Park and ride to be scrapped

Park and ride to be scrapped

Park and ride is being axed in Worcester

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Worcester News: Tom Edwards by , Political Reporter

PARK and rides in Worcester are being completely scrapped - and bus services across the county axed or downgraded in a shock cull.

After months of deliberation, Worcestershire County Council is about to finalise controversial public transport cuts.

It includes:

- Both of Worcester's park and ride sites at Perdiswell and Sixways will be shut down in September

- 13 bus services will be scrapped, at least five will charge increased fares and only 17 of the 97 under review will remain exactly the same as now

- 52 bus routes will provide either 'similar' or downgraded services, with less frequent pick-ups for many of them

A new report, which is due to be debated by the Conservative cabinet today, spells out how £1.6 million will be saved by the move.

It follows a massive public consultation which more than 8,500 people responded to, an unprecedented tally for the council, pleading for bus services to avoid the chop.

The council spends £3 million a year on subsidising buses, particularly weekend and evening services and pick-ups in rural areas.

Last year it announced a proposal to reduce it to nothing, but after a public outcry reduced the saving to £1.6 million from September.

In recent months the council has been trying to take on a private operator fro both park and rides, but could not find any takers.

The Perdiswell site, which opened to much fanfare in 2001, cost taxpayers £2.5 million and peaked in 2008 when 450,000 people used it, with a 68p subsidy per trip.

But its popularity dwindled in recent years and usage fell to 274,000 in 2013/14.

The Sixways service, which takes people to Worcestershire Royal Hospital, cost £5.8 million to open in 2009 but only attracted 63,596 customers last year - with the public purse subsidy £1.66p per user.

The impending closures of both sites was yesterday labelled a "disaster" for Worcestershire, especially as only five years ago the county council's leadership revealed it wanted to create more in areas like Claines, Lower Broadheath and St Peter's.

The shock decision comes after months of concern about their dwindling popularity, with the sites losing £250,000 a year.

Councillor John Smith, cabinet member for transport and highways, said: "On some days we have less than 200 cars on the park and rides - it's simply not sustainable."

He added: "The financial challenge the council is facing means we have tough choices to make as we continue to look at how we spend taxpayers' money is spent - this is one such issue."

He said 80 per cent of the county's bus services will remain the same as they do not require subsides, despite the cuts.

But Councillor Richard Udall, from the opposition Labour group, said: "This is gut-wrenching news and will leave so many people out in the cold.

"No park and ride is a complete disaster for Worcestershire, it's an outrage to cut it in such a cavalier, dramatic way. I'm shocked."

IT WILL ONLY INCREASE CONGESTION, SAY CRITICS

CRITICS say scrapping park and ride services in Worcester will only increase congestion - and are pleading for a re-think.

Worcester Green Party says it is prepared to launch a campaign to get the county council to do a u-turn on ditching both sites.

Councillor Matthew Jenkins, the county council's lone Green, says more effort should have been made to promote the facilities better.

"We had a meeting about it on Friday and I made the point that the front page of Friday's Worcester News was about the congestion being bad," he said.

"It's bizarre, to me it seems very short-term - surely we need to be thinking about where we want Worcester to be in 20 years time.

"How will we reduce the city's traffic? All this will lead to is more cars and more pollution.

"The council say people don't see buses as a priority according to the surveys they do, but if you ask people in Worcester, the main issue they raise is congestion."

Councillor John Smith, the cabinet member responsible for traffic, says he expects the overall impact to be "minimal".

He also said of the 52 routes where "similar" timetables will launch from September, any downgrading might not be as bad as feared.

"The tenders (contracts bus companies sign) are not up until the end of June and then we should be clear on the changes," he said.

"Of those routes where we say it will be similar timetables it may go from half-an-hour to an hour, or two-hourly instead of every hour, or it may stay the same."

He said if the council went ahead with the old plan to axe the whole £3 million yearly transport subsidy, services would have been hit far worse.

A handful of routes are even being improved, like the 26/27 Worcester to Dines Green on Friday and Saturday evenings, after operators agreed to put on extra buses.

Bus passengers say they have mixed views about the cuts.

Pensioner Dorothy Hughes, 71, from St John's is a regular on the 31A from Worcester to Worcestershire Royal Hospital, which is going hourly and scrapping Sunday and some evening pick-ups.

"I'm glad they haven't got rid of it altogether, it's vital for me," she said.

"There is some sense of relief, I suppose, but I don't know why they are taking any money away from buses in the first place.

"If you can't make it a priority, I don't know why I paid my taxes."

JUST SOME OF THE MAJOR BUS CHANGES PLANNED

23 Worcester-Blanquettes Avenue-Longfellow Road-Worcester Service not being replaced

31A / 31C Worcester-Worcestershire Royal Hospital-Warndon-Worcester Service retained but reduced to hourly between the city, Bilford Road and Warndon.

Service in the evening retained between Henwick Park, university, Arena, city and hospital only other evening and Sunday journeys withdrawn

32 Northwick (New Inn)-Worcester via Ombersley Road Friday and Saturday evenings, evening journeys not being replaced

33A / 34A Worcester - Tolladine - Warndon - Lyppard Centre - Tunnel Hill - Worcester: Friday and Saturday evenings, evening journeys not being replaced

41-43 Upton-upon-Severn-Great Malvern via Welland, Hanley Swan, Malvern Wells Service reduced to hourly between Upton and Malvern

166 Worcester-Stratford via Evesham, Bidford-on-Avon: Sundays Service not being replaced.

356-8 Worcester-Droitwich/Grafton Flyford via Crowle, Tibberton, Shernal Green

Similar level of revised service to be provided for journeys towards Worcester but service to Droitwich to be discontinued and Oddingley/Shernal Green will not be served

382 Worcester-Pershore via Norton, Littleworth, Defford, Eckington: Friday and Saturday evenings Evening journeys not being replaced

500 Burford-Leominster via Tenbury, Kimbolton: Friday only Service not being replaced

551 Worcester-Evesham via Drakes Broughton, Pershore, Fladbury: Friday and Saturday evenings Evening journeys not being replaced

564/565 Pershore Inkberrow-Evesham-Elmley Castle-Pershore, Wychavon -Hopper Reduced level of service to be provided with current school movements accommodated

582 Evesham-Hampton-Fairfield- Evesham Saturday service Reduced level of service may be provided

R4 Willersey-Broadway-Evesham: Early morning Early morning journeys may be withdrawn

S1 Droitwich - Blessed Edward Oldcorne School Service retained, with increased fares

S2 Droitwich/Primsland-Blessed Edward Oldcorne School via Fernhill Heath Service retained, with increased fares

S3 Blackpole-Blessed Edward Oldcorne School via Warndon, Warndon Villages Revised network of services from Worcester estates to Blessed Edward Oldcorne School will provide for current student movements - increased fares

S4/S6 Warndon Villages-Blessed Edward Oldcorne School Revised network of services from Worcester estates to Blessed Edward Oldcorne School will provide for current student movements - increased fares.

Both park and rides axed

* The rest of the routes under threat will either stay the same, see minor improvements or are expected to provide similar or slightly worse services from September subject to talks.

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9:23am Mon 9 Jun 14

Ted Elgar says...

It failed because of the lack of parking restrictions in the roads around town. oxford's park and ride is a runaway success because you can't park for free within 2 miles of the town centre.
It failed because of the lack of parking restrictions in the roads around town. oxford's park and ride is a runaway success because you can't park for free within 2 miles of the town centre. Ted Elgar
  • Score: 22

9:53am Mon 9 Jun 14

Slobbin says...

Also, I know others won't agree, but the congestion down the Tything just isn't bad enough to make P&R attractive. Worcester is so small, once you're at Perdiswell, it's what, possibly an extra 10mins if the traffic is slow? You might as well stick it out.
Also, I know others won't agree, but the congestion down the Tything just isn't bad enough to make P&R attractive. Worcester is so small, once you're at Perdiswell, it's what, possibly an extra 10mins if the traffic is slow? You might as well stick it out. Slobbin
  • Score: 17

10:27am Mon 9 Jun 14

brooksider says...

Ted Elgar wrote:
It failed because of the lack of parking restrictions in the roads around town. oxford's park and ride is a runaway success because you can't park for free within 2 miles of the town centre.
It is also scale.
Oxford attracts 9.5 million visitors a year.

The park and rides were bound to fail, due to the numerous reasons previously quoted.
Unfortunately we have people in power that would rather spend Taxpayers money on Consultants and ignoring the obvious.

The shambles was typified by the fact they had to employ someone at Perdiswell to explain how to use the complicated ticket machine.
[quote][p][bold]Ted Elgar[/bold] wrote: It failed because of the lack of parking restrictions in the roads around town. oxford's park and ride is a runaway success because you can't park for free within 2 miles of the town centre.[/p][/quote]It is also scale. Oxford attracts 9.5 million visitors a year. The park and rides were bound to fail, due to the numerous reasons previously quoted. Unfortunately we have people in power that would rather spend Taxpayers money on Consultants and ignoring the obvious. The shambles was typified by the fact they had to employ someone at Perdiswell to explain how to use the complicated ticket machine. brooksider
  • Score: 18

10:38am Mon 9 Jun 14

CJH says...

Can we claim the money back from Clr Prodger and his cronies?
Can we claim the money back from Clr Prodger and his cronies? CJH
  • Score: 21

10:40am Mon 9 Jun 14

Jabbadad says...

It's failed because the CONservatives who have been in power during the dramatically falling numbers did not respond.
Business people I think not.
And the only times you can travel quite easily along the Tything and through Pheasant street and the City Centre are Sundays and the evenings.
It's failed because the CONservatives who have been in power during the dramatically falling numbers did not respond. Business people I think not. And the only times you can travel quite easily along the Tything and through Pheasant street and the City Centre are Sundays and the evenings. Jabbadad
  • Score: -2

10:47am Mon 9 Jun 14

Perfman says...

Jabbadad wrote:
It's failed because the CONservatives who have been in power during the dramatically falling numbers did not respond.
Business people I think not.
And the only times you can travel quite easily along the Tything and through Pheasant street and the City Centre are Sundays and the evenings.
Shame LAIRbour are also involved
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: It's failed because the CONservatives who have been in power during the dramatically falling numbers did not respond. Business people I think not. And the only times you can travel quite easily along the Tything and through Pheasant street and the City Centre are Sundays and the evenings.[/p][/quote]Shame LAIRbour are also involved Perfman
  • Score: 10

10:48am Mon 9 Jun 14

Keith B says...

Sorry, have I read this correctly - didn't we just read a report that said Worcester is third in the UK most congested places. So we cut public transport ???? Meanwhile the staff at County Hall are having their car parking restricted in order to encourage them to use public transport (and bycycles). We've just spent millions on daft bus lanes and silly traffic lights at Dines Green Junctions as well as the park and ride site at Sixways.

Is this the politics of the madhouse. Actually yes it is. What happened to the commitment to an agenda symbolised by the Tory Party tree logo and the Tory claim of being the greenest government of all time which I'm sure Mr Hardman totally supported when it was announced?

Or are we now so focused on cutting local government funding that we may as well cut out the local government tier all together and centralise all services to Whitehall.

We've cut to the bone - we are now cutting INTO the bone and it isn't going to stop there. These cuts are just a symbol of a demise of local democracy and centralisation supported by both Labour, LibDems and Conservatives who want to gather all power into a small cabal at the heart of the Party system at a time when the Country is trying to free itself of dogmatic Party politicians - which is of course why they are doing it.
Sorry, have I read this correctly - didn't we just read a report that said Worcester is third in the UK most congested places. So we cut public transport ???? Meanwhile the staff at County Hall are having their car parking restricted in order to encourage them to use public transport (and bycycles). We've just spent millions on daft bus lanes and silly traffic lights at Dines Green Junctions as well as the park and ride site at Sixways. Is this the politics of the madhouse. Actually yes it is. What happened to the commitment to an agenda symbolised by the Tory Party tree logo and the Tory claim of being the greenest government of all time which I'm sure Mr Hardman totally supported when it was announced? Or are we now so focused on cutting local government funding that we may as well cut out the local government tier all together and centralise all services to Whitehall. We've cut to the bone - we are now cutting INTO the bone and it isn't going to stop there. These cuts are just a symbol of a demise of local democracy and centralisation supported by both Labour, LibDems and Conservatives who want to gather all power into a small cabal at the heart of the Party system at a time when the Country is trying to free itself of dogmatic Party politicians - which is of course why they are doing it. Keith B
  • Score: 32

10:59am Mon 9 Jun 14

Slobbin says...

I think the congestion is worst in other parts (over the bridge, london road, motorway junctions) and also doesn't really affect people who want to go into town.

The bus lane/park & ride strategy does seem to have been badly handled, but I think the real problem is that the council has no money and is retrenching its priorities. So basically can't afford to have the "nice to have" green stuff.

If the government had made "green things" a statutory duty, it would be being provided whatever. (Then no doubt, we'd all be complaining that money was being spent on the wrong things...)
I think the congestion is worst in other parts (over the bridge, london road, motorway junctions) and also doesn't really affect people who want to go into town. The bus lane/park & ride strategy does seem to have been badly handled, but I think the real problem is that the council has no money and is retrenching its priorities. So basically can't afford to have the "nice to have" green stuff. If the government had made "green things" a statutory duty, it would be being provided whatever. (Then no doubt, we'd all be complaining that money was being spent on the wrong things...) Slobbin
  • Score: 7

11:04am Mon 9 Jun 14

Jabbadad says...

Perfman I think you may find that Bus services are the responsabilty of the County Council as is Park & Ride.
Perfman I think you may find that Bus services are the responsabilty of the County Council as is Park & Ride. Jabbadad
  • Score: 4

11:15am Mon 9 Jun 14

perdiswellpain says...

This is another service to be scrapped form a council who want's to either commission services out to contract, Or scrap them altogether. But we don't see the amount of councillors reduced do we.
The council needs to open there eyes and look at what is happening around them people will end up going to other towns to go shopping with better transport links and less traffic
This is another service to be scrapped form a council who want's to either commission services out to contract, Or scrap them altogether. But we don't see the amount of councillors reduced do we. The council needs to open there eyes and look at what is happening around them people will end up going to other towns to go shopping with better transport links and less traffic perdiswellpain
  • Score: 14

11:55am Mon 9 Jun 14

Mike5305 says...

Does the leader of the councils taxpayer funded Jaguar count as public transport?
Does the leader of the councils taxpayer funded Jaguar count as public transport? Mike5305
  • Score: 27

12:04pm Mon 9 Jun 14

BAC says...

No one has mentioned the reason park and ride failed is the cost! Four people or even two adults and two children and it's cheaper to park in the town! As a "bus pass" user, I can go to Gloucester, Cheltenham and Exeter and park and ride absolutely free, unlike Worcester where I have to pay parking fee!!! Cheltenham p & r is always busy! So why isn't Worcesters? The p & r at Sixways was always a white elephant because it doesn't open on match days although the siting, just of the motorway should have made it as busy as Cheltenham! Go and look at Cheltenham and Gloucester and ask why they are successful - low costs and 10 minute service!
No one has mentioned the reason park and ride failed is the cost! Four people or even two adults and two children and it's cheaper to park in the town! As a "bus pass" user, I can go to Gloucester, Cheltenham and Exeter and park and ride absolutely free, unlike Worcester where I have to pay parking fee!!! Cheltenham p & r is always busy! So why isn't Worcesters? The p & r at Sixways was always a white elephant because it doesn't open on match days although the siting, just of the motorway should have made it as busy as Cheltenham! Go and look at Cheltenham and Gloucester and ask why they are successful - low costs and 10 minute service! BAC
  • Score: 29

12:34pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Jabbadad says...

BAC you are asking the CONservative Councillors to show some initiative, other than following orders from LONDON. Ha Ha.
I expect when Hardman goes up to his meetings in London he probably gets a Pewter Pot or some other valuable award for being among the most comformed / obedient CONservative Councils in the UK..
BAC you are asking the CONservative Councillors to show some initiative, other than following orders from LONDON. Ha Ha. I expect when Hardman goes up to his meetings in London he probably gets a Pewter Pot or some other valuable award for being among the most comformed / obedient CONservative Councils in the UK.. Jabbadad
  • Score: 6

1:55pm Mon 9 Jun 14

MJI says...

Jabbadad wrote:
BAC you are asking the CONservative Councillors to show some initiative, other than following orders from LONDON. Ha Ha.
I expect when Hardman goes up to his meetings in London he probably gets a Pewter Pot or some other valuable award for being among the most comformed / obedient CONservative Councils in the UK..
I suggest you take a picture of you keyboard, lever off the keys, wash them, wipe all the dust off from the keyboards itself. Then refit the clean keys. You may find it stops them sticking.

Failing that you can get a decent keyboard for around a tenner.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: BAC you are asking the CONservative Councillors to show some initiative, other than following orders from LONDON. Ha Ha. I expect when Hardman goes up to his meetings in London he probably gets a Pewter Pot or some other valuable award for being among the most comformed / obedient CONservative Councils in the UK..[/p][/quote]I suggest you take a picture of you keyboard, lever off the keys, wash them, wipe all the dust off from the keyboards itself. Then refit the clean keys. You may find it stops them sticking. Failing that you can get a decent keyboard for around a tenner. MJI
  • Score: 3

1:57pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Leeolitina says...

Went to Shrewsbury a few weeks ago - they have three park and rides - all free to park with cheap bus travel into town. The one we went to was well used. Buses ran every few minutes and stopped at multiple bus stops in the town centre. I noticed plenty of shop workers were using the park and ride - not driving into town to park as there was no need. Why can't the idiots at county hall see that their model is a non starter. Make the park and ride free to park - sensible return ticket rate for bus and hike the town centre car park prices - or even close some of them. Have multiple pickup stops in town for return journey.
Going through or into Worcester is going to become an absolute nightmare.
Went to Shrewsbury a few weeks ago - they have three park and rides - all free to park with cheap bus travel into town. The one we went to was well used. Buses ran every few minutes and stopped at multiple bus stops in the town centre. I noticed plenty of shop workers were using the park and ride - not driving into town to park as there was no need. Why can't the idiots at county hall see that their model is a non starter. Make the park and ride free to park - sensible return ticket rate for bus and hike the town centre car park prices - or even close some of them. Have multiple pickup stops in town for return journey. Going through or into Worcester is going to become an absolute nightmare. Leeolitina
  • Score: 12

1:59pm Mon 9 Jun 14

psychoflump says...

I have never used Worcester's park and ride service but closing it will make the traffic so much worse. Instead of internet shopping and the occasional visit to Worcester I'll probably switch to getting on a train to Brum.
I have never used Worcester's park and ride service but closing it will make the traffic so much worse. Instead of internet shopping and the occasional visit to Worcester I'll probably switch to getting on a train to Brum. psychoflump
  • Score: 3

3:36pm Mon 9 Jun 14

ramona666 says...

31A / 31C Worcester-Worcesters
hire Royal Hospital-Warndon-Wor
cester Service retained but reduced to hourly between the city, Bilford Road and Warndon.

This is disgraceful. I used these buses for years to get to and from work and found that having a service every 30 minutes was bad enough. It's a long wait when buses don't turn up for whatever reason but to wait for an hour? Whereas the 35 service are every couple of minutes. Lots of people use the 31A/31C service to get to work and lots of children use it to get to school. I think one of the problems is lack of recording of journeys. If you use a weekly pass then there is no proper record of you journey. Yes, when you get on the bus the driver records that you have entered the bus but not where you get off. No-one has done a survey on this bus route for several years to my knowledge. What about the millions of pounds spent on the bus lanes on Newtown Road? These bus lanes never saved any time on my journeys but cost millions. Lots of people use the buses for the journey to the Three Pears and Wainwright Road. I think changing the frequency to hourly is a disgrace.
31A / 31C Worcester-Worcesters hire Royal Hospital-Warndon-Wor cester Service retained but reduced to hourly between the city, Bilford Road and Warndon. This is disgraceful. I used these buses for years to get to and from work and found that having a service every 30 minutes was bad enough. It's a long wait when buses don't turn up for whatever reason but to wait for an hour? Whereas the 35 service are every couple of minutes. Lots of people use the 31A/31C service to get to work and lots of children use it to get to school. I think one of the problems is lack of recording of journeys. If you use a weekly pass then there is no proper record of you journey. Yes, when you get on the bus the driver records that you have entered the bus but not where you get off. No-one has done a survey on this bus route for several years to my knowledge. What about the millions of pounds spent on the bus lanes on Newtown Road? These bus lanes never saved any time on my journeys but cost millions. Lots of people use the buses for the journey to the Three Pears and Wainwright Road. I think changing the frequency to hourly is a disgrace. ramona666
  • Score: 17

3:50pm Mon 9 Jun 14

uptonX says...

As everyone knows the park and ride system was the pet project of a specific Teflon coated Worcester councillor. Always was a stupid ill thought out idea and a waste of our money but closing it now is also pretty stupid. Council could and should make it free tomorrow, see if that has viability, if it does as is indicated in other cities then keep it, if not then yes close it for good, including all the anti car bus lane infrastructure and traffic lights.
As everyone knows the park and ride system was the pet project of a specific Teflon coated Worcester councillor. Always was a stupid ill thought out idea and a waste of our money but closing it now is also pretty stupid. Council could and should make it free tomorrow, see if that has viability, if it does as is indicated in other cities then keep it, if not then yes close it for good, including all the anti car bus lane infrastructure and traffic lights. uptonX
  • Score: 11

3:58pm Mon 9 Jun 14

mrwrighty says...

Does this mean the removal of the bus lane along Barbourne in to town. It was built to service the Park and Ride buses.
Does this mean the removal of the bus lane along Barbourne in to town. It was built to service the Park and Ride buses. mrwrighty
  • Score: 13

4:22pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Roger5 says...

What would be better is to see if usage can be increased by pilotting free parking as other towns do, rather than writing off the money already invested in the scheme. They Six-ways one was always likely to be underused, but there is definitely scope for a viable one from St Peter's on Bath road. The old Homebase site is up for grabs now, and a good location.
What would be better is to see if usage can be increased by pilotting free parking as other towns do, rather than writing off the money already invested in the scheme. They Six-ways one was always likely to be underused, but there is definitely scope for a viable one from St Peter's on Bath road. The old Homebase site is up for grabs now, and a good location. Roger5
  • Score: 2

4:31pm Mon 9 Jun 14

newike says...

Where is the vision ? We know bus services are expensive, but many people rely upon them.There are thousands of houses going to be built in and around Worcester. Almost every household will have a car. There are from Perdiswell alone 274000 extra journeys into town according to their statistics. Reducing bus services means many more residents will feel they have no alternative but to get the car out now to go into town. Already the city is congested. Has anyone thought to look at the side streets around Lansdowne, Arboretum ,Bath Road, London Road and Wyld's Lane areas. They are all choked with cars. Try asking the residents if they are happy they cannot park near their homes during the day. Now it will get worse.
Six Ways has not been successful but Perdiswell could be. As already stated by some writers, try free parking and a cheap fare into the city. However it looks as though the County Council is preparing to take the award for the worst congested town in the country. With no ring road, it soon will be.
Where is the vision ? We know bus services are expensive, but many people rely upon them.There are thousands of houses going to be built in and around Worcester. Almost every household will have a car. There are from Perdiswell alone 274000 extra journeys into town according to their statistics. Reducing bus services means many more residents will feel they have no alternative but to get the car out now to go into town. Already the city is congested. Has anyone thought to look at the side streets around Lansdowne, Arboretum ,Bath Road, London Road and Wyld's Lane areas. They are all choked with cars. Try asking the residents if they are happy they cannot park near their homes during the day. Now it will get worse. Six Ways has not been successful but Perdiswell could be. As already stated by some writers, try free parking and a cheap fare into the city. However it looks as though the County Council is preparing to take the award for the worst congested town in the country. With no ring road, it soon will be. newike
  • Score: 11

4:34pm Mon 9 Jun 14

MJI says...

31A & C are heavily used by school pupils, how are they going to get to school?
31A & C are heavily used by school pupils, how are they going to get to school? MJI
  • Score: 2

5:22pm Mon 9 Jun 14

SgtAl says...

When the P&R was relatively inexpensive when compared with parking rates in town, it was a success. As soon as the price sky-rocketed it becomes a failure. I wonder why that is?

Making it more expensive to get into Worcester City Centre will discourage people from going into Worcester City Centre. I wonder what would happen if all parking in the city was free?
When the P&R was relatively inexpensive when compared with parking rates in town, it was a success. As soon as the price sky-rocketed it becomes a failure. I wonder why that is? Making it more expensive to get into Worcester City Centre will discourage people from going into Worcester City Centre. I wonder what would happen if all parking in the city was free? SgtAl
  • Score: 6

5:27pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Worcester Lad says...

ramona666 wrote:
31A / 31C Worcester-Worcesters

hire Royal Hospital-Warndon-Wor

cester Service retained but reduced to hourly between the city, Bilford Road and Warndon.

This is disgraceful. I used these buses for years to get to and from work and found that having a service every 30 minutes was bad enough. It's a long wait when buses don't turn up for whatever reason but to wait for an hour? Whereas the 35 service are every couple of minutes. Lots of people use the 31A/31C service to get to work and lots of children use it to get to school. I think one of the problems is lack of recording of journeys. If you use a weekly pass then there is no proper record of you journey. Yes, when you get on the bus the driver records that you have entered the bus but not where you get off. No-one has done a survey on this bus route for several years to my knowledge. What about the millions of pounds spent on the bus lanes on Newtown Road? These bus lanes never saved any time on my journeys but cost millions. Lots of people use the buses for the journey to the Three Pears and Wainwright Road. I think changing the frequency to hourly is a disgrace.
Could not agree more as these buses also take visitors to the Royal to visit friends and loved ones they to will suffer. An absolute DISGRACE
[quote][p][bold]ramona666[/bold] wrote: 31A / 31C Worcester-Worcesters hire Royal Hospital-Warndon-Wor cester Service retained but reduced to hourly between the city, Bilford Road and Warndon. This is disgraceful. I used these buses for years to get to and from work and found that having a service every 30 minutes was bad enough. It's a long wait when buses don't turn up for whatever reason but to wait for an hour? Whereas the 35 service are every couple of minutes. Lots of people use the 31A/31C service to get to work and lots of children use it to get to school. I think one of the problems is lack of recording of journeys. If you use a weekly pass then there is no proper record of you journey. Yes, when you get on the bus the driver records that you have entered the bus but not where you get off. No-one has done a survey on this bus route for several years to my knowledge. What about the millions of pounds spent on the bus lanes on Newtown Road? These bus lanes never saved any time on my journeys but cost millions. Lots of people use the buses for the journey to the Three Pears and Wainwright Road. I think changing the frequency to hourly is a disgrace.[/p][/quote]Could not agree more as these buses also take visitors to the Royal to visit friends and loved ones they to will suffer. An absolute DISGRACE Worcester Lad
  • Score: 8

5:41pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Jabbadad says...

I understand that the "Woosh" Buses belong to the County Council, well we taxpayers, So this is probably yet another move towards privatisation by the CONservatives.
Park & Ride is a service / method of transporting people on public transport (Buses or Trams) into and out of town centres, and in doing so keeps additional traffic parked up on the outskirts, which in turn allows the roads leading to the town centres, and the town centres themselves to be less congested. And when used by enough people is a very good idea, well in other Cities who have leaders with some vision, and in all cases all the taxpayers financially support such schemes.
When I read of these cuts I feel that there must be a waste paper bin at County Hall filled with scraps of paper with the names public services scibbled on, and the powers to be go scrummaging in the bin to pick out yet another public service despite it's importance, to be next in line for the cuts.
Because their is no logic in what they do by totally unpicking anything related to Social & Community services.
The effects on those whose very existance rely on community funding is nothing less than devistating. And we could as aNation afford these public services if our CONservative government would reduce the £BIllions of pounds that they are giving to now wealthy Countries such India and China. Where is the reasoning there.
And if the government were to address the Billions which many National Companies trading here in the UK are able NOT to pay any or very little Income Tax we could sort our own problems out without further punishing the vulnerable and Older people in this once great country of ours. But sadly we are governed by those who are quite happy to punish the needy to pay the greedy.
I understand that the "Woosh" Buses belong to the County Council, well we taxpayers, So this is probably yet another move towards privatisation by the CONservatives. Park & Ride is a service / method of transporting people on public transport (Buses or Trams) into and out of town centres, and in doing so keeps additional traffic parked up on the outskirts, which in turn allows the roads leading to the town centres, and the town centres themselves to be less congested. And when used by enough people is a very good idea, well in other Cities who have leaders with some vision, and in all cases all the taxpayers financially support such schemes. When I read of these cuts I feel that there must be a waste paper bin at County Hall filled with scraps of paper with the names public services scibbled on, and the powers to be go scrummaging in the bin to pick out yet another public service despite it's importance, to be next in line for the cuts. Because their is no logic in what they do by totally unpicking anything related to Social & Community services. The effects on those whose very existance rely on community funding is nothing less than devistating. And we could as aNation afford these public services if our CONservative government would reduce the £BIllions of pounds that they are giving to now wealthy Countries such India and China. Where is the reasoning there. And if the government were to address the Billions which many National Companies trading here in the UK are able NOT to pay any or very little Income Tax we could sort our own problems out without further punishing the vulnerable and Older people in this once great country of ours. But sadly we are governed by those who are quite happy to punish the needy to pay the greedy. Jabbadad
  • Score: 1

5:47pm Mon 9 Jun 14

knowlzy says...

This is what happens when you leave the conservatives in power at least labour were looking at saving the park and ride!
This is what happens when you leave the conservatives in power at least labour were looking at saving the park and ride! knowlzy
  • Score: -1

5:53pm Mon 9 Jun 14

New Kid on the Block says...

Quote from the above article :-
"But its popularity dwindled in recent years and usage fell to 274,000 in 2013/14. "
A totally useless statistic, 274000 what? To be able to draw any real conclusions we need to know how many people, how many cars what proportion going to work (or school) in the rush hour and how many using it to go shopping etc during the day and at weekends.
If you are going to give us figures please give meaningful ones.
Quote from the above article :- "But its popularity dwindled in recent years and usage fell to 274,000 in 2013/14. " A totally useless statistic, 274000 what? To be able to draw any real conclusions we need to know how many people, how many cars what proportion going to work (or school) in the rush hour and how many using it to go shopping etc during the day and at weekends. If you are going to give us figures please give meaningful ones. New Kid on the Block
  • Score: 7

6:04pm Mon 9 Jun 14

BC10ax says...

It was poorly run.

The buses were too big for the roads and the council didn't clear the roads of car parking.

Basically, the fact it didn't work was down to council management incompetence. In fact,they did such a poor job on it, you have to suspect it was intentional.
It was poorly run. The buses were too big for the roads and the council didn't clear the roads of car parking. Basically, the fact it didn't work was down to council management incompetence. In fact,they did such a poor job on it, you have to suspect it was intentional. BC10ax
  • Score: 1

8:28pm Mon 9 Jun 14

DarrenM says...

Sanity at last - can they also dig up Prodgers Bus Lanes now as well?
Sanity at last - can they also dig up Prodgers Bus Lanes now as well? DarrenM
  • Score: 11

8:31pm Mon 9 Jun 14

DarrenM says...

Ted Elgar wrote:
It failed because of the lack of parking restrictions in the roads around town. oxford's park and ride is a runaway success because you can't park for free within 2 miles of the town centre.
Where can you park for free in the City Centre ? Can you let me know please?
[quote][p][bold]Ted Elgar[/bold] wrote: It failed because of the lack of parking restrictions in the roads around town. oxford's park and ride is a runaway success because you can't park for free within 2 miles of the town centre.[/p][/quote]Where can you park for free in the City Centre ? Can you let me know please? DarrenM
  • Score: 8

9:14pm Mon 9 Jun 14

jankersjoe says...

DarrenM wrote:
Ted Elgar wrote:
It failed because of the lack of parking restrictions in the roads around town. oxford's park and ride is a runaway success because you can't park for free within 2 miles of the town centre.
Where can you park for free in the City Centre ? Can you let me know please?
Aldi for two hours - space permitting.But I don"t they are too happy if you just park and clear off without using their store!
[quote][p][bold]DarrenM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Elgar[/bold] wrote: It failed because of the lack of parking restrictions in the roads around town. oxford's park and ride is a runaway success because you can't park for free within 2 miles of the town centre.[/p][/quote]Where can you park for free in the City Centre ? Can you let me know please?[/p][/quote]Aldi for two hours - space permitting.But I don"t they are too happy if you just park and clear off without using their store! jankersjoe
  • Score: -8

9:46pm Mon 9 Jun 14

liloliluk says...

jankersjoe wrote:
DarrenM wrote:
Ted Elgar wrote:
It failed because of the lack of parking restrictions in the roads around town. oxford's park and ride is a runaway success because you can't park for free within 2 miles of the town centre.
Where can you park for free in the City Centre ? Can you let me know please?
Aldi for two hours - space permitting.But I don"t they are too happy if you just park and clear off without using their store!
You have to put your registration number into a machine inside Aldi when you park there now, you can't just park up and then go off into town
[quote][p][bold]jankersjoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarrenM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Elgar[/bold] wrote: It failed because of the lack of parking restrictions in the roads around town. oxford's park and ride is a runaway success because you can't park for free within 2 miles of the town centre.[/p][/quote]Where can you park for free in the City Centre ? Can you let me know please?[/p][/quote]Aldi for two hours - space permitting.But I don"t they are too happy if you just park and clear off without using their store![/p][/quote]You have to put your registration number into a machine inside Aldi when you park there now, you can't just park up and then go off into town liloliluk
  • Score: 9

10:36pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Worcester Lad says...

An absolute disgrace cutting services,vital services for some people that live in the country,they could now be trapped in their own home with less quality of life. All the council is concerned about is picking up their fat wage packet at the end of the month.I would willingly pay an extra £5 a month council tax to protect some of the services that have already/will be cut.The council are trying to promote Worcester with new shops and tourisum and I belive a City of culture (what a joke).This lovely city is in danger of becoming a 2nd class city with a traffic system that has given us one of the most congested traffic problems in the country,this will increase when the new builds start taking affect (30,000+) Now we are going to have a second rate bus service.I won't even mention the city council.We need people that care about this city and county not those that look upon it as "just a job" so come election time my household will not be voting for the main two parties but loking for an alternative
An absolute disgrace cutting services,vital services for some people that live in the country,they could now be trapped in their own home with less quality of life. All the council is concerned about is picking up their fat wage packet at the end of the month.I would willingly pay an extra £5 a month council tax to protect some of the services that have already/will be cut.The council are trying to promote Worcester with new shops and tourisum and I belive a City of culture (what a joke).This lovely city is in danger of becoming a 2nd class city with a traffic system that has given us one of the most congested traffic problems in the country,this will increase when the new builds start taking affect (30,000+) Now we are going to have a second rate bus service.I won't even mention the city council.We need people that care about this city and county not those that look upon it as "just a job" so come election time my household will not be voting for the main two parties but loking for an alternative Worcester Lad
  • Score: 1

11:12pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Jabbadad says...

Yes at last they have number plate recognition cameras covering all the carpark at Aldi, and about time to, since there were loads of selfish people leaving their cars and going into town shopping for hours,meaning that genuine customers could not park. And don't think it doesen't work since I and lots more people have had a warning letter already explaining the system and reminding me of the Very Large fine incurred for future infringement.
The satff on the tills now ask if you have parked on the carpark and reminding you to LOG OUT with your car regstration number.
And although I am now able to park, the store is as busy as ever, So It's Win Win for the customers and the store.
Yes at last they have number plate recognition cameras covering all the carpark at Aldi, and about time to, since there were loads of selfish people leaving their cars and going into town shopping for hours,meaning that genuine customers could not park. And don't think it doesen't work since I and lots more people have had a warning letter already explaining the system and reminding me of the Very Large fine incurred for future infringement. The satff on the tills now ask if you have parked on the carpark and reminding you to LOG OUT with your car regstration number. And although I am now able to park, the store is as busy as ever, So It's Win Win for the customers and the store. Jabbadad
  • Score: -3

8:58am Tue 10 Jun 14

green49 says...

This is just another lack of vision cutting the overpriced Prodger Project and the Cuts by this stupid CONservative council carry on as i said before, they are now cutting a finace department that monitors council contracts, one manager says it isnt happening yet another says it definately is, they have NO IDEA what they are doing and the whole management structure is being run by IDIOTS who have no knowledge of what they are doing,
This is just another lack of vision cutting the overpriced Prodger Project and the Cuts by this stupid CONservative council carry on as i said before, they are now cutting a finace department that monitors council contracts, one manager says it isnt happening yet another says it definately is, they have NO IDEA what they are doing and the whole management structure is being run by IDIOTS who have no knowledge of what they are doing, green49
  • Score: 0

10:32am Tue 10 Jun 14

Jabbadad says...

Yes more good comments green49, when I saw the pictures of Simon & his Possee, I saw a picture of which could be seen as a waste of public money, this possee is costing we tax payers around £60,000 a year in attendance allowances (and much more if we counted their support staff who really do the work), no wonder the Possee look happy. Little wonder the urge to do a Del Boy type deal with Amos.
What we really need is a larger number of Non Tory, Non Labour councillors, who can sit in the middle and provide genuine (non-Amos) democracy for this Council.
It's a little too 21st Century to wish for a Non-Party-Political Council.
I too supported Roger Knight as a hard working Ward Councillor and his richly deserved promise of becoming Mayor. However I worry about his CONservative loyalty in being party to the deal with Amos, when it's glaringly obvious to anyone (even me) that this deal would make Worcester A political laughing stock. This Lovely City is worth more than a few pieces of Silver.
Yes more good comments green49, when I saw the pictures of Simon & his Possee, I saw a picture of which could be seen as a waste of public money, this possee is costing we tax payers around £60,000 a year in attendance allowances (and much more if we counted their support staff who really do the work), no wonder the Possee look happy. Little wonder the urge to do a Del Boy type deal with Amos. What we really need is a larger number of Non Tory, Non Labour councillors, who can sit in the middle and provide genuine (non-Amos) democracy for this Council. It's a little too 21st Century to wish for a Non-Party-Political Council. I too supported Roger Knight as a hard working Ward Councillor and his richly deserved promise of becoming Mayor. However I worry about his CONservative loyalty in being party to the deal with Amos, when it's glaringly obvious to anyone (even me) that this deal would make Worcester A political laughing stock. This Lovely City is worth more than a few pieces of Silver. Jabbadad
  • Score: -3

12:40pm Tue 10 Jun 14

MJI says...

Jabbadad wrote:
I understand that the "Woosh" Buses belong to the County Council, well we taxpayers, So this is probably yet another move towards privatisation by the CONservatives.
Park & Ride is a service / method of transporting people on public transport (Buses or Trams) into and out of town centres, and in doing so keeps additional traffic parked up on the outskirts, which in turn allows the roads leading to the town centres, and the town centres themselves to be less congested. And when used by enough people is a very good idea, well in other Cities who have leaders with some vision, and in all cases all the taxpayers financially support such schemes.
When I read of these cuts I feel that there must be a waste paper bin at County Hall filled with scraps of paper with the names public services scibbled on, and the powers to be go scrummaging in the bin to pick out yet another public service despite it's importance, to be next in line for the cuts.
Because their is no logic in what they do by totally unpicking anything related to Social & Community services.
The effects on those whose very existance rely on community funding is nothing less than devistating. And we could as aNation afford these public services if our CONservative government would reduce the £BIllions of pounds that they are giving to now wealthy Countries such India and China. Where is the reasoning there.
And if the government were to address the Billions which many National Companies trading here in the UK are able NOT to pay any or very little Income Tax we could sort our own problems out without further punishing the vulnerable and Older people in this once great country of ours. But sadly we are governed by those who are quite happy to punish the needy to pay the greedy.
Get you effing keyboard fixed!
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: I understand that the "Woosh" Buses belong to the County Council, well we taxpayers, So this is probably yet another move towards privatisation by the CONservatives. Park & Ride is a service / method of transporting people on public transport (Buses or Trams) into and out of town centres, and in doing so keeps additional traffic parked up on the outskirts, which in turn allows the roads leading to the town centres, and the town centres themselves to be less congested. And when used by enough people is a very good idea, well in other Cities who have leaders with some vision, and in all cases all the taxpayers financially support such schemes. When I read of these cuts I feel that there must be a waste paper bin at County Hall filled with scraps of paper with the names public services scibbled on, and the powers to be go scrummaging in the bin to pick out yet another public service despite it's importance, to be next in line for the cuts. Because their is no logic in what they do by totally unpicking anything related to Social & Community services. The effects on those whose very existance rely on community funding is nothing less than devistating. And we could as aNation afford these public services if our CONservative government would reduce the £BIllions of pounds that they are giving to now wealthy Countries such India and China. Where is the reasoning there. And if the government were to address the Billions which many National Companies trading here in the UK are able NOT to pay any or very little Income Tax we could sort our own problems out without further punishing the vulnerable and Older people in this once great country of ours. But sadly we are governed by those who are quite happy to punish the needy to pay the greedy.[/p][/quote]Get you effing keyboard fixed! MJI
  • Score: 7

8:20pm Tue 10 Jun 14

robbo1664 says...

What't the betting it goes out to private tender and a well known coach company in worcester which is run by a terrorist get the contract.....
What't the betting it goes out to private tender and a well known coach company in worcester which is run by a terrorist get the contract..... robbo1664
  • Score: 1

9:41pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Jabbadad says...

MJL, wash your own key board and mouth out it seems.
MJL, wash your own key board and mouth out it seems. Jabbadad
  • Score: -7

11:03pm Tue 10 Jun 14

sunnside says...

perdiswellpain wrote:
This is another service to be scrapped form a council who want's to either commission services out to contract, Or scrap them altogether. But we don't see the amount of councillors reduced do we.
The council needs to open there eyes and look at what is happening around them people will end up going to other towns to go shopping with better transport links and less traffic
welli for one will be shopping else where
[quote][p][bold]perdiswellpain[/bold] wrote: This is another service to be scrapped form a council who want's to either commission services out to contract, Or scrap them altogether. But we don't see the amount of councillors reduced do we. The council needs to open there eyes and look at what is happening around them people will end up going to other towns to go shopping with better transport links and less traffic[/p][/quote]welli for one will be shopping else where sunnside
  • Score: 3

11:10pm Tue 10 Jun 14

sunnside says...

whoever is in power will make cuts to our services so they can collect their salaries its about time the axe fell on these people who our bleeding our services dry for their own needs
whoever is in power will make cuts to our services so they can collect their salaries its about time the axe fell on these people who our bleeding our services dry for their own needs sunnside
  • Score: -1

8:54am Wed 11 Jun 14

ramona666 says...

Another concern about the reduction is the 31A/31C service is that it is the only service to the sorting office on Wainwright Road. How are people without cars supposed to collect parcels etc. when the service is once an hour? In addition to this it is the only direct bus to the hospital for a large part of Worcester. It is the only bus to the Elgar school. I am going to put money on the fact that the people behind the reduction in this service do not use the bus themselves and therefore there will be no impact on them. An hourly service for a major bus route in a city of 100,000 people in 2014 is appalling. How can the 35 bus service be every 5-10 minutes? It doesn't make sense.
Another concern about the reduction is the 31A/31C service is that it is the only service to the sorting office on Wainwright Road. How are people without cars supposed to collect parcels etc. when the service is once an hour? In addition to this it is the only direct bus to the hospital for a large part of Worcester. It is the only bus to the Elgar school. I am going to put money on the fact that the people behind the reduction in this service do not use the bus themselves and therefore there will be no impact on them. An hourly service for a major bus route in a city of 100,000 people in 2014 is appalling. How can the 35 bus service be every 5-10 minutes? It doesn't make sense. ramona666
  • Score: 8

9:02am Wed 11 Jun 14

Keith B says...

While I always enjoy Jabbadad's contributions I find the joke of writing CONservative (now picked up by others) wearing a bit thin. Maybe people of the right need to start writing conSERVEative to emphasise the fantastic service the Conservatives give the Country.

It's very demeaning to suggest that the Tory's are con-men - they are just people who have a set of values and beliefs that might not be shared by others.

In the same way it would be wrong to suggest that the Liberal Democrats don't seem to have free thinking, libertarian, liberal values any more (if they ever did have) and the word labour doesn't really describe a Party who's supporters seem to want to avoid any work. Or that the anti fracking Greens are no longer green because fracking could be the most eco friendly form of energy there is - or maybe nuclear is both of whichg they are dead set against. Either way, are Greens really green?

As for UKIP - they claim to be UNITED KINGDOM Independence Party but the concept of a United Kingdom is a unity of states - thus what do the want to be independent from? Jersey, Isle of Man, The Shetlands? Maybe UKIP needs to change its name. Might one suggest The Freedom And Rebelion AGainst the Euro Party?
While I always enjoy Jabbadad's contributions I find the joke of writing CONservative (now picked up by others) wearing a bit thin. Maybe people of the right need to start writing conSERVEative to emphasise the fantastic service the Conservatives give the Country. It's very demeaning to suggest that the Tory's are con-men - they are just people who have a set of values and beliefs that might not be shared by others. In the same way it would be wrong to suggest that the Liberal Democrats don't seem to have free thinking, libertarian, liberal values any more (if they ever did have) and the word labour doesn't really describe a Party who's supporters seem to want to avoid any work. Or that the anti fracking Greens are no longer green because fracking could be the most eco friendly form of energy there is - or maybe nuclear is both of whichg they are dead set against. Either way, are Greens really green? As for UKIP - they claim to be UNITED KINGDOM Independence Party but the concept of a United Kingdom is a unity of states - thus what do the want to be independent from? Jersey, Isle of Man, The Shetlands? Maybe UKIP needs to change its name. Might one suggest The Freedom And Rebelion AGainst the Euro Party? Keith B
  • Score: -2

10:21am Wed 11 Jun 14

Jabbadad says...

KeithB, by all means use whatever words you feel will get a point across, it's called debate, but please don't whinge if what you read and interpret, touch's a political nerve, and the more it upsets, the more on target any words become.
We can only intepret what we see as how we see it, and does it reflect on ourselves..
And to make another observation, in todays Worcester News paper it is reported that the CONservatives at County Hall are cutting a FURTHER £32 millions from Adult Care spending, so really supporting what I am saying about CONservatism.
And in passing I witnessed David Cameron at Question Time using the word CON to describe the Labour opposition, so is that OKAY?.
Keith I own up to being one of many campaigners for the vulnerable and Older people, and there is much to campaign about. And those who look back over when Labour have been in political control when there were also many bad actions taken against our vulnerable and Elderly i was fiercely criticising Labour.
So under your rules Keith because it displeases you, are we to sit quietly and allow these terrible things happen to our most vulnerable.
NO we respond in whatever way we can. And of course we have a very good editor in this paper who would quickly step in should the need arise.
But I don't think this covers those who object just because they are ashamed supporters. And what a blessing this paper since so many things / actions taken by both Central and Local Governments would just slide quietly past the people in the street as it were. Well done Mr Editor, Tom, James and all at WN.
KeithB, by all means use whatever words you feel will get a point across, it's called debate, but please don't whinge if what you read and interpret, touch's a political nerve, and the more it upsets, the more on target any words become. We can only intepret what we see as how we see it, and does it reflect on ourselves.. And to make another observation, in todays Worcester News paper it is reported that the CONservatives at County Hall are cutting a FURTHER £32 millions from Adult Care spending, so really supporting what I am saying about CONservatism. And in passing I witnessed David Cameron at Question Time using the word CON to describe the Labour opposition, so is that OKAY?. Keith I own up to being one of many campaigners for the vulnerable and Older people, and there is much to campaign about. And those who look back over when Labour have been in political control when there were also many bad actions taken against our vulnerable and Elderly i was fiercely criticising Labour. So under your rules Keith because it displeases you, are we to sit quietly and allow these terrible things happen to our most vulnerable. NO we respond in whatever way we can. And of course we have a very good editor in this paper who would quickly step in should the need arise. But I don't think this covers those who object just because they are ashamed supporters. And what a blessing this paper since so many things / actions taken by both Central and Local Governments would just slide quietly past the people in the street as it were. Well done Mr Editor, Tom, James and all at WN. Jabbadad
  • Score: -6

11:57am Wed 11 Jun 14

MJI says...

Jabbadad wrote:
MJL, wash your own key board and mouth out it seems.
I will when you get your capslock fixed
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: MJL, wash your own key board and mouth out it seems.[/p][/quote]I will when you get your capslock fixed MJI
  • Score: 4

6:15pm Wed 11 Jun 14

dropkick55 says...

MJI wrote:
31A & C are heavily used by school pupils, how are they going to get to school?
Walk?
[quote][p][bold]MJI[/bold] wrote: 31A & C are heavily used by school pupils, how are they going to get to school?[/p][/quote]Walk? dropkick55
  • Score: 4

6:19pm Wed 11 Jun 14

dropkick55 says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Yes at last they have number plate recognition cameras covering all the carpark at Aldi, and about time to, since there were loads of selfish people leaving their cars and going into town shopping for hours,meaning that genuine customers could not park. And don't think it doesen't work since I and lots more people have had a warning letter already explaining the system and reminding me of the Very Large fine incurred for future infringement.
The satff on the tills now ask if you have parked on the carpark and reminding you to LOG OUT with your car regstration number.
And although I am now able to park, the store is as busy as ever, So It's Win Win for the customers and the store.
So I will buy loaf of bread
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Yes at last they have number plate recognition cameras covering all the carpark at Aldi, and about time to, since there were loads of selfish people leaving their cars and going into town shopping for hours,meaning that genuine customers could not park. And don't think it doesen't work since I and lots more people have had a warning letter already explaining the system and reminding me of the Very Large fine incurred for future infringement. The satff on the tills now ask if you have parked on the carpark and reminding you to LOG OUT with your car regstration number. And although I am now able to park, the store is as busy as ever, So It's Win Win for the customers and the store.[/p][/quote]So I will buy loaf of bread dropkick55
  • Score: 3

7:10pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Worcester Lad says...

dropkick55 wrote:
MJI wrote:
31A & C are heavily used by school pupils, how are they going to get to school?
Walk?
Not very pleasant walking in the snow/rain and cold winds through the winter arriving at school soaking wet i have done this on numerous occasions on my way to work , not very nice, taking hours to get dry..Try it sometime or offer to "Take a child to school".
[quote][p][bold]dropkick55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJI[/bold] wrote: 31A & C are heavily used by school pupils, how are they going to get to school?[/p][/quote]Walk?[/p][/quote]Not very pleasant walking in the snow/rain and cold winds through the winter arriving at school soaking wet i have done this on numerous occasions on my way to work , not very nice, taking hours to get dry..Try it sometime or offer to "Take a child to school". Worcester Lad
  • Score: -3

7:17pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Keith B says...

Jabbadad - how dare you accuse me of being a Conservative - I've fought them all my life including standing for Parliament against them and taking one of their safest Council seats in Worcestershire - and held it. I stopped being a Councillor when I wanted to not when the voters told me to go!

All I think is that the CON joke has worn thin. You write what you like and how you want to write it. But it just looks a bit silly.
Jabbadad - how dare you accuse me of being a Conservative - I've fought them all my life including standing for Parliament against them and taking one of their safest Council seats in Worcestershire - and held it. I stopped being a Councillor when I wanted to not when the voters told me to go! All I think is that the CON joke has worn thin. You write what you like and how you want to write it. But it just looks a bit silly. Keith B
  • Score: 3

9:27pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Jabbadad says...

Thanks for your kind permission KeithB. However I fail to see where I have accused you of being anything. I am normally very careful when I know that I am debating with a credible rival.
And my comments are directly aimed at those who care not for our most vulnerable and elderly in society, and I apolgise to NO ONE for that.
As they say IF THE CAP FITS WEAR IT.
As to how I describe certain issues please feel free to ignore them, I don't canvas support, I do however try to inform anyone interested about the terrible things going on beneath our noses. I belong to many campaigning groups of which I am very supportive and proud.
Thanks for your kind permission KeithB. However I fail to see where I have accused you of being anything. I am normally very careful when I know that I am debating with a credible rival. And my comments are directly aimed at those who care not for our most vulnerable and elderly in society, and I apolgise to NO ONE for that. As they say IF THE CAP FITS WEAR IT. As to how I describe certain issues please feel free to ignore them, I don't canvas support, I do however try to inform anyone interested about the terrible things going on beneath our noses. I belong to many campaigning groups of which I am very supportive and proud. Jabbadad
  • Score: -4

10:09pm Wed 11 Jun 14

jonperdiswell says...

It seams crazy that a single into town costs 2.20 and a pass to explore the whole of the county costs 5.00. We need a service that is regular and isn't cost prohibitive which discourages people from using the service. If there is more that one person using the service is doesn't make financial sense to use the bus instead of parking in town.
It seams crazy that a single into town costs 2.20 and a pass to explore the whole of the county costs 5.00. We need a service that is regular and isn't cost prohibitive which discourages people from using the service. If there is more that one person using the service is doesn't make financial sense to use the bus instead of parking in town. jonperdiswell
  • Score: -1

10:58pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Jabbadad says...

I think it would be fair to say that the 8,500 people who were involved in the consultation were primarily responding to the Cuts in the Buses, and not Park & Ride. So was this yet again a clever political way to generate figures which can be quoted to suit the occasion when called for?
Nah our politicians wouldn't do that would they?
I think it would be fair to say that the 8,500 people who were involved in the consultation were primarily responding to the Cuts in the Buses, and not Park & Ride. So was this yet again a clever political way to generate figures which can be quoted to suit the occasion when called for? Nah our politicians wouldn't do that would they? Jabbadad
  • Score: 2

12:38pm Thu 12 Jun 14

MandyCooke says...

We often use the Perdiswell Park and Ride. We travel from Birmingham and enjoy the shopping in Worcester. With no Park and Ride I don't think we will bother - looks like Birmingham will be getting our custom. Worcester traders will suffer from these closures.
We often use the Perdiswell Park and Ride. We travel from Birmingham and enjoy the shopping in Worcester. With no Park and Ride I don't think we will bother - looks like Birmingham will be getting our custom. Worcester traders will suffer from these closures. MandyCooke
  • Score: 0

1:48pm Thu 12 Jun 14

welshraz says...

Absolutely disgusted that the 31A/C is being cut to hourly. I rely on that service to get me to work. This is the only service that serves my place of work. I get on/off at the Three Pears, and on dozens of occasions the bus has not turned up. Now this could mean waiting even longer for the ever unreliable service. There are five other people on my team alone that will be impacted by this change. The bus is almost always full in the mornings and between 4 and 6. Why not cut the routes between 10 and 4 and keep the rest for those who rely on the service for work and school?
Absolutely disgusted that the 31A/C is being cut to hourly. I rely on that service to get me to work. This is the only service that serves my place of work. I get on/off at the Three Pears, and on dozens of occasions the bus has not turned up. Now this could mean waiting even longer for the ever unreliable service. There are five other people on my team alone that will be impacted by this change. The bus is almost always full in the mornings and between 4 and 6. Why not cut the routes between 10 and 4 and keep the rest for those who rely on the service for work and school? welshraz
  • Score: 0

6:27pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Jeremy Pitt says...

Ted Elgar wrote:
It failed because of the lack of parking restrictions in the roads around town. oxford's park and ride is a runaway success because you can't park for free within 2 miles of the town centre.
Oxfords is also a success because it caters directly for visitors to the city from elsewhere. I can drive down the M40, onto the A34, I leave the car at the Park and Ride. I drive in from Moreton in Marsh, its there when I get to the Ring Road. Sixways should have been a bigger success, it was in the right place at least, but the Perdiswell one, well there's just no easy way to get to it if you are visitor to Worcester, so it only serves the residents of the area.
[quote][p][bold]Ted Elgar[/bold] wrote: It failed because of the lack of parking restrictions in the roads around town. oxford's park and ride is a runaway success because you can't park for free within 2 miles of the town centre.[/p][/quote]Oxfords is also a success because it caters directly for visitors to the city from elsewhere. I can drive down the M40, onto the A34, I leave the car at the Park and Ride. I drive in from Moreton in Marsh, its there when I get to the Ring Road. Sixways should have been a bigger success, it was in the right place at least, but the Perdiswell one, well there's just no easy way to get to it if you are visitor to Worcester, so it only serves the residents of the area. Jeremy Pitt
  • Score: 1

6:32pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Jeremy Pitt says...

liloliluk wrote:
jankersjoe wrote:
DarrenM wrote:
Ted Elgar wrote:
It failed because of the lack of parking restrictions in the roads around town. oxford's park and ride is a runaway success because you can't park for free within 2 miles of the town centre.
Where can you park for free in the City Centre ? Can you let me know please?
Aldi for two hours - space permitting.But I don"t they are too happy if you just park and clear off without using their store!
You have to put your registration number into a machine inside Aldi when you park there now, you can't just park up and then go off into town
Well you can, you don't have to put your reg number into anything if you don't want to. Two hours free parking is two hours free parking, whatever the private parking companies try to say.
[quote][p][bold]liloliluk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jankersjoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarrenM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Elgar[/bold] wrote: It failed because of the lack of parking restrictions in the roads around town. oxford's park and ride is a runaway success because you can't park for free within 2 miles of the town centre.[/p][/quote]Where can you park for free in the City Centre ? Can you let me know please?[/p][/quote]Aldi for two hours - space permitting.But I don"t they are too happy if you just park and clear off without using their store![/p][/quote]You have to put your registration number into a machine inside Aldi when you park there now, you can't just park up and then go off into town[/p][/quote]Well you can, you don't have to put your reg number into anything if you don't want to. Two hours free parking is two hours free parking, whatever the private parking companies try to say. Jeremy Pitt
  • Score: 1

10:18pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Jabbadad says...

They have signs up warning those like Jeremy Pitt that you can only park their if you use the store and that you must put your number into the vehicle recognition number plate system after you leave the tills, or face a fine of Over £70. And if you don't the number plate recognition system which takes your number as you enter and leave the carpark is used to locate your home address and you will get a letter as I and many more have explaing the error of our ways.
Now you might also challenge this but who will. We just might then see clampers. And I have to say that it is much easier for genuine Aldi shoppers who like me have not been able to park at Aldi for selfish people who were using the carpark for free as they went into town shopping, since now there still are plenty of shoppers in Aldi and we are able to park, and the staff on the Tills nicely remind us to log out our Car Reg Number.. JOB DONE
They have signs up warning those like Jeremy Pitt that you can only park their if you use the store and that you must put your number into the vehicle recognition number plate system after you leave the tills, or face a fine of Over £70. And if you don't the number plate recognition system which takes your number as you enter and leave the carpark is used to locate your home address and you will get a letter as I and many more have explaing the error of our ways. Now you might also challenge this but who will. We just might then see clampers. And I have to say that it is much easier for genuine Aldi shoppers who like me have not been able to park at Aldi for selfish people who were using the carpark for free as they went into town shopping, since now there still are plenty of shoppers in Aldi and we are able to park, and the staff on the Tills nicely remind us to log out our Car Reg Number.. JOB DONE Jabbadad
  • Score: 0

10:36pm Thu 12 Jun 14

ray1111 says...

worcester with its narrow streets was never going to be suited to a park and ride scheme. The ''shock'' decision to close it whilst it losses £250000 ? its more of a shock that they kept it open for so long . Daily i watch these mainly empty buses going along the tything and barbourne . How much damage did the scheme do the shops in upper barbourne when on street parking dissappeared ? The two busiest routes into worcester were ignored by both park and ride sites , london road from the m5 and malvern to worcester traffic. the park and ride scheme was more tokenism than a real effort to reduce cars and co2 in the city.
worcester with its narrow streets was never going to be suited to a park and ride scheme. The ''shock'' decision to close it whilst it losses £250000 ? its more of a shock that they kept it open for so long . Daily i watch these mainly empty buses going along the tything and barbourne . How much damage did the scheme do the shops in upper barbourne when on street parking dissappeared ? The two busiest routes into worcester were ignored by both park and ride sites , london road from the m5 and malvern to worcester traffic. the park and ride scheme was more tokenism than a real effort to reduce cars and co2 in the city. ray1111
  • Score: 4

7:47am Wed 25 Jun 14

Laurie Ward says...

Jabbadad wrote:
They have signs up warning those like Jeremy Pitt that you can only park their if you use the store and that you must put your number into the vehicle recognition number plate system after you leave the tills, or face a fine of Over £70. And if you don't the number plate recognition system which takes your number as you enter and leave the carpark is used to locate your home address and you will get a letter as I and many more have explaing the error of our ways.
Now you might also challenge this but who will. We just might then see clampers. And I have to say that it is much easier for genuine Aldi shoppers who like me have not been able to park at Aldi for selfish people who were using the carpark for free as they went into town shopping, since now there still are plenty of shoppers in Aldi and we are able to park, and the staff on the Tills nicely remind us to log out our Car Reg Number.. JOB DONE
Not quite "JOB DONE" Jabbadad as private clamping is illegal and private parking companies acting on behalf of the site owner or tenant cannot lawfully impose a "fine".
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: They have signs up warning those like Jeremy Pitt that you can only park their if you use the store and that you must put your number into the vehicle recognition number plate system after you leave the tills, or face a fine of Over £70. And if you don't the number plate recognition system which takes your number as you enter and leave the carpark is used to locate your home address and you will get a letter as I and many more have explaing the error of our ways. Now you might also challenge this but who will. We just might then see clampers. And I have to say that it is much easier for genuine Aldi shoppers who like me have not been able to park at Aldi for selfish people who were using the carpark for free as they went into town shopping, since now there still are plenty of shoppers in Aldi and we are able to park, and the staff on the Tills nicely remind us to log out our Car Reg Number.. JOB DONE[/p][/quote]Not quite "JOB DONE" Jabbadad as private clamping is illegal and private parking companies acting on behalf of the site owner or tenant cannot lawfully impose a "fine". Laurie Ward
  • Score: 1

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