Counterfeit cigarette sellers arrested

Worcester News: HAUL: Some of the cigarettes found in the raid. Picture by @WorcesterCops HAUL: Some of the cigarettes found in the raid. Picture by @WorcesterCops

THOUSANDS of counterfeit and non-duty-paid cigarettes were recovered after three Worcester stores were raided.

Three people were arrested following the joint initiative between Worcestershire Regulatory Services and Worcester Safer Neighbourhood Teams on Tuesday, February 25.

West Mercia Police and Trading Standards Officers swooped on the premises with a sniffer dog after receiving information that a number of stores were selling suspected counterfeit and non-duty paid cigarettes.

PC Alex Denny, from Worcester Cathedral's Safer Neighbourhood Team, said the sale of counterfeit cigarettes was a risk to the health of the public and to unsuspecting traders.

He said: "The sale of counterfeit cigarettes poses a risk to the health of people who consume these and this is a clear concern to all agencies involved.

"Furthermore the sale of cigarettes which have circumvented the customs procedure puts other law abiding local traders at an unfair risk of loss.

"We will continue to disrupt these illegal trading practices where there is a risk to the public and local community."

Worcestershire Regulatory Service joint committee chairman councillor Lucy Hodgson said: "By acting on this intelligence we are potentially saving people's lives.

"Hopefully this will remind people who engage in such activities that both Worcestershire Regulatory Services and West Mercia Police are working together on this issue for the benefit of our communities."

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5:22pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Hwicce says...

And the stores were....?

Only half a story again from the Worcester News. I suppose they'll get a decent reporter eventually. (I won't hold my breath though)
And the stores were....? Only half a story again from the Worcester News. I suppose they'll get a decent reporter eventually. (I won't hold my breath though) Hwicce
  • Score: 44

10:30pm Tue 25 Feb 14

voledog says...

"The sale of counterfeit cigarettes poses a risk to the health of people who consume these and this is a clear concern to all agencies involved."

Let's hope that the more health conscious smoker will continue to stick to legitimate packs of fags then.
"The sale of counterfeit cigarettes poses a risk to the health of people who consume these and this is a clear concern to all agencies involved." Let's hope that the more health conscious smoker will continue to stick to legitimate packs of fags then. voledog
  • Score: 29

9:07am Wed 26 Feb 14

dangerdave says...

I think they were referring to the counterfeit cigarettes that are even more toxic than genuine cigarettes. Nice to see some photos.
I think they were referring to the counterfeit cigarettes that are even more toxic than genuine cigarettes. Nice to see some photos. dangerdave
  • Score: 0

9:27am Wed 26 Feb 14

ideas4all says...

Nothing to do with health concerns its all about duty not being paid at extortanate rates another words money the sole concern of these agencies .these same cigarettes have come from other European countries which have good regulations .I myself have smoked them over the years and they r very good quality and have saved myself over £150 a month .they have to realise ppl cannot afford to pay upto £9 a pack .what's the whole point in being in Europe wheres the free trade now
Nothing to do with health concerns its all about duty not being paid at extortanate rates another words money the sole concern of these agencies .these same cigarettes have come from other European countries which have good regulations .I myself have smoked them over the years and they r very good quality and have saved myself over £150 a month .they have to realise ppl cannot afford to pay upto £9 a pack .what's the whole point in being in Europe wheres the free trade now ideas4all
  • Score: 3

10:27am Wed 26 Feb 14

dangerdave says...

That's naive, these cigarettes are brought into the country and controlled by organised crime. I'm glad it's being dealt with. I personally find not smoking cigarettes an even cheaper alternative to illegal cigarettes that are funding the lifestyles of tax dodgers and criminals while the majority of us pay our dues. With the amount of money and pressure smokers put on the NHS it's right they tax the he'll out if it.
That's naive, these cigarettes are brought into the country and controlled by organised crime. I'm glad it's being dealt with. I personally find not smoking cigarettes an even cheaper alternative to illegal cigarettes that are funding the lifestyles of tax dodgers and criminals while the majority of us pay our dues. With the amount of money and pressure smokers put on the NHS it's right they tax the he'll out if it. dangerdave
  • Score: 21

10:29am Wed 26 Feb 14

Guy66 says...

ideas4all wrote:
Nothing to do with health concerns its all about duty not being paid at extortanate rates another words money the sole concern of these agencies .these same cigarettes have come from other European countries which have good regulations .I myself have smoked them over the years and they r very good quality and have saved myself over £150 a month .they have to realise ppl cannot afford to pay upto £9 a pack .what's the whole point in being in Europe wheres the free trade now
A quick call to HMRC :) £150 a month for, lets say, the last seven years = £12,600 owing in duty payments not including the original import duty. Multiply by the number of people doing this (estimate 500,000 on the low side) = £6.3BN in lost revenue. Enough to keep some of the support services operational and stop the cuts in welfare...
[quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: Nothing to do with health concerns its all about duty not being paid at extortanate rates another words money the sole concern of these agencies .these same cigarettes have come from other European countries which have good regulations .I myself have smoked them over the years and they r very good quality and have saved myself over £150 a month .they have to realise ppl cannot afford to pay upto £9 a pack .what's the whole point in being in Europe wheres the free trade now[/p][/quote]A quick call to HMRC :) £150 a month for, lets say, the last seven years = £12,600 owing in duty payments not including the original import duty. Multiply by the number of people doing this (estimate 500,000 on the low side) = £6.3BN in lost revenue. Enough to keep some of the support services operational and stop the cuts in welfare... Guy66
  • Score: 29

10:43am Wed 26 Feb 14

green49 says...

Hwicce says...

And the stores were....?

Yes name and shame so if they try to sell again people will know to avoid them.
These type of shops should be closed down and the owners locked away.
Hwicce says... And the stores were....? Yes name and shame so if they try to sell again people will know to avoid them. These type of shops should be closed down and the owners locked away. green49
  • Score: 35

10:57am Wed 26 Feb 14

welshpricey says...

Guy66 wrote:
ideas4all wrote:
Nothing to do with health concerns its all about duty not being paid at extortanate rates another words money the sole concern of these agencies .these same cigarettes have come from other European countries which have good regulations .I myself have smoked them over the years and they r very good quality and have saved myself over £150 a month .they have to realise ppl cannot afford to pay upto £9 a pack .what's the whole point in being in Europe wheres the free trade now
A quick call to HMRC :) £150 a month for, lets say, the last seven years = £12,600 owing in duty payments not including the original import duty. Multiply by the number of people doing this (estimate 500,000 on the low side) = £6.3BN in lost revenue. Enough to keep some of the support services operational and stop the cuts in welfare...
Or just quit smoking!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: Nothing to do with health concerns its all about duty not being paid at extortanate rates another words money the sole concern of these agencies .these same cigarettes have come from other European countries which have good regulations .I myself have smoked them over the years and they r very good quality and have saved myself over £150 a month .they have to realise ppl cannot afford to pay upto £9 a pack .what's the whole point in being in Europe wheres the free trade now[/p][/quote]A quick call to HMRC :) £150 a month for, lets say, the last seven years = £12,600 owing in duty payments not including the original import duty. Multiply by the number of people doing this (estimate 500,000 on the low side) = £6.3BN in lost revenue. Enough to keep some of the support services operational and stop the cuts in welfare...[/p][/quote]Or just quit smoking!!!!!!! welshpricey
  • Score: 12

11:34am Wed 26 Feb 14

Ronnie6704 says...

ideas4all wrote:
Nothing to do with health concerns its all about duty not being paid at extortanate rates another words money the sole concern of these agencies .these same cigarettes have come from other European countries which have good regulations .I myself have smoked them over the years and they r very good quality and have saved myself over £150 a month .they have to realise ppl cannot afford to pay upto £9 a pack .what's the whole point in being in Europe wheres the free trade now
These counterfeit cigarettes as previously said fund not only organised crime but terrorism as well. Well done for supporting that aren't you the hero.
[quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: Nothing to do with health concerns its all about duty not being paid at extortanate rates another words money the sole concern of these agencies .these same cigarettes have come from other European countries which have good regulations .I myself have smoked them over the years and they r very good quality and have saved myself over £150 a month .they have to realise ppl cannot afford to pay upto £9 a pack .what's the whole point in being in Europe wheres the free trade now[/p][/quote]These counterfeit cigarettes as previously said fund not only organised crime but terrorism as well. Well done for supporting that aren't you the hero. Ronnie6704
  • Score: 19

12:23pm Wed 26 Feb 14

dangerdave says...

The shops were a fire hazard too!!! Close em down!
The shops were a fire hazard too!!! Close em down! dangerdave
  • Score: 10

12:32pm Wed 26 Feb 14

liketoknow says...

ideas4all wrote:
Nothing to do with health concerns its all about duty not being paid at extortanate rates another words money the sole concern of these agencies .these same cigarettes have come from other European countries which have good regulations .I myself have smoked them over the years and they r very good quality and have saved myself over £150 a month .they have to realise ppl cannot afford to pay upto £9 a pack .what's the whole point in being in Europe wheres the free trade now
if they can't afford em give em up
[quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: Nothing to do with health concerns its all about duty not being paid at extortanate rates another words money the sole concern of these agencies .these same cigarettes have come from other European countries which have good regulations .I myself have smoked them over the years and they r very good quality and have saved myself over £150 a month .they have to realise ppl cannot afford to pay upto £9 a pack .what's the whole point in being in Europe wheres the free trade now[/p][/quote]if they can't afford em give em up liketoknow
  • Score: 11

12:40pm Wed 26 Feb 14

dangerdave says...

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http://www.worcester news.co.uk/news/1103 6906.Advice_given_to ___39_fire_risk__39_ _properties_in_Lowes moor/?ref=twt dangerdave
  • Score: 0

12:50pm Wed 26 Feb 14

joe pike says...

Fully agree with HWICCE and GREEN49

Come on WN get back onto HMRC press office and get us the details of the premises involved!
We could all then stop speculating about exactly which grubby little bazaars were involved and exercise our freedom of choice to deny them further custom,- its the only way theyll ever get the message when court fines are just an affordable occupational hazard compared to the potential profits.
No customers= no more scams or scammers
Fully agree with HWICCE and GREEN49 Come on WN get back onto HMRC press office and get us the details of the premises involved! We could all then stop speculating about exactly which grubby little bazaars were involved and exercise our freedom of choice to deny them further custom,- its the only way theyll ever get the message when court fines are just an affordable occupational hazard compared to the potential profits. No customers= no more scams or scammers joe pike
  • Score: 21

2:40pm Wed 26 Feb 14

MJI says...

Worried about health - pull the other one.

If they were worried about health why do they sell any of the duty paid ones?

It is all about duty.
Worried about health - pull the other one. If they were worried about health why do they sell any of the duty paid ones? It is all about duty. MJI
  • Score: 7

2:47pm Wed 26 Feb 14

dangerdave says...

Nonsense! More anti -authoritarian claptrap! The Police and trading standards don't sell cigarettes by the way, and I bet if the government banned and stopped business selling cigarettes you would be shouting from the rooftops about the evil authorities taking away the peoples choice to smoke and pay duty on cigarettes!
Nonsense! More anti -authoritarian claptrap! The Police and trading standards don't sell cigarettes by the way, and I bet if the government banned and stopped business selling cigarettes you would be shouting from the rooftops about the evil authorities taking away the peoples choice to smoke and pay duty on cigarettes! dangerdave
  • Score: 7

3:42pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Gillian1961 says...

Its happening in Hereford all the time but are shops are named and shamed , and guess what its the European shops that are taking over our town, after they have been done it go's quite then it starts up again, I know people personally that buy from there most of the time, I wondered why they cough all the time its the crap that's inside these dodgy cigs fags these shop keepers are minted iv seen them in the banks one wanted to draw £7,000 out in one go and the woman behind the desk asked if he had given them 24 hours notice he said know but they still gave him the money,
Its happening in Hereford all the time but are shops are named and shamed , and guess what its the European shops that are taking over our town, after they have been done it go's quite then it starts up again, I know people personally that buy from there most of the time, I wondered why they cough all the time its the crap that's inside these dodgy cigs fags these shop keepers are minted iv seen them in the banks one wanted to draw £7,000 out in one go and the woman behind the desk asked if he had given them 24 hours notice he said know but they still gave him the money, Gillian1961
  • Score: 8

4:04pm Wed 26 Feb 14

joe pike says...

Just google:-

counterfeit cigarettes shopkeeper fined

Flick through page after page of results, from right across the UK, check the circumstances, location, and names. It makes depressingly familiar reading.
Just google:- counterfeit cigarettes shopkeeper fined Flick through page after page of results, from right across the UK, check the circumstances, location, and names. It makes depressingly familiar reading. joe pike
  • Score: 7

4:13pm Wed 26 Feb 14

dangerdave says...

Linked story about the fire service states the shops were in Lowesmoor so we can all figure out which shops were involved easily enough. Lowesmoor needs a boost and closing down shops like this and not filling St Martins quarter with shops like B & M, Ladbroke and the 99p shop would be a bloody good start!
Linked story about the fire service states the shops were in Lowesmoor so we can all figure out which shops were involved easily enough. Lowesmoor needs a boost and closing down shops like this and not filling St Martins quarter with shops like B & M, Ladbroke and the 99p shop would be a bloody good start! dangerdave
  • Score: 5

4:24pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Sleepless in Droitwich says...

I can't for the life of me think why anyone wants to fill their lungs with smoke anyway. People who smoke are all idiots. It's a disgusting habit and the second hand smoke is inflicted on innocent bystanders who want clean and healthy lungs. The sooner it's banned, the better.
I can't for the life of me think why anyone wants to fill their lungs with smoke anyway. People who smoke are all idiots. It's a disgusting habit and the second hand smoke is inflicted on innocent bystanders who want clean and healthy lungs. The sooner it's banned, the better. Sleepless in Droitwich
  • Score: -4

4:33pm Wed 26 Feb 14

joe pike says...

Sleepless in Droitwich wrote:
I can't for the life of me think why anyone wants to fill their lungs with smoke anyway. People who smoke are all idiots. It's a disgusting habit and the second hand smoke is inflicted on innocent bystanders who want clean and healthy lungs. The sooner it's banned, the better.
Thats sorted that out then !

Any relation to General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett by any chance?
[quote][p][bold]Sleepless in Droitwich[/bold] wrote: I can't for the life of me think why anyone wants to fill their lungs with smoke anyway. People who smoke are all idiots. It's a disgusting habit and the second hand smoke is inflicted on innocent bystanders who want clean and healthy lungs. The sooner it's banned, the better.[/p][/quote]Thats sorted that out then ! Any relation to General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett by any chance? joe pike
  • Score: -3

4:40pm Wed 26 Feb 14

ideas4all says...

Ppl have a right to smoke y should we stop when 90 % of retail price is duty whats the point in naming and shaming the shops most ppl who go to shops don't care they want to save money u for to understand a lot of these ppl don't drink don't have too holidays a year and have accountants save them paying right amount of tax they don't have w gin and tonic at the end of the night end of the night they like to light up the question was whilst being in Europe we should b able to buy from within anywhere and please dont believe that rubbish about smugglers funding other activities most times its old ladies bringing a few sleeves in their suitcases
Ppl have a right to smoke y should we stop when 90 % of retail price is duty whats the point in naming and shaming the shops most ppl who go to shops don't care they want to save money u for to understand a lot of these ppl don't drink don't have too holidays a year and have accountants save them paying right amount of tax they don't have w gin and tonic at the end of the night end of the night they like to light up the question was whilst being in Europe we should b able to buy from within anywhere and please dont believe that rubbish about smugglers funding other activities most times its old ladies bringing a few sleeves in their suitcases ideas4all
  • Score: -22

4:43pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Sleepless in Droitwich says...

ideas4all wrote:
Ppl have a right to smoke y should we stop when 90 % of retail price is duty whats the point in naming and shaming the shops most ppl who go to shops don't care they want to save money u for to understand a lot of these ppl don't drink don't have too holidays a year and have accountants save them paying right amount of tax they don't have w gin and tonic at the end of the night end of the night they like to light up the question was whilst being in Europe we should b able to buy from within anywhere and please dont believe that rubbish about smugglers funding other activities most times its old ladies bringing a few sleeves in their suitcases
Try again. But this time, in English.
[quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: Ppl have a right to smoke y should we stop when 90 % of retail price is duty whats the point in naming and shaming the shops most ppl who go to shops don't care they want to save money u for to understand a lot of these ppl don't drink don't have too holidays a year and have accountants save them paying right amount of tax they don't have w gin and tonic at the end of the night end of the night they like to light up the question was whilst being in Europe we should b able to buy from within anywhere and please dont believe that rubbish about smugglers funding other activities most times its old ladies bringing a few sleeves in their suitcases[/p][/quote]Try again. But this time, in English. Sleepless in Droitwich
  • Score: 24

4:49pm Wed 26 Feb 14

joe pike says...

ideas4all wrote:
Ppl have a right to smoke y should we stop when 90 % of retail price is duty whats the point in naming and shaming the shops most ppl who go to shops don't care they want to save money u for to understand a lot of these ppl don't drink don't have too holidays a year and have accountants save them paying right amount of tax they don't have w gin and tonic at the end of the night end of the night they like to light up the question was whilst being in Europe we should b able to buy from within anywhere and please dont believe that rubbish about smugglers funding other activities most times its old ladies bringing a few sleeves in their suitcases
Sounds suspiciously like the opinions of an arrested shopkeeper.
[quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: Ppl have a right to smoke y should we stop when 90 % of retail price is duty whats the point in naming and shaming the shops most ppl who go to shops don't care they want to save money u for to understand a lot of these ppl don't drink don't have too holidays a year and have accountants save them paying right amount of tax they don't have w gin and tonic at the end of the night end of the night they like to light up the question was whilst being in Europe we should b able to buy from within anywhere and please dont believe that rubbish about smugglers funding other activities most times its old ladies bringing a few sleeves in their suitcases[/p][/quote]Sounds suspiciously like the opinions of an arrested shopkeeper. joe pike
  • Score: 12

6:01pm Wed 26 Feb 14

ideas4all says...

Having betting shops popping up everywhere is much worse to the health of the vulnerable members of public rather than few shops selling duty free cigs and sleepless in droitwich its all in English just can't b bothered with the full stops .
Having betting shops popping up everywhere is much worse to the health of the vulnerable members of public rather than few shops selling duty free cigs and sleepless in droitwich its all in English just can't b bothered with the full stops . ideas4all
  • Score: -14

6:41pm Wed 26 Feb 14

dangerdave says...

Ideas4all. Really You just type nonsense. How can you say all people who smoke illegal cigarettes have no other vices. What absolute crap! Honestly.
Ideas4all. Really You just type nonsense. How can you say all people who smoke illegal cigarettes have no other vices. What absolute crap! Honestly. dangerdave
  • Score: 14

6:58pm Wed 26 Feb 14

ideas4all says...

dangerdave wrote:
Ideas4all. Really You just type nonsense. How can you say all people who smoke illegal cigarettes have no other vices. What absolute crap! Honestly.
Didn't say that I said there is too much duty on cigs compared to other vices ppl enjoy .cigs is only vice for me don't drink no drugs no holidays no fancy cars just simple life work football and like to relax with a ciggy and ppl like me should not b priced out of this one luxury we have .by the way they r not illegal cigs they r duty free the same ones ppl bring over from holiday
[quote][p][bold]dangerdave[/bold] wrote: Ideas4all. Really You just type nonsense. How can you say all people who smoke illegal cigarettes have no other vices. What absolute crap! Honestly.[/p][/quote]Didn't say that I said there is too much duty on cigs compared to other vices ppl enjoy .cigs is only vice for me don't drink no drugs no holidays no fancy cars just simple life work football and like to relax with a ciggy and ppl like me should not b priced out of this one luxury we have .by the way they r not illegal cigs they r duty free the same ones ppl bring over from holiday ideas4all
  • Score: -16

7:26pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Small Town says...

dangerdave wrote:
Linked story about the fire service states the shops were in Lowesmoor so we can all figure out which shops were involved easily enough. Lowesmoor needs a boost and closing down shops like this and not filling St Martins quarter with shops like B & M, Ladbroke and the 99p shop would be a bloody good start!
Nice bit of detective work there dangerdave, good work on tracking down the street on which the newsagents/minimarts are perhaps situated.

Gosh, wait... There's 3 or 4 newsagents/convenien
ce stores on that street alone. Now would you be insinuating that it's the English owned businesses by any chance? Where's your evidence, or is it just a simple racial slur, by a simple local?


On to a different subject, does anyone know the opening times of the One Stop Newsagents in Lowesmoor?
[quote][p][bold]dangerdave[/bold] wrote: Linked story about the fire service states the shops were in Lowesmoor so we can all figure out which shops were involved easily enough. Lowesmoor needs a boost and closing down shops like this and not filling St Martins quarter with shops like B & M, Ladbroke and the 99p shop would be a bloody good start![/p][/quote]Nice bit of detective work there dangerdave, good work on tracking down the street on which the newsagents/minimarts are perhaps situated. Gosh, wait... There's 3 or 4 newsagents/convenien ce stores on that street alone. Now would you be insinuating that it's the English owned businesses by any chance? Where's your evidence, or is it just a simple racial slur, by a simple local? On to a different subject, does anyone know the opening times of the One Stop Newsagents in Lowesmoor? Small Town
  • Score: -9

8:05pm Wed 26 Feb 14

dangerdave says...

?? Eh? I just pointed out the linked news story! This article says 3 shops and there aren't many more than that in the street that would sell cigarettes really.

Some people really do conjure up something out of nothing in their heads.
?? Eh? I just pointed out the linked news story! This article says 3 shops and there aren't many more than that in the street that would sell cigarettes really. Some people really do conjure up something out of nothing in their heads. dangerdave
  • Score: 5

8:10pm Wed 26 Feb 14

dangerdave says...

It's hardly going to be the charity shops flogging the dodgy cigs is it
It's hardly going to be the charity shops flogging the dodgy cigs is it dangerdave
  • Score: 6

9:33pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Ronnie6704 says...

ideas4all wrote:
Ppl have a right to smoke y should we stop when 90 % of retail price is duty whats the point in naming and shaming the shops most ppl who go to shops don't care they want to save money u for to understand a lot of these ppl don't drink don't have too holidays a year and have accountants save them paying right amount of tax they don't have w gin and tonic at the end of the night end of the night they like to light up the question was whilst being in Europe we should b able to buy from within anywhere and please dont believe that rubbish about smugglers funding other activities most times its old ladies bringing a few sleeves in their suitcases
You really live on another planet don't you! Millions of counterfeit cigarettes get made and brought into the country on a daily basis by organisations such as the IRA to fund their campaigns! It happens and you are stupid and extremely naive to think otherwise as a simple google search will give you proof of such! Or let me guess another government conspiracy?
[quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: Ppl have a right to smoke y should we stop when 90 % of retail price is duty whats the point in naming and shaming the shops most ppl who go to shops don't care they want to save money u for to understand a lot of these ppl don't drink don't have too holidays a year and have accountants save them paying right amount of tax they don't have w gin and tonic at the end of the night end of the night they like to light up the question was whilst being in Europe we should b able to buy from within anywhere and please dont believe that rubbish about smugglers funding other activities most times its old ladies bringing a few sleeves in their suitcases[/p][/quote]You really live on another planet don't you! Millions of counterfeit cigarettes get made and brought into the country on a daily basis by organisations such as the IRA to fund their campaigns! It happens and you are stupid and extremely naive to think otherwise as a simple google search will give you proof of such! Or let me guess another government conspiracy? Ronnie6704
  • Score: 9

9:51pm Wed 26 Feb 14

lovelyjubbly says...

dangerdave wrote:
That's naive, these cigarettes are brought into the country and controlled by organised crime. I'm glad it's being dealt with. I personally find not smoking cigarettes an even cheaper alternative to illegal cigarettes that are funding the lifestyles of tax dodgers and criminals while the majority of us pay our dues. With the amount of money and pressure smokers put on the NHS it's right they tax the he'll out if it.
Hope you put obesity in the same parcel. Read statistics, it costs NHS more than smoking. I dont smoke but equally I dont judge!
[quote][p][bold]dangerdave[/bold] wrote: That's naive, these cigarettes are brought into the country and controlled by organised crime. I'm glad it's being dealt with. I personally find not smoking cigarettes an even cheaper alternative to illegal cigarettes that are funding the lifestyles of tax dodgers and criminals while the majority of us pay our dues. With the amount of money and pressure smokers put on the NHS it's right they tax the he'll out if it.[/p][/quote]Hope you put obesity in the same parcel. Read statistics, it costs NHS more than smoking. I dont smoke but equally I dont judge! lovelyjubbly
  • Score: 0

10:27pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Ronnie6704 says...

ideas4all wrote:
dangerdave wrote:
Ideas4all. Really You just type nonsense. How can you say all people who smoke illegal cigarettes have no other vices. What absolute crap! Honestly.
Didn't say that I said there is too much duty on cigs compared to other vices ppl enjoy .cigs is only vice for me don't drink no drugs no holidays no fancy cars just simple life work football and like to relax with a ciggy and ppl like me should not b priced out of this one luxury we have .by the way they r not illegal cigs they r duty free the same ones ppl bring over from holiday
You clearly didn't read the opening lines of the article........ COUNTERFEIT and non duty paid. Your argument that they're only ones people bring back from holiday has no substance whatsoever to it. Maybe do a little research before or become a politician!
[quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerdave[/bold] wrote: Ideas4all. Really You just type nonsense. How can you say all people who smoke illegal cigarettes have no other vices. What absolute crap! Honestly.[/p][/quote]Didn't say that I said there is too much duty on cigs compared to other vices ppl enjoy .cigs is only vice for me don't drink no drugs no holidays no fancy cars just simple life work football and like to relax with a ciggy and ppl like me should not b priced out of this one luxury we have .by the way they r not illegal cigs they r duty free the same ones ppl bring over from holiday[/p][/quote]You clearly didn't read the opening lines of the article........ COUNTERFEIT and non duty paid. Your argument that they're only ones people bring back from holiday has no substance whatsoever to it. Maybe do a little research before or become a politician! Ronnie6704
  • Score: 9

11:45pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Sleepless in Droitwich says...

ideas4all wrote:
Having betting shops popping up everywhere is much worse to the health of the vulnerable members of public rather than few shops selling duty free cigs and sleepless in droitwich its all in English just can't b bothered with the full stops .
Or the commas and proper spelling of words. Just lazy text speak.
[quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: Having betting shops popping up everywhere is much worse to the health of the vulnerable members of public rather than few shops selling duty free cigs and sleepless in droitwich its all in English just can't b bothered with the full stops .[/p][/quote]Or the commas and proper spelling of words. Just lazy text speak. Sleepless in Droitwich
  • Score: 7

12:46am Thu 27 Feb 14

ideas4all says...

Ronnie6704 wrote:
ideas4all wrote:
dangerdave wrote:
Ideas4all. Really You just type nonsense. How can you say all people who smoke illegal cigarettes have no other vices. What absolute crap! Honestly.
Didn't say that I said there is too much duty on cigs compared to other vices ppl enjoy .cigs is only vice for me don't drink no drugs no holidays no fancy cars just simple life work football and like to relax with a ciggy and ppl like me should not b priced out of this one luxury we have .by the way they r not illegal cigs they r duty free the same ones ppl bring over from holiday
You clearly didn't read the opening lines of the article........ COUNTERFEIT and non duty paid. Your argument that they're only ones people bring back from holiday has no substance whatsoever to it. Maybe do a little research before or become a politician!
Ur missing the point y should we have to pay such high duty compared to rest of Europe their hospitals have to treat smokers as well plus like someone else mentioned obesity takes up more of the NHS budget so should ppl like u have to pay more for junk food much higher duty for fuel as well (even though we have north sea oil ) its better to speak up for what u think is right next ull b saying some of the money generated goes towards illegal wars
[quote][p][bold]Ronnie6704[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerdave[/bold] wrote: Ideas4all. Really You just type nonsense. How can you say all people who smoke illegal cigarettes have no other vices. What absolute crap! Honestly.[/p][/quote]Didn't say that I said there is too much duty on cigs compared to other vices ppl enjoy .cigs is only vice for me don't drink no drugs no holidays no fancy cars just simple life work football and like to relax with a ciggy and ppl like me should not b priced out of this one luxury we have .by the way they r not illegal cigs they r duty free the same ones ppl bring over from holiday[/p][/quote]You clearly didn't read the opening lines of the article........ COUNTERFEIT and non duty paid. Your argument that they're only ones people bring back from holiday has no substance whatsoever to it. Maybe do a little research before or become a politician![/p][/quote]Ur missing the point y should we have to pay such high duty compared to rest of Europe their hospitals have to treat smokers as well plus like someone else mentioned obesity takes up more of the NHS budget so should ppl like u have to pay more for junk food much higher duty for fuel as well (even though we have north sea oil ) its better to speak up for what u think is right next ull b saying some of the money generated goes towards illegal wars ideas4all
  • Score: -16

6:07am Thu 27 Feb 14

Ronnie6704 says...

ideas4all wrote:
Ronnie6704 wrote:
ideas4all wrote:
dangerdave wrote:
Ideas4all. Really You just type nonsense. How can you say all people who smoke illegal cigarettes have no other vices. What absolute crap! Honestly.
Didn't say that I said there is too much duty on cigs compared to other vices ppl enjoy .cigs is only vice for me don't drink no drugs no holidays no fancy cars just simple life work football and like to relax with a ciggy and ppl like me should not b priced out of this one luxury we have .by the way they r not illegal cigs they r duty free the same ones ppl bring over from holiday
You clearly didn't read the opening lines of the article........ COUNTERFEIT and non duty paid. Your argument that they're only ones people bring back from holiday has no substance whatsoever to it. Maybe do a little research before or become a politician!
Ur missing the point y should we have to pay such high duty compared to rest of Europe their hospitals have to treat smokers as well plus like someone else mentioned obesity takes up more of the NHS budget so should ppl like u have to pay more for junk food much higher duty for fuel as well (even though we have north sea oil ) its better to speak up for what u think is right next ull b saying some of the money generated goes towards illegal wars
I think you still don't get it do you? The NHS is effectively a free service in Europe where you say cigarettes are cheaper healthcare is private, you have to pay monthly for insurance to cover you there is no similar to the NHS. I really suggest you do some research before adopting such a narrow mind.
[quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie6704[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerdave[/bold] wrote: Ideas4all. Really You just type nonsense. How can you say all people who smoke illegal cigarettes have no other vices. What absolute crap! Honestly.[/p][/quote]Didn't say that I said there is too much duty on cigs compared to other vices ppl enjoy .cigs is only vice for me don't drink no drugs no holidays no fancy cars just simple life work football and like to relax with a ciggy and ppl like me should not b priced out of this one luxury we have .by the way they r not illegal cigs they r duty free the same ones ppl bring over from holiday[/p][/quote]You clearly didn't read the opening lines of the article........ COUNTERFEIT and non duty paid. Your argument that they're only ones people bring back from holiday has no substance whatsoever to it. Maybe do a little research before or become a politician![/p][/quote]Ur missing the point y should we have to pay such high duty compared to rest of Europe their hospitals have to treat smokers as well plus like someone else mentioned obesity takes up more of the NHS budget so should ppl like u have to pay more for junk food much higher duty for fuel as well (even though we have north sea oil ) its better to speak up for what u think is right next ull b saying some of the money generated goes towards illegal wars[/p][/quote]I think you still don't get it do you? The NHS is effectively a free service in Europe where you say cigarettes are cheaper healthcare is private, you have to pay monthly for insurance to cover you there is no similar to the NHS. I really suggest you do some research before adopting such a narrow mind. Ronnie6704
  • Score: 8

7:14am Thu 27 Feb 14

green49 says...

Its a fact smoking cigarettes can kill you and thats the legal ones,
These found WILL KILL you, as they are fake and full of who knows what?
NAME and SHAME the shops?
Its a fact smoking cigarettes can kill you and thats the legal ones, These found WILL KILL you, as they are fake and full of who knows what? NAME and SHAME the shops? green49
  • Score: 8

9:46am Thu 27 Feb 14

Guy66 says...

Buying illegally imported cigarettes is stealing. You are taking money from the exchequer. Just imagine if no illegal cigarettes where available and everyone paid for "duty paid" packets, imagine the extra revenue to the government. Revenue that could, 1/ TAKE AWAY THE NEED FOR WELFARE CUTS - STOP THE (so called) BEDROOM TAX ,2/ reduce the cost of a pack, 3/ bolster the NHS funding, 4/reduce job cuts in the public sector, 5/ stop some non essential local services being axed. YOU ARE IN EFFECT STEALING FROM YOUR NEIGHBOUR, YOUR FRIENDS, THE POOR AND NEEDY.
Buying illegally imported cigarettes is stealing. You are taking money from the exchequer. Just imagine if no illegal cigarettes where available and everyone paid for "duty paid" packets, imagine the extra revenue to the government. Revenue that could, 1/ TAKE AWAY THE NEED FOR WELFARE CUTS - STOP THE (so called) BEDROOM TAX ,2/ reduce the cost of a pack, 3/ bolster the NHS funding, 4/reduce job cuts in the public sector, 5/ stop some non essential local services being axed. YOU ARE IN EFFECT STEALING FROM YOUR NEIGHBOUR, YOUR FRIENDS, THE POOR AND NEEDY. Guy66
  • Score: 2

11:02am Thu 27 Feb 14

joe pike says...

I`d be very interested to hear why Worcester News has studiously avoided naming the premises involved.
How difficult would it have been to have asked for this very basic info from PC Alex Denny, or a Trading Standards rep?
Is this just a case of poor reportage as per hwicce `s comment?
Or Is there an elephant in the room?
I`d be very interested to hear why Worcester News has studiously avoided naming the premises involved. How difficult would it have been to have asked for this very basic info from PC Alex Denny, or a Trading Standards rep? Is this just a case of poor reportage as per hwicce `s comment? Or Is there an elephant in the room? joe pike
  • Score: 3

11:19am Thu 27 Feb 14

liketoknow says...

joe pike wrote:
I`d be very interested to hear why Worcester News has studiously avoided naming the premises involved.
How difficult would it have been to have asked for this very basic info from PC Alex Denny, or a Trading Standards rep?
Is this just a case of poor reportage as per hwicce `s comment?
Or Is there an elephant in the room?
no, a lawyer!
[quote][p][bold]joe pike[/bold] wrote: I`d be very interested to hear why Worcester News has studiously avoided naming the premises involved. How difficult would it have been to have asked for this very basic info from PC Alex Denny, or a Trading Standards rep? Is this just a case of poor reportage as per hwicce `s comment? Or Is there an elephant in the room?[/p][/quote]no, a lawyer! liketoknow
  • Score: 2

11:36am Thu 27 Feb 14

joe pike says...

liketoknow wrote:
joe pike wrote:
I`d be very interested to hear why Worcester News has studiously avoided naming the premises involved.
How difficult would it have been to have asked for this very basic info from PC Alex Denny, or a Trading Standards rep?
Is this just a case of poor reportage as per hwicce `s comment?
Or Is there an elephant in the room?
no, a lawyer!
The total lack of details would be understandable IF there had been legal reasons or objections to identification. If that were the case, those reasons could have been referred to in the report .

If its OK to publish the name and address of a suspect accused of Kidnap who has not yet appeared in court, why keep the identity of three shops secret?

Hwicce quite rightly calls this report "Half a story" so i`m challenging you WN , to explain why it is.
[quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joe pike[/bold] wrote: I`d be very interested to hear why Worcester News has studiously avoided naming the premises involved. How difficult would it have been to have asked for this very basic info from PC Alex Denny, or a Trading Standards rep? Is this just a case of poor reportage as per hwicce `s comment? Or Is there an elephant in the room?[/p][/quote]no, a lawyer![/p][/quote]The total lack of details would be understandable IF there had been legal reasons or objections to identification. If that were the case, those reasons could have been referred to in the report . If its OK to publish the name and address of a suspect accused of Kidnap who has not yet appeared in court, why keep the identity of three shops secret? Hwicce quite rightly calls this report "Half a story" so i`m challenging you WN , to explain why it is. joe pike
  • Score: 4

12:05pm Thu 27 Feb 14

liketoknow says...

joe pike wrote:
liketoknow wrote:
joe pike wrote:
I`d be very interested to hear why Worcester News has studiously avoided naming the premises involved.
How difficult would it have been to have asked for this very basic info from PC Alex Denny, or a Trading Standards rep?
Is this just a case of poor reportage as per hwicce `s comment?
Or Is there an elephant in the room?
no, a lawyer!
The total lack of details would be understandable IF there had been legal reasons or objections to identification. If that were the case, those reasons could have been referred to in the report .

If its OK to publish the name and address of a suspect accused of Kidnap who has not yet appeared in court, why keep the identity of three shops secret?

Hwicce quite rightly calls this report "Half a story" so i`m challenging you WN , to explain why it is.
nowhere did it mention that they had been charged with any offence.
[quote][p][bold]joe pike[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joe pike[/bold] wrote: I`d be very interested to hear why Worcester News has studiously avoided naming the premises involved. How difficult would it have been to have asked for this very basic info from PC Alex Denny, or a Trading Standards rep? Is this just a case of poor reportage as per hwicce `s comment? Or Is there an elephant in the room?[/p][/quote]no, a lawyer![/p][/quote]The total lack of details would be understandable IF there had been legal reasons or objections to identification. If that were the case, those reasons could have been referred to in the report . If its OK to publish the name and address of a suspect accused of Kidnap who has not yet appeared in court, why keep the identity of three shops secret? Hwicce quite rightly calls this report "Half a story" so i`m challenging you WN , to explain why it is.[/p][/quote]nowhere did it mention that they had been charged with any offence. liketoknow
  • Score: -3

12:55pm Thu 27 Feb 14

joe pike says...

Dear liketoknow,

Intelligence led raids (x3) under power of search warrants (x3)
Items were able to be formally seized and were confirmed and referred to openly by police as counterfeit and duty unpaid. Police and Trading Standards have cooperated (and presumably encouraged) reporting of these arrests.

If, by your apparent support, you are representing the people arrested,
Good luck with that
Dear liketoknow, Intelligence led raids (x3) under power of search warrants (x3) Items were able to be formally seized and were confirmed and referred to openly by police as counterfeit and duty unpaid. Police and Trading Standards have cooperated (and presumably encouraged) reporting of these arrests. If, by your apparent support, you are representing the people arrested, Good luck with that joe pike
  • Score: 3

3:14pm Thu 27 Feb 14

liketoknow says...

joe pike wrote:
Dear liketoknow,

Intelligence led raids (x3) under power of search warrants (x3)
Items were able to be formally seized and were confirmed and referred to openly by police as counterfeit and duty unpaid. Police and Trading Standards have cooperated (and presumably encouraged) reporting of these arrests.

If, by your apparent support, you are representing the people arrested,
Good luck with that
no I'm not. just pointing out the fact that until they are charged they are entitled to the same treatment as any law abiding citizen , or do you think that anyone who is arrested should have their chance of justice seriously compromised by unsubstantiated press reports. no doubt their lawyer would plead the same thing.
[quote][p][bold]joe pike[/bold] wrote: Dear liketoknow, Intelligence led raids (x3) under power of search warrants (x3) Items were able to be formally seized and were confirmed and referred to openly by police as counterfeit and duty unpaid. Police and Trading Standards have cooperated (and presumably encouraged) reporting of these arrests. If, by your apparent support, you are representing the people arrested, Good luck with that[/p][/quote]no I'm not. just pointing out the fact that until they are charged they are entitled to the same treatment as any law abiding citizen , or do you think that anyone who is arrested should have their chance of justice seriously compromised by unsubstantiated press reports. no doubt their lawyer would plead the same thing. liketoknow
  • Score: 0

6:51pm Thu 27 Feb 14

dangerdave says...

I wonder what other dodgy stuff gets sold in the city. I remember reading about dodgy vodkas poisoning people. Again sold by crime gangs. The same people involved in human trafficking and other nasty business. Fair play to the people who did these raids, they are doing what we should all want well done. More please. Certainly better than dishing out parking fines!
I wonder what other dodgy stuff gets sold in the city. I remember reading about dodgy vodkas poisoning people. Again sold by crime gangs. The same people involved in human trafficking and other nasty business. Fair play to the people who did these raids, they are doing what we should all want well done. More please. Certainly better than dishing out parking fines! dangerdave
  • Score: 4

9:17pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Biggles says...

To the smokers of Worcester.

You do not have to break the law, you do not have to fund terrorism, or any other kind of organised crime, and you do not have to pay the very high rates of UK duty.

Just go to Belgium and bring back what you want (within reason, do not bring back stuff for others, and do not sell it, obviously).

I go a couple of times a year, about £25 return on the ferry, for a car and up to nine people, depending on which car I take, about £100 to £120 in petrol, I can leave at 06.00 hours, and be back in the house by 20.00 hours.

Don't drive/have a car ?

You can catch a coach from Birmingham for about £40 return.

The savings ? a £16 pouch of tobacco here is about £3.50 there, EU duty paid.

You can do it, all legally, you just need to put some effort in !
To the smokers of Worcester. You do not have to break the law, you do not have to fund terrorism, or any other kind of organised crime, and you do not have to pay the very high rates of UK duty. Just go to Belgium and bring back what you want (within reason, do not bring back stuff for others, and do not sell it, obviously). I go a couple of times a year, about £25 return on the ferry, for a car and up to nine people, depending on which car I take, about £100 to £120 in petrol, I can leave at 06.00 hours, and be back in the house by 20.00 hours. Don't drive/have a car ? You can catch a coach from Birmingham for about £40 return. The savings ? a £16 pouch of tobacco here is about £3.50 there, EU duty paid. You can do it, all legally, you just need to put some effort in ! Biggles
  • Score: 4

1:34am Fri 28 Feb 14

ideas4all says...

Biggles wrote:
To the smokers of Worcester.

You do not have to break the law, you do not have to fund terrorism, or any other kind of organised crime, and you do not have to pay the very high rates of UK duty.

Just go to Belgium and bring back what you want (within reason, do not bring back stuff for others, and do not sell it, obviously).

I go a couple of times a year, about £25 return on the ferry, for a car and up to nine people, depending on which car I take, about £100 to £120 in petrol, I can leave at 06.00 hours, and be back in the house by 20.00 hours.

Don't drive/have a car ?

You can catch a coach from Birmingham for about £40 return.

The savings ? a £16 pouch of tobacco here is about £3.50 there, EU duty paid.

You can do it, all legally, you just need to put some effort in !
Forget the terrorism link that's just scare mongering .billionaires making donations to goverments taking part in illegal wars is more believable because they have the power and influence even controlling parts of the media resulting in ppl like u believing everything they c on the news .just for a moment imagine ur a 10 year old living in a country where superpowers have bombed ur home killing all ur family this I believe is called collateral damage others call this terrorism upto no one in the invading nations has been bought to account yet so ppl like u should sometimes look at situations from a neutral point of view not because the lucrative oil contracts mean u will now have a better standard of living .anyway my question was to how many pouches of tobacco r u able to bring on one trip for personal use
[quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: To the smokers of Worcester. You do not have to break the law, you do not have to fund terrorism, or any other kind of organised crime, and you do not have to pay the very high rates of UK duty. Just go to Belgium and bring back what you want (within reason, do not bring back stuff for others, and do not sell it, obviously). I go a couple of times a year, about £25 return on the ferry, for a car and up to nine people, depending on which car I take, about £100 to £120 in petrol, I can leave at 06.00 hours, and be back in the house by 20.00 hours. Don't drive/have a car ? You can catch a coach from Birmingham for about £40 return. The savings ? a £16 pouch of tobacco here is about £3.50 there, EU duty paid. You can do it, all legally, you just need to put some effort in ![/p][/quote]Forget the terrorism link that's just scare mongering .billionaires making donations to goverments taking part in illegal wars is more believable because they have the power and influence even controlling parts of the media resulting in ppl like u believing everything they c on the news .just for a moment imagine ur a 10 year old living in a country where superpowers have bombed ur home killing all ur family this I believe is called collateral damage others call this terrorism upto no one in the invading nations has been bought to account yet so ppl like u should sometimes look at situations from a neutral point of view not because the lucrative oil contracts mean u will now have a better standard of living .anyway my question was to how many pouches of tobacco r u able to bring on one trip for personal use ideas4all
  • Score: -3

6:06am Fri 28 Feb 14

Ronnie6704 says...

ideas4all wrote:
Biggles wrote:
To the smokers of Worcester.

You do not have to break the law, you do not have to fund terrorism, or any other kind of organised crime, and you do not have to pay the very high rates of UK duty.

Just go to Belgium and bring back what you want (within reason, do not bring back stuff for others, and do not sell it, obviously).

I go a couple of times a year, about £25 return on the ferry, for a car and up to nine people, depending on which car I take, about £100 to £120 in petrol, I can leave at 06.00 hours, and be back in the house by 20.00 hours.

Don't drive/have a car ?

You can catch a coach from Birmingham for about £40 return.

The savings ? a £16 pouch of tobacco here is about £3.50 there, EU duty paid.

You can do it, all legally, you just need to put some effort in !
Forget the terrorism link that's just scare mongering .billionaires making donations to goverments taking part in illegal wars is more believable because they have the power and influence even controlling parts of the media resulting in ppl like u believing everything they c on the news .just for a moment imagine ur a 10 year old living in a country where superpowers have bombed ur home killing all ur family this I believe is called collateral damage others call this terrorism upto no one in the invading nations has been bought to account yet so ppl like u should sometimes look at situations from a neutral point of view not because the lucrative oil contracts mean u will now have a better standard of living .anyway my question was to how many pouches of tobacco r u able to bring on one trip for personal use
I think those cigarettes have obviously affected your ability to have a logical discussion, unwillingness to accept points that are proven fact and to you and also have a basic grasp of English!
[quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: To the smokers of Worcester. You do not have to break the law, you do not have to fund terrorism, or any other kind of organised crime, and you do not have to pay the very high rates of UK duty. Just go to Belgium and bring back what you want (within reason, do not bring back stuff for others, and do not sell it, obviously). I go a couple of times a year, about £25 return on the ferry, for a car and up to nine people, depending on which car I take, about £100 to £120 in petrol, I can leave at 06.00 hours, and be back in the house by 20.00 hours. Don't drive/have a car ? You can catch a coach from Birmingham for about £40 return. The savings ? a £16 pouch of tobacco here is about £3.50 there, EU duty paid. You can do it, all legally, you just need to put some effort in ![/p][/quote]Forget the terrorism link that's just scare mongering .billionaires making donations to goverments taking part in illegal wars is more believable because they have the power and influence even controlling parts of the media resulting in ppl like u believing everything they c on the news .just for a moment imagine ur a 10 year old living in a country where superpowers have bombed ur home killing all ur family this I believe is called collateral damage others call this terrorism upto no one in the invading nations has been bought to account yet so ppl like u should sometimes look at situations from a neutral point of view not because the lucrative oil contracts mean u will now have a better standard of living .anyway my question was to how many pouches of tobacco r u able to bring on one trip for personal use[/p][/quote]I think those cigarettes have obviously affected your ability to have a logical discussion, unwillingness to accept points that are proven fact and to you and also have a basic grasp of English! Ronnie6704
  • Score: 7

10:50am Fri 28 Feb 14

MJI says...

ideas4all wrote:
Ronnie6704 wrote:
ideas4all wrote:
dangerdave wrote:
Ideas4all. Really You just type nonsense. How can you say all people who smoke illegal cigarettes have no other vices. What absolute crap! Honestly.
Didn't say that I said there is too much duty on cigs compared to other vices ppl enjoy .cigs is only vice for me don't drink no drugs no holidays no fancy cars just simple life work football and like to relax with a ciggy and ppl like me should not b priced out of this one luxury we have .by the way they r not illegal cigs they r duty free the same ones ppl bring over from holiday
You clearly didn't read the opening lines of the article........ COUNTERFEIT and non duty paid. Your argument that they're only ones people bring back from holiday has no substance whatsoever to it. Maybe do a little research before or become a politician!
Ur missing the point y should we have to pay such high duty compared to rest of Europe their hospitals have to treat smokers as well plus like someone else mentioned obesity takes up more of the NHS budget so should ppl like u have to pay more for junk food much higher duty for fuel as well (even though we have north sea oil ) its better to speak up for what u think is right next ull b saying some of the money generated goes towards illegal wars
Can you try writing something legible?

Your posts are nothing but a big pile of random letters.

Why don't you stop posting until you are capable of reading and writing?

I suggest you look at these pages for assistance.

http://worcestertuto
rs.co.uk/adult-learn
ing/

http://www.worcester
shire.gov.uk/cms/adu
lt-learning.aspx
[quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie6704[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerdave[/bold] wrote: Ideas4all. Really You just type nonsense. How can you say all people who smoke illegal cigarettes have no other vices. What absolute crap! Honestly.[/p][/quote]Didn't say that I said there is too much duty on cigs compared to other vices ppl enjoy .cigs is only vice for me don't drink no drugs no holidays no fancy cars just simple life work football and like to relax with a ciggy and ppl like me should not b priced out of this one luxury we have .by the way they r not illegal cigs they r duty free the same ones ppl bring over from holiday[/p][/quote]You clearly didn't read the opening lines of the article........ COUNTERFEIT and non duty paid. Your argument that they're only ones people bring back from holiday has no substance whatsoever to it. Maybe do a little research before or become a politician![/p][/quote]Ur missing the point y should we have to pay such high duty compared to rest of Europe their hospitals have to treat smokers as well plus like someone else mentioned obesity takes up more of the NHS budget so should ppl like u have to pay more for junk food much higher duty for fuel as well (even though we have north sea oil ) its better to speak up for what u think is right next ull b saying some of the money generated goes towards illegal wars[/p][/quote]Can you try writing something legible? Your posts are nothing but a big pile of random letters. Why don't you stop posting until you are capable of reading and writing? I suggest you look at these pages for assistance. http://worcestertuto rs.co.uk/adult-learn ing/ http://www.worcester shire.gov.uk/cms/adu lt-learning.aspx MJI
  • Score: 6

4:35pm Fri 28 Feb 14

ideas4all says...

MJI wrote:
ideas4all wrote:
Ronnie6704 wrote:
ideas4all wrote:
dangerdave wrote:
Ideas4all. Really You just type nonsense. How can you say all people who smoke illegal cigarettes have no other vices. What absolute crap! Honestly.
Didn't say that I said there is too much duty on cigs compared to other vices ppl enjoy .cigs is only vice for me don't drink no drugs no holidays no fancy cars just simple life work football and like to relax with a ciggy and ppl like me should not b priced out of this one luxury we have .by the way they r not illegal cigs they r duty free the same ones ppl bring over from holiday
You clearly didn't read the opening lines of the article........ COUNTERFEIT and non duty paid. Your argument that they're only ones people bring back from holiday has no substance whatsoever to it. Maybe do a little research before or become a politician!
Ur missing the point y should we have to pay such high duty compared to rest of Europe their hospitals have to treat smokers as well plus like someone else mentioned obesity takes up more of the NHS budget so should ppl like u have to pay more for junk food much higher duty for fuel as well (even though we have north sea oil ) its better to speak up for what u think is right next ull b saying some of the money generated goes towards illegal wars
Can you try writing something legible?

Your posts are nothing but a big pile of random letters.

Why don't you stop posting until you are capable of reading and writing?

I suggest you look at these pages for assistance.

http://worcestertuto

rs.co.uk/adult-learn

ing/

http://www.worcester

shire.gov.uk/cms/adu

lt-learning.aspx
Forget the grammar and essay writing I didn't go to school I think I made my points clear and u got the gist of it .just need to know how much duty paid tobacco products can u bring back from Belgium and please don't say enough for personal use because everyone has different levels as I'm planning a little vacation all orders will have to b accepted before end of march
[quote][p][bold]MJI[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie6704[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerdave[/bold] wrote: Ideas4all. Really You just type nonsense. How can you say all people who smoke illegal cigarettes have no other vices. What absolute crap! Honestly.[/p][/quote]Didn't say that I said there is too much duty on cigs compared to other vices ppl enjoy .cigs is only vice for me don't drink no drugs no holidays no fancy cars just simple life work football and like to relax with a ciggy and ppl like me should not b priced out of this one luxury we have .by the way they r not illegal cigs they r duty free the same ones ppl bring over from holiday[/p][/quote]You clearly didn't read the opening lines of the article........ COUNTERFEIT and non duty paid. Your argument that they're only ones people bring back from holiday has no substance whatsoever to it. Maybe do a little research before or become a politician![/p][/quote]Ur missing the point y should we have to pay such high duty compared to rest of Europe their hospitals have to treat smokers as well plus like someone else mentioned obesity takes up more of the NHS budget so should ppl like u have to pay more for junk food much higher duty for fuel as well (even though we have north sea oil ) its better to speak up for what u think is right next ull b saying some of the money generated goes towards illegal wars[/p][/quote]Can you try writing something legible? Your posts are nothing but a big pile of random letters. Why don't you stop posting until you are capable of reading and writing? I suggest you look at these pages for assistance. http://worcestertuto rs.co.uk/adult-learn ing/ http://www.worcester shire.gov.uk/cms/adu lt-learning.aspx[/p][/quote]Forget the grammar and essay writing I didn't go to school I think I made my points clear and u got the gist of it .just need to know how much duty paid tobacco products can u bring back from Belgium and please don't say enough for personal use because everyone has different levels as I'm planning a little vacation all orders will have to b accepted before end of march ideas4all
  • Score: -7

4:56pm Fri 28 Feb 14

MJI says...

ideas4all wrote:
MJI wrote:
ideas4all wrote:
Ronnie6704 wrote:
ideas4all wrote:
dangerdave wrote:
Ideas4all. Really You just type nonsense. How can you say all people who smoke illegal cigarettes have no other vices. What absolute crap! Honestly.
Didn't say that I said there is too much duty on cigs compared to other vices ppl enjoy .cigs is only vice for me don't drink no drugs no holidays no fancy cars just simple life work football and like to relax with a ciggy and ppl like me should not b priced out of this one luxury we have .by the way they r not illegal cigs they r duty free the same ones ppl bring over from holiday
You clearly didn't read the opening lines of the article........ COUNTERFEIT and non duty paid. Your argument that they're only ones people bring back from holiday has no substance whatsoever to it. Maybe do a little research before or become a politician!
Ur missing the point y should we have to pay such high duty compared to rest of Europe their hospitals have to treat smokers as well plus like someone else mentioned obesity takes up more of the NHS budget so should ppl like u have to pay more for junk food much higher duty for fuel as well (even though we have north sea oil ) its better to speak up for what u think is right next ull b saying some of the money generated goes towards illegal wars
Can you try writing something legible?

Your posts are nothing but a big pile of random letters.

Why don't you stop posting until you are capable of reading and writing?

I suggest you look at these pages for assistance.

http://worcestertuto


rs.co.uk/adult-learn


ing/

http://www.worcester


shire.gov.uk/cms/adu


lt-learning.aspx
Forget the grammar and essay writing I didn't go to school I think I made my points clear and u got the gist of it .just need to know how much duty paid tobacco products can u bring back from Belgium and please don't say enough for personal use because everyone has different levels as I'm planning a little vacation all orders will have to b accepted before end of march
Sorry more gobbledegook.

LEARN TO WRITE PLEASE.

And this is the internet not a text message.
[quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJI[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie6704[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerdave[/bold] wrote: Ideas4all. Really You just type nonsense. How can you say all people who smoke illegal cigarettes have no other vices. What absolute crap! Honestly.[/p][/quote]Didn't say that I said there is too much duty on cigs compared to other vices ppl enjoy .cigs is only vice for me don't drink no drugs no holidays no fancy cars just simple life work football and like to relax with a ciggy and ppl like me should not b priced out of this one luxury we have .by the way they r not illegal cigs they r duty free the same ones ppl bring over from holiday[/p][/quote]You clearly didn't read the opening lines of the article........ COUNTERFEIT and non duty paid. Your argument that they're only ones people bring back from holiday has no substance whatsoever to it. Maybe do a little research before or become a politician![/p][/quote]Ur missing the point y should we have to pay such high duty compared to rest of Europe their hospitals have to treat smokers as well plus like someone else mentioned obesity takes up more of the NHS budget so should ppl like u have to pay more for junk food much higher duty for fuel as well (even though we have north sea oil ) its better to speak up for what u think is right next ull b saying some of the money generated goes towards illegal wars[/p][/quote]Can you try writing something legible? Your posts are nothing but a big pile of random letters. Why don't you stop posting until you are capable of reading and writing? I suggest you look at these pages for assistance. http://worcestertuto rs.co.uk/adult-learn ing/ http://www.worcester shire.gov.uk/cms/adu lt-learning.aspx[/p][/quote]Forget the grammar and essay writing I didn't go to school I think I made my points clear and u got the gist of it .just need to know how much duty paid tobacco products can u bring back from Belgium and please don't say enough for personal use because everyone has different levels as I'm planning a little vacation all orders will have to b accepted before end of march[/p][/quote]Sorry more gobbledegook. LEARN TO WRITE PLEASE. And this is the internet not a text message. MJI
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9:34pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Biggles says...

There are "guidelines" as to how much for personal use, but that is all they are, guidelines.

You may actually bring back as much as you want, I usually bring back three to four Kilo's, which is 60 to 80 50 gram packs.

There is a criminal element to illegal tobacco trading, I think we all accept that, and I am in no way suggesting that anyone does anything illegal.

I have been getting my tobacco this way for many years, and I've never had an issue, because I don't extract the "Michael" out of the authorities, I've always found the customs officials to be very polite and "correct".

I do however know people that have had thousands of pounds worth of tobacco confiscated, and I know one chap who actually had his car confiscated.

If you choose to smoke, as I do, and you consider the UK tobacco duty levels to be offensive, as I do, then it is an alternative for you, and a legal one at that, no grey areas.
There are "guidelines" as to how much for personal use, but that is all they are, guidelines. You may actually bring back as much as you want, I usually bring back three to four Kilo's, which is 60 to 80 50 gram packs. There is a criminal element to illegal tobacco trading, I think we all accept that, and I am in no way suggesting that anyone does anything illegal. I have been getting my tobacco this way for many years, and I've never had an issue, because I don't extract the "Michael" out of the authorities, I've always found the customs officials to be very polite and "correct". I do however know people that have had thousands of pounds worth of tobacco confiscated, and I know one chap who actually had his car confiscated. If you choose to smoke, as I do, and you consider the UK tobacco duty levels to be offensive, as I do, then it is an alternative for you, and a legal one at that, no grey areas. Biggles
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9:27am Sat 1 Mar 14

roguetomato says...

I can't believe there are people on here justifying buying fake illegal products.

The fact that you're buying the fake illegal stuff means you cannot afford to smoke - So why smoke in the first place?

It's true yes that our tobacco is heavily taxed and I personally think that is quite wrong BUT if you don't like it, don't smoke - OR do the sensible thing and travel a little over the sea, and buy Duty Free!

Would you go into a store and steal something because you didn't agree with how much it cost? It's kind of the same thing. You're depriving our economy of tax, which has a huge effect on many areas of the countries interest.

It's the same when people download movies on the internet - For some reason they don't think they're doing anything wrong. The fact is, you / they are thieves and criminals. It's that simple.

If you knowingly buy an illegal product - You're a criminal.

You can't just pick and choose what is and isn't acceptable behavior and then try and retain some kind of moral standing.

Now, I'm not some sort of anti-smoker - I actually quit smoking at the start of January having smoked for 10 years. I used to buy a 50g pouch of GV every week and not once did I buy any fake product. I chose to smoke, so I paid for it.
I can't believe there are people on here justifying buying fake illegal products. The fact that you're buying the fake illegal stuff means you cannot afford to smoke - So why smoke in the first place? It's true yes that our tobacco is heavily taxed and I personally think that is quite wrong BUT if you don't like it, don't smoke - OR do the sensible thing and travel a little over the sea, and buy Duty Free! Would you go into a store and steal something because you didn't agree with how much it cost? It's kind of the same thing. You're depriving our economy of tax, which has a huge effect on many areas of the countries interest. It's the same when people download movies on the internet - For some reason they don't think they're doing anything wrong. The fact is, you / they are thieves and criminals. It's that simple. If you knowingly buy an illegal product - You're a criminal. You can't just pick and choose what is and isn't acceptable behavior and then try and retain some kind of moral standing. Now, I'm not some sort of anti-smoker - I actually quit smoking at the start of January having smoked for 10 years. I used to buy a 50g pouch of GV every week and not once did I buy any fake product. I chose to smoke, so I paid for it. roguetomato
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11:54am Sat 1 Mar 14

Biggles says...

roguetomato wrote:
I can't believe there are people on here justifying buying fake illegal products.

The fact that you're buying the fake illegal stuff means you cannot afford to smoke - So why smoke in the first place?

It's true yes that our tobacco is heavily taxed and I personally think that is quite wrong BUT if you don't like it, don't smoke - OR do the sensible thing and travel a little over the sea, and buy Duty Free!

Would you go into a store and steal something because you didn't agree with how much it cost? It's kind of the same thing. You're depriving our economy of tax, which has a huge effect on many areas of the countries interest.

It's the same when people download movies on the internet - For some reason they don't think they're doing anything wrong. The fact is, you / they are thieves and criminals. It's that simple.

If you knowingly buy an illegal product - You're a criminal.

You can't just pick and choose what is and isn't acceptable behavior and then try and retain some kind of moral standing.

Now, I'm not some sort of anti-smoker - I actually quit smoking at the start of January having smoked for 10 years. I used to buy a 50g pouch of GV every week and not once did I buy any fake product. I chose to smoke, so I paid for it.
A very nice post Sir/Miss, and good luck on your efforts to stop smoking.

Just one point to mention, and it is pedantic, but very important.

When you travel to Belgium, or any other EU Country with lower duty levels, as I suggest if you don't want to pay the very high UK duty, you are not buying duty free, there are very strict limits on what you can bring into the UK duty free.

You are buying EU duty paid, this is the reason you can do it, and the haters just have to accept this, including HMRC.

I must stress again, do NOT sell it, and do NOT become a "tobacco mule", it is a way of buying reasonably priced tobacco products, it is not a career.
[quote][p][bold]roguetomato[/bold] wrote: I can't believe there are people on here justifying buying fake illegal products. The fact that you're buying the fake illegal stuff means you cannot afford to smoke - So why smoke in the first place? It's true yes that our tobacco is heavily taxed and I personally think that is quite wrong BUT if you don't like it, don't smoke - OR do the sensible thing and travel a little over the sea, and buy Duty Free! Would you go into a store and steal something because you didn't agree with how much it cost? It's kind of the same thing. You're depriving our economy of tax, which has a huge effect on many areas of the countries interest. It's the same when people download movies on the internet - For some reason they don't think they're doing anything wrong. The fact is, you / they are thieves and criminals. It's that simple. If you knowingly buy an illegal product - You're a criminal. You can't just pick and choose what is and isn't acceptable behavior and then try and retain some kind of moral standing. Now, I'm not some sort of anti-smoker - I actually quit smoking at the start of January having smoked for 10 years. I used to buy a 50g pouch of GV every week and not once did I buy any fake product. I chose to smoke, so I paid for it.[/p][/quote]A very nice post Sir/Miss, and good luck on your efforts to stop smoking. Just one point to mention, and it is pedantic, but very important. When you travel to Belgium, or any other EU Country with lower duty levels, as I suggest if you don't want to pay the very high UK duty, you are not buying duty free, there are very strict limits on what you can bring into the UK duty free. You are buying EU duty paid, this is the reason you can do it, and the haters just have to accept this, including HMRC. I must stress again, do NOT sell it, and do NOT become a "tobacco mule", it is a way of buying reasonably priced tobacco products, it is not a career. Biggles
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