Robin Walker has backed a campaign to fully dual a Southern Link road, including Carrington Bridge

The petition calls for the dualling of the Southern Link Road in Worcester, including Carrington Bridge

The petition calls for the dualling of the Southern Link Road in Worcester, including Carrington Bridge

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MP for Worcester, Robin Walker has signed a petition urging the Government and local councils to fully dual the A4440 Southern Link Road.

The petition calls on the authorities to provide the funding to dual the road from Powick roundabout to Junction seven of the M5 motorway, including the Carrington Bridge.

Mr Walker said: "I welcome this public call for investment in a road which I have long believed is a key bottleneck for Worcestershire.

"Dualling the whole of the Southern link would reduce traffic and congestion both in and around Worcester.

"I know there will be strong support for it from the business community and local residents and I look forward to being able to use it in order to press the case in Parliament.”

Campaigner Dr Brian Gladman, of St John's, Worcester, launched the petition today.

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7:01pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Andy_R says...

Let's hope supporters of all political parties will sign this!
Let's hope supporters of all political parties will sign this! Andy_R
  • Score: -9

8:37pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Andy_R says...

Labour candidate Joy Squires and Pirate Party spokesman on culture, media and sport Andrew Robinson (that's me) have signed too.

I wonder if the Greens will join in?
Labour candidate Joy Squires and Pirate Party spokesman on culture, media and sport Andrew Robinson (that's me) have signed too. I wonder if the Greens will join in? Andy_R
  • Score: -11

10:33pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Grumbleweed Connection says...

It will make no difference whatsoever. A Northern link is required.
It will make no difference whatsoever. A Northern link is required. Grumbleweed Connection
  • Score: 16

10:59pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Grumbleweed Connection says...

"Dualling the whole of the Southern link would reduce traffic and congestion both in and around Worcester .

How can dualling a link reduce traffic? It simply puts the same vehicles into two lanes instead of one! Congestion will be similar.
"Dualling the whole of the Southern link would reduce traffic and congestion both in and around Worcester . How can dualling a link reduce traffic? It simply puts the same vehicles into two lanes instead of one! Congestion will be similar. Grumbleweed Connection
  • Score: 10

12:17am Thu 24 Apr 14

Andy_R says...

Some mightily odd voting on this thread,

Grumbleweed Connection, you're right about the northern link being required, but it's just plain daft to say a two lane road will be as congested as one lane one.
Some mightily odd voting on this thread, Grumbleweed Connection, you're right about the northern link being required, but it's just plain daft to say a two lane road will be as congested as one lane one. Andy_R
  • Score: 5

12:24am Thu 24 Apr 14

anarchist says...

It would be nice to have a Northern Link Road but this will remain a 'pipe dream' for many years to come. Even if the money could be found, there will be many objections to any of the routes it could take across land west and north of Worcester.

In contrast, the Southern Link Road will inevitably become a dual carriageway at some point but we need to expedite this as the petition suggests.
It would be nice to have a Northern Link Road but this will remain a 'pipe dream' for many years to come. Even if the money could be found, there will be many objections to any of the routes it could take across land west and north of Worcester. In contrast, the Southern Link Road will inevitably become a dual carriageway at some point but we need to expedite this as the petition suggests. anarchist
  • Score: 4

7:03am Thu 24 Apr 14

voledog says...

It's a pity we don't have a petition for more money to care for the elderly, sick and disabled. Still, I'm sure everyone getting somewhere a few minutes quicker on very short journeys in their cars is much more important.
It's a pity we don't have a petition for more money to care for the elderly, sick and disabled. Still, I'm sure everyone getting somewhere a few minutes quicker on very short journeys in their cars is much more important. voledog
  • Score: -5

8:30am Thu 24 Apr 14

Grumbleweed Connection says...

Andy_R wrote:
Some mightily odd voting on this thread,

Grumbleweed Connection, you're right about the northern link being required, but it's just plain daft to say a two lane road will be as congested as one lane one.
The Southern link has access and exit points, as well as roundabouts to interupt traffic flow. These are the causes of congestion on the link. Doubling the width of the road will have negligible effect on that congestion. I think it is just plain daft to suggest otherwise, and my opinion will cost nothing!
[quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: Some mightily odd voting on this thread, Grumbleweed Connection, you're right about the northern link being required, but it's just plain daft to say a two lane road will be as congested as one lane one.[/p][/quote]The Southern link has access and exit points, as well as roundabouts to interupt traffic flow. These are the causes of congestion on the link. Doubling the width of the road will have negligible effect on that congestion. I think it is just plain daft to suggest otherwise, and my opinion will cost nothing! Grumbleweed Connection
  • Score: 0

8:38am Thu 24 Apr 14

green49 says...

Right Voledog, Agree with your comment;
The highways are a useless lot, its obvious what Worcester needs as reguards improvements to traffic flow but after all these years we still have the same problems, why not use the roads around the city, out towards Hallow, Ombersley there are roads that way which could be upgraded and signed for those who have no need to come through the city.
Right Voledog, Agree with your comment; The highways are a useless lot, its obvious what Worcester needs as reguards improvements to traffic flow but after all these years we still have the same problems, why not use the roads around the city, out towards Hallow, Ombersley there are roads that way which could be upgraded and signed for those who have no need to come through the city. green49
  • Score: 1

9:40am Thu 24 Apr 14

Andy_R says...

Grumbleweed Connection wrote:
Andy_R wrote:
Some mightily odd voting on this thread,

Grumbleweed Connection, you're right about the northern link being required, but it's just plain daft to say a two lane road will be as congested as one lane one.
The Southern link has access and exit points, as well as roundabouts to interupt traffic flow. These are the causes of congestion on the link. Doubling the width of the road will have negligible effect on that congestion. I think it is just plain daft to suggest otherwise, and my opinion will cost nothing!
By your logic, when two lanes of a three lane motorway are closed between junctions, there would be no extra congestion because the junctions are still the same! Every single road in the world has "access and entry points", and as the millions wasted on the feeder lane to the A4440 for traffic joining from junction 6 of the M5 proved, you can't possibly reduce congestion by making it easier to join the back of the queue. As for the roundabouts, isn't it obvious that they would be dualled too?
[quote][p][bold]Grumbleweed Connection[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: Some mightily odd voting on this thread, Grumbleweed Connection, you're right about the northern link being required, but it's just plain daft to say a two lane road will be as congested as one lane one.[/p][/quote]The Southern link has access and exit points, as well as roundabouts to interupt traffic flow. These are the causes of congestion on the link. Doubling the width of the road will have negligible effect on that congestion. I think it is just plain daft to suggest otherwise, and my opinion will cost nothing![/p][/quote]By your logic, when two lanes of a three lane motorway are closed between junctions, there would be no extra congestion because the junctions are still the same! Every single road in the world has "access and entry points", and as the millions wasted on the feeder lane to the A4440 for traffic joining from junction 6 of the M5 proved, you can't possibly reduce congestion by making it easier to join the back of the queue. As for the roundabouts, isn't it obvious that they would be dualled too? Andy_R
  • Score: 2

9:49am Thu 24 Apr 14

anarchist says...

I think the term 'dualling', as used in the petition and elsewhere, is shorthand for the provision of a continuous dual carriageway route between the Powick roundabout and junction 7 of the M5. I doubt that anyone would see this as advocating a sequence of dual carriageways between the existing roundabouts.

However, if you feel that this is unclear, Grumbleweed, you could contact the author of the petition to suggest that this needs to be clarified.
I think the term 'dualling', as used in the petition and elsewhere, is shorthand for the provision of a continuous dual carriageway route between the Powick roundabout and junction 7 of the M5. I doubt that anyone would see this as advocating a sequence of dual carriageways between the existing roundabouts. However, if you feel that this is unclear, Grumbleweed, you could contact the author of the petition to suggest that this needs to be clarified. anarchist
  • Score: 1

10:21am Thu 24 Apr 14

i-cycle says...

The dualling of the southern link may improve things for passing traffic, but its being partly funded by massive new developments that will only increase traffic on the City's roads.

Surely, as the City Council has already suggested its about time the County Council sat down with them to have a good long and hard look at what measures can be introduced to reduce congestion on the City's roads?
The dualling of the southern link may improve things for passing traffic, but its being partly funded by massive new developments that will only increase traffic on the City's roads. Surely, as the City Council has already suggested its about time the County Council sat down with them to have a good long and hard look at what measures can be introduced to reduce congestion on the City's roads? i-cycle
  • Score: 3

7:01pm Thu 24 Apr 14

liketoknow says...

Andy_R wrote:
Some mightily odd voting on this thread,

Grumbleweed Connection, you're right about the northern link being required, but it's just plain daft to say a two lane road will be as congested as one lane one.
depends which way they go when it goes back to one lane
[quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: Some mightily odd voting on this thread, Grumbleweed Connection, you're right about the northern link being required, but it's just plain daft to say a two lane road will be as congested as one lane one.[/p][/quote]depends which way they go when it goes back to one lane liketoknow
  • Score: 0

8:06pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Andy_R says...

liketoknow wrote:
Andy_R wrote:
Some mightily odd voting on this thread,

Grumbleweed Connection, you're right about the northern link being required, but it's just plain daft to say a two lane road will be as congested as one lane one.
depends which way they go when it goes back to one lane
I won't go back to one lane, that's what "dualling" means!
[quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: Some mightily odd voting on this thread, Grumbleweed Connection, you're right about the northern link being required, but it's just plain daft to say a two lane road will be as congested as one lane one.[/p][/quote]depends which way they go when it goes back to one lane[/p][/quote]I won't go back to one lane, that's what "dualling" means! Andy_R
  • Score: -1

10:44pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Lew Smoralz says...

You will drive down the spanking new dual carriageway and then arrive at the Powick end, when it becomes single traffic.

So, now you arrived at the bottleneck a bit quicker and you have a larger car park in which you can wait as the 'pinch-point' slowly lets through the traffic.

All this project will achieve is allowing drivers to arrive at the 'pinch-point' a bit quicker, and then they will have to wait, just as they do now.

This project outweighs even Bodgers bus lanes as an ill-thought out waste of public money..
You will drive down the spanking new dual carriageway and then arrive at the Powick end, when it becomes single traffic. So, now you arrived at the bottleneck a bit quicker and you have a larger car park in which you can wait as the 'pinch-point' slowly lets through the traffic. All this project will achieve is allowing drivers to arrive at the 'pinch-point' a bit quicker, and then they will have to wait, just as they do now. This project outweighs even Bodgers bus lanes as an ill-thought out waste of public money.. Lew Smoralz
  • Score: 1

11:33pm Thu 24 Apr 14

anarchist says...

The westbound traffic arriving at what is now the Powick roundabout splits into three individual traffic streams - one going towards Malvern, one going towards Worcester and one heading west towards Hereford.

So once dualling is complete, two lanes of dual carriageway traffic will disperse into three one or two lane roads. Provided this is done properly (admittedly an assumption), there won't be any pinch point at this location.
The westbound traffic arriving at what is now the Powick roundabout splits into three individual traffic streams - one going towards Malvern, one going towards Worcester and one heading west towards Hereford. So once dualling is complete, two lanes of dual carriageway traffic will disperse into three one or two lane roads. Provided this is done properly (admittedly an assumption), there won't be any pinch point at this location. anarchist
  • Score: -1

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