Send council workers away to learn from the private sector, says incoming chief executive

Clare Marchant, the incoming chief executive of Worcestershire County Council.

Clare Marchant, the incoming chief executive of Worcestershire County Council.

First published in News Worcester News: Tom Edwards by , Political Reporter

COUNCIL workers in Worcestershire could be sent on visits to private companies to learn about "profit and loss" as more services are handed to new providers.

The suggestion has been made by the incoming chief executive of Worcestershire County Council, who says staff will need to be more commercially focused in the years ahead.

Clare Marchant, who is taking over the top job from Trish Haines in June, spent over an hour outlining her vision to a panel of councillors at County Hall yesterday.

She told them she is going into the role with her "eyes wide open" and is determined to shape a better council despite yearly cuts of around £25 million having to be factored into the budgets.

She also said the council has to learn more from the private sector, insisting "smart commercial use of taxpayers money" will be vital.

As your Worcester News revealed in March, around 1,500 in-house jobs will go by 2018 as part of a plan to hand over services to other bodies, including the private sector, charities, the voluntary sector and not-for-profit organisations.

During the debate she even cited John Lewis as the kind of company the council could learn from.

Councillor Ken Pollock, a Conservative, asked her: "For some people in this council profit is a dirty word - I wondered what kind of reassurances you could give them."

Ms Marchant said: "We can't say 'nobody can be allowed to make a profit' because if you do that you risk the quality of the services that can be delivered.

"But there are unreasonable levels of profit and we need to understand that, for us it will be about understanding the financial make-up of what each provider puts in front of us."

During the Q&A she was asked by Labour Councillor Richard Udall if she is prepared to "publish advice" she gives the leader Councillor Adrian Hardman, especially on decisions she privately disagrees with.

Cllr Udall said there is "some sensitivity" around the ways in which the council is changing and appealed for no political bias.

She said: "I realise I represent all 57 members of this council, it's about embracing everyone."

She was also asked about "secondments" for staff to the private sector and said it was a "great idea" she was prepared to back.

"I've been in public service a long time, I remember 10 or 15 years ago a saying 'every £1 you spend is a taxpayers' pound'," she said.

"I'll be looking to instil that culture when it comes to our staff."

She told the panel she knew she had a "difficult balance to strike" in keeping staff happy.

"I want them to feel this is a great place to work, I don't want them to be weary of change," she said.

She also told the panel she was determined to be ambitious about the council's role in promoting Worcestershire's economy.

"We are much more flexible than we were four years ago, we see more flexible working, people expect to change as a result of their yearly appraisals, we're also much better at listening (to the public) through our roadshows," she said.

"I want to be ambitious - 10 or 15 years ago when I first worked in the public sector, it was said that partnership is the key word, but it's not about just talking about it, it's actually about putting 'skin on the game'.

"We believe this council has a key role to play in helping the economy."

Mrs Haines is about to take early retirement from the council, which led to Ms Marchant, the current assistant chief executive, getting the top job.

She joined the council in 2010 and started her career in the private sector, working at Hovis.

She also worked at Deloitte back in 1997, advising employers in the public and private sector on how to modernise, and held a high-ranking position in the NHS for seven years, using a new IT system to change the health service.

The debate took place during a meeting of the overview, scrutiny and performance board.

 

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9:08am Wed 7 May 14

sugarlump says...

this should be fun!
this should be fun! sugarlump
  • Score: 1

10:15am Wed 7 May 14

thesquirrel says...

Good luck to her! Fantastic to see another woman at the helm and with private sector experience.
Good luck to her! Fantastic to see another woman at the helm and with private sector experience. thesquirrel
  • Score: -4

10:16am Wed 7 May 14

MikeA says...

If “there are unreasonable levels of profit” then Ms Marchant should focus on the “competitive tendering” processes within the Council when contracting for services within the marketplace.

“Unreasonable levels of profit” are most likely due to poor procurement practices within the Council.

Setting profit margins for Defence contractors never returned ‘value for money’ for the Ministry of Defence during the 1980s and is not likely to work for Ms Marchant today.

Ms Marchant saying: "We can't say 'nobody can be allowed to make a profit' because if you do that you risk the quality of the services that can be delivered” is naïve and ridiculously silly.

It reads as if Ms Marchant has only recently joined us from the former Soviet Union.

Good procurement processes (and compliance) will quickly deliver ‘value for money’.

There is little point in external placements for staff if they simply return to the existing Council processes.

As always, the Council should focus on better processes and compliance, and less time discussing issues that don’t address root causes.

This article represents very poor focus from Ms Marchant at the start of her leadership.

Very disappointing start – how much are we paying Ms Marchant?
If “there are unreasonable levels of profit” then Ms Marchant should focus on the “competitive tendering” processes within the Council when contracting for services within the marketplace. “Unreasonable levels of profit” are most likely due to poor procurement practices within the Council. Setting profit margins for Defence contractors never returned ‘value for money’ for the Ministry of Defence during the 1980s and is not likely to work for Ms Marchant today. Ms Marchant saying: "We can't say 'nobody can be allowed to make a profit' because if you do that you risk the quality of the services that can be delivered” is naïve and ridiculously silly. It reads as if Ms Marchant has only recently joined us from the former Soviet Union. Good procurement processes (and compliance) will quickly deliver ‘value for money’. There is little point in external placements for staff if they simply return to the existing Council processes. As always, the Council should focus on better processes and compliance, and less time discussing issues that don’t address root causes. This article represents very poor focus from Ms Marchant at the start of her leadership. Very disappointing start – how much are we paying Ms Marchant? MikeA
  • Score: 5

10:59am Wed 7 May 14

green49 says...

We are going from bad to worse with Ms Marchant getting the job, she is arrogant and not approachable, thats not good for staff morale for a start, out of her depth and what an insult to the staff to say ;the council has to learn more from the private sector, insisting "smart commercial use of taxpayers money"

thats like teaching someone to suck eggs, all the council staff i come into contact with are very consious of costs to the public purse and getting value for money and how to go about getting it, something the top paid idiots have NO clue about,

Thats why the council is in the mess its in, wait and see what happens next its going to be even worse oohh and she got the deputy job when it wasnt even advertised now that was another job for the boys again.
We are going from bad to worse with Ms Marchant getting the job, she is arrogant and not approachable, thats not good for staff morale for a start, out of her depth and what an insult to the staff to say ;the council has to learn more from the private sector, insisting "smart commercial use of taxpayers money" thats like teaching someone to suck eggs, all the council staff i come into contact with are very consious of costs to the public purse and getting value for money and how to go about getting it, something the top paid idiots have NO clue about, Thats why the council is in the mess its in, wait and see what happens next its going to be even worse oohh and she got the deputy job when it wasnt even advertised now that was another job for the boys again. green49
  • Score: 32

1:11pm Wed 7 May 14

CJH says...

I fear the worst...
I fear the worst... CJH
  • Score: 15

2:32pm Wed 7 May 14

saucerer says...

This could mean the tax-payer's prayers are finally answered after years of typical council attitudes and working practices. It is high time Worcestershire county council staff bucked-up their ideas and started mirroring the efficient, leaner, value for money and harder working practices of the private sector. We will also see more in return for our money.

I suspect very few council staff have worked in the private sector, so this is a great opportunity for them to understand what working practices should be like, although so many of them will be in for a shock to realise how much harder and efficient the private sector works. In fact, Clare Marchant's approach may worry many council staff on the grounds that they will have to raise their game. But we should all be grateful that someone with private sector experience is finally running Worcestershire county council. Let's hope that her measures go further and we see working hours, salaries and benefits that are in line with the private sector.
This could mean the tax-payer's prayers are finally answered after years of typical council attitudes and working practices. It is high time Worcestershire county council staff bucked-up their ideas and started mirroring the efficient, leaner, value for money and harder working practices of the private sector. We will also see more in return for our money. I suspect very few council staff have worked in the private sector, so this is a great opportunity for them to understand what working practices should be like, although so many of them will be in for a shock to realise how much harder and efficient the private sector works. In fact, Clare Marchant's approach may worry many council staff on the grounds that they will have to raise their game. But we should all be grateful that someone with private sector experience is finally running Worcestershire county council. Let's hope that her measures go further and we see working hours, salaries and benefits that are in line with the private sector. saucerer
  • Score: -28

2:54pm Wed 7 May 14

Fishy says...

saucerer wrote:
This could mean the tax-payer's prayers are finally answered after years of typical council attitudes and working practices. It is high time Worcestershire county council staff bucked-up their ideas and started mirroring the efficient, leaner, value for money and harder working practices of the private sector. We will also see more in return for our money.

I suspect very few council staff have worked in the private sector, so this is a great opportunity for them to understand what working practices should be like, although so many of them will be in for a shock to realise how much harder and efficient the private sector works. In fact, Clare Marchant's approach may worry many council staff on the grounds that they will have to raise their game. But we should all be grateful that someone with private sector experience is finally running Worcestershire county council. Let's hope that her measures go further and we see working hours, salaries and benefits that are in line with the private sector.
I am a council employee who worked in the private sector previously and whilst I cannot speak for the entire organisation more of my team have than not.

Our conditions are already far more like the private sector than ten years ago with stretched budgets, cuts to sick pay etc but if more can be learned then that has to be a good thing.
[quote][p][bold]saucerer[/bold] wrote: This could mean the tax-payer's prayers are finally answered after years of typical council attitudes and working practices. It is high time Worcestershire county council staff bucked-up their ideas and started mirroring the efficient, leaner, value for money and harder working practices of the private sector. We will also see more in return for our money. I suspect very few council staff have worked in the private sector, so this is a great opportunity for them to understand what working practices should be like, although so many of them will be in for a shock to realise how much harder and efficient the private sector works. In fact, Clare Marchant's approach may worry many council staff on the grounds that they will have to raise their game. But we should all be grateful that someone with private sector experience is finally running Worcestershire county council. Let's hope that her measures go further and we see working hours, salaries and benefits that are in line with the private sector.[/p][/quote]I am a council employee who worked in the private sector previously and whilst I cannot speak for the entire organisation more of my team have than not. Our conditions are already far more like the private sector than ten years ago with stretched budgets, cuts to sick pay etc but if more can be learned then that has to be a good thing. Fishy
  • Score: 19

6:59pm Wed 7 May 14

pinkfluff says...

I was always frugal with tax payers money, it always felt more important than "profit and loss" to me.
I was always frugal with tax payers money, it always felt more important than "profit and loss" to me. pinkfluff
  • Score: 9

11:31pm Wed 7 May 14

brooksider says...

John Lewis? Surely she meant Poundland?
John Lewis? Surely she meant Poundland? brooksider
  • Score: 2

2:34am Thu 8 May 14

Jabbadad says...

Nice one brooksider. However since it is the destiny for most of the services previously provided by the councils to be out sourced / privatised with the councils becoming commisioners only, there will be a much higher emphasis on costs than ever before. BUT many of the services that have / are provided by council employees have not been previously experienced by the private sector, so watch this space.
Just look at the mess that came with privatisation of some prisons and related services, with companies eventually pulling out of contracts as unworkable.
Only a fool can't see that the majority of savings by privatisation come from sacking / reducing staff. Which as demonstrated by Care in the Homes has resulted in the 15 minute visits. Thousands of Care Home beds have been lost due to Block Booking policies forcing the homes out of business.
And wages being driven down and more ZERO HOURS contracts is the CONservative theme song, while the bosses and shareholders do very nicely too.
In education we are facing a growing mess with the Accademy's not only from privatisation but religous take overs / monopolies.
Nice one brooksider. However since it is the destiny for most of the services previously provided by the councils to be out sourced / privatised with the councils becoming commisioners only, there will be a much higher emphasis on costs than ever before. BUT many of the services that have / are provided by council employees have not been previously experienced by the private sector, so watch this space. Just look at the mess that came with privatisation of some prisons and related services, with companies eventually pulling out of contracts as unworkable. Only a fool can't see that the majority of savings by privatisation come from sacking / reducing staff. Which as demonstrated by Care in the Homes has resulted in the 15 minute visits. Thousands of Care Home beds have been lost due to Block Booking policies forcing the homes out of business. And wages being driven down and more ZERO HOURS contracts is the CONservative theme song, while the bosses and shareholders do very nicely too. In education we are facing a growing mess with the Accademy's not only from privatisation but religous take overs / monopolies. Jabbadad
  • Score: 2

8:36am Thu 8 May 14

MikeA says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Nice one brooksider. However since it is the destiny for most of the services previously provided by the councils to be out sourced / privatised with the councils becoming commisioners only, there will be a much higher emphasis on costs than ever before. BUT many of the services that have / are provided by council employees have not been previously experienced by the private sector, so watch this space.
Just look at the mess that came with privatisation of some prisons and related services, with companies eventually pulling out of contracts as unworkable.
Only a fool can't see that the majority of savings by privatisation come from sacking / reducing staff. Which as demonstrated by Care in the Homes has resulted in the 15 minute visits. Thousands of Care Home beds have been lost due to Block Booking policies forcing the homes out of business.
And wages being driven down and more ZERO HOURS contracts is the CONservative theme song, while the bosses and shareholders do very nicely too.
In education we are facing a growing mess with the Accademy's not only from privatisation but religous take overs / monopolies.
Jabbadad,

As always, you make interesting and informed observations but you are not addressing the above article and claptrap from Ms Marchant as reported by the Worcester News.

Frankly, I believe many would learn a lot more listening to Councillor Aubrey Tarbuck talking about his experiences as a Council Audit Officer during the 1950s rather than the above claptrap from the likes of Ms Marchant.

Councillor Tarbuck also believes that our present day Councillors don’t have the equivalent substance and fibre of earlier times. This would certainly explain why we read so much claptrap coming from the likes of Ms Marchant.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Nice one brooksider. However since it is the destiny for most of the services previously provided by the councils to be out sourced / privatised with the councils becoming commisioners only, there will be a much higher emphasis on costs than ever before. BUT many of the services that have / are provided by council employees have not been previously experienced by the private sector, so watch this space. Just look at the mess that came with privatisation of some prisons and related services, with companies eventually pulling out of contracts as unworkable. Only a fool can't see that the majority of savings by privatisation come from sacking / reducing staff. Which as demonstrated by Care in the Homes has resulted in the 15 minute visits. Thousands of Care Home beds have been lost due to Block Booking policies forcing the homes out of business. And wages being driven down and more ZERO HOURS contracts is the CONservative theme song, while the bosses and shareholders do very nicely too. In education we are facing a growing mess with the Accademy's not only from privatisation but religous take overs / monopolies.[/p][/quote]Jabbadad, As always, you make interesting and informed observations but you are not addressing the above article and claptrap from Ms Marchant as reported by the Worcester News. Frankly, I believe many would learn a lot more listening to Councillor Aubrey Tarbuck talking about his experiences as a Council Audit Officer during the 1950s rather than the above claptrap from the likes of Ms Marchant. Councillor Tarbuck also believes that our present day Councillors don’t have the equivalent substance and fibre of earlier times. This would certainly explain why we read so much claptrap coming from the likes of Ms Marchant. MikeA
  • Score: 2

9:35am Thu 8 May 14

CJH says...

I wonder if she's considered that once her staff get a taste of life in the private sector they may prefer it, and not return to her Kingdom of Gloom?
I wonder if she's considered that once her staff get a taste of life in the private sector they may prefer it, and not return to her Kingdom of Gloom? CJH
  • Score: 14

9:52am Thu 8 May 14

MikeA says...

CJH wrote:
I wonder if she's considered that once her staff get a taste of life in the private sector they may prefer it, and not return to her Kingdom of Gloom?
There perhaps might be a lucky few but I believe the general reality will be more akin to the experiences of many citizens of the former Soviet Union, i.e. they miss it.
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: I wonder if she's considered that once her staff get a taste of life in the private sector they may prefer it, and not return to her Kingdom of Gloom?[/p][/quote]There perhaps might be a lucky few but I believe the general reality will be more akin to the experiences of many citizens of the former Soviet Union, i.e. they miss it. MikeA
  • Score: -1

12:08pm Thu 8 May 14

EconoXL says...

Can anyoe remind me how that NHS IT project turned out in the end? How much over budget? How long was it delayed?

The waste of money I saw working for Worcestershire was staggering. Most of this happened under management who were recently recruited from the private sector.

Ask where the £4.5 million pound sustainable travel town grant went ;). I processed endless orders for very expensive bicycles that year.
Can anyoe remind me how that NHS IT project turned out in the end? How much over budget? How long was it delayed? The waste of money I saw working for Worcestershire was staggering. Most of this happened under management who were recently recruited from the private sector. Ask where the £4.5 million pound sustainable travel town grant went ;). I processed endless orders for very expensive bicycles that year. EconoXL
  • Score: 9

12:22pm Thu 8 May 14

MikeA says...

EconoXL wrote:
Can anyoe remind me how that NHS IT project turned out in the end? How much over budget? How long was it delayed?

The waste of money I saw working for Worcestershire was staggering. Most of this happened under management who were recently recruited from the private sector.

Ask where the £4.5 million pound sustainable travel town grant went ;). I processed endless orders for very expensive bicycles that year.
In September 2013, the Public Accounts Committee said that although the National Programme for IT had been effectively disbanded in 2011, some large regional contracts and other costs remained outstanding and were still costing the public dearly. It described the former National Programme for IT as one of the "worst and most expensive contracting fiascos" ever.


Originally expected to cost £2.3 billion (bn) over three years, in June 2006 the total cost was estimated by the National Audit Office to be £12.4bn over 10 years, and the NAO also noted that "...it was not demonstrated that the financial value of the benefits exceeds the cost of the Programme".
[quote][p][bold]EconoXL[/bold] wrote: Can anyoe remind me how that NHS IT project turned out in the end? How much over budget? How long was it delayed? The waste of money I saw working for Worcestershire was staggering. Most of this happened under management who were recently recruited from the private sector. Ask where the £4.5 million pound sustainable travel town grant went ;). I processed endless orders for very expensive bicycles that year.[/p][/quote]In September 2013, the Public Accounts Committee said that although the National Programme for IT had been effectively disbanded in 2011, some large regional contracts and other costs remained outstanding and were still costing the public dearly. It described the former National Programme for IT as one of the "worst and most expensive contracting fiascos" ever. Originally expected to cost £2.3 billion (bn) over three years, in June 2006 the total cost was estimated by the National Audit Office to be £12.4bn over 10 years, and the NAO also noted that "...it was not demonstrated that the financial value of the benefits exceeds the cost of the Programme". MikeA
  • Score: 5

12:34pm Thu 8 May 14

Jabbadad says...

Mike A. I happen to be a friend of Aubrey, and unfortunately I seem to have given you the wrong impression in my posting since I am very aware of the position of Ms Marchant, as I am of CONservative pathways.
And of course Ms Marchant will be answerable to the Councillors who at the bidding of the CONservative doctrine from London do the finger clicking. This also applied to Trish Haines. They are but figure-heads to be **** kicked when things go wrong, whilst getting no praise when / if things go right..
Mike A. I happen to be a friend of Aubrey, and unfortunately I seem to have given you the wrong impression in my posting since I am very aware of the position of Ms Marchant, as I am of CONservative pathways. And of course Ms Marchant will be answerable to the Councillors who at the bidding of the CONservative doctrine from London do the finger clicking. This also applied to Trish Haines. They are but figure-heads to be **** kicked when things go wrong, whilst getting no praise when / if things go right.. Jabbadad
  • Score: -3

12:52pm Thu 8 May 14

MikeA says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Mike A. I happen to be a friend of Aubrey, and unfortunately I seem to have given you the wrong impression in my posting since I am very aware of the position of Ms Marchant, as I am of CONservative pathways.
And of course Ms Marchant will be answerable to the Councillors who at the bidding of the CONservative doctrine from London do the finger clicking. This also applied to Trish Haines. They are but figure-heads to be **** kicked when things go wrong, whilst getting no praise when / if things go right..
Jabbadad,

I have great respect for your comments but if our highly paid ‘figure heads’ spout claptrap then what does this mean in terms of value for money regardless of any political preferences?

It can be debated whether it is better to use internal or enteral resources but claptrap from our highly paid ‘figure heads’ is just wasting our money.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Mike A. I happen to be a friend of Aubrey, and unfortunately I seem to have given you the wrong impression in my posting since I am very aware of the position of Ms Marchant, as I am of CONservative pathways. And of course Ms Marchant will be answerable to the Councillors who at the bidding of the CONservative doctrine from London do the finger clicking. This also applied to Trish Haines. They are but figure-heads to be **** kicked when things go wrong, whilst getting no praise when / if things go right..[/p][/quote]Jabbadad, I have great respect for your comments but if our highly paid ‘figure heads’ spout claptrap then what does this mean in terms of value for money regardless of any political preferences? It can be debated whether it is better to use internal or enteral resources but claptrap from our highly paid ‘figure heads’ is just wasting our money. MikeA
  • Score: 0

4:26pm Thu 8 May 14

poontangy says...

In the private sector there is waste/loss and profit, with most of the profit going out of the system rather than invested back into it. Public sector there is waste and surplus, with most of the waste lost due to use of extremely expensive private sector companies who charge for a premium service and sub-sub-sub contract out until the people who are delivering the service are a bunch of kids from a mumbai slum and the end product is s#it. Time and again it happens!
In the private sector there is waste/loss and profit, with most of the profit going out of the system rather than invested back into it. Public sector there is waste and surplus, with most of the waste lost due to use of extremely expensive private sector companies who charge for a premium service and sub-sub-sub contract out until the people who are delivering the service are a bunch of kids from a mumbai slum and the end product is s#it. Time and again it happens! poontangy
  • Score: 5

6:11pm Thu 8 May 14

Jabbadad says...

I agree that the local government system needs overhauling, and the fact that over the past few years we have heard the old adage of if you don't pay these high salaries you won't get the quality of staff required for a particular post.
Well we have paid the high salaries and we have had the high value staff, but the system of control / interferance by the sometimes / frequently inadequate politicians local and national just grinds on & on.
Just look at the planning issues around this county, who is mainly responsible for cocking it up, politicians. I rest my case.
I agree that the local government system needs overhauling, and the fact that over the past few years we have heard the old adage of if you don't pay these high salaries you won't get the quality of staff required for a particular post. Well we have paid the high salaries and we have had the high value staff, but the system of control / interferance by the sometimes / frequently inadequate politicians local and national just grinds on & on. Just look at the planning issues around this county, who is mainly responsible for cocking it up, politicians. I rest my case. Jabbadad
  • Score: 1

6:48pm Thu 8 May 14

Perfman says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Mike A. I happen to be a friend of Aubrey, and unfortunately I seem to have given you the wrong impression in my posting since I am very aware of the position of Ms Marchant, as I am of CONservative pathways.
And of course Ms Marchant will be answerable to the Councillors who at the bidding of the CONservative doctrine from London do the finger clicking. This also applied to Trish Haines. They are but figure-heads to be **** kicked when things go wrong, whilst getting no praise when / if things go right..
I much prefer the conservatives to any champagne socialist twits!
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Mike A. I happen to be a friend of Aubrey, and unfortunately I seem to have given you the wrong impression in my posting since I am very aware of the position of Ms Marchant, as I am of CONservative pathways. And of course Ms Marchant will be answerable to the Councillors who at the bidding of the CONservative doctrine from London do the finger clicking. This also applied to Trish Haines. They are but figure-heads to be **** kicked when things go wrong, whilst getting no praise when / if things go right..[/p][/quote]I much prefer the conservatives to any champagne socialist twits! Perfman
  • Score: 5

6:55pm Thu 8 May 14

Jabbadad says...

Perfman may you reap what you sow.
Perfman may you reap what you sow. Jabbadad
  • Score: 0

7:19pm Thu 8 May 14

DarrenM says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Perfman may you reap what you sow.
agreed hopefully, a leaner more cost effective council, that isn't packed with non-jobs filled by the otherwise unemployable, with nice gold plated pensions, as opposed to Jabbadads alternative who probably wants the entire unemployed of the UK employed by the council on £40,000 a year with 25 weeks holiday ?
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Perfman may you reap what you sow.[/p][/quote]agreed hopefully, a leaner more cost effective council, that isn't packed with non-jobs filled by the otherwise unemployable, with nice gold plated pensions, as opposed to Jabbadads alternative who probably wants the entire unemployed of the UK employed by the council on £40,000 a year with 25 weeks holiday ? DarrenM
  • Score: -2

8:36pm Thu 8 May 14

Keith B says...

DarrenM wrote:
Jabbadad wrote:
Perfman may you reap what you sow.
agreed hopefully, a leaner more cost effective council, that isn't packed with non-jobs filled by the otherwise unemployable, with nice gold plated pensions, as opposed to Jabbadads alternative who probably wants the entire unemployed of the UK employed by the council on £40,000 a year with 25 weeks holiday ?
Well Darren M - I often think your comments are idiotic.

This just reinforces my view that you are a total idiot.
[quote][p][bold]DarrenM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Perfman may you reap what you sow.[/p][/quote]agreed hopefully, a leaner more cost effective council, that isn't packed with non-jobs filled by the otherwise unemployable, with nice gold plated pensions, as opposed to Jabbadads alternative who probably wants the entire unemployed of the UK employed by the council on £40,000 a year with 25 weeks holiday ?[/p][/quote]Well Darren M - I often think your comments are idiotic. This just reinforces my view that you are a total idiot. Keith B
  • Score: 6

12:27am Fri 9 May 14

Jabbadad says...

I agree KB what a load of tosh where have I proposed saleries of £40,000 for all? Sounds like a desperate closet CONservatives who are gounig to experience the wrath of the voters for being what they are. Friends of the Millionaires Robbers of the POOR.
I agree KB what a load of tosh where have I proposed saleries of £40,000 for all? Sounds like a desperate closet CONservatives who are gounig to experience the wrath of the voters for being what they are. Friends of the Millionaires Robbers of the POOR. Jabbadad
  • Score: 3

7:05am Fri 9 May 14

green49 says...

saucerer you at it again spouting off about the Private sector, as i said before i work alongside the WCC staff and Private sector and nearly 90% of whats being done in the care by Private sector firms is, shoddy, untrained and just completely useless in some cases, some have had contracts cancelled because of it, It will cost you and me Taxpayers more money for less service even if you can find a good private service provider,
poontangy is more near the point too, I have seen the contracts subbed out again and again, this last week the council has cancelled so many contracts and support for the vunerable its just staggering, they even cancelled a company contract that was excellent and charged less than £5 per head for warden care per week and are going to put into Private hands that will cost Thousands, utter maddness i could go on and on but people should really be careful what they wish for, also not have this total image that council staff are no good, i think that just comes from a lack of ones own ability.

If you are so dissatisfied with council employees take up your complaints to the managers at the WCC.
saucerer you at it again spouting off about the Private sector, as i said before i work alongside the WCC staff and Private sector and nearly 90% of whats being done in the care by Private sector firms is, shoddy, untrained and just completely useless in some cases, some have had contracts cancelled because of it, It will cost you and me Taxpayers more money for less service even if you can find a good private service provider, poontangy is more near the point too, I have seen the contracts subbed out again and again, this last week the council has cancelled so many contracts and support for the vunerable its just staggering, they even cancelled a company contract that was excellent and charged less than £5 per head for warden care per week and are going to put into Private hands that will cost Thousands, utter maddness i could go on and on but people should really be careful what they wish for, also not have this total image that council staff are no good, i think that just comes from a lack of ones own ability. If you are so dissatisfied with council employees take up your complaints to the managers at the WCC. green49
  • Score: 10

8:13am Fri 9 May 14

poontangy says...

Green49..well said. Be careful what you wish for because you might get it. Do not be fooled by the attempted demonisation of the Public Sector because there is less waste than you think but in the private sector there is more profit than you might think made by people doing business which is borderline fraud .
Green49..well said. Be careful what you wish for because you might get it. Do not be fooled by the attempted demonisation of the Public Sector because there is less waste than you think but in the private sector there is more profit than you might think made by people doing business which is borderline fraud . poontangy
  • Score: 5

10:18am Fri 9 May 14

MikeA says...

green49 wrote:
saucerer you at it again spouting off about the Private sector, as i said before i work alongside the WCC staff and Private sector and nearly 90% of whats being done in the care by Private sector firms is, shoddy, untrained and just completely useless in some cases, some have had contracts cancelled because of it, It will cost you and me Taxpayers more money for less service even if you can find a good private service provider,
poontangy is more near the point too, I have seen the contracts subbed out again and again, this last week the council has cancelled so many contracts and support for the vunerable its just staggering, they even cancelled a company contract that was excellent and charged less than £5 per head for warden care per week and are going to put into Private hands that will cost Thousands, utter maddness i could go on and on but people should really be careful what they wish for, also not have this total image that council staff are no good, i think that just comes from a lack of ones own ability.

If you are so dissatisfied with council employees take up your complaints to the managers at the WCC.
Green49,

I don’t doubt the sincerely of your observations but they don’t penetrate to root causes.

The fundamental concern regarding this WN report is that through accepting re-cycled claptrap from Ms Marchant we reinforce a culture of claptrap and waste.

I have both assisted others and made complaints to WCC regarding legitimate issues based on tangible and documented evidence.

The spin, obstruction, obfuscation, half-truths and distortions is endless.

The local media and Worcester News doesn’t do investigative journalism, Councillors are typically more concerned about not upsetting their own parties and promoting their own image.

If we are paying for poor service then the fault ultimately rests within WCC whether it is through the employment of internal or external resources.

There are numerous possible reasons, e.g. poor procurement practice, poor due diligence, poorly written requirements, poor monitoring, etc.

But any fault ultimately rests with Ms Marchant.

If this article represents Ms Marchant then we can expect a lot more poor service whether delivered through internal or external resources.
[quote][p][bold]green49[/bold] wrote: saucerer you at it again spouting off about the Private sector, as i said before i work alongside the WCC staff and Private sector and nearly 90% of whats being done in the care by Private sector firms is, shoddy, untrained and just completely useless in some cases, some have had contracts cancelled because of it, It will cost you and me Taxpayers more money for less service even if you can find a good private service provider, poontangy is more near the point too, I have seen the contracts subbed out again and again, this last week the council has cancelled so many contracts and support for the vunerable its just staggering, they even cancelled a company contract that was excellent and charged less than £5 per head for warden care per week and are going to put into Private hands that will cost Thousands, utter maddness i could go on and on but people should really be careful what they wish for, also not have this total image that council staff are no good, i think that just comes from a lack of ones own ability. If you are so dissatisfied with council employees take up your complaints to the managers at the WCC.[/p][/quote]Green49, I don’t doubt the sincerely of your observations but they don’t penetrate to root causes. The fundamental concern regarding this WN report is that through accepting re-cycled claptrap from Ms Marchant we reinforce a culture of claptrap and waste. I have both assisted others and made complaints to WCC regarding legitimate issues based on tangible and documented evidence. The spin, obstruction, obfuscation, half-truths and distortions is endless. The local media and Worcester News doesn’t do investigative journalism, Councillors are typically more concerned about not upsetting their own parties and promoting their own image. If we are paying for poor service then the fault ultimately rests within WCC whether it is through the employment of internal or external resources. There are numerous possible reasons, e.g. poor procurement practice, poor due diligence, poorly written requirements, poor monitoring, etc. But any fault ultimately rests with Ms Marchant. If this article represents Ms Marchant then we can expect a lot more poor service whether delivered through internal or external resources. MikeA
  • Score: 1

1:35pm Fri 9 May 14

poontangy says...

She looks quite fit though. Tell her she can come and discuss my private sector anyday.
She looks quite fit though. Tell her she can come and discuss my private sector anyday. poontangy
  • Score: 0

2:18pm Fri 9 May 14

Keith B says...

poontangy wrote:
She looks quite fit though. Tell her she can come and discuss my private sector anyday.
Not a sexist comment or anything !!!! I'd rather have somebody competent, but looking like a bear, than a pretty 40 something who wants to dismantle the Council services and farm it all out to the private sector.
[quote][p][bold]poontangy[/bold] wrote: She looks quite fit though. Tell her she can come and discuss my private sector anyday.[/p][/quote]Not a sexist comment or anything !!!! I'd rather have somebody competent, but looking like a bear, than a pretty 40 something who wants to dismantle the Council services and farm it all out to the private sector. Keith B
  • Score: 5

7:17pm Fri 9 May 14

MikeA says...

Tom Edwards in his ‘The Source’ (published today) is right to expose Councillor Bob Banks’ self-serving and pathetic question to Ms Marchant.

It is weak and self-serving questions from our Councillors that result in the above claptrap from the likes of Ms Marchant.

Although Tom Edwards does appear to be in ‘two minds’ as to precisely which day this week that Councillor Bob Banks (“GRUMP of the week award”) put his self-serving question to Ms Marchant.

The printed version states Wednesday whereas the online version states Tuesday.
Tom Edwards in his ‘The Source’ (published today) is right to expose Councillor Bob Banks’ self-serving and pathetic question to Ms Marchant. It is weak and self-serving questions from our Councillors that result in the above claptrap from the likes of Ms Marchant. Although Tom Edwards does appear to be in ‘two minds’ as to precisely which day this week that Councillor Bob Banks (“GRUMP of the week award”) put his self-serving question to Ms Marchant. The printed version states Wednesday whereas the online version states Tuesday. MikeA
  • Score: -1

8:16pm Fri 9 May 14

poontangy says...

Keith. Obviously sexist. Or it wouldnt be funny. It looks like it is irrelevant who is running the council, this is a capitalist economy and u have ALL benefitted from it with your typical 200 percent increase in property value over the past few decades ( i am assuming only old people are pathetic enough to comment on here) so either put up with it or go to a marxist country....which you also won't like.
Keith. Obviously sexist. Or it wouldnt be funny. It looks like it is irrelevant who is running the council, this is a capitalist economy and u have ALL benefitted from it with your typical 200 percent increase in property value over the past few decades ( i am assuming only old people are pathetic enough to comment on here) so either put up with it or go to a marxist country....which you also won't like. poontangy
  • Score: -1

9:20pm Fri 9 May 14

CJH says...

poontangy wrote:
Keith. Obviously sexist. Or it wouldnt be funny. It looks like it is irrelevant who is running the council, this is a capitalist economy and u have ALL benefitted from it with your typical 200 percent increase in property value over the past few decades ( i am assuming only old people are pathetic enough to comment on here) so either put up with it or go to a marxist country....which you also won't like.
Well, you're pathetic enough to comment on here. Mind you, I'm surprised that you can see the screen from behind that damned great chip on your shoulder. Must be very tricky for you. And if anyone needs to assess your capability for reasoned thought just look up the word poontang. It certainly explains your comments. Yes, pathetic, inadequate and revolting all at the same time. Your family must be so proud.
[quote][p][bold]poontangy[/bold] wrote: Keith. Obviously sexist. Or it wouldnt be funny. It looks like it is irrelevant who is running the council, this is a capitalist economy and u have ALL benefitted from it with your typical 200 percent increase in property value over the past few decades ( i am assuming only old people are pathetic enough to comment on here) so either put up with it or go to a marxist country....which you also won't like.[/p][/quote]Well, you're pathetic enough to comment on here. Mind you, I'm surprised that you can see the screen from behind that damned great chip on your shoulder. Must be very tricky for you. And if anyone needs to assess your capability for reasoned thought just look up the word poontang. It certainly explains your comments. Yes, pathetic, inadequate and revolting all at the same time. Your family must be so proud. CJH
  • Score: 3

9:47am Sat 10 May 14

MikeA says...

The meaning of claptrap:
“1.
pretentious but insincere or empty language: His speeches seem erudite but analysis reveals them to be mere claptrap.
2.
any artifice or expedient for winning applause or impressing the public”
(Dictionary.com)

Did Tom Edwards intend to make Ms Marchant appear to be spouting claptrap or are his quotes representative of her?
The meaning of claptrap: “1. pretentious but insincere or empty language: His speeches seem erudite but analysis reveals them to be mere claptrap. 2. any artifice or expedient for winning applause or impressing the public” (Dictionary.com) Did Tom Edwards intend to make Ms Marchant appear to be spouting claptrap or are his quotes representative of her? MikeA
  • Score: 0

10:05am Sat 10 May 14

poontangy says...

CLH. Screen? You mean you are SO pathetic you sit by a computer and specifically comment on this site?and the fact that you had to google my user name and find it revolting rather than funny is also pathetic. I dont have a chip on my shoulder i was stating a fact. You should all be paying big bucks for council services and most certainly the NHS. No free prescriptions for rich old boots who have nothing to do but comment on here all day. I dont see how my user name affects my reasoning power, the fact I comment on here , well I was being ironic; do old people have ANY sort of humour IQ? Nope too busy whining. Yep parents are proud , still alive, unlike yours and yep i remind them that they did very well with the housing markets so stop moaning about savings not making big returns.
CLH. Screen? You mean you are SO pathetic you sit by a computer and specifically comment on this site?and the fact that you had to google my user name and find it revolting rather than funny is also pathetic. I dont have a chip on my shoulder i was stating a fact. You should all be paying big bucks for council services and most certainly the NHS. No free prescriptions for rich old boots who have nothing to do but comment on here all day. I dont see how my user name affects my reasoning power, the fact I comment on here , well I was being ironic; do old people have ANY sort of humour IQ? Nope too busy whining. Yep parents are proud , still alive, unlike yours and yep i remind them that they did very well with the housing markets so stop moaning about savings not making big returns. poontangy
  • Score: 0

10:20am Sat 10 May 14

poontangy says...

Old people. You cant beat em. Pity. But you can troll em.
Old people. You cant beat em. Pity. But you can troll em. poontangy
  • Score: 0

10:26am Sat 10 May 14

poontangy says...

Family guy: what is the most unattractive name in the English language? Lead character: KEITH. And indeed it is.
Family guy: what is the most unattractive name in the English language? Lead character: KEITH. And indeed it is. poontangy
  • Score: 0

10:49am Sat 10 May 14

poontangy says...

CJH. By the way poontang can mean a variety of things. Including a drink. Why did YOU focus on the vulgar? Filthy old man are you?
CJH. By the way poontang can mean a variety of things. Including a drink. Why did YOU focus on the vulgar? Filthy old man are you? poontangy
  • Score: 0

10:56am Sat 10 May 14

MikeA says...

Perhaps EconoXL already knows this fact, hence his above question.

Richard Granger was a partner at Deloitte Consulting before being appointed the Director General of IT for the NHS in October 2002.

“In October 2006, he was suggested by The Sunday Times to be the highest paid Civil Servant, on a basic of £280,000 per year, £100,000 per year more than former Prime Minister Tony Blair.” (Wikipedia)
Perhaps EconoXL already knows this fact, hence his above question. Richard Granger was a partner at Deloitte Consulting before being appointed the Director General of IT for the NHS in October 2002. “In October 2006, he was suggested by The Sunday Times to be the highest paid Civil Servant, on a basic of £280,000 per year, £100,000 per year more than former Prime Minister Tony Blair.” (Wikipedia) MikeA
  • Score: 0

11:53am Sat 10 May 14

CJH says...

poontangy wrote:
CJH. By the way poontang can mean a variety of things. Including a drink. Why did YOU focus on the vulgar? Filthy old man are you?
I am neither old, nor a man, nor an orphan. I have no savings to 'moan about'. I don't know who you are, but your comments have demonstrated exactly what you are. And it's not nice.
[quote][p][bold]poontangy[/bold] wrote: CJH. By the way poontang can mean a variety of things. Including a drink. Why did YOU focus on the vulgar? Filthy old man are you?[/p][/quote]I am neither old, nor a man, nor an orphan. I have no savings to 'moan about'. I don't know who you are, but your comments have demonstrated exactly what you are. And it's not nice. CJH
  • Score: 2

12:14pm Sat 10 May 14

Jabbadad says...

I fully agree CJH, I thought that we almost had a debating arena here but sometimes some slip through the net and then we have poontangy's.
I fully agree CJH, I thought that we almost had a debating arena here but sometimes some slip through the net and then we have poontangy's. Jabbadad
  • Score: 3

12:32pm Sat 10 May 14

MikeA says...

“The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit,
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.”

(Omar Khayyám)

“18 The way of the good person is like the light of dawn, growing brighter and brighter until full daylight. 19 But the wicked walk around in the dark; they can't even see what makes them stumble. 20 My child, pay attention to my words; listen closely to what I say. 21 Don't ever forget my words; keep them always in mind. 22 They are the key to life for those who find them; they bring health to the whole body. 23 Be careful what you think, because your thoughts run your life. 24 Don't use your mouth to tell lies; don't ever say things that are not true. 25 Keep your eyes focused on what is right, and look straight ahead to what is good. 26 Be careful what you do, and always do what is right. 27 Don't turn off the road of goodness; keep away from evil paths.”

(Proverbs 4:18-27 (New Century Version))


It is for this reason that we should pay careful attention to the words of Ms Marchant because she is “responsible for well over 3,500 jobs, a £330 million yearly budget and life-and-death services like children and adult's social care, not to mention schools” (Tom Edwards, WN, 09/05/2014).
“The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit, Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.” (Omar Khayyám) “18 The way of the good person is like the light of dawn, growing brighter and brighter until full daylight. 19 But the wicked walk around in the dark; they can't even see what makes them stumble. 20 My child, pay attention to my words; listen closely to what I say. 21 Don't ever forget my words; keep them always in mind. 22 They are the key to life for those who find them; they bring health to the whole body. 23 Be careful what you think, because your thoughts run your life. 24 Don't use your mouth to tell lies; don't ever say things that are not true. 25 Keep your eyes focused on what is right, and look straight ahead to what is good. 26 Be careful what you do, and always do what is right. 27 Don't turn off the road of goodness; keep away from evil paths.” (Proverbs 4:18-27 (New Century Version)) It is for this reason that we should pay careful attention to the words of Ms Marchant because she is “responsible for well over 3,500 jobs, a £330 million yearly budget and life-and-death services like children and adult's social care, not to mention schools” (Tom Edwards, WN, 09/05/2014). MikeA
  • Score: 0

1:54pm Sat 10 May 14

pinkfluff says...

poontangy wrote:
CJH. By the way poontang can mean a variety of things. Including a drink. Why did YOU focus on the vulgar? Filthy old man are you?
You are a total douche. I have reported your name to the WN because I know you think it's terribly funny and clever to try to get away with it.

The only filth on this site is you!! Vile, disgusting and pathetic comments.
[quote][p][bold]poontangy[/bold] wrote: CJH. By the way poontang can mean a variety of things. Including a drink. Why did YOU focus on the vulgar? Filthy old man are you?[/p][/quote]You are a total douche. I have reported your name to the WN because I know you think it's terribly funny and clever to try to get away with it. The only filth on this site is you!! Vile, disgusting and pathetic comments. pinkfluff
  • Score: 3

2:00pm Sat 10 May 14

CJH says...

pinkfluff wrote:
poontangy wrote:
CJH. By the way poontang can mean a variety of things. Including a drink. Why did YOU focus on the vulgar? Filthy old man are you?
You are a total douche. I have reported your name to the WN because I know you think it's terribly funny and clever to try to get away with it.

The only filth on this site is you!! Vile, disgusting and pathetic comments.
Yay for Pinkfluff!!!!!! He (or she) has started putting stupid remarks against my comments on other stories as well. Am I being stalked? That's illegal isn't it. Maybe I should just pass the details to the police and let them deal with it.
[quote][p][bold]pinkfluff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poontangy[/bold] wrote: CJH. By the way poontang can mean a variety of things. Including a drink. Why did YOU focus on the vulgar? Filthy old man are you?[/p][/quote]You are a total douche. I have reported your name to the WN because I know you think it's terribly funny and clever to try to get away with it. The only filth on this site is you!! Vile, disgusting and pathetic comments.[/p][/quote]Yay for Pinkfluff!!!!!! He (or she) has started putting stupid remarks against my comments on other stories as well. Am I being stalked? That's illegal isn't it. Maybe I should just pass the details to the police and let them deal with it. CJH
  • Score: 4

3:00pm Sat 10 May 14

Roger5 says...

The best examples that council employees can learn from are surely what's being done in high-performing local authorities, not from private sector organisations which have entirely different structures goals and politics. Commercial organisations are not answerable to tax-payers, nor elected officials in local and central government for starters, and they are less concerned with value for money and social ideals. To consider them directly comparable is naive.

I believe (as I worked for the *successful* NHS organisation that pre-dated the NHS/Granger National Programme for IT disaster), that the reason it failed was that the application architecture was utterly wrong and the belief that the private sector could do it better then the NHS itself was fundamentally flawed. It also didn't help that consortia were only given about 1 month to respond to invitations to tender. One big mistake piled up on another. Granger had implemented London congestion charging prior to appointment. The next director had been CIO at Cadbury and before that BP. No NHS experience with either of them. So this doesn't bode well for a Chief Exec with little LA experience in my view.
The best examples that council employees can learn from are surely what's being done in high-performing local authorities, not from private sector organisations which have entirely different structures goals and politics. Commercial organisations are not answerable to tax-payers, nor elected officials in local and central government for starters, and they are less concerned with value for money and social ideals. To consider them directly comparable is naive. I believe (as I worked for the *successful* NHS organisation that pre-dated the NHS/Granger National Programme for IT disaster), that the reason it failed was that the application architecture was utterly wrong and the belief that the private sector could do it better then the NHS itself was fundamentally flawed. It also didn't help that consortia were only given about 1 month to respond to invitations to tender. One big mistake piled up on another. Granger had implemented London congestion charging prior to appointment. The next director had been CIO at Cadbury and before that BP. No NHS experience with either of them. So this doesn't bode well for a Chief Exec with little LA experience in my view. Roger5
  • Score: 3

3:55pm Sat 10 May 14

Jabbadad says...

The report this post is very good. If the poster is seen as an undesireable they will be removed.
The report this post is very good. If the poster is seen as an undesireable they will be removed. Jabbadad
  • Score: 0

4:15pm Sat 10 May 14

Keith B says...

CJH wrote:
poontangy wrote:
CJH. By the way poontang can mean a variety of things. Including a drink. Why did YOU focus on the vulgar? Filthy old man are you?
I am neither old, nor a man, nor an orphan. I have no savings to 'moan about'. I don't know who you are, but your comments have demonstrated exactly what you are. And it's not nice.
Don't encourage the child by replying. A village somewhere is clearly missing it's idiot.
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poontangy[/bold] wrote: CJH. By the way poontang can mean a variety of things. Including a drink. Why did YOU focus on the vulgar? Filthy old man are you?[/p][/quote]I am neither old, nor a man, nor an orphan. I have no savings to 'moan about'. I don't know who you are, but your comments have demonstrated exactly what you are. And it's not nice.[/p][/quote]Don't encourage the child by replying. A village somewhere is clearly missing it's idiot. Keith B
  • Score: 2

4:26pm Sat 10 May 14

CJH says...

Keith B wrote:
CJH wrote:
poontangy wrote:
CJH. By the way poontang can mean a variety of things. Including a drink. Why did YOU focus on the vulgar? Filthy old man are you?
I am neither old, nor a man, nor an orphan. I have no savings to 'moan about'. I don't know who you are, but your comments have demonstrated exactly what you are. And it's not nice.
Don't encourage the child by replying. A village somewhere is clearly missing it's idiot.
I haven't replied to any of his/her comments directed at me on other stories. Besides he/she doesn't really need any help to look even more stupid do they? I suspect like most kids he/she will eventually get bored, or parents will take away his computer privileges.
[quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poontangy[/bold] wrote: CJH. By the way poontang can mean a variety of things. Including a drink. Why did YOU focus on the vulgar? Filthy old man are you?[/p][/quote]I am neither old, nor a man, nor an orphan. I have no savings to 'moan about'. I don't know who you are, but your comments have demonstrated exactly what you are. And it's not nice.[/p][/quote]Don't encourage the child by replying. A village somewhere is clearly missing it's idiot.[/p][/quote]I haven't replied to any of his/her comments directed at me on other stories. Besides he/she doesn't really need any help to look even more stupid do they? I suspect like most kids he/she will eventually get bored, or parents will take away his computer privileges. CJH
  • Score: 2

5:34pm Sat 10 May 14

pinkfluff says...

CJH wrote:
pinkfluff wrote:
poontangy wrote:
CJH. By the way poontang can mean a variety of things. Including a drink. Why did YOU focus on the vulgar? Filthy old man are you?
You are a total douche. I have reported your name to the WN because I know you think it's terribly funny and clever to try to get away with it.

The only filth on this site is you!! Vile, disgusting and pathetic comments.
Yay for Pinkfluff!!!!!! He (or she) has started putting stupid remarks against my comments on other stories as well. Am I being stalked? That's illegal isn't it. Maybe I should just pass the details to the police and let them deal with it.
I'm guessing it's a man. I'm also guessing that he has used distasteful names in the past too. ALL of which I had to report to the WN because they didn't notice. I think he is a fool.
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pinkfluff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poontangy[/bold] wrote: CJH. By the way poontang can mean a variety of things. Including a drink. Why did YOU focus on the vulgar? Filthy old man are you?[/p][/quote]You are a total douche. I have reported your name to the WN because I know you think it's terribly funny and clever to try to get away with it. The only filth on this site is you!! Vile, disgusting and pathetic comments.[/p][/quote]Yay for Pinkfluff!!!!!! He (or she) has started putting stupid remarks against my comments on other stories as well. Am I being stalked? That's illegal isn't it. Maybe I should just pass the details to the police and let them deal with it.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing it's a man. I'm also guessing that he has used distasteful names in the past too. ALL of which I had to report to the WN because they didn't notice. I think he is a fool. pinkfluff
  • Score: 0

6:24pm Sat 10 May 14

MikeA says...

Roger5 wrote:
The best examples that council employees can learn from are surely what's being done in high-performing local authorities, not from private sector organisations which have entirely different structures goals and politics. Commercial organisations are not answerable to tax-payers, nor elected officials in local and central government for starters, and they are less concerned with value for money and social ideals. To consider them directly comparable is naive.

I believe (as I worked for the *successful* NHS organisation that pre-dated the NHS/Granger National Programme for IT disaster), that the reason it failed was that the application architecture was utterly wrong and the belief that the private sector could do it better then the NHS itself was fundamentally flawed. It also didn't help that consortia were only given about 1 month to respond to invitations to tender. One big mistake piled up on another. Granger had implemented London congestion charging prior to appointment. The next director had been CIO at Cadbury and before that BP. No NHS experience with either of them. So this doesn't bode well for a Chief Exec with little LA experience in my view.
I witnessed too many consultants with big egos sending too many emails across commercial boundaries with no understanding for the most basic procurement principles hence completely compromising accountabilities and boundaries.

Pigs at the Trough?

I witnessed one large central consultancy simply repackaging complete requirement documents without adding any value and backing them off down the food chain.

This apparently brings us back to Ms Marchant!
[quote][p][bold]Roger5[/bold] wrote: The best examples that council employees can learn from are surely what's being done in high-performing local authorities, not from private sector organisations which have entirely different structures goals and politics. Commercial organisations are not answerable to tax-payers, nor elected officials in local and central government for starters, and they are less concerned with value for money and social ideals. To consider them directly comparable is naive. I believe (as I worked for the *successful* NHS organisation that pre-dated the NHS/Granger National Programme for IT disaster), that the reason it failed was that the application architecture was utterly wrong and the belief that the private sector could do it better then the NHS itself was fundamentally flawed. It also didn't help that consortia were only given about 1 month to respond to invitations to tender. One big mistake piled up on another. Granger had implemented London congestion charging prior to appointment. The next director had been CIO at Cadbury and before that BP. No NHS experience with either of them. So this doesn't bode well for a Chief Exec with little LA experience in my view.[/p][/quote]I witnessed too many consultants with big egos sending too many emails across commercial boundaries with no understanding for the most basic procurement principles hence completely compromising accountabilities and boundaries. Pigs at the Trough? I witnessed one large central consultancy simply repackaging complete requirement documents without adding any value and backing them off down the food chain. This apparently brings us back to Ms Marchant! MikeA
  • Score: 3

7:02pm Mon 12 May 14

Nortynorse says...

I "moved" from the public sector (Worcester City Council) 2 years ago thanks to managerial incompetence, they are still paying for it now and I wholeheartedly agree with Ms Marchant's thinking, it is LONG OVERDUE.

The days of sitting around having a meeting for a meeting are long gone, however in some departments I know it still goes on!!! I now work in the private sector and have recently come out of a FOUR WEEK compliance audit, try that Worcestershire County Council.

Lets hope Ms Marchant's plan does come to fruition and is not stifled by the old guard in the chamber. And lets audit and comply properly and correctly and not police ourselves as what now goes on in the highways dept (Regularly)!!!!!
I "moved" from the public sector (Worcester City Council) 2 years ago thanks to managerial incompetence, they are still paying for it now and I wholeheartedly agree with Ms Marchant's thinking, it is LONG OVERDUE. The days of sitting around having a meeting for a meeting are long gone, however in some departments I know it still goes on!!! I now work in the private sector and have recently come out of a FOUR WEEK compliance audit, try that Worcestershire County Council. Lets hope Ms Marchant's plan does come to fruition and is not stifled by the old guard in the chamber. And lets audit and comply properly and correctly and not police ourselves as what now goes on in the highways dept (Regularly)!!!!! Nortynorse
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8:32am Tue 13 May 14

MikeA says...

Nortynorse wrote:
I "moved" from the public sector (Worcester City Council) 2 years ago thanks to managerial incompetence, they are still paying for it now and I wholeheartedly agree with Ms Marchant's thinking, it is LONG OVERDUE.

The days of sitting around having a meeting for a meeting are long gone, however in some departments I know it still goes on!!! I now work in the private sector and have recently come out of a FOUR WEEK compliance audit, try that Worcestershire County Council.

Lets hope Ms Marchant's plan does come to fruition and is not stifled by the old guard in the chamber. And lets audit and comply properly and correctly and not police ourselves as what now goes on in the highways dept (Regularly)!!!!!
Many years ago HMCE sent their staff on placements with private companies.

The staff that I talked with simply appreciated that their life was much more secure and comfortable within HMCE than the private sector.

The staff returned to their existing environment and culture.

Change eventually came for HMCE when it was forced to merge with the IR.
[quote][p][bold]Nortynorse[/bold] wrote: I "moved" from the public sector (Worcester City Council) 2 years ago thanks to managerial incompetence, they are still paying for it now and I wholeheartedly agree with Ms Marchant's thinking, it is LONG OVERDUE. The days of sitting around having a meeting for a meeting are long gone, however in some departments I know it still goes on!!! I now work in the private sector and have recently come out of a FOUR WEEK compliance audit, try that Worcestershire County Council. Lets hope Ms Marchant's plan does come to fruition and is not stifled by the old guard in the chamber. And lets audit and comply properly and correctly and not police ourselves as what now goes on in the highways dept (Regularly)!!!!![/p][/quote]Many years ago HMCE sent their staff on placements with private companies. The staff that I talked with simply appreciated that their life was much more secure and comfortable within HMCE than the private sector. The staff returned to their existing environment and culture. Change eventually came for HMCE when it was forced to merge with the IR. MikeA
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