200 extra car parking spaces on the way at County Hall after months of misery

Worcester News: Spetchley Road in Worcester, by County Hall Spetchley Road in Worcester, by County Hall

ANOTHER 200 parking spaces are being provided at the headquarters of Worcestershire County Council - after months of anger over congestion and safety fears in Spetchley Road.

Bosses at County Hall have revealed plans to create extra capacity at the site by enlarging the size of two existing on-site car parks.

It follows complaints from residents that too many commuters are using nearby residential roads, including Kilbury Drive and Spetchley Road.

There are 2,300 staff who work at County Hall, but fewer than 800 on-site parking spaces.

The number of employees based at the headquarters has rocketed by 43 per cent since January, when it was 1,600, due to workers relocating from other offices.

A planning application to make the changes is now due to be submitted by the end of April, and if expected work will take place over the summer to create the new spaces.

It follows talks between the authority's leadership and Councillor Richard Boorn, who represents the area for Worcester City Council, about the problems.

Cllr Boorn said: "It's been appalling, to be honest. Residents have had to put up with totally unreasonable behaviour for too long.

"I took the fight to the county council and to their credit, they are doing something about it."

Councillor John Campion, cabinet member for transformation and commissioning, said: "It's important to maximise our use of County Hall while ensuring we're a good neighbour.

"Therefore we are currently proposing to apply for planning permission to extend two of our on-site car parks, to provide around 200 extra spaces for staff and visitors.

"As part of the planning process, we have invited staff and nearby residents to several pre-planning consultation drop-in sessions to give them the opportunity to view the proposed designs and provide feedback."

There are 682 spaces at County Hall on five different car parks, and another 96 reserved in a section of Worcester Woods Country Park during term time only as an alternative option for staff.

Employees can park on-site for up to four days per week, or if they live within two kilometres of the site, just three days.

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6:46pm Tue 8 Apr 14

alanquattro says...

And how will this improve the safety of residents in Spetchley Road?. Is there going to be tunnel access from the M5 or something?.
And how will this improve the safety of residents in Spetchley Road?. Is there going to be tunnel access from the M5 or something?. alanquattro
  • Score: 8

6:50pm Tue 8 Apr 14

i-cycle says...

alanquattro wrote:
And how will this improve the safety of residents in Spetchley Road?. Is there going to be tunnel access from the M5 or something?.
20mph anyone?
[quote][p][bold]alanquattro[/bold] wrote: And how will this improve the safety of residents in Spetchley Road?. Is there going to be tunnel access from the M5 or something?.[/p][/quote]20mph anyone? i-cycle
  • Score: 3

6:57pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Seenitall says...

How much will they be charged to park?
How much will they be charged to park? Seenitall
  • Score: 0

7:23pm Tue 8 Apr 14

CJH says...

I'm prepared to predict now that it won't make a blind bit of difference to the problems in Spetchley Road. No-one's taken into account the cars at the 6th Form College. In fact. although I usually hate bus lanes, Spetchley Road is probably one of the places in Worcester where it would be effective. It would benefit in two ways: a bus lane would (hopefully) stop parking on one side of Spetchley Road completely, and the buses would no longer have to compete (dangerously) for the road with the drivers shooting out of Nunnery Wood and the 6th Form College. There's plenty of room - the road has very wide grass verges (on the right going to County Hall). Make the opposite side double yellow lines, and lo! Parking problem solved.
I'm prepared to predict now that it won't make a blind bit of difference to the problems in Spetchley Road. No-one's taken into account the cars at the 6th Form College. In fact. although I usually hate bus lanes, Spetchley Road is probably one of the places in Worcester where it would be effective. It would benefit in two ways: a bus lane would (hopefully) stop parking on one side of Spetchley Road completely, and the buses would no longer have to compete (dangerously) for the road with the drivers shooting out of Nunnery Wood and the 6th Form College. There's plenty of room - the road has very wide grass verges (on the right going to County Hall). Make the opposite side double yellow lines, and lo! Parking problem solved. CJH
  • Score: 13

7:56pm Tue 8 Apr 14

New Kid on the Block says...

It is no surprise that there are parking problems in the area surrounding County Hall. They have been created deliberately.
When I used to work there things were not as bad as there were less staff. BUT numbers were increasing and the parking problems were starting to appear.
We were told (by management) that the Council were not allowed to provide more parking spaces, as in order to encourage the use of public transport they were not legally allowed to provide more parking.
When asked what law prevented the provision of more parking there was never an answer.
Even with the extended car park there will still only be approx 1000 spaces for 2300 staff during term time and approx 900 spaces during the holidays.
When County Hall was built there was a much higher ratio of parking spaces to staff numbers. What has happened to mean that this ratio can be drastically reduced? You wouldn't build an out of town shopping centre without adequate parking facilities so why do it for an office?
It is no surprise that there are parking problems in the area surrounding County Hall. They have been created deliberately. When I used to work there things were not as bad as there were less staff. BUT numbers were increasing and the parking problems were starting to appear. We were told (by management) that the Council were not allowed to provide more parking spaces, as in order to encourage the use of public transport they were not legally allowed to provide more parking. When asked what law prevented the provision of more parking there was never an answer. Even with the extended car park there will still only be approx 1000 spaces for 2300 staff during term time and approx 900 spaces during the holidays. When County Hall was built there was a much higher ratio of parking spaces to staff numbers. What has happened to mean that this ratio can be drastically reduced? You wouldn't build an out of town shopping centre without adequate parking facilities so why do it for an office? New Kid on the Block
  • Score: 8

8:45pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Small Town says...

Sorry, but I don't understand what the beef of the local residents is on this one?

I presume the office staff and/or college pupils are all displaying the correct road fund licence and are properly insured. They are parking on public roads which have zero restrictions on them?

Surely the residents knew that they were buying houses on a public estate, with public roads, and that the majority of the properties have really quite short drives? People are quite within their rights to park outside homes for goodness sake, the residents don't own the streets! Move to a private estate development (I think there's one just across from the Oak Apple/BP Station) if you can't stand the thought of looking at someone else's P reg Nova SR.

This community opinion has nothing to do with "safety", and everything to do with snobbery and some misguided impression that people own the little bit of road outside their house. Park alittle further away from your front door, cut down on your porklife and get some exercise.
Sorry, but I don't understand what the beef of the local residents is on this one? I presume the office staff and/or college pupils are all displaying the correct road fund licence and are properly insured. They are parking on public roads which have zero restrictions on them? Surely the residents knew that they were buying houses on a public estate, with public roads, and that the majority of the properties have really quite short drives? People are quite within their rights to park outside homes for goodness sake, the residents don't own the streets! Move to a private estate development (I think there's one just across from the Oak Apple/BP Station) if you can't stand the thought of looking at someone else's P reg Nova SR. This community opinion has nothing to do with "safety", and everything to do with snobbery and some misguided impression that people own the little bit of road outside their house. Park alittle further away from your front door, cut down on your porklife and get some exercise. Small Town
  • Score: 19

8:55pm Tue 8 Apr 14

bashby says...

Are there no buses to county hall, college and schools anymore?

Shouldnt the council be leading the way on utilising public transport or are giving in to lazy Worcester motorists?
Are there no buses to county hall, college and schools anymore? Shouldnt the council be leading the way on utilising public transport or are giving in to lazy Worcester motorists? bashby
  • Score: -5

9:50pm Tue 8 Apr 14

CJH says...

Small Town wrote:
Sorry, but I don't understand what the beef of the local residents is on this one?

I presume the office staff and/or college pupils are all displaying the correct road fund licence and are properly insured. They are parking on public roads which have zero restrictions on them?

Surely the residents knew that they were buying houses on a public estate, with public roads, and that the majority of the properties have really quite short drives? People are quite within their rights to park outside homes for goodness sake, the residents don't own the streets! Move to a private estate development (I think there's one just across from the Oak Apple/BP Station) if you can't stand the thought of looking at someone else's P reg Nova SR.

This community opinion has nothing to do with "safety", and everything to do with snobbery and some misguided impression that people own the little bit of road outside their house. Park alittle further away from your front door, cut down on your porklife and get some exercise.
I'd invite you to drive up and down Spetchley Road twice a day, especially first thing in the morning, and then about 3.30 pm. Then tell me it's snobbery. I don't live there, but have to negotiate cars parked both sides of the road, buses, kids dawdling across the road, inconsiderate and stupid parking, albeit 'legal'. It's dangerous, and there is enough stress driving in Worcester without this. The council have done nothing about it because they know they have inadequate parking and there is nowhere else for them to go. As for public transport, as someone else suggested, - there are only two buses a day from St Peters to County Hall. One going at 8.15 am, the other returning at 4.15 pm. Those times are for schoolkids, not people working at County Hall. Go figure.
[quote][p][bold]Small Town[/bold] wrote: Sorry, but I don't understand what the beef of the local residents is on this one? I presume the office staff and/or college pupils are all displaying the correct road fund licence and are properly insured. They are parking on public roads which have zero restrictions on them? Surely the residents knew that they were buying houses on a public estate, with public roads, and that the majority of the properties have really quite short drives? People are quite within their rights to park outside homes for goodness sake, the residents don't own the streets! Move to a private estate development (I think there's one just across from the Oak Apple/BP Station) if you can't stand the thought of looking at someone else's P reg Nova SR. This community opinion has nothing to do with "safety", and everything to do with snobbery and some misguided impression that people own the little bit of road outside their house. Park alittle further away from your front door, cut down on your porklife and get some exercise.[/p][/quote]I'd invite you to drive up and down Spetchley Road twice a day, especially first thing in the morning, and then about 3.30 pm. Then tell me it's snobbery. I don't live there, but have to negotiate cars parked both sides of the road, buses, kids dawdling across the road, inconsiderate and stupid parking, albeit 'legal'. It's dangerous, and there is enough stress driving in Worcester without this. The council have done nothing about it because they know they have inadequate parking and there is nowhere else for them to go. As for public transport, as someone else suggested, - there are only two buses a day from St Peters to County Hall. One going at 8.15 am, the other returning at 4.15 pm. Those times are for schoolkids, not people working at County Hall. Go figure. CJH
  • Score: 7

10:53pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Jabbadad says...

I am in agreement with CJH, however the numbers employed at county hall plus visitors was 3,500 not so long ago and some 1,500 were being being sacked / made redundant / retiring.
But there has never been enough parking for staff let alone visitors. There was a delightful young lady whose job was address this issue and I recall all sorts of schemes being tried from Car sharing to odds & even parking permit dates, ecouraging cycling, using special busses. And sadly the uptake was low since many needed access to their cars for outworking or meetings elsewhere.
The only people without any parking problems were / are the COUNCILLORS who have reserved parking under County Hall, bless them. And most days you will find several cars parked in the Disabled parking Bays without a Blue Badge, and when this is brought to the attention of the very polite reception staff they will say that disabled parking is not an issue for them to sort. Quite often traders who have a stall set up in the foyer have parked their vans and cars in Diabled only spaces. When I nicely mentioned this to one lady stallholder she said that she was aware of the disabled parking but couldn't carry her goods to her stall. That day we had transport unable to get onto the spaces to collect people in wheelchairs, So who has the moral and designated parking priority?
And in reply Small Town , the majority of houses were built in that area before County Hall came into existance. Check your facts.
And you are only allowed to park your car on any road, be it outside your own house when you ARE NOT CAUSING AN OBSTRUCTION.
I am in agreement with CJH, however the numbers employed at county hall plus visitors was 3,500 not so long ago and some 1,500 were being being sacked / made redundant / retiring. But there has never been enough parking for staff let alone visitors. There was a delightful young lady whose job was address this issue and I recall all sorts of schemes being tried from Car sharing to odds & even parking permit dates, ecouraging cycling, using special busses. And sadly the uptake was low since many needed access to their cars for outworking or meetings elsewhere. The only people without any parking problems were / are the COUNCILLORS who have reserved parking under County Hall, bless them. And most days you will find several cars parked in the Disabled parking Bays without a Blue Badge, and when this is brought to the attention of the very polite reception staff they will say that disabled parking is not an issue for them to sort. Quite often traders who have a stall set up in the foyer have parked their vans and cars in Diabled only spaces. When I nicely mentioned this to one lady stallholder she said that she was aware of the disabled parking but couldn't carry her goods to her stall. That day we had transport unable to get onto the spaces to collect people in wheelchairs, So who has the moral and designated parking priority? And in reply Small Town , the majority of houses were built in that area before County Hall came into existance. Check your facts. And you are only allowed to park your car on any road, be it outside your own house when you ARE NOT CAUSING AN OBSTRUCTION. Jabbadad
  • Score: -3

8:50am Wed 9 Apr 14

green49 says...

Small Town , the majority of houses were built in that area before County Hall came into existance. Check your facts .
Totally agree Jabbadad,, , i live in the area and county hall has made this situation worse by closing outside offices out of town where people have to travel to county hall now, the reason these spaces are being made is that DEFRA are on the way to county hall too,

How many more staff will be at county hall who knows? but there are not enough work areas for the original employed staff, its stupid hot desk system is a joke, people trying to get there work done but dont know if they have a desk or not and they have to sit in corridors working on laptops sometimes, all while councillors and Hardmans gang have a lap of luxury.
Small Town , the majority of houses were built in that area before County Hall came into existance. Check your facts . Totally agree Jabbadad,, , i live in the area and county hall has made this situation worse by closing outside offices out of town where people have to travel to county hall now, the reason these spaces are being made is that DEFRA are on the way to county hall too, How many more staff will be at county hall who knows? but there are not enough work areas for the original employed staff, its stupid hot desk system is a joke, people trying to get there work done but dont know if they have a desk or not and they have to sit in corridors working on laptops sometimes, all while councillors and Hardmans gang have a lap of luxury. green49
  • Score: 4

8:54am Wed 9 Apr 14

green49 says...

The application for this car park will go through as Hardman said ' i think we can take as done as we are the aurthority' collegues heard him say that quite openly.
The application for this car park will go through as Hardman said ' i think we can take as done as we are the aurthority' collegues heard him say that quite openly. green49
  • Score: 1

11:24am Wed 9 Apr 14

Moltaire says...

If a car is parked safely, does not block a driveway or obstruct traffic to the point where other cars can't pass by, and the car is taxed and insured, then as far as I am aware no offence is being caused. If this isn't the case, the Police have the powers to enforce. And the majority of council staff park on the County Hall end of Spetchley Road not near the school and college, which is where the Sixth Form students park, thereby making the 'school safety issue caused by council staff' argument a nonsense. And if you travel along Spetchley Road during the school holidays, you'll soon notice that the majority of cars parked belong to the students because the majority of the road will be empty of parked cars. Drive along there next week during the Easter holidays and you'll see exactly what I mean. If there is a safety issue, what are the accident statistics?

It seems to me that it's just the council workers who are being picked on here, while the student parking is being ignored, and in a way almost being accepted. I don't see the same criticisms being raised towards the similar parking outside many other schools in Worcester, in fact it seems clear that the parking from council staff is merely a nuisance which local residents want to get rid of, while many probably think they own the road outside and near their properties.
If a car is parked safely, does not block a driveway or obstruct traffic to the point where other cars can't pass by, and the car is taxed and insured, then as far as I am aware no offence is being caused. If this isn't the case, the Police have the powers to enforce. And the majority of council staff park on the County Hall end of Spetchley Road not near the school and college, which is where the Sixth Form students park, thereby making the 'school safety issue caused by council staff' argument a nonsense. And if you travel along Spetchley Road during the school holidays, you'll soon notice that the majority of cars parked belong to the students because the majority of the road will be empty of parked cars. Drive along there next week during the Easter holidays and you'll see exactly what I mean. If there is a safety issue, what are the accident statistics? It seems to me that it's just the council workers who are being picked on here, while the student parking is being ignored, and in a way almost being accepted. I don't see the same criticisms being raised towards the similar parking outside many other schools in Worcester, in fact it seems clear that the parking from council staff is merely a nuisance which local residents want to get rid of, while many probably think they own the road outside and near their properties. Moltaire
  • Score: 16

12:31pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Doogie 46 says...

As several comments state, virtually every house in that area was there before County Hall was built. Additionally, what is now the Sixth Form College was the Girls` Grammar School and most of the students were not old enough to drive - unlike the college students.
It`s all very well for the council to introduce regulations limiting employees/students access to car parking in the hope they will cycle, walk or use the bus, but they will instead merely clog up any street within walking distance of their place of study/work. So parking restrictions on Spetchley Road will not solve the problem, only move it sideways.
As several comments state, virtually every house in that area was there before County Hall was built. Additionally, what is now the Sixth Form College was the Girls` Grammar School and most of the students were not old enough to drive - unlike the college students. It`s all very well for the council to introduce regulations limiting employees/students access to car parking in the hope they will cycle, walk or use the bus, but they will instead merely clog up any street within walking distance of their place of study/work. So parking restrictions on Spetchley Road will not solve the problem, only move it sideways. Doogie 46
  • Score: 7

5:16pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Fishy says...

County Hall may be on a bus route but most staff don't live along the route. Those who do often have school runs etc which don't bode well with using it.

I suspect that these changes may be down to pressure - just wish they could have happened sooner or will the 200 council staff cars simply be replaced with sixth form college ones???
County Hall may be on a bus route but most staff don't live along the route. Those who do often have school runs etc which don't bode well with using it. I suspect that these changes may be down to pressure - just wish they could have happened sooner or will the 200 council staff cars simply be replaced with sixth form college ones??? Fishy
  • Score: 12

8:38pm Wed 9 Apr 14

bashby says...

CJH wrote:
Small Town wrote:
Sorry, but I don't understand what the beef of the local residents is on this one?

I presume the office staff and/or college pupils are all displaying the correct road fund licence and are properly insured. They are parking on public roads which have zero restrictions on them?

Surely the residents knew that they were buying houses on a public estate, with public roads, and that the majority of the properties have really quite short drives? People are quite within their rights to park outside homes for goodness sake, the residents don't own the streets! Move to a private estate development (I think there's one just across from the Oak Apple/BP Station) if you can't stand the thought of looking at someone else's P reg Nova SR.

This community opinion has nothing to do with "safety", and everything to do with snobbery and some misguided impression that people own the little bit of road outside their house. Park alittle further away from your front door, cut down on your porklife and get some exercise.
I'd invite you to drive up and down Spetchley Road twice a day, especially first thing in the morning, and then about 3.30 pm. Then tell me it's snobbery. I don't live there, but have to negotiate cars parked both sides of the road, buses, kids dawdling across the road, inconsiderate and stupid parking, albeit 'legal'. It's dangerous, and there is enough stress driving in Worcester without this. The council have done nothing about it because they know they have inadequate parking and there is nowhere else for them to go. As for public transport, as someone else suggested, - there are only two buses a day from St Peters to County Hall. One going at 8.15 am, the other returning at 4.15 pm. Those times are for schoolkids, not people working at County Hall. Go figure.
There are only two buses a day. 20 min walk tops. Lazy. Go figure... or try walking.
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Small Town[/bold] wrote: Sorry, but I don't understand what the beef of the local residents is on this one? I presume the office staff and/or college pupils are all displaying the correct road fund licence and are properly insured. They are parking on public roads which have zero restrictions on them? Surely the residents knew that they were buying houses on a public estate, with public roads, and that the majority of the properties have really quite short drives? People are quite within their rights to park outside homes for goodness sake, the residents don't own the streets! Move to a private estate development (I think there's one just across from the Oak Apple/BP Station) if you can't stand the thought of looking at someone else's P reg Nova SR. This community opinion has nothing to do with "safety", and everything to do with snobbery and some misguided impression that people own the little bit of road outside their house. Park alittle further away from your front door, cut down on your porklife and get some exercise.[/p][/quote]I'd invite you to drive up and down Spetchley Road twice a day, especially first thing in the morning, and then about 3.30 pm. Then tell me it's snobbery. I don't live there, but have to negotiate cars parked both sides of the road, buses, kids dawdling across the road, inconsiderate and stupid parking, albeit 'legal'. It's dangerous, and there is enough stress driving in Worcester without this. The council have done nothing about it because they know they have inadequate parking and there is nowhere else for them to go. As for public transport, as someone else suggested, - there are only two buses a day from St Peters to County Hall. One going at 8.15 am, the other returning at 4.15 pm. Those times are for schoolkids, not people working at County Hall. Go figure.[/p][/quote]There are only two buses a day. 20 min walk tops. Lazy. Go figure... or try walking. bashby
  • Score: -2

8:49pm Wed 9 Apr 14

bashby says...

http://www.worcester
shire.gov.uk/cms/bus
/route-finder.aspx go figure c10 services to redhill island alone. Bus bike or walk. No excuse really is there?
http://www.worcester shire.gov.uk/cms/bus /route-finder.aspx go figure c10 services to redhill island alone. Bus bike or walk. No excuse really is there? bashby
  • Score: 0

9:36pm Wed 9 Apr 14

CJH says...

bashby wrote:
CJH wrote:
Small Town wrote:
Sorry, but I don't understand what the beef of the local residents is on this one?

I presume the office staff and/or college pupils are all displaying the correct road fund licence and are properly insured. They are parking on public roads which have zero restrictions on them?

Surely the residents knew that they were buying houses on a public estate, with public roads, and that the majority of the properties have really quite short drives? People are quite within their rights to park outside homes for goodness sake, the residents don't own the streets! Move to a private estate development (I think there's one just across from the Oak Apple/BP Station) if you can't stand the thought of looking at someone else's P reg Nova SR.

This community opinion has nothing to do with "safety", and everything to do with snobbery and some misguided impression that people own the little bit of road outside their house. Park alittle further away from your front door, cut down on your porklife and get some exercise.
I'd invite you to drive up and down Spetchley Road twice a day, especially first thing in the morning, and then about 3.30 pm. Then tell me it's snobbery. I don't live there, but have to negotiate cars parked both sides of the road, buses, kids dawdling across the road, inconsiderate and stupid parking, albeit 'legal'. It's dangerous, and there is enough stress driving in Worcester without this. The council have done nothing about it because they know they have inadequate parking and there is nowhere else for them to go. As for public transport, as someone else suggested, - there are only two buses a day from St Peters to County Hall. One going at 8.15 am, the other returning at 4.15 pm. Those times are for schoolkids, not people working at County Hall. Go figure.
There are only two buses a day. 20 min walk tops. Lazy. Go figure... or try walking.
Hmmm...you want to try it with an elderly mother, bags of shopping, children? And don't even ask how much it would cost. You need a reality check.
[quote][p][bold]bashby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Small Town[/bold] wrote: Sorry, but I don't understand what the beef of the local residents is on this one? I presume the office staff and/or college pupils are all displaying the correct road fund licence and are properly insured. They are parking on public roads which have zero restrictions on them? Surely the residents knew that they were buying houses on a public estate, with public roads, and that the majority of the properties have really quite short drives? People are quite within their rights to park outside homes for goodness sake, the residents don't own the streets! Move to a private estate development (I think there's one just across from the Oak Apple/BP Station) if you can't stand the thought of looking at someone else's P reg Nova SR. This community opinion has nothing to do with "safety", and everything to do with snobbery and some misguided impression that people own the little bit of road outside their house. Park alittle further away from your front door, cut down on your porklife and get some exercise.[/p][/quote]I'd invite you to drive up and down Spetchley Road twice a day, especially first thing in the morning, and then about 3.30 pm. Then tell me it's snobbery. I don't live there, but have to negotiate cars parked both sides of the road, buses, kids dawdling across the road, inconsiderate and stupid parking, albeit 'legal'. It's dangerous, and there is enough stress driving in Worcester without this. The council have done nothing about it because they know they have inadequate parking and there is nowhere else for them to go. As for public transport, as someone else suggested, - there are only two buses a day from St Peters to County Hall. One going at 8.15 am, the other returning at 4.15 pm. Those times are for schoolkids, not people working at County Hall. Go figure.[/p][/quote]There are only two buses a day. 20 min walk tops. Lazy. Go figure... or try walking.[/p][/quote]Hmmm...you want to try it with an elderly mother, bags of shopping, children? And don't even ask how much it would cost. You need a reality check. CJH
  • Score: 9

9:38pm Wed 9 Apr 14

CJH says...

bashby wrote:
http://www.worcester

shire.gov.uk/cms/bus

/route-finder.aspx go figure c10 services to redhill island alone. Bus bike or walk. No excuse really is there?
Are you always this insensitive, or have we got you on a bad day?
[quote][p][bold]bashby[/bold] wrote: http://www.worcester shire.gov.uk/cms/bus /route-finder.aspx go figure c10 services to redhill island alone. Bus bike or walk. No excuse really is there?[/p][/quote]Are you always this insensitive, or have we got you on a bad day? CJH
  • Score: 6

6:49pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Mcdonald45 says...

green49 wrote:
Small Town , the majority of houses were built in that area before County Hall came into existance. Check your facts .
Totally agree Jabbadad,, , i live in the area and county hall has made this situation worse by closing outside offices out of town where people have to travel to county hall now, the reason these spaces are being made is that DEFRA are on the way to county hall too,

How many more staff will be at county hall who knows? but there are not enough work areas for the original employed staff, its stupid hot desk system is a joke, people trying to get there work done but dont know if they have a desk or not and they have to sit in corridors working on laptops sometimes, all while councillors and Hardmans gang have a lap of luxury.
What is happening to the DEFRA site? And when is it going?
[quote][p][bold]green49[/bold] wrote: Small Town , the majority of houses were built in that area before County Hall came into existance. Check your facts . Totally agree Jabbadad,, , i live in the area and county hall has made this situation worse by closing outside offices out of town where people have to travel to county hall now, the reason these spaces are being made is that DEFRA are on the way to county hall too, How many more staff will be at county hall who knows? but there are not enough work areas for the original employed staff, its stupid hot desk system is a joke, people trying to get there work done but dont know if they have a desk or not and they have to sit in corridors working on laptops sometimes, all while councillors and Hardmans gang have a lap of luxury.[/p][/quote]What is happening to the DEFRA site? And when is it going? Mcdonald45
  • Score: 6

9:50pm Thu 10 Apr 14

ispywithmylitleeye says...

As staff can only park onsite 3 or 4 days per week it does not matter how many spaces they have. People will still need to park on Spetchley RD when not allowed to park on campus.
As staff can only park onsite 3 or 4 days per week it does not matter how many spaces they have. People will still need to park on Spetchley RD when not allowed to park on campus. ispywithmylitleeye
  • Score: 7

1:20pm Fri 11 Apr 14

themooman says...

i will continue to park on the road - it doesnt cause an issue
i will continue to park on the road - it doesnt cause an issue themooman
  • Score: 3

6:51pm Fri 11 Apr 14

poontangy says...

parking on Spetchley Road causes many problems. Cycling to work past parked cars outside Nunnery Wood high school with inpatient ( usually female) drivers pulling across the road without looking is extremely dangerous, after taking their precious spawn to school.
parking on Spetchley Road causes many problems. Cycling to work past parked cars outside Nunnery Wood high school with inpatient ( usually female) drivers pulling across the road without looking is extremely dangerous, after taking their precious spawn to school. poontangy
  • Score: 0

12:25am Sun 13 Apr 14

dwichgirl says...

Some County Council staff have to do a school run before work and carry heavy equipment to work, such as laptops etc... so it's not always practical to travel on public transport.
Some County Council staff have to do a school run before work and carry heavy equipment to work, such as laptops etc... so it's not always practical to travel on public transport. dwichgirl
  • Score: 5

12:36am Sun 13 Apr 14

CJH says...

poontangy wrote:
parking on Spetchley Road causes many problems. Cycling to work past parked cars outside Nunnery Wood high school with inpatient ( usually female) drivers pulling across the road without looking is extremely dangerous, after taking their precious spawn to school.
'inpatient'? And why did you feel the need to mention the sex of the drivers? Pointless.
[quote][p][bold]poontangy[/bold] wrote: parking on Spetchley Road causes many problems. Cycling to work past parked cars outside Nunnery Wood high school with inpatient ( usually female) drivers pulling across the road without looking is extremely dangerous, after taking their precious spawn to school.[/p][/quote]'inpatient'? And why did you feel the need to mention the sex of the drivers? Pointless. CJH
  • Score: 1

8:30am Sun 13 Apr 14

green49 says...

Mcdonald45 says...What is happening to the DEFRA site? And when is it going?
The Defra site has been up for discussion for housing??? for ages, The County council will tell you that nothing has been decided with Defra going to County hall but they ARE going thats why the car park is being done,, also the Countryside center is overwhelmed with people who park and walk to the Hospital and County hall are going to put charges on the car par to deter this.
Of course they wont admit it but wait and see?
Mcdonald45 says...What is happening to the DEFRA site? And when is it going? The Defra site has been up for discussion for housing??? for ages, The County council will tell you that nothing has been decided with Defra going to County hall but they ARE going thats why the car park is being done,, also the Countryside center is overwhelmed with people who park and walk to the Hospital and County hall are going to put charges on the car par to deter this. Of course they wont admit it but wait and see? green49
  • Score: 4

9:39am Sun 13 Apr 14

i-cycle says...

green49 wrote:
Mcdonald45 says...What is happening to the DEFRA site? And when is it going?
The Defra site has been up for discussion for housing??? for ages, The County council will tell you that nothing has been decided with Defra going to County hall but they ARE going thats why the car park is being done,, also the Countryside center is overwhelmed with people who park and walk to the Hospital and County hall are going to put charges on the car par to deter this.
Of course they wont admit it but wait and see?
DEFRA are certainly moving and plans are in place for more housing.The proposed Battenhall development is making for a signalised junction that would give access to both sites. At a guess Miller Homes will be an interested buyer.This time it means the City will get the New Homes Bonus to spend rather than Wychavon.
[quote][p][bold]green49[/bold] wrote: Mcdonald45 says...What is happening to the DEFRA site? And when is it going? The Defra site has been up for discussion for housing??? for ages, The County council will tell you that nothing has been decided with Defra going to County hall but they ARE going thats why the car park is being done,, also the Countryside center is overwhelmed with people who park and walk to the Hospital and County hall are going to put charges on the car par to deter this. Of course they wont admit it but wait and see?[/p][/quote]DEFRA are certainly moving and plans are in place for more housing.The proposed Battenhall development is making for a signalised junction that would give access to both sites. At a guess Miller Homes will be an interested buyer.This time it means the City will get the New Homes Bonus to spend rather than Wychavon. i-cycle
  • Score: 2

8:49pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Mcdonald45 says...

green49 wrote:
Mcdonald45 says...What is happening to the DEFRA site? And when is it going?
The Defra site has been up for discussion for housing??? for ages, The County council will tell you that nothing has been decided with Defra going to County hall but they ARE going thats why the car park is being done,, also the Countryside center is overwhelmed with people who park and walk to the Hospital and County hall are going to put charges on the car par to deter this.
Of course they wont admit it but wait and see?
Thanks for answering my question, and i have heard now that they might build a small office block on the site with some houses, this may take some of the load off of county hall??
[quote][p][bold]green49[/bold] wrote: Mcdonald45 says...What is happening to the DEFRA site? And when is it going? The Defra site has been up for discussion for housing??? for ages, The County council will tell you that nothing has been decided with Defra going to County hall but they ARE going thats why the car park is being done,, also the Countryside center is overwhelmed with people who park and walk to the Hospital and County hall are going to put charges on the car par to deter this. Of course they wont admit it but wait and see?[/p][/quote]Thanks for answering my question, and i have heard now that they might build a small office block on the site with some houses, this may take some of the load off of county hall?? Mcdonald45
  • Score: 2

9:19pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Small Town says...

Mcdonald45 wrote:
green49 wrote:
Mcdonald45 says...What is happening to the DEFRA site? And when is it going?
The Defra site has been up for discussion for housing??? for ages, The County council will tell you that nothing has been decided with Defra going to County hall but they ARE going thats why the car park is being done,, also the Countryside center is overwhelmed with people who park and walk to the Hospital and County hall are going to put charges on the car par to deter this.
Of course they wont admit it but wait and see?
Thanks for answering my question, and i have heard now that they might build a small office block on the site with some houses, this may take some of the load off of county hall??
No the small office block option has been discounted by DEFRA, it's not considered practical or a worthwhile investment for an organisation committed to reducing its estate.

Options outside of Worcestershire have been investigated by the Govt Department but the county council / planning won't agree to the potential to develop the whole DEFRA site for housing unless the existing jobs at the site are transferred to a new premises in Worcester (fair play to them for that at least).

Expect the relocation to county hall to take place in May - July 2015.
[quote][p][bold]Mcdonald45[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]green49[/bold] wrote: Mcdonald45 says...What is happening to the DEFRA site? And when is it going? The Defra site has been up for discussion for housing??? for ages, The County council will tell you that nothing has been decided with Defra going to County hall but they ARE going thats why the car park is being done,, also the Countryside center is overwhelmed with people who park and walk to the Hospital and County hall are going to put charges on the car par to deter this. Of course they wont admit it but wait and see?[/p][/quote]Thanks for answering my question, and i have heard now that they might build a small office block on the site with some houses, this may take some of the load off of county hall??[/p][/quote]No the small office block option has been discounted by DEFRA, it's not considered practical or a worthwhile investment for an organisation committed to reducing its estate. Options outside of Worcestershire have been investigated by the Govt Department but the county council / planning won't agree to the potential to develop the whole DEFRA site for housing unless the existing jobs at the site are transferred to a new premises in Worcester (fair play to them for that at least). Expect the relocation to county hall to take place in May - July 2015. Small Town
  • Score: 2

12:05pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Mcdonald45 says...

So if the DEFRA people move to county hall, what happens to the people already working at county hall?

And small town where do you get this information from? (Just wondering)
So if the DEFRA people move to county hall, what happens to the people already working at county hall? And small town where do you get this information from? (Just wondering) Mcdonald45
  • Score: 2

12:50pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Spetchley Dave says...

The County Council will have outsourced 1500 or so more jobs by the time DEFRA move in, so loads of room!
The County Council will have outsourced 1500 or so more jobs by the time DEFRA move in, so loads of room! Spetchley Dave
  • Score: 1

1:46pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Jabbadad says...

Most of problems with parking are related to the 104 agreements (I think)
I sat on committees for the New Hospital when we were criticised by the then Cheif Executive Mark Butler for continuingly tabling concerns over dramatically low numbers of proposed parking spaces. In fact there weren't enough for the Staff let alone visitors / patients. The reasons we were given was that low numbers of carparking spaces would encourage people to WALK , CYCLE, use BUSSES, an idea supported by the then Worcester Civic Society, but hadn't been agreed then with the First bus company. When we pointed out that perhaps those who had to rely on cars and busses were probably attending Hospital appointments because they were ill / poorly, those from the hospital group had no answers.
They did however present glowing examples of other PFI hospitals where they claimed the 104 agreement parking was working well.
As panel members we contacted the hospitals named and found that contrary to the claims there was one new hospital close to a motorway junction where cars queing for the Hospital were causing traffic jams at the slip roads coming off the motorway, and in another case a nearby Supermarket had to employ a car park attendant to stop people abusing the parking when visiting the Hospital. In fact there were problems everywhere we contacted.
The so called brilliant New Labour plan for transport has just carried on to what we have today.
Without a reliabley frequent public transport system we will have more cars and the problems that come with them. Only idiots, politicians (such as Geraghty) and those NIMBYS who wish to preserve the views from their gardens, while quite happy to use roads which pass other peoples homes, we will have problems. RIGHT NOW WE MUST HAVE A NORTHERN LINK BYPASS.
Most of problems with parking are related to the 104 agreements (I think) I sat on committees for the New Hospital when we were criticised by the then Cheif Executive Mark Butler for continuingly tabling concerns over dramatically low numbers of proposed parking spaces. In fact there weren't enough for the Staff let alone visitors / patients. The reasons we were given was that low numbers of carparking spaces would encourage people to WALK , CYCLE, use BUSSES, an idea supported by the then Worcester Civic Society, but hadn't been agreed then with the First bus company. When we pointed out that perhaps those who had to rely on cars and busses were probably attending Hospital appointments because they were ill / poorly, those from the hospital group had no answers. They did however present glowing examples of other PFI hospitals where they claimed the 104 agreement parking was working well. As panel members we contacted the hospitals named and found that contrary to the claims there was one new hospital close to a motorway junction where cars queing for the Hospital were causing traffic jams at the slip roads coming off the motorway, and in another case a nearby Supermarket had to employ a car park attendant to stop people abusing the parking when visiting the Hospital. In fact there were problems everywhere we contacted. The so called brilliant New Labour plan for transport has just carried on to what we have today. Without a reliabley frequent public transport system we will have more cars and the problems that come with them. Only idiots, politicians (such as Geraghty) and those NIMBYS who wish to preserve the views from their gardens, while quite happy to use roads which pass other peoples homes, we will have problems. RIGHT NOW WE MUST HAVE A NORTHERN LINK BYPASS. Jabbadad
  • Score: -1

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