Staff to be banned from smoking at Worcestershire hospitals

Worcester News: Staff to be banned from smoking at Worcestershire hospitals Staff to be banned from smoking at Worcestershire hospitals

STAFF at hospitals in Worcestershire will be banned from smoking anywhere on site under measures approved today.

Worcestershire Acute Hospitals’ NHS Trust backed the idea which will see patients and visitors still allowed to light up for the time being but only in existing smoking shelters which will be moved further away from hospital buildings.

The decision, which will also ban contractors and volunteers from smoking as well as staff, will come into effect next year and comes on the same day the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) urged the NHS to ban smoking on all hospital grounds in England.

The Acute Trust says its plan will support its “prevention message “ to patients as staff will now be treated by staff not smelling of smoke.

It aims to be completely smoke-free by 2015.

A leading councillor has since challenged Worcestershire County Council to follow suit at its County Hall headquarters.

“We (the county council) are now responsible for public health,” said Coun Andy Roberts, chair of the authority’s Health Overview and Scrutiny Committee.

“Now that the hospital has taken this initiative I think the county council should look at itself.”

The move covers three sites; Worcestershire Royal Hospital in Worcester, the Alexandra Hospital in Redditch and the Kidderminster Hospital & Treatment Centre.

The review was called in light of calls by the Smoke Free Worcestershire Alliance, plus complaints by patients and staff about people smoking near and around the hospitals.

The smoking shelters for patients and visitors will now be moved further away from hospital entrances. They are currently 15 metres from buildings.

Extra signs reminding visitors to use the smoking shelters will be put up.

The board was presented with four options. The others included continuing existing arrangements with staff allowed to light up, putting smoking shelters further away but continuing to allow staff to smoke, and making hospital sites completely smoke-free immediately for everyone.

Dr David Tibbutt, a member of the Smoke Free Worcestershire Alliance, said: “It’s a no-brainer.

“A nurse who comes in smelling of cigarettes is unpleasant at best and offensive at worst.

“It gives all the wrong messages.”

Bev Edgar, Director of Human Resources and Organisational Development with the NHS Trust, said: “As a major provider of healthcare it makes health sense that we take the lead in many aspects of prevention and health promotion.”

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5:30pm Wed 27 Nov 13

brooksider says...

The Royal Hospital put up loads of no smoking signs around the entrance to the Hospital but there are always packs of visitors and patients puffing away instead of walking a few feet to the smoking shelters.
I fail to understand why this ban is not enforced especially whilst
Ambulance staff have to weave around them to get patients on stretchers in and out of the Hospital.
The Royal Hospital put up loads of no smoking signs around the entrance to the Hospital but there are always packs of visitors and patients puffing away instead of walking a few feet to the smoking shelters. I fail to understand why this ban is not enforced especially whilst Ambulance staff have to weave around them to get patients on stretchers in and out of the Hospital. brooksider

5:48pm Wed 27 Nov 13

dulon says...

I hate having to go through the 'toxic ' screen when entering the royal . It is about time that smoking was banned entirely from the site . For goodness sake there are folks on drips pushing them along, that are in dressing gowns outside smoking .
The next thing that I would like to see banned is smoking in cars with children present ffs !
I hate having to go through the 'toxic ' screen when entering the royal . It is about time that smoking was banned entirely from the site . For goodness sake there are folks on drips pushing them along, that are in dressing gowns outside smoking . The next thing that I would like to see banned is smoking in cars with children present ffs ! dulon

5:51pm Wed 27 Nov 13

tub_thumper says...

Too true brooksider... I work at the hospital and I don't smoke. From an outsiders point of view, seeing people smoking outside looks dirty. From an insiders point of view, it doesn't look professional.

It also never ceases to amaze me seeing patients smoking whilst attached to an intravenous drip...

Also, as a cyclist who uses the bike shelters; there are clear signs to say that the shelters are not to be used for smoking - but people still do it despite the actual smoking shelter being a few yards away!
Too true brooksider... I work at the hospital and I don't smoke. From an outsiders point of view, seeing people smoking outside looks dirty. From an insiders point of view, it doesn't look professional. It also never ceases to amaze me seeing patients smoking whilst attached to an intravenous drip... Also, as a cyclist who uses the bike shelters; there are clear signs to say that the shelters are not to be used for smoking - but people still do it despite the actual smoking shelter being a few yards away! tub_thumper

6:08pm Wed 27 Nov 13

skychip says...

Worth trying at County Hall. Quite a lot of time wasted with people smoking whilst the non smokers kept working.
Worth trying at County Hall. Quite a lot of time wasted with people smoking whilst the non smokers kept working. skychip

6:33pm Wed 27 Nov 13

rugbycoach says...

to be honest it is unfair.petty dictorial behaviour with noone taking the addiction into account which will stress smokers out. Even heroine users get methadone on prescription...I agree that smokers should use the shelters and that should be policed. this is like a withdrawal of privileges for bad children..
to be honest it is unfair.petty dictorial behaviour with noone taking the addiction into account which will stress smokers out. Even heroine users get methadone on prescription...I agree that smokers should use the shelters and that should be policed. this is like a withdrawal of privileges for bad children.. rugbycoach

7:05pm Wed 27 Nov 13

thompson9100 says...

I guess then people will be outside the front using electronic cigarettes. Now that wouldn't be an issue, would it? I bet my bottom flat it would!
I guess then people will be outside the front using electronic cigarettes. Now that wouldn't be an issue, would it? I bet my bottom flat it would! thompson9100

9:17pm Wed 27 Nov 13

spider666 says...

skychip wrote:
Worth trying at County Hall. Quite a lot of time wasted with people smoking whilst the non smokers kept working.
That seems to happen everywhere and funny how the smokers seem to think that they're entitled to extra breaks because they do smoke yet if someone at my place of work is in the canteen for a few minutes to long then they're jumped on --It should be banned from all workplaces full stop.
[quote][p][bold]skychip[/bold] wrote: Worth trying at County Hall. Quite a lot of time wasted with people smoking whilst the non smokers kept working.[/p][/quote]That seems to happen everywhere and funny how the smokers seem to think that they're entitled to extra breaks because they do smoke yet if someone at my place of work is in the canteen for a few minutes to long then they're jumped on --It should be banned from all workplaces full stop. spider666

9:32pm Wed 27 Nov 13

littlejohn2 says...

You all moan and groan about these people smoking , but has anyone stopped to think where the 167 billion pounds a year collected in tax's from the sale of tobacco would come from if everyone stopped tomorrow ???



YES YOU .
You all moan and groan about these people smoking , but has anyone stopped to think where the 167 billion pounds a year collected in tax's from the sale of tobacco would come from if everyone stopped tomorrow ??? YES YOU . littlejohn2

10:58pm Wed 27 Nov 13

i-cycle says...

I fail to see why the Hospital, but also County Council (now it has the Public Health responsibility) aren't doing more to positively encourage their staff to lead healthier lifestyles.

As well as setting a better example for the rest of us and giving their 'campaigns more credibility' (do as we don't!) better diet, more exercise and less alcohol and drugs have proven benefits for the individuals, but also their employers in terms of less sickness absence and better 'productivity'.
I fail to see why the Hospital, but also County Council (now it has the Public Health responsibility) aren't doing more to positively encourage their staff to lead healthier lifestyles. As well as setting a better example for the rest of us and giving their 'campaigns more credibility' (do as we don't!) better diet, more exercise and less alcohol and drugs have proven benefits for the individuals, but also their employers in terms of less sickness absence and better 'productivity'. i-cycle

3:07am Thu 28 Nov 13

Mummycool246 says...

I agree they should enforce the smoking only in designated shelters.
I was sat right next to a no smoking sign with my 3 day old baby waiting for a taxi to turn up. Some woman promptly came and sat next to us and sparked up! On asking her politely to move to a designated area she gave my partner and I a mouthful!!!
I agree they should enforce the smoking only in designated shelters. I was sat right next to a no smoking sign with my 3 day old baby waiting for a taxi to turn up. Some woman promptly came and sat next to us and sparked up! On asking her politely to move to a designated area she gave my partner and I a mouthful!!! Mummycool246

7:20am Thu 28 Nov 13

green49 says...

It should be banned on the site completely end of.
It should be banned on the site completely end of. green49

9:16am Thu 28 Nov 13

solar1 says...

Yes, the tax revenue would be lost.

However, NHS costs would diminish!
Yes, the tax revenue would be lost. However, NHS costs would diminish! solar1

9:29am Thu 28 Nov 13

drowningnotwaving says...

Talk to any student nurse at the Uni they will talk about how they are taught the Holistic approach to patient care. Treating the whole patient, which includes respecting cultural and lifestyle choice.
If a 90yr old exprisoner of war who has smoked since he was 10yrs old wants a smoke who are we to stop them. That availability to maintain his lifestyle choice is a sign of respect and conductive to his healing. A true holistic approach.
What if the same exprisoner of war refuses to go into hospital because he can't have a smoke and consequently passes away. Would people be shaking fists at the acute trust saying they let the old down.
What is wrong with a designated smoking area
Talk to any student nurse at the Uni they will talk about how they are taught the Holistic approach to patient care. Treating the whole patient, which includes respecting cultural and lifestyle choice. If a 90yr old exprisoner of war who has smoked since he was 10yrs old wants a smoke who are we to stop them. That availability to maintain his lifestyle choice is a sign of respect and conductive to his healing. A true holistic approach. What if the same exprisoner of war refuses to go into hospital because he can't have a smoke and consequently passes away. Would people be shaking fists at the acute trust saying they let the old down. What is wrong with a designated smoking area drowningnotwaving

9:48am Thu 28 Nov 13

MJI says...

I hate going through the smoke clouds at the entrance.
.
And seeing people on drips and in wheelchairs is just beyond belief.
I hate going through the smoke clouds at the entrance. . And seeing people on drips and in wheelchairs is just beyond belief. MJI

10:21am Thu 28 Nov 13

dulon says...

We all recognise that nicotine is an addictive substance . The response from 'addicts' that they enjoy it and it is their only 'pleasure' is very selfish .
I used to enjoy sex when I was more able ! But that little pleasure is not permissible in public and neither should smoking be !
Smoking in public sends the wrong message to the young and impressionable plus it stinks and is anti social so dont inflict the filth on others .
With regard to the Alf Garnet remark that 'we are smoking for our countries benefit' , Dont make me laugh that bigoted attitude is usually used to justify the behaviour of an addict with no self control .
We all recognise that nicotine is an addictive substance . The response from 'addicts' that they enjoy it and it is their only 'pleasure' is very selfish . I used to enjoy sex when I was more able ! But that little pleasure is not permissible in public and neither should smoking be ! Smoking in public sends the wrong message to the young and impressionable plus it stinks and is anti social so dont inflict the filth on others . With regard to the Alf Garnet remark that 'we are smoking for our countries benefit' , Dont make me laugh that bigoted attitude is usually used to justify the behaviour of an addict with no self control . dulon

2:36pm Thu 28 Nov 13

tub_thumper says...

I think people are missing the point... This has nothing to do with deniying smokers of their right to fuel their addiction. It's a dirty and untidy habit - so why should the rest of us have to see it in the hospital entrance? If they want to smoke then they should do it in their break time away from the building. It's not my problem if that would 'waste' 10 or 15 minutes of their break walking to and from the shelter. It's their choice at the end of the day. No extra rights should be given...
I think people are missing the point... This has nothing to do with deniying smokers of their right to fuel their addiction. It's a dirty and untidy habit - so why should the rest of us have to see it in the hospital entrance? If they want to smoke then they should do it in their break time away from the building. It's not my problem if that would 'waste' 10 or 15 minutes of their break walking to and from the shelter. It's their choice at the end of the day. No extra rights should be given... tub_thumper

2:42pm Thu 28 Nov 13

tub_thumper says...

And besides; drug addicts and alcoholics have an addiction too. But even they wouldn't dream of having a drink or 'shooting up' in their break time. It's a personal choice lifestyle which they do in their own time i.e wait until they get home!
And besides; drug addicts and alcoholics have an addiction too. But even they wouldn't dream of having a drink or 'shooting up' in their break time. It's a personal choice lifestyle which they do in their own time i.e wait until they get home! tub_thumper

4:09pm Thu 28 Nov 13

Arthur Blenkinsop says...

Similar is true when going to some pubs - smokers congregate around an entrance so a deep breath is required to get through the smoke cloud. Also true for many shops, back entrance to the market in the shambles is one in question.
As an ex-smoker, i now realise just how horrible second-hand smoke is to someone who doesn't smoke and the argument that, 'it's our human right' to smoke in public places when other people are present just isn't right imo. Keep it well out of the way.
Similar is true when going to some pubs - smokers congregate around an entrance so a deep breath is required to get through the smoke cloud. Also true for many shops, back entrance to the market in the shambles is one in question. As an ex-smoker, i now realise just how horrible second-hand smoke is to someone who doesn't smoke and the argument that, 'it's our human right' to smoke in public places when other people are present just isn't right imo. Keep it well out of the way. Arthur Blenkinsop

6:02pm Thu 28 Nov 13

littlejohn2 says...

solar1 wrote:
Yes, the tax revenue would be lost. However, NHS costs would diminish!
Your on another planet if you believe that .
[quote][p][bold]solar1[/bold] wrote: Yes, the tax revenue would be lost. However, NHS costs would diminish![/p][/quote]Your on another planet if you believe that . littlejohn2

7:45pm Thu 28 Nov 13

copierman says...

Saw a bloke standing in the middle of Asda store Worcester smoking electronic cigarette. He then moved further up the store towards the bread counter and started puffing away again, he was never challenged by any staff or security.
Saw a bloke standing in the middle of Asda store Worcester smoking electronic cigarette. He then moved further up the store towards the bread counter and started puffing away again, he was never challenged by any staff or security. copierman

8:41pm Thu 28 Nov 13

Slobbin says...

littlejohn2 wrote:
solar1 wrote:
Yes, the tax revenue would be lost. However, NHS costs would diminish!
Your on another planet if you believe that .
Littlejohn, Oxford University published research in 2009 that showed that the cost of treating diseases caused by smoking was £5bn per year. Previously they had been estimated at about £1.5bn.
[quote][p][bold]littlejohn2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solar1[/bold] wrote: Yes, the tax revenue would be lost. However, NHS costs would diminish![/p][/quote]Your on another planet if you believe that .[/p][/quote]Littlejohn, Oxford University published research in 2009 that showed that the cost of treating diseases caused by smoking was £5bn per year. Previously they had been estimated at about £1.5bn. Slobbin

9:40pm Thu 28 Nov 13

Slobbin says...

2011/12 tax revenue from tobacco was £11.7bn according to HMRC.
2011/12 tax revenue from tobacco was £11.7bn according to HMRC. Slobbin

10:22pm Thu 28 Nov 13

dulon says...

All people will die of something sometime . It just depends on whether you wish to shorten the timeframe when you will meet your maker or 1000 virgins or whateverj !
The fact that someone that smokes will no doubt reduce their life expectancy . If you smoke you will be aware of that . Just keep the filthy muck away from people that prefer not to .
All people will die of something sometime . It just depends on whether you wish to shorten the timeframe when you will meet your maker or 1000 virgins or whateverj ! The fact that someone that smokes will no doubt reduce their life expectancy . If you smoke you will be aware of that . Just keep the filthy muck away from people that prefer not to . dulon

10:34pm Thu 28 Nov 13

littlejohn2 says...

Slobbin wrote:
littlejohn2 wrote:
solar1 wrote: Yes, the tax revenue would be lost. However, NHS costs would diminish!
Your on another planet if you believe that .
Littlejohn, Oxford University published research in 2009 that showed that the cost of treating diseases caused by smoking was £5bn per year. Previously they had been estimated at about £1.5bn.
Not hard to know that figure is way out . A 50gm packet of tobacco brought in Europe cost £5.40 , the very same packet cost £16.80 here . That's £11.20 tax on just one pack , on a packet of cigarettes just over £3.60 tax .
How many people smoke ?????????? millions . Sorry but you must live in cuckoo land or lead a very sheltered life
[quote][p][bold]Slobbin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]littlejohn2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solar1[/bold] wrote: Yes, the tax revenue would be lost. However, NHS costs would diminish![/p][/quote]Your on another planet if you believe that .[/p][/quote]Littlejohn, Oxford University published research in 2009 that showed that the cost of treating diseases caused by smoking was £5bn per year. Previously they had been estimated at about £1.5bn.[/p][/quote]Not hard to know that figure is way out . A 50gm packet of tobacco brought in Europe cost £5.40 , the very same packet cost £16.80 here . That's £11.20 tax on just one pack , on a packet of cigarettes just over £3.60 tax . How many people smoke ?????????? millions . Sorry but you must live in cuckoo land or lead a very sheltered life littlejohn2

10:17am Fri 29 Nov 13

tub_thumper says...

Why are people talking about the tax revenue from the sale of cigarettes? Banning smoking outside the hospital will just inconvenience smokers a little. It won't stop them from smoking altogether. And it definitely won't stop them from buying cigarettes either...

Smoking outside the main entrance looks dirty. That's all this is about.
Why are people talking about the tax revenue from the sale of cigarettes? Banning smoking outside the hospital will just inconvenience smokers a little. It won't stop them from smoking altogether. And it definitely won't stop them from buying cigarettes either... Smoking outside the main entrance looks dirty. That's all this is about. tub_thumper

10:45am Fri 29 Nov 13

copierman says...

littlejohn2 wrote:
You all moan and groan about these people smoking , but has anyone stopped to think where the 167 billion pounds a year collected in tax's from the sale of tobacco would come from if everyone stopped tomorrow ???



YES YOU .
So you are smoking for the good of the country?
[quote][p][bold]littlejohn2[/bold] wrote: You all moan and groan about these people smoking , but has anyone stopped to think where the 167 billion pounds a year collected in tax's from the sale of tobacco would come from if everyone stopped tomorrow ??? YES YOU .[/p][/quote]So you are smoking for the good of the country? copierman

10:49am Fri 29 Nov 13

Harry2nd says...

skychip wrote:
Worth trying at County Hall. Quite a lot of time wasted with people smoking whilst the non smokers kept working.
After all non-smokers work far harder than smokers lol.They might go a break and choose to smoke but non-smokers have a break too and visit the shop and canteen. Ridiculous comment
[quote][p][bold]skychip[/bold] wrote: Worth trying at County Hall. Quite a lot of time wasted with people smoking whilst the non smokers kept working.[/p][/quote]After all non-smokers work far harder than smokers lol.They might go a break and choose to smoke but non-smokers have a break too and visit the shop and canteen. Ridiculous comment Harry2nd

8:42pm Sat 30 Nov 13

drowningnotwaving says...

some patients will start going about the hospital having a crafty smoke, surely a greater fire hazard.
Will smoking be banned on mental health wards? like to see that commotion.
If mental health practitioners campaign for the equal treatment/respect of mental health patients then ipso facto medical patients should receive reciprocal respect/equal treatment
some patients will start going about the hospital having a crafty smoke, surely a greater fire hazard. Will smoking be banned on mental health wards? like to see that commotion. If mental health practitioners campaign for the equal treatment/respect of mental health patients then ipso facto medical patients should receive reciprocal respect/equal treatment drowningnotwaving

10:22am Sun 1 Dec 13

leemo79 says...

I don't even smoke but stood outside that hospital to make calls makes me smell like i do!!!
I think it is disgusting that they stand there in night gowns and on drips puffing away when there are people being rushed by on stretchers and babies being brought out to be taken home.
I don't deny anyone anything that makes them happy, but please, be considerate of others while partaking in chosen activity.
I don't even smoke but stood outside that hospital to make calls makes me smell like i do!!! I think it is disgusting that they stand there in night gowns and on drips puffing away when there are people being rushed by on stretchers and babies being brought out to be taken home. I don't deny anyone anything that makes them happy, but please, be considerate of others while partaking in chosen activity. leemo79

5:36pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Geep says...

OK, I'm a smoker. Shock, horror, I drink too! But the excessive tax I pay on these products pays for the NHS, & much else besides. Like wars in other countries.
And before some numpty goes on about me polluting their air, do they drive? I don't. And I object to some idiot using their 4x4 to do a school run of a couple of miles as much as they do me having a cigarette.
OK, I'm a smoker. Shock, horror, I drink too! But the excessive tax I pay on these products pays for the NHS, & much else besides. Like wars in other countries. And before some numpty goes on about me polluting their air, do they drive? I don't. And I object to some idiot using their 4x4 to do a school run of a couple of miles as much as they do me having a cigarette. Geep

12:45pm Mon 2 Dec 13

ladydreg says...

the hospital dose offer nicotine patches to smokers when they are in for treatment so they do not go with out their fix.
the hospital dose offer nicotine patches to smokers when they are in for treatment so they do not go with out their fix. ladydreg

3:16pm Mon 2 Dec 13

copierman says...

Geep wrote:
OK, I'm a smoker. Shock, horror, I drink too! But the excessive tax I pay on these products pays for the NHS, & much else besides. Like wars in other countries.
And before some numpty goes on about me polluting their air, do they drive? I don't. And I object to some idiot using their 4x4 to do a school run of a couple of miles as much as they do me having a cigarette.
Another one who is smoking for the good of the country!
[quote][p][bold]Geep[/bold] wrote: OK, I'm a smoker. Shock, horror, I drink too! But the excessive tax I pay on these products pays for the NHS, & much else besides. Like wars in other countries. And before some numpty goes on about me polluting their air, do they drive? I don't. And I object to some idiot using their 4x4 to do a school run of a couple of miles as much as they do me having a cigarette.[/p][/quote]Another one who is smoking for the good of the country! copierman

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