh

9:45am Mon 24 Jun 13

More Tea Vicar says...

Keith B wrote:
Disgraceful misreporting - who says that The Hive is Iconic.
The Council and the newspaper.

Never heard anyone else use that term regarding the building. Plenty of other terms, positive and negative. Just not that.
[quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful misreporting - who says that The Hive is Iconic.[/p][/quote]The Council and the newspaper. Never heard anyone else use that term regarding the building. Plenty of other terms, positive and negative. Just not that. More Tea Vicar

9:47am Mon 24 Jun 13

MG worcester says...

Well it is the Butts.
Well it is the Butts. MG worcester

10:26am Mon 24 Jun 13

More Tea Vicar says...

TDH123 wrote:
If anybody is exploited in such establishments it is the men. It is the men who end up handing over copious quantities of cash, receiving nothing more than an ogle or a wiggle of a lap/pole dancer!
That sounds like the voice of experience and disappointment.....w
ell, it is Monday morning-:(
[quote][p][bold]TDH123[/bold] wrote: If anybody is exploited in such establishments it is the men. It is the men who end up handing over copious quantities of cash, receiving nothing more than an ogle or a wiggle of a lap/pole dancer![/p][/quote]That sounds like the voice of experience and disappointment.....w ell, it is Monday morning-:( More Tea Vicar

10:47am Mon 24 Jun 13

sugarlump says...

disgusting, shouldn't be allowed, terrible for the town - what time will it open?
disgusting, shouldn't be allowed, terrible for the town - what time will it open? sugarlump

1:17pm Mon 24 Jun 13

mr_wilson15 says...

Alexandra17 wrote:
If a licence to reopen a Lapdancing club at this venue is granted, it will be highly regulated and controlled by the council and Police.
As such, this type of club tends to cause fewer problems of nuisance and disorder. There are about a dozen in Birmingham and not one within 25 miles of Worcester. It's about time there was this option in town. Nobody will be forced to go there! I've been to several with my husband and found them to have a good welcoming atmosphere and I can assure anyone that the dancers and staff are not being exploited or forced to work in them!
I look forward to its opening!
I'm sure you will see plenty of Council Staff and Police Officers down there between 7pm and 6am to "regulate" the premises ..... It's a shame you need this kind of establishment in order to stave off boredom in your life!
[quote][p][bold]Alexandra17[/bold] wrote: If a licence to reopen a Lapdancing club at this venue is granted, it will be highly regulated and controlled by the council and Police. As such, this type of club tends to cause fewer problems of nuisance and disorder. There are about a dozen in Birmingham and not one within 25 miles of Worcester. It's about time there was this option in town. Nobody will be forced to go there! I've been to several with my husband and found them to have a good welcoming atmosphere and I can assure anyone that the dancers and staff are not being exploited or forced to work in them! I look forward to its opening![/p][/quote]I'm sure you will see plenty of Council Staff and Police Officers down there between 7pm and 6am to "regulate" the premises ..... It's a shame you need this kind of establishment in order to stave off boredom in your life! mr_wilson15

1:22pm Mon 24 Jun 13

willcampbell says...

sugarlump wrote:
disgusting, shouldn't be allowed, terrible for the town - what time will it open?
You say it's disgusting but still ask what time it will be open? As usually they open late at night around 9 pm when there is hardly anybody about. Also if you were to walk past you wouldn't notice anything anyway. I don't understand what the big deal is, we should encourage new businesses to open in Worcester as it creates further jobs which boosts the economy. We should actually ask ourselves what problem will this establishment actually cause us and the people of Worcester. The answer will be nothing.
[quote][p][bold]sugarlump[/bold] wrote: disgusting, shouldn't be allowed, terrible for the town - what time will it open?[/p][/quote]You say it's disgusting but still ask what time it will be open? As usually they open late at night around 9 pm when there is hardly anybody about. Also if you were to walk past you wouldn't notice anything anyway. I don't understand what the big deal is, we should encourage new businesses to open in Worcester as it creates further jobs which boosts the economy. We should actually ask ourselves what problem will this establishment actually cause us and the people of Worcester. The answer will be nothing. willcampbell

1:36pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Maggie Would says...

willcampbell wrote:
sugarlump wrote:
disgusting, shouldn't be allowed, terrible for the town - what time will it open?
You say it's disgusting but still ask what time it will be open? As usually they open late at night around 9 pm when there is hardly anybody about. Also if you were to walk past you wouldn't notice anything anyway. I don't understand what the big deal is, we should encourage new businesses to open in Worcester as it creates further jobs which boosts the economy. We should actually ask ourselves what problem will this establishment actually cause us and the people of Worcester. The answer will be nothing.
Sugarlump was joking, willcampbell. Sarcasm is never as effective in writing as it is spoken, is it?
[quote][p][bold]willcampbell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sugarlump[/bold] wrote: disgusting, shouldn't be allowed, terrible for the town - what time will it open?[/p][/quote]You say it's disgusting but still ask what time it will be open? As usually they open late at night around 9 pm when there is hardly anybody about. Also if you were to walk past you wouldn't notice anything anyway. I don't understand what the big deal is, we should encourage new businesses to open in Worcester as it creates further jobs which boosts the economy. We should actually ask ourselves what problem will this establishment actually cause us and the people of Worcester. The answer will be nothing.[/p][/quote]Sugarlump was joking, willcampbell. Sarcasm is never as effective in writing as it is spoken, is it? Maggie Would

2:05pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Fran Sheridan says...

I was the manager of this venue when it was Images and we were given a Lap Dancing License for the downstairs of the venue. The upstairs was a normal nightclub and downstairs a Lap Dancing venue back in the 90s. Not once did we call the police to the venue concerning the Lap Dancing venue whilst I was there and I believe afterwards. It was open, granted a license and ran successfully without a problem to its patrons or a bother to the general public. Although Lap Dancing is not my cup of tea I can see no reason why the chap that wants to run it is not granted a license. Its behind closed doors its an over 18s venue and its not if there is big glass window for passers by to look through to see whats going on. One jobsworth sticking their nose in where it doesn't concern them. The guy who wants to run it, I Believe, runs a successful venue like this in another part of the midlands. this is just another business that wishes to expand into the area. Think of the jobs it would create not only in the venue but for suppliers to the venue.
Let the guy get on with it !
I was the manager of this venue when it was Images and we were given a Lap Dancing License for the downstairs of the venue. The upstairs was a normal nightclub and downstairs a Lap Dancing venue back in the 90s. Not once did we call the police to the venue concerning the Lap Dancing venue whilst I was there and I believe afterwards. It was open, granted a license and ran successfully without a problem to its patrons or a bother to the general public. Although Lap Dancing is not my cup of tea I can see no reason why the chap that wants to run it is not granted a license. Its behind closed doors its an over 18s venue and its not if there is big glass window for passers by to look through to see whats going on. One jobsworth sticking their nose in where it doesn't concern them. The guy who wants to run it, I Believe, runs a successful venue like this in another part of the midlands. this is just another business that wishes to expand into the area. Think of the jobs it would create not only in the venue but for suppliers to the venue. Let the guy get on with it ! Fran Sheridan

2:25pm Mon 24 Jun 13

nobby7 says...

Maggie Would wrote:
willcampbell wrote:
sugarlump wrote:
disgusting, shouldn't be allowed, terrible for the town - what time will it open?
You say it's disgusting but still ask what time it will be open? As usually they open late at night around 9 pm when there is hardly anybody about. Also if you were to walk past you wouldn't notice anything anyway. I don't understand what the big deal is, we should encourage new businesses to open in Worcester as it creates further jobs which boosts the economy. We should actually ask ourselves what problem will this establishment actually cause us and the people of Worcester. The answer will be nothing.
Sugarlump was joking, willcampbell. Sarcasm is never as effective in writing as it is spoken, is it?
he he u beat me to it maggie!
[quote][p][bold]Maggie Would[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]willcampbell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sugarlump[/bold] wrote: disgusting, shouldn't be allowed, terrible for the town - what time will it open?[/p][/quote]You say it's disgusting but still ask what time it will be open? As usually they open late at night around 9 pm when there is hardly anybody about. Also if you were to walk past you wouldn't notice anything anyway. I don't understand what the big deal is, we should encourage new businesses to open in Worcester as it creates further jobs which boosts the economy. We should actually ask ourselves what problem will this establishment actually cause us and the people of Worcester. The answer will be nothing.[/p][/quote]Sugarlump was joking, willcampbell. Sarcasm is never as effective in writing as it is spoken, is it?[/p][/quote]he he u beat me to it maggie! nobby7

2:37pm Mon 24 Jun 13

pinkfluff says...

Just for clarification I do not disagree with the application or the entertainment......I just think it's a bit icky.
Just for clarification I do not disagree with the application or the entertainment......I just think it's a bit icky. pinkfluff

3:05pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Andy1955 says...

I think it's very fitting for the area. The Butts. ;-)
I think it's very fitting for the area. The Butts. ;-) Andy1955

3:13pm Mon 24 Jun 13

sugarlump says...

willcampbell wrote:
sugarlump wrote: disgusting, shouldn't be allowed, terrible for the town - what time will it open?
You say it's disgusting but still ask what time it will be open? As usually they open late at night around 9 pm when there is hardly anybody about. Also if you were to walk past you wouldn't notice anything anyway. I don't understand what the big deal is, we should encourage new businesses to open in Worcester as it creates further jobs which boosts the economy. We should actually ask ourselves what problem will this establishment actually cause us and the people of Worcester. The answer will be nothing.
said in jest!!
[quote][p][bold]willcampbell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sugarlump[/bold] wrote: disgusting, shouldn't be allowed, terrible for the town - what time will it open?[/p][/quote]You say it's disgusting but still ask what time it will be open? As usually they open late at night around 9 pm when there is hardly anybody about. Also if you were to walk past you wouldn't notice anything anyway. I don't understand what the big deal is, we should encourage new businesses to open in Worcester as it creates further jobs which boosts the economy. We should actually ask ourselves what problem will this establishment actually cause us and the people of Worcester. The answer will be nothing.[/p][/quote]said in jest!! sugarlump

3:15pm Mon 24 Jun 13

sugarlump says...

Andy1955 wrote:
I think it's very fitting for the area. The Butts. ;-)
luv it!! I think it'll be a good crack!
[quote][p][bold]Andy1955[/bold] wrote: I think it's very fitting for the area. The Butts. ;-)[/p][/quote]luv it!! I think it'll be a good crack! sugarlump

3:16pm Mon 24 Jun 13

sugarlump says...

Maggie Would wrote:
willcampbell wrote:
sugarlump wrote: disgusting, shouldn't be allowed, terrible for the town - what time will it open?
You say it's disgusting but still ask what time it will be open? As usually they open late at night around 9 pm when there is hardly anybody about. Also if you were to walk past you wouldn't notice anything anyway. I don't understand what the big deal is, we should encourage new businesses to open in Worcester as it creates further jobs which boosts the economy. We should actually ask ourselves what problem will this establishment actually cause us and the people of Worcester. The answer will be nothing.
Sugarlump was joking, willcampbell. Sarcasm is never as effective in writing as it is spoken, is it?
thanks maggie - will you be my speech writer?
[quote][p][bold]Maggie Would[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]willcampbell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sugarlump[/bold] wrote: disgusting, shouldn't be allowed, terrible for the town - what time will it open?[/p][/quote]You say it's disgusting but still ask what time it will be open? As usually they open late at night around 9 pm when there is hardly anybody about. Also if you were to walk past you wouldn't notice anything anyway. I don't understand what the big deal is, we should encourage new businesses to open in Worcester as it creates further jobs which boosts the economy. We should actually ask ourselves what problem will this establishment actually cause us and the people of Worcester. The answer will be nothing.[/p][/quote]Sugarlump was joking, willcampbell. Sarcasm is never as effective in writing as it is spoken, is it?[/p][/quote]thanks maggie - will you be my speech writer? sugarlump

4:04pm Mon 24 Jun 13

laidback says...

As the bard wrote - much ado about nothing.
As the bard wrote - much ado about nothing. laidback

7:16pm Mon 24 Jun 13

raq says...

The comments under this article are much better than the article itself, ha ha !
The comments under this article are much better than the article itself, ha ha ! raq

7:31pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Gloria Renna says...

So the building on 'The Butts' beside 'Rack Alley' is to be a gentleman's club, appropriate or good marketing? Good Luck to Mr Patel!
So the building on 'The Butts' beside 'Rack Alley' is to be a gentleman's club, appropriate or good marketing? Good Luck to Mr Patel! Gloria Renna

8:19pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Alexandra17 says...

Good to see such positive responses from people. From a woman's point of view, a well run club is in no way sleazy, sordid or offensive but I honestly feel that anyone should only object if they have a valid point, not just a moral objection to the concept and preferably only if they have actually been inside a club. Only then can you have a valid point and speak from experience, but its unlikely anyone could be offended by beautiful girls dancing gracefully, lets face it this is the UK not Scandinavia or Eastern Europe where licensing conditions may be more lax...
Good to see such positive responses from people. From a woman's point of view, a well run club is in no way sleazy, sordid or offensive but I honestly feel that anyone should only object if they have a valid point, not just a moral objection to the concept and preferably only if they have actually been inside a club. Only then can you have a valid point and speak from experience, but its unlikely anyone could be offended by beautiful girls dancing gracefully, lets face it this is the UK not Scandinavia or Eastern Europe where licensing conditions may be more lax... Alexandra17

11:09pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Ctrl Alt Del says...

I probably will never visit this club or any other similar but I don't have a problem with it existing and if the new owners improve on it's current sorry, dilapidated state then it may become as ICONIC as it's shiny neighbour.
I probably will never visit this club or any other similar but I don't have a problem with it existing and if the new owners improve on it's current sorry, dilapidated state then it may become as ICONIC as it's shiny neighbour. Ctrl Alt Del

9:08am Tue 25 Jun 13

MJI says...

Personally I just don't care, but I will say the saddos do need somewhere to go.
Personally I just don't care, but I will say the saddos do need somewhere to go. MJI

9:10am Tue 25 Jun 13

MJI says...

So how does a laptop dancing club work?
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Will Mac owners be smug, or be dirty?
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Will Windows 8 users get laughed at?
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Will the XP users think at least I am in control?
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Are Linux users allowed?
So how does a laptop dancing club work? . Will Mac owners be smug, or be dirty? . Will Windows 8 users get laughed at? . Will the XP users think at least I am in control? . Are Linux users allowed? MJI

11:03am Tue 25 Jun 13

marcwods says...

Not really the place to have that by an educational place like the hive and door man cause more trouble than punters
Not really the place to have that by an educational place like the hive and door man cause more trouble than punters marcwods

11:05am Tue 25 Jun 13

CJH says...

marcwods wrote:
Not really the place to have that by an educational place like the hive and door man cause more trouble than punters
You sound like someone who's been ejected from a few places by security.
[quote][p][bold]marcwods[/bold] wrote: Not really the place to have that by an educational place like the hive and door man cause more trouble than punters[/p][/quote]You sound like someone who's been ejected from a few places by security. CJH

12:14pm Tue 25 Jun 13

Officer Nordburg says...

Why the outrage nobody is forced to work in it and nobody is forced to go in it. It is a personal choice, if it happens then it gives people a choice about going or working there. If that's how someone wants to spend there money then let them, it is not for me personally but hey good luck Mr Patel of course we could just leave the building empty, decaying and an attraction for squatters and vandals.
Why the outrage nobody is forced to work in it and nobody is forced to go in it. It is a personal choice, if it happens then it gives people a choice about going or working there. If that's how someone wants to spend there money then let them, it is not for me personally but hey good luck Mr Patel of course we could just leave the building empty, decaying and an attraction for squatters and vandals. Officer Nordburg

2:05pm Tue 25 Jun 13

Vox populi says...

Seems Mary Whitehouse and her family live in Worcester.

Good Luck to it. It seems that all the whingers are missing a real point if they are worried - Does it make Worcester a viable stag do venue now? Forget naked ladies think more naked men in the town centre at night.... :-)

Good luck to the owner and all those "poor exploited women" making a mint there.
Seems Mary Whitehouse and her family live in Worcester. Good Luck to it. It seems that all the whingers are missing a real point if they are worried - Does it make Worcester a viable stag do venue now? Forget naked ladies think more naked men in the town centre at night.... :-) Good luck to the owner and all those "poor exploited women" making a mint there. Vox populi

6:51pm Tue 25 Jun 13

vates28 says...

I live in the flats opposite and have done for a number of years when club funk was open the noise was awful, a loud base beat and music loud till 3am is this new license going to guarantee sound proofing the building and minimal noise pollution?
I live in the flats opposite and have done for a number of years when club funk was open the noise was awful, a loud base beat and music loud till 3am is this new license going to guarantee sound proofing the building and minimal noise pollution? vates28

6:51pm Tue 25 Jun 13

vates28 says...

I live in the flats opposite and have done for a number of years when club funk was open the noise was awful, a loud base beat and music loud till 3am is this new license going to guarantee sound proofing the building and minimal noise pollution?
I live in the flats opposite and have done for a number of years when club funk was open the noise was awful, a loud base beat and music loud till 3am is this new license going to guarantee sound proofing the building and minimal noise pollution? vates28

8:23pm Tue 25 Jun 13

Jabbadad says...

vates Sounds like get some ear defenders or your own pole.
But yes when you have that amount of noise at those hours it's no joke. However Richard Uddal will be supporting this application since he once felt that Worcester would become the mecca for night clubs in the midlands,

To those who are dismayed there has to be freedom of choice I am not a churchy person but I don't oppose them and say they shouldn't exist because it's none of my business. And just as said on here many times you don't have to go to the club, and we are not being asked to pay for it like many things we have forced upon us and we don't support.
Having said that I am glad I don't live close by.
vates Sounds like get some ear defenders or your own pole. But yes when you have that amount of noise at those hours it's no joke. However Richard Uddal will be supporting this application since he once felt that Worcester would become the mecca for night clubs in the midlands, To those who are dismayed there has to be freedom of choice I am not a churchy person but I don't oppose them and say they shouldn't exist because it's none of my business. And just as said on here many times you don't have to go to the club, and we are not being asked to pay for it like many things we have forced upon us and we don't support. Having said that I am glad I don't live close by. Jabbadad

11:22pm Tue 25 Jun 13

The Hedonist says...

I also live within 200m of this club. I don't have an issue with it reopening.
I'm personally looking forward to the grant of a licence, in my experience of such establishments (quite considerable!) the sort of music played is much quieter than in a regular nightclub, without the bone jarring bass lines so people actually can talk.
I wouldn't be so enthusiastically supportive if the noise was a nuisance to anyone. Another fact with regard Lapdancing clubs is that customers tend to leave quietly and without being rowdy, unlike many nightclubs.
Lets give them a chance, I'm sure the Council will be keeping a strict eye and ear on them if they grant a licence and I can't see why they shouldn't...
I also live within 200m of this club. I don't have an issue with it reopening. I'm personally looking forward to the grant of a licence, in my experience of such establishments (quite considerable!) the sort of music played is much quieter than in a regular nightclub, without the bone jarring bass lines so people actually can talk. I wouldn't be so enthusiastically supportive if the noise was a nuisance to anyone. Another fact with regard Lapdancing clubs is that customers tend to leave quietly and without being rowdy, unlike many nightclubs. Lets give them a chance, I'm sure the Council will be keeping a strict eye and ear on them if they grant a licence and I can't see why they shouldn't... The Hedonist

12:16am Wed 26 Jun 13

Cecil9995 says...

The place was a nightclub for many years as well as a strip joint for some time so I can't see this being refused regardless of a few whinges. It's out of sight of other bars and clubs so is probably a perfect location for this kind of thing. I don't think it will be competing with The Hive for clientele.
The place was a nightclub for many years as well as a strip joint for some time so I can't see this being refused regardless of a few whinges. It's out of sight of other bars and clubs so is probably a perfect location for this kind of thing. I don't think it will be competing with The Hive for clientele. Cecil9995

11:14am Wed 26 Jun 13

lotusfaery says...

I have no problem with there being a stripclub in Worcester, I just think not there. For many years Images offered a similar service, and also club nights upstairs for students and young people over 18. I myself even visited such student nights (all you can drink for £10!)... But, with the changing face of The Butts and that area, I believe a different sort of venue would benefit the area and keep with the new vibe of the area in relation to the Hive and University. Maybe a stripclub would be better suited to Lowesmoor next to the 'Private Shop'. I think a nice restaurant or cocktail bar/bistro would be beneficial up The Butts. Close to the bus station, car park, University, thus catering for a wider audience, rather than people either seeking out a particular type of entertainment, such as stag do's, or a bunch of students going for curiousity and a laugh. With the rise of high-end dancers and clubs in Birmingham, the demise of Images came about, I believe, as the clientelle would rather venture to Birmingham for their Stag Do's or business man's soiree due to the idea they were better. If it wasn't doing well as a Stripclub 8 years ago or so, I doubt it would do any good now. I had my own sights set on it as a Rock Club, Music venue and cafe bar by day, haha or a La Tasca.... Anyone want to do that instead?!
I have no problem with there being a stripclub in Worcester, I just think not there. For many years Images offered a similar service, and also club nights upstairs for students and young people over 18. I myself even visited such student nights (all you can drink for £10!)... But, with the changing face of The Butts and that area, I believe a different sort of venue would benefit the area and keep with the new vibe of the area in relation to the Hive and University. Maybe a stripclub would be better suited to Lowesmoor next to the 'Private Shop'. I think a nice restaurant or cocktail bar/bistro would be beneficial up The Butts. Close to the bus station, car park, University, thus catering for a wider audience, rather than people either seeking out a particular type of entertainment, such as stag do's, or a bunch of students going for curiousity and a laugh. With the rise of high-end dancers and clubs in Birmingham, the demise of Images came about, I believe, as the clientelle would rather venture to Birmingham for their Stag Do's or business man's soiree due to the idea they were better. If it wasn't doing well as a Stripclub 8 years ago or so, I doubt it would do any good now. I had my own sights set on it as a Rock Club, Music venue and cafe bar by day, haha or a La Tasca.... Anyone want to do that instead?! lotusfaery

11:33am Wed 26 Jun 13

nobby7 says...

I know why not put a costa there instead?
I know why not put a costa there instead? nobby7

12:32pm Wed 26 Jun 13

lotusfaery says...

Hahaha @Nobby7! Don't get me started on my Costa rant again!
Hahaha @Nobby7! Don't get me started on my Costa rant again! lotusfaery

7:15pm Wed 26 Jun 13

Cecil9995 says...

Would be expensive to create a nice restaurant or bar there. You cannot change the fact the place looks like a dive from the outside unless you pull it down. It wasn't much better inside either, bars on the bar. The only good points were the drink promotions and music back in the day.
Would be expensive to create a nice restaurant or bar there. You cannot change the fact the place looks like a dive from the outside unless you pull it down. It wasn't much better inside either, bars on the bar. The only good points were the drink promotions and music back in the day. Cecil9995

7:31pm Wed 26 Jun 13

Andy1955 says...

What about the poor students. I can just picture them as part of their biology course, on their way back from the Hive. Quing up outside clutching a soggy copy of Lady Chatterley's lover.
But seriously, after the promised re-vamp, it should enhance the diversity and Council will make sure it is done tastefully and fits in with the area.
What about the poor students. I can just picture them as part of their biology course, on their way back from the Hive. Quing up outside clutching a soggy copy of Lady Chatterley's lover. But seriously, after the promised re-vamp, it should enhance the diversity and Council will make sure it is done tastefully and fits in with the area. Andy1955

7:33pm Wed 26 Jun 13

Andy1955 says...

Just like the 'Golden Globe' :-)
Just like the 'Golden Globe' :-) Andy1955

3:30am Thu 27 Jun 13

Big Lenny says...

I am a sound and light engineer replying to the person regarding noise ...
There is a British standard in noise pollution 
local authorities will use this and yes some clubs do use sound proofing to stop noise getting out. I honestly know that these places hardly have the type of noise you are thinking about 

And normally nowadays the type of people who open clubs always go by the book and have all the angles covered

So I don't really think there's going to be any problems. I envisage any club opening in 2013 to have less outward noise than 5-10 years ago. I hope that is reassuring to you. Environmental services will be monitoring them and they will in all likely hood have licence conditions to stick to regarding this.
I am a sound and light engineer replying to the person regarding noise ... There is a British standard in noise pollution  local authorities will use this and yes some clubs do use sound proofing to stop noise getting out. I honestly know that these places hardly have the type of noise you are thinking about  And normally nowadays the type of people who open clubs always go by the book and have all the angles covered So I don't really think there's going to be any problems. I envisage any club opening in 2013 to have less outward noise than 5-10 years ago. I hope that is reassuring to you. Environmental services will be monitoring them and they will in all likely hood have licence conditions to stick to regarding this. Big Lenny

7:26pm Thu 27 Jun 13

vates28 says...

Big Lenny wrote:
I am a sound and light engineer replying to the person regarding noise ...
There is a British standard in noise pollution 
local authorities will use this and yes some clubs do use sound proofing to stop noise getting out. I honestly know that these places hardly have the type of noise you are thinking about 

And normally nowadays the type of people who open clubs always go by the book and have all the angles covered

So I don't really think there's going to be any problems. I envisage any club opening in 2013 to have less outward noise than 5-10 years ago. I hope that is reassuring to you. Environmental services will be monitoring them and they will in all likely hood have licence conditions to stick to regarding this.
That does reassure me thank you :-)
[quote][p][bold]Big Lenny[/bold] wrote: I am a sound and light engineer replying to the person regarding noise ... There is a British standard in noise pollution  local authorities will use this and yes some clubs do use sound proofing to stop noise getting out. I honestly know that these places hardly have the type of noise you are thinking about  And normally nowadays the type of people who open clubs always go by the book and have all the angles covered So I don't really think there's going to be any problems. I envisage any club opening in 2013 to have less outward noise than 5-10 years ago. I hope that is reassuring to you. Environmental services will be monitoring them and they will in all likely hood have licence conditions to stick to regarding this.[/p][/quote]That does reassure me thank you :-) vates28

7:53am Fri 28 Jun 13

truth must out says...

vates28 wrote:
I live in the flats opposite and have done for a number of years when club funk was open the noise was awful, a loud base beat and music loud till 3am is this new license going to guarantee sound proofing the building and minimal noise pollution?
When you CHOSE to live in the city centre did you not think it may be a bit noisy at nights.....????? If you want a quiet life move out in to the country.
[quote][p][bold]vates28[/bold] wrote: I live in the flats opposite and have done for a number of years when club funk was open the noise was awful, a loud base beat and music loud till 3am is this new license going to guarantee sound proofing the building and minimal noise pollution?[/p][/quote]When you CHOSE to live in the city centre did you not think it may be a bit noisy at nights.....????? If you want a quiet life move out in to the country. truth must out

7:58am Fri 28 Jun 13

Maggie Would says...

truth must out wrote:
vates28 wrote:
I live in the flats opposite and have done for a number of years when club funk was open the noise was awful, a loud base beat and music loud till 3am is this new license going to guarantee sound proofing the building and minimal noise pollution?
When you CHOSE to live in the city centre did you not think it may be a bit noisy at nights.....????? If you want a quiet life move out in to the country.
Are you kidding? The sound of sheep out here is deafening!
[quote][p][bold]truth must out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vates28[/bold] wrote: I live in the flats opposite and have done for a number of years when club funk was open the noise was awful, a loud base beat and music loud till 3am is this new license going to guarantee sound proofing the building and minimal noise pollution?[/p][/quote]When you CHOSE to live in the city centre did you not think it may be a bit noisy at nights.....????? If you want a quiet life move out in to the country.[/p][/quote]Are you kidding? The sound of sheep out here is deafening! Maggie Would

10:38pm Fri 28 Jun 13

pronstar says...

truth must out wrote:
vates28 wrote:
I live in the flats opposite and have done for a number of years when club funk was open the noise was awful, a loud base beat and music loud till 3am is this new license going to guarantee sound proofing the building and minimal noise pollution?
When you CHOSE to live in the city centre did you not think it may be a bit noisy at nights.....????? If you want a quiet life move out in to the country.
Not everyone has the luxury of being able to choose where they live, knobster.
[quote][p][bold]truth must out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vates28[/bold] wrote: I live in the flats opposite and have done for a number of years when club funk was open the noise was awful, a loud base beat and music loud till 3am is this new license going to guarantee sound proofing the building and minimal noise pollution?[/p][/quote]When you CHOSE to live in the city centre did you not think it may be a bit noisy at nights.....????? If you want a quiet life move out in to the country.[/p][/quote]Not everyone has the luxury of being able to choose where they live, knobster. pronstar

8:58am Sun 30 Jun 13

CityBlueBoy says...

The Worcester News should move there and have an iconic building next to the fantastic Gold Hive !

Images was there way before the Hive so absolute rubbish that it will bring the tone of the area down
The Worcester News should move there and have an iconic building next to the fantastic Gold Hive ! Images was there way before the Hive so absolute rubbish that it will bring the tone of the area down CityBlueBoy

9:31pm Mon 1 Jul 13

jigjonny1231 says...

im 29 stone do u think i will get a job their hope so
im 29 stone do u think i will get a job their hope so jigjonny1231

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