New £8 million Ketch roundabout exhibitions revealed

Worcester News: An artists impression of the new Ketch roundabout An artists impression of the new Ketch roundabout

THIS artists impression shows what Worcester’s A4440 Ketch island will look like once an £8 million revamp is complete.

A series of major public exhibitions are about to kick off giving people chance to view the designs and have their say this month.

The controversial revamp, due to start by April, will see the roundabout off the A38 Bath Road double in size.

A new slip-road will also be created for drivers turning left to head up the A4440 Southern Link Road towards Norton island, as part of plans to part-dual the route by 2018.

The project, costing £38 million in total, comes after years of gripes about the notoriously congested road.

The Ketch island work, which will take a year to complete, will go on display at three locations in the area.

It will kick off at St Peter’s Village Hall, in St Peter’s Drive on Tuesday, January 14 from 4pm-7pm, then head to St Peter’s Garden Centre in Norton Road the next day at the same time.

It will finish at St Peter’s Baptist Church, in Eden Close on Thursday, January 16, also from 4pm-7pm.

Councillor Adrian Hardman, the leader of Worcestershire County Council, said: “More than 30,000 vehicles use the A4440 Southern Link Road each weekday.

“Sitting back and doing nothing on this important key route isn’t an option because delays will get worse and congestion will increase impacting on our economy, costing residents and businesses time and money stuck in queues.

“We have a clear vision and this is the first phase of plans we have that will see the dualling of the entire length of the key route up to Whittington roundabout.

“I'd encourage anyone interested in finding out more about this work to come along to view the plans and speak with officers who will be on hand to answer any questions.”

As your Worcester News reported earlier today, some politicians have already hit out at plans to remove a grassy bank by Begonia Close to create the slip-road.

The county council is considering creating an acoustic fence to ease noise congestion from the extra lane, and plant flowers.

There is also concern that the entire project proposes to leave the Carrington Bridge section of the link road as it is, because of the costs.

The council’s Conservative leadership says the ultimate plan is to eventually dual the whole route, but not until after 2018 subject to securing extra money.

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1:33pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Hwicce says...

How much of a second bridge would you get for £38million if you spent it on that instead?
How much of a second bridge would you get for £38million if you spent it on that instead? Hwicce

1:56pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Andy_R says...

How much of this will need to be torn down when we do get the second bridge?
How much of this will need to be torn down when we do get the second bridge? Andy_R

2:23pm Tue 7 Jan 14

moatler says...

Why can't we see a picture of what it is going to look like after the improvements?
Why can't we see a picture of what it is going to look like after the improvements? moatler

2:27pm Tue 7 Jan 14

CommonSenseFriends says...

It's a long time coming. There was a need for this sort of roundabout in order to ease the huge amounts of congestion. There are a lot of cars which use those roads in order to get to St Peters, Kempsey, the City Centre etc etc. I once spent over an hour and a half in traffic trying to get from one side of Broomhall Way to Bath Rd.

However £38mn on a roundabout? I'm sure there is a cheaper way of doing creating a roundabout which would do the same job. Get rid of those pretty trees and fake grass and just put a normal roundabout in.
It's a long time coming. There was a need for this sort of roundabout in order to ease the huge amounts of congestion. There are a lot of cars which use those roads in order to get to St Peters, Kempsey, the City Centre etc etc. I once spent over an hour and a half in traffic trying to get from one side of Broomhall Way to Bath Rd. However £38mn on a roundabout? I'm sure there is a cheaper way of doing creating a roundabout which would do the same job. Get rid of those pretty trees and fake grass and just put a normal roundabout in. CommonSenseFriends

2:45pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Peter Huntington says...

Strangely the artists` impression does not show the single carriageway Carrington Bridge or the 2,200 houses for the Ketch Field or the proposed supermarket! I suspect the roundabout will merely slow down the rate at which the Southern (non) Link gets to complete gridlock. What about completing the ring road round Worcester? What about delaying development until all the infrastructure is in place?
Strangely the artists` impression does not show the single carriageway Carrington Bridge or the 2,200 houses for the Ketch Field or the proposed supermarket! I suspect the roundabout will merely slow down the rate at which the Southern (non) Link gets to complete gridlock. What about completing the ring road round Worcester? What about delaying development until all the infrastructure is in place? Peter Huntington

2:58pm Tue 7 Jan 14

CJH says...

moatler wrote:
Why can't we see a picture of what it is going to look like after the improvements?
That is the 'after' picture!
[quote][p][bold]moatler[/bold] wrote: Why can't we see a picture of what it is going to look like after the improvements?[/p][/quote]That is the 'after' picture! CJH

2:59pm Tue 7 Jan 14

CJH says...

Just want to repeat the comment I made in the earlier story on this topic:
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I had a copy of the proposal delivered to me, I guess because I'm a St Peters resident. There is a form included to respond with any comments. Deadline for this form to be returned is 28th February 2014. Fair enough, EXCEPT that in the 'When are you going to start building?' section it says 'Site clearance works, to include hedge/tree removal/relocation will need to commence in FEBRUARY 2014' And then utility diversions to commence in April 2014. So, sounds like a done deal to me regardless of what we say. They are going to start it regardless of any comments which may be returned. So why bother spending money having these printed and having them delivered ( by council staff) when all they are doing is paying lip service to the 'consultation' process?
Just want to repeat the comment I made in the earlier story on this topic: . I had a copy of the proposal delivered to me, I guess because I'm a St Peters resident. There is a form included to respond with any comments. Deadline for this form to be returned is 28th February 2014. Fair enough, EXCEPT that in the 'When are you going to start building?' section it says 'Site clearance works, to include hedge/tree removal/relocation will need to commence in FEBRUARY 2014' And then utility diversions to commence in April 2014. So, sounds like a done deal to me regardless of what we say. They are going to start it regardless of any comments which may be returned. So why bother spending money having these printed and having them delivered ( by council staff) when all they are doing is paying lip service to the 'consultation' process? CJH

5:45pm Tue 7 Jan 14

London Rd says...

Is it just me, or does that artist seem to have missed out the slip road that will take cars from Bath Road towards the Norton roundabout? Thats all we keep hearing about, yet it doesn't appear to be there!
Is it just me, or does that artist seem to have missed out the slip road that will take cars from Bath Road towards the Norton roundabout? Thats all we keep hearing about, yet it doesn't appear to be there! London Rd

7:49pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Rumblestrip9 says...

If I'm looking at this correctly, the Carrington bridge is in the bottom left, and has a vicious looking 2 into 1 going towards Malvern.
They want to put a traffic merge there?? All between the roundabout and the bridge itself? OMG I thought Whittington was bad planning!
It looks as if the actual distance between the roundabout and the start of the bridge has been stretched to fit an idea, rather than an idea altered to fit reality.
Not a bad effort, but a tape measure may be a good investment.
If I'm looking at this correctly, the Carrington bridge is in the bottom left, and has a vicious looking 2 into 1 going towards Malvern. They want to put a traffic merge there?? All between the roundabout and the bridge itself? OMG I thought Whittington was bad planning! It looks as if the actual distance between the roundabout and the start of the bridge has been stretched to fit an idea, rather than an idea altered to fit reality. Not a bad effort, but a tape measure may be a good investment. Rumblestrip9

8:02am Wed 8 Jan 14

green49 says...

Its the CARRINGTON BRIDGE thats the problem, i think the road system works well its the bottle neck of a bridge that needs attention ARE YOU LISTENING HIGHWAYS??/?????/ this bunch of useless dopes have no idea what they are doing.
Its the CARRINGTON BRIDGE thats the problem, i think the road system works well its the bottle neck of a bridge that needs attention ARE YOU LISTENING HIGHWAYS??/?????/ this bunch of useless dopes have no idea what they are doing. green49

8:38am Wed 8 Jan 14

skychip says...

I can't believe that Highways are likely to waste more money trying to solve problems on the Southern link - I just can't believe they can't see what the real problem is, after all some of them must use this road on a regular basis. It would be good to,have a face to face meeting with those in authority to express the views noted above.
I can't believe that Highways are likely to waste more money trying to solve problems on the Southern link - I just can't believe they can't see what the real problem is, after all some of them must use this road on a regular basis. It would be good to,have a face to face meeting with those in authority to express the views noted above. skychip

9:28am Wed 8 Jan 14

adrianwr14 says...

They ought to think of a new idea completely I think the roundabout should be done away with and duel track over the bridge up to whittington and use filter lanes to join in the traffic in where bath road is, they really need to think about this a bit more.
They ought to think of a new idea completely I think the roundabout should be done away with and duel track over the bridge up to whittington and use filter lanes to join in the traffic in where bath road is, they really need to think about this a bit more. adrianwr14

9:45am Wed 8 Jan 14

CJH says...

adrianwr14 wrote:
They ought to think of a new idea completely I think the roundabout should be done away with and duel track over the bridge up to whittington and use filter lanes to join in the traffic in where bath road is, they really need to think about this a bit more.
Seriously? Filter lanes in that volume of traffic?
[quote][p][bold]adrianwr14[/bold] wrote: They ought to think of a new idea completely I think the roundabout should be done away with and duel track over the bridge up to whittington and use filter lanes to join in the traffic in where bath road is, they really need to think about this a bit more.[/p][/quote]Seriously? Filter lanes in that volume of traffic? CJH

12:28pm Wed 8 Jan 14

moatler says...

I'd be interested to know how much it would cost to put an up and over single lane each way flyover across the top of the roundabout so that traffic going straight on can just go straight over without stopping. Because surely it is the traffic slowing down for the roundabout that causes the delays. Even one 'nervous ninny' in every ten drivers who insists in stopping at the roundabout will cause a disproportionate amount of disruption.
I'd be interested to know how much it would cost to put an up and over single lane each way flyover across the top of the roundabout so that traffic going straight on can just go straight over without stopping. Because surely it is the traffic slowing down for the roundabout that causes the delays. Even one 'nervous ninny' in every ten drivers who insists in stopping at the roundabout will cause a disproportionate amount of disruption. moatler

2:23pm Wed 8 Jan 14

bobnohope says...

A subway going under would be better than a flyover and probably a wee bit cheaper to, me thinks!
A subway going under would be better than a flyover and probably a wee bit cheaper to, me thinks! bobnohope

2:30pm Wed 8 Jan 14

CJH says...

bobnohope wrote:
A subway going under would be better than a flyover and probably a wee bit cheaper to, me thinks!
Are you related to adrianwr14 ? :-)
[quote][p][bold]bobnohope[/bold] wrote: A subway going under would be better than a flyover and probably a wee bit cheaper to, me thinks![/p][/quote]Are you related to adrianwr14 ? :-) CJH

2:59pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Roger5 says...

So you are going to move the roundabout closer to people's houses, when you could compulsorily purchase a block of land to re-site the roundabout in the Ketch field where there are no houses! Crackers!

Where is the needed pedestrian access/crossing provided? People do have considerable difficulty to cross the roundabout on foot, and that's nowhere that I can see!

A bigger roundabout is also likely to result in higher/dangerous speeds. Have you seen how fast people drive around the smaller version now?

Load of expensive nonsense!
So you are going to move the roundabout closer to people's houses, when you could compulsorily purchase a block of land to re-site the roundabout in the Ketch field where there are no houses! Crackers! Where is the needed pedestrian access/crossing provided? People do have considerable difficulty to cross the roundabout on foot, and that's nowhere that I can see! A bigger roundabout is also likely to result in higher/dangerous speeds. Have you seen how fast people drive around the smaller version now? Load of expensive nonsense! Roger5

3:11pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Roger5 says...

More info here:

http://www.worcester
shire.gov.uk/cms/tra
nsport-and-highways/
transport-schemes/wo
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rategy/a4440-and-ket
ch-junction.aspx
More info here: http://www.worcester shire.gov.uk/cms/tra nsport-and-highways/ transport-schemes/wo rcester-transport-st rategy/a4440-and-ket ch-junction.aspx Roger5

6:13pm Wed 8 Jan 14

grumpy woman says...

Just finish the northern link. That's all that's needed. Some nimbyism going on here.
Just finish the northern link. That's all that's needed. Some nimbyism going on here. grumpy woman

7:58pm Wed 8 Jan 14

uptonX says...

Roger5 wrote:
More info here:

http://www.worcester

shire.gov.uk/cms/tra

nsport-and-highways/

transport-schemes/wo

rcester-transport-st

rategy/a4440-and-ket

ch-junction.aspx
The link posted above by Roger5 explains the situation much more clearly than this article. It also gives the option to print, complete and post back a form. I'd encourage everyone to do that, this scheme is an outrageous waste of money that does nothing to address the problem, people of Worcestershire need to do all they can to stop it happening. How dare they waste our money like this, part of the money could simply be used to retain the bus service for the towns and villages along the A38. If that funding is removed as threatened later this year then literally hundreds of extra cars will be forced on that roundabout each day. Where are the councillors who are supposed to represent us, the views about what is needed are pretty much unanimous but are being completely ignored.
[quote][p][bold]Roger5[/bold] wrote: More info here: http://www.worcester shire.gov.uk/cms/tra nsport-and-highways/ transport-schemes/wo rcester-transport-st rategy/a4440-and-ket ch-junction.aspx[/p][/quote]The link posted above by Roger5 explains the situation much more clearly than this article. It also gives the option to print, complete and post back a form. I'd encourage everyone to do that, this scheme is an outrageous waste of money that does nothing to address the problem, people of Worcestershire need to do all they can to stop it happening. How dare they waste our money like this, part of the money could simply be used to retain the bus service for the towns and villages along the A38. If that funding is removed as threatened later this year then literally hundreds of extra cars will be forced on that roundabout each day. Where are the councillors who are supposed to represent us, the views about what is needed are pretty much unanimous but are being completely ignored. uptonX

8:48pm Wed 8 Jan 14

goodyearmart says...

Oh my god what a complete waste of 8 million!
Oh my god what a complete waste of 8 million! goodyearmart

9:34pm Wed 8 Jan 14

CJH says...

uptonX wrote:
Roger5 wrote:
More info here:

http://www.worcester


shire.gov.uk/cms/tra


nsport-and-highways/


transport-schemes/wo


rcester-transport-st


rategy/a4440-and-ket


ch-junction.aspx
The link posted above by Roger5 explains the situation much more clearly than this article. It also gives the option to print, complete and post back a form. I'd encourage everyone to do that, this scheme is an outrageous waste of money that does nothing to address the problem, people of Worcestershire need to do all they can to stop it happening. How dare they waste our money like this, part of the money could simply be used to retain the bus service for the towns and villages along the A38. If that funding is removed as threatened later this year then literally hundreds of extra cars will be forced on that roundabout each day. Where are the councillors who are supposed to represent us, the views about what is needed are pretty much unanimous but are being completely ignored.
Little point sending the form back. The closing date for comments is AFTER they start the work in February (as my comment yesterday)
[quote][p][bold]uptonX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roger5[/bold] wrote: More info here: http://www.worcester shire.gov.uk/cms/tra nsport-and-highways/ transport-schemes/wo rcester-transport-st rategy/a4440-and-ket ch-junction.aspx[/p][/quote]The link posted above by Roger5 explains the situation much more clearly than this article. It also gives the option to print, complete and post back a form. I'd encourage everyone to do that, this scheme is an outrageous waste of money that does nothing to address the problem, people of Worcestershire need to do all they can to stop it happening. How dare they waste our money like this, part of the money could simply be used to retain the bus service for the towns and villages along the A38. If that funding is removed as threatened later this year then literally hundreds of extra cars will be forced on that roundabout each day. Where are the councillors who are supposed to represent us, the views about what is needed are pretty much unanimous but are being completely ignored.[/p][/quote]Little point sending the form back. The closing date for comments is AFTER they start the work in February (as my comment yesterday) CJH

10:20pm Wed 8 Jan 14

F1 Dave says...

I am sorry to say that the leadership at Worcestershire County Council are doing what they always have done and will continue to do.
Pretend to have a consultation, then do what they want. The view of the leadership at County Hall is so out of touch with what the people want.
Mind you they must think the people voted them in so they can do what they like.
You must not forget that the leadership is pretending to improve this roundabout now, so later they can grant building of 2500 plus homes. As it stands the current road infrastructure would not support the proposed 2500 homes. So yet again more wool pulled over the eyes of the people, Hardman and Highways do what they want. Good this democracy thing, NOT!
I am sorry to say that the leadership at Worcestershire County Council are doing what they always have done and will continue to do. Pretend to have a consultation, then do what they want. The view of the leadership at County Hall is so out of touch with what the people want. Mind you they must think the people voted them in so they can do what they like. You must not forget that the leadership is pretending to improve this roundabout now, so later they can grant building of 2500 plus homes. As it stands the current road infrastructure would not support the proposed 2500 homes. So yet again more wool pulled over the eyes of the people, Hardman and Highways do what they want. Good this democracy thing, NOT! F1 Dave

10:42pm Wed 8 Jan 14

IanMurray says...

Ok, hands up the last time you saw that few cars on the Ketch roundabout during daylight hours.rhaps the designer of the model can try again and add an extra 100 cars.

For less money install traffic lights and yellow hatching on the roadto help north south traffic. Because nothing short of widening the bridge is going to make a actual difference.
Ok, hands up the last time you saw that few cars on the Ketch roundabout during daylight hours.rhaps the designer of the model can try again and add an extra 100 cars. For less money install traffic lights and yellow hatching on the roadto help north south traffic. Because nothing short of widening the bridge is going to make a actual difference. IanMurray

6:28am Thu 9 Jan 14

Reynard11 says...

We need the Northern link! It would reduce a vast amount of the traffic using the bridge. The disruption its going to cause when they build this duel track/island will be immense.
If travelling from Hereford or Leominster they would use that stretch of road (if travelling North) and all from Malvern would use the existing bridge. Simple really.
We need the Northern link! It would reduce a vast amount of the traffic using the bridge. The disruption its going to cause when they build this duel track/island will be immense. If travelling from Hereford or Leominster they would use that stretch of road (if travelling North) and all from Malvern would use the existing bridge. Simple really. Reynard11

8:13am Thu 9 Jan 14

adrianwr14 says...

Why waste all that money I live in Upton upon Severn and now the council are on about stopping our buses completely from Upton to Worcester there are loads of people that use that service who cant drive, USE THAT MONEY TO KEEP THE BUSES coming you useless gits
Why waste all that money I live in Upton upon Severn and now the council are on about stopping our buses completely from Upton to Worcester there are loads of people that use that service who cant drive, USE THAT MONEY TO KEEP THE BUSES coming you useless gits adrianwr14

2:49pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Giorgos says...

At present it takes about 1 hour to travel from Leigh Sinton to County Hall if you leave at about 07:15on a normal working day; this is a distance of 6 miles When the 2,500 houses and the Tesco Extra with 600 parking spaces are built it will be virtually impossible to make this journey during working hours. As it is traffic is regularly backed up as far as Malvern in the mornings. If the promised dual carriageway is extended from the motorway to this roundabout, it will have no positive effect whatsoever for anyone approaching from the Carrington Bridge; in fact matters will just be worse as the traffic approaching from the A38 from Kempsey will have priority over anyone trying to get off the bridge. This is a complete waste of money.
At present it takes about 1 hour to travel from Leigh Sinton to County Hall if you leave at about 07:15on a normal working day; this is a distance of 6 miles When the 2,500 houses and the Tesco Extra with 600 parking spaces are built it will be virtually impossible to make this journey during working hours. As it is traffic is regularly backed up as far as Malvern in the mornings. If the promised dual carriageway is extended from the motorway to this roundabout, it will have no positive effect whatsoever for anyone approaching from the Carrington Bridge; in fact matters will just be worse as the traffic approaching from the A38 from Kempsey will have priority over anyone trying to get off the bridge. This is a complete waste of money. Giorgos

7:38am Fri 10 Jan 14

CSquared says...

Double Bridge....
Double Bridge.... CSquared

1:51pm Fri 10 Jan 14

anarchist says...

It is not the bridge that is the problem on the southern link road but rather the serious disruption to east west traffic caused by the rounabout at the Ketch. And, of course, the issues would still remain at the St Peters and Whittington roundabouts if the Ketch issue were to be solved.

The proposed roundabout at the Ketch might offer some improvement but, like others, I am sceptical.

Although we urgently need a dual carriageway right along the route, what would make a difference without a new bridge, is to build a dual carriageway from _immediately_ east of the bridge (with overpasses at the Ketch and St Peters and Whittington) all thye way up to the M5 junction. The bridge itself and the stretch to Powick coukld then be achieved in a second phase.
It is not the bridge that is the problem on the southern link road but rather the serious disruption to east west traffic caused by the rounabout at the Ketch. And, of course, the issues would still remain at the St Peters and Whittington roundabouts if the Ketch issue were to be solved. The proposed roundabout at the Ketch might offer some improvement but, like others, I am sceptical. Although we urgently need a dual carriageway right along the route, what would make a difference without a new bridge, is to build a dual carriageway from _immediately_ east of the bridge (with overpasses at the Ketch and St Peters and Whittington) all thye way up to the M5 junction. The bridge itself and the stretch to Powick coukld then be achieved in a second phase. anarchist

1:55pm Fri 10 Jan 14

worcestersfinest says...

Was the picture created on sim city?
Was the picture created on sim city? worcestersfinest

4:37pm Fri 10 Jan 14

old misery says...

How much of the £8 million will be held over to alter it 6 months after completion aka Whittington rounabout.
How much of the £8 million will be held over to alter it 6 months after completion aka Whittington rounabout. old misery

1:19pm Mon 13 Jan 14

SKempsey141 says...

It's interesting to see that the artists impression already has a very large 'yellow box' in place between the A38 (from Kempsey) and The Carrington Bridge. It is clearly anticipated that west bound traffic is going to back up over the roundabout! Having a bigger roundabout is not going to make the slightest bit of difference in traffic flow. Dual carriageway to single carriageway over a roundabout never works. Nice to see two pedestrians enjoying it too; pedestrian traffic lights will probably be needed across the roundabout exit, maybe just a few metres off each exit! That will help things along. Oh Dear, what a miserable solution.
It's interesting to see that the artists impression already has a very large 'yellow box' in place between the A38 (from Kempsey) and The Carrington Bridge. It is clearly anticipated that west bound traffic is going to back up over the roundabout! Having a bigger roundabout is not going to make the slightest bit of difference in traffic flow. Dual carriageway to single carriageway over a roundabout never works. Nice to see two pedestrians enjoying it too; pedestrian traffic lights will probably be needed across the roundabout exit, maybe just a few metres off each exit! That will help things along. Oh Dear, what a miserable solution. SKempsey141

11:00am Tue 14 Jan 14

DaleWilson966 says...

This is an outrage!!!!!1 Think of the effect it will have on House prices in ST PETER's, they will PLummet!!!!!
This is an outrage!!!!!1 Think of the effect it will have on House prices in ST PETER's, they will PLummet!!!!! DaleWilson966

12:51pm Tue 14 Jan 14

i-cycle says...

DaleWilson966 wrote:
This is an outrage!!!!!1 Think of the effect it will have on House prices in ST PETER's, they will PLummet!!!!!
More especially when loads more new houses flood the local market when the new development starts. Still its all worth it if it pays to build more roads. Or is it?
[quote][p][bold]DaleWilson966[/bold] wrote: This is an outrage!!!!!1 Think of the effect it will have on House prices in ST PETER's, they will PLummet!!!!![/p][/quote]More especially when loads more new houses flood the local market when the new development starts. Still its all worth it if it pays to build more roads. Or is it? i-cycle

2:44pm Wed 22 Jan 14

CJH says...

I've just driven up St Peters Drive to the Bath Road end and then back again. There are road works by the island, with four way traffic lights. Considering it's not even rush hour yet traffic was waiting for ages at each set of lights, and backing up on all roads. If this is what it's going to be like for a small scale set of digging up stuff what the heck's is it going to be like when they do the bigger Ketch island? I may never leave home again...
I've just driven up St Peters Drive to the Bath Road end and then back again. There are road works by the island, with four way traffic lights. Considering it's not even rush hour yet traffic was waiting for ages at each set of lights, and backing up on all roads. If this is what it's going to be like for a small scale set of digging up stuff what the heck's is it going to be like when they do the bigger Ketch island? I may never leave home again... CJH

3:14pm Wed 22 Jan 14

3thinker says...

CJH wrote:
I've just driven up St Peters Drive to the Bath Road end and then back again. There are road works by the island, with four way traffic lights. Considering it's not even rush hour yet traffic was waiting for ages at each set of lights, and backing up on all roads. If this is what it's going to be like for a small scale set of digging up stuff what the heck's is it going to be like when they do the bigger Ketch island? I may never leave home again...
Just wait until all the cars from the new "Norton" development start using the Bath Road and St Peter's Drive as a way into the City!

Maybe that i-cycle chap has the best idea. Leave the car at home and get the bike out more?
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: I've just driven up St Peters Drive to the Bath Road end and then back again. There are road works by the island, with four way traffic lights. Considering it's not even rush hour yet traffic was waiting for ages at each set of lights, and backing up on all roads. If this is what it's going to be like for a small scale set of digging up stuff what the heck's is it going to be like when they do the bigger Ketch island? I may never leave home again...[/p][/quote]Just wait until all the cars from the new "Norton" development start using the Bath Road and St Peter's Drive as a way into the City! Maybe that i-cycle chap has the best idea. Leave the car at home and get the bike out more? 3thinker

3:27pm Wed 22 Jan 14

CJH says...

3thinker wrote:
CJH wrote:
I've just driven up St Peters Drive to the Bath Road end and then back again. There are road works by the island, with four way traffic lights. Considering it's not even rush hour yet traffic was waiting for ages at each set of lights, and backing up on all roads. If this is what it's going to be like for a small scale set of digging up stuff what the heck's is it going to be like when they do the bigger Ketch island? I may never leave home again...
Just wait until all the cars from the new "Norton" development start using the Bath Road and St Peter's Drive as a way into the City!

Maybe that i-cycle chap has the best idea. Leave the car at home and get the bike out more?
No no no no no! Don't do bikes or public transport! I'm just going to put up the barricades. Where's my copy of Les Miserables...
[quote][p][bold]3thinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: I've just driven up St Peters Drive to the Bath Road end and then back again. There are road works by the island, with four way traffic lights. Considering it's not even rush hour yet traffic was waiting for ages at each set of lights, and backing up on all roads. If this is what it's going to be like for a small scale set of digging up stuff what the heck's is it going to be like when they do the bigger Ketch island? I may never leave home again...[/p][/quote]Just wait until all the cars from the new "Norton" development start using the Bath Road and St Peter's Drive as a way into the City! Maybe that i-cycle chap has the best idea. Leave the car at home and get the bike out more?[/p][/quote]No no no no no! Don't do bikes or public transport! I'm just going to put up the barricades. Where's my copy of Les Miserables... CJH

3:48pm Wed 22 Jan 14

3thinker says...

CJH wrote:
3thinker wrote:
CJH wrote:
I've just driven up St Peters Drive to the Bath Road end and then back again. There are road works by the island, with four way traffic lights. Considering it's not even rush hour yet traffic was waiting for ages at each set of lights, and backing up on all roads. If this is what it's going to be like for a small scale set of digging up stuff what the heck's is it going to be like when they do the bigger Ketch island? I may never leave home again...
Just wait until all the cars from the new "Norton" development start using the Bath Road and St Peter's Drive as a way into the City!

Maybe that i-cycle chap has the best idea. Leave the car at home and get the bike out more?
No no no no no! Don't do bikes or public transport! I'm just going to put up the barricades. Where's my copy of Les Miserables...
Try encouraging the neighbours then. The problem is too many cars and its certainly going to get worse with all the new developments that are planned.

I'm continually surprised when some motorists bang on about getting cyclists off the road. They're actually doing us motorists a favour by helping reduce the City's congestion and parking problems.

I know its not for everyone, but perhaps it does make sense to provide safer routes into and around the city for cyclists. Certainly a lot less expensive and knocking loads of houses down to improve the existing highway infrastructure and provide the additional city centre car parking that will be demanded.
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]3thinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: I've just driven up St Peters Drive to the Bath Road end and then back again. There are road works by the island, with four way traffic lights. Considering it's not even rush hour yet traffic was waiting for ages at each set of lights, and backing up on all roads. If this is what it's going to be like for a small scale set of digging up stuff what the heck's is it going to be like when they do the bigger Ketch island? I may never leave home again...[/p][/quote]Just wait until all the cars from the new "Norton" development start using the Bath Road and St Peter's Drive as a way into the City! Maybe that i-cycle chap has the best idea. Leave the car at home and get the bike out more?[/p][/quote]No no no no no! Don't do bikes or public transport! I'm just going to put up the barricades. Where's my copy of Les Miserables...[/p][/quote]Try encouraging the neighbours then. The problem is too many cars and its certainly going to get worse with all the new developments that are planned. I'm continually surprised when some motorists bang on about getting cyclists off the road. They're actually doing us motorists a favour by helping reduce the City's congestion and parking problems. I know its not for everyone, but perhaps it does make sense to provide safer routes into and around the city for cyclists. Certainly a lot less expensive and knocking loads of houses down to improve the existing highway infrastructure and provide the additional city centre car parking that will be demanded. 3thinker

4:25pm Wed 22 Jan 14

CJH says...

Sadly a bike's no good when you've got an elderly mother, or kids, or bags full of shopping etc etc to move around. Same with public transport. Did you know that there is only one bus a day directly from St Peters to County Hall at 8.15 am then another one back at 4.15 pm. Otherwise you have to go into town first then come back up on another bus, with all the added expense. Probably another reason why so many people drive to work there rather than get the bus. And it's not just council workers who need to get there - it's St Richards, the other offices on the site, and I'm sure that people would like to take their kids to the countryside centre as well.
Sadly a bike's no good when you've got an elderly mother, or kids, or bags full of shopping etc etc to move around. Same with public transport. Did you know that there is only one bus a day directly from St Peters to County Hall at 8.15 am then another one back at 4.15 pm. Otherwise you have to go into town first then come back up on another bus, with all the added expense. Probably another reason why so many people drive to work there rather than get the bus. And it's not just council workers who need to get there - it's St Richards, the other offices on the site, and I'm sure that people would like to take their kids to the countryside centre as well. CJH

4:58pm Wed 22 Jan 14

3thinker says...

CJH wrote:
Sadly a bike's no good when you've got an elderly mother, or kids, or bags full of shopping etc etc to move around. Same with public transport. Did you know that there is only one bus a day directly from St Peters to County Hall at 8.15 am then another one back at 4.15 pm. Otherwise you have to go into town first then come back up on another bus, with all the added expense. Probably another reason why so many people drive to work there rather than get the bus. And it's not just council workers who need to get there - it's St Richards, the other offices on the site, and I'm sure that people would like to take their kids to the countryside centre as well.
I think you've hit the nail on the head.

We have a congestion problem in the "Faithful City" so what does the Highway Authority do?

Waste millions on a road to nowhere (Carrington Bridge), cut their cycle infrastructure budget to zilch, scrap all the subsidised bus routes.

Result? The only way to get around is by car which only means more congestion. To compound the problem massive new developments are planned on the periphery of the city which will mean its even more difficult to get to the shops and facilities the new residents will need.

With an ageing population, an increase in young people who don't have a licence let alone a car there's no wonder the problem will get worse.

There's not enough money to increase road capacity within the city, so why aren't the County and CIty councils looking at other ways to reduce traffic and particularly at the rush hour peaks.
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: Sadly a bike's no good when you've got an elderly mother, or kids, or bags full of shopping etc etc to move around. Same with public transport. Did you know that there is only one bus a day directly from St Peters to County Hall at 8.15 am then another one back at 4.15 pm. Otherwise you have to go into town first then come back up on another bus, with all the added expense. Probably another reason why so many people drive to work there rather than get the bus. And it's not just council workers who need to get there - it's St Richards, the other offices on the site, and I'm sure that people would like to take their kids to the countryside centre as well.[/p][/quote]I think you've hit the nail on the head. We have a congestion problem in the "Faithful City" so what does the Highway Authority do? Waste millions on a road to nowhere (Carrington Bridge), cut their cycle infrastructure budget to zilch, scrap all the subsidised bus routes. Result? The only way to get around is by car which only means more congestion. To compound the problem massive new developments are planned on the periphery of the city which will mean its even more difficult to get to the shops and facilities the new residents will need. With an ageing population, an increase in young people who don't have a licence let alone a car there's no wonder the problem will get worse. There's not enough money to increase road capacity within the city, so why aren't the County and CIty councils looking at other ways to reduce traffic and particularly at the rush hour peaks. 3thinker

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