Gritters on standby throughout Worcestershire from next week

Worcester News: Worcestershire County Council cabinet member for highways and transport Coun John Smith OBE with winter maintenance supervisor Anthony Agate Worcestershire County Council cabinet member for highways and transport Coun John Smith OBE with winter maintenance supervisor Anthony Agate

BRACE yourself – winter is coming.

Final preparations are being made to Worcestershire County Council’s fleet of gritting vehicles, which will go on standby on Tuesday, October 15.

Depots across the county have been stoked up with 13,000 tonnes of salt ready to spread on 1,500 miles of highway and teams are checking all the 1,233 grit bins have been filled.

Last year was the busiest ever for the teams, who drove 62,149 miles – the equivalent to travelling along the equator two and a half times – over the winter months.

The council’s cabinet member for highways and transport Coun John Smith OBE said: "It's always amazing just how quickly this time of year seems to come around.

"It was great to see so many messages of support coming through for the teams when freezing conditions were at the worst in January and February.

“I know that meant a lot and helped keep them going through the nights, whilst we were all tucked up in our beds.

“We all appreciate their efforts and, once again, I'm sure they'll be very much up to the challenge of facing whatever the season has in store.”

But he added grit should not be considered a ‘miracle’ fix.

“Even when roads have been treated it's never safe to assume you can travel at normal speeds during adverse weather,” he said.

“The message is still the same – take care on the roads when temperatures drop."

All the council’s vehicles are fitted with technology which treats salt with brine solution before it is placed on roads, helping it work quicker and reducing waste.

Interactive maps will be available at worcestershire.gov.uk/gritting where residents will be able to find their nearest grit bin and quickly report problems at the county council’s twitter account @worcscc will provide live updates on gritting.

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3:19pm Fri 11 Oct 13

tub_thumper says...

Will they run out of grit this year I wonder?
Will they run out of grit this year I wonder? tub_thumper

4:11pm Fri 11 Oct 13

Letterman says...

tub_thumper wrote:
Will they run out of grit this year I wonder?
After years of constant failings and inadequate gritting over the years, can we now finally expect a sterling service and have all roads and pavements gritted this time? After all, that is what we pay our council taxes for.
[quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: Will they run out of grit this year I wonder?[/p][/quote]After years of constant failings and inadequate gritting over the years, can we now finally expect a sterling service and have all roads and pavements gritted this time? After all, that is what we pay our council taxes for. Letterman

6:47pm Fri 11 Oct 13

The Doosra says...

Letterman wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
Will they run out of grit this year I wonder?
After years of constant failings and inadequate gritting over the years, can we now finally expect a sterling service and have all roads and pavements gritted this time? After all, that is what we pay our council taxes for.
I doubt if there's a single council in the country that grits ALL of its roads and ALL of its footpaths ALL the time in winter. You would be the first one to complain about the increased cost of employing the required labour. You really do need to engage brain before committing yourself to print.
[quote][p][bold]Letterman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: Will they run out of grit this year I wonder?[/p][/quote]After years of constant failings and inadequate gritting over the years, can we now finally expect a sterling service and have all roads and pavements gritted this time? After all, that is what we pay our council taxes for.[/p][/quote]I doubt if there's a single council in the country that grits ALL of its roads and ALL of its footpaths ALL the time in winter. You would be the first one to complain about the increased cost of employing the required labour. You really do need to engage brain before committing yourself to print. The Doosra

7:29pm Fri 11 Oct 13

THE FACTS says...

The hotlink doesnt work
The hotlink doesnt work THE FACTS

9:18pm Fri 11 Oct 13

saucerer says...

The Doosra wrote:
Letterman wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
Will they run out of grit this year I wonder?
After years of constant failings and inadequate gritting over the years, can we now finally expect a sterling service and have all roads and pavements gritted this time? After all, that is what we pay our council taxes for.
I doubt if there's a single council in the country that grits ALL of its roads and ALL of its footpaths ALL the time in winter. You would be the first one to complain about the increased cost of employing the required labour. You really do need to engage brain before committing yourself to print.
If the highways department weren't so incompetent and wasteful with our money, they'd be sufficient funds to grit all roads and pavements. Look at Lowesmoor for example, how many tens of thousands have been spent which has not only made little difference but was unnecessary? Or the replacement of a perfectly good pelican crossing by a zebra there which, again, must have cost thousands? Or what about the surface dressing farce during the summer where highways staff specified the wrong type of stone chippings? Or even potholes which are repaired so appallingly that the highways department need to send the contractor out again within weeks to do the same repair which means a repeat visits and more cost? Or how about the main part of the High Street being resurfaced because the original material failed after only 5-6 years because it was incorrectly specified? Need I go on. These are examples of where massive savings could have been made, enabling us to get the gritting service we expect and deserve.
[quote][p][bold]The Doosra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letterman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: Will they run out of grit this year I wonder?[/p][/quote]After years of constant failings and inadequate gritting over the years, can we now finally expect a sterling service and have all roads and pavements gritted this time? After all, that is what we pay our council taxes for.[/p][/quote]I doubt if there's a single council in the country that grits ALL of its roads and ALL of its footpaths ALL the time in winter. You would be the first one to complain about the increased cost of employing the required labour. You really do need to engage brain before committing yourself to print.[/p][/quote]If the highways department weren't so incompetent and wasteful with our money, they'd be sufficient funds to grit all roads and pavements. Look at Lowesmoor for example, how many tens of thousands have been spent which has not only made little difference but was unnecessary? Or the replacement of a perfectly good pelican crossing by a zebra there which, again, must have cost thousands? Or what about the surface dressing farce during the summer where highways staff specified the wrong type of stone chippings? Or even potholes which are repaired so appallingly that the highways department need to send the contractor out again within weeks to do the same repair which means a repeat visits and more cost? Or how about the main part of the High Street being resurfaced because the original material failed after only 5-6 years because it was incorrectly specified? Need I go on. These are examples of where massive savings could have been made, enabling us to get the gritting service we expect and deserve. saucerer

10:10pm Fri 11 Oct 13

WilkoJ says...

saucerer wrote:
The Doosra wrote:
Letterman wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
Will they run out of grit this year I wonder?
After years of constant failings and inadequate gritting over the years, can we now finally expect a sterling service and have all roads and pavements gritted this time? After all, that is what we pay our council taxes for.
I doubt if there's a single council in the country that grits ALL of its roads and ALL of its footpaths ALL the time in winter. You would be the first one to complain about the increased cost of employing the required labour. You really do need to engage brain before committing yourself to print.
If the highways department weren't so incompetent and wasteful with our money, they'd be sufficient funds to grit all roads and pavements. Look at Lowesmoor for example, how many tens of thousands have been spent which has not only made little difference but was unnecessary? Or the replacement of a perfectly good pelican crossing by a zebra there which, again, must have cost thousands? Or what about the surface dressing farce during the summer where highways staff specified the wrong type of stone chippings? Or even potholes which are repaired so appallingly that the highways department need to send the contractor out again within weeks to do the same repair which means a repeat visits and more cost? Or how about the main part of the High Street being resurfaced because the original material failed after only 5-6 years because it was incorrectly specified? Need I go on. These are examples of where massive savings could have been made, enabling us to get the gritting service we expect and deserve.
A very valid point saucerer which The Doosra clearly didn't consider in their comments. The worrying thing is that the areas of failures you've listed are only a drop in the ocean and clearly this continuing incompetence, which costs us all at the end of the day, and not just financially, has to stop.

A very well respected and extremely knowledgeable driving instructor I know in Worcestershire is doing their utmost to contact the highways department to assist them and give them their experience, guidance and superior knowledge to ensure roads are managed properly and cost effectively, schemes are designed properly and safely, roads made much safer and and road repairs carried out properly. So when someone like a driving instructor is taking such measures, clearly something is majorly wrong with the highways department which is clear for everyone to see. I hope the highways department takes up this offer and perhaps go further and employ them and his team as much needed consultants.
[quote][p][bold]saucerer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Doosra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letterman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: Will they run out of grit this year I wonder?[/p][/quote]After years of constant failings and inadequate gritting over the years, can we now finally expect a sterling service and have all roads and pavements gritted this time? After all, that is what we pay our council taxes for.[/p][/quote]I doubt if there's a single council in the country that grits ALL of its roads and ALL of its footpaths ALL the time in winter. You would be the first one to complain about the increased cost of employing the required labour. You really do need to engage brain before committing yourself to print.[/p][/quote]If the highways department weren't so incompetent and wasteful with our money, they'd be sufficient funds to grit all roads and pavements. Look at Lowesmoor for example, how many tens of thousands have been spent which has not only made little difference but was unnecessary? Or the replacement of a perfectly good pelican crossing by a zebra there which, again, must have cost thousands? Or what about the surface dressing farce during the summer where highways staff specified the wrong type of stone chippings? Or even potholes which are repaired so appallingly that the highways department need to send the contractor out again within weeks to do the same repair which means a repeat visits and more cost? Or how about the main part of the High Street being resurfaced because the original material failed after only 5-6 years because it was incorrectly specified? Need I go on. These are examples of where massive savings could have been made, enabling us to get the gritting service we expect and deserve.[/p][/quote]A very valid point saucerer which The Doosra clearly didn't consider in their comments. The worrying thing is that the areas of failures you've listed are only a drop in the ocean and clearly this continuing incompetence, which costs us all at the end of the day, and not just financially, has to stop. A very well respected and extremely knowledgeable driving instructor I know in Worcestershire is doing their utmost to contact the highways department to assist them and give them their experience, guidance and superior knowledge to ensure roads are managed properly and cost effectively, schemes are designed properly and safely, roads made much safer and and road repairs carried out properly. So when someone like a driving instructor is taking such measures, clearly something is majorly wrong with the highways department which is clear for everyone to see. I hope the highways department takes up this offer and perhaps go further and employ them and his team as much needed consultants. WilkoJ

10:37pm Fri 11 Oct 13

saucerer says...

I remember just under a year ago listening to a driving instructor on BBC Hereford & Worcester chatting about the standards of driving and the way in which roads are managed in Worcestershire and I have to say that he talked sense and clearly knew what they were on about, It was a breath of fresh air compared to the drivel and stupidity that emanates from County Hall. So I agree that people like driving instructors have so much to bring to the management of roads in this county and our highway chiefs could do a lot worse than listen or even employ these knowledgeable people. But then, it would be like turkeys voting for Christmas!
I remember just under a year ago listening to a driving instructor on BBC Hereford & Worcester chatting about the standards of driving and the way in which roads are managed in Worcestershire and I have to say that he talked sense and clearly knew what they were on about, It was a breath of fresh air compared to the drivel and stupidity that emanates from County Hall. So I agree that people like driving instructors have so much to bring to the management of roads in this county and our highway chiefs could do a lot worse than listen or even employ these knowledgeable people. But then, it would be like turkeys voting for Christmas! saucerer

9:38am Sat 12 Oct 13

denon says...

The use of OBE in press releases etc is improper and deminees the reason for the award Mr Smith
The use of OBE in press releases etc is improper and deminees the reason for the award Mr Smith denon

9:52am Sat 12 Oct 13

The Doosra says...

WilkoJ wrote:
saucerer wrote:
The Doosra wrote:
Letterman wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
Will they run out of grit this year I wonder?
After years of constant failings and inadequate gritting over the years, can we now finally expect a sterling service and have all roads and pavements gritted this time? After all, that is what we pay our council taxes for.
I doubt if there's a single council in the country that grits ALL of its roads and ALL of its footpaths ALL the time in winter. You would be the first one to complain about the increased cost of employing the required labour. You really do need to engage brain before committing yourself to print.
If the highways department weren't so incompetent and wasteful with our money, they'd be sufficient funds to grit all roads and pavements. Look at Lowesmoor for example, how many tens of thousands have been spent which has not only made little difference but was unnecessary? Or the replacement of a perfectly good pelican crossing by a zebra there which, again, must have cost thousands? Or what about the surface dressing farce during the summer where highways staff specified the wrong type of stone chippings? Or even potholes which are repaired so appallingly that the highways department need to send the contractor out again within weeks to do the same repair which means a repeat visits and more cost? Or how about the main part of the High Street being resurfaced because the original material failed after only 5-6 years because it was incorrectly specified? Need I go on. These are examples of where massive savings could have been made, enabling us to get the gritting service we expect and deserve.
A very valid point saucerer which The Doosra clearly didn't consider in their comments. The worrying thing is that the areas of failures you've listed are only a drop in the ocean and clearly this continuing incompetence, which costs us all at the end of the day, and not just financially, has to stop.

A very well respected and extremely knowledgeable driving instructor I know in Worcestershire is doing their utmost to contact the highways department to assist them and give them their experience, guidance and superior knowledge to ensure roads are managed properly and cost effectively, schemes are designed properly and safely, roads made much safer and and road repairs carried out properly. So when someone like a driving instructor is taking such measures, clearly something is majorly wrong with the highways department which is clear for everyone to see. I hope the highways department takes up this offer and perhaps go further and employ them and his team as much needed consultants.
You're not a driving instructor by any chance are you WilkoJ? But seriously, if driving for a living makes someone better qualified to advise on highways matters, why stop at driving instructors - how about taxi drivers and bus drivers?
[quote][p][bold]WilkoJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saucerer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Doosra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letterman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: Will they run out of grit this year I wonder?[/p][/quote]After years of constant failings and inadequate gritting over the years, can we now finally expect a sterling service and have all roads and pavements gritted this time? After all, that is what we pay our council taxes for.[/p][/quote]I doubt if there's a single council in the country that grits ALL of its roads and ALL of its footpaths ALL the time in winter. You would be the first one to complain about the increased cost of employing the required labour. You really do need to engage brain before committing yourself to print.[/p][/quote]If the highways department weren't so incompetent and wasteful with our money, they'd be sufficient funds to grit all roads and pavements. Look at Lowesmoor for example, how many tens of thousands have been spent which has not only made little difference but was unnecessary? Or the replacement of a perfectly good pelican crossing by a zebra there which, again, must have cost thousands? Or what about the surface dressing farce during the summer where highways staff specified the wrong type of stone chippings? Or even potholes which are repaired so appallingly that the highways department need to send the contractor out again within weeks to do the same repair which means a repeat visits and more cost? Or how about the main part of the High Street being resurfaced because the original material failed after only 5-6 years because it was incorrectly specified? Need I go on. These are examples of where massive savings could have been made, enabling us to get the gritting service we expect and deserve.[/p][/quote]A very valid point saucerer which The Doosra clearly didn't consider in their comments. The worrying thing is that the areas of failures you've listed are only a drop in the ocean and clearly this continuing incompetence, which costs us all at the end of the day, and not just financially, has to stop. A very well respected and extremely knowledgeable driving instructor I know in Worcestershire is doing their utmost to contact the highways department to assist them and give them their experience, guidance and superior knowledge to ensure roads are managed properly and cost effectively, schemes are designed properly and safely, roads made much safer and and road repairs carried out properly. So when someone like a driving instructor is taking such measures, clearly something is majorly wrong with the highways department which is clear for everyone to see. I hope the highways department takes up this offer and perhaps go further and employ them and his team as much needed consultants.[/p][/quote]You're not a driving instructor by any chance are you WilkoJ? But seriously, if driving for a living makes someone better qualified to advise on highways matters, why stop at driving instructors - how about taxi drivers and bus drivers? The Doosra

3:04pm Sun 13 Oct 13

WilkoJ says...

The Doosra wrote:
WilkoJ wrote:
saucerer wrote:
The Doosra wrote:
Letterman wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
Will they run out of grit this year I wonder?
After years of constant failings and inadequate gritting over the years, can we now finally expect a sterling service and have all roads and pavements gritted this time? After all, that is what we pay our council taxes for.
I doubt if there's a single council in the country that grits ALL of its roads and ALL of its footpaths ALL the time in winter. You would be the first one to complain about the increased cost of employing the required labour. You really do need to engage brain before committing yourself to print.
If the highways department weren't so incompetent and wasteful with our money, they'd be sufficient funds to grit all roads and pavements. Look at Lowesmoor for example, how many tens of thousands have been spent which has not only made little difference but was unnecessary? Or the replacement of a perfectly good pelican crossing by a zebra there which, again, must have cost thousands? Or what about the surface dressing farce during the summer where highways staff specified the wrong type of stone chippings? Or even potholes which are repaired so appallingly that the highways department need to send the contractor out again within weeks to do the same repair which means a repeat visits and more cost? Or how about the main part of the High Street being resurfaced because the original material failed after only 5-6 years because it was incorrectly specified? Need I go on. These are examples of where massive savings could have been made, enabling us to get the gritting service we expect and deserve.
A very valid point saucerer which The Doosra clearly didn't consider in their comments. The worrying thing is that the areas of failures you've listed are only a drop in the ocean and clearly this continuing incompetence, which costs us all at the end of the day, and not just financially, has to stop.

A very well respected and extremely knowledgeable driving instructor I know in Worcestershire is doing their utmost to contact the highways department to assist them and give them their experience, guidance and superior knowledge to ensure roads are managed properly and cost effectively, schemes are designed properly and safely, roads made much safer and and road repairs carried out properly. So when someone like a driving instructor is taking such measures, clearly something is majorly wrong with the highways department which is clear for everyone to see. I hope the highways department takes up this offer and perhaps go further and employ them and his team as much needed consultants.
You're not a driving instructor by any chance are you WilkoJ? But seriously, if driving for a living makes someone better qualified to advise on highways matters, why stop at driving instructors - how about taxi drivers and bus drivers?
No I'm not, I don't think I'd have the ability or patience! My point is that driving instructors are the foundations for teaching us all to drive, whether we end up driving a car, but, truck, taxi etc, but to enable them to teach, instructors have thorough training, a knowledge of highway law and the management of roads. But most importantly of all, as it's their profession and they spend so much time behind the wheel, instructors have a better insight in to how roads should be designed, repaired and managed than the highways staff, many of who are not qualified or intelligent enough and are merely pen pushers, office clerks appointed to manage our roads.
[quote][p][bold]The Doosra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WilkoJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saucerer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Doosra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letterman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: Will they run out of grit this year I wonder?[/p][/quote]After years of constant failings and inadequate gritting over the years, can we now finally expect a sterling service and have all roads and pavements gritted this time? After all, that is what we pay our council taxes for.[/p][/quote]I doubt if there's a single council in the country that grits ALL of its roads and ALL of its footpaths ALL the time in winter. You would be the first one to complain about the increased cost of employing the required labour. You really do need to engage brain before committing yourself to print.[/p][/quote]If the highways department weren't so incompetent and wasteful with our money, they'd be sufficient funds to grit all roads and pavements. Look at Lowesmoor for example, how many tens of thousands have been spent which has not only made little difference but was unnecessary? Or the replacement of a perfectly good pelican crossing by a zebra there which, again, must have cost thousands? Or what about the surface dressing farce during the summer where highways staff specified the wrong type of stone chippings? Or even potholes which are repaired so appallingly that the highways department need to send the contractor out again within weeks to do the same repair which means a repeat visits and more cost? Or how about the main part of the High Street being resurfaced because the original material failed after only 5-6 years because it was incorrectly specified? Need I go on. These are examples of where massive savings could have been made, enabling us to get the gritting service we expect and deserve.[/p][/quote]A very valid point saucerer which The Doosra clearly didn't consider in their comments. The worrying thing is that the areas of failures you've listed are only a drop in the ocean and clearly this continuing incompetence, which costs us all at the end of the day, and not just financially, has to stop. A very well respected and extremely knowledgeable driving instructor I know in Worcestershire is doing their utmost to contact the highways department to assist them and give them their experience, guidance and superior knowledge to ensure roads are managed properly and cost effectively, schemes are designed properly and safely, roads made much safer and and road repairs carried out properly. So when someone like a driving instructor is taking such measures, clearly something is majorly wrong with the highways department which is clear for everyone to see. I hope the highways department takes up this offer and perhaps go further and employ them and his team as much needed consultants.[/p][/quote]You're not a driving instructor by any chance are you WilkoJ? But seriously, if driving for a living makes someone better qualified to advise on highways matters, why stop at driving instructors - how about taxi drivers and bus drivers?[/p][/quote]No I'm not, I don't think I'd have the ability or patience! My point is that driving instructors are the foundations for teaching us all to drive, whether we end up driving a car, but, truck, taxi etc, but to enable them to teach, instructors have thorough training, a knowledge of highway law and the management of roads. But most importantly of all, as it's their profession and they spend so much time behind the wheel, instructors have a better insight in to how roads should be designed, repaired and managed than the highways staff, many of who are not qualified or intelligent enough and are merely pen pushers, office clerks appointed to manage our roads. WilkoJ

8:12am Mon 14 Oct 13

Lizzie R says...

So, driving instructors know what materials to use and where when repairing roads, they have experience with council budgets, priorities and the political processes, they know the legislation and technical requirements when it comes to street lights and their use, they know the Highways and Road Traffic Acts inside out, they know the processes for traffic orders and when they can and can't be be used, they know the regulations and government legislation that virtually dictates what can and can't be done on the highway, they are all suitably qualified in engineering and road safety, they can design and build a road scheme, they can manage budgets to ensure every road and pavement is gritted but still ensure all other highway and council services are maintained? If so, brilliant, bring them in.

Otherwise, some of these comments are the usual ones, "everyone knows more and can do a much better job than the current highways people." Driving instructors are no more in a better position to manage roads than highway engineers are to teach people to drive.

LizzieR, you go on about a driving instructor being the saviour of the highways department. Please, enlighten us, tell us who this highways genius is? What are his appropriate qualifications and experience to manage Worcestershire's roads and run the highways department?
So, driving instructors know what materials to use and where when repairing roads, they have experience with council budgets, priorities and the political processes, they know the legislation and technical requirements when it comes to street lights and their use, they know the Highways and Road Traffic Acts inside out, they know the processes for traffic orders and when they can and can't be be used, they know the regulations and government legislation that virtually dictates what can and can't be done on the highway, they are all suitably qualified in engineering and road safety, they can design and build a road scheme, they can manage budgets to ensure every road and pavement is gritted but still ensure all other highway and council services are maintained? If so, brilliant, bring them in. Otherwise, some of these comments are the usual ones, "everyone knows more and can do a much better job than the current highways people." Driving instructors are no more in a better position to manage roads than highway engineers are to teach people to drive. LizzieR, you go on about a driving instructor being the saviour of the highways department. Please, enlighten us, tell us who this highways genius is? What are his appropriate qualifications and experience to manage Worcestershire's roads and run the highways department? Lizzie R

8:13am Mon 14 Oct 13

Lizzie R says...

Lizzie R wrote:
So, driving instructors know what materials to use and where when repairing roads, they have experience with council budgets, priorities and the political processes, they know the legislation and technical requirements when it comes to street lights and their use, they know the Highways and Road Traffic Acts inside out, they know the processes for traffic orders and when they can and can't be be used, they know the regulations and government legislation that virtually dictates what can and can't be done on the highway, they are all suitably qualified in engineering and road safety, they can design and build a road scheme, they can manage budgets to ensure every road and pavement is gritted but still ensure all other highway and council services are maintained? If so, brilliant, bring them in.

Otherwise, some of these comments are the usual ones, "everyone knows more and can do a much better job than the current highways people." Driving instructors are no more in a better position to manage roads than highway engineers are to teach people to drive.

LizzieR, you go on about a driving instructor being the saviour of the highways department. Please, enlighten us, tell us who this highways genius is? What are his appropriate qualifications and experience to manage Worcestershire's roads and run the highways department?
Meant to say WilkoJ, not LizzieR which is me!!
[quote][p][bold]Lizzie R[/bold] wrote: So, driving instructors know what materials to use and where when repairing roads, they have experience with council budgets, priorities and the political processes, they know the legislation and technical requirements when it comes to street lights and their use, they know the Highways and Road Traffic Acts inside out, they know the processes for traffic orders and when they can and can't be be used, they know the regulations and government legislation that virtually dictates what can and can't be done on the highway, they are all suitably qualified in engineering and road safety, they can design and build a road scheme, they can manage budgets to ensure every road and pavement is gritted but still ensure all other highway and council services are maintained? If so, brilliant, bring them in. Otherwise, some of these comments are the usual ones, "everyone knows more and can do a much better job than the current highways people." Driving instructors are no more in a better position to manage roads than highway engineers are to teach people to drive. LizzieR, you go on about a driving instructor being the saviour of the highways department. Please, enlighten us, tell us who this highways genius is? What are his appropriate qualifications and experience to manage Worcestershire's roads and run the highways department?[/p][/quote]Meant to say WilkoJ, not LizzieR which is me!! Lizzie R

2:00pm Mon 14 Oct 13

saucerer says...

Lizzie R wrote:
Lizzie R wrote:
So, driving instructors know what materials to use and where when repairing roads, they have experience with council budgets, priorities and the political processes, they know the legislation and technical requirements when it comes to street lights and their use, they know the Highways and Road Traffic Acts inside out, they know the processes for traffic orders and when they can and can't be be used, they know the regulations and government legislation that virtually dictates what can and can't be done on the highway, they are all suitably qualified in engineering and road safety, they can design and build a road scheme, they can manage budgets to ensure every road and pavement is gritted but still ensure all other highway and council services are maintained? If so, brilliant, bring them in.

Otherwise, some of these comments are the usual ones, "everyone knows more and can do a much better job than the current highways people." Driving instructors are no more in a better position to manage roads than highway engineers are to teach people to drive.

LizzieR, you go on about a driving instructor being the saviour of the highways department. Please, enlighten us, tell us who this highways genius is? What are his appropriate qualifications and experience to manage Worcestershire's roads and run the highways department?
Meant to say WilkoJ, not LizzieR which is me!!
Lizzie R, the highways staff may well have qualifications and experience, but that does not mean they're competent or have the common sense to do the job properly. I'd support any suggestions for the highways dept to utilise the superior knowledge and competence of driving instructors, while the chap I heard on the radio last year would be just the ticket.
[quote][p][bold]Lizzie R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lizzie R[/bold] wrote: So, driving instructors know what materials to use and where when repairing roads, they have experience with council budgets, priorities and the political processes, they know the legislation and technical requirements when it comes to street lights and their use, they know the Highways and Road Traffic Acts inside out, they know the processes for traffic orders and when they can and can't be be used, they know the regulations and government legislation that virtually dictates what can and can't be done on the highway, they are all suitably qualified in engineering and road safety, they can design and build a road scheme, they can manage budgets to ensure every road and pavement is gritted but still ensure all other highway and council services are maintained? If so, brilliant, bring them in. Otherwise, some of these comments are the usual ones, "everyone knows more and can do a much better job than the current highways people." Driving instructors are no more in a better position to manage roads than highway engineers are to teach people to drive. LizzieR, you go on about a driving instructor being the saviour of the highways department. Please, enlighten us, tell us who this highways genius is? What are his appropriate qualifications and experience to manage Worcestershire's roads and run the highways department?[/p][/quote]Meant to say WilkoJ, not LizzieR which is me!![/p][/quote]Lizzie R, the highways staff may well have qualifications and experience, but that does not mean they're competent or have the common sense to do the job properly. I'd support any suggestions for the highways dept to utilise the superior knowledge and competence of driving instructors, while the chap I heard on the radio last year would be just the ticket. saucerer

10:52pm Mon 14 Oct 13

MulsanneChap says...

WilkoJ wrote:
The Doosra wrote:
WilkoJ wrote:
saucerer wrote:
The Doosra wrote:
Letterman wrote:
tub_thumper wrote:
Will they run out of grit this year I wonder?
After years of constant failings and inadequate gritting over the years, can we now finally expect a sterling service and have all roads and pavements gritted this time? After all, that is what we pay our council taxes for.
I doubt if there's a single council in the country that grits ALL of its roads and ALL of its footpaths ALL the time in winter. You would be the first one to complain about the increased cost of employing the required labour. You really do need to engage brain before committing yourself to print.
If the highways department weren't so incompetent and wasteful with our money, they'd be sufficient funds to grit all roads and pavements. Look at Lowesmoor for example, how many tens of thousands have been spent which has not only made little difference but was unnecessary? Or the replacement of a perfectly good pelican crossing by a zebra there which, again, must have cost thousands? Or what about the surface dressing farce during the summer where highways staff specified the wrong type of stone chippings? Or even potholes which are repaired so appallingly that the highways department need to send the contractor out again within weeks to do the same repair which means a repeat visits and more cost? Or how about the main part of the High Street being resurfaced because the original material failed after only 5-6 years because it was incorrectly specified? Need I go on. These are examples of where massive savings could have been made, enabling us to get the gritting service we expect and deserve.
A very valid point saucerer which The Doosra clearly didn't consider in their comments. The worrying thing is that the areas of failures you've listed are only a drop in the ocean and clearly this continuing incompetence, which costs us all at the end of the day, and not just financially, has to stop.

A very well respected and extremely knowledgeable driving instructor I know in Worcestershire is doing their utmost to contact the highways department to assist them and give them their experience, guidance and superior knowledge to ensure roads are managed properly and cost effectively, schemes are designed properly and safely, roads made much safer and and road repairs carried out properly. So when someone like a driving instructor is taking such measures, clearly something is majorly wrong with the highways department which is clear for everyone to see. I hope the highways department takes up this offer and perhaps go further and employ them and his team as much needed consultants.
You're not a driving instructor by any chance are you WilkoJ? But seriously, if driving for a living makes someone better qualified to advise on highways matters, why stop at driving instructors - how about taxi drivers and bus drivers?
No I'm not, I don't think I'd have the ability or patience! My point is that driving instructors are the foundations for teaching us all to drive, whether we end up driving a car, but, truck, taxi etc, but to enable them to teach, instructors have thorough training, a knowledge of highway law and the management of roads. But most importantly of all, as it's their profession and they spend so much time behind the wheel, instructors have a better insight in to how roads should be designed, repaired and managed than the highways staff, many of who are not qualified or intelligent enough and are merely pen pushers, office clerks appointed to manage our roads.
The usual story, everyone else can do a better job than the existing council staff. Yawn......
[quote][p][bold]WilkoJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Doosra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WilkoJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saucerer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Doosra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letterman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tub_thumper[/bold] wrote: Will they run out of grit this year I wonder?[/p][/quote]After years of constant failings and inadequate gritting over the years, can we now finally expect a sterling service and have all roads and pavements gritted this time? After all, that is what we pay our council taxes for.[/p][/quote]I doubt if there's a single council in the country that grits ALL of its roads and ALL of its footpaths ALL the time in winter. You would be the first one to complain about the increased cost of employing the required labour. You really do need to engage brain before committing yourself to print.[/p][/quote]If the highways department weren't so incompetent and wasteful with our money, they'd be sufficient funds to grit all roads and pavements. Look at Lowesmoor for example, how many tens of thousands have been spent which has not only made little difference but was unnecessary? Or the replacement of a perfectly good pelican crossing by a zebra there which, again, must have cost thousands? Or what about the surface dressing farce during the summer where highways staff specified the wrong type of stone chippings? Or even potholes which are repaired so appallingly that the highways department need to send the contractor out again within weeks to do the same repair which means a repeat visits and more cost? Or how about the main part of the High Street being resurfaced because the original material failed after only 5-6 years because it was incorrectly specified? Need I go on. These are examples of where massive savings could have been made, enabling us to get the gritting service we expect and deserve.[/p][/quote]A very valid point saucerer which The Doosra clearly didn't consider in their comments. The worrying thing is that the areas of failures you've listed are only a drop in the ocean and clearly this continuing incompetence, which costs us all at the end of the day, and not just financially, has to stop. A very well respected and extremely knowledgeable driving instructor I know in Worcestershire is doing their utmost to contact the highways department to assist them and give them their experience, guidance and superior knowledge to ensure roads are managed properly and cost effectively, schemes are designed properly and safely, roads made much safer and and road repairs carried out properly. So when someone like a driving instructor is taking such measures, clearly something is majorly wrong with the highways department which is clear for everyone to see. I hope the highways department takes up this offer and perhaps go further and employ them and his team as much needed consultants.[/p][/quote]You're not a driving instructor by any chance are you WilkoJ? But seriously, if driving for a living makes someone better qualified to advise on highways matters, why stop at driving instructors - how about taxi drivers and bus drivers?[/p][/quote]No I'm not, I don't think I'd have the ability or patience! My point is that driving instructors are the foundations for teaching us all to drive, whether we end up driving a car, but, truck, taxi etc, but to enable them to teach, instructors have thorough training, a knowledge of highway law and the management of roads. But most importantly of all, as it's their profession and they spend so much time behind the wheel, instructors have a better insight in to how roads should be designed, repaired and managed than the highways staff, many of who are not qualified or intelligent enough and are merely pen pushers, office clerks appointed to manage our roads.[/p][/quote]The usual story, everyone else can do a better job than the existing council staff. Yawn...... MulsanneChap

7:32am Tue 15 Oct 13

The Doosra says...

I had a shower this morning - that must qualify me to be a plumber
I had a shower this morning - that must qualify me to be a plumber The Doosra

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