Waitrose announces plans for first Worcester store

ARTIST’S IMPRESSION: How the new Waitrose store, off London Road in Worcester, could look.

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UP to 200 jobs could be created as supermarket giant Waitrose announces plans for a £20 million development in Worcester.

The upmarket chain has unveiled plans for a store at the former Ebenezer Baylis print firm, in London Road.

It would feature a range of John Lewis goods, more than 300 car parking spaces and a coffee shop.

Waitrose, which is working on the plans with developer Opus Land, says it is a "long-held ambition" to bring the superstore to Worcester.

But opponents say the development - measuring 40,000 sq ft - would "snarl up" an already busy road system.

"It's already a very congested part of the city," said local member, Councillor Marc Bayliss.

"The plan is interesting and exciting but I'm very concerned about traffic provision."

He said a better location would be Trinity House in Trinity Street in the city centre where Worcester City Council and Worcestershire County Council are jointly looking to attract a major developer.

Waitrose, though, says it has been working on the scheme for a number of years and is confident it has the right spot.

"This is an exciting opportunity to achieve a long-held ambition to bring Waitrose to Worcester," said Waitrose director of development Nigel Keen.

"We have explored a number of opportunities over the years and believe the plans brought forward by Opus Land represent the best scheme to deliver a quality food store for the city’s shoppers.

"It’s great that Worcester continues to attract investment and we hope that we can be part of its future.”

Waitrose says it plans to replace the industrial units which formed the print works with a smaller building.

It would recruit the 200 members of staff "as locally as possible", promising to give opportunities to the long-term unemployed.

The new store would, if approved, include meat, fish, cheese and patisserie counters.

It would also differ from most other Waitrose supermarkets by stocking the range of John Lewis goods.

The 40,000 sq ft store would be almost twice the size of Malvern's Waitrose which measures 25,600 sq ft.

“We are delighted to be involved in bringing the Waitrose brand to Worcester and to have found the perfect site for their new shop," said Richard Smith, managing director of Opus Land.

"It has long been an ambition of Waitrose to open in Worcester and those living in Worcester will be equally delighted to have a Waitrose presence in the city.”

Newsletters are set to be sent out to those living nearby later this week, while a public exhibition of the plans will be held in the Guildhall on High Street, Worcester on Friday, January 31 (11am-4pm) and Saturday, February 1 (10am-1pm).

A planning application is expected to be submitted in the spring with the store opening, should permission be granted, late 2015.

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11:24am Wed 22 Jan 14

The Kop says...

Would love to see a Waitrose in Worcester, not sure this is the right place. Doubt that it will go through anyway, Tescos Express down the road from it will have something to say on the matter.
Would love to see a Waitrose in Worcester, not sure this is the right place. Doubt that it will go through anyway, Tescos Express down the road from it will have something to say on the matter. The Kop
  • Score: 2

11:26am Wed 22 Jan 14

CJH says...

300 parking spaces? Finally somewhere for the council employees to park their cars! But I would seriously query the sense in having that many cars going in and out of a store that size at the top of London Road. That way madness lies.
300 parking spaces? Finally somewhere for the council employees to park their cars! But I would seriously query the sense in having that many cars going in and out of a store that size at the top of London Road. That way madness lies. CJH
  • Score: 1

11:28am Wed 22 Jan 14

presterjohn says...

The last thing the city centre needs is a new supermarket. inevitably no parking would be provided for it that is of any value and so customers would stay away. Waitrose have picked a much better site. Why Mark Bayliss thinks Trinity street is more suitable location is beyond me.
The last thing the city centre needs is a new supermarket. inevitably no parking would be provided for it that is of any value and so customers would stay away. Waitrose have picked a much better site. Why Mark Bayliss thinks Trinity street is more suitable location is beyond me. presterjohn
  • Score: 32

11:29am Wed 22 Jan 14

liketoknow says...

could do with another one in the city centre.
could do with another one in the city centre. liketoknow
  • Score: -21

11:51am Wed 22 Jan 14

dulon says...

The parking issues in the vicinity of the Trinity St site are well known . The councillor is showing his ignorance to the electorate .
The site that is proposed has the right location and will bring a large employer to the area without the traffic issues that would be caused on an inner city location .
I do have reservations about the Tesco development that has yet to come up with a sustainable traffic management plan .
The parking issues in the vicinity of the Trinity St site are well known . The councillor is showing his ignorance to the electorate . The site that is proposed has the right location and will bring a large employer to the area without the traffic issues that would be caused on an inner city location . I do have reservations about the Tesco development that has yet to come up with a sustainable traffic management plan . dulon
  • Score: 14

11:51am Wed 22 Jan 14

Hwicce says...

If Mark Bayliss is complaining that London Road isn't suitable due to traffic but Trinity Street is then he's totally lost touch with reality.

Oh he's a Councillor, you have your answer.....
If Mark Bayliss is complaining that London Road isn't suitable due to traffic but Trinity Street is then he's totally lost touch with reality. Oh he's a Councillor, you have your answer..... Hwicce
  • Score: 41

12:41pm Wed 22 Jan 14

liketoknow says...

if they put it up London road' only motorists will use it. if they put it in the centre pedestrians can.
if they put it up London road' only motorists will use it. if they put it in the centre pedestrians can. liketoknow
  • Score: 4

12:54pm Wed 22 Jan 14

presterjohn says...

liketoknow wrote:
if they put it up London road' only motorists will use it. if they put it in the centre pedestrians can.
But motorists probably won't and that is where the money is.
[quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: if they put it up London road' only motorists will use it. if they put it in the centre pedestrians can.[/p][/quote]But motorists probably won't and that is where the money is. presterjohn
  • Score: 1

1:05pm Wed 22 Jan 14

dulon says...

The location is perfectly acceptable for pedestrians if they wish to use the exemplary bus services to the location from the town centre . However how many pedestrians do their big weekly shop in the centre of town using public transport ? In fact in the town centre how many shops 'do' the grocery items that Waitrose sell ? 3 or 4 ?
The only drawback will be when our coveted councillors decide to screw things up with cycle and bus lanes ....
The location is perfectly acceptable for pedestrians if they wish to use the exemplary bus services to the location from the town centre . However how many pedestrians do their big weekly shop in the centre of town using public transport ? In fact in the town centre how many shops 'do' the grocery items that Waitrose sell ? 3 or 4 ? The only drawback will be when our coveted councillors decide to screw things up with cycle and bus lanes .... dulon
  • Score: 8

1:11pm Wed 22 Jan 14

skychip says...

Good idea in principle but concerned about the traffic situation - bad enough where Tesco is - in fact it is quite dangerous when cars are trying to get into Tesco and queued out into the road at times.
Good idea in principle but concerned about the traffic situation - bad enough where Tesco is - in fact it is quite dangerous when cars are trying to get into Tesco and queued out into the road at times. skychip
  • Score: 3

2:21pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Redhillman says...

Having a Waitrose in Worcester is great news and will give more choice against the Tesco cartel. But we can all see that the proposed location will cause traffic chaos but I bet you one jot, the highways department will say there won't be an issue!

We all knew the location of Asda would cause havoc and that is exactly what has happened, despite the council saying this wouldn't be the case. Waitrose will also be extremely popular and will attract shoppers in numbers that will exceed 300 car park spaces, especially at the weekends, causing traffic chaos on what is already a busy road. The only way to alleviate the problem would be to construct a roundabout outside the entrance to the site or widen the road to create a right-turn bay and a facility to stack cars in the middle of the road, away from the main flow of traffic heading in to town. But either option will have an impact on the houses opposite Ebenezer Baylis and it won't solve the inevitable traffic issues. The extra few hundred houses cropping up behind Kilbury Drive will add to the chaos as Waitrose will the closest supermarket to these households.

The best place to have a new supermarket like this on this side of Worcester will be on the fields right next to the new hospital car parks. An access roads (Charles Hastings Drive) with the required layouts already exists and will cope with the extra traffic, while the field is large enough to accommodate a store and car park of sufficient size to cope with the huge number of shoppers that will exist.

But just see this application approved and for the highways department to say there'll be no problems, and then just weeks after the store is open, we'll say we told you so. Again.
Having a Waitrose in Worcester is great news and will give more choice against the Tesco cartel. But we can all see that the proposed location will cause traffic chaos but I bet you one jot, the highways department will say there won't be an issue! We all knew the location of Asda would cause havoc and that is exactly what has happened, despite the council saying this wouldn't be the case. Waitrose will also be extremely popular and will attract shoppers in numbers that will exceed 300 car park spaces, especially at the weekends, causing traffic chaos on what is already a busy road. The only way to alleviate the problem would be to construct a roundabout outside the entrance to the site or widen the road to create a right-turn bay and a facility to stack cars in the middle of the road, away from the main flow of traffic heading in to town. But either option will have an impact on the houses opposite Ebenezer Baylis and it won't solve the inevitable traffic issues. The extra few hundred houses cropping up behind Kilbury Drive will add to the chaos as Waitrose will the closest supermarket to these households. The best place to have a new supermarket like this on this side of Worcester will be on the fields right next to the new hospital car parks. An access roads (Charles Hastings Drive) with the required layouts already exists and will cope with the extra traffic, while the field is large enough to accommodate a store and car park of sufficient size to cope with the huge number of shoppers that will exist. But just see this application approved and for the highways department to say there'll be no problems, and then just weeks after the store is open, we'll say we told you so. Again. Redhillman
  • Score: 8

2:39pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Jabbadad says...

Coun Bayliss was until he jumped ship a labour Councillor, and it was at the behest of Labour Councillors that the old Co-Op building was bought by WCC for a proposed new Library because in the words of Labour councillor Peachey, those who used the library in the tything were discouraged by having to walk that far. But really they as CO-OP sponsered Councillors were looking out for their paymasters, since several were and still are sponsered from the CO-OP coffers.
Nothing really changes in politics does it?
However back to London Road,which isn't in the St Peters Ward that Coun Bayliss was parachuted into knowing the voters of The Arbouretum he deserted, would chuck him out, Waitrose know that there will be loads of new housing over that side of the City and will be ready when it happens and they do have a different Clientel, a little up market, plus John Lewis, I would say there will be a place for them there.
As to traffic, the site is Just a few hundred Yards away from the link roads and the M5, so alltogether a shrewd plan and one that will probably get planning permission ok..
Coun Bayliss was until he jumped ship a labour Councillor, and it was at the behest of Labour Councillors that the old Co-Op building was bought by WCC for a proposed new Library because in the words of Labour councillor Peachey, those who used the library in the tything were discouraged by having to walk that far. But really they as CO-OP sponsered Councillors were looking out for their paymasters, since several were and still are sponsered from the CO-OP coffers. Nothing really changes in politics does it? However back to London Road,which isn't in the St Peters Ward that Coun Bayliss was parachuted into knowing the voters of The Arbouretum he deserted, would chuck him out, Waitrose know that there will be loads of new housing over that side of the City and will be ready when it happens and they do have a different Clientel, a little up market, plus John Lewis, I would say there will be a place for them there. As to traffic, the site is Just a few hundred Yards away from the link roads and the M5, so alltogether a shrewd plan and one that will probably get planning permission ok.. Jabbadad
  • Score: 5

3:13pm Wed 22 Jan 14

brooksider says...

Surely St Modwen's plot on Nunnery Way is a better location.
Surely St Modwen's plot on Nunnery Way is a better location. brooksider
  • Score: 3

3:28pm Wed 22 Jan 14

CJH says...

brooksider wrote:
Surely St Modwen's plot on Nunnery Way is a better location.
Of course it is, that's why they won't use it!
[quote][p][bold]brooksider[/bold] wrote: Surely St Modwen's plot on Nunnery Way is a better location.[/p][/quote]Of course it is, that's why they won't use it! CJH
  • Score: 1

3:30pm Wed 22 Jan 14

jovialcommonsense says...

Doesn't matter where they put it, traffic is at saturation point virtually everywhere in Worcester.
I suspect Waitrose planners are better qualified than local planners.
Doesn't matter where they put it, traffic is at saturation point virtually everywhere in Worcester. I suspect Waitrose planners are better qualified than local planners. jovialcommonsense
  • Score: 20

4:21pm Wed 22 Jan 14

newike says...

brooksider wrote:
Surely St Modwen's plot on Nunnery Way is a better location.
Absolutely right. There is no point in creating traffic chaos on the London Road. There is nowhere in the city centre for it, Marc Bayliss should know that. It has to be on the edge of the city near to a good road system which does not directly feed the motorway or the city centre.
[quote][p][bold]brooksider[/bold] wrote: Surely St Modwen's plot on Nunnery Way is a better location.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right. There is no point in creating traffic chaos on the London Road. There is nowhere in the city centre for it, Marc Bayliss should know that. It has to be on the edge of the city near to a good road system which does not directly feed the motorway or the city centre. newike
  • Score: -5

4:34pm Wed 22 Jan 14

goodygoody says...

At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please!
At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please! goodygoody
  • Score: 26

5:25pm Wed 22 Jan 14

liketoknow says...

goodygoody wrote:
At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please!
what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid?
[quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please![/p][/quote]what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid? liketoknow
  • Score: -5

5:47pm Wed 22 Jan 14

monstereyedloon says...

Bully Bayliss is barking again, this a isn't even in his patch, i thought the Tories were up for development and investment ? Obvious that if they can't benefit from it like Redhill Man or it's on the edge or in their patch they don't want it, Battenhall Farm, Ketch development etc..
Bully Bayliss is barking again, this a isn't even in his patch, i thought the Tories were up for development and investment ? Obvious that if they can't benefit from it like Redhill Man or it's on the edge or in their patch they don't want it, Battenhall Farm, Ketch development etc.. monstereyedloon
  • Score: 2

6:43pm Wed 22 Jan 14

goodygoody says...

liketoknow wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please!
what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid?
It's not the same stuff. I'm posh, I know!
[quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please![/p][/quote]what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid?[/p][/quote]It's not the same stuff. I'm posh, I know! goodygoody
  • Score: 5

8:42pm Wed 22 Jan 14

diglisman says...

At last the hope of a decent store And away from the congestion of the city centre and parking chaos/charges
At last the hope of a decent store And away from the congestion of the city centre and parking chaos/charges diglisman
  • Score: 3

9:10pm Wed 22 Jan 14

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

Hwicce wrote:
If Mark Bayliss is complaining that London Road isn't suitable due to traffic but Trinity Street is then he's totally lost touch with reality.

Oh he's a Councillor, you have your answer.....
And the Council has Trinity up for sale!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Hwicce[/bold] wrote: If Mark Bayliss is complaining that London Road isn't suitable due to traffic but Trinity Street is then he's totally lost touch with reality. Oh he's a Councillor, you have your answer.....[/p][/quote]And the Council has Trinity up for sale!!!! imustbeoldiwearacap
  • Score: 5

9:14pm Wed 22 Jan 14

ac_wcfc says...

brooksider wrote:
Surely St Modwen's plot on Nunnery Way is a better location.
Maybe they could build some sporting facilities alongside it.
[quote][p][bold]brooksider[/bold] wrote: Surely St Modwen's plot on Nunnery Way is a better location.[/p][/quote]Maybe they could build some sporting facilities alongside it. ac_wcfc
  • Score: 1

9:39pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Stuart 1 says...

The Kop wrote:
Would love to see a Waitrose in Worcester, not sure this is the right place. Doubt that it will go through anyway, Tescos Express down the road from it will have something to say on the matter.
Tesco Express didn't worry about the local shops when they opened up, so no sympathy there!
[quote][p][bold]The Kop[/bold] wrote: Would love to see a Waitrose in Worcester, not sure this is the right place. Doubt that it will go through anyway, Tescos Express down the road from it will have something to say on the matter.[/p][/quote]Tesco Express didn't worry about the local shops when they opened up, so no sympathy there! Stuart 1
  • Score: 8

9:48pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Stuart 1 says...

Redhillman wrote:
Having a Waitrose in Worcester is great news and will give more choice against the Tesco cartel. But we can all see that the proposed location will cause traffic chaos but I bet you one jot, the highways department will say there won't be an issue!

We all knew the location of Asda would cause havoc and that is exactly what has happened, despite the council saying this wouldn't be the case. Waitrose will also be extremely popular and will attract shoppers in numbers that will exceed 300 car park spaces, especially at the weekends, causing traffic chaos on what is already a busy road. The only way to alleviate the problem would be to construct a roundabout outside the entrance to the site or widen the road to create a right-turn bay and a facility to stack cars in the middle of the road, away from the main flow of traffic heading in to town. But either option will have an impact on the houses opposite Ebenezer Baylis and it won't solve the inevitable traffic issues. The extra few hundred houses cropping up behind Kilbury Drive will add to the chaos as Waitrose will the closest supermarket to these households.

The best place to have a new supermarket like this on this side of Worcester will be on the fields right next to the new hospital car parks. An access roads (Charles Hastings Drive) with the required layouts already exists and will cope with the extra traffic, while the field is large enough to accommodate a store and car park of sufficient size to cope with the huge number of shoppers that will exist.

But just see this application approved and for the highways department to say there'll be no problems, and then just weeks after the store is open, we'll say we told you so. Again.
Spot on, and well thought out - great to see Waitrose coming to Worcester but I do question the chosen site, there is also talk of housing development the other side in Battenhall so the combined effect could be significant so so major re-jigging of the infrastructure will be required. How about a site in Shrub Hill area with the new development??? Asda does cause major headaches so the whole thing needs careful thought through - Waitrose Great, Location not at all sure...
[quote][p][bold]Redhillman[/bold] wrote: Having a Waitrose in Worcester is great news and will give more choice against the Tesco cartel. But we can all see that the proposed location will cause traffic chaos but I bet you one jot, the highways department will say there won't be an issue! We all knew the location of Asda would cause havoc and that is exactly what has happened, despite the council saying this wouldn't be the case. Waitrose will also be extremely popular and will attract shoppers in numbers that will exceed 300 car park spaces, especially at the weekends, causing traffic chaos on what is already a busy road. The only way to alleviate the problem would be to construct a roundabout outside the entrance to the site or widen the road to create a right-turn bay and a facility to stack cars in the middle of the road, away from the main flow of traffic heading in to town. But either option will have an impact on the houses opposite Ebenezer Baylis and it won't solve the inevitable traffic issues. The extra few hundred houses cropping up behind Kilbury Drive will add to the chaos as Waitrose will the closest supermarket to these households. The best place to have a new supermarket like this on this side of Worcester will be on the fields right next to the new hospital car parks. An access roads (Charles Hastings Drive) with the required layouts already exists and will cope with the extra traffic, while the field is large enough to accommodate a store and car park of sufficient size to cope with the huge number of shoppers that will exist. But just see this application approved and for the highways department to say there'll be no problems, and then just weeks after the store is open, we'll say we told you so. Again.[/p][/quote]Spot on, and well thought out - great to see Waitrose coming to Worcester but I do question the chosen site, there is also talk of housing development the other side in Battenhall so the combined effect could be significant so so major re-jigging of the infrastructure will be required. How about a site in Shrub Hill area with the new development??? Asda does cause major headaches so the whole thing needs careful thought through - Waitrose Great, Location not at all sure... Stuart 1
  • Score: 0

10:10pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Samboy says...

There is an old Bernard Cribbins song - Hole in the road'. The lyrics go " Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere. It's going to be round and it ought to be square.... and you can't put a hole where a hole don't belong." Reading the above correspondence suggests the world is full of experts.
There is an old Bernard Cribbins song - Hole in the road'. The lyrics go " Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere. It's going to be round and it ought to be square.... and you can't put a hole where a hole don't belong." Reading the above correspondence suggests the world is full of experts. Samboy
  • Score: 1

11:42pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Stuart 1 says...

Samboy wrote:
There is an old Bernard Cribbins song - Hole in the road'. The lyrics go " Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere. It's going to be round and it ought to be square.... and you can't put a hole where a hole don't belong." Reading the above correspondence suggests the world is full of experts.
yep, from the comfort of home with a wee dram in hand!! it is how democracy works!!!
[quote][p][bold]Samboy[/bold] wrote: There is an old Bernard Cribbins song - Hole in the road'. The lyrics go " Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere. It's going to be round and it ought to be square.... and you can't put a hole where a hole don't belong." Reading the above correspondence suggests the world is full of experts.[/p][/quote]yep, from the comfort of home with a wee dram in hand!! it is how democracy works!!! Stuart 1
  • Score: 2

3:58am Thu 23 Jan 14

ideas4all says...

The old countryside centre is a good location away from main rd and plenty of space no one hardly uses it except dog walkers more seriously I doubt very much that it would be suitable with tescos and the better priced Asda close by although many ppl claim to b posh and looking forward to it opening not many are genuine customers who actually purchase anything I use to work in m&s and we used to get hundreds of ppl just browsing trying a few things on just to feel good but walking away empty handed maybe it was my wonderful customer service however one thing ill tell you I will b applying for a job there and u may b priveleged enough to meet me
The old countryside centre is a good location away from main rd and plenty of space no one hardly uses it except dog walkers more seriously I doubt very much that it would be suitable with tescos and the better priced Asda close by although many ppl claim to b posh and looking forward to it opening not many are genuine customers who actually purchase anything I use to work in m&s and we used to get hundreds of ppl just browsing trying a few things on just to feel good but walking away empty handed maybe it was my wonderful customer service however one thing ill tell you I will b applying for a job there and u may b priveleged enough to meet me ideas4all
  • Score: -11

8:55am Thu 23 Jan 14

presterjohn says...

liketoknow wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please!
what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid?
You need to get out more. Pound shops these days can often be a bit of a rip off in real terms. Now that the pound has gone down in value so much since they first opened up buying anything of any real use or value is next to impossible. All they do now is clog town with crappy shops that no one is going to drive from out of town to go and visit. As a city premium shops are what we want to bring in trade and offer real choice.
[quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please![/p][/quote]what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid?[/p][/quote]You need to get out more. Pound shops these days can often be a bit of a rip off in real terms. Now that the pound has gone down in value so much since they first opened up buying anything of any real use or value is next to impossible. All they do now is clog town with crappy shops that no one is going to drive from out of town to go and visit. As a city premium shops are what we want to bring in trade and offer real choice. presterjohn
  • Score: 1

11:03am Thu 23 Jan 14

liketoknow says...

presterjohn wrote:
liketoknow wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please!
what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid?
You need to get out more. Pound shops these days can often be a bit of a rip off in real terms. Now that the pound has gone down in value so much since they first opened up buying anything of any real use or value is next to impossible. All they do now is clog town with crappy shops that no one is going to drive from out of town to go and visit. As a city premium shops are what we want to bring in trade and offer real choice.
you go in ,look around; if it's crap you don't buy it!
[quote][p][bold]presterjohn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please![/p][/quote]what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid?[/p][/quote]You need to get out more. Pound shops these days can often be a bit of a rip off in real terms. Now that the pound has gone down in value so much since they first opened up buying anything of any real use or value is next to impossible. All they do now is clog town with crappy shops that no one is going to drive from out of town to go and visit. As a city premium shops are what we want to bring in trade and offer real choice.[/p][/quote]you go in ,look around; if it's crap you don't buy it! liketoknow
  • Score: 1

11:10am Thu 23 Jan 14

liketoknow says...

CJH wrote:
300 parking spaces? Finally somewhere for the council employees to park their cars! But I would seriously query the sense in having that many cars going in and out of a store that size at the top of London Road. That way madness lies.
imagine it when sixth form and nunnery wood come out .
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: 300 parking spaces? Finally somewhere for the council employees to park their cars! But I would seriously query the sense in having that many cars going in and out of a store that size at the top of London Road. That way madness lies.[/p][/quote]imagine it when sixth form and nunnery wood come out . liketoknow
  • Score: 5

11:44am Thu 23 Jan 14

John Foregate says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Coun Bayliss was until he jumped ship a labour Councillor, and it was at the behest of Labour Councillors that the old Co-Op building was bought by WCC for a proposed new Library because in the words of Labour councillor Peachey, those who used the library in the tything were discouraged by having to walk that far. But really they as CO-OP sponsered Councillors were looking out for their paymasters, since several were and still are sponsered from the CO-OP coffers.
Nothing really changes in politics does it?
However back to London Road,which isn't in the St Peters Ward that Coun Bayliss was parachuted into knowing the voters of The Arbouretum he deserted, would chuck him out, Waitrose know that there will be loads of new housing over that side of the City and will be ready when it happens and they do have a different Clientel, a little up market, plus John Lewis, I would say there will be a place for them there.
As to traffic, the site is Just a few hundred Yards away from the link roads and the M5, so alltogether a shrewd plan and one that will probably get planning permission ok..
Jabbadad - the old Co-op building had already been sold to a developer before the County Council bought it, so Co-op party politics had nothing to do with it.
A new supermarket, or any other building, causes traffic issues wherever it is located - it's all these cars that cause it!
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Coun Bayliss was until he jumped ship a labour Councillor, and it was at the behest of Labour Councillors that the old Co-Op building was bought by WCC for a proposed new Library because in the words of Labour councillor Peachey, those who used the library in the tything were discouraged by having to walk that far. But really they as CO-OP sponsered Councillors were looking out for their paymasters, since several were and still are sponsered from the CO-OP coffers. Nothing really changes in politics does it? However back to London Road,which isn't in the St Peters Ward that Coun Bayliss was parachuted into knowing the voters of The Arbouretum he deserted, would chuck him out, Waitrose know that there will be loads of new housing over that side of the City and will be ready when it happens and they do have a different Clientel, a little up market, plus John Lewis, I would say there will be a place for them there. As to traffic, the site is Just a few hundred Yards away from the link roads and the M5, so alltogether a shrewd plan and one that will probably get planning permission ok..[/p][/quote]Jabbadad - the old Co-op building had already been sold to a developer before the County Council bought it, so Co-op party politics had nothing to do with it. A new supermarket, or any other building, causes traffic issues wherever it is located - it's all these cars that cause it! John Foregate
  • Score: 0

8:34pm Thu 23 Jan 14

TheLoudBloke says...

Has Cllr Baylis been into the centre of Worcester in the past 20 years? The traffic chaos in Trinity Street and at St Martins Quarter, is chaos at the best of times.
Question 1: Why would the council want to make a bad situation worse?
Question 2: Why would Waitrose want to open a store where no one can easily access it?
The council have proved yet again how hopeless they are, how do they keep getting elected?
Has Cllr Baylis been into the centre of Worcester in the past 20 years? The traffic chaos in Trinity Street and at St Martins Quarter, is chaos at the best of times. Question 1: Why would the council want to make a bad situation worse? Question 2: Why would Waitrose want to open a store where no one can easily access it? The council have proved yet again how hopeless they are, how do they keep getting elected? TheLoudBloke
  • Score: 1

8:53pm Thu 23 Jan 14

TheLoudBloke says...

Redhillman wrote:
Having a Waitrose in Worcester is great news and will give more choice against the Tesco cartel. But we can all see that the proposed location will cause traffic chaos but I bet you one jot, the highways department will say there won't be an issue!

We all knew the location of Asda would cause havoc and that is exactly what has happened, despite the council saying this wouldn't be the case. Waitrose will also be extremely popular and will attract shoppers in numbers that will exceed 300 car park spaces, especially at the weekends, causing traffic chaos on what is already a busy road. The only way to alleviate the problem would be to construct a roundabout outside the entrance to the site or widen the road to create a right-turn bay and a facility to stack cars in the middle of the road, away from the main flow of traffic heading in to town. But either option will have an impact on the houses opposite Ebenezer Baylis and it won't solve the inevitable traffic issues. The extra few hundred houses cropping up behind Kilbury Drive will add to the chaos as Waitrose will the closest supermarket to these households.

The best place to have a new supermarket like this on this side of Worcester will be on the fields right next to the new hospital car parks. An access roads (Charles Hastings Drive) with the required layouts already exists and will cope with the extra traffic, while the field is large enough to accommodate a store and car park of sufficient size to cope with the huge number of shoppers that will exist.

But just see this application approved and for the highways department to say there'll be no problems, and then just weeks after the store is open, we'll say we told you so. Again.
No supermarket or retail emporium would locate next to the hospital. Why? Because their parking would get used by hospital visitors and staff.
Same applies for any commercial development of that area.
What Worcester needs is a proper ring road, to take traffic out of the city centre and a removal of the 19th Century transport infrastructure on Newton Rd, Bilford Rd and Brickfields Rd, that would be a start. Oh and some properly planned ans synchronised traffic light systems, not the current rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]Redhillman[/bold] wrote: Having a Waitrose in Worcester is great news and will give more choice against the Tesco cartel. But we can all see that the proposed location will cause traffic chaos but I bet you one jot, the highways department will say there won't be an issue! We all knew the location of Asda would cause havoc and that is exactly what has happened, despite the council saying this wouldn't be the case. Waitrose will also be extremely popular and will attract shoppers in numbers that will exceed 300 car park spaces, especially at the weekends, causing traffic chaos on what is already a busy road. The only way to alleviate the problem would be to construct a roundabout outside the entrance to the site or widen the road to create a right-turn bay and a facility to stack cars in the middle of the road, away from the main flow of traffic heading in to town. But either option will have an impact on the houses opposite Ebenezer Baylis and it won't solve the inevitable traffic issues. The extra few hundred houses cropping up behind Kilbury Drive will add to the chaos as Waitrose will the closest supermarket to these households. The best place to have a new supermarket like this on this side of Worcester will be on the fields right next to the new hospital car parks. An access roads (Charles Hastings Drive) with the required layouts already exists and will cope with the extra traffic, while the field is large enough to accommodate a store and car park of sufficient size to cope with the huge number of shoppers that will exist. But just see this application approved and for the highways department to say there'll be no problems, and then just weeks after the store is open, we'll say we told you so. Again.[/p][/quote]No supermarket or retail emporium would locate next to the hospital. Why? Because their parking would get used by hospital visitors and staff. Same applies for any commercial development of that area. What Worcester needs is a proper ring road, to take traffic out of the city centre and a removal of the 19th Century transport infrastructure on Newton Rd, Bilford Rd and Brickfields Rd, that would be a start. Oh and some properly planned ans synchronised traffic light systems, not the current rubbish. TheLoudBloke
  • Score: 1

9:16pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Mrs T Jones says...

Someone mentioned the traffic that will be generated by the housing development behind kilbury Drive, but far greater impact in this area around the top of London Road, will be from the sale and re-development of the huge Tax Office and DEFRA site (behind the tall trees at the dual track). Staff at this site have been informed that it will be sold for housing, with a public announcement expected next month.

Put this influx of properties together with the new superstore and there is little doubt that the traffic is going to ground to a halt.
Someone mentioned the traffic that will be generated by the housing development behind kilbury Drive, but far greater impact in this area around the top of London Road, will be from the sale and re-development of the huge Tax Office and DEFRA site (behind the tall trees at the dual track). Staff at this site have been informed that it will be sold for housing, with a public announcement expected next month. Put this influx of properties together with the new superstore and there is little doubt that the traffic is going to ground to a halt. Mrs T Jones
  • Score: 0

6:59am Fri 24 Jan 14

presterjohn says...

Mrs T Jones wrote:
Someone mentioned the traffic that will be generated by the housing development behind kilbury Drive, but far greater impact in this area around the top of London Road, will be from the sale and re-development of the huge Tax Office and DEFRA site (behind the tall trees at the dual track). Staff at this site have been informed that it will be sold for housing, with a public announcement expected next month.

Put this influx of properties together with the new superstore and there is little doubt that the traffic is going to ground to a halt.
Very often when a developer puts in for a large job like Waitrose and this large housing project have they are obliged to make changes to the road ways to ease congestion. I suspect at least some changes will be made to ease congestion problems.
[quote][p][bold]Mrs T Jones[/bold] wrote: Someone mentioned the traffic that will be generated by the housing development behind kilbury Drive, but far greater impact in this area around the top of London Road, will be from the sale and re-development of the huge Tax Office and DEFRA site (behind the tall trees at the dual track). Staff at this site have been informed that it will be sold for housing, with a public announcement expected next month. Put this influx of properties together with the new superstore and there is little doubt that the traffic is going to ground to a halt.[/p][/quote]Very often when a developer puts in for a large job like Waitrose and this large housing project have they are obliged to make changes to the road ways to ease congestion. I suspect at least some changes will be made to ease congestion problems. presterjohn
  • Score: 1

9:42pm Fri 24 Jan 14

liketoknow says...

Samboy wrote:
There is an old Bernard Cribbins song - Hole in the road'. The lyrics go " Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere. It's going to be round and it ought to be square.... and you can't put a hole where a hole don't belong." Reading the above correspondence suggests the world is full of experts.
square pegs in round holes ?
[quote][p][bold]Samboy[/bold] wrote: There is an old Bernard Cribbins song - Hole in the road'. The lyrics go " Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere. It's going to be round and it ought to be square.... and you can't put a hole where a hole don't belong." Reading the above correspondence suggests the world is full of experts.[/p][/quote]square pegs in round holes ? liketoknow
  • Score: -2

10:05pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Stuart 1 says...

liketoknow wrote:
Samboy wrote:
There is an old Bernard Cribbins song - Hole in the road'. The lyrics go " Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere. It's going to be round and it ought to be square.... and you can't put a hole where a hole don't belong." Reading the above correspondence suggests the world is full of experts.
square pegs in round holes ?
A wee bit too much cynicism - it is right that people should take an active interest, and yes people should have views - it is healthy and needs to be encouraged! Worcester is growing at a massive rate and it is a vibrant city with a broad mix of people, culture, arts and employment. Over the next 30 years it will change dramatically - it will be better than the disasters of the 60's and is a wonderful place to live
[quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Samboy[/bold] wrote: There is an old Bernard Cribbins song - Hole in the road'. The lyrics go " Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere. It's going to be round and it ought to be square.... and you can't put a hole where a hole don't belong." Reading the above correspondence suggests the world is full of experts.[/p][/quote]square pegs in round holes ?[/p][/quote]A wee bit too much cynicism - it is right that people should take an active interest, and yes people should have views - it is healthy and needs to be encouraged! Worcester is growing at a massive rate and it is a vibrant city with a broad mix of people, culture, arts and employment. Over the next 30 years it will change dramatically - it will be better than the disasters of the 60's and is a wonderful place to live Stuart 1
  • Score: 5

11:36am Sat 25 Jan 14

liketoknow says...

Stuart 1 wrote:
liketoknow wrote:
Samboy wrote:
There is an old Bernard Cribbins song - Hole in the road'. The lyrics go " Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere. It's going to be round and it ought to be square.... and you can't put a hole where a hole don't belong." Reading the above correspondence suggests the world is full of experts.
square pegs in round holes ?
A wee bit too much cynicism - it is right that people should take an active interest, and yes people should have views - it is healthy and needs to be encouraged! Worcester is growing at a massive rate and it is a vibrant city with a broad mix of people, culture, arts and employment. Over the next 30 years it will change dramatically - it will be better than the disasters of the 60's and is a wonderful place to live
yes .The 'rape' of Worcester. I didn't mean to sound cynical. it's just the track record isn't good
[quote][p][bold]Stuart 1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Samboy[/bold] wrote: There is an old Bernard Cribbins song - Hole in the road'. The lyrics go " Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere. It's going to be round and it ought to be square.... and you can't put a hole where a hole don't belong." Reading the above correspondence suggests the world is full of experts.[/p][/quote]square pegs in round holes ?[/p][/quote]A wee bit too much cynicism - it is right that people should take an active interest, and yes people should have views - it is healthy and needs to be encouraged! Worcester is growing at a massive rate and it is a vibrant city with a broad mix of people, culture, arts and employment. Over the next 30 years it will change dramatically - it will be better than the disasters of the 60's and is a wonderful place to live[/p][/quote]yes .The 'rape' of Worcester. I didn't mean to sound cynical. it's just the track record isn't good liketoknow
  • Score: 0

11:53am Sat 25 Jan 14

Jabbadad says...

What an amazing ill informed idea from Ideas4all about using the Country Side Centre fo a supermarket site. The Countryside centre is well used, has a lovely cafe / diner with good food at reasonable prices pleasant staff. and Clean adequate Toilets.
I am always pleased to see the hundreds who do use the open spaces and childrens play areas.
AS to the old Trinity co-op building I am reasonably sure that the County Council were indeed involved in the sale or purchase of this building, for the reasons mentioned. I will archive the info.
What an amazing ill informed idea from Ideas4all about using the Country Side Centre fo a supermarket site. The Countryside centre is well used, has a lovely cafe / diner with good food at reasonable prices pleasant staff. and Clean adequate Toilets. I am always pleased to see the hundreds who do use the open spaces and childrens play areas. AS to the old Trinity co-op building I am reasonably sure that the County Council were indeed involved in the sale or purchase of this building, for the reasons mentioned. I will archive the info. Jabbadad
  • Score: 1

5:16pm Sat 25 Jan 14

brooksider says...

Mrs T Jones wrote:
Someone mentioned the traffic that will be generated by the housing development behind kilbury Drive, but far greater impact in this area around the top of London Road, will be from the sale and re-development of the huge Tax Office and DEFRA site (behind the tall trees at the dual track). Staff at this site have been informed that it will be sold for housing, with a public announcement expected next month.

Put this influx of properties together with the new superstore and there is little doubt that the traffic is going to ground to a halt.
That site is better suited for a supermarket as it sits on a dual carriageway and even a roundabout can be added if required.
The proposed site will create chaos.
[quote][p][bold]Mrs T Jones[/bold] wrote: Someone mentioned the traffic that will be generated by the housing development behind kilbury Drive, but far greater impact in this area around the top of London Road, will be from the sale and re-development of the huge Tax Office and DEFRA site (behind the tall trees at the dual track). Staff at this site have been informed that it will be sold for housing, with a public announcement expected next month. Put this influx of properties together with the new superstore and there is little doubt that the traffic is going to ground to a halt.[/p][/quote]That site is better suited for a supermarket as it sits on a dual carriageway and even a roundabout can be added if required. The proposed site will create chaos. brooksider
  • Score: 2

6:02pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Marcbayliss says...

just for the record my division is called St Peters but it is actually st peters and battenhall and i represent one side of the London road that directly faces this site. I am listening and reflecting the concerns of my local residents. I was asked for better sites than the one proposed, and the old co-op site is available and has a lot of car parking nearby that could be used by shoppers. It isn't perfect as a site, but i believe it is better than the one proposed.
just for the record my division is called St Peters but it is actually st peters and battenhall and i represent one side of the London road that directly faces this site. I am listening and reflecting the concerns of my local residents. I was asked for better sites than the one proposed, and the old co-op site is available and has a lot of car parking nearby that could be used by shoppers. It isn't perfect as a site, but i believe it is better than the one proposed. Marcbayliss
  • Score: -2

6:16pm Sat 25 Jan 14

CJH says...

Marcbayliss wrote:
just for the record my division is called St Peters but it is actually st peters and battenhall and i represent one side of the London road that directly faces this site. I am listening and reflecting the concerns of my local residents. I was asked for better sites than the one proposed, and the old co-op site is available and has a lot of car parking nearby that could be used by shoppers. It isn't perfect as a site, but i believe it is better than the one proposed.
A lot of car parking nearby???? You try taking a trolley load of shopping from the co-op site to the nearest car park. Have you no sense at all? And the proposed one is a nightmare as well. The traffic is chaos at rush hour now at the top of London Road. Move it to the open space behind County Hall. If people visiting the hospital or County Hall need to park there what does tell you about the existing arrangements? Just once I'd like one of you councillors to admit that the PUBLIC is right and our wishes should be taken into consideration. Stop trying to fit things into places which the current infrastructure cannot possibly cope with. No major redevelopment should be done anywhere until you've sorted out the road system. And no half baked ideas. Keep it simple and effective. We just want something that works for the majority of the city. Confidence in the council is at an all time low. We think you're all self serving idiots. That's not right I know, but as you also should know; the truth doesn't matter, it's people's perception of the truth. So prove us wrong, stop fannying about and sort the bloody mess out! Brave of you to post a comment by the way, and you are to be commended for it. Pity most of your colleagues choose to ignore the comments posted here.
[quote][p][bold]Marcbayliss[/bold] wrote: just for the record my division is called St Peters but it is actually st peters and battenhall and i represent one side of the London road that directly faces this site. I am listening and reflecting the concerns of my local residents. I was asked for better sites than the one proposed, and the old co-op site is available and has a lot of car parking nearby that could be used by shoppers. It isn't perfect as a site, but i believe it is better than the one proposed.[/p][/quote]A lot of car parking nearby???? You try taking a trolley load of shopping from the co-op site to the nearest car park. Have you no sense at all? And the proposed one is a nightmare as well. The traffic is chaos at rush hour now at the top of London Road. Move it to the open space behind County Hall. If people visiting the hospital or County Hall need to park there what does tell you about the existing arrangements? Just once I'd like one of you councillors to admit that the PUBLIC is right and our wishes should be taken into consideration. Stop trying to fit things into places which the current infrastructure cannot possibly cope with. No major redevelopment should be done anywhere until you've sorted out the road system. And no half baked ideas. Keep it simple and effective. We just want something that works for the majority of the city. Confidence in the council is at an all time low. We think you're all self serving idiots. That's not right I know, but as you also should know; the truth doesn't matter, it's people's perception of the truth. So prove us wrong, stop fannying about and sort the bloody mess out! Brave of you to post a comment by the way, and you are to be commended for it. Pity most of your colleagues choose to ignore the comments posted here. CJH
  • Score: 3

6:53pm Sat 25 Jan 14

copierman says...

Marcbayliss wrote:
just for the record my division is called St Peters but it is actually st peters and battenhall and i represent one side of the London road that directly faces this site. I am listening and reflecting the concerns of my local residents. I was asked for better sites than the one proposed, and the old co-op site is available and has a lot of car parking nearby that could be used by shoppers. It isn't perfect as a site, but i believe it is better than the one proposed.
Where is this "car parking nearby" that you mention?
[quote][p][bold]Marcbayliss[/bold] wrote: just for the record my division is called St Peters but it is actually st peters and battenhall and i represent one side of the London road that directly faces this site. I am listening and reflecting the concerns of my local residents. I was asked for better sites than the one proposed, and the old co-op site is available and has a lot of car parking nearby that could be used by shoppers. It isn't perfect as a site, but i believe it is better than the one proposed.[/p][/quote]Where is this "car parking nearby" that you mention? copierman
  • Score: 1

6:55pm Sat 25 Jan 14

copierman says...

Marcbayliss wrote:
just for the record my division is called St Peters but it is actually st peters and battenhall and i represent one side of the London road that directly faces this site. I am listening and reflecting the concerns of my local residents. I was asked for better sites than the one proposed, and the old co-op site is available and has a lot of car parking nearby that could be used by shoppers. It isn't perfect as a site, but i believe it is better than the one proposed.
What planet is this bloke on?
[quote][p][bold]Marcbayliss[/bold] wrote: just for the record my division is called St Peters but it is actually st peters and battenhall and i represent one side of the London road that directly faces this site. I am listening and reflecting the concerns of my local residents. I was asked for better sites than the one proposed, and the old co-op site is available and has a lot of car parking nearby that could be used by shoppers. It isn't perfect as a site, but i believe it is better than the one proposed.[/p][/quote]What planet is this bloke on? copierman
  • Score: 1

7:08pm Sat 25 Jan 14

copierman says...

goodygoody wrote:
liketoknow wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please!
what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid?
It's not the same stuff. I'm posh, I know!
Full of smelly people from " Benefit St". I suck a strong mint when in a queue in one of those places due to peoples personal hygiene problems that go into these type of shops.
[quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please![/p][/quote]what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid?[/p][/quote]It's not the same stuff. I'm posh, I know![/p][/quote]Full of smelly people from " Benefit St". I suck a strong mint when in a queue in one of those places due to peoples personal hygiene problems that go into these type of shops. copierman
  • Score: 0

7:12pm Sat 25 Jan 14

copierman says...

presterjohn wrote:
liketoknow wrote:
if they put it up London road' only motorists will use it. if they put it in the centre pedestrians can.
But motorists probably won't and that is where the money is.
There is nowhere for motorists to park there that's why.
[quote][p][bold]presterjohn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: if they put it up London road' only motorists will use it. if they put it in the centre pedestrians can.[/p][/quote]But motorists probably won't and that is where the money is.[/p][/quote]There is nowhere for motorists to park there that's why. copierman
  • Score: -1

7:16pm Sat 25 Jan 14

copierman says...

Redhillman wrote:
Having a Waitrose in Worcester is great news and will give more choice against the Tesco cartel. But we can all see that the proposed location will cause traffic chaos but I bet you one jot, the highways department will say there won't be an issue!

We all knew the location of Asda would cause havoc and that is exactly what has happened, despite the council saying this wouldn't be the case. Waitrose will also be extremely popular and will attract shoppers in numbers that will exceed 300 car park spaces, especially at the weekends, causing traffic chaos on what is already a busy road. The only way to alleviate the problem would be to construct a roundabout outside the entrance to the site or widen the road to create a right-turn bay and a facility to stack cars in the middle of the road, away from the main flow of traffic heading in to town. But either option will have an impact on the houses opposite Ebenezer Baylis and it won't solve the inevitable traffic issues. The extra few hundred houses cropping up behind Kilbury Drive will add to the chaos as Waitrose will the closest supermarket to these households.

The best place to have a new supermarket like this on this side of Worcester will be on the fields right next to the new hospital car parks. An access roads (Charles Hastings Drive) with the required layouts already exists and will cope with the extra traffic, while the field is large enough to accommodate a store and car park of sufficient size to cope with the huge number of shoppers that will exist.

But just see this application approved and for the highways department to say there'll be no problems, and then just weeks after the store is open, we'll say we told you so. Again.
Free car park for hospital visitors at Waitrose then hmmm.
[quote][p][bold]Redhillman[/bold] wrote: Having a Waitrose in Worcester is great news and will give more choice against the Tesco cartel. But we can all see that the proposed location will cause traffic chaos but I bet you one jot, the highways department will say there won't be an issue! We all knew the location of Asda would cause havoc and that is exactly what has happened, despite the council saying this wouldn't be the case. Waitrose will also be extremely popular and will attract shoppers in numbers that will exceed 300 car park spaces, especially at the weekends, causing traffic chaos on what is already a busy road. The only way to alleviate the problem would be to construct a roundabout outside the entrance to the site or widen the road to create a right-turn bay and a facility to stack cars in the middle of the road, away from the main flow of traffic heading in to town. But either option will have an impact on the houses opposite Ebenezer Baylis and it won't solve the inevitable traffic issues. The extra few hundred houses cropping up behind Kilbury Drive will add to the chaos as Waitrose will the closest supermarket to these households. The best place to have a new supermarket like this on this side of Worcester will be on the fields right next to the new hospital car parks. An access roads (Charles Hastings Drive) with the required layouts already exists and will cope with the extra traffic, while the field is large enough to accommodate a store and car park of sufficient size to cope with the huge number of shoppers that will exist. But just see this application approved and for the highways department to say there'll be no problems, and then just weeks after the store is open, we'll say we told you so. Again.[/p][/quote]Free car park for hospital visitors at Waitrose then hmmm. copierman
  • Score: -2

7:20pm Sat 25 Jan 14

copierman says...

New Waitrose site, there is a roundabout virtually outside the proposed site. It is a few yards to the left before the BP garage. As long as it's left turn only from Waitrose what's the problem?
New Waitrose site, there is a roundabout virtually outside the proposed site. It is a few yards to the left before the BP garage. As long as it's left turn only from Waitrose what's the problem? copierman
  • Score: -2

9:13pm Sat 25 Jan 14

CJH says...

copierman wrote:
New Waitrose site, there is a roundabout virtually outside the proposed site. It is a few yards to the left before the BP garage. As long as it's left turn only from Waitrose what's the problem?
Are you technical advisor to Clr Bayliss by any chance? Try negotiating this bit of road when it's rush hour. Good luck with that.
[quote][p][bold]copierman[/bold] wrote: New Waitrose site, there is a roundabout virtually outside the proposed site. It is a few yards to the left before the BP garage. As long as it's left turn only from Waitrose what's the problem?[/p][/quote]Are you technical advisor to Clr Bayliss by any chance? Try negotiating this bit of road when it's rush hour. Good luck with that. CJH
  • Score: 3

12:37am Sun 26 Jan 14

Jabbadad says...

Perhaps George another miraculuos Tory convert could be a tech advisor to Marc Bayliss?
Perhaps George another miraculuos Tory convert could be a tech advisor to Marc Bayliss? Jabbadad
  • Score: -1

7:26am Mon 27 Jan 14

copierman says...

CJH wrote:
copierman wrote:
New Waitrose site, there is a roundabout virtually outside the proposed site. It is a few yards to the left before the BP garage. As long as it's left turn only from Waitrose what's the problem?
Are you technical advisor to Clr Bayliss by any chance? Try negotiating this bit of road when it's rush hour. Good luck with that.
Everywhere is busy in rush hour, this bit of road is no different to any other, you obviously get very stressed then? CHILL.
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]copierman[/bold] wrote: New Waitrose site, there is a roundabout virtually outside the proposed site. It is a few yards to the left before the BP garage. As long as it's left turn only from Waitrose what's the problem?[/p][/quote]Are you technical advisor to Clr Bayliss by any chance? Try negotiating this bit of road when it's rush hour. Good luck with that.[/p][/quote]Everywhere is busy in rush hour, this bit of road is no different to any other, you obviously get very stressed then? CHILL. copierman
  • Score: 0

9:18am Mon 27 Jan 14

lovelyjubbly says...

copierman wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
liketoknow wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please!
what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid?
It's not the same stuff. I'm posh, I know!
Full of smelly people from " Benefit St". I suck a strong mint when in a queue in one of those places due to peoples personal hygiene problems that go into these type of shops.
I sincerely hope that you are making a joke! If not How Dare You. A horrible comment!
[quote][p][bold]copierman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please![/p][/quote]what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid?[/p][/quote]It's not the same stuff. I'm posh, I know![/p][/quote]Full of smelly people from " Benefit St". I suck a strong mint when in a queue in one of those places due to peoples personal hygiene problems that go into these type of shops.[/p][/quote]I sincerely hope that you are making a joke! If not How Dare You. A horrible comment! lovelyjubbly
  • Score: 0

10:33am Mon 27 Jan 14

CJH says...

lovelyjubbly wrote:
copierman wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
liketoknow wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please!
what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid?
It's not the same stuff. I'm posh, I know!
Full of smelly people from " Benefit St". I suck a strong mint when in a queue in one of those places due to peoples personal hygiene problems that go into these type of shops.
I sincerely hope that you are making a joke! If not How Dare You. A horrible comment!
"...hope that you are making a joke!" He just thinks he's funny. Sad isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]lovelyjubbly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]copierman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please![/p][/quote]what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid?[/p][/quote]It's not the same stuff. I'm posh, I know![/p][/quote]Full of smelly people from " Benefit St". I suck a strong mint when in a queue in one of those places due to peoples personal hygiene problems that go into these type of shops.[/p][/quote]I sincerely hope that you are making a joke! If not How Dare You. A horrible comment![/p][/quote]"...hope that you are making a joke!" He just thinks he's funny. Sad isn't it? CJH
  • Score: 1

10:37am Mon 27 Jan 14

liketoknow says...

copierman wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
liketoknow wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please!
what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid?
It's not the same stuff. I'm posh, I know!
Full of smelly people from " Benefit St". I suck a strong mint when in a queue in one of those places due to peoples personal hygiene problems that go into these type of shops.
'quality' supermarket that sales the same stuff only more expensive.
[quote][p][bold]copierman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please![/p][/quote]what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid?[/p][/quote]It's not the same stuff. I'm posh, I know![/p][/quote]Full of smelly people from " Benefit St". I suck a strong mint when in a queue in one of those places due to peoples personal hygiene problems that go into these type of shops.[/p][/quote]'quality' supermarket that sales the same stuff only more expensive. liketoknow
  • Score: 1

2:50pm Mon 27 Jan 14

FlinkGnat says...

copierman wrote:
Redhillman wrote:
Having a Waitrose in Worcester is great news and will give more choice against the Tesco cartel. But we can all see that the proposed location will cause traffic chaos but I bet you one jot, the highways department will say there won't be an issue!

We all knew the location of Asda would cause havoc and that is exactly what has happened, despite the council saying this wouldn't be the case. Waitrose will also be extremely popular and will attract shoppers in numbers that will exceed 300 car park spaces, especially at the weekends, causing traffic chaos on what is already a busy road. The only way to alleviate the problem would be to construct a roundabout outside the entrance to the site or widen the road to create a right-turn bay and a facility to stack cars in the middle of the road, away from the main flow of traffic heading in to town. But either option will have an impact on the houses opposite Ebenezer Baylis and it won't solve the inevitable traffic issues. The extra few hundred houses cropping up behind Kilbury Drive will add to the chaos as Waitrose will the closest supermarket to these households.

The best place to have a new supermarket like this on this side of Worcester will be on the fields right next to the new hospital car parks. An access roads (Charles Hastings Drive) with the required layouts already exists and will cope with the extra traffic, while the field is large enough to accommodate a store and car park of sufficient size to cope with the huge number of shoppers that will exist.

But just see this application approved and for the highways department to say there'll be no problems, and then just weeks after the store is open, we'll say we told you so. Again.
Free car park for hospital visitors at Waitrose then hmmm.
Why would it be free for hospital visitors? There are numerous ways to solve that issue.
Pay n' display?
Shop at Waitrose claim your parking money back?
Sensors on the parking bays, stay parked too long expect a fine (e.g. Sainsbury's in St. Johns)
[quote][p][bold]copierman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redhillman[/bold] wrote: Having a Waitrose in Worcester is great news and will give more choice against the Tesco cartel. But we can all see that the proposed location will cause traffic chaos but I bet you one jot, the highways department will say there won't be an issue! We all knew the location of Asda would cause havoc and that is exactly what has happened, despite the council saying this wouldn't be the case. Waitrose will also be extremely popular and will attract shoppers in numbers that will exceed 300 car park spaces, especially at the weekends, causing traffic chaos on what is already a busy road. The only way to alleviate the problem would be to construct a roundabout outside the entrance to the site or widen the road to create a right-turn bay and a facility to stack cars in the middle of the road, away from the main flow of traffic heading in to town. But either option will have an impact on the houses opposite Ebenezer Baylis and it won't solve the inevitable traffic issues. The extra few hundred houses cropping up behind Kilbury Drive will add to the chaos as Waitrose will the closest supermarket to these households. The best place to have a new supermarket like this on this side of Worcester will be on the fields right next to the new hospital car parks. An access roads (Charles Hastings Drive) with the required layouts already exists and will cope with the extra traffic, while the field is large enough to accommodate a store and car park of sufficient size to cope with the huge number of shoppers that will exist. But just see this application approved and for the highways department to say there'll be no problems, and then just weeks after the store is open, we'll say we told you so. Again.[/p][/quote]Free car park for hospital visitors at Waitrose then hmmm.[/p][/quote]Why would it be free for hospital visitors? There are numerous ways to solve that issue. Pay n' display? Shop at Waitrose claim your parking money back? Sensors on the parking bays, stay parked too long expect a fine (e.g. Sainsbury's in St. Johns) FlinkGnat
  • Score: 0

3:54pm Mon 27 Jan 14

copierman says...

lovelyjubbly wrote:
copierman wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
liketoknow wrote:
goodygoody wrote:
At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please!
what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid?
It's not the same stuff. I'm posh, I know!
Full of smelly people from " Benefit St". I suck a strong mint when in a queue in one of those places due to peoples personal hygiene problems that go into these type of shops.
I sincerely hope that you are making a joke! If not How Dare You. A horrible comment!
Not a joke just a fact of life!
[quote][p][bold]lovelyjubbly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]copierman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goodygoody[/bold] wrote: At last a quality supermarket also selling John Lewis ware. Brilliant news. Sick of all the pound shops, B&M, 99 stores and the rest that drag Worcester down. More poshness please![/p][/quote]what's wrong with pound shops.Why get ripped off if you can get the same stuff for a quid?[/p][/quote]It's not the same stuff. I'm posh, I know![/p][/quote]Full of smelly people from " Benefit St". I suck a strong mint when in a queue in one of those places due to peoples personal hygiene problems that go into these type of shops.[/p][/quote]I sincerely hope that you are making a joke! If not How Dare You. A horrible comment![/p][/quote]Not a joke just a fact of life! copierman
  • Score: 1

8:59pm Mon 27 Jan 14

FlinkGnat says...

Although the Waitrose opening hours are not published, this plan is likely to mean 24/7 misery for all those houses and flats surrounding the proposed location.
Although the Waitrose opening hours are not published, this plan is likely to mean 24/7 misery for all those houses and flats surrounding the proposed location. FlinkGnat
  • Score: 3

10:34pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Bufton Tufton says...

dulon wrote:
The location is perfectly acceptable for pedestrians if they wish to use the exemplary bus services to the location from the town centre . However how many pedestrians do their big weekly shop in the centre of town using public transport ? In fact in the town centre how many shops 'do' the grocery items that Waitrose sell ? 3 or 4 ?
The only drawback will be when our coveted councillors decide to screw things up with cycle and bus lanes ....
But dunderhead, if they come on the bus they are no longer pedestrians and perhaps a bus and cycle lane will help expatiate their progress and that of cyclists too. On the other hand, the city center is so close if that is where you are coming from and you are able bodied be a genuine pedestrian and WALK. Many people live within walking distance of this proposed store too so it wpould be a local store as well as one serving the area. Perhaps it will help prevent our Waitrose in Malvern becoming cluttered up with Worcester day trippers queuing in the caffe for their free "My Waitrose" card coffees.
[quote][p][bold]dulon[/bold] wrote: The location is perfectly acceptable for pedestrians if they wish to use the exemplary bus services to the location from the town centre . However how many pedestrians do their big weekly shop in the centre of town using public transport ? In fact in the town centre how many shops 'do' the grocery items that Waitrose sell ? 3 or 4 ? The only drawback will be when our coveted councillors decide to screw things up with cycle and bus lanes ....[/p][/quote]But dunderhead, if they come on the bus they are no longer pedestrians and perhaps a bus and cycle lane will help expatiate their progress and that of cyclists too. On the other hand, the city center is so close if that is where you are coming from and you are able bodied be a genuine pedestrian and WALK. Many people live within walking distance of this proposed store too so it wpould be a local store as well as one serving the area. Perhaps it will help prevent our Waitrose in Malvern becoming cluttered up with Worcester day trippers queuing in the caffe for their free "My Waitrose" card coffees. Bufton Tufton
  • Score: -1

10:46pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Bufton Tufton says...

Stuart 1 wrote:
Samboy wrote:
There is an old Bernard Cribbins song - Hole in the road'. The lyrics go " Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere. It's going to be round and it ought to be square.... and you can't put a hole where a hole don't belong." Reading the above correspondence suggests the world is full of experts.yep, from the comfort of home with a wee dram in hand!! it is how democracy works!!!yep, "from the comfort of home with a wee dram in hand!! it is how democracy works!!!" Yes and apparently how increasing numbers of people are choosing to shop.
[quote][p][bold]Stuart 1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Samboy[/bold] wrote: There is an old Bernard Cribbins song - Hole in the road'. The lyrics go " Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere. It's going to be round and it ought to be square.... and you can't put a hole where a hole don't belong." Reading the above correspondence suggests the world is full of experts.[/p][/quote]yep, from the comfort of home with a wee dram in hand!! it is how democracy works!!![/p][/quote][/quote]yep, "from the comfort of home with a wee dram in hand!! it is how democracy works!!!" Yes and apparently how increasing numbers of people are choosing to shop. Bufton Tufton
  • Score: -1

11:40am Mon 3 Feb 14

gmoore1207 says...

TheLoudBloke wrote:
Has Cllr Baylis been into the centre of Worcester in the past 20 years? The traffic chaos in Trinity Street and at St Martins Quarter, is chaos at the best of times.
Question 1: Why would the council want to make a bad situation worse?
Question 2: Why would Waitrose want to open a store where no one can easily access it?
The council have proved yet again how hopeless they are, how do they keep getting elected?
we keep electing them dont we
[quote][p][bold]TheLoudBloke[/bold] wrote: Has Cllr Baylis been into the centre of Worcester in the past 20 years? The traffic chaos in Trinity Street and at St Martins Quarter, is chaos at the best of times. Question 1: Why would the council want to make a bad situation worse? Question 2: Why would Waitrose want to open a store where no one can easily access it? The council have proved yet again how hopeless they are, how do they keep getting elected?[/p][/quote]we keep electing them dont we gmoore1207
  • Score: 1

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