Worcester mum says bedroom tax move has left her £900 out of pocket

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A DISABLED single mum and her teenage son say they have been forced to cancel Christmas after the so-called bedroom tax cost them nearly £1,000.

Lisa Taylor agreed to downsize to a two-bedroom flat in Quenington Close, Warndon, Worcester, from her three-bedroom flat in Rose Avenue, Tolladine, where she had lived for a decade because of the tax or “spare room subsidy”.

She hoped the move would save her cash after the bedroom tax was introduced in April.

The tax resulted in a 14 per cent cut in her housing benefit, leaving her more than £12 a month out of pocket, and she is still uncertain of how much she owes in rent arrears because of the tax and she ended up paying £900 in savings set aside for Christmas to fund the move to their new home.

The 39-year-old, who does not spend any cash on alcohol or cigarettes, says she has even had to sell property on eBay to make ends meet.

Since the bedroom tax was brought in she can no longer afford to buy her son a PlayStation 4 for Christmas.

“I can’t even afford to give my son a single present,” she said.

“Christmas was always a special time of year for me, now it is filled with upset and depression.

“I can’t afford to give my family cards let alone presents and I’m so low I’m crying every day.

“I can’t stand it. It’s like I’ve lost everything.”

Miss Taylor is now sleeping in a broken bed and has no wardrobe in which to hang her clothes, she said.

Other possessions have gone missing which she attributes to being put under pressure to move house quickly by Worcester Community Housing, her registered housing provider.

Miss Taylor, who cannot work because of health problems, moved to the new house with 16-year-old son Ben on September 9 but was only given two weeks to move by WCH.

And she said she only agreed to the move because she was getting “several letters a week” from WCH asking her to move house.

Once it had found her somewhere she says WCH told her she had to move in two days or risk “dropping back to the bottom of the list”.

Miss Taylor, who describes the bedroom tax as “absolutely ridiculous”, suffers from fibromyalgia, arthritis, back and leg pain, two slipped discs, sciatica and depression which, she says, prevents her from working.

She said she received employment and support allowance totalling £220 per fortnight, disability living allowance of £86 per month, child benefit of £20 per week and child tax credit of £58 per week.

Iain Harkess, head of operations at WCH, said all WCH properties were unfurnished as standard and confirmed the organisation did not provide help to people moving because of the bedroom tax.

He said: “We’re keen to work with people affected by the welfare reforms to try to find solutions.

“Miss Taylor is financially better off in this property and we’re fortunate enough to be able to offer her a move to a two-bedroom property but we do understand that moving can be stressful and expensive and that is the other side of the welfare reforms.”

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9:46am Wed 4 Dec 13

CJH says...

£900 for Christmas???? She needs a reality check.
£900 for Christmas???? She needs a reality check. CJH

10:00am Wed 4 Dec 13

Cludgehill says...

Hang on a moment, she's 12 pound a month worse off thus she is unable to buy her son a PlayStation 4 for Christmas?
Hang on a moment, she's 12 pound a month worse off thus she is unable to buy her son a PlayStation 4 for Christmas? Cludgehill

10:01am Wed 4 Dec 13

Westhamoldguy says...

Sorry to the lady if I am wrong but 9 months at £14 a month is £126, nowhere near £1000, is this just a Christmas wish list, and she hopes that the kind people of Worcester will step in and pay for her presents?
Sorry to the lady if I am wrong but 9 months at £14 a month is £126, nowhere near £1000, is this just a Christmas wish list, and she hopes that the kind people of Worcester will step in and pay for her presents? Westhamoldguy

10:23am Wed 4 Dec 13

lizzyloolah says...

I think that may be a misprint and should read 'a week' not a month.
Nevertheless, That still isn't enough to break the bank I would have thought.
I think that may be a misprint and should read 'a week' not a month. Nevertheless, That still isn't enough to break the bank I would have thought. lizzyloolah

10:36am Wed 4 Dec 13

liketoknow says...

playstation 4! whatever happened to a bag of nuts and a pair of football boots?
playstation 4! whatever happened to a bag of nuts and a pair of football boots? liketoknow

11:09am Wed 4 Dec 13

chrisa2012 says...

So basically from handouts she is receiving around £210 a week, which elates to around £840.00 per month. Not a bad income really, quite similar to a low paid wage. Cancelling Christmas - Never heard so much rubbush! The kid could always get a paper round which would easily cover the £12 your loosing a Month!
So basically from handouts she is receiving around £210 a week, which elates to around £840.00 per month. Not a bad income really, quite similar to a low paid wage. Cancelling Christmas - Never heard so much rubbush! The kid could always get a paper round which would easily cover the £12 your loosing a Month! chrisa2012

11:21am Wed 4 Dec 13

Arthur Blenkinsop says...

That's £278 per week in benefits. More than some people earn doing a 40+ hour week. And still she moans!
That's £278 per week in benefits. More than some people earn doing a 40+ hour week. And still she moans! Arthur Blenkinsop

11:32am Wed 4 Dec 13

CJH says...

If begging in the street is illegal, shouldn't begging like this also be stopped? I hope no-one falls for this sob story, and if people do have spare money for goodness sake give it to a charity which really needs it, not someone who wants a Playstation. There are many managing on less money than this, and managing perfectly well. Still, at least it looks as if she could afford to put a nice red colour on her hair. Priorities eh?
If begging in the street is illegal, shouldn't begging like this also be stopped? I hope no-one falls for this sob story, and if people do have spare money for goodness sake give it to a charity which really needs it, not someone who wants a Playstation. There are many managing on less money than this, and managing perfectly well. Still, at least it looks as if she could afford to put a nice red colour on her hair. Priorities eh? CJH

11:48am Wed 4 Dec 13

Arthur Blenkinsop says...

Sorry, £210/week!!
Sorry, £210/week!! Arthur Blenkinsop

11:53am Wed 4 Dec 13

Jabbadad says...

Try to look past the playstation statement, this lady has a list of illness which I am pleased not to suffer from.
And the report says that her savings were used when needing to move at short notice. I don't know when the critics on here last moved house, but even if you can help in the move, the costs are really high.
And I have to repeat that all the disabled I meet would willingly give up their Blue Badges and benifits to have their health back, particularly their mobility.

And surely the ones they need to go after are those who are able to produce 8, 9 and even more kids, and still being young enough to work just live off and abuse the system.
Try to look past the playstation statement, this lady has a list of illness which I am pleased not to suffer from. And the report says that her savings were used when needing to move at short notice. I don't know when the critics on here last moved house, but even if you can help in the move, the costs are really high. And I have to repeat that all the disabled I meet would willingly give up their Blue Badges and benifits to have their health back, particularly their mobility. And surely the ones they need to go after are those who are able to produce 8, 9 and even more kids, and still being young enough to work just live off and abuse the system. Jabbadad

12:00pm Wed 4 Dec 13

fascistCOW says...

LOL
LOL fascistCOW

12:32pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Hwicce says...

Good to see that the introduction of the "spare room subsidy" is seeing the freeing up of larger properties for those that need them.
Good to see that the introduction of the "spare room subsidy" is seeing the freeing up of larger properties for those that need them. Hwicce

1:25pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Jabbadad says...

Whoops, if so, got that one wrong then.
Whoops, if so, got that one wrong then. Jabbadad

1:31pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Worcester Lad says...

£210 in benefits + her rent paid in full by Housing Benefits(no one has mentioned that yet).
£210 in benefits + her rent paid in full by Housing Benefits(no one has mentioned that yet). Worcester Lad

1:47pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Bonzodog says...

And made it to Guido Fawkes ...

http://order-order.c
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droom-tax-revealed/
And made it to Guido Fawkes ... http://order-order.c om/2013/12/04/true-t errible-impact-of-be droom-tax-revealed/ Bonzodog

1:58pm Wed 4 Dec 13

digitaltoast says...

How ANYONE with one child is supposed to struggle through Christmas day on less than £1,000 is a mystery to me. Won't SOMEONE think of the children? Oh, the inhumanity. Oh, the suffering.
Quick! Setup a foodbank for her or something.
Those evil evil Tory scum, eh?
How ANYONE with one child is supposed to struggle through Christmas day on less than £1,000 is a mystery to me. Won't SOMEONE think of the children? Oh, the inhumanity. Oh, the suffering. Quick! Setup a foodbank for her or something. Those evil evil Tory scum, eh? digitaltoast

2:14pm Wed 4 Dec 13

timevans says...

Well if this woman cant buy a Playstation 4 with her handouts. The new system is working
Well if this woman cant buy a Playstation 4 with her handouts. The new system is working timevans

2:16pm Wed 4 Dec 13

CJH says...

What a pity she has not considered the impact on her son. No, not the Christmas present issue. The issue of using him to extract sympathy from people. Does she think his friends and fellow pupils won't see this article, talk about it, twitter/facebook it, use it to bully/humiliate him? Selfish or stupid?
What a pity she has not considered the impact on her son. No, not the Christmas present issue. The issue of using him to extract sympathy from people. Does she think his friends and fellow pupils won't see this article, talk about it, twitter/facebook it, use it to bully/humiliate him? Selfish or stupid? CJH

2:53pm Wed 4 Dec 13

CJH says...

And I forgot: IT'S NOT A TAX !!!!!
And I forgot: IT'S NOT A TAX !!!!! CJH

3:37pm Wed 4 Dec 13

notANOTHERbrilliantheadline says...

The crosses on her top- has she worn that to reach out to Christians to donate? Lol.
The crosses on her top- has she worn that to reach out to Christians to donate? Lol. notANOTHERbrilliantheadline

4:09pm Wed 4 Dec 13

skychip says...

She will probably wish after all the comments above that she never told her story to the Worcester News.
She will probably wish after all the comments above that she never told her story to the Worcester News. skychip

4:17pm Wed 4 Dec 13

CJH says...

All these 'hard luck' stories get pretty much the same treatment from us. You'd think they'd learn by now wouldn't you? I worry that it puts off those who really need to highlight their problems from going public. There are many people out there with genuine issues who probably don't get the help they need because those who cry wolf have damaged public opinion. WN are not blameless in this - they know a good inflammatory headline opportunity when they see it. If they would only get their reporters to ask the questions we ask, see through the 'poor me' stories, and check some of the facts, we may be a bit more supportive.
All these 'hard luck' stories get pretty much the same treatment from us. You'd think they'd learn by now wouldn't you? I worry that it puts off those who really need to highlight their problems from going public. There are many people out there with genuine issues who probably don't get the help they need because those who cry wolf have damaged public opinion. WN are not blameless in this - they know a good inflammatory headline opportunity when they see it. If they would only get their reporters to ask the questions we ask, see through the 'poor me' stories, and check some of the facts, we may be a bit more supportive. CJH

4:37pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Bonzodog says...

Given that the story has appeared on Guido Fawke's blog, I think that the WN will be the least of her worries .....
Given that the story has appeared on Guido Fawke's blog, I think that the WN will be the least of her worries ..... Bonzodog

4:46pm Wed 4 Dec 13

CJH says...

Bonzodog wrote:
Given that the story has appeared on Guido Fawke's blog, I think that the WN will be the least of her worries .....
Blimey! Never read Guido Fawkes before. Don't think I'll be visiting again any time soon. If you think we're harsh about people on this website...
[quote][p][bold]Bonzodog[/bold] wrote: Given that the story has appeared on Guido Fawke's blog, I think that the WN will be the least of her worries .....[/p][/quote]Blimey! Never read Guido Fawkes before. Don't think I'll be visiting again any time soon. If you think we're harsh about people on this website... CJH

4:52pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Bonzodog says...

CJH wrote:
Bonzodog wrote:
Given that the story has appeared on Guido Fawke's blog, I think that the WN will be the least of her worries .....
Blimey! Never read Guido Fawkes before. Don't think I'll be visiting again any time soon. If you think we're harsh about people on this website...
Maybe, but Guido is by far the most read political blog in the country and is a must read for every national. So you can bet your bottom dollar that the nationals have picked this up.
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bonzodog[/bold] wrote: Given that the story has appeared on Guido Fawke's blog, I think that the WN will be the least of her worries .....[/p][/quote]Blimey! Never read Guido Fawkes before. Don't think I'll be visiting again any time soon. If you think we're harsh about people on this website...[/p][/quote]Maybe, but Guido is by far the most read political blog in the country and is a must read for every national. So you can bet your bottom dollar that the nationals have picked this up. Bonzodog

5:04pm Wed 4 Dec 13

nevermindeh says...

No;one has yet mentioned the fact that the council pay a £1000 incentive to social housing tenants who downsize by giving up a three bedroom house!
No;one has yet mentioned the fact that the council pay a £1000 incentive to social housing tenants who downsize by giving up a three bedroom house! nevermindeh

5:16pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Budweis-her says...

If she could have £900 savings on benefits then we're obviously paying her too much. I work full-time in a decently paid job, do at least 20 hours overtime a month and don't have £900 in savings!
If she could have £900 savings on benefits then we're obviously paying her too much. I work full-time in a decently paid job, do at least 20 hours overtime a month and don't have £900 in savings! Budweis-her

5:17pm Wed 4 Dec 13

MJI says...

I had to work overtime on Saturdays to pay for my Playstation 4!
I had to work overtime on Saturdays to pay for my Playstation 4! MJI

5:31pm Wed 4 Dec 13

dropkick55 says...

liketoknow wrote:
playstation 4! whatever happened to a bag of nuts and a pair of football boots?
That]s worcester rugby clubs wages! lol
[quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: playstation 4! whatever happened to a bag of nuts and a pair of football boots?[/p][/quote]That]s worcester rugby clubs wages! lol dropkick55

6:32pm Wed 4 Dec 13

SharkLasers says...

Ahh, Fibromyalgia. Funny disease as it doesn't actually exist. It's a list of symptoms that have no cause. The other funny thing is that anyone I know who have it only "caught" it in the last few years when it looked like their DLA was about to be cut. And they are all overweight and unfit.
Ahh, Fibromyalgia. Funny disease as it doesn't actually exist. It's a list of symptoms that have no cause. The other funny thing is that anyone I know who have it only "caught" it in the last few years when it looked like their DLA was about to be cut. And they are all overweight and unfit. SharkLasers

6:35pm Wed 4 Dec 13

the truth man says...

looks like a witch hunt on the comments!! maybe the reporter got a lot wrong with his maths maybe.... after having a read through some of the comments should make her live in a 1 bedroom flat and eat crap come on I wonder how much do us the people of the UK give in aid I don't see you wine about that millions and millions wasted India (space race ) Africa (space race)NEED I GO ON ! lets just hope the kids don't get picked on for what's in the paper
looks like a witch hunt on the comments!! maybe the reporter got a lot wrong with his maths maybe.... after having a read through some of the comments should make her live in a 1 bedroom flat and eat crap come on I wonder how much do us the people of the UK give in aid I don't see you wine about that millions and millions wasted India (space race ) Africa (space race)NEED I GO ON ! lets just hope the kids don't get picked on for what's in the paper the truth man

6:50pm Wed 4 Dec 13

LondonLuane says...

She's got a nice little earner going there on 210 quid a week.

I'm a single parent with a kid too, my back and legs hurt constantly too,, but from working,,, I'm left with a lot less than 210 quid a week to live on, once I've paid my own rent/council tax.

My kid will have a maximum of 150 pounds spent on her at Christmas,,and I've literally had to break my back doing overtime to scrape that together...

I honestly don't know what this woman is whining about,,, she's got it pretty cushty from where I'm sitting.
She's got a nice little earner going there on 210 quid a week. I'm a single parent with a kid too, my back and legs hurt constantly too,, but from working,,, I'm left with a lot less than 210 quid a week to live on, once I've paid my own rent/council tax. My kid will have a maximum of 150 pounds spent on her at Christmas,,and I've literally had to break my back doing overtime to scrape that together... I honestly don't know what this woman is whining about,,, she's got it pretty cushty from where I'm sitting. LondonLuane

7:27pm Wed 4 Dec 13

redtail65 says...

Hwicce wrote:
Good to see that the introduction of the "spare room subsidy" is seeing the freeing up of larger properties for those that need them.
what ready for the influx of immigrants in january
[quote][p][bold]Hwicce[/bold] wrote: Good to see that the introduction of the "spare room subsidy" is seeing the freeing up of larger properties for those that need them.[/p][/quote]what ready for the influx of immigrants in january redtail65

7:35pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Doogie 46 says...

Judging from the comments posted by people who obviously know this woman, the WN has been well and truly fooled into publishing the mother and father of all hard luck stories - maybe a follow - up article is called for to clarify a few points.
Don`t know why some people set themselves up to be exposed like this.
Also - will the "my" WN please stop calling it the "bedroom tax" when they know full well that`s not correct!!!
Judging from the comments posted by people who obviously know this woman, the WN has been well and truly fooled into publishing the mother and father of all hard luck stories - maybe a follow - up article is called for to clarify a few points. Don`t know why some people set themselves up to be exposed like this. Also - will the "my" WN please stop calling it the "bedroom tax" when they know full well that`s not correct!!! Doogie 46

10:30pm Wed 4 Dec 13

rikdangerous says...

c'mon guys, she's obviously on the bread line. It apperas she hasn't bought any clothes since 1996.
c'mon guys, she's obviously on the bread line. It apperas she hasn't bought any clothes since 1996. rikdangerous

10:35pm Wed 4 Dec 13

digitaltoast says...

rikdangerous wrote:
c'mon guys, she's obviously on the bread line. It apperas she hasn't bought any clothes since 1996.
I dunno - I reckon she's got the makings of some badazz pimp stylee going on there with that cane and cap. She just needs a little more bling and a tricked out Ford Cortina wiv da hydraulics on the suspension and she be coooool in Harlem, you get me?
[quote][p][bold]rikdangerous[/bold] wrote: c'mon guys, she's obviously on the bread line. It apperas she hasn't bought any clothes since 1996.[/p][/quote]I dunno - I reckon she's got the makings of some badazz pimp stylee going on there with that cane and cap. She just needs a little more bling and a tricked out Ford Cortina wiv da hydraulics on the suspension and she be coooool in Harlem, you get me? digitaltoast

11:16pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Blue Velvet Ghost says...

Neither I nor my husband - both gainfully employed - can afford a bloody PS4. I don't think this woman has got anything to whine about. We can barely afford food let alone anything else. She should be ashamed of herself for going begging cap in hand to GENUINELY poor and needy people.
Neither I nor my husband - both gainfully employed - can afford a bloody PS4. I don't think this woman has got anything to whine about. We can barely afford food let alone anything else. She should be ashamed of herself for going begging cap in hand to GENUINELY poor and needy people. Blue Velvet Ghost

11:55pm Wed 4 Dec 13

scolesy says...

I just feel sorry for the kid,,,,,,.
If she's selling on ebay she must have a pc,,,,and I dare say not just a laptop,,
So why not play games on that,,I do.
When I were a lad my dad asked me what I want for Chrimbo I said nothing really,because I worked,paper round evening work and Sats and Sunday's and bought things for myself.
I JUST FEEL SORRY FOR THE KID (No hope mother no hope life!!!).
I just feel sorry for the kid,,,,,,. If she's selling on ebay she must have a pc,,,,and I dare say not just a laptop,, So why not play games on that,,I do. When I were a lad my dad asked me what I want for Chrimbo I said nothing really,because I worked,paper round evening work and Sats and Sunday's and bought things for myself. I JUST FEEL SORRY FOR THE KID (No hope mother no hope life!!!). scolesy

9:11am Thu 5 Dec 13

PlipPlop says...

She moved from a 3 bed flat to a 2 bed flat in the same area - how the HELL could it have cost her £900 to move? I'd be interested in seeing her receipts. Furthermore, if someone on benefits can manage to save that much money to spend at Christmas then clearly they're receiving too much. My husband and I both work and we'd find it a struggle to save that much.

She's receiving £210 per week PLUS her housing paid. Not a bad little income for doing naff all except sitting on your backside complaining is it really?
She moved from a 3 bed flat to a 2 bed flat in the same area - how the HELL could it have cost her £900 to move? I'd be interested in seeing her receipts. Furthermore, if someone on benefits can manage to save that much money to spend at Christmas then clearly they're receiving too much. My husband and I both work and we'd find it a struggle to save that much. She's receiving £210 per week PLUS her housing paid. Not a bad little income for doing naff all except sitting on your backside complaining is it really? PlipPlop

9:37am Thu 5 Dec 13

leemo79 says...

900 savings on benefits?! i am in the wrong job!!!!
900 savings on benefits?! i am in the wrong job!!!! leemo79

10:43am Thu 5 Dec 13

DanMacc says...

SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE, SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, SHAME!!!! SHAAAAAAAAME!!!!!!!

How dare you judge this woman without knowing the facts.

I. say. AGAIN...


SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!
SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE, SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, SHAME!!!! SHAAAAAAAAME!!!!!!! How dare you judge this woman without knowing the facts. I. say. AGAIN... SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! DanMacc

10:50am Thu 5 Dec 13

1twogo says...

Oh now, come come. Why is this lady moaning? There are people in this world who don’t have the things they need e.g. clean water, shelter or food. Think about the people in the Philippines who lost everything because of nature. We are fortunate here to have a social benefit system to help provide us with what we NEED and not what we WANT. I survive on a benefit of £71.70 a week plus housing benefit of £70.94. It is purely to help support me until I gain new employment and with careful use of that money I am able to pay my rent (and I have to pay a spare room subsidy), my electricity, water, content insurance, life insurance and run my car as well as put food on my table. I sacrifice some nice things to pay for what I need. I really don’t see how this lady can be miserable with an income of around £210 a week PLUS full housing benefit. Boohoo, her sixteen year old son can’t have a playstation 4 this Christmas. You have to make a compromise sometimes and just have what you NEED! Whether or not Ms Taylor drinks, smokes and dances at nightclubs is up to the authorities to investigate, the fact is she should not moan about her financial hardship when she is in receipt of a tidy sum of money each week for doing nothing at all.
Oh now, come come. Why is this lady moaning? There are people in this world who don’t have the things they need e.g. clean water, shelter or food. Think about the people in the Philippines who lost everything because of nature. We are fortunate here to have a social benefit system to help provide us with what we NEED and not what we WANT. I survive on a benefit of £71.70 a week plus housing benefit of £70.94. It is purely to help support me until I gain new employment and with careful use of that money I am able to pay my rent (and I have to pay a spare room subsidy), my electricity, water, content insurance, life insurance and run my car as well as put food on my table. I sacrifice some nice things to pay for what I need. I really don’t see how this lady can be miserable with an income of around £210 a week PLUS full housing benefit. Boohoo, her sixteen year old son can’t have a playstation 4 this Christmas. You have to make a compromise sometimes and just have what you NEED! Whether or not Ms Taylor drinks, smokes and dances at nightclubs is up to the authorities to investigate, the fact is she should not moan about her financial hardship when she is in receipt of a tidy sum of money each week for doing nothing at all. 1twogo

10:58am Thu 5 Dec 13

nevermindeh says...

1twogo wrote:
Oh now, come come. Why is this lady moaning? There are people in this world who don’t have the things they need e.g. clean water, shelter or food. Think about the people in the Philippines who lost everything because of nature. We are fortunate here to have a social benefit system to help provide us with what we NEED and not what we WANT. I survive on a benefit of £71.70 a week plus housing benefit of £70.94. It is purely to help support me until I gain new employment and with careful use of that money I am able to pay my rent (and I have to pay a spare room subsidy), my electricity, water, content insurance, life insurance and run my car as well as put food on my table. I sacrifice some nice things to pay for what I need. I really don’t see how this lady can be miserable with an income of around £210 a week PLUS full housing benefit. Boohoo, her sixteen year old son can’t have a playstation 4 this Christmas. You have to make a compromise sometimes and just have what you NEED! Whether or not Ms Taylor drinks, smokes and dances at nightclubs is up to the authorities to investigate, the fact is she should not moan about her financial hardship when she is in receipt of a tidy sum of money each week for doing nothing at all.
Obviously Worcester now has its own "Moaner" Lisa. Perhaps the WN picture should hang in the Guildhall as we don't have a Louvre.........that face and expression! Enigmatic or WHAT!?
[quote][p][bold]1twogo[/bold] wrote: Oh now, come come. Why is this lady moaning? There are people in this world who don’t have the things they need e.g. clean water, shelter or food. Think about the people in the Philippines who lost everything because of nature. We are fortunate here to have a social benefit system to help provide us with what we NEED and not what we WANT. I survive on a benefit of £71.70 a week plus housing benefit of £70.94. It is purely to help support me until I gain new employment and with careful use of that money I am able to pay my rent (and I have to pay a spare room subsidy), my electricity, water, content insurance, life insurance and run my car as well as put food on my table. I sacrifice some nice things to pay for what I need. I really don’t see how this lady can be miserable with an income of around £210 a week PLUS full housing benefit. Boohoo, her sixteen year old son can’t have a playstation 4 this Christmas. You have to make a compromise sometimes and just have what you NEED! Whether or not Ms Taylor drinks, smokes and dances at nightclubs is up to the authorities to investigate, the fact is she should not moan about her financial hardship when she is in receipt of a tidy sum of money each week for doing nothing at all.[/p][/quote]Obviously Worcester now has its own "Moaner" Lisa. Perhaps the WN picture should hang in the Guildhall as we don't have a Louvre.........that face and expression! Enigmatic or WHAT!? nevermindeh

11:11am Thu 5 Dec 13

CJH says...

DanMacc wrote:
SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE, SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, SHAME!!!! SHAAAAAAAAME!!!!!!!

How dare you judge this woman without knowing the facts.

I. say. AGAIN...


SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!
We are the judging her on the facts given to us. She chose to expose herself and her son to the press and she decided what she wanted to say. No-one made her go running to the WN did they? Ask yourself what was her aim in doing this? Sympathy, presents, donations, compensation? I'm damned sure it wasn't a political campaign to change the benefits system.
[quote][p][bold]DanMacc[/bold] wrote: SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE, SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, SHAME!!!! SHAAAAAAAAME!!!!!!! How dare you judge this woman without knowing the facts. I. say. AGAIN... SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]We are the judging her on the facts given to us. She chose to expose herself and her son to the press and she decided what she wanted to say. No-one made her go running to the WN did they? Ask yourself what was her aim in doing this? Sympathy, presents, donations, compensation? I'm damned sure it wasn't a political campaign to change the benefits system. CJH

11:14am Thu 5 Dec 13

MJI says...

1twogo wrote:
Oh now, come come. Why is this lady moaning? There are people in this world who don’t have the things they need e.g. clean water, shelter or food. Think about the people in the Philippines who lost everything because of nature. We are fortunate here to have a social benefit system to help provide us with what we NEED and not what we WANT. I survive on a benefit of £71.70 a week plus housing benefit of £70.94. It is purely to help support me until I gain new employment and with careful use of that money I am able to pay my rent (and I have to pay a spare room subsidy), my electricity, water, content insurance, life insurance and run my car as well as put food on my table. I sacrifice some nice things to pay for what I need. I really don’t see how this lady can be miserable with an income of around £210 a week PLUS full housing benefit. Boohoo, her sixteen year old son can’t have a playstation 4 this Christmas. You have to make a compromise sometimes and just have what you NEED! Whether or not Ms Taylor drinks, smokes and dances at nightclubs is up to the authorities to investigate, the fact is she should not moan about her financial hardship when she is in receipt of a tidy sum of money each week for doing nothing at all.
Don't worry the Playstation 3 is now pretty cheap and there are a few hundred really excellent games available for it.
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Pick one up, buy all 4 Naughty Dog PS3 games and have great fun for about half the price of a PS4.
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You need to play 'The Last of Us', and the Uncharted trilogy is fantastic.
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OK that is my recommendation, if you can't afford a PS4 buy a PS3 with those 4 games, about half the cost and 3 of the best games of all time and a pretty decent introduction to the series.
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BTW I am excited for Uncharted 4 on the PS4.
[quote][p][bold]1twogo[/bold] wrote: Oh now, come come. Why is this lady moaning? There are people in this world who don’t have the things they need e.g. clean water, shelter or food. Think about the people in the Philippines who lost everything because of nature. We are fortunate here to have a social benefit system to help provide us with what we NEED and not what we WANT. I survive on a benefit of £71.70 a week plus housing benefit of £70.94. It is purely to help support me until I gain new employment and with careful use of that money I am able to pay my rent (and I have to pay a spare room subsidy), my electricity, water, content insurance, life insurance and run my car as well as put food on my table. I sacrifice some nice things to pay for what I need. I really don’t see how this lady can be miserable with an income of around £210 a week PLUS full housing benefit. Boohoo, her sixteen year old son can’t have a playstation 4 this Christmas. You have to make a compromise sometimes and just have what you NEED! Whether or not Ms Taylor drinks, smokes and dances at nightclubs is up to the authorities to investigate, the fact is she should not moan about her financial hardship when she is in receipt of a tidy sum of money each week for doing nothing at all.[/p][/quote]Don't worry the Playstation 3 is now pretty cheap and there are a few hundred really excellent games available for it. . Pick one up, buy all 4 Naughty Dog PS3 games and have great fun for about half the price of a PS4. . You need to play 'The Last of Us', and the Uncharted trilogy is fantastic. . OK that is my recommendation, if you can't afford a PS4 buy a PS3 with those 4 games, about half the cost and 3 of the best games of all time and a pretty decent introduction to the series. . BTW I am excited for Uncharted 4 on the PS4. MJI

11:15am Thu 5 Dec 13

CJH says...

MJI wrote:
1twogo wrote:
Oh now, come come. Why is this lady moaning? There are people in this world who don’t have the things they need e.g. clean water, shelter or food. Think about the people in the Philippines who lost everything because of nature. We are fortunate here to have a social benefit system to help provide us with what we NEED and not what we WANT. I survive on a benefit of £71.70 a week plus housing benefit of £70.94. It is purely to help support me until I gain new employment and with careful use of that money I am able to pay my rent (and I have to pay a spare room subsidy), my electricity, water, content insurance, life insurance and run my car as well as put food on my table. I sacrifice some nice things to pay for what I need. I really don’t see how this lady can be miserable with an income of around £210 a week PLUS full housing benefit. Boohoo, her sixteen year old son can’t have a playstation 4 this Christmas. You have to make a compromise sometimes and just have what you NEED! Whether or not Ms Taylor drinks, smokes and dances at nightclubs is up to the authorities to investigate, the fact is she should not moan about her financial hardship when she is in receipt of a tidy sum of money each week for doing nothing at all.
Don't worry the Playstation 3 is now pretty cheap and there are a few hundred really excellent games available for it.
.
Pick one up, buy all 4 Naughty Dog PS3 games and have great fun for about half the price of a PS4.
.
You need to play 'The Last of Us', and the Uncharted trilogy is fantastic.
.
OK that is my recommendation, if you can't afford a PS4 buy a PS3 with those 4 games, about half the cost and 3 of the best games of all time and a pretty decent introduction to the series.
.
BTW I am excited for Uncharted 4 on the PS4.
You see, there's always a solution to every problem. Just need to think outside the (PS4) box... :-)
[quote][p][bold]MJI[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1twogo[/bold] wrote: Oh now, come come. Why is this lady moaning? There are people in this world who don’t have the things they need e.g. clean water, shelter or food. Think about the people in the Philippines who lost everything because of nature. We are fortunate here to have a social benefit system to help provide us with what we NEED and not what we WANT. I survive on a benefit of £71.70 a week plus housing benefit of £70.94. It is purely to help support me until I gain new employment and with careful use of that money I am able to pay my rent (and I have to pay a spare room subsidy), my electricity, water, content insurance, life insurance and run my car as well as put food on my table. I sacrifice some nice things to pay for what I need. I really don’t see how this lady can be miserable with an income of around £210 a week PLUS full housing benefit. Boohoo, her sixteen year old son can’t have a playstation 4 this Christmas. You have to make a compromise sometimes and just have what you NEED! Whether or not Ms Taylor drinks, smokes and dances at nightclubs is up to the authorities to investigate, the fact is she should not moan about her financial hardship when she is in receipt of a tidy sum of money each week for doing nothing at all.[/p][/quote]Don't worry the Playstation 3 is now pretty cheap and there are a few hundred really excellent games available for it. . Pick one up, buy all 4 Naughty Dog PS3 games and have great fun for about half the price of a PS4. . You need to play 'The Last of Us', and the Uncharted trilogy is fantastic. . OK that is my recommendation, if you can't afford a PS4 buy a PS3 with those 4 games, about half the cost and 3 of the best games of all time and a pretty decent introduction to the series. . BTW I am excited for Uncharted 4 on the PS4.[/p][/quote]You see, there's always a solution to every problem. Just need to think outside the (PS4) box... :-) CJH

11:32am Thu 5 Dec 13

Pippa2uk says...

DanMacc wrote:
SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE, SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, SHAME!!!! SHAAAAAAAAME!!!!!!!

How dare you judge this woman without knowing the facts.

I. say. AGAIN...


SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!
Don't go public in the paper if she doesn't want people to have an opinion.....
[quote][p][bold]DanMacc[/bold] wrote: SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE, SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, SHAME!!!! SHAAAAAAAAME!!!!!!! How dare you judge this woman without knowing the facts. I. say. AGAIN... SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Don't go public in the paper if she doesn't want people to have an opinion..... Pippa2uk

12:15pm Thu 5 Dec 13

DanMacc says...

MJI wrote:
1twogo wrote:
Oh now, come come. Why is this lady moaning? There are people in this world who don’t have the things they need e.g. clean water, shelter or food. Think about the people in the Philippines who lost everything because of nature. We are fortunate here to have a social benefit system to help provide us with what we NEED and not what we WANT. I survive on a benefit of £71.70 a week plus housing benefit of £70.94. It is purely to help support me until I gain new employment and with careful use of that money I am able to pay my rent (and I have to pay a spare room subsidy), my electricity, water, content insurance, life insurance and run my car as well as put food on my table. I sacrifice some nice things to pay for what I need. I really don’t see how this lady can be miserable with an income of around £210 a week PLUS full housing benefit. Boohoo, her sixteen year old son can’t have a playstation 4 this Christmas. You have to make a compromise sometimes and just have what you NEED! Whether or not Ms Taylor drinks, smokes and dances at nightclubs is up to the authorities to investigate, the fact is she should not moan about her financial hardship when she is in receipt of a tidy sum of money each week for doing nothing at all.
Don't worry the Playstation 3 is now pretty cheap and there are a few hundred really excellent games available for it.
.
Pick one up, buy all 4 Naughty Dog PS3 games and have great fun for about half the price of a PS4.
.
You need to play 'The Last of Us', and the Uncharted trilogy is fantastic.
.
OK that is my recommendation, if you can't afford a PS4 buy a PS3 with those 4 games, about half the cost and 3 of the best games of all time and a pretty decent introduction to the series.
.
BTW I am excited for Uncharted 4 on the PS4.
She already has an Xbox 360, Xbox One, Playstation 3, Wii u, PS Vita, High End Gaming PC and an Ipad, but she wants a PS4 and she can't afford one because the government is RUBBISH!!!!
[quote][p][bold]MJI[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1twogo[/bold] wrote: Oh now, come come. Why is this lady moaning? There are people in this world who don’t have the things they need e.g. clean water, shelter or food. Think about the people in the Philippines who lost everything because of nature. We are fortunate here to have a social benefit system to help provide us with what we NEED and not what we WANT. I survive on a benefit of £71.70 a week plus housing benefit of £70.94. It is purely to help support me until I gain new employment and with careful use of that money I am able to pay my rent (and I have to pay a spare room subsidy), my electricity, water, content insurance, life insurance and run my car as well as put food on my table. I sacrifice some nice things to pay for what I need. I really don’t see how this lady can be miserable with an income of around £210 a week PLUS full housing benefit. Boohoo, her sixteen year old son can’t have a playstation 4 this Christmas. You have to make a compromise sometimes and just have what you NEED! Whether or not Ms Taylor drinks, smokes and dances at nightclubs is up to the authorities to investigate, the fact is she should not moan about her financial hardship when she is in receipt of a tidy sum of money each week for doing nothing at all.[/p][/quote]Don't worry the Playstation 3 is now pretty cheap and there are a few hundred really excellent games available for it. . Pick one up, buy all 4 Naughty Dog PS3 games and have great fun for about half the price of a PS4. . You need to play 'The Last of Us', and the Uncharted trilogy is fantastic. . OK that is my recommendation, if you can't afford a PS4 buy a PS3 with those 4 games, about half the cost and 3 of the best games of all time and a pretty decent introduction to the series. . BTW I am excited for Uncharted 4 on the PS4.[/p][/quote]She already has an Xbox 360, Xbox One, Playstation 3, Wii u, PS Vita, High End Gaming PC and an Ipad, but she wants a PS4 and she can't afford one because the government is RUBBISH!!!! DanMacc

12:42pm Thu 5 Dec 13

abailey236 says...

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1:24pm Thu 5 Dec 13

pig2000 says...

I can't be 100% sure but I'm virtually certain this woman plays darts for a local pub team, that's impressive for someone who struggles to walk without sticks..............
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I can't be 100% sure but I'm virtually certain this woman plays darts for a local pub team, that's impressive for someone who struggles to walk without sticks.............. . pig2000

2:06pm Thu 5 Dec 13

notANOTHERbrilliantheadline says...

DanMacc wrote:
SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE, SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, SHAME!!!! SHAAAAAAAAME!!!!!!!

How dare you judge this woman without knowing the facts.

I. say. AGAIN...


SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!
We know the facts, she's on benefits and trying to get people to buy her son a ps4. She should be £100 up because they give you £1000 incentive and she's only spent 900. So she should still have savings..
[quote][p][bold]DanMacc[/bold] wrote: SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE, SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, SHAME!!!! SHAAAAAAAAME!!!!!!! How dare you judge this woman without knowing the facts. I. say. AGAIN... SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]We know the facts, she's on benefits and trying to get people to buy her son a ps4. She should be £100 up because they give you £1000 incentive and she's only spent 900. So she should still have savings.. notANOTHERbrilliantheadline

2:10pm Thu 5 Dec 13

notANOTHERbrilliantheadline says...

DanMacc wrote:
MJI wrote:
1twogo wrote:
Oh now, come come. Why is this lady moaning? There are people in this world who don’t have the things they need e.g. clean water, shelter or food. Think about the people in the Philippines who lost everything because of nature. We are fortunate here to have a social benefit system to help provide us with what we NEED and not what we WANT. I survive on a benefit of £71.70 a week plus housing benefit of £70.94. It is purely to help support me until I gain new employment and with careful use of that money I am able to pay my rent (and I have to pay a spare room subsidy), my electricity, water, content insurance, life insurance and run my car as well as put food on my table. I sacrifice some nice things to pay for what I need. I really don’t see how this lady can be miserable with an income of around £210 a week PLUS full housing benefit. Boohoo, her sixteen year old son can’t have a playstation 4 this Christmas. You have to make a compromise sometimes and just have what you NEED! Whether or not Ms Taylor drinks, smokes and dances at nightclubs is up to the authorities to investigate, the fact is she should not moan about her financial hardship when she is in receipt of a tidy sum of money each week for doing nothing at all.
Don't worry the Playstation 3 is now pretty cheap and there are a few hundred really excellent games available for it.
.
Pick one up, buy all 4 Naughty Dog PS3 games and have great fun for about half the price of a PS4.
.
You need to play 'The Last of Us', and the Uncharted trilogy is fantastic.
.
OK that is my recommendation, if you can't afford a PS4 buy a PS3 with those 4 games, about half the cost and 3 of the best games of all time and a pretty decent introduction to the series.
.
BTW I am excited for Uncharted 4 on the PS4.
She already has an Xbox 360, Xbox One, Playstation 3, Wii u, PS Vita, High End Gaming PC and an Ipad, but she wants a PS4 and she can't afford one because the government is RUBBISH!!!!
Oh I see your joking lol. Yeh come on people chip in and buy her a ps4. Her poor son only has 5 consoles, little boy will be so upset if he doesn't complete his games console collection.
[quote][p][bold]DanMacc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJI[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1twogo[/bold] wrote: Oh now, come come. Why is this lady moaning? There are people in this world who don’t have the things they need e.g. clean water, shelter or food. Think about the people in the Philippines who lost everything because of nature. We are fortunate here to have a social benefit system to help provide us with what we NEED and not what we WANT. I survive on a benefit of £71.70 a week plus housing benefit of £70.94. It is purely to help support me until I gain new employment and with careful use of that money I am able to pay my rent (and I have to pay a spare room subsidy), my electricity, water, content insurance, life insurance and run my car as well as put food on my table. I sacrifice some nice things to pay for what I need. I really don’t see how this lady can be miserable with an income of around £210 a week PLUS full housing benefit. Boohoo, her sixteen year old son can’t have a playstation 4 this Christmas. You have to make a compromise sometimes and just have what you NEED! Whether or not Ms Taylor drinks, smokes and dances at nightclubs is up to the authorities to investigate, the fact is she should not moan about her financial hardship when she is in receipt of a tidy sum of money each week for doing nothing at all.[/p][/quote]Don't worry the Playstation 3 is now pretty cheap and there are a few hundred really excellent games available for it. . Pick one up, buy all 4 Naughty Dog PS3 games and have great fun for about half the price of a PS4. . You need to play 'The Last of Us', and the Uncharted trilogy is fantastic. . OK that is my recommendation, if you can't afford a PS4 buy a PS3 with those 4 games, about half the cost and 3 of the best games of all time and a pretty decent introduction to the series. . BTW I am excited for Uncharted 4 on the PS4.[/p][/quote]She already has an Xbox 360, Xbox One, Playstation 3, Wii u, PS Vita, High End Gaming PC and an Ipad, but she wants a PS4 and she can't afford one because the government is RUBBISH!!!![/p][/quote]Oh I see your joking lol. Yeh come on people chip in and buy her a ps4. Her poor son only has 5 consoles, little boy will be so upset if he doesn't complete his games console collection. notANOTHERbrilliantheadline

3:18pm Thu 5 Dec 13

pdenham says...

I was Lisa Taylor's local councillor in September when she was forced to move house. I contacted the Worcester News hoping they would run a story about the severe hardship which this benefits change has made to many people, including Lisa.
You can read the true story here:
http://citycouncillo
r.blogspot.co.uk/

It is a pity that the story has now been used months later by a different reporter to add to the view of many that people with diabilities and dependent on benefits are all scroungers.

I meet a lot of people in Worcester who have to put up with living on or below the bread line and most of the writers above would not want to be in that situation.
I was Lisa Taylor's local councillor in September when she was forced to move house. I contacted the Worcester News hoping they would run a story about the severe hardship which this benefits change has made to many people, including Lisa. You can read the true story here: http://citycouncillo r.blogspot.co.uk/ It is a pity that the story has now been used months later by a different reporter to add to the view of many that people with diabilities and dependent on benefits are all scroungers. I meet a lot of people in Worcester who have to put up with living on or below the bread line and most of the writers above would not want to be in that situation. pdenham

3:44pm Thu 5 Dec 13

I.T misfit says...

Woe is me!!!!! It warms my heart to know that as i cycle 6 and a half miles a day to work in all weather conditions, to know, that this lady, this poor down-trodden mother of one is getting the recognition she deserves, to draw attention to her soul-crushing dilemma!

Maybe...one day..just maybe after ive worked my guts out 9 hours a day, 5 days a week...one day in maybe 20 years time i too maybe able to afford this new games console that she obviously cannot afford.

i wish i could afford one. she cannot. it must be so, so hard...sitting in her white leather chair...in her freshly painted 2 bedroom house...with her very posh polished wooden drinks cabinet/globe in the background....my god...its made me realize that i am so, so, so lucky to have my damp, cramped, 1 bedroom flat in the little Beirut section of warndon.

maybe i too should go to WN and draw attention to my plight..i can see the headline..WORKING MAN CANNOT AFFORD LIFE OF LUXURY DUE TO BENEFIT CHEAT STEALING NEW GAMES CONSOLE AND HOUSING ASSOCIATION BOILED HIS CAT! Maybe afterwards i too can fake an illness and shake my booty in Worcesters many night-time venues on the tax-payers pennies. (sigh) back to the coal face i suppose. and LIsa?! i hope Everyone gives you something this xmas...hopefully it will be a phone-call to the benefit fraud office!
Woe is me!!!!! It warms my heart to know that as i cycle 6 and a half miles a day to work in all weather conditions, to know, that this lady, this poor down-trodden mother of one is getting the recognition she deserves, to draw attention to her soul-crushing dilemma! Maybe...one day..just maybe after ive worked my guts out 9 hours a day, 5 days a week...one day in maybe 20 years time i too maybe able to afford this new games console that she obviously cannot afford. i wish i could afford one. she cannot. it must be so, so hard...sitting in her white leather chair...in her freshly painted 2 bedroom house...with her very posh polished wooden drinks cabinet/globe in the background....my god...its made me realize that i am so, so, so lucky to have my damp, cramped, 1 bedroom flat in the little Beirut section of warndon. maybe i too should go to WN and draw attention to my plight..i can see the headline..WORKING MAN CANNOT AFFORD LIFE OF LUXURY DUE TO BENEFIT CHEAT STEALING NEW GAMES CONSOLE AND HOUSING ASSOCIATION BOILED HIS CAT! Maybe afterwards i too can fake an illness and shake my booty in Worcesters many night-time venues on the tax-payers pennies. (sigh) back to the coal face i suppose. and LIsa?! i hope Everyone gives you something this xmas...hopefully it will be a phone-call to the benefit fraud office! I.T misfit

3:49pm Thu 5 Dec 13

I.T misfit says...

pdenham wrote:
I was Lisa Taylor's local councillor in September when she was forced to move house. I contacted the Worcester News hoping they would run a story about the severe hardship which this benefits change has made to many people, including Lisa.
You can read the true story here:
http://citycouncillo

r.blogspot.co.uk/

It is a pity that the story has now been used months later by a different reporter to add to the view of many that people with diabilities and dependent on benefits are all scroungers.

I meet a lot of people in Worcester who have to put up with living on or below the bread line and most of the writers above would not want to be in that situation.
Pdenham

My mother was until recently a housing officer in worcester. she knows "moaner Lisa" very well. so well in fact she reported her to the Benefits fraud team on more than one occasion. nothing was done because they have such a massive backlog it takes months to get round to the complaints!

Perhaps you should talk to some of her former neighbours or maybe just go into town on a friday to bar 21 or drummonds and see this "severely disabled woman" in action. she twerks extremely well for a lady with a walking stick!
[quote][p][bold]pdenham[/bold] wrote: I was Lisa Taylor's local councillor in September when she was forced to move house. I contacted the Worcester News hoping they would run a story about the severe hardship which this benefits change has made to many people, including Lisa. You can read the true story here: http://citycouncillo r.blogspot.co.uk/ It is a pity that the story has now been used months later by a different reporter to add to the view of many that people with diabilities and dependent on benefits are all scroungers. I meet a lot of people in Worcester who have to put up with living on or below the bread line and most of the writers above would not want to be in that situation.[/p][/quote]Pdenham My mother was until recently a housing officer in worcester. she knows "moaner Lisa" very well. so well in fact she reported her to the Benefits fraud team on more than one occasion. nothing was done because they have such a massive backlog it takes months to get round to the complaints! Perhaps you should talk to some of her former neighbours or maybe just go into town on a friday to bar 21 or drummonds and see this "severely disabled woman" in action. she twerks extremely well for a lady with a walking stick! I.T misfit

3:49pm Thu 5 Dec 13

CJH says...

pdenham wrote:
I was Lisa Taylor's local councillor in September when she was forced to move house. I contacted the Worcester News hoping they would run a story about the severe hardship which this benefits change has made to many people, including Lisa.
You can read the true story here:
http://citycouncillo

r.blogspot.co.uk/

It is a pity that the story has now been used months later by a different reporter to add to the view of many that people with diabilities and dependent on benefits are all scroungers.

I meet a lot of people in Worcester who have to put up with living on or below the bread line and most of the writers above would not want to be in that situation.
Not everyone thinks people with disabilities and on benefits are ALL scroungers. Please don't make that assumption. Unfortunately it's stories like this which backfire on people with real needs. I think what has really annoyed people is the PS4 quote from Ms Taylor. It was ill-conceived and inappropriate. What was she thinking? There was never going to be any sympathy for her or her story after that. You say you have the 'true' story. No, you have a VERSION of the story. I'm sure the WN believe their story to be accurate also. You may wish to consider carefully before going to the WN again.
[quote][p][bold]pdenham[/bold] wrote: I was Lisa Taylor's local councillor in September when she was forced to move house. I contacted the Worcester News hoping they would run a story about the severe hardship which this benefits change has made to many people, including Lisa. You can read the true story here: http://citycouncillo r.blogspot.co.uk/ It is a pity that the story has now been used months later by a different reporter to add to the view of many that people with diabilities and dependent on benefits are all scroungers. I meet a lot of people in Worcester who have to put up with living on or below the bread line and most of the writers above would not want to be in that situation.[/p][/quote]Not everyone thinks people with disabilities and on benefits are ALL scroungers. Please don't make that assumption. Unfortunately it's stories like this which backfire on people with real needs. I think what has really annoyed people is the PS4 quote from Ms Taylor. It was ill-conceived and inappropriate. What was she thinking? There was never going to be any sympathy for her or her story after that. You say you have the 'true' story. No, you have a VERSION of the story. I'm sure the WN believe their story to be accurate also. You may wish to consider carefully before going to the WN again. CJH

4:02pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Doogie 46 says...

Some comments on this story from people who appeared to know this woman, claiming she can dance around in clubs, drinking and smoking (ie.she`s a benefits fraudster) which were posted yesterday have been removed - is this because they were not true or the WN just didn`t like them?
Some comments on this story from people who appeared to know this woman, claiming she can dance around in clubs, drinking and smoking (ie.she`s a benefits fraudster) which were posted yesterday have been removed - is this because they were not true or the WN just didn`t like them? Doogie 46

6:19pm Thu 5 Dec 13

abailey236 says...

pdenham wrote:
I was Lisa Taylor's local councillor in September when she was forced to move house. I contacted the Worcester News hoping they would run a story about the severe hardship which this benefits change has made to many people, including Lisa.
You can read the true story here:
http://citycouncillo

r.blogspot.co.uk/

It is a pity that the story has now been used months later by a different reporter to add to the view of many that people with diabilities and dependent on benefits are all scroungers.

I meet a lot of people in Worcester who have to put up with living on or below the bread line and most of the writers above would not want to be in that situation.
Have you ever thought about helping hard working families who struggle. No, instead you were going to use Lisa to try and get your own ugly mug shot in the paper in the hope that people see you as a good sole. Well guess what, you failed and now you like many councillors around here can crawl back under a rock with the rest of the trolls.
[quote][p][bold]pdenham[/bold] wrote: I was Lisa Taylor's local councillor in September when she was forced to move house. I contacted the Worcester News hoping they would run a story about the severe hardship which this benefits change has made to many people, including Lisa. You can read the true story here: http://citycouncillo r.blogspot.co.uk/ It is a pity that the story has now been used months later by a different reporter to add to the view of many that people with diabilities and dependent on benefits are all scroungers. I meet a lot of people in Worcester who have to put up with living on or below the bread line and most of the writers above would not want to be in that situation.[/p][/quote]Have you ever thought about helping hard working families who struggle. No, instead you were going to use Lisa to try and get your own ugly mug shot in the paper in the hope that people see you as a good sole. Well guess what, you failed and now you like many councillors around here can crawl back under a rock with the rest of the trolls. abailey236

6:37pm Thu 5 Dec 13

GroovyChick says...

For someone that doesn't drink, she has got a nice expensive looking globe drinks holder behind her!
For someone that doesn't drink, she has got a nice expensive looking globe drinks holder behind her! GroovyChick

6:47pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Dharma says...

Reading many of the comments above made me despair about our humanity. My impression was that they were written by unhappy people wishing to vent their frustrations about their lives who found some key triggers in this news story such as an aspiration to buy her son a PlayStation 4.
Some of the ‘facts’ are, however, called into question. The article stated a loss of £12 per month but Councillor Paul Denham’s blog (referred to in earlier comments) stated a figure of £14 per week. The primary ‘fact’ is that we do not have sufficient accurate information to make an informed judgement on the issues.
I understand the reason for trying to limit under occupation of social housing and, largely, support the intention. I cannot, however, accept or condone the personal attacks on any individual based on anecdote and prejudice.
Reading many of the comments above made me despair about our humanity. My impression was that they were written by unhappy people wishing to vent their frustrations about their lives who found some key triggers in this news story such as an aspiration to buy her son a PlayStation 4. Some of the ‘facts’ are, however, called into question. The article stated a loss of £12 per month but Councillor Paul Denham’s blog (referred to in earlier comments) stated a figure of £14 per week. The primary ‘fact’ is that we do not have sufficient accurate information to make an informed judgement on the issues. I understand the reason for trying to limit under occupation of social housing and, largely, support the intention. I cannot, however, accept or condone the personal attacks on any individual based on anecdote and prejudice. Dharma

7:32pm Thu 5 Dec 13

liketoknow says...

Dharma wrote:
Reading many of the comments above made me despair about our humanity. My impression was that they were written by unhappy people wishing to vent their frustrations about their lives who found some key triggers in this news story such as an aspiration to buy her son a PlayStation 4.
Some of the ‘facts’ are, however, called into question. The article stated a loss of £12 per month but Councillor Paul Denham’s blog (referred to in earlier comments) stated a figure of £14 per week. The primary ‘fact’ is that we do not have sufficient accurate information to make an informed judgement on the issues.
I understand the reason for trying to limit under occupation of social housing and, largely, support the intention. I cannot, however, accept or condone the personal attacks on any individual based on anecdote and prejudice.
primary 'fact' number one, this country is in a financial mess, wether or not this woman is genuine or not is beside the point . many people are abusing the system, which is designed to provide a standard of living befitting a civilised country. don't think a playstation meets the requirements, or perhaps your saying there is no abuse of the system and millions of pounds of 'our' money are not wasted.
[quote][p][bold]Dharma[/bold] wrote: Reading many of the comments above made me despair about our humanity. My impression was that they were written by unhappy people wishing to vent their frustrations about their lives who found some key triggers in this news story such as an aspiration to buy her son a PlayStation 4. Some of the ‘facts’ are, however, called into question. The article stated a loss of £12 per month but Councillor Paul Denham’s blog (referred to in earlier comments) stated a figure of £14 per week. The primary ‘fact’ is that we do not have sufficient accurate information to make an informed judgement on the issues. I understand the reason for trying to limit under occupation of social housing and, largely, support the intention. I cannot, however, accept or condone the personal attacks on any individual based on anecdote and prejudice.[/p][/quote]primary 'fact' number one, this country is in a financial mess, wether or not this woman is genuine or not is beside the point . many people are abusing the system, which is designed to provide a standard of living befitting a civilised country. don't think a playstation meets the requirements, or perhaps your saying there is no abuse of the system and millions of pounds of 'our' money are not wasted. liketoknow

7:55pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Dharma says...

liketoknow wrote:
Dharma wrote:
Reading many of the comments above made me despair about our humanity. My impression was that they were written by unhappy people wishing to vent their frustrations about their lives who found some key triggers in this news story such as an aspiration to buy her son a PlayStation 4.
Some of the ‘facts’ are, however, called into question. The article stated a loss of £12 per month but Councillor Paul Denham’s blog (referred to in earlier comments) stated a figure of £14 per week. The primary ‘fact’ is that we do not have sufficient accurate information to make an informed judgement on the issues.
I understand the reason for trying to limit under occupation of social housing and, largely, support the intention. I cannot, however, accept or condone the personal attacks on any individual based on anecdote and prejudice.
primary 'fact' number one, this country is in a financial mess, wether or not this woman is genuine or not is beside the point . many people are abusing the system, which is designed to provide a standard of living befitting a civilised country. don't think a playstation meets the requirements, or perhaps your saying there is no abuse of the system and millions of pounds of 'our' money are not wasted.
I do not accept abuse of our benefit system and I didn't say or infer anything which could support that view. If you have a point to make about the state of our nation you might wish to make a new post as this is about a specific case.
[quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dharma[/bold] wrote: Reading many of the comments above made me despair about our humanity. My impression was that they were written by unhappy people wishing to vent their frustrations about their lives who found some key triggers in this news story such as an aspiration to buy her son a PlayStation 4. Some of the ‘facts’ are, however, called into question. The article stated a loss of £12 per month but Councillor Paul Denham’s blog (referred to in earlier comments) stated a figure of £14 per week. The primary ‘fact’ is that we do not have sufficient accurate information to make an informed judgement on the issues. I understand the reason for trying to limit under occupation of social housing and, largely, support the intention. I cannot, however, accept or condone the personal attacks on any individual based on anecdote and prejudice.[/p][/quote]primary 'fact' number one, this country is in a financial mess, wether or not this woman is genuine or not is beside the point . many people are abusing the system, which is designed to provide a standard of living befitting a civilised country. don't think a playstation meets the requirements, or perhaps your saying there is no abuse of the system and millions of pounds of 'our' money are not wasted.[/p][/quote]I do not accept abuse of our benefit system and I didn't say or infer anything which could support that view. If you have a point to make about the state of our nation you might wish to make a new post as this is about a specific case. Dharma

8:35pm Thu 5 Dec 13

EdHartley says...

The average 3 bed social rent is around £100 a week so the 14% restriction is likely to be £12 per week or £624 a year. As this only came into force 1st april we are about 35 weeks in which would make the defecit on her account £420 assuming she had no previous arrears. I would assume someone had the sense to inform her of the discretionery housing payments that are available and also assume she did not qualify both reasonable assumptions as she had managed to save £900 for christmas or around £19 per week. if she had paid the spare room subsidy herself ahe would not be arrears, would not have been "forced" to move and would still have £480 for christmas. I can only conclude that she chose not to pay her rent otherwise how did she save money, I doubt WCH forced her to move and in truth she is lucky to be allowed to move whilst still in arrears with her rent. I do have sympathy for the effects of the bedroom tax but in this case her destiny was in her own hands.
The average 3 bed social rent is around £100 a week so the 14% restriction is likely to be £12 per week or £624 a year. As this only came into force 1st april we are about 35 weeks in which would make the defecit on her account £420 assuming she had no previous arrears. I would assume someone had the sense to inform her of the discretionery housing payments that are available and also assume she did not qualify both reasonable assumptions as she had managed to save £900 for christmas or around £19 per week. if she had paid the spare room subsidy herself ahe would not be arrears, would not have been "forced" to move and would still have £480 for christmas. I can only conclude that she chose not to pay her rent otherwise how did she save money, I doubt WCH forced her to move and in truth she is lucky to be allowed to move whilst still in arrears with her rent. I do have sympathy for the effects of the bedroom tax but in this case her destiny was in her own hands. EdHartley

9:38pm Thu 5 Dec 13

rikdangerous says...

DanMacc wrote:
SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE, SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, SHAME!!!! SHAAAAAAAAME!!!!!!!

How dare you judge this woman without knowing the facts.

I. say. AGAIN...


SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!
please enlighten us...
[quote][p][bold]DanMacc[/bold] wrote: SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE, SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, SHAME!!!! SHAAAAAAAAME!!!!!!! How dare you judge this woman without knowing the facts. I. say. AGAIN... SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]please enlighten us... rikdangerous

10:02pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Guy66 says...

Dharma wrote:
Reading many of the comments above made me despair about our humanity. My impression was that they were written by unhappy people wishing to vent their frustrations about their lives who found some key triggers in this news story such as an aspiration to buy her son a PlayStation 4.
Some of the ‘facts’ are, however, called into question. The article stated a loss of £12 per month but Councillor Paul Denham’s blog (referred to in earlier comments) stated a figure of £14 per week. The primary ‘fact’ is that we do not have sufficient accurate information to make an informed judgement on the issues.
I understand the reason for trying to limit under occupation of social housing and, largely, support the intention. I cannot, however, accept or condone the personal attacks on any individual based on anecdote and prejudice.
A lot of 'facts' but no substance! - 'substance'
[quote][p][bold]Dharma[/bold] wrote: Reading many of the comments above made me despair about our humanity. My impression was that they were written by unhappy people wishing to vent their frustrations about their lives who found some key triggers in this news story such as an aspiration to buy her son a PlayStation 4. Some of the ‘facts’ are, however, called into question. The article stated a loss of £12 per month but Councillor Paul Denham’s blog (referred to in earlier comments) stated a figure of £14 per week. The primary ‘fact’ is that we do not have sufficient accurate information to make an informed judgement on the issues. I understand the reason for trying to limit under occupation of social housing and, largely, support the intention. I cannot, however, accept or condone the personal attacks on any individual based on anecdote and prejudice.[/p][/quote]A lot of 'facts' but no substance! - 'substance' Guy66

10:30pm Thu 5 Dec 13

CJH says...

Dharma wrote:
Reading many of the comments above made me despair about our humanity. My impression was that they were written by unhappy people wishing to vent their frustrations about their lives who found some key triggers in this news story such as an aspiration to buy her son a PlayStation 4.
Some of the ‘facts’ are, however, called into question. The article stated a loss of £12 per month but Councillor Paul Denham’s blog (referred to in earlier comments) stated a figure of £14 per week. The primary ‘fact’ is that we do not have sufficient accurate information to make an informed judgement on the issues.
I understand the reason for trying to limit under occupation of social housing and, largely, support the intention. I cannot, however, accept or condone the personal attacks on any individual based on anecdote and prejudice.
We have her 'anecdote' that she cannot even afford to buy christmas cards or ANY present at all for her son...
[quote][p][bold]Dharma[/bold] wrote: Reading many of the comments above made me despair about our humanity. My impression was that they were written by unhappy people wishing to vent their frustrations about their lives who found some key triggers in this news story such as an aspiration to buy her son a PlayStation 4. Some of the ‘facts’ are, however, called into question. The article stated a loss of £12 per month but Councillor Paul Denham’s blog (referred to in earlier comments) stated a figure of £14 per week. The primary ‘fact’ is that we do not have sufficient accurate information to make an informed judgement on the issues. I understand the reason for trying to limit under occupation of social housing and, largely, support the intention. I cannot, however, accept or condone the personal attacks on any individual based on anecdote and prejudice.[/p][/quote]We have her 'anecdote' that she cannot even afford to buy christmas cards or ANY present at all for her son... CJH

11:10pm Thu 5 Dec 13

liketoknow says...

Dharma wrote:
liketoknow wrote:
Dharma wrote:
Reading many of the comments above made me despair about our humanity. My impression was that they were written by unhappy people wishing to vent their frustrations about their lives who found some key triggers in this news story such as an aspiration to buy her son a PlayStation 4.
Some of the ‘facts’ are, however, called into question. The article stated a loss of £12 per month but Councillor Paul Denham’s blog (referred to in earlier comments) stated a figure of £14 per week. The primary ‘fact’ is that we do not have sufficient accurate information to make an informed judgement on the issues.
I understand the reason for trying to limit under occupation of social housing and, largely, support the intention. I cannot, however, accept or condone the personal attacks on any individual based on anecdote and prejudice.
primary 'fact' number one, this country is in a financial mess, wether or not this woman is genuine or not is beside the point . many people are abusing the system, which is designed to provide a standard of living befitting a civilised country. don't think a playstation meets the requirements, or perhaps your saying there is no abuse of the system and millions of pounds of 'our' money are not wasted.
I do not accept abuse of our benefit system and I didn't say or infer anything which could support that view. If you have a point to make about the state of our nation you might wish to make a new post as this is about a specific case.
the fact still remains that many people on benefit are financially better off than a lot of people who work, so if you despair of humanity at least youcan understand why this causes so much comment ..you can call as many 'facts into question as you want, one is that many families who go out to work , meaning getting up and putting in a shift can get nowhere near the amount of income she gets. unhappy , venting frustrations? too right
[quote][p][bold]Dharma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dharma[/bold] wrote: Reading many of the comments above made me despair about our humanity. My impression was that they were written by unhappy people wishing to vent their frustrations about their lives who found some key triggers in this news story such as an aspiration to buy her son a PlayStation 4. Some of the ‘facts’ are, however, called into question. The article stated a loss of £12 per month but Councillor Paul Denham’s blog (referred to in earlier comments) stated a figure of £14 per week. The primary ‘fact’ is that we do not have sufficient accurate information to make an informed judgement on the issues. I understand the reason for trying to limit under occupation of social housing and, largely, support the intention. I cannot, however, accept or condone the personal attacks on any individual based on anecdote and prejudice.[/p][/quote]primary 'fact' number one, this country is in a financial mess, wether or not this woman is genuine or not is beside the point . many people are abusing the system, which is designed to provide a standard of living befitting a civilised country. don't think a playstation meets the requirements, or perhaps your saying there is no abuse of the system and millions of pounds of 'our' money are not wasted.[/p][/quote]I do not accept abuse of our benefit system and I didn't say or infer anything which could support that view. If you have a point to make about the state of our nation you might wish to make a new post as this is about a specific case.[/p][/quote]the fact still remains that many people on benefit are financially better off than a lot of people who work, so if you despair of humanity at least youcan understand why this causes so much comment ..you can call as many 'facts into question as you want, one is that many families who go out to work , meaning getting up and putting in a shift can get nowhere near the amount of income she gets. unhappy , venting frustrations? too right liketoknow

5:45am Fri 6 Dec 13

Vox populi says...

Personally I didn't think the PS4 offered much value for money. I'm sticking with my PS3 thanks...
Personally I didn't think the PS4 offered much value for money. I'm sticking with my PS3 thanks... Vox populi

7:42am Fri 6 Dec 13

Matt Wilkie says...

CJH wrote:
If begging in the street is illegal, shouldn't begging like this also be stopped? I hope no-one falls for this sob story, and if people do have spare money for goodness sake give it to a charity which really needs it, not someone who wants a Playstation. There are many managing on less money than this, and managing perfectly well. Still, at least it looks as if she could afford to put a nice red colour on her hair. Priorities eh?
Give it to a charity? having a laugh! 70% administration charges at the very least.

Issue here is the difference between what people need and what people "expect". I live out in the Philippines and have seen the devastation of Typhoon Haiyan where people haven't got homes left. Haven't got roofs over their heads but still say thank you for giving them a small bag of food. There is no "I deserve" or "I have a right" mentality. At the same time its a sign of the times in the UK things are changing the benefit class are starting to feel the pinch that Atlas has shrugged.

The fact is although people grumble that benefits aren't enough who live on them. Many need a reality check!
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: If begging in the street is illegal, shouldn't begging like this also be stopped? I hope no-one falls for this sob story, and if people do have spare money for goodness sake give it to a charity which really needs it, not someone who wants a Playstation. There are many managing on less money than this, and managing perfectly well. Still, at least it looks as if she could afford to put a nice red colour on her hair. Priorities eh?[/p][/quote]Give it to a charity? having a laugh! 70% administration charges at the very least. Issue here is the difference between what people need and what people "expect". I live out in the Philippines and have seen the devastation of Typhoon Haiyan where people haven't got homes left. Haven't got roofs over their heads but still say thank you for giving them a small bag of food. There is no "I deserve" or "I have a right" mentality. At the same time its a sign of the times in the UK things are changing the benefit class are starting to feel the pinch that Atlas has shrugged. The fact is although people grumble that benefits aren't enough who live on them. Many need a reality check! Matt Wilkie

8:48am Fri 6 Dec 13

kidderlord says...

pdenham wrote:
I was Lisa Taylor's local councillor in September when she was forced to move house. I contacted the Worcester News hoping they would run a story about the severe hardship which this benefits change has made to many people, including Lisa.
You can read the true story here:
http://citycouncillo

r.blogspot.co.uk/

It is a pity that the story has now been used months later by a different reporter to add to the view of many that people with diabilities and dependent on benefits are all scroungers.

I meet a lot of people in Worcester who have to put up with living on or below the bread line and most of the writers above would not want to be in that situation.
Well if as you are implying this is an old story why did she allow it to be published.AS someone who is disabled, and have had my benefits cut, and had to move and paid out thousands of pounds to do so ( carpets, fittings, fencing etc- paid for out of my early pension sum, not by the state) I have to struggle and manage. I don't run to the paper every five minutes with stories like little Johnnies had his bike stolen, or my washing machine has bike and I cant afford a new one, etc etc etc, ALL attempts to freeload off generous businesses and individuals. GET real Lisa and stop giving the rest of us a bad name. That's a bulls eye I think.. or 180- apparently Lisa will understand.
[quote][p][bold]pdenham[/bold] wrote: I was Lisa Taylor's local councillor in September when she was forced to move house. I contacted the Worcester News hoping they would run a story about the severe hardship which this benefits change has made to many people, including Lisa. You can read the true story here: http://citycouncillo r.blogspot.co.uk/ It is a pity that the story has now been used months later by a different reporter to add to the view of many that people with diabilities and dependent on benefits are all scroungers. I meet a lot of people in Worcester who have to put up with living on or below the bread line and most of the writers above would not want to be in that situation.[/p][/quote]Well if as you are implying this is an old story why did she allow it to be published.AS someone who is disabled, and have had my benefits cut, and had to move and paid out thousands of pounds to do so ( carpets, fittings, fencing etc- paid for out of my early pension sum, not by the state) I have to struggle and manage. I don't run to the paper every five minutes with stories like little Johnnies had his bike stolen, or my washing machine has bike and I cant afford a new one, etc etc etc, ALL attempts to freeload off generous businesses and individuals. GET real Lisa and stop giving the rest of us a bad name. That's a bulls eye I think.. or 180- apparently Lisa will understand. kidderlord

8:58am Fri 6 Dec 13

kidderlord says...

Oh btw, if anyone can help- my 22" all in one touch screen pc has broken. I am very distressed as I can not order my drink online and take benefit of the free delivery and special offers at Asda. It also means I can jot get my smoked salmon delivered for breakfast. I have tried using my 50 inch tv but it is not a smart tv, and anyway there is a crackle on my surround sound system. I cant afford to replace them as the council expect me to pay parking in disabled parking spots which will cost me over a thousand pound a year from my savings. Can someone please help me, currys/ pc world maybe - as the stress is killing me, and I am now on 40 fags and a bottle of vodka a day, and have to eat out daily as I cant cope cooking. Thanks- please make my Christmas. Miind you, on the other hand, if u have a couple of quid to spare, u could help out the needy and desperate and donate to the Maggs day centre for their christmas food. Thanks.
Oh btw, if anyone can help- my 22" all in one touch screen pc has broken. I am very distressed as I can not order my drink online and take benefit of the free delivery and special offers at Asda. It also means I can jot get my smoked salmon delivered for breakfast. I have tried using my 50 inch tv but it is not a smart tv, and anyway there is a crackle on my surround sound system. I cant afford to replace them as the council expect me to pay parking in disabled parking spots which will cost me over a thousand pound a year from my savings. Can someone please help me, currys/ pc world maybe - as the stress is killing me, and I am now on 40 fags and a bottle of vodka a day, and have to eat out daily as I cant cope cooking. Thanks- please make my Christmas. Miind you, on the other hand, if u have a couple of quid to spare, u could help out the needy and desperate and donate to the Maggs day centre for their christmas food. Thanks. kidderlord

9:46am Fri 6 Dec 13

CJH says...

Matt Wilkie wrote:
CJH wrote:
If begging in the street is illegal, shouldn't begging like this also be stopped? I hope no-one falls for this sob story, and if people do have spare money for goodness sake give it to a charity which really needs it, not someone who wants a Playstation. There are many managing on less money than this, and managing perfectly well. Still, at least it looks as if she could afford to put a nice red colour on her hair. Priorities eh?
Give it to a charity? having a laugh! 70% administration charges at the very least.

Issue here is the difference between what people need and what people "expect". I live out in the Philippines and have seen the devastation of Typhoon Haiyan where people haven't got homes left. Haven't got roofs over their heads but still say thank you for giving them a small bag of food. There is no "I deserve" or "I have a right" mentality. At the same time its a sign of the times in the UK things are changing the benefit class are starting to feel the pinch that Atlas has shrugged.

The fact is although people grumble that benefits aren't enough who live on them. Many need a reality check!
"Give it to a charity? having a laugh! 70% administration charges at the very least." I hope no-one is put off giving to charity by this foolish statement.There may be some charities who have high admin costs, but they are in a minority. Pick your charities carefully.. I'm going to St Richards Hospice later this morning. I'll pass on your good wishes shall I?
[quote][p][bold]Matt Wilkie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: If begging in the street is illegal, shouldn't begging like this also be stopped? I hope no-one falls for this sob story, and if people do have spare money for goodness sake give it to a charity which really needs it, not someone who wants a Playstation. There are many managing on less money than this, and managing perfectly well. Still, at least it looks as if she could afford to put a nice red colour on her hair. Priorities eh?[/p][/quote]Give it to a charity? having a laugh! 70% administration charges at the very least. Issue here is the difference between what people need and what people "expect". I live out in the Philippines and have seen the devastation of Typhoon Haiyan where people haven't got homes left. Haven't got roofs over their heads but still say thank you for giving them a small bag of food. There is no "I deserve" or "I have a right" mentality. At the same time its a sign of the times in the UK things are changing the benefit class are starting to feel the pinch that Atlas has shrugged. The fact is although people grumble that benefits aren't enough who live on them. Many need a reality check![/p][/quote]"Give it to a charity? having a laugh! 70% administration charges at the very least." I hope no-one is put off giving to charity by this foolish statement.There may be some charities who have high admin costs, but they are in a minority. Pick your charities carefully.. I'm going to St Richards Hospice later this morning. I'll pass on your good wishes shall I? CJH

11:23am Fri 6 Dec 13

1twogo says...

After reading the article several times I reviewing my previous post I still can’t get my head around the basic facts…

“The tax resulted in a 14 per cent cut in her housing benefit, leaving her more than £12 a month out of pocket, and she is still uncertain of how much she owes in rent arrears because of the tax and she ended up paying £900 in savings set aside for Christmas to fund the move to their new home.”

I assume there is a mistake where the monthly payment should be in fact weekly (that is how my benefit is worked out). With some simple mathematics I sure Ms Taylor, or even her sixteen year old son, could work out how much she owed. I am certain that her housing association will have communicated this to her in any respect and if not she could have easily asked them to provide a statement. Having £900 savings would have easily paid that arrears (she still has to pay it anyway) and then had a little left over ‘for Christmas’.

“Since the bedroom tax was brought in she can no longer afford to buy her son a PlayStation 4 for Christmas.”

When the single room subsidy was introduced I’m sure the PlayStation 4 didn’t exist. And why is she blaming the introduction of the single room subsidy as the cause for being unable to buy it.

The real fact here is the subject of the spare room subsidy. Sadly the WN’s chosen article doesn’t really demonstrate a realistic affects it has on the vulnerable. There must be cases far more worthy that someone who can’t afford and electric toy. Please WN find a NEEDY not the GREADY subject to report the harsh way this benefit cuts are hitting people. The answer I have for Ms Taylor is, think yourself lucky you have a roof over your head, the company of your son, warmth, food and a regular income… budget, plan and please, stop moaning!
After reading the article several times I reviewing my previous post I still can’t get my head around the basic facts… “The tax resulted in a 14 per cent cut in her housing benefit, leaving her more than £12 a month out of pocket, and she is still uncertain of how much she owes in rent arrears because of the tax and she ended up paying £900 in savings set aside for Christmas to fund the move to their new home.” I assume there is a mistake where the monthly payment should be in fact weekly (that is how my benefit is worked out). With some simple mathematics I sure Ms Taylor, or even her sixteen year old son, could work out how much she owed. I am certain that her housing association will have communicated this to her in any respect and if not she could have easily asked them to provide a statement. Having £900 savings would have easily paid that arrears (she still has to pay it anyway) and then had a little left over ‘for Christmas’. “Since the bedroom tax was brought in she can no longer afford to buy her son a PlayStation 4 for Christmas.” When the single room subsidy was introduced I’m sure the PlayStation 4 didn’t exist. And why is she blaming the introduction of the single room subsidy as the cause for being unable to buy it. The real fact here is the subject of the spare room subsidy. Sadly the WN’s chosen article doesn’t really demonstrate a realistic affects it has on the vulnerable. There must be cases far more worthy that someone who can’t afford and electric toy. Please WN find a NEEDY not the GREADY subject to report the harsh way this benefit cuts are hitting people. The answer I have for Ms Taylor is, think yourself lucky you have a roof over your head, the company of your son, warmth, food and a regular income… budget, plan and please, stop moaning! 1twogo

12:31pm Fri 6 Dec 13

dougie1968 says...

its a shame we dont no the exact benefits that r claimed here,i no alot of people that claim esa,and top rate of dla,with housing benefits and council tax,free bus travel and prescriptions,someon
e would have to get employment at £26000 per year,most of these people even if they were well would not get employment at that amount,so why give it in benefits!no wonder we have a workshy culture.
its a shame we dont no the exact benefits that r claimed here,i no alot of people that claim esa,and top rate of dla,with housing benefits and council tax,free bus travel and prescriptions,someon e would have to get employment at £26000 per year,most of these people even if they were well would not get employment at that amount,so why give it in benefits!no wonder we have a workshy culture. dougie1968

12:33pm Fri 6 Dec 13

dougie1968 says...

Arthur Blenkinsop wrote:
That's £278 per week in benefits. More than some people earn doing a 40+ hour week. And still she moans!
they do all of them!
[quote][p][bold]Arthur Blenkinsop[/bold] wrote: That's £278 per week in benefits. More than some people earn doing a 40+ hour week. And still she moans![/p][/quote]they do all of them! dougie1968

12:37pm Fri 6 Dec 13

dougie1968 says...

SharkLasers wrote:
Ahh, Fibromyalgia. Funny disease as it doesn't actually exist. It's a list of symptoms that have no cause. The other funny thing is that anyone I know who have it only "caught" it in the last few years when it looked like their DLA was about to be cut. And they are all overweight and unfit.
lol dont forget the scooters
[quote][p][bold]SharkLasers[/bold] wrote: Ahh, Fibromyalgia. Funny disease as it doesn't actually exist. It's a list of symptoms that have no cause. The other funny thing is that anyone I know who have it only "caught" it in the last few years when it looked like their DLA was about to be cut. And they are all overweight and unfit.[/p][/quote]lol dont forget the scooters dougie1968

1:00pm Fri 6 Dec 13

1twogo says...

The more people look into this article the more tragic it becomes.

Counselling, support, practical solutions providing life skills and an awareness of reality is what is needed… let’s hope this is on the Christmas list. It's all available and for free in most cases.

We live in an ‘I want’ society before we fulfil the ‘I need’ spectrum. It is just sad to see this scenario played out in the glow of the media which fuels resentment and anger for people who deal with how their life has evolved.

Buck up, take it all on the chin and get on with the basic values in life. Honesty, self-pride, and learning to live within ones needs is a start. Just do it!
The more people look into this article the more tragic it becomes. Counselling, support, practical solutions providing life skills and an awareness of reality is what is needed… let’s hope this is on the Christmas list. It's all available and for free in most cases. We live in an ‘I want’ society before we fulfil the ‘I need’ spectrum. It is just sad to see this scenario played out in the glow of the media which fuels resentment and anger for people who deal with how their life has evolved. Buck up, take it all on the chin and get on with the basic values in life. Honesty, self-pride, and learning to live within ones needs is a start. Just do it! 1twogo

3:15pm Fri 6 Dec 13

dougie1968 says...

1twogo wrote:
The more people look into this article the more tragic it becomes. Counselling, support, practical solutions providing life skills and an awareness of reality is what is needed… let’s hope this is on the Christmas list. It's all available and for free in most cases. We live in an ‘I want’ society before we fulfil the ‘I need’ spectrum. It is just sad to see this scenario played out in the glow of the media which fuels resentment and anger for people who deal with how their life has evolved. Buck up, take it all on the chin and get on with the basic values in life. Honesty, self-pride, and learning to live within ones needs is a start. Just do it!
most on benefits lie alot,ruins a safety for others mostly hard working people.
[quote][p][bold]1twogo[/bold] wrote: The more people look into this article the more tragic it becomes. Counselling, support, practical solutions providing life skills and an awareness of reality is what is needed… let’s hope this is on the Christmas list. It's all available and for free in most cases. We live in an ‘I want’ society before we fulfil the ‘I need’ spectrum. It is just sad to see this scenario played out in the glow of the media which fuels resentment and anger for people who deal with how their life has evolved. Buck up, take it all on the chin and get on with the basic values in life. Honesty, self-pride, and learning to live within ones needs is a start. Just do it![/p][/quote]most on benefits lie alot,ruins a safety for others mostly hard working people. dougie1968

4:05pm Fri 6 Dec 13

1twogo says...

How can dougie1968 reach his conclusion from anything I have said?

Beside that issue, there is no statistical evidence to infer that “most on benefits lie a lot”. This is an assumption based on what is published via the media. It is up to the benefit fraud investigation team to deal with who is or is not entitled to claim benefit. It is NOT for society to generally demonise a group for whatever reason without a solid foundation. I claim benefit at the moment but it’s not a long term solution. I owe nothing to anyone, I pay my bills on time and live comfortably within my means. It’s tough, and I have to decide how to use my money (or should I say the Tax payers money) to get the most from it.

In Ms Taylors’ eyes she is having a hard time, in other people eyes she is using the system. We can’t be judge and jury and must leave it to the authorities to conclude. Those who tow the line can get on with our day to day life without looking over their shoulder or worry about who sees them doing what.

Come on now people of Worcestershire, this is the season of good will to all… especially those who REALLY NEED it.
How can dougie1968 reach his conclusion from anything I have said? Beside that issue, there is no statistical evidence to infer that “most on benefits lie a lot”. This is an assumption based on what is published via the media. It is up to the benefit fraud investigation team to deal with who is or is not entitled to claim benefit. It is NOT for society to generally demonise a group for whatever reason without a solid foundation. I claim benefit at the moment but it’s not a long term solution. I owe nothing to anyone, I pay my bills on time and live comfortably within my means. It’s tough, and I have to decide how to use my money (or should I say the Tax payers money) to get the most from it. In Ms Taylors’ eyes she is having a hard time, in other people eyes she is using the system. We can’t be judge and jury and must leave it to the authorities to conclude. Those who tow the line can get on with our day to day life without looking over their shoulder or worry about who sees them doing what. Come on now people of Worcestershire, this is the season of good will to all… especially those who REALLY NEED it. 1twogo

6:12pm Fri 6 Dec 13

dougie1968 says...

1twogo wrote:
How can dougie1968 reach his conclusion from anything I have said? Beside that issue, there is no statistical evidence to infer that “most on benefits lie a lot”. This is an assumption based on what is published via the media. It is up to the benefit fraud investigation team to deal with who is or is not entitled to claim benefit. It is NOT for society to generally demonise a group for whatever reason without a solid foundation. I claim benefit at the moment but it’s not a long term solution. I owe nothing to anyone, I pay my bills on time and live comfortably within my means. It’s tough, and I have to decide how to use my money (or should I say the Tax payers money) to get the most from it. In Ms Taylors’ eyes she is having a hard time, in other people eyes she is using the system. We can’t be judge and jury and must leave it to the authorities to conclude. Those who tow the line can get on with our day to day life without looking over their shoulder or worry about who sees them doing what. Come on now people of Worcestershire, this is the season of good will to all… especially those who REALLY NEED it.
70 years ago we had the workhouse,there wouldnt be so many sick or lazy if that culture was still in place.what would alot do without benefits,they would have to think,work not breed with each other without a care in the world of how to bring them up,even teachers are at there wits end with them,shame for the ones that want to get on.
[quote][p][bold]1twogo[/bold] wrote: How can dougie1968 reach his conclusion from anything I have said? Beside that issue, there is no statistical evidence to infer that “most on benefits lie a lot”. This is an assumption based on what is published via the media. It is up to the benefit fraud investigation team to deal with who is or is not entitled to claim benefit. It is NOT for society to generally demonise a group for whatever reason without a solid foundation. I claim benefit at the moment but it’s not a long term solution. I owe nothing to anyone, I pay my bills on time and live comfortably within my means. It’s tough, and I have to decide how to use my money (or should I say the Tax payers money) to get the most from it. In Ms Taylors’ eyes she is having a hard time, in other people eyes she is using the system. We can’t be judge and jury and must leave it to the authorities to conclude. Those who tow the line can get on with our day to day life without looking over their shoulder or worry about who sees them doing what. Come on now people of Worcestershire, this is the season of good will to all… especially those who REALLY NEED it.[/p][/quote]70 years ago we had the workhouse,there wouldnt be so many sick or lazy if that culture was still in place.what would alot do without benefits,they would have to think,work not breed with each other without a care in the world of how to bring them up,even teachers are at there wits end with them,shame for the ones that want to get on. dougie1968

6:47pm Fri 6 Dec 13

pinkfluff says...

Vox populi wrote:
Personally I didn't think the PS4 offered much value for money. I'm sticking with my PS3 thanks...
I'm sticking with my laptop......that will do for me :-)
[quote][p][bold]Vox populi[/bold] wrote: Personally I didn't think the PS4 offered much value for money. I'm sticking with my PS3 thanks...[/p][/quote]I'm sticking with my laptop......that will do for me :-) pinkfluff

6:57pm Fri 6 Dec 13

pinkfluff says...

1twogo wrote:
After reading the article several times I reviewing my previous post I still can’t get my head around the basic facts…

“The tax resulted in a 14 per cent cut in her housing benefit, leaving her more than £12 a month out of pocket, and she is still uncertain of how much she owes in rent arrears because of the tax and she ended up paying £900 in savings set aside for Christmas to fund the move to their new home.”

I assume there is a mistake where the monthly payment should be in fact weekly (that is how my benefit is worked out). With some simple mathematics I sure Ms Taylor, or even her sixteen year old son, could work out how much she owed. I am certain that her housing association will have communicated this to her in any respect and if not she could have easily asked them to provide a statement. Having £900 savings would have easily paid that arrears (she still has to pay it anyway) and then had a little left over ‘for Christmas’.

“Since the bedroom tax was brought in she can no longer afford to buy her son a PlayStation 4 for Christmas.”

When the single room subsidy was introduced I’m sure the PlayStation 4 didn’t exist. And why is she blaming the introduction of the single room subsidy as the cause for being unable to buy it.

The real fact here is the subject of the spare room subsidy. Sadly the WN’s chosen article doesn’t really demonstrate a realistic affects it has on the vulnerable. There must be cases far more worthy that someone who can’t afford and electric toy. Please WN find a NEEDY not the GREADY subject to report the harsh way this benefit cuts are hitting people. The answer I have for Ms Taylor is, think yourself lucky you have a roof over your head, the company of your son, warmth, food and a regular income… budget, plan and please, stop moaning!
I agree, when articles like this do the rounds I do see it as Tory propaganda to support and justify slowly eroding benefits. The NHS is next.

Plenty of articles around like.. I've been given a 5 bedroom house and its not big enough or I can't work because I'm allergic to my shoes!! These people do not represent the vast majority of people on benefits who would much rather work.

I don't get to see many articles about the tax evaders and how much MP's can claim (usually £1000's) for their SECOND homes. Who are the real scroungers in the country??
[quote][p][bold]1twogo[/bold] wrote: After reading the article several times I reviewing my previous post I still can’t get my head around the basic facts… “The tax resulted in a 14 per cent cut in her housing benefit, leaving her more than £12 a month out of pocket, and she is still uncertain of how much she owes in rent arrears because of the tax and she ended up paying £900 in savings set aside for Christmas to fund the move to their new home.” I assume there is a mistake where the monthly payment should be in fact weekly (that is how my benefit is worked out). With some simple mathematics I sure Ms Taylor, or even her sixteen year old son, could work out how much she owed. I am certain that her housing association will have communicated this to her in any respect and if not she could have easily asked them to provide a statement. Having £900 savings would have easily paid that arrears (she still has to pay it anyway) and then had a little left over ‘for Christmas’. “Since the bedroom tax was brought in she can no longer afford to buy her son a PlayStation 4 for Christmas.” When the single room subsidy was introduced I’m sure the PlayStation 4 didn’t exist. And why is she blaming the introduction of the single room subsidy as the cause for being unable to buy it. The real fact here is the subject of the spare room subsidy. Sadly the WN’s chosen article doesn’t really demonstrate a realistic affects it has on the vulnerable. There must be cases far more worthy that someone who can’t afford and electric toy. Please WN find a NEEDY not the GREADY subject to report the harsh way this benefit cuts are hitting people. The answer I have for Ms Taylor is, think yourself lucky you have a roof over your head, the company of your son, warmth, food and a regular income… budget, plan and please, stop moaning![/p][/quote]I agree, when articles like this do the rounds I do see it as Tory propaganda to support and justify slowly eroding benefits. The NHS is next. Plenty of articles around like.. I've been given a 5 bedroom house and its not big enough or I can't work because I'm allergic to my shoes!! These people do not represent the vast majority of people on benefits who would much rather work. I don't get to see many articles about the tax evaders and how much MP's can claim (usually £1000's) for their SECOND homes. Who are the real scroungers in the country?? pinkfluff

7:04pm Fri 6 Dec 13

digitaltoast says...

Right, let's get a few facts straight, because their appear to be more plot holes than an episode of Dr Who. And let's hope blockquote does what it does everywhere else - apologies if formatting is messed up, but please read and see what you think.

Here's what Councillor Paul Denham writes on his blog:
"Lisa first contacted me on 4th January 2013, well before the bedroom tax was to be introduced. She is a single mum with a disability which prevents her from working and relies on social security benefits to support herself and her primary age son.

But hang on, the article says:
""Lisa Taylor and her son Ben, aged 16"...

Both posts mention one son. "Primary age" is 4 to 11. Has Ben magically aged 5 years in just 3 months? Is someone telling porkies?

"She is careful with her money and her only ”luxury” was Sky TV which she feels is justified as she is housebound much of the time.

The AVERAGE Sky subscription is over £600 per year now. Plus the license fee of £145.
As we don't know the exact facts, let's be extremely cautious and say she's on the basic minimum Sky package of £21/month = £258 + TV license = £403 p/a.

I paid one-off £50 for a Freesat box + dish, for which I get 180 channels with no subscription, for my £145 per year because, as a working person, I really can't can't justify £745 a year of my money, let alone of other people's money.

"Lisa has avoided taking on large debts but has had to rely on buying some items from a catalogue on credit when her son needed items for school beyond her weekly budget.

Er... catalogues are by FAR the most expensive way of shopping. Even if you have an interest free period, catalogue shopping is AT LEAST a third more expensive than high street or other retail.

"She knew that the bedroom tax could add £14 a week to her rent from April and that she could not afford to pay more without depriving the family of food and heating"

First of all, it's not a tax. It's just slightly less free stuff from other people for something you don't need or use.

Secondly, "the family"... of two?! You can eat well and nutritiously with fresh food for under £3 a day each.
So that's £42 a week for food. Plus, say, £12 a week max to heat a house (above-average figure for if it were poorly insulated).

That's £216/month. Lisa is getting £840/month. If there's REALLY nothing else she can squeeze of the household budget, knock the Sky on the head. If money's that tight, the extra £6 a week (minimum) would make a difference, right? Oh, but the inhumanity of just 180 channels.

But then, not spending £900 on Christmas including a £350 games console might help too, eh?

You know what would be interesting? A detailed and honest analysis of this Lisa's household budget.

There's a proverb: "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime".

Give someone a handout, and all they have is that handout. Teach someone to manage a household budget and have a reasonable expectation of life's affordability, and you give them far, far more than a state handout can in most circumstances. Like some personal responsibility the opportunity to be a good role model.

Nelson Mandela dying just reminded me of the enormous void between those who do, and those who won't.
Mandela suffered ill health, beatings and incarceration for much of his life, and yet went on to become president and change the culture of a nation.

I once interviewed this old chap who'd just turned 100. He was one of 19 children. There were no state benefits. They all just mucked in and got on with it. You want to eat? Then help put the food on the table. You want to go for a beer? Earn the money to buy a beer.

Councillor Dehnam wrote:

"We should all feel ashamed and deeply offended by what is being done to Lisa and many, many others, in our name."

No. I don't. We're one of the most generous countries in the world. What I'm ashamed of is that so many people fall so easily for the easy, lazy rhetoric of the left and their "us vs them" culture, manufacturing this fear of divisiveness. That's all Labour seem to offer, because that's all they HAVE to offer.

The spin has been unspun. There's no magic money tree. There's also no such thing as "Government money".
It's all our money. Every penny paid into one person's pocket comes out of another person's pocket.
Oh, and incidentally, for the Occupy types who want to "destroy" the top 1% of earners, those top 1% contribute almost 30% of the UK's income tax, and by extension, the largest part of Lisa's benefits.

No, the only thing I'm ashamed and deeply offended by is that people vote for people like Councillor Denham.

Now, come on, Worcester News, if you REALLY want to do some good journalistic endevour, let's have a follow up, eh?
Right, let's get a few facts straight, because their appear to be more plot holes than an episode of Dr Who. And let's hope blockquote does what it does everywhere else - apologies if formatting is messed up, but please read and see what you think. Here's what Councillor Paul Denham writes on his blog: "Lisa first contacted me on 4th January 2013, well before the bedroom tax was to be introduced. She is a single mum with a disability which prevents her from working and relies on social security benefits to support herself and her primary age son. But hang on, the article says: ""Lisa Taylor and her son Ben, aged 16"... Both posts mention one son. "Primary age" is 4 to 11. Has Ben magically aged 5 years in just 3 months? Is someone telling porkies? "She is careful with her money and her only ”luxury” was Sky TV which she feels is justified as she is housebound much of the time. The AVERAGE Sky subscription is over £600 per year now. Plus the license fee of £145. As we don't know the exact facts, let's be extremely cautious and say she's on the basic minimum Sky package of £21/month = £258 + TV license = £403 p/a. I paid one-off £50 for a Freesat box + dish, for which I get 180 channels with no subscription, for my £145 per year because, as a working person, I really can't can't justify £745 a year of my money, let alone of other people's money. "Lisa has avoided taking on large debts but has had to rely on buying some items from a catalogue on credit when her son needed items for school beyond her weekly budget. Er... catalogues are by FAR the most expensive way of shopping. Even if you have an interest free period, catalogue shopping is AT LEAST a third more expensive than high street or other retail. "She knew that the bedroom tax could add £14 a week to her rent from April and that she could not afford to pay more without depriving the family of food and heating" First of all, it's not a tax. It's just slightly less free stuff from other people for something you don't need or use. Secondly, "the family"... of two?! You can eat well and nutritiously with fresh food for under £3 a day each. So that's £42 a week for food. Plus, say, £12 a week max to heat a house (above-average figure for if it were poorly insulated). That's £216/month. Lisa is getting £840/month. If there's REALLY nothing else she can squeeze of the household budget, knock the Sky on the head. If money's that tight, the extra £6 a week (minimum) would make a difference, right? Oh, but the inhumanity of just 180 channels. But then, not spending £900 on Christmas including a £350 games console might help too, eh? You know what would be interesting? A detailed and honest analysis of this Lisa's household budget. There's a proverb: "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime". Give someone a handout, and all they have is that handout. Teach someone to manage a household budget and have a reasonable expectation of life's affordability, and you give them far, far more than a state handout can in most circumstances. Like some personal responsibility the opportunity to be a good role model. Nelson Mandela dying just reminded me of the enormous void between those who do, and those who won't. Mandela suffered ill health, beatings and incarceration for much of his life, and yet went on to become president and change the culture of a nation. I once interviewed this old chap who'd just turned 100. He was one of 19 children. There were no state benefits. They all just mucked in and got on with it. You want to eat? Then help put the food on the table. You want to go for a beer? Earn the money to buy a beer. Councillor Dehnam wrote: "We should all feel ashamed and deeply offended by what is being done to Lisa and many, many others, in our name." No. I don't. We're one of the most generous countries in the world. What I'm ashamed of is that so many people fall so easily for the easy, lazy rhetoric of the left and their "us vs them" culture, manufacturing this fear of divisiveness. That's all Labour seem to offer, because that's all they HAVE to offer. The spin has been unspun. There's no magic money tree. There's also no such thing as "Government money". It's all our money. Every penny paid into one person's pocket comes out of another person's pocket. Oh, and incidentally, for the Occupy types who want to "destroy" the top 1% of earners, those top 1% contribute almost 30% of the UK's income tax, and by extension, the largest part of Lisa's benefits. No, the only thing I'm ashamed and deeply offended by is that people vote for people like Councillor Denham. Now, come on, Worcester News, if you REALLY want to do some good journalistic endevour, let's have a follow up, eh? digitaltoast

7:24pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Jabbadad says...

The Tory Millionaire backers who by using shifty accountants deliberately avoid paying tax are worse than any so-called benifit fraudster, and with the blessing of Cameron and Osborne are robbing this country of £Billions.
And when the papers say that Osborne has a smile on his face after the welcome but not brilliant Autum figures, his smile could be wiped off his face by those who have lost their jobs and possibly their homes, and now have ZERO HOUR jobs which some weeks give 12 hours and some weeks no hours, and we know that due to Osborne there are around 1 million now on ZERO HOURS. So yes I could wipe the smile off his insipid face by telling him of the Older People that he is abandoning, and those with mental health issues and Learning Difficulties who are having their funding stopped.
I could willingly wipe the smile off his and Iain Duncan Smiths face who has already wasted Many £millions on failed IT equipment and software for the welfare reform and will continue to waste £millions more which will become £Billions until they stop or succeed.
And with the pensioners working longer until 68 then 70, what happens to our young people who are waiting to get on the jobs ladder, when the jobs are taken up by yet another failed Madcap Tory scheme of people working longer.
The Tory Millionaire backers who by using shifty accountants deliberately avoid paying tax are worse than any so-called benifit fraudster, and with the blessing of Cameron and Osborne are robbing this country of £Billions. And when the papers say that Osborne has a smile on his face after the welcome but not brilliant Autum figures, his smile could be wiped off his face by those who have lost their jobs and possibly their homes, and now have ZERO HOUR jobs which some weeks give 12 hours and some weeks no hours, and we know that due to Osborne there are around 1 million now on ZERO HOURS. So yes I could wipe the smile off his insipid face by telling him of the Older People that he is abandoning, and those with mental health issues and Learning Difficulties who are having their funding stopped. I could willingly wipe the smile off his and Iain Duncan Smiths face who has already wasted Many £millions on failed IT equipment and software for the welfare reform and will continue to waste £millions more which will become £Billions until they stop or succeed. And with the pensioners working longer until 68 then 70, what happens to our young people who are waiting to get on the jobs ladder, when the jobs are taken up by yet another failed Madcap Tory scheme of people working longer. Jabbadad

10:10pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Andy-Apache says...

Oh for gods sake shut up making out that 'the evil tories' have ruined the world. It's boring.

Cost of moving house? Two days hire of a 2.5 tonne tail lift van = £90. (Could have done it in one day if we hadn't packed in early to go to the Worcester beer fest, so £45 in that case) Plus about a tenners worth of diesel. Bunch of mates to help with lift and shift. Cost - Bacon butties and tea.

Errr, that was it. No further costs.
Oh for gods sake shut up making out that 'the evil tories' have ruined the world. It's boring. Cost of moving house? Two days hire of a 2.5 tonne tail lift van = £90. (Could have done it in one day if we hadn't packed in early to go to the Worcester beer fest, so £45 in that case) Plus about a tenners worth of diesel. Bunch of mates to help with lift and shift. Cost - Bacon butties and tea. Errr, that was it. No further costs. Andy-Apache

12:24am Sat 7 Dec 13

Jabbadad says...

Andy-apache it won't be Tory sympathsisors like you who will shut me up, it would help if it were the demise of the Nasty Tory eliment in society.
So you and others defend the indefensible while the MUCH LESS FORTUNATE suffer. Just today I was listening to people with mental health issues who are desperately worried about their future, a future which is in the hands of the Tories. You couldn't get a worse scenario.
Andy for every person that you and the critics on here can vilify there will be many more genuine and vulnerable people which society should be caring about, but Tories obviously wrote PULL THE LADDER UP I'M ALRIGHT JACK. while their interpretation they use is WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER. Take your BLUE Tinted glasses off there is a real world out here..
Andy-apache it won't be Tory sympathsisors like you who will shut me up, it would help if it were the demise of the Nasty Tory eliment in society. So you and others defend the indefensible while the MUCH LESS FORTUNATE suffer. Just today I was listening to people with mental health issues who are desperately worried about their future, a future which is in the hands of the Tories. You couldn't get a worse scenario. Andy for every person that you and the critics on here can vilify there will be many more genuine and vulnerable people which society should be caring about, but Tories obviously wrote PULL THE LADDER UP I'M ALRIGHT JACK. while their interpretation they use is WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER. Take your BLUE Tinted glasses off there is a real world out here.. Jabbadad

8:54am Sat 7 Dec 13

abailey236 says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Andy-apache it won't be Tory sympathsisors like you who will shut me up, it would help if it were the demise of the Nasty Tory eliment in society.
So you and others defend the indefensible while the MUCH LESS FORTUNATE suffer. Just today I was listening to people with mental health issues who are desperately worried about their future, a future which is in the hands of the Tories. You couldn't get a worse scenario.
Andy for every person that you and the critics on here can vilify there will be many more genuine and vulnerable people which society should be caring about, but Tories obviously wrote PULL THE LADDER UP I'M ALRIGHT JACK. while their interpretation they use is WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER. Take your BLUE Tinted glasses off there is a real world out here..
The Tories are here to stay, get used to it. It is the demise of the Labour Party that Is clearly unfolding. Obviously jabbadad is one of those who moans at what they don't have, instead of appreciating what they do have.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Andy-apache it won't be Tory sympathsisors like you who will shut me up, it would help if it were the demise of the Nasty Tory eliment in society. So you and others defend the indefensible while the MUCH LESS FORTUNATE suffer. Just today I was listening to people with mental health issues who are desperately worried about their future, a future which is in the hands of the Tories. You couldn't get a worse scenario. Andy for every person that you and the critics on here can vilify there will be many more genuine and vulnerable people which society should be caring about, but Tories obviously wrote PULL THE LADDER UP I'M ALRIGHT JACK. while their interpretation they use is WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER. Take your BLUE Tinted glasses off there is a real world out here..[/p][/quote]The Tories are here to stay, get used to it. It is the demise of the Labour Party that Is clearly unfolding. Obviously jabbadad is one of those who moans at what they don't have, instead of appreciating what they do have. abailey236

12:16pm Sat 7 Dec 13

WorcsBornandBred says...

Ahhhhhhh. The bedroom tax. I'm glad that in between paying my mortgage, PAYE, pension, car, fuel, gas, electricity, water, littlewoods account, electric, TV, broadband, car road tax, credit card, food shopping, TV licence, phone bill, mobile phone bill and donating to charity - that I don't have to contend with £12 a month.

I have to pay all the above, with the same amount of benefits that this woman gets as a bleeding handout.

It's ruined your Christmas!? Jesus Christ love. Here's a tip for you, do what the rest of us do and SAVE. If you're that disabled you can't go to work, you clearly aren't well enough to go shopping or drive, which can only mean that somewhere in your brand new, tax payer funded home, you must have one serious stash of cash!!!!!!!

Just reminding you of it, in case you'd forgotten.
Ahhhhhhh. The bedroom tax. I'm glad that in between paying my mortgage, PAYE, pension, car, fuel, gas, electricity, water, littlewoods account, electric, TV, broadband, car road tax, credit card, food shopping, TV licence, phone bill, mobile phone bill and donating to charity - that I don't have to contend with £12 a month. I have to pay all the above, with the same amount of benefits that this woman gets as a bleeding handout. It's ruined your Christmas!? Jesus Christ love. Here's a tip for you, do what the rest of us do and SAVE. If you're that disabled you can't go to work, you clearly aren't well enough to go shopping or drive, which can only mean that somewhere in your brand new, tax payer funded home, you must have one serious stash of cash!!!!!!! Just reminding you of it, in case you'd forgotten. WorcsBornandBred

12:49pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Jabbadad says...

abaileyn236 You would struggle to find anywhwere when I complain about my personal lot.
I will however continue to help, where I can, those who are being ill treated and those who do are not able to expose the disgracefull treatment that those in power are submitting them to, now and much more coming down the road as they say, while the politicians are sitting / living comfortably themselves and of course looking after their millionaire backers.
abaileyn236 You would struggle to find anywhwere when I complain about my personal lot. I will however continue to help, where I can, those who are being ill treated and those who do are not able to expose the disgracefull treatment that those in power are submitting them to, now and much more coming down the road as they say, while the politicians are sitting / living comfortably themselves and of course looking after their millionaire backers. Jabbadad

3:42pm Sat 7 Dec 13

MJI says...

WorcsBornandBred wrote:
Ahhhhhhh. The bedroom tax. I'm glad that in between paying my mortgage, PAYE, pension, car, fuel, gas, electricity, water, littlewoods account, electric, TV, broadband, car road tax, credit card, food shopping, TV licence, phone bill, mobile phone bill and donating to charity - that I don't have to contend with £12 a month.

I have to pay all the above, with the same amount of benefits that this woman gets as a bleeding handout.

It's ruined your Christmas!? Jesus Christ love. Here's a tip for you, do what the rest of us do and SAVE. If you're that disabled you can't go to work, you clearly aren't well enough to go shopping or drive, which can only mean that somewhere in your brand new, tax payer funded home, you must have one serious stash of cash!!!!!!!

Just reminding you of it, in case you'd forgotten.
Well here I am at work doing overtime. Just getting ready for a big install on Monday. I have had two Saturdays off in two months.
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I have lots of expenses too.
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Just had to replace the car tyres.
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But through overtime we do have our family Christmas present, and yes I will rub it in I worked hard for it, a PS4.
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When I get home I think I will go on Killzone Shadowfall - even though they have messed up the characters.
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The 5 previous games the so called baddies (they are not, they were victims), spoke with a strong East End accent, now they speak like Yanks.
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Now that is a bigger issue than not being able to afford a console.
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Get the voices correct GG.
[quote][p][bold]WorcsBornandBred[/bold] wrote: Ahhhhhhh. The bedroom tax. I'm glad that in between paying my mortgage, PAYE, pension, car, fuel, gas, electricity, water, littlewoods account, electric, TV, broadband, car road tax, credit card, food shopping, TV licence, phone bill, mobile phone bill and donating to charity - that I don't have to contend with £12 a month. I have to pay all the above, with the same amount of benefits that this woman gets as a bleeding handout. It's ruined your Christmas!? Jesus Christ love. Here's a tip for you, do what the rest of us do and SAVE. If you're that disabled you can't go to work, you clearly aren't well enough to go shopping or drive, which can only mean that somewhere in your brand new, tax payer funded home, you must have one serious stash of cash!!!!!!! Just reminding you of it, in case you'd forgotten.[/p][/quote]Well here I am at work doing overtime. Just getting ready for a big install on Monday. I have had two Saturdays off in two months. . I have lots of expenses too. . Just had to replace the car tyres. . But through overtime we do have our family Christmas present, and yes I will rub it in I worked hard for it, a PS4. . When I get home I think I will go on Killzone Shadowfall - even though they have messed up the characters. . The 5 previous games the so called baddies (they are not, they were victims), spoke with a strong East End accent, now they speak like Yanks. . Now that is a bigger issue than not being able to afford a console. . Get the voices correct GG. MJI

6:30pm Sat 7 Dec 13

nicki1967 says...

Jabbadad wrote:
abaileyn236 You would struggle to find anywhwere when I complain about my personal lot.
I will however continue to help, where I can, those who are being ill treated and those who do are not able to expose the disgracefull treatment that those in power are submitting them to, now and much more coming down the road as they say, while the politicians are sitting / living comfortably themselves and of course looking after their millionaire backers.
This article wasn't actually to give you a platform to justify your move from one party to another now was it. Other than that, please don't stick up for this woman. If, as many of the comments say, she is claiming fraudulently then she needs no sympathy. Also, if she was given £1000 as a 'bribe' to get her to move house then she still has her £900 that she has managed to save from our tax.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: abaileyn236 You would struggle to find anywhwere when I complain about my personal lot. I will however continue to help, where I can, those who are being ill treated and those who do are not able to expose the disgracefull treatment that those in power are submitting them to, now and much more coming down the road as they say, while the politicians are sitting / living comfortably themselves and of course looking after their millionaire backers.[/p][/quote]This article wasn't actually to give you a platform to justify your move from one party to another now was it. Other than that, please don't stick up for this woman. If, as many of the comments say, she is claiming fraudulently then she needs no sympathy. Also, if she was given £1000 as a 'bribe' to get her to move house then she still has her £900 that she has managed to save from our tax. nicki1967

12:21am Sun 8 Dec 13

Jabbadad says...

nicki1967 If you look at all the postings you will see tthat at the beginning I did suggest that this lady was very poorly, and I was glad that I did not suffer with as many ailments. But aslo stated that all the disabled and Blue badge holders would swap their badges for good health.
After the postings that were giving new information on this topic I actually apologised as being wrong. So read the postings and then comment, and of course I am glad that it isn't your say who posts what in these columns, and fortunately I do not have to follow party policy / postings. But you closet Tories by ignoring / forgetting DUTY OF CARE will take any occasion to try and defend the disgracefull actions against the vunerable and disabled won't they?
nicki1967 If you look at all the postings you will see tthat at the beginning I did suggest that this lady was very poorly, and I was glad that I did not suffer with as many ailments. But aslo stated that all the disabled and Blue badge holders would swap their badges for good health. After the postings that were giving new information on this topic I actually apologised as being wrong. So read the postings and then comment, and of course I am glad that it isn't your say who posts what in these columns, and fortunately I do not have to follow party policy / postings. But you closet Tories by ignoring / forgetting DUTY OF CARE will take any occasion to try and defend the disgracefull actions against the vunerable and disabled won't they? Jabbadad

9:39am Mon 9 Dec 13

PlipPlop says...

DanMacc wrote:
SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE, SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, SHAME!!!! SHAAAAAAAAME!!!!!!!

How dare you judge this woman without knowing the facts.

I. say. AGAIN...


SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!
Do you know the 'facts'?

I know one thing FOR CERTAIN - games consoles aren't necessary for sustaining life. No-one in her household will die from not having a PS4 for Christmas.

Jog on Dan lad.
[quote][p][bold]DanMacc[/bold] wrote: SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE, SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, SHAME!!!! SHAAAAAAAAME!!!!!!! How dare you judge this woman without knowing the facts. I. say. AGAIN... SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Do you know the 'facts'? I know one thing FOR CERTAIN - games consoles aren't necessary for sustaining life. No-one in her household will die from not having a PS4 for Christmas. Jog on Dan lad. PlipPlop

9:45am Mon 9 Dec 13

PlipPlop says...

pinkfluff wrote:
1twogo wrote:
After reading the article several times I reviewing my previous post I still can’t get my head around the basic facts…

“The tax resulted in a 14 per cent cut in her housing benefit, leaving her more than £12 a month out of pocket, and she is still uncertain of how much she owes in rent arrears because of the tax and she ended up paying £900 in savings set aside for Christmas to fund the move to their new home.”

I assume there is a mistake where the monthly payment should be in fact weekly (that is how my benefit is worked out). With some simple mathematics I sure Ms Taylor, or even her sixteen year old son, could work out how much she owed. I am certain that her housing association will have communicated this to her in any respect and if not she could have easily asked them to provide a statement. Having £900 savings would have easily paid that arrears (she still has to pay it anyway) and then had a little left over ‘for Christmas’.

“Since the bedroom tax was brought in she can no longer afford to buy her son a PlayStation 4 for Christmas.”

When the single room subsidy was introduced I’m sure the PlayStation 4 didn’t exist. And why is she blaming the introduction of the single room subsidy as the cause for being unable to buy it.

The real fact here is the subject of the spare room subsidy. Sadly the WN’s chosen article doesn’t really demonstrate a realistic affects it has on the vulnerable. There must be cases far more worthy that someone who can’t afford and electric toy. Please WN find a NEEDY not the GREADY subject to report the harsh way this benefit cuts are hitting people. The answer I have for Ms Taylor is, think yourself lucky you have a roof over your head, the company of your son, warmth, food and a regular income… budget, plan and please, stop moaning!
I agree, when articles like this do the rounds I do see it as Tory propaganda to support and justify slowly eroding benefits. The NHS is next.

Plenty of articles around like.. I've been given a 5 bedroom house and its not big enough or I can't work because I'm allergic to my shoes!! These people do not represent the vast majority of people on benefits who would much rather work.

I don't get to see many articles about the tax evaders and how much MP's can claim (usually £1000's) for their SECOND homes. Who are the real scroungers in the country??
Tax avoidance is legal - dubious but legal.

What the hell has it got to do with THIS STORY?

Whataboutery - look it up.
[quote][p][bold]pinkfluff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1twogo[/bold] wrote: After reading the article several times I reviewing my previous post I still can’t get my head around the basic facts… “The tax resulted in a 14 per cent cut in her housing benefit, leaving her more than £12 a month out of pocket, and she is still uncertain of how much she owes in rent arrears because of the tax and she ended up paying £900 in savings set aside for Christmas to fund the move to their new home.” I assume there is a mistake where the monthly payment should be in fact weekly (that is how my benefit is worked out). With some simple mathematics I sure Ms Taylor, or even her sixteen year old son, could work out how much she owed. I am certain that her housing association will have communicated this to her in any respect and if not she could have easily asked them to provide a statement. Having £900 savings would have easily paid that arrears (she still has to pay it anyway) and then had a little left over ‘for Christmas’. “Since the bedroom tax was brought in she can no longer afford to buy her son a PlayStation 4 for Christmas.” When the single room subsidy was introduced I’m sure the PlayStation 4 didn’t exist. And why is she blaming the introduction of the single room subsidy as the cause for being unable to buy it. The real fact here is the subject of the spare room subsidy. Sadly the WN’s chosen article doesn’t really demonstrate a realistic affects it has on the vulnerable. There must be cases far more worthy that someone who can’t afford and electric toy. Please WN find a NEEDY not the GREADY subject to report the harsh way this benefit cuts are hitting people. The answer I have for Ms Taylor is, think yourself lucky you have a roof over your head, the company of your son, warmth, food and a regular income… budget, plan and please, stop moaning![/p][/quote]I agree, when articles like this do the rounds I do see it as Tory propaganda to support and justify slowly eroding benefits. The NHS is next. Plenty of articles around like.. I've been given a 5 bedroom house and its not big enough or I can't work because I'm allergic to my shoes!! These people do not represent the vast majority of people on benefits who would much rather work. I don't get to see many articles about the tax evaders and how much MP's can claim (usually £1000's) for their SECOND homes. Who are the real scroungers in the country??[/p][/quote]Tax avoidance is legal - dubious but legal. What the hell has it got to do with THIS STORY? Whataboutery - look it up. PlipPlop

9:53am Mon 9 Dec 13

PlipPlop says...

Jabbadad wrote:
The Tory Millionaire backers who by using shifty accountants deliberately avoid paying tax are worse than any so-called benifit fraudster, and with the blessing of Cameron and Osborne are robbing this country of £Billions.
And when the papers say that Osborne has a smile on his face after the welcome but not brilliant Autum figures, his smile could be wiped off his face by those who have lost their jobs and possibly their homes, and now have ZERO HOUR jobs which some weeks give 12 hours and some weeks no hours, and we know that due to Osborne there are around 1 million now on ZERO HOURS. So yes I could wipe the smile off his insipid face by telling him of the Older People that he is abandoning, and those with mental health issues and Learning Difficulties who are having their funding stopped.
I could willingly wipe the smile off his and Iain Duncan Smiths face who has already wasted Many £millions on failed IT equipment and software for the welfare reform and will continue to waste £millions more which will become £Billions until they stop or succeed.
And with the pensioners working longer until 68 then 70, what happens to our young people who are waiting to get on the jobs ladder, when the jobs are taken up by yet another failed Madcap Tory scheme of people working longer.
Tory millionaires Jabbadad? Yes, shocking. Let's not let those Labour millionaires feel left out though shall we?

http://order-order.c
om/2013/09/19/at-lea
st-seven-millionaire
s-in-the-shadow-cabi
net-thirteen-other-m
iliband-millionaires
-around-the-labour-l
eader/

http://www.spectator
.co.uk/spectator-lif
e/spectator-life-lif
e/9022871/socialist-
climbing/

Now you've had your little rant perhaps we can get back to the topic in hand - people on benefits expecting games consoles out of the public purse.
http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2213675/Ed-Miliband-
A-2-3m-house-400-000
-mortgage--Labour-le
ader-Ed-Millionaire.
html
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: The Tory Millionaire backers who by using shifty accountants deliberately avoid paying tax are worse than any so-called benifit fraudster, and with the blessing of Cameron and Osborne are robbing this country of £Billions. And when the papers say that Osborne has a smile on his face after the welcome but not brilliant Autum figures, his smile could be wiped off his face by those who have lost their jobs and possibly their homes, and now have ZERO HOUR jobs which some weeks give 12 hours and some weeks no hours, and we know that due to Osborne there are around 1 million now on ZERO HOURS. So yes I could wipe the smile off his insipid face by telling him of the Older People that he is abandoning, and those with mental health issues and Learning Difficulties who are having their funding stopped. I could willingly wipe the smile off his and Iain Duncan Smiths face who has already wasted Many £millions on failed IT equipment and software for the welfare reform and will continue to waste £millions more which will become £Billions until they stop or succeed. And with the pensioners working longer until 68 then 70, what happens to our young people who are waiting to get on the jobs ladder, when the jobs are taken up by yet another failed Madcap Tory scheme of people working longer.[/p][/quote]Tory millionaires Jabbadad? Yes, shocking. Let's not let those Labour millionaires feel left out though shall we? http://order-order.c om/2013/09/19/at-lea st-seven-millionaire s-in-the-shadow-cabi net-thirteen-other-m iliband-millionaires -around-the-labour-l eader/ http://www.spectator .co.uk/spectator-lif e/spectator-life-lif e/9022871/socialist- climbing/ Now you've had your little rant perhaps we can get back to the topic in hand - people on benefits expecting games consoles out of the public purse. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2213675/Ed-Miliband- A-2-3m-house-400-000 -mortgage--Labour-le ader-Ed-Millionaire. html PlipPlop

10:16am Mon 9 Dec 13

pinkfluff says...

Got some time on your hands PlipPlop?? lol
Got some time on your hands PlipPlop?? lol pinkfluff

12:34pm Tue 10 Dec 13

disgusted with local F.A says...

So 96 comments to date but not one from the hard done by mother
So 96 comments to date but not one from the hard done by mother disgusted with local F.A

3:33pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Andy-Apache says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Andy-apache it won't be Tory sympathsisors like you who will shut me up, it would help if it were the demise of the Nasty Tory eliment in society.
So you and others defend the indefensible while the MUCH LESS FORTUNATE suffer. Just today I was listening to people with mental health issues who are desperately worried about their future, a future which is in the hands of the Tories. You couldn't get a worse scenario.
Andy for every person that you and the critics on here can vilify there will be many more genuine and vulnerable people which society should be caring about, but Tories obviously wrote PULL THE LADDER UP I'M ALRIGHT JACK. while their interpretation they use is WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER. Take your BLUE Tinted glasses off there is a real world out here..
Not sure where I became a tory sympathiser with blue tinted glasses by questioning how you come to the conclusion that the tories are to blame for every bad thing in the world, but there you go.

I guess that's the warm and cuddly side of your preferred 'politics of jealousy'.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Andy-apache it won't be Tory sympathsisors like you who will shut me up, it would help if it were the demise of the Nasty Tory eliment in society. So you and others defend the indefensible while the MUCH LESS FORTUNATE suffer. Just today I was listening to people with mental health issues who are desperately worried about their future, a future which is in the hands of the Tories. You couldn't get a worse scenario. Andy for every person that you and the critics on here can vilify there will be many more genuine and vulnerable people which society should be caring about, but Tories obviously wrote PULL THE LADDER UP I'M ALRIGHT JACK. while their interpretation they use is WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER. Take your BLUE Tinted glasses off there is a real world out here..[/p][/quote]Not sure where I became a tory sympathiser with blue tinted glasses by questioning how you come to the conclusion that the tories are to blame for every bad thing in the world, but there you go. I guess that's the warm and cuddly side of your preferred 'politics of jealousy'. Andy-Apache

3:38pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Jabbadad says...

If I were her, I wouldn't reply to some of the crettins on here.
If I were her, I wouldn't reply to some of the crettins on here. Jabbadad

4:44pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Jabbadad says...

Andy apache, I have a million faults, most of which I am well aware of but Jealousy is not one of them, I do however have huge Admiration for many things and people, but not Envy.
I do have a loathing I supppose for spineless politicians who get elected to Parliament (or locally) by the People for the People then become their masters whipping Boys / Girls, and are always instep with everything that the Party comes along with and manage to have a pure voting record.
In my many years I have voted / supported most politcal thinking, except the extremeists so judging the person not the party. When they are good I say so and when they are all rubbish, which happens frequently these days I don't support any of them.
Andy apache, I have a million faults, most of which I am well aware of but Jealousy is not one of them, I do however have huge Admiration for many things and people, but not Envy. I do have a loathing I supppose for spineless politicians who get elected to Parliament (or locally) by the People for the People then become their masters whipping Boys / Girls, and are always instep with everything that the Party comes along with and manage to have a pure voting record. In my many years I have voted / supported most politcal thinking, except the extremeists so judging the person not the party. When they are good I say so and when they are all rubbish, which happens frequently these days I don't support any of them. Jabbadad

8:13pm Tue 10 Dec 13

uptonX says...

digitaltoast wrote:
Right, let's get a few facts straight, because their appear to be more plot holes than an episode of Dr Who. And let's hope blockquote does what it does everywhere else - apologies if formatting is messed up, but please read and see what you think.

Here's what Councillor Paul Denham writes on his blog:
"Lisa first contacted me on 4th January 2013, well before the bedroom tax was to be introduced. She is a single mum with a disability which prevents her from working and relies on social security benefits to support herself and her primary age son.

But hang on, the article says:
""Lisa Taylor and her son Ben, aged 16"...

Both posts mention one son. "Primary age" is 4 to 11. Has Ben magically aged 5 years in just 3 months? Is someone telling porkies?

"She is careful with her money and her only ”luxury” was Sky TV which she feels is justified as she is housebound much of the time.

The AVERAGE Sky subscription is over £600 per year now. Plus the license fee of £145.
As we don't know the exact facts, let's be extremely cautious and say she's on the basic minimum Sky package of £21/month = £258 + TV license = £403 p/a.

I paid one-off £50 for a Freesat box + dish, for which I get 180 channels with no subscription, for my £145 per year because, as a working person, I really can't can't justify £745 a year of my money, let alone of other people's money.

"Lisa has avoided taking on large debts but has had to rely on buying some items from a catalogue on credit when her son needed items for school beyond her weekly budget.

Er... catalogues are by FAR the most expensive way of shopping. Even if you have an interest free period, catalogue shopping is AT LEAST a third more expensive than high street or other retail.

"She knew that the bedroom tax could add £14 a week to her rent from April and that she could not afford to pay more without depriving the family of food and heating"

First of all, it's not a tax. It's just slightly less free stuff from other people for something you don't need or use.

Secondly, "the family"... of two?! You can eat well and nutritiously with fresh food for under £3 a day each.
So that's £42 a week for food. Plus, say, £12 a week max to heat a house (above-average figure for if it were poorly insulated).

That's £216/month. Lisa is getting £840/month. If there's REALLY nothing else she can squeeze of the household budget, knock the Sky on the head. If money's that tight, the extra £6 a week (minimum) would make a difference, right? Oh, but the inhumanity of just 180 channels.

But then, not spending £900 on Christmas including a £350 games console might help too, eh?

You know what would be interesting? A detailed and honest analysis of this Lisa's household budget.

There's a proverb: "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime".

Give someone a handout, and all they have is that handout. Teach someone to manage a household budget and have a reasonable expectation of life's affordability, and you give them far, far more than a state handout can in most circumstances. Like some personal responsibility the opportunity to be a good role model.

Nelson Mandela dying just reminded me of the enormous void between those who do, and those who won't.
Mandela suffered ill health, beatings and incarceration for much of his life, and yet went on to become president and change the culture of a nation.

I once interviewed this old chap who'd just turned 100. He was one of 19 children. There were no state benefits. They all just mucked in and got on with it. You want to eat? Then help put the food on the table. You want to go for a beer? Earn the money to buy a beer.

Councillor Dehnam wrote:

"We should all feel ashamed and deeply offended by what is being done to Lisa and many, many others, in our name."

No. I don't. We're one of the most generous countries in the world. What I'm ashamed of is that so many people fall so easily for the easy, lazy rhetoric of the left and their "us vs them" culture, manufacturing this fear of divisiveness. That's all Labour seem to offer, because that's all they HAVE to offer.

The spin has been unspun. There's no magic money tree. There's also no such thing as "Government money".
It's all our money. Every penny paid into one person's pocket comes out of another person's pocket.
Oh, and incidentally, for the Occupy types who want to "destroy" the top 1% of earners, those top 1% contribute almost 30% of the UK's income tax, and by extension, the largest part of Lisa's benefits.

No, the only thing I'm ashamed and deeply offended by is that people vote for people like Councillor Denham.

Now, come on, Worcester News, if you REALLY want to do some good journalistic endevour, let's have a follow up, eh?
If someone doesn't want to read all 100 comments above then just read this which nicely details the view of the vast majority. Very well said digitaltoast !
[quote][p][bold]digitaltoast[/bold] wrote: Right, let's get a few facts straight, because their appear to be more plot holes than an episode of Dr Who. And let's hope blockquote does what it does everywhere else - apologies if formatting is messed up, but please read and see what you think. Here's what Councillor Paul Denham writes on his blog: "Lisa first contacted me on 4th January 2013, well before the bedroom tax was to be introduced. She is a single mum with a disability which prevents her from working and relies on social security benefits to support herself and her primary age son. But hang on, the article says: ""Lisa Taylor and her son Ben, aged 16"... Both posts mention one son. "Primary age" is 4 to 11. Has Ben magically aged 5 years in just 3 months? Is someone telling porkies? "She is careful with her money and her only ”luxury” was Sky TV which she feels is justified as she is housebound much of the time. The AVERAGE Sky subscription is over £600 per year now. Plus the license fee of £145. As we don't know the exact facts, let's be extremely cautious and say she's on the basic minimum Sky package of £21/month = £258 + TV license = £403 p/a. I paid one-off £50 for a Freesat box + dish, for which I get 180 channels with no subscription, for my £145 per year because, as a working person, I really can't can't justify £745 a year of my money, let alone of other people's money. "Lisa has avoided taking on large debts but has had to rely on buying some items from a catalogue on credit when her son needed items for school beyond her weekly budget. Er... catalogues are by FAR the most expensive way of shopping. Even if you have an interest free period, catalogue shopping is AT LEAST a third more expensive than high street or other retail. "She knew that the bedroom tax could add £14 a week to her rent from April and that she could not afford to pay more without depriving the family of food and heating" First of all, it's not a tax. It's just slightly less free stuff from other people for something you don't need or use. Secondly, "the family"... of two?! You can eat well and nutritiously with fresh food for under £3 a day each. So that's £42 a week for food. Plus, say, £12 a week max to heat a house (above-average figure for if it were poorly insulated). That's £216/month. Lisa is getting £840/month. If there's REALLY nothing else she can squeeze of the household budget, knock the Sky on the head. If money's that tight, the extra £6 a week (minimum) would make a difference, right? Oh, but the inhumanity of just 180 channels. But then, not spending £900 on Christmas including a £350 games console might help too, eh? You know what would be interesting? A detailed and honest analysis of this Lisa's household budget. There's a proverb: "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime". Give someone a handout, and all they have is that handout. Teach someone to manage a household budget and have a reasonable expectation of life's affordability, and you give them far, far more than a state handout can in most circumstances. Like some personal responsibility the opportunity to be a good role model. Nelson Mandela dying just reminded me of the enormous void between those who do, and those who won't. Mandela suffered ill health, beatings and incarceration for much of his life, and yet went on to become president and change the culture of a nation. I once interviewed this old chap who'd just turned 100. He was one of 19 children. There were no state benefits. They all just mucked in and got on with it. You want to eat? Then help put the food on the table. You want to go for a beer? Earn the money to buy a beer. Councillor Dehnam wrote: "We should all feel ashamed and deeply offended by what is being done to Lisa and many, many others, in our name." No. I don't. We're one of the most generous countries in the world. What I'm ashamed of is that so many people fall so easily for the easy, lazy rhetoric of the left and their "us vs them" culture, manufacturing this fear of divisiveness. That's all Labour seem to offer, because that's all they HAVE to offer. The spin has been unspun. There's no magic money tree. There's also no such thing as "Government money". It's all our money. Every penny paid into one person's pocket comes out of another person's pocket. Oh, and incidentally, for the Occupy types who want to "destroy" the top 1% of earners, those top 1% contribute almost 30% of the UK's income tax, and by extension, the largest part of Lisa's benefits. No, the only thing I'm ashamed and deeply offended by is that people vote for people like Councillor Denham. Now, come on, Worcester News, if you REALLY want to do some good journalistic endevour, let's have a follow up, eh?[/p][/quote]If someone doesn't want to read all 100 comments above then just read this which nicely details the view of the vast majority. Very well said digitaltoast ! uptonX

8:22pm Tue 10 Dec 13

batchelorboy says...

Worcester Lad wrote:
£210 in benefits + her rent paid in full by Housing Benefits(no one has mentioned that yet).
Plus council tax paid! This story makes me mad. Although I appreciate the ongoing list of conditions, which I wouldn't like to have, a Playstation 4 is a big ask for Christmas from the majority of full-time hard working parents!

And £900 to move?? Really?? I doubt it would cost more than £500 to rent a van with two men, especially as it sounds like a non-broken bed and a wardrobe were not moved with her!

Another example of greed and wanting everything for nothing.
[quote][p][bold]Worcester Lad[/bold] wrote: £210 in benefits + her rent paid in full by Housing Benefits(no one has mentioned that yet).[/p][/quote]Plus council tax paid! This story makes me mad. Although I appreciate the ongoing list of conditions, which I wouldn't like to have, a Playstation 4 is a big ask for Christmas from the majority of full-time hard working parents! And £900 to move?? Really?? I doubt it would cost more than £500 to rent a van with two men, especially as it sounds like a non-broken bed and a wardrobe were not moved with her! Another example of greed and wanting everything for nothing. batchelorboy

8:24pm Tue 10 Dec 13

batchelorboy says...

Oh, and the photo caption says "forced" to move yet a couple of paragraphs down it says she "agreed" to move.

WN at their best again...
Oh, and the photo caption says "forced" to move yet a couple of paragraphs down it says she "agreed" to move. WN at their best again... batchelorboy

11:11am Wed 11 Dec 13

nicki1967 says...

I believe that someone stated on here that the Council give £1000 for someone in this woman's 'position' to move to a more suitable home. If she already had £900 saved from our tax then she's actually £100 in profit! No wonder she can afford to go out drinking and dancing at these establishments where the drinks aren't exactly cheap. I wish I could and I work bloody hard for my money. I, too, suffer from various ailments similar to this woman but still go out and work. In my opinion she's just lazy and greedy.
I believe that someone stated on here that the Council give £1000 for someone in this woman's 'position' to move to a more suitable home. If she already had £900 saved from our tax then she's actually £100 in profit! No wonder she can afford to go out drinking and dancing at these establishments where the drinks aren't exactly cheap. I wish I could and I work bloody hard for my money. I, too, suffer from various ailments similar to this woman but still go out and work. In my opinion she's just lazy and greedy. nicki1967

2:05pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Doogie 46 says...

Jabbadad refers to those of us posting critical comments on this issue as "cretins". I`d be interested to know why he thinks we should not point out the rather numerous discrepancies in her hard luck story and in particular her inability to afford a PS4 for her son - something most of those working full time would be hard pressed to buy. It is also worth noting that early on, some people who know her claimed she was not too sick or poor to dance , smoke and drink in night clubs and openly called her a benefits fraudster (comments which mysteriously disappeared)
I think the comment by digitaltoast really sums it up beautifully - let`s have a follow-up article. Does the WN ever check the accuracy of the claims - there has been quite a few of these kind of stories since the "evil Tory cuts" started, and most have been pure fiction.
Jabbadad refers to those of us posting critical comments on this issue as "cretins". I`d be interested to know why he thinks we should not point out the rather numerous discrepancies in her hard luck story and in particular her inability to afford a PS4 for her son - something most of those working full time would be hard pressed to buy. It is also worth noting that early on, some people who know her claimed she was not too sick or poor to dance , smoke and drink in night clubs and openly called her a benefits fraudster (comments which mysteriously disappeared) I think the comment by digitaltoast really sums it up beautifully - let`s have a follow-up article. Does the WN ever check the accuracy of the claims - there has been quite a few of these kind of stories since the "evil Tory cuts" started, and most have been pure fiction. Doogie 46

11:04am Thu 12 Dec 13

tracey63 says...

Had to look twice seen this person around the area never with a walking stick, must have been this that threw me, perhaps DWP should have look on here not bitter or jealous like things to be fair!
Had to look twice seen this person around the area never with a walking stick, must have been this that threw me, perhaps DWP should have look on here not bitter or jealous like things to be fair! tracey63

12:45pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Jabbadad says...

Well doogie 46 It's no myth that the evil Tory Cuts are taking place.
I attended a meeting yesterday where the County Council Departments present where at a miss to understand Eric Pickles blanket cuts of 40% and more which will not be just cuts but closures of essential services.
I worry that the Tory Faithfull or those who cannot see or understand Tory policies, don't actually know that these huge CUTS / STOPPAGES are taking place.
But of course Cameron and his backers won't be affected since they absolutely don't live in the same world as many older people that I talk to, and I do guarantee that daily I do talk with more Older people than him or his cronies.
And I would be criticising a Labour government / politicians if they were acting in such a cruel manner to our most vulnerable and elderly.
And no I do not suport scroungers or those who cheat the system, but cheats were around 30 or 40 years ago.
So little changes apart from clever lawyers or agencies (mostly non English) have made fortunes from the legal Aid system over asylum cases.
There are £billions flying out of this country every week for dependants in other countries, and I don't mean Aid payments. We are the laughing stock of the world and for the Border Agency's to catch a couple of Asians working in the local Take-Aways does absolutely nothing to address the overwhelming problems seriously contributed to Labours open door policies.
And the problem will be added to in January 2014 while David Cameron and Teresa May do / say nothing. It's as if they keep quiet the problem will go away. What totally inadeqate politicians we have.
Locally Ex-labour Council leader David Barlow often writes in support of immigration, and since I heard that perhaps he has a couple of spare bedrooms will he offer to accommodate two families with no additional income from the state?
Well doogie 46 It's no myth that the evil Tory Cuts are taking place. I attended a meeting yesterday where the County Council Departments present where at a miss to understand Eric Pickles blanket cuts of 40% and more which will not be just cuts but closures of essential services. I worry that the Tory Faithfull or those who cannot see or understand Tory policies, don't actually know that these huge CUTS / STOPPAGES are taking place. But of course Cameron and his backers won't be affected since they absolutely don't live in the same world as many older people that I talk to, and I do guarantee that daily I do talk with more Older people than him or his cronies. And I would be criticising a Labour government / politicians if they were acting in such a cruel manner to our most vulnerable and elderly. And no I do not suport scroungers or those who cheat the system, but cheats were around 30 or 40 years ago. So little changes apart from clever lawyers or agencies (mostly non English) have made fortunes from the legal Aid system over asylum cases. There are £billions flying out of this country every week for dependants in other countries, and I don't mean Aid payments. We are the laughing stock of the world and for the Border Agency's to catch a couple of Asians working in the local Take-Aways does absolutely nothing to address the overwhelming problems seriously contributed to Labours open door policies. And the problem will be added to in January 2014 while David Cameron and Teresa May do / say nothing. It's as if they keep quiet the problem will go away. What totally inadeqate politicians we have. Locally Ex-labour Council leader David Barlow often writes in support of immigration, and since I heard that perhaps he has a couple of spare bedrooms will he offer to accommodate two families with no additional income from the state? Jabbadad

1:55pm Thu 12 Dec 13

nicki1967 says...

@Jabbadad: I understand your frustration about the cuts that the Tories are making. Many of us are. Labour had to make some too, I believe. I assume that you weren't classing this fraudster as vulnerable as she most certainly is not. And was it not the Labour government who let everyone in in the first place ultimately causing the problem of money flying out of our country. If I'm mistaken then I apologise. Please note that, although I always vote, I am usually firmly in the middle and vote for whoever I believe will keep their promises at the time. I would also point out that I would never vote for one of the parties that I consider totally racist as I honestly believe a multi-cultural society benefits the economy apart from, as I have said, when they send money back to their own countries.
@Jabbadad: I understand your frustration about the cuts that the Tories are making. Many of us are. Labour had to make some too, I believe. I assume that you weren't classing this fraudster as vulnerable as she most certainly is not. And was it not the Labour government who let everyone in in the first place ultimately causing the problem of money flying out of our country. If I'm mistaken then I apologise. Please note that, although I always vote, I am usually firmly in the middle and vote for whoever I believe will keep their promises at the time. I would also point out that I would never vote for one of the parties that I consider totally racist as I honestly believe a multi-cultural society benefits the economy apart from, as I have said, when they send money back to their own countries. nicki1967

4:46pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Jabbadad says...

niki I agree with your comments except that I am sure you will find that the previous New Labour government did in fact open the doors to uncontrolled unlisted immigration. (and labour still suppot these policies and won't have a vote on Europe ) But the Tories carried on with imigration policies that did not reliably count migrants in and out, in fact they reduced / sacked hundreds of imigration / Cutom officers and operated walk though customs when queues formed, and have rented addtonal office space to store / hide huge piles of imigration documents.
And as I have also said I don't support deliberate benefit cheats.
niki I agree with your comments except that I am sure you will find that the previous New Labour government did in fact open the doors to uncontrolled unlisted immigration. (and labour still suppot these policies and won't have a vote on Europe ) But the Tories carried on with imigration policies that did not reliably count migrants in and out, in fact they reduced / sacked hundreds of imigration / Cutom officers and operated walk though customs when queues formed, and have rented addtonal office space to store / hide huge piles of imigration documents. And as I have also said I don't support deliberate benefit cheats. Jabbadad

5:01pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Doogie 46 says...

Jabbadad - My only criticism aimed at you was for calling virtually everybody who has commented on this woman`s story cretins - an undeserved insult to us all.
It seems many of this type of story which appear in the WN are not remotely accurate - something I think the paper needs to address.
Reading your comment in response to mine, I think I have more in common with you than you might imagine - I would like to see the GENUINELY vulnerable better protected but nobody seems clever enough to sort the wheat from the chaff as they say.
Jabbadad - My only criticism aimed at you was for calling virtually everybody who has commented on this woman`s story cretins - an undeserved insult to us all. It seems many of this type of story which appear in the WN are not remotely accurate - something I think the paper needs to address. Reading your comment in response to mine, I think I have more in common with you than you might imagine - I would like to see the GENUINELY vulnerable better protected but nobody seems clever enough to sort the wheat from the chaff as they say. Doogie 46

5:00pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Longtreeroad says...

Try having a son that's a recovering cancer patient, and have cost of hospital travel and everything else that's involved! Is she thinking some one will give her a ps4?


Get real women!


You disgust me, just like it seems you do to many other people!
Try having a son that's a recovering cancer patient, and have cost of hospital travel and everything else that's involved! Is she thinking some one will give her a ps4? Get real women! You disgust me, just like it seems you do to many other people! Longtreeroad

4:31pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Jasonpc says...

chrisa2012 wrote:
So basically from handouts she is receiving around £210 a week, which elates to around £840.00 per month. Not a bad income really, quite similar to a low paid wage. Cancelling Christmas - Never heard so much rubbush! The kid could always get a paper round which would easily cover the £12 your loosing a Month!
Think about the average working person that pays nearly £1000 a month on rent alone. With all the benefits she is getting anyway (part housing benefit, part council tax), not to mention the other benefits (spending money).

All these add up to being in a job earning an estimated £1838 a month !!

And out of the reported non-taxable income of £838 she is bringing in the house, she can not afford the £14 a month or week.

I have to agree, get with the real world...

Would she want her hard earned money being taxed, and that tax money being used to fund a house that is to big for another benefit claimants needs. There are a lot of people in the country that are crying out for a bigger place (that they are 'entitled' too, and have all rent and council tax paid for in full) But they can not have them, not just because there are not enough properties around, but because there are people have been having their rent paid for in full for many years... (yes granted that she has downgraded, but this should have been done from day one and not left so late), the changes have been in the news for long enough for people to downgrade.

This Benefit Reform has been the best benefits change in Government so far.

Just to answer anyone's thoughts, I am self employed and have been arguing that the benefits needs to be changed to allow the tax being collected to be spent on things far more important than making a lush lifestyle for those on benefits that chose not to better themselves, (of course apart from those that genuinely can not work)
[quote][p][bold]chrisa2012[/bold] wrote: So basically from handouts she is receiving around £210 a week, which elates to around £840.00 per month. Not a bad income really, quite similar to a low paid wage. Cancelling Christmas - Never heard so much rubbush! The kid could always get a paper round which would easily cover the £12 your loosing a Month![/p][/quote]Think about the average working person that pays nearly £1000 a month on rent alone. With all the benefits she is getting anyway (part housing benefit, part council tax), not to mention the other benefits (spending money). All these add up to being in a job earning an estimated £1838 a month !! And out of the reported non-taxable income of £838 she is bringing in the house, she can not afford the £14 a month or week. I have to agree, get with the real world... Would she want her hard earned money being taxed, and that tax money being used to fund a house that is to big for another benefit claimants needs. There are a lot of people in the country that are crying out for a bigger place (that they are 'entitled' too, and have all rent and council tax paid for in full) But they can not have them, not just because there are not enough properties around, but because there are people have been having their rent paid for in full for many years... (yes granted that she has downgraded, but this should have been done from day one and not left so late), the changes have been in the news for long enough for people to downgrade. This Benefit Reform has been the best benefits change in Government so far. Just to answer anyone's thoughts, I am self employed and have been arguing that the benefits needs to be changed to allow the tax being collected to be spent on things far more important than making a lush lifestyle for those on benefits that chose not to better themselves, (of course apart from those that genuinely can not work) Jasonpc

12:23am Sun 29 Dec 13

QBforever says...

So this woman is getting more from sitting at home than most people get from working and still she moans! £900 on Xmas? I'm lucky to spend £100 but then I am a worker, whose sole purpose is to pay taxes to support the "non workers"!
So this woman is getting more from sitting at home than most people get from working and still she moans! £900 on Xmas? I'm lucky to spend £100 but then I am a worker, whose sole purpose is to pay taxes to support the "non workers"! QBforever
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