Foie gras off the menu at city eaterie

Worcester News: MENU CHANGE: Brown’s will not be offering foie gras. MENU CHANGE: Brown’s will not be offering foie gras.

A RESTAURANT has bowed to pressure from animal rights campaigners and removed foie gras from its menu.

Brown’s Wine Bar in Quay Street, Worcester, caused a stir with members of the Worcestershire Vegans and Veggies group when it started advertising Christmas menus offering the controversial dish – described by critics as “torture in a tin”.

The group lobbied the riverside venue with letters and e-mails, as well as calling in the support of global animal rights campaigner PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals), which contacted the restaurant directly asking it to consider removing the dish.

Foie gras is made from the liver of a goose or duck that has been specially fattened. It is controversial because of the force-feeding methods commonly used in its production.

Leading stores, including Harvey Nichols and Selfridges, refuse to stock it while celebrities including Kate Winslet, Ricky Gervais and Sir Roger Moore have backed PETA’s campaign against foie gras – the latter calling it “torture in a tin”.

Nic Walsh Gibbons, head chef at Brown’s, said he had no hesitation in pulling foie gras from the Christmas menu as soon as local people expressed their concerns.

He has pledged that it will not appear on any Browns menu again as long as he is in charge.

“We work with the local community, these people live here and they are our customer base,” he said.

“Once I became aware of concerns I had a chat with the manager and we both decided that it was the right thing to do and we took it off the menu straight away.

“It will not appear again in any menu that I produce while I am head chef at Brown’s.”

Yvonne Taylor, senior programmes manager at PETA, praised Brown’s for its quick, decisive action and for setting a “compassionate example” to other restaurants.

“Brown’s’ decision to stop selling foie gras respects the wishes of the vast majority of the public, who want to see an end to the violent practice of force-feeding geese and ducks,” she said.

“PETA hopes any remaining pubs and restaurants in the area still profiting from the abuse of birds will follow Brown’s’ example.”

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4:52pm Tue 3 Sep 13

tub_thumper says...

Good... It's a disgusting way to treat an animal before it is slaughtered. I think Browns has made a good decision there. Well done!
Good... It's a disgusting way to treat an animal before it is slaughtered. I think Browns has made a good decision there. Well done! tub_thumper

6:44pm Tue 3 Sep 13

TDH123 says...

It is a pity, although understable, that Browns has been forced to acquiese to the demands of these shameful bullies. What happened to freedom of choice? Yvonne Taylor blandly and somewhat arrogantly seeks to speak for the public. She certainly does not speak for me nor anybody else who would like to eat foie gras. If her statement was true, market forces would dictate an absence of foie gras on any menu. Rabble like this will only be content when everyone dines out on nut burgers and lentils.
It is a pity, although understable, that Browns has been forced to acquiese to the demands of these shameful bullies. What happened to freedom of choice? Yvonne Taylor blandly and somewhat arrogantly seeks to speak for the public. She certainly does not speak for me nor anybody else who would like to eat foie gras. If her statement was true, market forces would dictate an absence of foie gras on any menu. Rabble like this will only be content when everyone dines out on nut burgers and lentils. TDH123

6:50pm Tue 3 Sep 13

evesham-born&bred says...

publicity stunt !!!!!!!
publicity stunt !!!!!!! evesham-born&bred

6:53pm Tue 3 Sep 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

Where does Yvonne Taylor get “Brown’s’ decision to stop selling foie gras respects the wishes of the vast majority of the public" from - I don't remember anybody polling the citizens of Worcester! This is PETA at it's most dishonest! Let the restaurant put it on the menu (along with a full description on how it is produced) - and then let the diners decide! Personally I would not eat it - but I dislike the PETA bullies and their "animal fundamentalism".
Where does Yvonne Taylor get “Brown’s’ decision to stop selling foie gras respects the wishes of the vast majority of the public" from - I don't remember anybody polling the citizens of Worcester! This is PETA at it's most dishonest! Let the restaurant put it on the menu (along with a full description on how it is produced) - and then let the diners decide! Personally I would not eat it - but I dislike the PETA bullies and their "animal fundamentalism". imustbeoldiwearacap

11:50pm Tue 3 Sep 13

Cecil9995 says...

I dislike geese but the process does seem very cruel and the dish sounds absolutely disgusting.
I dislike geese but the process does seem very cruel and the dish sounds absolutely disgusting. Cecil9995

2:17am Wed 4 Sep 13

tub_thumper says...

TDH123 wrote:
It is a pity, although understable, that Browns has been forced to acquiese to the demands of these shameful bullies. What happened to freedom of choice? Yvonne Taylor blandly and somewhat arrogantly seeks to speak for the public. She certainly does not speak for me nor anybody else who would like to eat foie gras. If her statement was true, market forces would dictate an absence of foie gras on any menu. Rabble like this will only be content when everyone dines out on nut burgers and lentils.
Oh yay to the ignorant that people support animal rights are all vegans and vegetarians. How unintelligent they are!

Although the article states that this is the case, this does not reflect the truth of the general public...

Browns have discontinued foie gras our of their own choice. It was not forced. And besides, would the fate of Worcester really be at jeopardy if foie gras was abolished?

Also, I don't understand why my comment on itherdb down
[quote][p][bold]TDH123[/bold] wrote: It is a pity, although understable, that Browns has been forced to acquiese to the demands of these shameful bullies. What happened to freedom of choice? Yvonne Taylor blandly and somewhat arrogantly seeks to speak for the public. She certainly does not speak for me nor anybody else who would like to eat foie gras. If her statement was true, market forces would dictate an absence of foie gras on any menu. Rabble like this will only be content when everyone dines out on nut burgers and lentils.[/p][/quote]Oh yay to the ignorant that people support animal rights are all vegans and vegetarians. How unintelligent they are! Although the article states that this is the case, this does not reflect the truth of the general public... Browns have discontinued foie gras our of their own choice. It was not forced. And besides, would the fate of Worcester really be at jeopardy if foie gras was abolished? Also, I don't understand why my comment on itherdb down tub_thumper

7:06am Wed 4 Sep 13

TDH123 says...

tub_thumper wrote:
TDH123 wrote:
It is a pity, although understable, that Browns has been forced to acquiese to the demands of these shameful bullies. What happened to freedom of choice? Yvonne Taylor blandly and somewhat arrogantly seeks to speak for the public. She certainly does not speak for me nor anybody else who would like to eat foie gras. If her statement was true, market forces would dictate an absence of foie gras on any menu. Rabble like this will only be content when everyone dines out on nut burgers and lentils.
Oh yay to the ignorant that people support animal rights are all vegans and vegetarians. How unintelligent they are!

Although the article states that this is the case, this does not reflect the truth of the general public...

Browns have discontinued foie gras our of their own choice. It was not forced. And besides, would the fate of Worcester really be at jeopardy if foie gras was abolished?

Also, I don't understand why my comment on itherdb down
The "rabble" to which I referred are the menacing bullies, extremist animal rights groups and individuals, who are inevitably vegans and vegetarians.
What is unintelligent, and extraordinarily naive, is to believe anything other than the fact that Browns had very little option other than to cease offering goir gras to their customers having been placed in such an invidious position.
Some of us "tub_thumper" detest bullying and cherish freedom of choice. It is not for any group, including PETA, to bully businesses and take away an individuals freedom to choose what they eat. It is for elected governments to regulate the proper treatment of livestock, not some pressure group.
[quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TDH123[/bold] wrote: It is a pity, although understable, that Browns has been forced to acquiese to the demands of these shameful bullies. What happened to freedom of choice? Yvonne Taylor blandly and somewhat arrogantly seeks to speak for the public. She certainly does not speak for me nor anybody else who would like to eat foie gras. If her statement was true, market forces would dictate an absence of foie gras on any menu. Rabble like this will only be content when everyone dines out on nut burgers and lentils.[/p][/quote]Oh yay to the ignorant that people support animal rights are all vegans and vegetarians. How unintelligent they are! Although the article states that this is the case, this does not reflect the truth of the general public... Browns have discontinued foie gras our of their own choice. It was not forced. And besides, would the fate of Worcester really be at jeopardy if foie gras was abolished? Also, I don't understand why my comment on itherdb down[/p][/quote]The "rabble" to which I referred are the menacing bullies, extremist animal rights groups and individuals, who are inevitably vegans and vegetarians. What is unintelligent, and extraordinarily naive, is to believe anything other than the fact that Browns had very little option other than to cease offering goir gras to their customers having been placed in such an invidious position. Some of us "tub_thumper" detest bullying and cherish freedom of choice. It is not for any group, including PETA, to bully businesses and take away an individuals freedom to choose what they eat. It is for elected governments to regulate the proper treatment of livestock, not some pressure group. TDH123

8:25am Wed 4 Sep 13

gemma6 says...

TDH123 wrote:
It is a pity, although understable, that Browns has been forced to acquiese to the demands of these shameful bullies. What happened to freedom of choice? Yvonne Taylor blandly and somewhat arrogantly seeks to speak for the public. She certainly does not speak for me nor anybody else who would like to eat foie gras. If her statement was true, market forces would dictate an absence of foie gras on any menu. Rabble like this will only be content when everyone dines out on nut burgers and lentils.
Vegans and vegetarians are not a sub species, you know! I find it depressing that some people have no compassion and continue to support the abhorrent treatment of animals in the production of foie gras. There are so many other delicious things to eat, why is it necessary? Do they really not care or do they not think further than their stomachs?
[quote][p][bold]TDH123[/bold] wrote: It is a pity, although understable, that Browns has been forced to acquiese to the demands of these shameful bullies. What happened to freedom of choice? Yvonne Taylor blandly and somewhat arrogantly seeks to speak for the public. She certainly does not speak for me nor anybody else who would like to eat foie gras. If her statement was true, market forces would dictate an absence of foie gras on any menu. Rabble like this will only be content when everyone dines out on nut burgers and lentils.[/p][/quote]Vegans and vegetarians are not a sub species, you know! I find it depressing that some people have no compassion and continue to support the abhorrent treatment of animals in the production of foie gras. There are so many other delicious things to eat, why is it necessary? Do they really not care or do they not think further than their stomachs? gemma6

9:24am Wed 4 Sep 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

Out of personal choice I will not eat certain products because of the method of production - however not ALL foie gras is produced by the method of forced feeding - just like not all veal is produced inhumanly. it's a matter of information being provided by the producer on the method of production. What I object to is the bullying activities of organisations like PETA - who attempt to blackmail (in this case Browns) retailers/restaurant
s etc into not selling products that they (PETA) consider offensive (what restaurant wants placard waving zealots outside their premises - and this is the tactic PETA and its camp-followers would have used along with more sinister activities) As I said before, if full information on the method of production of a product is given, then market forces will determine whether the "majority" object!
Out of personal choice I will not eat certain products because of the method of production - however not ALL foie gras is produced by the method of forced feeding - just like not all veal is produced inhumanly. it's a matter of information being provided by the producer on the method of production. What I object to is the bullying activities of organisations like PETA - who attempt to blackmail (in this case Browns) retailers/restaurant s etc into not selling products that they (PETA) consider offensive (what restaurant wants placard waving zealots outside their premises - and this is the tactic PETA and its camp-followers would have used along with more sinister activities) As I said before, if full information on the method of production of a product is given, then market forces will determine whether the "majority" object! imustbeoldiwearacap

9:54am Wed 4 Sep 13

tub_thumper says...

TDH123 wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
TDH123 wrote:
It is a pity, although understable, that Browns has been forced to acquiese to the demands of these shameful bullies. What happened to freedom of choice? Yvonne Taylor blandly and somewhat arrogantly seeks to speak for the public. She certainly does not speak for me nor anybody else who would like to eat foie gras. If her statement was true, market forces would dictate an absence of foie gras on any menu. Rabble like this will only be content when everyone dines out on nut burgers and lentils.
Oh yay to the ignorant that people support animal rights are all vegans and vegetarians. How unintelligent they are!

Although the article states that this is the case, this does not reflect the truth of the general public...

Browns have discontinued foie gras our of their own choice. It was not forced. And besides, would the fate of Worcester really be at jeopardy if foie gras was abolished?

Also, I don't understand why my comment on itherdb down
The "rabble" to which I referred are the menacing bullies, extremist animal rights groups and individuals, who are inevitably vegans and vegetarians.
What is unintelligent, and extraordinarily naive, is to believe anything other than the fact that Browns had very little option other than to cease offering goir gras to their customers having been placed in such an invidious position.
Some of us "tub_thumper" detest bullying and cherish freedom of choice. It is not for any group, including PETA, to bully businesses and take away an individuals freedom to choose what they eat. It is for elected governments to regulate the proper treatment of livestock, not some pressure group.
Nic Walsh Gibbons, head chef at Brown’s said:

“We work with the local community, these people live here and they are our customer base... Once I became aware of concerns I had a chat with the manager and we both decided that it was the right thing to do and we took it off the menu straight away. It will not appear again in any menu that I produce while I am head chef at Brown’s.”

He doesn't look that pressured to me. Actually, he seems quite amicable about the whole thing. That is why I said "Well Done" to Browns. They listen to their customer base and they don't get stuck in a time warp by serving food that people don't want to eat. The media and Internet age has made people more aware of what goes in food and how it is produced. Foie Gras has a cruel production - if you don't think it is then there must be something wrong with you. I suggest you look it up on the Internet - you appear to be mislead or in denial; that's more naive than I'll ever be...

Also, Gemma6, I agree with you. Although I am not vegan or vegetarian I still believe that animals have rights (unlike the ignorant out there) to live a happy life without pain or fear. Shoving a tube down the throat of the said bird clearly violates it's rights.

I agree, TDH123, that humans also have the right to eat what they wish. But why are people so ignorant to how the food they eat is produced? Many children don't even know where milk comes from anymore. Even some adults don't even know the difference between root vegetables and crops that grow above the ground. What I am trying to say is that if we keep eating food that we have no idea about then we could be eating all sorts of cr@p. A prime example is Hot Dog sausages in a tin. You would think they were made of pork wouldn't you? Actually, they are 60% mechanically recovered chicken. Research it... I'm all in favour of butchers selling every part of a meat product by creating faggots, pork pies etc; but I don't think they would even contemplate churning up a chicken carcass (bones and all) and selling it in another form to it's customers...

I've gone off the subject there but you get the gist.
[quote][p][bold]TDH123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TDH123[/bold] wrote: It is a pity, although understable, that Browns has been forced to acquiese to the demands of these shameful bullies. What happened to freedom of choice? Yvonne Taylor blandly and somewhat arrogantly seeks to speak for the public. She certainly does not speak for me nor anybody else who would like to eat foie gras. If her statement was true, market forces would dictate an absence of foie gras on any menu. Rabble like this will only be content when everyone dines out on nut burgers and lentils.[/p][/quote]Oh yay to the ignorant that people support animal rights are all vegans and vegetarians. How unintelligent they are! Although the article states that this is the case, this does not reflect the truth of the general public... Browns have discontinued foie gras our of their own choice. It was not forced. And besides, would the fate of Worcester really be at jeopardy if foie gras was abolished? Also, I don't understand why my comment on itherdb down[/p][/quote]The "rabble" to which I referred are the menacing bullies, extremist animal rights groups and individuals, who are inevitably vegans and vegetarians. What is unintelligent, and extraordinarily naive, is to believe anything other than the fact that Browns had very little option other than to cease offering goir gras to their customers having been placed in such an invidious position. Some of us "tub_thumper" detest bullying and cherish freedom of choice. It is not for any group, including PETA, to bully businesses and take away an individuals freedom to choose what they eat. It is for elected governments to regulate the proper treatment of livestock, not some pressure group.[/p][/quote]Nic Walsh Gibbons, head chef at Brown’s said: “We work with the local community, these people live here and they are our customer base... Once I became aware of concerns I had a chat with the manager and we both decided that it was the right thing to do and we took it off the menu straight away. It [foie gras] will not appear again in any menu that I produce while I am head chef at Brown’s.” He doesn't look that pressured to me. Actually, he seems quite amicable about the whole thing. That is why I said "Well Done" to Browns. They listen to their customer base and they don't get stuck in a time warp by serving food that people don't want to eat. The media and Internet age has made people more aware of what goes in food and how it is produced. Foie Gras has a cruel production - if you don't think it is then there must be something wrong with you. I suggest you look it up on the Internet - you appear to be mislead or in denial; that's more naive than I'll ever be... Also, Gemma6, I agree with you. Although I am not vegan or vegetarian I still believe that animals have rights (unlike the ignorant out there) to live a happy life without pain or fear. Shoving a tube down the throat of the said bird clearly violates it's rights. I agree, TDH123, that humans also have the right to eat what they wish. But why are people so ignorant to how the food they eat is produced? Many children don't even know where milk comes from anymore. Even some adults don't even know the difference between root vegetables and crops that grow above the ground. What I am trying to say is that if we keep eating food that we have no idea about then we could be eating all sorts of cr@p. A prime example is Hot Dog sausages in a tin. You would think they were made of pork wouldn't you? Actually, they are 60% mechanically recovered chicken. Research it... I'm all in favour of butchers selling every part of a meat product by creating faggots, pork pies etc; but I don't think they would even contemplate churning up a chicken carcass (bones and all) and selling it in another form to it's customers... I've gone off the subject there but you get the gist. tub_thumper

10:26am Wed 4 Sep 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

tub_thumper you are somewhat naive if you think "He doesn't look that pressured to me. Actually, he seems quite amicable about the whole thing. That is why I said "Well Done" to Browns.somewhat naïve if you think ". Faced with the thought of confronting PETA and the commercial issues that would ensue - he's not got much choice. I would not eat foie gras in France as I know it's going to be as a result of force feeding, however there are other choices that involve natural feeding!
tub_thumper you are somewhat naive if you think "He doesn't look that pressured to me. Actually, he seems quite amicable about the whole thing. That is why I said "Well Done" to Browns.somewhat naïve if you think ". Faced with the thought of confronting PETA and the commercial issues that would ensue - he's not got much choice. I would not eat foie gras in France as I know it's going to be as a result of force feeding, however there are other choices that involve natural feeding! imustbeoldiwearacap

12:30pm Wed 4 Sep 13

Vox populi says...

There is always someone who thinks they know better than your own personal choice sadly....

These people who believe they know what is best, refuse to listen to others and mostly blame it on such things animal rights and religion only ever refer to others as fundamentalists and zealots. ....

Interesting...
There is always someone who thinks they know better than your own personal choice sadly.... These people who believe they know what is best, refuse to listen to others and mostly blame it on such things animal rights and religion only ever refer to others as fundamentalists and zealots. .... Interesting... Vox populi

12:57pm Wed 4 Sep 13

batchelorboy says...

I wonder how many non-animal rights campaigners it would take to lobby together and protest, bombarding Brown's with letters and e-mails, for the foie gras back on the menu.

It works for one rabble, why not the other way around?

I've never tried the stuff, or care about how it's made, which in my view is just the way life goes. Why do we not hear about animal rights campaigners closing down pheasant shoots? Surely being scared half to death that you have to fly hard into the sky only to be shot down again is a lot more 'inhumane' that fattening a goose up!
I wonder how many non-animal rights campaigners it would take to lobby together and protest, bombarding Brown's with letters and e-mails, for the foie gras back on the menu. It works for one rabble, why not the other way around? I've never tried the stuff, or care about how it's made, which in my view is just the way life goes. Why do we not hear about animal rights campaigners closing down pheasant shoots? Surely being scared half to death that you have to fly hard into the sky only to be shot down again is a lot more 'inhumane' that fattening a goose up! batchelorboy

2:31pm Wed 4 Sep 13

tub_thumper says...

batchelorboy wrote:
I wonder how many non-animal rights campaigners it would take to lobby together and protest, bombarding Brown's with letters and e-mails, for the foie gras back on the menu.

It works for one rabble, why not the other way around?

I've never tried the stuff, or care about how it's made, which in my view is just the way life goes. Why do we not hear about animal rights campaigners closing down pheasant shoots? Surely being scared half to death that you have to fly hard into the sky only to be shot down again is a lot more 'inhumane' that fattening a goose up!
You never hear about it because the media doesn't cover it. The media is only interested in large groups in both sides of fox hunting and badger culling because it knows how to carefully select antiprop to creat a divide.

How am I naive, imustbeoldiwearacap? The head chef agreed to listen to his customer base. He has not said anything about it being unfair and detrimental to his business. Even he was "forced" to take foie gras off the menu he went along with it - quite rightfully too.

Also, foie gras that has been produced using alternative methods for fattening up the liver isn't technically foie gras. It's like Americans calling all sparkling white wine is Champagne. It's only Champagne if made in that specific region of France.

The alternative method of "foie gras" involves timing the slaughter of the bird to coincide with the winter migration - when livers are naturally fattened. This has only recently been produced commercially, and is a very small fraction of the market. So even with this method and lack of marketing - resturants are more likely to serve you the traditional produce.
[quote][p][bold]batchelorboy[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many non-animal rights campaigners it would take to lobby together and protest, bombarding Brown's with letters and e-mails, for the foie gras back on the menu. It works for one rabble, why not the other way around? I've never tried the stuff, or care about how it's made, which in my view is just the way life goes. Why do we not hear about animal rights campaigners closing down pheasant shoots? Surely being scared half to death that you have to fly hard into the sky only to be shot down again is a lot more 'inhumane' that fattening a goose up![/p][/quote]You never hear about it because the media doesn't cover it. The media is only interested in large groups in both sides of fox hunting and badger culling because it knows how to carefully select antiprop to creat a divide. How am I naive, imustbeoldiwearacap? The head chef agreed to listen to his customer base. He has not said anything about it being unfair and detrimental to his business. Even he was "forced" to take foie gras off the menu he went along with it - quite rightfully too. Also, foie gras that has been produced using alternative methods for fattening up the liver isn't technically foie gras. It's like Americans calling all sparkling white wine is Champagne. It's only Champagne if made in that specific region of France. The alternative method of "foie gras" involves timing the slaughter of the bird to coincide with the winter migration - when livers are naturally fattened. This has only recently been produced commercially, and is a very small fraction of the market. So even with this method and lack of marketing - resturants are more likely to serve you the traditional produce. tub_thumper

4:54pm Wed 4 Sep 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

"Tub-thumper" So, the chef listened to his customer base? Did the chef talk to his customers - I don't think so! He was backed into a corner by the bullies of PETA! BTW - It's only in France where the style "foie gras" is protected! And as I stated, if the restaurants give a full description of how their "foie gras" is prepared then the "customer base" can form it's own opinion!
"Tub-thumper" So, the chef listened to his customer base? Did the chef talk to his customers - I don't think so! He was backed into a corner by the bullies of PETA! BTW - It's only in France where the style "foie gras" is protected! And as I stated, if the restaurants give a full description of how their "foie gras" is prepared then the "customer base" can form it's own opinion! imustbeoldiwearacap

5:53pm Wed 4 Sep 13

tub_thumper says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
"Tub-thumper" So, the chef listened to his customer base? Did the chef talk to his customers - I don't think so! He was backed into a corner by the bullies of PETA! BTW - It's only in France where the style "foie gras" is protected! And as I stated, if the restaurants give a full description of how their "foie gras" is prepared then the "customer base" can form it's own opinion!
You're right. There's no point in banning things. If you don't like it then don't eat it. But I do wish you wouldn't use propaganda by turning a WN article into something it isn't. You remind me of a religious freak when it comes to picking out bits of the Bible and using it for your own agenda.

"Leading stores, including Harvey Nichols and Selfridges, refuse to stock it while celebrities including Kate Winslet, Ricky Gervais and Sir Roger Moore have backed PETA’s campaign against foie gras – the latter calling it “torture in a tin”."

Where does it say that these stores were bullied into not selling the said product? And, more to the point, where does it say that the Head Chef at Browns was bullied into it too? The veggie group were customers and called in the support of the PTEA. The PTEA then asked Browns if they would "... consider removing the dish" from the menu. Doesn't really look like bullying to me...
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: "Tub-thumper" So, the chef listened to his customer base? Did the chef talk to his customers - I don't think so! He was backed into a corner by the bullies of PETA! BTW - It's only in France where the style "foie gras" is protected! And as I stated, if the restaurants give a full description of how their "foie gras" is prepared then the "customer base" can form it's own opinion![/p][/quote]You're right. There's no point in banning things. If you don't like it then don't eat it. But I do wish you wouldn't use propaganda by turning a WN article into something it isn't. You remind me of a religious freak when it comes to picking out bits of the Bible and using it for your own agenda. "Leading stores, including Harvey Nichols and Selfridges, refuse to stock it while celebrities including Kate Winslet, Ricky Gervais and Sir Roger Moore have backed PETA’s campaign against foie gras – the latter calling it “torture in a tin”." Where does it say that these stores were bullied into not selling the said product? And, more to the point, where does it say that the Head Chef at Browns was bullied into it too? The veggie group were customers and called in the support of the PTEA. The PTEA then asked Browns if they would "... consider removing the dish" from the menu. Doesn't really look like bullying to me... tub_thumper

6:14pm Wed 4 Sep 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

Pot Kettle Black!
Pot Kettle Black! imustbeoldiwearacap

6:17pm Wed 4 Sep 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

BTW the group who started the campaign were NOT customers - read the article - they saw an advert!
BTW the group who started the campaign were NOT customers - read the article - they saw an advert! imustbeoldiwearacap

6:27pm Wed 4 Sep 13

pinkfluff says...

Going back a few years we had national panic over foot and mouth, lots animals slaughtered and burned. Correct me if I'm wrong but I am under the impression that the meat can still be safely consumed.

That said, I do find it remarkable that people are prepared to eat a diseased liver and fight for their right to do so. Fair enough I guess but gross. Puts them in the same bracket as the folk who like to eat unborn rotten chicks straight from the egg. imo.

I totally agree with tub_thumper and gemma6 and what I would like to remind you both is that most of the regular commentors on here can hardly summon up compassion for their fellow homo-sapiens so animals will hardly get a look in lol. It's all about extremes with some people. I'm sure PETA didn't turn up in terrorists masks and frighten management into this decision lol..........reading some of the comments you would believe they did!!

I'm off to stroke some ickle wickle bunnies and hug trees. Have a good evening all.
Going back a few years we had national panic over foot and mouth, lots animals slaughtered and burned. Correct me if I'm wrong but I am under the impression that the meat can still be safely consumed. That said, I do find it remarkable that people are prepared to eat a diseased liver and fight for their right to do so. Fair enough I guess but gross. Puts them in the same bracket as the folk who like to eat unborn rotten chicks straight from the egg. imo. I totally agree with tub_thumper and gemma6 and what I would like to remind you both is that most of the regular commentors on here can hardly summon up compassion for their fellow homo-sapiens so animals will hardly get a look in lol. It's all about extremes with some people. I'm sure PETA didn't turn up in terrorists masks and frighten management into this decision lol..........reading some of the comments you would believe they did!! I'm off to stroke some ickle wickle bunnies and hug trees. Have a good evening all. pinkfluff

6:42pm Wed 4 Sep 13

tub_thumper says...

imustbeoldiwearacap wrote:
BTW the group who started the campaign were NOT customers - read the article - they saw an advert!
Fair enough. Maybe I'm guilty of propaganda too? By looking at a Christmas menu (or advert (?) in your case) makes the veggie group potential customers. Derp!

Anyway, I agree with pinkfluff, propaganda of how a restaurant was bullied into giving up foie gras. Geez... It's like Chinese Wispers around here at the moment!

I too will be found in the same field as pinkfluff - hugging bunnies, stroking badgers, coaxing in sea culls so they can lovingly sit on my shoulders, and teaching foxes to roll over so I can tickle their tummies... 😁 Good evening!
[quote][p][bold]imustbeoldiwearacap[/bold] wrote: BTW the group who started the campaign were NOT customers - read the article - they saw an advert![/p][/quote]Fair enough. Maybe I'm guilty of propaganda too? By looking at a Christmas menu (or advert (?) in your case) makes the veggie group potential customers. Derp! Anyway, I agree with pinkfluff, propaganda of how a restaurant was bullied into giving up foie gras. Geez... It's like Chinese Wispers around here at the moment! I too will be found in the same field as pinkfluff - hugging bunnies, stroking badgers, coaxing in sea culls so they can lovingly sit on my shoulders, and teaching foxes to roll over so I can tickle their tummies... 😁 Good evening! tub_thumper

8:37pm Wed 4 Sep 13

New Kid on the Block says...

Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it.
I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.
Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some. New Kid on the Block

10:44pm Wed 4 Sep 13

tub_thumper says...

New Kid on the Block wrote:
Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it.
I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.
Troll maybe..?

And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there...

Tut tut. Nothing changes...
[quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.[/p][/quote]Troll maybe..? And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there... Tut tut. Nothing changes... tub_thumper

10:53pm Wed 4 Sep 13

batchelorboy says...

tub_thumper wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it.
I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.
Troll maybe..?

And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there...

Tut tut. Nothing changes...
After looking up the actual definition of an internet 'troll', I'd say you were more so a troll than New Kid.

Which of the two comments prompted a response... yours. New Kid's was an on-topic opinion, yours was an off-topic personal opinion of someone.
[quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.[/p][/quote]Troll maybe..? And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there... Tut tut. Nothing changes...[/p][/quote]After looking up the actual definition of an internet 'troll', I'd say you were more so a troll than New Kid. Which of the two comments prompted a response... yours. New Kid's was an on-topic opinion, yours was an off-topic personal opinion of someone. batchelorboy

10:54pm Wed 4 Sep 13

batchelorboy says...

I could in fact call myself a troll just for that comment!
I could in fact call myself a troll just for that comment! batchelorboy

11:21pm Wed 4 Sep 13

tub_thumper says...

batchelorboy wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote:
Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it.
I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.
Troll maybe..?

And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there...

Tut tut. Nothing changes...
After looking up the actual definition of an internet 'troll', I'd say you were more so a troll than New Kid.

Which of the two comments prompted a response... yours. New Kid's was an on-topic opinion, yours was an off-topic personal opinion of someone.
You responded to my comment and it wasn't even aimed at you. And I responded to New Kid for making an off topic. And you have the audacity to call me a troll?

By saying that you'll do something, even though you've never done it before (and by knowing that you're going to agitate someone), I pretty much think that that person is contributing in agitprop - therefore, they are a troll.
[quote][p][bold]batchelorboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.[/p][/quote]Troll maybe..? And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there... Tut tut. Nothing changes...[/p][/quote]After looking up the actual definition of an internet 'troll', I'd say you were more so a troll than New Kid. Which of the two comments prompted a response... yours. New Kid's was an on-topic opinion, yours was an off-topic personal opinion of someone.[/p][/quote]You responded to my comment and it wasn't even aimed at you. And I responded to New Kid for making an off topic. And you have the audacity to call me a troll? By saying that you'll do something, even though you've never done it before (and by knowing that you're going to agitate someone), I pretty much think that that person is contributing in agitprop - therefore, they are a troll. tub_thumper

9:47am Thu 5 Sep 13

Vox populi says...

tub_thumper wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.
Troll maybe..? And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there... Tut tut. Nothing changes...
Yup many of those people barbaric enough to fight for their beliefs to the death which isn't barbaric at all tub? Look up Huntington life science and pretty much all wars... Wonder if Hitler was a vegetarian...

Those who believe their opinion is the best and for the greater good are often the most barbaric of all, you can't have it both ways ;-)

I am ambivilent about Fois Gras, it is ok rather like a meaty rich tuna. Not really my thing but if people wish to eat it who am I to stop them.
I have also seen it being produced in the Dordogne region of France. Your information is incorrect. It is not a tube used to feed the geese but a funnel. They do not choke, gag, scream or any such horror stories as campaigners suggest. They do however waddle around when moving as their stomach are swollen
[quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.[/p][/quote]Troll maybe..? And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there... Tut tut. Nothing changes...[/p][/quote]Yup many of those people barbaric enough to fight for their beliefs to the death which isn't barbaric at all tub? Look up Huntington life science and pretty much all wars... Wonder if Hitler was a vegetarian... Those who believe their opinion is the best and for the greater good are often the most barbaric of all, you can't have it both ways ;-) I am ambivilent about Fois Gras, it is ok rather like a meaty rich tuna. Not really my thing but if people wish to eat it who am I to stop them. I have also seen it being produced in the Dordogne region of France. Your information is incorrect. It is not a tube used to feed the geese but a funnel. They do not choke, gag, scream or any such horror stories as campaigners suggest. They do however waddle around when moving as their stomach are swollen Vox populi

12:05pm Thu 5 Sep 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

Vox populi wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.
Troll maybe..? And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there... Tut tut. Nothing changes...
Yup many of those people barbaric enough to fight for their beliefs to the death which isn't barbaric at all tub? Look up Huntington life science and pretty much all wars... Wonder if Hitler was a vegetarian...

Those who believe their opinion is the best and for the greater good are often the most barbaric of all, you can't have it both ways ;-)

I am ambivilent about Fois Gras, it is ok rather like a meaty rich tuna. Not really my thing but if people wish to eat it who am I to stop them.
I have also seen it being produced in the Dordogne region of France. Your information is incorrect. It is not a tube used to feed the geese but a funnel. They do not choke, gag, scream or any such horror stories as campaigners suggest. They do however waddle around when moving as their stomach are swollen
Whilst just Worcester Vegetarians and Vegans were involved in this issue (this is a current VIVA campaign - they even got Brockencote Hall to get Foie Gras off the menu!) I don't have too much of a problem with their campaigning. However once the terrorist supporting PETA puts their oar in, then my hackles rise! The ends do not justify the means!
[quote][p][bold]Vox populi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.[/p][/quote]Troll maybe..? And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there... Tut tut. Nothing changes...[/p][/quote]Yup many of those people barbaric enough to fight for their beliefs to the death which isn't barbaric at all tub? Look up Huntington life science and pretty much all wars... Wonder if Hitler was a vegetarian... Those who believe their opinion is the best and for the greater good are often the most barbaric of all, you can't have it both ways ;-) I am ambivilent about Fois Gras, it is ok rather like a meaty rich tuna. Not really my thing but if people wish to eat it who am I to stop them. I have also seen it being produced in the Dordogne region of France. Your information is incorrect. It is not a tube used to feed the geese but a funnel. They do not choke, gag, scream or any such horror stories as campaigners suggest. They do however waddle around when moving as their stomach are swollen[/p][/quote]Whilst just Worcester Vegetarians and Vegans were involved in this issue (this is a current VIVA campaign - they even got Brockencote Hall to get Foie Gras off the menu!) I don't have too much of a problem with their campaigning. However once the terrorist supporting PETA puts their oar in, then my hackles rise! The ends do not justify the means! imustbeoldiwearacap

1:01pm Thu 5 Sep 13

MJI says...

Peta

People Eat Tasty Animals
Peta People Eat Tasty Animals MJI

1:05pm Thu 5 Sep 13

Hwicce says...

Vox populi wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.
Troll maybe..? And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there... Tut tut. Nothing changes...
Yup many of those people barbaric enough to fight for their beliefs to the death which isn't barbaric at all tub? Look up Huntington life science and pretty much all wars... Wonder if Hitler was a vegetarian...

Those who believe their opinion is the best and for the greater good are often the most barbaric of all, you can't have it both ways ;-)

I am ambivilent about Fois Gras, it is ok rather like a meaty rich tuna. Not really my thing but if people wish to eat it who am I to stop them.
I have also seen it being produced in the Dordogne region of France. Your information is incorrect. It is not a tube used to feed the geese but a funnel. They do not choke, gag, scream or any such horror stories as campaigners suggest. They do however waddle around when moving as their stomach are swollen
Godwin's Law.
[quote][p][bold]Vox populi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.[/p][/quote]Troll maybe..? And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there... Tut tut. Nothing changes...[/p][/quote]Yup many of those people barbaric enough to fight for their beliefs to the death which isn't barbaric at all tub? Look up Huntington life science and pretty much all wars... Wonder if Hitler was a vegetarian... Those who believe their opinion is the best and for the greater good are often the most barbaric of all, you can't have it both ways ;-) I am ambivilent about Fois Gras, it is ok rather like a meaty rich tuna. Not really my thing but if people wish to eat it who am I to stop them. I have also seen it being produced in the Dordogne region of France. Your information is incorrect. It is not a tube used to feed the geese but a funnel. They do not choke, gag, scream or any such horror stories as campaigners suggest. They do however waddle around when moving as their stomach are swollen[/p][/quote]Godwin's Law. Hwicce

1:19pm Thu 5 Sep 13

tub_thumper says...

Vox populi wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.
Troll maybe..? And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there... Tut tut. Nothing changes...
Yup many of those people barbaric enough to fight for their beliefs to the death which isn't barbaric at all tub? Look up Huntington life science and pretty much all wars... Wonder if Hitler was a vegetarian...

Those who believe their opinion is the best and for the greater good are often the most barbaric of all, you can't have it both ways ;-)

I am ambivilent about Fois Gras, it is ok rather like a meaty rich tuna. Not really my thing but if people wish to eat it who am I to stop them.
I have also seen it being produced in the Dordogne region of France. Your information is incorrect. It is not a tube used to feed the geese but a funnel. They do not choke, gag, scream or any such horror stories as campaigners suggest. They do however waddle around when moving as their stomach are swollen
Hiter was a vegetarian but killed thousands of Jews. Ironic... Based on that "supportive" statement, you're now saying I'm as barbaric as Hilter for sticking up for my beliefs? Oh, chortle...

Oh, and maybe you did see a goose getting fed by a funnel, but I assure you that a tube (gavage) is inserting into the gullet of the said bird and forced fed corn. Just because the bird did not struggle, how do you know that it was not in pain?

A gavage is used in humans to provide nutrition to patients who cannot obtain nutrition by mouth, are unable to swallow safely, or need nutritional supplementation. There are dozens of conditions that may require tube feeding such as prematurity, failure to thrive (or malnutrition), neurologic and neuromuscular disorders, inability to swallow, anatomical and post-surgical malformations of the mouth and esophagus, cancer, and digestive disorders.

Humans need this for medical assistance in prolonging a persons life. Birds do not need assistance with this - it is not a necessity - their livers naturally fatten in the migration process. By force feeding a human will go against their human rights. What rights does poor bird have?

I totally get the fact that animals sacrifice their lives in a humane way to keep humans alive. I like meat too. What I don't get is the pain and tortue which an animal has to endure for the etiquette of a food delicacy...

If you want to eat a bird that has had its liver swollen to many times its normal size which can cause scarring of the esophagus, impaired liver function, expansion of the abdomen (making it difficult for birds to breathe) and death (if the force-feeding is continued) then that's up to you. I wouldn't have the conscious to do it...
[quote][p][bold]Vox populi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.[/p][/quote]Troll maybe..? And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there... Tut tut. Nothing changes...[/p][/quote]Yup many of those people barbaric enough to fight for their beliefs to the death which isn't barbaric at all tub? Look up Huntington life science and pretty much all wars... Wonder if Hitler was a vegetarian... Those who believe their opinion is the best and for the greater good are often the most barbaric of all, you can't have it both ways ;-) I am ambivilent about Fois Gras, it is ok rather like a meaty rich tuna. Not really my thing but if people wish to eat it who am I to stop them. I have also seen it being produced in the Dordogne region of France. Your information is incorrect. It is not a tube used to feed the geese but a funnel. They do not choke, gag, scream or any such horror stories as campaigners suggest. They do however waddle around when moving as their stomach are swollen[/p][/quote]Hiter was a vegetarian but killed thousands of Jews. Ironic... Based on that "supportive" statement, you're now saying I'm as barbaric as Hilter for sticking up for my beliefs? Oh, chortle... Oh, and maybe you did see a goose getting fed by a funnel, but I assure you that a tube (gavage) is inserting into the gullet of the said bird and forced fed corn. Just because the bird did not struggle, how do you know that it was not in pain? A gavage is used in humans to provide nutrition to patients who cannot obtain nutrition by mouth, are unable to swallow safely, or need nutritional supplementation. There are dozens of conditions that may require tube feeding such as prematurity, failure to thrive (or malnutrition), neurologic and neuromuscular disorders, inability to swallow, anatomical and post-surgical malformations of the mouth and esophagus, cancer, and digestive disorders. Humans need this for medical assistance in prolonging a persons life. Birds do not need assistance with this - it is not a necessity - their livers naturally fatten in the migration process. By force feeding a human will go against their human rights. What rights does poor bird have? I totally get the fact that animals sacrifice their lives in a humane way to keep humans alive. I like meat too. What I don't get is the pain and tortue which an animal has to endure for the etiquette of a food delicacy... If you want to eat a bird that has had its liver swollen to many times its normal size which can cause scarring of the esophagus, impaired liver function, expansion of the abdomen (making it difficult for birds to breathe) and death (if the force-feeding is continued) then that's up to you. I wouldn't have the conscious to do it... tub_thumper

1:22pm Thu 5 Sep 13

tub_thumper says...

Hwicce wrote:
Vox populi wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.
Troll maybe..? And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there... Tut tut. Nothing changes...
Yup many of those people barbaric enough to fight for their beliefs to the death which isn't barbaric at all tub? Look up Huntington life science and pretty much all wars... Wonder if Hitler was a vegetarian...

Those who believe their opinion is the best and for the greater good are often the most barbaric of all, you can't have it both ways ;-)

I am ambivilent about Fois Gras, it is ok rather like a meaty rich tuna. Not really my thing but if people wish to eat it who am I to stop them.
I have also seen it being produced in the Dordogne region of France. Your information is incorrect. It is not a tube used to feed the geese but a funnel. They do not choke, gag, scream or any such horror stories as campaigners suggest. They do however waddle around when moving as their stomach are swollen
Godwin's Law.
Haha! Godwin's Law! (Inappropriate use of Nazi activities to support an argument)? Right on! They've lost the argument then. Haha...
[quote][p][bold]Hwicce[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vox populi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.[/p][/quote]Troll maybe..? And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there... Tut tut. Nothing changes...[/p][/quote]Yup many of those people barbaric enough to fight for their beliefs to the death which isn't barbaric at all tub? Look up Huntington life science and pretty much all wars... Wonder if Hitler was a vegetarian... Those who believe their opinion is the best and for the greater good are often the most barbaric of all, you can't have it both ways ;-) I am ambivilent about Fois Gras, it is ok rather like a meaty rich tuna. Not really my thing but if people wish to eat it who am I to stop them. I have also seen it being produced in the Dordogne region of France. Your information is incorrect. It is not a tube used to feed the geese but a funnel. They do not choke, gag, scream or any such horror stories as campaigners suggest. They do however waddle around when moving as their stomach are swollen[/p][/quote]Godwin's Law.[/p][/quote]Haha! Godwin's Law! (Inappropriate use of Nazi activities to support an argument)? Right on! They've lost the argument then. Haha... tub_thumper

1:23pm Thu 5 Sep 13

tub_thumper says...

MJI wrote:
Peta

People Eat Tasty Animals
Another troll... I'm getting bored of this...
[quote][p][bold]MJI[/bold] wrote: Peta People Eat Tasty Animals[/p][/quote]Another troll... I'm getting bored of this... tub_thumper

1:38pm Thu 5 Sep 13

Vox populi says...

tub_thumper wrote:
Hwicce wrote:
Vox populi wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.
Troll maybe..? And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there... Tut tut. Nothing changes...
Yup many of those people barbaric enough to fight for their beliefs to the death which isn't barbaric at all tub? Look up Huntington life science and pretty much all wars... Wonder if Hitler was a vegetarian... Those who believe their opinion is the best and for the greater good are often the most barbaric of all, you can't have it both ways ;-) I am ambivilent about Fois Gras, it is ok rather like a meaty rich tuna. Not really my thing but if people wish to eat it who am I to stop them. I have also seen it being produced in the Dordogne region of France. Your information is incorrect. It is not a tube used to feed the geese but a funnel. They do not choke, gag, scream or any such horror stories as campaigners suggest. They do however waddle around when moving as their stomach are swollen
Godwin's Law.
Haha! Godwin's Law! (Inappropriate use of Nazi activities to support an argument)? Right on! They've lost the argument then. Haha...
Reductio ad Hitlerum
[quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hwicce[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vox populi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.[/p][/quote]Troll maybe..? And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there... Tut tut. Nothing changes...[/p][/quote]Yup many of those people barbaric enough to fight for their beliefs to the death which isn't barbaric at all tub? Look up Huntington life science and pretty much all wars... Wonder if Hitler was a vegetarian... Those who believe their opinion is the best and for the greater good are often the most barbaric of all, you can't have it both ways ;-) I am ambivilent about Fois Gras, it is ok rather like a meaty rich tuna. Not really my thing but if people wish to eat it who am I to stop them. I have also seen it being produced in the Dordogne region of France. Your information is incorrect. It is not a tube used to feed the geese but a funnel. They do not choke, gag, scream or any such horror stories as campaigners suggest. They do however waddle around when moving as their stomach are swollen[/p][/quote]Godwin's Law.[/p][/quote]Haha! Godwin's Law! (Inappropriate use of Nazi activities to support an argument)? Right on! They've lost the argument then. Haha...[/p][/quote]Reductio ad Hitlerum Vox populi

2:08pm Thu 5 Sep 13

pinkfluff says...

Vox populi wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
New Kid on the Block wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.
Troll maybe..? And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there... Tut tut. Nothing changes...
Yup many of those people barbaric enough to fight for their beliefs to the death which isn't barbaric at all tub? Look up Huntington life science and pretty much all wars... Wonder if Hitler was a vegetarian... Those who believe their opinion is the best and for the greater good are often the most barbaric of all, you can't have it both ways ;-) I am ambivilent about Fois Gras, it is ok rather like a meaty rich tuna. Not really my thing but if people wish to eat it who am I to stop them. I have also seen it being produced in the Dordogne region of France. Your information is incorrect. It is not a tube used to feed the geese but a funnel. They do not choke, gag, scream or any such horror stories as campaigners suggest. They do however waddle around when moving as their stomach are swollen
I expect you would also waddle if you had been force fed the equivilent of three large blended sunday dinners.....with a funnel. No taste, no swallowing just there in your stomach, all at once, all of a sudden. Sound yummy??
[quote][p][bold]Vox populi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.[/p][/quote]Troll maybe..? And what a childish way to look at life. With mentality like that then no wonder we have such barbaric people out there... Tut tut. Nothing changes...[/p][/quote]Yup many of those people barbaric enough to fight for their beliefs to the death which isn't barbaric at all tub? Look up Huntington life science and pretty much all wars... Wonder if Hitler was a vegetarian... Those who believe their opinion is the best and for the greater good are often the most barbaric of all, you can't have it both ways ;-) I am ambivilent about Fois Gras, it is ok rather like a meaty rich tuna. Not really my thing but if people wish to eat it who am I to stop them. I have also seen it being produced in the Dordogne region of France. Your information is incorrect. It is not a tube used to feed the geese but a funnel. They do not choke, gag, scream or any such horror stories as campaigners suggest. They do however waddle around when moving as their stomach are swollen[/p][/quote]I expect you would also waddle if you had been force fed the equivilent of three large blended sunday dinners.....with a funnel. No taste, no swallowing just there in your stomach, all at once, all of a sudden. Sound yummy?? pinkfluff

2:52pm Thu 5 Sep 13

Vox populi says...

Well it saves cooking pinkfluff…..
In actual fact geese have only 500ish tastebuds on the back of their tongue so hardly taste anything.
Tub_thumper I do not suggest that you are comparable to Hitler for standing upto your beliefs merely claiming that they are YOUR beliefs and when an organisation such as PETA or any other seeks to force that on other people enmasse then that is wrong. Not all vegetarians or animal activists are right because they believe they are…
Do you believe a bird created and purposely bred for its meat etc should have the same rights as a human. It wouldn't exist without human intervention. Maybe there is a theoretical argument around what kind of life it has and if its better not to have a life at all but in the meantime me and my family are still hungry.
Bigger picture you could even argue that the fatter the geeses liver when slaughtered the less geese they actually need to kill… Guessing economics isn't going to be popular here though
Well it saves cooking pinkfluff….. In actual fact geese have only 500ish tastebuds on the back of their tongue so hardly taste anything. Tub_thumper I do not suggest that you are comparable to Hitler for standing upto your beliefs merely claiming that they are YOUR beliefs and when an organisation such as PETA or any other seeks to force that on other people enmasse then that is wrong. Not all vegetarians or animal activists are right because they believe they are… Do you believe a bird created and purposely bred for its meat etc should have the same rights as a human. It wouldn't exist without human intervention. Maybe there is a theoretical argument around what kind of life it has and if its better not to have a life at all but in the meantime me and my family are still hungry. Bigger picture you could even argue that the fatter the geeses liver when slaughtered the less geese they actually need to kill… Guessing economics isn't going to be popular here though Vox populi

3:58pm Thu 5 Sep 13

Who really cares says...

The easy thing with this is. If you don't want it, don't eat it.

Browns made a choice and so can you. They didn't do it because of the way it is made. They did it because they didn't want to upset their customers. This is purely a business decision and not an ethical one.
The easy thing with this is. If you don't want it, don't eat it. Browns made a choice and so can you. They didn't do it because of the way it is made. They did it because they didn't want to upset their customers. This is purely a business decision and not an ethical one. Who really cares

4:50pm Thu 5 Sep 13

MJI says...

tub_thumper wrote:
MJI wrote:
Peta

People Eat Tasty Animals
Another troll... I'm getting bored of this...
They are a bunch of undesirables, some people think you could even call them terrorists!

Definately not a fan of them!
[quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJI[/bold] wrote: Peta People Eat Tasty Animals[/p][/quote]Another troll... I'm getting bored of this...[/p][/quote]They are a bunch of undesirables, some people think you could even call them terrorists! Definately not a fan of them! MJI

4:53pm Thu 5 Sep 13

MJI says...

Hitler was well known for being a Veggie
Hitler was well known for being a Veggie MJI

7:55pm Thu 5 Sep 13

New Kid on the Block says...

My comment does appear to have stirred a few people into life so perhaps i should explain my reasons for making it a little more thoroughly.
When people such as Peta try to make decisions for me I get annoyed. If there is a moral decision to be taken I an quite capable of taking it myself. I do not wish to live in a nanny state where my decisions are taken for me.
I eat meat so the likes of Peta are never going to agree with my choice.
I prefer to eat wild game, or free range meat, and normally try to avoid intensively reared meat. But, I make my own decisions and by trying to say that i can't have something the likely result is that it is brought to my attention and curiosity being what it is I find myself wondering what does Foie Gras taste like? whereas before it was off my radar. As a result if I saw some on sale I would now be much more likely to try it.
My comment does appear to have stirred a few people into life so perhaps i should explain my reasons for making it a little more thoroughly. When people such as Peta try to make decisions for me I get annoyed. If there is a moral decision to be taken I an quite capable of taking it myself. I do not wish to live in a nanny state where my decisions are taken for me. I eat meat so the likes of Peta are never going to agree with my choice. I prefer to eat wild game, or free range meat, and normally try to avoid intensively reared meat. But, I make my own decisions and by trying to say that i can't have something the likely result is that it is brought to my attention and curiosity being what it is I find myself wondering what does Foie Gras taste like? whereas before it was off my radar. As a result if I saw some on sale I would now be much more likely to try it. New Kid on the Block

8:42am Fri 6 Sep 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

The report above does not give all the facts - for a start, the people who complained were not "customers" - this is part of a continuing campaign by The Worcester Vegans and Veggies, VIVA and PETA. Part of the campaign is to mount demonstrations outside the premises of those serving Foie Gras. Given the history of "animal rights organisations" can you wander that the likes of Browns and Brockencote Hall etc. decide for purely commercial considerations to take Foie Gras off the menu. Whilst I am a carnivore, I do take note of the way the meat/fish on my table is reared and prepared! There are certain products I will not eat, but then this is my choice. Others have different values to me (and I do not consider them to be wrong - just different) and what they eat is their choice. The zealots will not convert by intimidation - education and the giving of full information is the answer - as can be seen by many of the comments - intimidation leads to people digging their heels in!
The report above does not give all the facts - for a start, the people who complained were not "customers" - this is part of a continuing campaign by The Worcester Vegans and Veggies, VIVA and PETA. Part of the campaign is to mount demonstrations outside the premises of those serving Foie Gras. Given the history of "animal rights organisations" can you wander that the likes of Browns and Brockencote Hall etc. decide for purely commercial considerations to take Foie Gras off the menu. Whilst I am a carnivore, I do take note of the way the meat/fish on my table is reared and prepared! There are certain products I will not eat, but then this is my choice. Others have different values to me (and I do not consider them to be wrong - just different) and what they eat is their choice. The zealots will not convert by intimidation - education and the giving of full information is the answer - as can be seen by many of the comments - intimidation leads to people digging their heels in! imustbeoldiwearacap

12:18pm Fri 6 Sep 13

MJI says...

MJI wrote:
Hitler was well known for being a Veggie
True fact so why downvote, I was confirming someone elses post.

Too many idiots in the world it seems.

So what if Hitler was a veggie?

He got mentioned as an if and I just said he was.
[quote][p][bold]MJI[/bold] wrote: Hitler was well known for being a Veggie[/p][/quote]True fact so why downvote, I was confirming someone elses post. Too many idiots in the world it seems. So what if Hitler was a veggie? He got mentioned as an if and I just said he was. MJI

12:20pm Fri 6 Sep 13

MJI says...

MJI wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
MJI wrote:
Peta

People Eat Tasty Animals
Another troll... I'm getting bored of this...
They are a bunch of undesirables, some people think you could even call them terrorists!

Definately not a fan of them!
Just checked - yes classed as terrorists in some parts of the US.
[quote][p][bold]MJI[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJI[/bold] wrote: Peta People Eat Tasty Animals[/p][/quote]Another troll... I'm getting bored of this...[/p][/quote]They are a bunch of undesirables, some people think you could even call them terrorists! Definately not a fan of them![/p][/quote]Just checked - yes classed as terrorists in some parts of the US. MJI

12:44pm Fri 6 Sep 13

pinkfluff says...

MJI wrote:
MJI wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
MJI wrote: Peta People Eat Tasty Animals
Another troll... I'm getting bored of this...
They are a bunch of undesirables, some people think you could even call them terrorists! Definately not a fan of them!
Just checked - yes classed as terrorists in some parts of the US.
LOL and having sex with a horse is legal in some states in the US!! Personally I would take their ideals and opinions with a pinch of salt.

Oh yes and they are also trying to get pizza reclassified as healthy food. The mind boggles.
[quote][p][bold]MJI[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJI[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJI[/bold] wrote: Peta People Eat Tasty Animals[/p][/quote]Another troll... I'm getting bored of this...[/p][/quote]They are a bunch of undesirables, some people think you could even call them terrorists! Definately not a fan of them![/p][/quote]Just checked - yes classed as terrorists in some parts of the US.[/p][/quote]LOL and having sex with a horse is legal in some states in the US!! Personally I would take their ideals and opinions with a pinch of salt. Oh yes and they are also trying to get pizza reclassified as healthy food. The mind boggles. pinkfluff

1:20pm Fri 6 Sep 13

garysparrow says...

Foie gras is nice actually, yes the way they treat the animal before slaughter is a bit "backward" but its a nice pleasent dish.
The people that shouted out regarding this were not and never going to be patrons of browns and decided that they should inform everyone of "the barbaric food that your going to eat" in my opinion peta and the veggie brigade will not be happy until where all eating pulses and rice 3 times a day, if they are that concerned then they should be campaigning outside macdonalds each and every day.
Foie gras is nice actually, yes the way they treat the animal before slaughter is a bit "backward" but its a nice pleasent dish. The people that shouted out regarding this were not and never going to be patrons of browns and decided that they should inform everyone of "the barbaric food that your going to eat" in my opinion peta and the veggie brigade will not be happy until where all eating pulses and rice 3 times a day, if they are that concerned then they should be campaigning outside macdonalds each and every day. garysparrow

1:02pm Sat 7 Sep 13

laidback says...

New Kid on the Block wrote:
Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it.
I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.
I recommend you google eFoodies New Kid; they do an excellent range including Laffite both duck and goose.
[quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: Whenever someone tells me not to do something the more I want to do it. I have never tried Foie Gras but I am starting to wonder where I can buy some.[/p][/quote]I recommend you google eFoodies New Kid; they do an excellent range including Laffite both duck and goose. laidback

8:21am Mon 9 Sep 13

New Kid on the Block says...

eFoodies does seem to have a good range but not cheap. Finefoodspecialist.c
o.uk seems to have a very interesting range but again they are expensive.
They also stock a good range of cheeses. I can't help wonder what the postman would make of a block of strong ripe cheese.
The range of mushrooms is inspiring me to think about foraging for my own. It is a long time since I ate fresh Ceps but I don't fancy paying £48 per kilo.
There is some lovely food available over the internet; far better than typical Supermarket cardboard but it does come at a serious premium. Better to grow what you can, forage what you can, and buy a small amount of quality produce when you can afford it.
eFoodies does seem to have a good range but not cheap. Finefoodspecialist.c o.uk seems to have a very interesting range but again they are expensive. They also stock a good range of cheeses. I can't help wonder what the postman would make of a block of strong ripe cheese. The range of mushrooms is inspiring me to think about foraging for my own. It is a long time since I ate fresh Ceps but I don't fancy paying £48 per kilo. There is some lovely food available over the internet; far better than typical Supermarket cardboard but it does come at a serious premium. Better to grow what you can, forage what you can, and buy a small amount of quality produce when you can afford it. New Kid on the Block

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