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Zebra crossing unveiled

Zebra crossing unveiled

First published in News

YEARS of work to set up a zebra crossing on a busy road in the Blackpole area of Worcester have paid off.

The new crossing by the Sainsbury's supermarket was officially opened this week following years of campaigning by residents and ward councillors.

Hundreds of people - including scores of schoolchildren - cross the road every day to get to the supermarket and houses in the area.

The crossing was paid for by a £1,000 grant by the Blackpole and Fairmount Community Group as well as donations from Sainsbury's and Regency High School and other groups.

Worcestershire County Council ward member for Gorse Hill and Warndon Cllr Alan Amos also gave up £20,000 of his member's allowance to the cause.

“I made the installing of a zebra crossing on Windermere Drive my top priority after realising how concerned the local people were about it," he said.

"The location sees high footfall due to the nearby supermarket and school, so it was imperative that we took steps to secure pedestrians’ safety.

“Installing a crossing is a costly task, and I would like to say a huge thanks to Blackpole and Fairmount Community Group, Sainsbury’s and Regency High School that all donated.

"Without their support the road would have remained a danger.”

Chairman of Blackpole and Fairmount Community Group Keith Beck said: “I moved to the area over 34 years ago, and there has always been call for a crossing to be put in.

"I am delighted that the group’s contribution helped the community to finally get their wish.”

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5:42pm Mon 10 Feb 14

daffy says...

am i being a pessimist in thinking what a waste of money as people will still carry on crossing where they like without looking, as they do on london road after the council spent £70,000 and the worst culprits are the parents of the children who attend red hill nursery
am i being a pessimist in thinking what a waste of money as people will still carry on crossing where they like without looking, as they do on london road after the council spent £70,000 and the worst culprits are the parents of the children who attend red hill nursery daffy
  • Score: 3

8:02pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Redhillman says...

This is another scheme in Worcester that has only been introduced as a result of years of campaigning, hard work and people power from locals. Were it not for that, the highways department would simply have continued to ignore the hazardous nature of this road and the need for a crossing. It's a shame people have to resort to such actions to get something done, but when you see the sheer incompetence of our highways staff, campaigning is the only way in which we can get things. Well done to those people who worked so hard to get this new crossing.
This is another scheme in Worcester that has only been introduced as a result of years of campaigning, hard work and people power from locals. Were it not for that, the highways department would simply have continued to ignore the hazardous nature of this road and the need for a crossing. It's a shame people have to resort to such actions to get something done, but when you see the sheer incompetence of our highways staff, campaigning is the only way in which we can get things. Well done to those people who worked so hard to get this new crossing. Redhillman
  • Score: 6

1:20am Tue 11 Feb 14

Jabbadad says...

Well done Keith Beck and all those who have supported him during this long long campaign.
Well done Keith Beck and all those who have supported him during this long long campaign. Jabbadad
  • Score: -2

2:16am Tue 11 Feb 14

warriorwoody says...

All praise to those who have kept on until a crossing was made. However, I do question the location. I really dont think a zebra crossing on the corner of a junction is a safe place to instqll one. After all road safty experts encourage that you cross a safe distance from any junction and yet the planners feel that a zebra crossing is different?? why was the corssing not installed halfway between goldsmith and the mini roundabout at the petrol station?
All praise to those who have kept on until a crossing was made. However, I do question the location. I really dont think a zebra crossing on the corner of a junction is a safe place to instqll one. After all road safty experts encourage that you cross a safe distance from any junction and yet the planners feel that a zebra crossing is different?? why was the corssing not installed halfway between goldsmith and the mini roundabout at the petrol station? warriorwoody
  • Score: 4

7:03am Tue 11 Feb 14

Hwicce says...

warriorwoody wrote:
All praise to those who have kept on until a crossing was made. However, I do question the location. I really dont think a zebra crossing on the corner of a junction is a safe place to instqll one. After all road safty experts encourage that you cross a safe distance from any junction and yet the planners feel that a zebra crossing is different?? why was the corssing not installed halfway between goldsmith and the mini roundabout at the petrol station?
Because people wouldn't bother to use it.

People walk in straight lines via the easiest route. If there is a zebra on the route they will use it, if it is 20 yards off their route they will ignore it. Human nature I'm afraid.
[quote][p][bold]warriorwoody[/bold] wrote: All praise to those who have kept on until a crossing was made. However, I do question the location. I really dont think a zebra crossing on the corner of a junction is a safe place to instqll one. After all road safty experts encourage that you cross a safe distance from any junction and yet the planners feel that a zebra crossing is different?? why was the corssing not installed halfway between goldsmith and the mini roundabout at the petrol station?[/p][/quote]Because people wouldn't bother to use it. People walk in straight lines via the easiest route. If there is a zebra on the route they will use it, if it is 20 yards off their route they will ignore it. Human nature I'm afraid. Hwicce
  • Score: 9

8:06am Tue 11 Feb 14

DEMRICS says...

Redhillman wrote:
This is another scheme in Worcester that has only been introduced as a result of years of campaigning, hard work and people power from locals. Were it not for that, the highways department would simply have continued to ignore the hazardous nature of this road and the need for a crossing. It's a shame people have to resort to such actions to get something done, but when you see the sheer incompetence of our highways staff, campaigning is the only way in which we can get things. Well done to those people who worked so hard to get this new crossing.
This is very much correct. Where zebra crossings are needed, the council's highways engineers remain ignorant and won't recognise the safety issues, instead installing these crossing facilities at locations which actually reduces road safety such as Croft Road and outside Asda. Only a long and hard campaign and pressure from residents etc will see crossings installed at places where they are needed. The only question I have is whether a pelican crossing would have been more appropriate here because of the high vehicle speeds?

I too applaud Regency High School, the Blackpole and Fairmount Community Group, Sainsbury's and other groups for their hard work and donations. And shame on the highways department for stirring in to action only after this campaign started rather than acting on what they're paid to do.
[quote][p][bold]Redhillman[/bold] wrote: This is another scheme in Worcester that has only been introduced as a result of years of campaigning, hard work and people power from locals. Were it not for that, the highways department would simply have continued to ignore the hazardous nature of this road and the need for a crossing. It's a shame people have to resort to such actions to get something done, but when you see the sheer incompetence of our highways staff, campaigning is the only way in which we can get things. Well done to those people who worked so hard to get this new crossing.[/p][/quote]This is very much correct. Where zebra crossings are needed, the council's highways engineers remain ignorant and won't recognise the safety issues, instead installing these crossing facilities at locations which actually reduces road safety such as Croft Road and outside Asda. Only a long and hard campaign and pressure from residents etc will see crossings installed at places where they are needed. The only question I have is whether a pelican crossing would have been more appropriate here because of the high vehicle speeds? I too applaud Regency High School, the Blackpole and Fairmount Community Group, Sainsbury's and other groups for their hard work and donations. And shame on the highways department for stirring in to action only after this campaign started rather than acting on what they're paid to do. DEMRICS
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9:37am Tue 11 Feb 14

Moltaire says...

Brilliant news and it's good and heartwarming to see the local community, Regency High School, the Blackpole & Fairmount Community Group, Sainsbury's and other groups work so hard to not only fund and get this zebra crossing in place, but to also not back down and be bullied in to submission by the council's highways dept.
Brilliant news and it's good and heartwarming to see the local community, Regency High School, the Blackpole & Fairmount Community Group, Sainsbury's and other groups work so hard to not only fund and get this zebra crossing in place, but to also not back down and be bullied in to submission by the council's highways dept. Moltaire
  • Score: 0

10:58am Tue 11 Feb 14

_stu_ says...

This new crossing is a godsend, especially due to the excessively high vehicle speeds as people race up the hill from the roundabout with little regard for anyone who might want to cross this road on foot. My wife and I will use this crossing regularly with our 2 young daughters.

It is just a shame that even before it was officially unveiled, a pothole has appeared in the new red tarmac.
This new crossing is a godsend, especially due to the excessively high vehicle speeds as people race up the hill from the roundabout with little regard for anyone who might want to cross this road on foot. My wife and I will use this crossing regularly with our 2 young daughters. It is just a shame that even before it was officially unveiled, a pothole has appeared in the new red tarmac. _stu_
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2:13pm Tue 11 Feb 14

DaleWilson966 says...

This is an outrage!!!! I can see it now, children crossing the road back and forward all hours of the day and night, causing grid lock, traffic jams backing up into Bromsgrove! Think of the cost, its an absolute waste of rate payers money. These children running cap in hand to the rate payer expecting us to foot the bill, ive got half a mind to go up to them and ask them to pay for me to get a zebra crossing in my garden, see how they like it, ohh different then!
This is an outrage!!!! I can see it now, children crossing the road back and forward all hours of the day and night, causing grid lock, traffic jams backing up into Bromsgrove! Think of the cost, its an absolute waste of rate payers money. These children running cap in hand to the rate payer expecting us to foot the bill, ive got half a mind to go up to them and ask them to pay for me to get a zebra crossing in my garden, see how they like it, ohh different then! DaleWilson966
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2:26pm Tue 11 Feb 14

CJH says...

DaleWilson966 wrote:
This is an outrage!!!! I can see it now, children crossing the road back and forward all hours of the day and night, causing grid lock, traffic jams backing up into Bromsgrove! Think of the cost, its an absolute waste of rate payers money. These children running cap in hand to the rate payer expecting us to foot the bill, ive got half a mind to go up to them and ask them to pay for me to get a zebra crossing in my garden, see how they like it, ohh different then!
You've got half a mind? Quite right. You do. And didn't you rant this same rant a few days ago on another topic? You could at least be original...
[quote][p][bold]DaleWilson966[/bold] wrote: This is an outrage!!!! I can see it now, children crossing the road back and forward all hours of the day and night, causing grid lock, traffic jams backing up into Bromsgrove! Think of the cost, its an absolute waste of rate payers money. These children running cap in hand to the rate payer expecting us to foot the bill, ive got half a mind to go up to them and ask them to pay for me to get a zebra crossing in my garden, see how they like it, ohh different then![/p][/quote]You've got half a mind? Quite right. You do. And didn't you rant this same rant a few days ago on another topic? You could at least be original... CJH
  • Score: -1

4:54pm Tue 11 Feb 14

saucerer says...

_stu_ wrote:
This new crossing is a godsend, especially due to the excessively high vehicle speeds as people race up the hill from the roundabout with little regard for anyone who might want to cross this road on foot. My wife and I will use this crossing regularly with our 2 young daughters.

It is just a shame that even before it was officially unveiled, a pothole has appeared in the new red tarmac.
No surprises with the pothole. Typical shoddy workmanship from the council. No doubt this will need to be repaired at further expense because they couldn't do the job properly in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]_stu_[/bold] wrote: This new crossing is a godsend, especially due to the excessively high vehicle speeds as people race up the hill from the roundabout with little regard for anyone who might want to cross this road on foot. My wife and I will use this crossing regularly with our 2 young daughters. It is just a shame that even before it was officially unveiled, a pothole has appeared in the new red tarmac.[/p][/quote]No surprises with the pothole. Typical shoddy workmanship from the council. No doubt this will need to be repaired at further expense because they couldn't do the job properly in the first place. saucerer
  • Score: 0

4:55pm Tue 11 Feb 14

moonpig says...

What is the obsession with zebra crossings all of a sudden? They are a ridiculous, outdated idea. The one on Croft Road has had a MAJOR, negative impact on the traffic flow in that area with an almost constant stream of pedestrians just stepping off the pavement without even looking (and motorists slamming the brakes on even as the pedestrians are 50ft away from the crossing). At peak times the traffic is backed all the way up Castle Street and during dark evenings and poor weather, the overhanging trees and bridge backdrop make it very difficult to see the people wanting to cross. The reason that some sensible soul came up with the idea of Pelican Crossings is that it keeps the traffic flowing and also makes it safer for pedestrians. If Worcester council are going to keep bunging zebras in all over the place they need to run a proper campaign to teach both motorists and pedestrians how to use them.
What is the obsession with zebra crossings all of a sudden? They are a ridiculous, outdated idea. The one on Croft Road has had a MAJOR, negative impact on the traffic flow in that area with an almost constant stream of pedestrians just stepping off the pavement without even looking (and motorists slamming the brakes on even as the pedestrians are 50ft away from the crossing). At peak times the traffic is backed all the way up Castle Street and during dark evenings and poor weather, the overhanging trees and bridge backdrop make it very difficult to see the people wanting to cross. The reason that some sensible soul came up with the idea of Pelican Crossings is that it keeps the traffic flowing and also makes it safer for pedestrians. If Worcester council are going to keep bunging zebras in all over the place they need to run a proper campaign to teach both motorists and pedestrians how to use them. moonpig
  • Score: 1

5:16pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Jabbadad says...

Somehow the cost for a Pelican crossing is ridiculously high and takes so much longer to plan and implement, and I agree that the Zebra crossings on Croft Road and Pheasant street have brought a new type of pedestrian who just walks straight to the kerb and over the road without any hesitation, meaning that already the motorists are now conditioned to pull up in anticipation of a pedestrian appearing. Now I always thought there was a code for pedestrians to approach the kerb and wait for the traffic to stop.
Anyway those who are really complaining on here must be the ones who never stopped on Windermere Drive opposite Sainsbury's when there were children and mums and kids or Older People stood patiently waiting to cross the road.
Well I have to confess that I was a driver who frequently stopped , or just slowed down enough to enable those waiting to cross, to get across the road. It's called good manners. We need more tolerance in this rushing here and there world, what possible difference can a few seconds / minutes more make to anyones journey, other than an Ambulance of course.The biggest problem in Pheasant Street are the motorists who are converging on the Asda carpark to park for FREE, and drive in and around back out and in and around again, as many times as it takes for a space to appear.
Somehow the cost for a Pelican crossing is ridiculously high and takes so much longer to plan and implement, and I agree that the Zebra crossings on Croft Road and Pheasant street have brought a new type of pedestrian who just walks straight to the kerb and over the road without any hesitation, meaning that already the motorists are now conditioned to pull up in anticipation of a pedestrian appearing. Now I always thought there was a code for pedestrians to approach the kerb and wait for the traffic to stop. Anyway those who are really complaining on here must be the ones who never stopped on Windermere Drive opposite Sainsbury's when there were children and mums and kids or Older People stood patiently waiting to cross the road. Well I have to confess that I was a driver who frequently stopped , or just slowed down enough to enable those waiting to cross, to get across the road. It's called good manners. We need more tolerance in this rushing here and there world, what possible difference can a few seconds / minutes more make to anyones journey, other than an Ambulance of course.The biggest problem in Pheasant Street are the motorists who are converging on the Asda carpark to park for FREE, and drive in and around back out and in and around again, as many times as it takes for a space to appear. Jabbadad
  • Score: 3

6:17pm Tue 11 Feb 14

bigboobzbeans says...

moan... moan... moan....oh but when someone is killed (like they have been on that road) YOU MOANING LOT ARE THE FIRST TO COMPLAIN... get off your pedestal as one day you may be the one standing there for ages trying to cross this busy road appreciate that there is a crossing for school kids and parents etc to cross ,,who cares what it cost ,,, you cannot put a price on a LIFE ,, go and find something better to moan at ,something relevant at least !!!!!!!
moan... moan... moan....oh but when someone is killed (like they have been on that road) YOU MOANING LOT ARE THE FIRST TO COMPLAIN... get off your pedestal as one day you may be the one standing there for ages trying to cross this busy road appreciate that there is a crossing for school kids and parents etc to cross ,,who cares what it cost ,,, you cannot put a price on a LIFE ,, go and find something better to moan at ,something relevant at least !!!!!!! bigboobzbeans
  • Score: -1

6:34pm Tue 11 Feb 14

moonpig says...

bigboobzbeans wrote:
moan... moan... moan....oh but when someone is killed (like they have been on that road) YOU MOANING LOT ARE THE FIRST TO COMPLAIN... get off your pedestal as one day you may be the one standing there for ages trying to cross this busy road appreciate that there is a crossing for school kids and parents etc to cross ,,who cares what it cost ,,, you cannot put a price on a LIFE ,, go and find something better to moan at ,something relevant at least !!!!!!!
I don't doubt the need for a crossing - I am querying the type of crossings that are being used. Zebra crossing have not really been used to any great extent for probably 25 years and as a result no one uses them properly (motorists or pedestrians). This, in my opinion, makes them dangerous and not applicable for a major crossing point. I don't know what the levels of pedestrians needing to cross by Sainsbury's is but if it is anything like the numbers crossing at Croft Rd or by Asda then I think they should be using automated pelican crossings.
[quote][p][bold]bigboobzbeans[/bold] wrote: moan... moan... moan....oh but when someone is killed (like they have been on that road) YOU MOANING LOT ARE THE FIRST TO COMPLAIN... get off your pedestal as one day you may be the one standing there for ages trying to cross this busy road appreciate that there is a crossing for school kids and parents etc to cross ,,who cares what it cost ,,, you cannot put a price on a LIFE ,, go and find something better to moan at ,something relevant at least !!!!!!![/p][/quote]I don't doubt the need for a crossing - I am querying the type of crossings that are being used. Zebra crossing have not really been used to any great extent for probably 25 years and as a result no one uses them properly (motorists or pedestrians). This, in my opinion, makes them dangerous and not applicable for a major crossing point. I don't know what the levels of pedestrians needing to cross by Sainsbury's is but if it is anything like the numbers crossing at Croft Rd or by Asda then I think they should be using automated pelican crossings. moonpig
  • Score: 4

7:48pm Tue 11 Feb 14

thil says...

highway code:

Zebra crossings. As you approach a zebra crossing
- look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross
- you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing
highway code: Zebra crossings. As you approach a zebra crossing - look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross - you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing thil
  • Score: 2

12:11am Wed 12 Feb 14

Jabbadad says...

Thank you thil.
Thank you thil. Jabbadad
  • Score: 1

11:14pm Thu 13 Feb 14

DarrenM says...

Accident waiting to happen - there's no way a Zebra Crossing is appropriate there, a Puffin is what's needed. Of course that will be all glossed over when the first death occurs, and it will suddenly become a "dangerous road"
Accident waiting to happen - there's no way a Zebra Crossing is appropriate there, a Puffin is what's needed. Of course that will be all glossed over when the first death occurs, and it will suddenly become a "dangerous road" DarrenM
  • Score: -1

4:04pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Worcester Lad says...

DarrenM wrote:
Accident waiting to happen - there's no way a Zebra Crossing is appropriate there, a Puffin is what's needed. Of course that will be all glossed over when the first death occurs, and it will suddenly become a "dangerous road"
There has already been a death on this dangerous road that's why a Zebra Crossing was called for
[quote][p][bold]DarrenM[/bold] wrote: Accident waiting to happen - there's no way a Zebra Crossing is appropriate there, a Puffin is what's needed. Of course that will be all glossed over when the first death occurs, and it will suddenly become a "dangerous road"[/p][/quote]There has already been a death on this dangerous road that's why a Zebra Crossing was called for Worcester Lad
  • Score: 3

4:21pm Sun 16 Feb 14

farmeralan1963 says...

DarrenM wrote:
Accident waiting to happen - there's no way a Zebra Crossing is appropriate there, a Puffin is what's needed. Of course that will be all glossed over when the first death occurs, and it will suddenly become a "dangerous road"
A puffin crossing costs around £90k - £100k. A zebra crossing is about £30k. If the directors and department heads at Worcestershire county council took only a 10% real world salary cut, a puffin crossing could easily be afforded. And not just one either.
[quote][p][bold]DarrenM[/bold] wrote: Accident waiting to happen - there's no way a Zebra Crossing is appropriate there, a Puffin is what's needed. Of course that will be all glossed over when the first death occurs, and it will suddenly become a "dangerous road"[/p][/quote]A puffin crossing costs around £90k - £100k. A zebra crossing is about £30k. If the directors and department heads at Worcestershire county council took only a 10% real world salary cut, a puffin crossing could easily be afforded. And not just one either. farmeralan1963
  • Score: 2

10:22pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Guy66 says...

thil wrote:
highway code:

Zebra crossings. As you approach a zebra crossing
- look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross
- you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing
The pedestrian should have more responsibility, here is the 'law' fro mthe Highway code to counter your one sided view!

18. At all crossings. When using any type of crossing you should always check that the traffic has stopped before you start to cross or push a pram onto a crossing always cross between the studs or over the zebra markings. Do not cross at the side of the crossing or on the zig-zag lines, as it can be dangerous.

You MUST NOT loiter on any type of crossing.
Laws ZPPPCRGD reg 19 & RTRA sect 25(5)

19. Zebra crossings. Give traffic plenty of time to see you and to stop before you start to cross. Vehicles will need more time when the road is slippery. Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing. Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing. Keep looking both ways, and listening, in case a driver or rider has not seen you and attempts to overtake a vehicle that has stopped.
[quote][p][bold]thil[/bold] wrote: highway code: Zebra crossings. As you approach a zebra crossing - look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross - you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing[/p][/quote]The pedestrian should have more responsibility, here is the 'law' fro mthe Highway code to counter your one sided view! 18. At all crossings. When using any type of crossing you should always check that the traffic has stopped before you start to cross or push a pram onto a crossing always cross between the studs or over the zebra markings. Do not cross at the side of the crossing or on the zig-zag lines, as it can be dangerous. You MUST NOT loiter on any type of crossing. Laws ZPPPCRGD reg 19 & RTRA sect 25(5) 19. Zebra crossings. Give traffic plenty of time to see you and to stop before you start to cross. Vehicles will need more time when the road is slippery. Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing. Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing. Keep looking both ways, and listening, in case a driver or rider has not seen you and attempts to overtake a vehicle that has stopped. Guy66
  • Score: 3

10:24pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Guy66 says...

https://www.gov.uk/r
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https://www.gov.uk/r ules-pedestrians-1-t o-35/crossings-18-to -30 Guy66
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