More than 800 neighbours don't want new Worcester City stadium at Perdiswell

FUTURE HOME? This is an image of how the £2million community stadium would look at Perdiswell

FUTURE HOME? This is an image of how the £2million community stadium would look at Perdiswell

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Worcester News: Tom Edwards by , Political Reporter

HOPES of building a new stadium for Worcester City FC in Perdiswell have taken a blow - with more than 82 per cent of nearby residents saying they opposing the plan in a new survey.

More than 1,000 people have taken part in the major survey about the future of Worcester City, - with 82 per cent saying they don’t want a new stadium at Perdiswell.

The Protect Perdiswell Park (PPP) protest group conducted has just completed a poll of the 24 streets immediately surrounding Perdiswell Park.

It found that just 13 per cent were in favour, while Of the survey, 82 per cent were opposed to the plan and five per cent didn’t know, with the rest in favour.

The feedback is a crushing blow to the club’s supporters’ trust, which is trying to win the support of the local community over the £2.1 million ground, which is due to be examined by Worcester City Council this autumn.

Opposition from more than 800 nearby households focuses on the loss of the green fields, as well as concerns about traffic implications.

The trust, which has already submitted a planning application for a 4,100-capacity ground in a bid to end the club’s exile bring the club home from its temporary base in Kidderminster, says it will is determined to have an “open dialogue” with residents.

Jason Marshall, from PPP Protect Perdiswell Park, said: “We did not put our petition sheets online, nor have we used any data selectively.

“We have not simply sought as many signatures as possible from people, anywhere.

“As a result of this extensive local door knocking, awareness raising and debate, we can report that 82 per cent of people are at this point opposed to the stadium being built on Perdiswell Park at all.

“The group does not claim to be independent in these efforts, of course we are motivated by our opposition to building on the park and have never tried to disguise this.

“We are not anti-football, we simply want to see an important green and open space protected for the benefit of its the wide variety of current users.

“The great majority believe that Perdiswell as a location is simply the wrong location; the impact on the community and loss of park land are unacceptable and we will fight it to see this plan stopped.”

The supporter’s trust says it is confident some of the objections can be turned around.

Secretary Rob Crean said: “Once the application is in the public domain, we will welcome an open dialogue,” said secretary Rob Crean.

“I am confident some of the questions and concerns will be answered in the application.”

He said a series of surveys have been commissioned to build support for the bid.

The plans will include a main 500-seat stand, a standing terrace, 3G pitch, three full-size grass pitches, two nine aside fields, conference and classroom facilities.

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3:49pm Tue 10 Jun 14

BC10ax says...

This reaction needs to be taken seriously.

There might be a headlong rush to create facilities which cater for a large-ish group, such as a football supporters club, but alienate a much larger group of people, in this case, the residents.
This reaction needs to be taken seriously. There might be a headlong rush to create facilities which cater for a large-ish group, such as a football supporters club, but alienate a much larger group of people, in this case, the residents. BC10ax
  • Score: 10

3:51pm Tue 10 Jun 14

RedRoom says...

These 'NIMBY's' are almost certainly the same demographic of people who bemoan the fact that,
"kids these days spend all their time indoors on their X-Boxes & PS3's", perhaps an investment in sporting facilities such as these in our city would have the medium to long term effect of encouraging better health and perhaps even sporting excellence?
The current state of Perdiswell is shocking, poorly kept football fields covered in dog mess and no small amount of litter. I coach a youth football team and during the summer when we train at Perdiswell the first 10 minutes of any session is spent patrolling the area that we intend to use picking up the mess that idle dog owners have no removed themselves. This is endemic of the lack of 'civic pride' that seems to pervade the Faithfull City, let's give following generations something to be proud of, something to build upon, something to help them to develop.
These 'NIMBY's' are almost certainly the same demographic of people who bemoan the fact that, "kids these days spend all their time indoors on their X-Boxes & PS3's", perhaps an investment in sporting facilities such as these in our city would have the medium to long term effect of encouraging better health and perhaps even sporting excellence? The current state of Perdiswell is shocking, poorly kept football fields covered in dog mess and no small amount of litter. I coach a youth football team and during the summer when we train at Perdiswell the first 10 minutes of any session is spent patrolling the area that we intend to use picking up the mess that idle dog owners have no removed themselves. This is endemic of the lack of 'civic pride' that seems to pervade the Faithfull City, let's give following generations something to be proud of, something to build upon, something to help them to develop. RedRoom
  • Score: 3

8:06pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Rebeldiamond says...

Redroom I don't know which field you're talking about but it certainly isn't Perdiswell.
I use the field every day and it is not at all what you describe.
Leave it as it is for everybody to enjoy it for what it is, not just a select few and it IS a few!
Build it on the outskirts of the city, I think we the residents have made it abundantly clear we don't want it here!
Redroom I don't know which field you're talking about but it certainly isn't Perdiswell. I use the field every day and it is not at all what you describe. Leave it as it is for everybody to enjoy it for what it is, not just a select few and it IS a few! Build it on the outskirts of the city, I think we the residents have made it abundantly clear we don't want it here! Rebeldiamond
  • Score: 11

8:22pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Handcart says...

I want a park with lots of grass and open space for everyone to use safely and freely, not with a building on it. Good luck finding the money to get yourself a proper site. Sorry, you can't just have the park for this, just because there's no cash and no idea how to solve the sorry mess City are in. Credit to the Supporters Trust for having a go when the club is slipping away for lack of ideas (or hope?). But their determination will not make the crowds appear and does not make it ok for the hundreds and hundreds of people whose back yard it is, who like the park very much as it is.
I want a park with lots of grass and open space for everyone to use safely and freely, not with a building on it. Good luck finding the money to get yourself a proper site. Sorry, you can't just have the park for this, just because there's no cash and no idea how to solve the sorry mess City are in. Credit to the Supporters Trust for having a go when the club is slipping away for lack of ideas (or hope?). But their determination will not make the crowds appear and does not make it ok for the hundreds and hundreds of people whose back yard it is, who like the park very much as it is. Handcart
  • Score: 14

9:37pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Worcester Lad says...

RedRoom wrote:
These 'NIMBY's' are almost certainly the same demographic of people who bemoan the fact that,
"kids these days spend all their time indoors on their X-Boxes & PS3's", perhaps an investment in sporting facilities such as these in our city would have the medium to long term effect of encouraging better health and perhaps even sporting excellence?
The current state of Perdiswell is shocking, poorly kept football fields covered in dog mess and no small amount of litter. I coach a youth football team and during the summer when we train at Perdiswell the first 10 minutes of any session is spent patrolling the area that we intend to use picking up the mess that idle dog owners have no removed themselves. This is endemic of the lack of 'civic pride' that seems to pervade the Faithfull City, let's give following generations something to be proud of, something to build upon, something to help them to develop.
Quite agree with you ,there IS plenty of dog mess on Perdiswell plus dog owners worrying swans and ducks by letting their pets jump into the canal. Perdiswell is big enough for both, so stop being selfish and let people that want to play or watch football do so you don't own Perdiswell it is for everyone to use. And yes I am local and use the field often for my wellbeing although I do not own a dog. If proof is needed of any of the above then I am sure photographic evidence can be obtained.
[quote][p][bold]RedRoom[/bold] wrote: These 'NIMBY's' are almost certainly the same demographic of people who bemoan the fact that, "kids these days spend all their time indoors on their X-Boxes & PS3's", perhaps an investment in sporting facilities such as these in our city would have the medium to long term effect of encouraging better health and perhaps even sporting excellence? The current state of Perdiswell is shocking, poorly kept football fields covered in dog mess and no small amount of litter. I coach a youth football team and during the summer when we train at Perdiswell the first 10 minutes of any session is spent patrolling the area that we intend to use picking up the mess that idle dog owners have no removed themselves. This is endemic of the lack of 'civic pride' that seems to pervade the Faithfull City, let's give following generations something to be proud of, something to build upon, something to help them to develop.[/p][/quote]Quite agree with you ,there IS plenty of dog mess on Perdiswell plus dog owners worrying swans and ducks by letting their pets jump into the canal. Perdiswell is big enough for both, so stop being selfish and let people that want to play or watch football do so you don't own Perdiswell it is for everyone to use. And yes I am local and use the field often for my wellbeing although I do not own a dog. If proof is needed of any of the above then I am sure photographic evidence can be obtained. Worcester Lad
  • Score: 6

10:26pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Jabbadad says...

Well the Northern Worcester residents object to any developements be it housing or a Northern Link road. What is so special that these nimbies can hold the City to ransom, do they own the whole of Northern Worcestershire?
With good inclusive planning Perdiswell could be a really good sports developement with access from Droitwich Road, a propper swimming pool no doubt also Opposed by the locals, and additional sports facilities including football which won't attract Thousands of troublesom fans. And no I am not a City football supporter. And I can remember Bilford Road before the Blanquettes and many other houses were built. So alright Jack me thinks.
Well the Northern Worcester residents object to any developements be it housing or a Northern Link road. What is so special that these nimbies can hold the City to ransom, do they own the whole of Northern Worcestershire? With good inclusive planning Perdiswell could be a really good sports developement with access from Droitwich Road, a propper swimming pool no doubt also Opposed by the locals, and additional sports facilities including football which won't attract Thousands of troublesom fans. And no I am not a City football supporter. And I can remember Bilford Road before the Blanquettes and many other houses were built. So alright Jack me thinks. Jabbadad
  • Score: 6

11:21pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Worcester Lad says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Well the Northern Worcester residents object to any developements be it housing or a Northern Link road. What is so special that these nimbies can hold the City to ransom, do they own the whole of Northern Worcestershire?
With good inclusive planning Perdiswell could be a really good sports developement with access from Droitwich Road, a propper swimming pool no doubt also Opposed by the locals, and additional sports facilities including football which won't attract Thousands of troublesom fans. And no I am not a City football supporter. And I can remember Bilford Road before the Blanquettes and many other houses were built. So alright Jack me thinks.
Apparently the locals don't mind a swimming pool and a possible new playground ,it is just the football stadium they don't want .There is plenty of space for all. But that could change if the council decides to sell of some of their assets to the private market, and Perdiswell is a prime site for affordable housing.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Well the Northern Worcester residents object to any developements be it housing or a Northern Link road. What is so special that these nimbies can hold the City to ransom, do they own the whole of Northern Worcestershire? With good inclusive planning Perdiswell could be a really good sports developement with access from Droitwich Road, a propper swimming pool no doubt also Opposed by the locals, and additional sports facilities including football which won't attract Thousands of troublesom fans. And no I am not a City football supporter. And I can remember Bilford Road before the Blanquettes and many other houses were built. So alright Jack me thinks.[/p][/quote]Apparently the locals don't mind a swimming pool and a possible new playground ,it is just the football stadium they don't want .There is plenty of space for all. But that could change if the council decides to sell of some of their assets to the private market, and Perdiswell is a prime site for affordable housing. Worcester Lad
  • Score: 4

10:51am Wed 11 Jun 14

Worcester Lad says...

To the Perdiswell Residents .Dear Residents,I know that you like the green open spaces that Perdiswell has to offer so you can walk the dogs once or twice a day seven days a week .I too like to walk in the open air and green spaces at various parks in Worcester. The plans to build a football stadium will not take up to much of the field . The average age of the supporters that follow WCFC is over 50 and not trouble makers.Some attend the matches to meet friends that they don't get chance to see at other times. Please let us continue to follow our football team as it is for some, one of the only pleasures they have especially the ones in their 70s and 80s .So carry on enjoying your activities but please let us enjoy ours as well, then we can all get along together. Thank You
To the Perdiswell Residents .Dear Residents,I know that you like the green open spaces that Perdiswell has to offer so you can walk the dogs once or twice a day seven days a week .I too like to walk in the open air and green spaces at various parks in Worcester. The plans to build a football stadium will not take up to much of the field . The average age of the supporters that follow WCFC is over 50 and not trouble makers.Some attend the matches to meet friends that they don't get chance to see at other times. Please let us continue to follow our football team as it is for some, one of the only pleasures they have especially the ones in their 70s and 80s .So carry on enjoying your activities but please let us enjoy ours as well, then we can all get along together. Thank You Worcester Lad
  • Score: 2

11:20am Wed 11 Jun 14

liketoknow says...

what about the park&ride site. it's already got the road infrastructure in place. that's taken away one of the excuses the nimbies like to use.
what about the park&ride site. it's already got the road infrastructure in place. that's taken away one of the excuses the nimbies like to use. liketoknow
  • Score: 7

11:26am Wed 11 Jun 14

Rebeldiamond says...

Worcesterlad you had a ground, you sold it. You have no money, you want perdiswell for peanuts. We are not going to lie down and let you take such a prized asset away from us without a fight.
Worcesterlad you had a ground, you sold it. You have no money, you want perdiswell for peanuts. We are not going to lie down and let you take such a prized asset away from us without a fight. Rebeldiamond
  • Score: 8

11:50am Wed 11 Jun 14

RedRoom says...

But Rebeldiamond, Perdiswell is NOT a prized asset, not by many at least. It is under utilised & under maintained. I for one cannot understand the stance that denies the youth of our city the opportunity to pursue excellence.
Given the choice I would build a stadium with excellent indoor and outdoor training facilities for the numerous community football clubs around Worcester to use, so generating support and potentially revenue for WCFC. I would also build a new swimming pool complex with olympic size pool as well as facilities for leisure swimmers and families as well as include and invest in the Golf Club. Why not set out to create a mixed sporting and leisure venue that is reknowned for being the BEST in the area, if not the country? Such a vision could bring enormous revenue into the area as well as providing substantial employment opportunities.
Membership to this 'mixed sporting facility' (that could include many other facilities too) would be provided at a discounted rate to all who pay Council Tax within the City and schools would be encouraged to use and benefit from it.
........And the best part is.....all of this could be built and STILL leave plenty of green space the upkeep for which would be drawn from the operating budget for the sporting facilities.
But Rebeldiamond, Perdiswell is NOT a prized asset, not by many at least. It is under utilised & under maintained. I for one cannot understand the stance that denies the youth of our city the opportunity to pursue excellence. Given the choice I would build a stadium with excellent indoor and outdoor training facilities for the numerous community football clubs around Worcester to use, so generating support and potentially revenue for WCFC. I would also build a new swimming pool complex with olympic size pool as well as facilities for leisure swimmers and families as well as include and invest in the Golf Club. Why not set out to create a mixed sporting and leisure venue that is reknowned for being the BEST in the area, if not the country? Such a vision could bring enormous revenue into the area as well as providing substantial employment opportunities. Membership to this 'mixed sporting facility' (that could include many other facilities too) would be provided at a discounted rate to all who pay Council Tax within the City and schools would be encouraged to use and benefit from it. ........And the best part is.....all of this could be built and STILL leave plenty of green space the upkeep for which would be drawn from the operating budget for the sporting facilities. RedRoom
  • Score: 10

12:06pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Jabbadad says...

Marc Bayliss is already sending out the messages of doom for the swimming pool plans by saying that they are loking at what is affordable, but is that affordable right now, or is it asking the Councuil to be Pro active and plan down the line by Amitising the costs over 30 years or so as the Hospital although PFI is. When the funding was being debated the message from Mike Foster was do you want a new hospitalor noy since the government cannot afford to pay so it's PFI or nothing, Some Choice eh?
Any plans should include being able to extend the Poll should finances / funding improve. Nothing impossible their then. As an ecconomist surely Marc should be able to forward plan.
Marc Bayliss is already sending out the messages of doom for the swimming pool plans by saying that they are loking at what is affordable, but is that affordable right now, or is it asking the Councuil to be Pro active and plan down the line by Amitising the costs over 30 years or so as the Hospital although PFI is. When the funding was being debated the message from Mike Foster was do you want a new hospitalor noy since the government cannot afford to pay so it's PFI or nothing, Some Choice eh? Any plans should include being able to extend the Poll should finances / funding improve. Nothing impossible their then. As an ecconomist surely Marc should be able to forward plan. Jabbadad
  • Score: -10

12:25pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Doogie 46 says...

Perdiswell was not created as a public park where the local population could stroll and walk their dogs. It was created as a SPORTS FACILITY to be used by the whole of Worcester, not just a nice spot of "green " for the benefit of a few hundre people who happen to live nearby.
There will still be plenty of "green" left when the stadium is built and (as I get sick of repeating) access does not need to be only via Bilford Road - the demise of the P & R scheme has created further possibilities for dealing with the minor traffic increase. I suspect the local Sunday League creates more traffic than Worcester City are likely to cause in the forseeable future.
Jabbadad makes an excellent point - North Worcester residents seem to have a knee-jerk reaction to ANY change to their current environment and that is unsustainable and unfair to the rest of the city.
Perdiswell was not created as a public park where the local population could stroll and walk their dogs. It was created as a SPORTS FACILITY to be used by the whole of Worcester, not just a nice spot of "green " for the benefit of a few hundre people who happen to live nearby. There will still be plenty of "green" left when the stadium is built and (as I get sick of repeating) access does not need to be only via Bilford Road - the demise of the P & R scheme has created further possibilities for dealing with the minor traffic increase. I suspect the local Sunday League creates more traffic than Worcester City are likely to cause in the forseeable future. Jabbadad makes an excellent point - North Worcester residents seem to have a knee-jerk reaction to ANY change to their current environment and that is unsustainable and unfair to the rest of the city. Doogie 46
  • Score: 2

12:35pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Rebeldiamond says...

The only thing unsustainable appears to be the finances of the club.
The only thing unsustainable appears to be the finances of the club. Rebeldiamond
  • Score: 10

12:45pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Worcester Lad says...

Rebeldiamond wrote:
Worcesterlad you had a ground, you sold it. You have no money, you want perdiswell for peanuts. We are not going to lie down and let you take such a prized asset away from us without a fight.
That is true about selling the ground, the idiot's in charge at the time sold the ground without anywhere to go. There is some money available from the sale of shares. Yes it is an asset but not a prized one. The residents say it is our space.it is not just yours it is for the whole community to use. If the loss of 1 or 2% of green space is all you have to worry about then I am sorry you feel that way with all the terrible things happening in the world a lot of people would love a green space..82% of local say no to football how many say yes to a new playground and possible swimming pool?. People want to push this problem away to somewhere else (another green space?)so it will not be there problem. Surely in this day and age we can all work together. Or are you to greedy that you want it for yourselves?
[quote][p][bold]Rebeldiamond[/bold] wrote: Worcesterlad you had a ground, you sold it. You have no money, you want perdiswell for peanuts. We are not going to lie down and let you take such a prized asset away from us without a fight.[/p][/quote]That is true about selling the ground, the idiot's in charge at the time sold the ground without anywhere to go. There is some money available from the sale of shares. Yes it is an asset but not a prized one. The residents say it is our space.it is not just yours it is for the whole community to use. If the loss of 1 or 2% of green space is all you have to worry about then I am sorry you feel that way with all the terrible things happening in the world a lot of people would love a green space..82% of local say no to football how many say yes to a new playground and possible swimming pool?. People want to push this problem away to somewhere else (another green space?)so it will not be there problem. Surely in this day and age we can all work together. Or are you to greedy that you want it for yourselves? Worcester Lad
  • Score: -3

3:52pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Rebeldiamond says...

When I moved in there was no sports centre, 5 a side, golf course etc, it was just the old airfield buildings and over the decades these have taken huge chunks out of the park but have been widely welcomed as is the swimming pool.
However we believe a residential area is not the right place to build a football stadium.
Why can't you build it somewhere where it won't affect anybody? That way you'll have everybody behind you instead of everybody in the area resenting the club and all the bad publicity that goes with it.
When I moved in there was no sports centre, 5 a side, golf course etc, it was just the old airfield buildings and over the decades these have taken huge chunks out of the park but have been widely welcomed as is the swimming pool. However we believe a residential area is not the right place to build a football stadium. Why can't you build it somewhere where it won't affect anybody? That way you'll have everybody behind you instead of everybody in the area resenting the club and all the bad publicity that goes with it. Rebeldiamond
  • Score: 6

4:58pm Wed 11 Jun 14

liketoknow says...

Rebeldiamond wrote:
When I moved in there was no sports centre, 5 a side, golf course etc, it was just the old airfield buildings and over the decades these have taken huge chunks out of the park but have been widely welcomed as is the swimming pool.
However we believe a residential area is not the right place to build a football stadium.
Why can't you build it somewhere where it won't affect anybody? That way you'll have everybody behind you instead of everybody in the area resenting the club and all the bad publicity that goes with it.
you've omitted to say how many football pitches were on there. must have been at least eight . I played on there. it has always been a sports facility
[quote][p][bold]Rebeldiamond[/bold] wrote: When I moved in there was no sports centre, 5 a side, golf course etc, it was just the old airfield buildings and over the decades these have taken huge chunks out of the park but have been widely welcomed as is the swimming pool. However we believe a residential area is not the right place to build a football stadium. Why can't you build it somewhere where it won't affect anybody? That way you'll have everybody behind you instead of everybody in the area resenting the club and all the bad publicity that goes with it.[/p][/quote]you've omitted to say how many football pitches were on there. must have been at least eight . I played on there. it has always been a sports facility liketoknow
  • Score: 0

5:58pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Rebeldiamond says...

You haven't answered my question
You haven't answered my question Rebeldiamond
  • Score: 4

7:24pm Wed 11 Jun 14

liketoknow says...

I would have thought building a football stadium would be one of the best ways to preserve the site for recreation . It's only a matter of time before some greedy property developer is going to start getting ideas. with our wonderful council protecting our interests who knows what might happen.
I would have thought building a football stadium would be one of the best ways to preserve the site for recreation . It's only a matter of time before some greedy property developer is going to start getting ideas. with our wonderful council protecting our interests who knows what might happen. liketoknow
  • Score: -8

7:27pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Perfman says...

It very rich trying to weasel your way in by calling it the "community stadium". It’s a football club for football boys. Why don't some of your offer the ground near where you live - oh you wouldn't like the idea - thought not! So get off your high horses and listen to the local people who use this space every day and know its value. They do not want a single use stadium built!
It very rich trying to weasel your way in by calling it the "community stadium". It’s a football club for football boys. Why don't some of your offer the ground near where you live - oh you wouldn't like the idea - thought not! So get off your high horses and listen to the local people who use this space every day and know its value. They do not want a single use stadium built! Perfman
  • Score: -3

7:30pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Perfman says...

Worcester Lad wrote:
Jabbadad wrote:
Well the Northern Worcester residents object to any developements be it housing or a Northern Link road. What is so special that these nimbies can hold the City to ransom, do they own the whole of Northern Worcestershire?
With good inclusive planning Perdiswell could be a really good sports developement with access from Droitwich Road, a propper swimming pool no doubt also Opposed by the locals, and additional sports facilities including football which won't attract Thousands of troublesom fans. And no I am not a City football supporter. And I can remember Bilford Road before the Blanquettes and many other houses were built. So alright Jack me thinks.
Apparently the locals don't mind a swimming pool and a possible new playground ,it is just the football stadium they don't want .There is plenty of space for all. But that could change if the council decides to sell of some of their assets to the private market, and Perdiswell is a prime site for affordable housing.
No they don’t mind an indoor pool but they hate the idea on a single use outdoor shouting arena.

And Jabbadaddddda why not look for some space close to you - there must be some...... thought not!
[quote][p][bold]Worcester Lad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Well the Northern Worcester residents object to any developements be it housing or a Northern Link road. What is so special that these nimbies can hold the City to ransom, do they own the whole of Northern Worcestershire? With good inclusive planning Perdiswell could be a really good sports developement with access from Droitwich Road, a propper swimming pool no doubt also Opposed by the locals, and additional sports facilities including football which won't attract Thousands of troublesom fans. And no I am not a City football supporter. And I can remember Bilford Road before the Blanquettes and many other houses were built. So alright Jack me thinks.[/p][/quote]Apparently the locals don't mind a swimming pool and a possible new playground ,it is just the football stadium they don't want .There is plenty of space for all. But that could change if the council decides to sell of some of their assets to the private market, and Perdiswell is a prime site for affordable housing.[/p][/quote]No they don’t mind an indoor pool but they hate the idea on a single use outdoor shouting arena. And Jabbadaddddda why not look for some space close to you - there must be some...... thought not! Perfman
  • Score: 3

7:34pm Wed 11 Jun 14

lambi34 says...

what a surprise,here we go again i dont want a football stadium in my back yard, i dont want a park and ride either, i dont want disruption i dont want noise i dont want a factory next door i dont want a youth club round the corner but i do want a field so i can walk my dog and it can do its business every where so i dont have to pick it up. for those people who always say no, get a life and move to the countryside where life stands still.
what a surprise,here we go again i dont want a football stadium in my back yard, i dont want a park and ride either, i dont want disruption i dont want noise i dont want a factory next door i dont want a youth club round the corner but i do want a field so i can walk my dog and it can do its business every where so i dont have to pick it up. for those people who always say no, get a life and move to the countryside where life stands still. lambi34
  • Score: -6

7:37pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Worcester Lad says...

Rebeldiamond wrote:
When I moved in there was no sports centre, 5 a side, golf course etc, it was just the old airfield buildings and over the decades these have taken huge chunks out of the park but have been widely welcomed as is the swimming pool.
However we believe a residential area is not the right place to build a football stadium.
Why can't you build it somewhere where it won't affect anybody? That way you'll have everybody behind you instead of everybody in the area resenting the club and all the bad publicity that goes with it.
A good point .I do not have a answer except, I am sure other sites have been looked at but these could be out of town which could make it difficult to get to. We could now be faced with a reduced bus system meaning some supporters would be unable to attend matches so the football club would suffer with a lower attendance ,which if that was to happen the club could go the same way as Hereford and that would be another sad day. If a way round this problem could be found then that would be great.
[quote][p][bold]Rebeldiamond[/bold] wrote: When I moved in there was no sports centre, 5 a side, golf course etc, it was just the old airfield buildings and over the decades these have taken huge chunks out of the park but have been widely welcomed as is the swimming pool. However we believe a residential area is not the right place to build a football stadium. Why can't you build it somewhere where it won't affect anybody? That way you'll have everybody behind you instead of everybody in the area resenting the club and all the bad publicity that goes with it.[/p][/quote]A good point .I do not have a answer except, I am sure other sites have been looked at but these could be out of town which could make it difficult to get to. We could now be faced with a reduced bus system meaning some supporters would be unable to attend matches so the football club would suffer with a lower attendance ,which if that was to happen the club could go the same way as Hereford and that would be another sad day. If a way round this problem could be found then that would be great. Worcester Lad
  • Score: 1

7:45pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Worcester Lad says...

Perfman wrote:
It very rich trying to weasel your way in by calling it the "community stadium". It’s a football club for football boys. Why don't some of your offer the ground near where you live - oh you wouldn't like the idea - thought not! So get off your high horses and listen to the local people who use this space every day and know its value. They do not want a single use stadium built!
Sorry but I do live near there and my views were not asked for.I would love the football club to relocate to Perdiswell There will just be a little less space for the dogs leave their calling card.
[quote][p][bold]Perfman[/bold] wrote: It very rich trying to weasel your way in by calling it the "community stadium". It’s a football club for football boys. Why don't some of your offer the ground near where you live - oh you wouldn't like the idea - thought not! So get off your high horses and listen to the local people who use this space every day and know its value. They do not want a single use stadium built![/p][/quote]Sorry but I do live near there and my views were not asked for.I would love the football club to relocate to Perdiswell There will just be a little less space for the dogs leave their calling card. Worcester Lad
  • Score: -5

7:46pm Wed 11 Jun 14

lambi34 says...

here we go again negative people who dont want anything in there backyard and dont want change,funny how they want green fields but i bet they dont walk around those fields unless they walk their dogs so that they can do their business and probably dont even pick it up either. You dont want a stadium on your doorstep but you want object to more houses being built with less car parking on the street which causes arguments. i bet if worcester city were in the top leagues you wouldnt complain because you would be in that stadium.
here we go again negative people who dont want anything in there backyard and dont want change,funny how they want green fields but i bet they dont walk around those fields unless they walk their dogs so that they can do their business and probably dont even pick it up either. You dont want a stadium on your doorstep but you want object to more houses being built with less car parking on the street which causes arguments. i bet if worcester city were in the top leagues you wouldnt complain because you would be in that stadium. lambi34
  • Score: -6

7:52pm Wed 11 Jun 14

liketoknow says...

Perfman wrote:
It very rich trying to weasel your way in by calling it the "community stadium". It’s a football club for football boys. Why don't some of your offer the ground near where you live - oh you wouldn't like the idea - thought not! So get off your high horses and listen to the local people who use this space every day and know its value. They do not want a single use stadium built!
they could gladly have some from my area. unfortunately they're building thousands of houses on it.
[quote][p][bold]Perfman[/bold] wrote: It very rich trying to weasel your way in by calling it the "community stadium". It’s a football club for football boys. Why don't some of your offer the ground near where you live - oh you wouldn't like the idea - thought not! So get off your high horses and listen to the local people who use this space every day and know its value. They do not want a single use stadium built![/p][/quote]they could gladly have some from my area. unfortunately they're building thousands of houses on it. liketoknow
  • Score: -5

9:05pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Jabbadad says...

Perfman The old ground is just being erased from by where I live, however even with the inconvenience over the parking and a minimum ammount fo noise from such small crowds I didn't complain.
And I am of an age to have witnessed the visit to Worcester of Liverpool, and now that was a packed venue and the crowd noise was an inspiration to all within earshot.
And as said Perdiswell open spaces are for the City residents as a whole, not just the City Northeners who seem to have laid claim to its use.
And I am not a City fan, so quite unbiased. And I am also sure that you Perfman must be involved or supportive of something that might not appeal to me but Hey Ho.
Perfman The old ground is just being erased from by where I live, however even with the inconvenience over the parking and a minimum ammount fo noise from such small crowds I didn't complain. And I am of an age to have witnessed the visit to Worcester of Liverpool, and now that was a packed venue and the crowd noise was an inspiration to all within earshot. And as said Perdiswell open spaces are for the City residents as a whole, not just the City Northeners who seem to have laid claim to its use. And I am not a City fan, so quite unbiased. And I am also sure that you Perfman must be involved or supportive of something that might not appeal to me but Hey Ho. Jabbadad
  • Score: -8

11:39pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Doogie 46 says...

I fail to see how tjhe wide open spaces of a SPORTS FACILITY such as Perdiswell can be described as a residential area or even more ludicrously by Rebeldiamond as his prize assett - there has been twenty or thirty football pitches there for more than sixty years. A small stadium is not going to change anything. It`s NOT a dog walking course - did anyone complain about the Park and Ride or the bowling alley taking up the precious dog - pooing space?
Now if a council estate was built there bringing down the value of those nice houses off Bilford Road then it WOULD be a residential area - be careful what you wish for...........
I fail to see how tjhe wide open spaces of a SPORTS FACILITY such as Perdiswell can be described as a residential area or even more ludicrously by Rebeldiamond as his prize assett - there has been twenty or thirty football pitches there for more than sixty years. A small stadium is not going to change anything. It`s NOT a dog walking course - did anyone complain about the Park and Ride or the bowling alley taking up the precious dog - pooing space? Now if a council estate was built there bringing down the value of those nice houses off Bilford Road then it WOULD be a residential area - be careful what you wish for........... Doogie 46
  • Score: -7

1:18am Thu 12 Jun 14

Andy_R says...

"a series of surveys have been commissioned to build support for the bid."

Isn't the idea of a survey to find out what people think, rather than to change their minds? Any survey that sets out to give a specific result should be treated with caution.
"a series of surveys have been commissioned to build support for the bid." Isn't the idea of a survey to find out what people think, rather than to change their minds? Any survey that sets out to give a specific result should be treated with caution. Andy_R
  • Score: 9

9:49am Thu 12 Jun 14

CityBlueBoy says...

Rebeldiamond wrote:
Worcesterlad you had a ground, you sold it. You have no money, you want perdiswell for peanuts. We are not going to lie down and let you take such a prized asset away from us without a fight.
What an idiotic, clueless comment !

Dont build a small football ground but build a Morrisons on there !
[quote][p][bold]Rebeldiamond[/bold] wrote: Worcesterlad you had a ground, you sold it. You have no money, you want perdiswell for peanuts. We are not going to lie down and let you take such a prized asset away from us without a fight.[/p][/quote]What an idiotic, clueless comment ! Dont build a small football ground but build a Morrisons on there ! CityBlueBoy
  • Score: -12

11:54am Thu 12 Jun 14

RedRoom says...

liketoknow wrote:
Rebeldiamond wrote:
When I moved in there was no sports centre, 5 a side, golf course etc, it was just the old airfield buildings and over the decades these have taken huge chunks out of the park but have been widely welcomed as is the swimming pool.
However we believe a residential area is not the right place to build a football stadium.
Why can't you build it somewhere where it won't affect anybody? That way you'll have everybody behind you instead of everybody in the area resenting the club and all the bad publicity that goes with it.
you've omitted to say how many football pitches were on there. must have been at least eight . I played on there. it has always been a sports facility
liketoknow is right here, when I was young I used to walk there with my Grandfather and there were about 8 full time pitches in use. On Sunday mornings he used to cover my ears to protect me from the language that was being used on the pitches....especiall
y when rivals like 'The Castings' were playing 'Heenans' or similar!
[quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebeldiamond[/bold] wrote: When I moved in there was no sports centre, 5 a side, golf course etc, it was just the old airfield buildings and over the decades these have taken huge chunks out of the park but have been widely welcomed as is the swimming pool. However we believe a residential area is not the right place to build a football stadium. Why can't you build it somewhere where it won't affect anybody? That way you'll have everybody behind you instead of everybody in the area resenting the club and all the bad publicity that goes with it.[/p][/quote]you've omitted to say how many football pitches were on there. must have been at least eight . I played on there. it has always been a sports facility[/p][/quote]liketoknow is right here, when I was young I used to walk there with my Grandfather and there were about 8 full time pitches in use. On Sunday mornings he used to cover my ears to protect me from the language that was being used on the pitches....especiall y when rivals like 'The Castings' were playing 'Heenans' or similar! RedRoom
  • Score: -1

1:14pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Jeremy Pitt says...

Rebeldiamond wrote:
When I moved in there was no sports centre, 5 a side, golf course etc, it was just the old airfield buildings and over the decades these have taken huge chunks out of the park but have been widely welcomed as is the swimming pool.
However we believe a residential area is not the right place to build a football stadium.
Why can't you build it somewhere where it won't affect anybody? That way you'll have everybody behind you instead of everybody in the area resenting the club and all the bad publicity that goes with it.
you mean "why cant you build it somewhere else where it won't affect ME" Firstly this is not a stadium, this is an extremely modest ground, to the minimum standards for Football Conference level football to be played. But more importantly, this ground will be built so that it is not a single use facility. That has been the fault of sports stadia for too long. This football ground must be part of a scheme which allows for community use, and more than just football. There is no reason why other sports, such as lacrosse, rugby (amateur union and league), hockey, American football, could not make use of the football pitches. But also you should take a look at the AFC Telford scheme at the New Bucks Head, and how this facility is a bit of a football ground, but a lot of a community facility. providing education, leisure, community gatherings, associations, social services, all with nothing to do with football at all. Many services being provided via access to funding from both local and central government. This is the model that Telford and Wrekin Council have adopted and its provided a good source of revenue to the council in times where councils are strapped for cash.
Perdiswell is a millstone around the neck of WCC, it is designated as a sports and leisure facility, but WCC cannot afford to maintain it in its present state. The swimming pool plans, and the rebuild of the Sports Centre are a costly investment and a massive gamble. The easy alternative would be to look to sell off huge chunks of Perdiswell to property developers. WCC know that there is a huge deficit in the supply of social affordable housing. Perdiswell would be the ideal site for affordable housing, in a similar way to the developments at Blanquettes Estate and Drovers Way - both of which were once beautiful green areas (anyone living there with a conscience should consider how their own houses have "affected" the area. You must feel for those owners of big houses in Beech Avenue who have to look at little semi-detached houses at the bottom of their gardens! That must have been a lovely place for them to walk their dogs) So, if this planned development doesnt fly, then the likes of Barratt Homes, Miller Homes, Taylor Wimpey, Persimmon will all be eyeing this site, and money always talks. A bunch of dedicated but amateur volunteers who want to add value to community facilities and protect a football club as part of the community might be an easy target to beat down. A corporate monster like a national house builder would not be. Residents views? They ignore them completely. Planning regulations? They bypass them and worry about the consequences later. A house builder can buy land, have planning applications passed because if they don't they will appeal, and the council knows it cant afford to fight the big boys http://www.oxfordmai
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Make no mistake, Perdiswell will be built on, it has no protection other than as a sports and leisure facility, it is not in green belt although the golf course is. It is in the green network, but property developers care nothing for that.
[quote][p][bold]Rebeldiamond[/bold] wrote: When I moved in there was no sports centre, 5 a side, golf course etc, it was just the old airfield buildings and over the decades these have taken huge chunks out of the park but have been widely welcomed as is the swimming pool. However we believe a residential area is not the right place to build a football stadium. Why can't you build it somewhere where it won't affect anybody? That way you'll have everybody behind you instead of everybody in the area resenting the club and all the bad publicity that goes with it.[/p][/quote]you mean "why cant you build it somewhere else where it won't affect ME" Firstly this is not a stadium, this is an extremely modest ground, to the minimum standards for Football Conference level football to be played. But more importantly, this ground will be built so that it is not a single use facility. That has been the fault of sports stadia for too long. This football ground must be part of a scheme which allows for community use, and more than just football. There is no reason why other sports, such as lacrosse, rugby (amateur union and league), hockey, American football, could not make use of the football pitches. But also you should take a look at the AFC Telford scheme at the New Bucks Head, and how this facility is a bit of a football ground, but a lot of a community facility. providing education, leisure, community gatherings, associations, social services, all with nothing to do with football at all. Many services being provided via access to funding from both local and central government. This is the model that Telford and Wrekin Council have adopted and its provided a good source of revenue to the council in times where councils are strapped for cash. Perdiswell is a millstone around the neck of WCC, it is designated as a sports and leisure facility, but WCC cannot afford to maintain it in its present state. The swimming pool plans, and the rebuild of the Sports Centre are a costly investment and a massive gamble. The easy alternative would be to look to sell off huge chunks of Perdiswell to property developers. WCC know that there is a huge deficit in the supply of social affordable housing. Perdiswell would be the ideal site for affordable housing, in a similar way to the developments at Blanquettes Estate and Drovers Way - both of which were once beautiful green areas (anyone living there with a conscience should consider how their own houses have "affected" the area. You must feel for those owners of big houses in Beech Avenue who have to look at little semi-detached houses at the bottom of their gardens! That must have been a lovely place for them to walk their dogs) So, if this planned development doesnt fly, then the likes of Barratt Homes, Miller Homes, Taylor Wimpey, Persimmon will all be eyeing this site, and money always talks. A bunch of dedicated but amateur volunteers who want to add value to community facilities and protect a football club as part of the community might be an easy target to beat down. A corporate monster like a national house builder would not be. Residents views? They ignore them completely. Planning regulations? They bypass them and worry about the consequences later. A house builder can buy land, have planning applications passed because if they don't they will appeal, and the council knows it cant afford to fight the big boys http://www.oxfordmai l.co.uk/NEWS/1118068 5.New_developer_buys _fields_to_bid_for_s ame_homes_plan/?ref= rss Make no mistake, Perdiswell will be built on, it has no protection other than as a sports and leisure facility, it is not in green belt although the golf course is. It is in the green network, but property developers care nothing for that. Jeremy Pitt
  • Score: -4

1:26pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Jeremy Pitt says...

CityBlueBoy wrote:
Rebeldiamond wrote:
Worcesterlad you had a ground, you sold it. You have no money, you want perdiswell for peanuts. We are not going to lie down and let you take such a prized asset away from us without a fight.
What an idiotic, clueless comment !

Dont build a small football ground but build a Morrisons on there !
Rebeldiamond - the former board of WCFC Ltd. sold the ground, it was a disastrous deal, but thats what happens when you are dealing with national corporate property developers, they screw you. Are you aware that St Modwen have presented a planning application for a 20 acre retail park at Nunnery Way, without a football ground, and in the green network? They, or other developers like them, will lure the council with huge financial rewards to be able to build houses and/or light industrial units across Perdiswell, and the council, and the residents, will be powerless to stop them, unless of course, this asset is so prized that you're prepared to stump up 100,000 pounds to get a QC to represent you in court. Money talks, the City Supporters have very little, the City Council have very little, property developers have plenty. If a property developer offered a sweetener of 10,000 pounds to each and every one of those 800 objectors, how many would take it? I'm a rate payer, I pay for the city council to maintain your prized asset, I actually dont want to. Maybe the answer is for residents to buy Perdiswell from the Council? They are open to offers, so how prized is the asset?
[quote][p][bold]CityBlueBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebeldiamond[/bold] wrote: Worcesterlad you had a ground, you sold it. You have no money, you want perdiswell for peanuts. We are not going to lie down and let you take such a prized asset away from us without a fight.[/p][/quote]What an idiotic, clueless comment ! Dont build a small football ground but build a Morrisons on there ![/p][/quote]Rebeldiamond - the former board of WCFC Ltd. sold the ground, it was a disastrous deal, but thats what happens when you are dealing with national corporate property developers, they screw you. Are you aware that St Modwen have presented a planning application for a 20 acre retail park at Nunnery Way, without a football ground, and in the green network? They, or other developers like them, will lure the council with huge financial rewards to be able to build houses and/or light industrial units across Perdiswell, and the council, and the residents, will be powerless to stop them, unless of course, this asset is so prized that you're prepared to stump up 100,000 pounds to get a QC to represent you in court. Money talks, the City Supporters have very little, the City Council have very little, property developers have plenty. If a property developer offered a sweetener of 10,000 pounds to each and every one of those 800 objectors, how many would take it? I'm a rate payer, I pay for the city council to maintain your prized asset, I actually dont want to. Maybe the answer is for residents to buy Perdiswell from the Council? They are open to offers, so how prized is the asset? Jeremy Pitt
  • Score: -9

1:36pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Jabbadad says...

I think the comments of Perdiswell being built on are quite real. since those who live the Worcester Side of Fernhill Heath know that Fernhill Heath and Worcester will eventually become one, and sitting between the two is Perdiswell a Builders dream.
So while it is Topical to object, have petitons etc, the authorities and potential builders take little if any notice of these avenues of protest anyway.
And of Course Eric Pickles (CONservative secretary of State) has made it very easy for the Builders to overcome objections by submitting one set of plans, and when they fail from local councillors apeasing their voters, they Re-apply with a slightly ammended scheme , and away they go. The only way to have any say whatsoever is to be included in the consultations, not as objectors, but as local residents. You will not stop developement but you might well influence it's design, size, and impact on your future lives.
I think the comments of Perdiswell being built on are quite real. since those who live the Worcester Side of Fernhill Heath know that Fernhill Heath and Worcester will eventually become one, and sitting between the two is Perdiswell a Builders dream. So while it is Topical to object, have petitons etc, the authorities and potential builders take little if any notice of these avenues of protest anyway. And of Course Eric Pickles (CONservative secretary of State) has made it very easy for the Builders to overcome objections by submitting one set of plans, and when they fail from local councillors apeasing their voters, they Re-apply with a slightly ammended scheme , and away they go. The only way to have any say whatsoever is to be included in the consultations, not as objectors, but as local residents. You will not stop developement but you might well influence it's design, size, and impact on your future lives. Jabbadad
  • Score: -8

1:39pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Rebeldiamond says...

When your plans are rejected then we can regroup and discuss further possibilities regarding perdiswell. Right now we are awaiting your plans so we can hold further meetings
When your plans are rejected then we can regroup and discuss further possibilities regarding perdiswell. Right now we are awaiting your plans so we can hold further meetings Rebeldiamond
  • Score: 14

2:47pm Thu 12 Jun 14

themooman says...

I think the basic long and short of it is

Perdiswell will be built on, im not a follower of WCFC but if it annoys people that much i will going to every home game just to add an extra car to the problem, in the words of Kevin Keegan "I will love it" when this ground is built and it annoys people....

If you have an issue with the quarter stadium move house is what i suggest, or build your own house, that way you can live happily ever after. Im looking forward to "Rhys.Goodes" comments on this matter.
I think the basic long and short of it is Perdiswell will be built on, im not a follower of WCFC but if it annoys people that much i will going to every home game just to add an extra car to the problem, in the words of Kevin Keegan "I will love it" when this ground is built and it annoys people.... If you have an issue with the quarter stadium move house is what i suggest, or build your own house, that way you can live happily ever after. Im looking forward to "Rhys.Goodes" comments on this matter. themooman
  • Score: -13

2:52pm Thu 12 Jun 14

livinginworcester says...

All the usual comments from the stadium supporters - they continue to insult the local community with scaremongering, sarcastic and patronising comments - it's no wonder those living in the area don't have any confidence that the local environment and residents will be respected.
If they live in the area then they are obviously entitled to have an opinion!! With this level of opposition to the plans the supporters trust should do the right thing and drop the plans.
All the usual comments from the stadium supporters - they continue to insult the local community with scaremongering, sarcastic and patronising comments - it's no wonder those living in the area don't have any confidence that the local environment and residents will be respected. If they live in the area then they are obviously entitled to have an opinion!! With this level of opposition to the plans the supporters trust should do the right thing and drop the plans. livinginworcester
  • Score: 19

3:26pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Worcester Lad says...

Rebeldiamond wrote:
When your plans are rejected then we can regroup and discuss further possibilities regarding perdiswell. Right now we are awaiting your plans so we can hold further meetings
If the plans are rejected then so be it ,and that's when the big boys will be rubbing there hands to see who can get the best deal on the green space. If the plans are accepted any property developer who puts in a planning application to build,PPP would have the support of WCFC and it's supporters. It could be the lesser of two evils. Leave 98% of green (football) or shall we say, minimal green with 50/100 new builds and congestion .It might just bear thinking about.
[quote][p][bold]Rebeldiamond[/bold] wrote: When your plans are rejected then we can regroup and discuss further possibilities regarding perdiswell. Right now we are awaiting your plans so we can hold further meetings[/p][/quote]If the plans are rejected then so be it ,and that's when the big boys will be rubbing there hands to see who can get the best deal on the green space. If the plans are accepted any property developer who puts in a planning application to build,PPP would have the support of WCFC and it's supporters. It could be the lesser of two evils. Leave 98% of green (football) or shall we say, minimal green with 50/100 new builds and congestion .It might just bear thinking about. Worcester Lad
  • Score: -12

4:45pm Thu 12 Jun 14

liketoknow says...

livinginworcester wrote:
All the usual comments from the stadium supporters - they continue to insult the local community with scaremongering, sarcastic and patronising comments - it's no wonder those living in the area don't have any confidence that the local environment and residents will be respected.
If they live in the area then they are obviously entitled to have an opinion!! With this level of opposition to the plans the supporters trust should do the right thing and drop the plans.
I think they should be scared. there are housing developments being encouraged all over Worcester. we'd be naïve to think this area hasn't been considered. the Saturday football league has just folded through lack of teams. that big green space must be very tempting.
[quote][p][bold]livinginworcester[/bold] wrote: All the usual comments from the stadium supporters - they continue to insult the local community with scaremongering, sarcastic and patronising comments - it's no wonder those living in the area don't have any confidence that the local environment and residents will be respected. If they live in the area then they are obviously entitled to have an opinion!! With this level of opposition to the plans the supporters trust should do the right thing and drop the plans.[/p][/quote]I think they should be scared. there are housing developments being encouraged all over Worcester. we'd be naïve to think this area hasn't been considered. the Saturday football league has just folded through lack of teams. that big green space must be very tempting. liketoknow
  • Score: -10

5:19pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Roger5 says...

The field at Perdiswell is a sports area but with few facilities (and has been for donkeys' years). A properly thought through scheme utilising the existing entrances buildings, and the park and ride car park which will now become free will make sensible use of the existing venue, and provide a useful amenity for everyone to use. If you look on the web you will see that the demographic in Claines/Perdiswell is largely comprised of retired people. Just as the residents of St.Peter's had no say about the 'new estate' being built near them nor the residents of Warndon when Warndon Villages went up, the north Worcester residents really need to accept some change. Up to now they have escaped any major change to their area. They really need to think about what's good for every resident, and not just themselves! Who would deprive the town of excellent sports facilities except a stuck-in-the mud? I used to live within yards of the old Worcester City ground. Yes there was a bit of congestion every other week, but so what? Not the end of the world. I really hope the Perdiswell scheme goes ahead.
The field at Perdiswell is a sports area but with few facilities (and has been for donkeys' years). A properly thought through scheme utilising the existing entrances buildings, and the park and ride car park which will now become free will make sensible use of the existing venue, and provide a useful amenity for everyone to use. If you look on the web you will see that the demographic in Claines/Perdiswell is largely comprised of retired people. Just as the residents of St.Peter's had no say about the 'new estate' being built near them nor the residents of Warndon when Warndon Villages went up, the north Worcester residents really need to accept some change. Up to now they have escaped any major change to their area. They really need to think about what's good for every resident, and not just themselves! Who would deprive the town of excellent sports facilities except a stuck-in-the mud? I used to live within yards of the old Worcester City ground. Yes there was a bit of congestion every other week, but so what? Not the end of the world. I really hope the Perdiswell scheme goes ahead. Roger5
  • Score: -8

5:39pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Jeremy Pitt says...

livinginworcester wrote:
All the usual comments from the stadium supporters - they continue to insult the local community with scaremongering, sarcastic and patronising comments - it's no wonder those living in the area don't have any confidence that the local environment and residents will be respected.
If they live in the area then they are obviously entitled to have an opinion!! With this level of opposition to the plans the supporters trust should do the right thing and drop the plans.
We are the local community, we are the rate payers who contribute towards the services in Worcester, we are the people who also would like to use the facilities at Perdiswell if they were up to standard.
[quote][p][bold]livinginworcester[/bold] wrote: All the usual comments from the stadium supporters - they continue to insult the local community with scaremongering, sarcastic and patronising comments - it's no wonder those living in the area don't have any confidence that the local environment and residents will be respected. If they live in the area then they are obviously entitled to have an opinion!! With this level of opposition to the plans the supporters trust should do the right thing and drop the plans.[/p][/quote]We are the local community, we are the rate payers who contribute towards the services in Worcester, we are the people who also would like to use the facilities at Perdiswell if they were up to standard. Jeremy Pitt
  • Score: -5

5:48pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Jeremy Pitt says...

Rebeldiamond wrote:
When your plans are rejected then we can regroup and discuss further possibilities regarding perdiswell. Right now we are awaiting your plans so we can hold further meetings
Well, you're not, you're objecting to a plan you haven't even seen. If this plan safeguarded 80% of Perdiswell from future development in the future, allowing all residents of Worcester, not just those who live next door to Perdiswell to enjoy the green space, would you object? If the 20% taken for development provided community facilities for all residents of Worcester, old and young, linked to education needs, linked to social needs, would you object? And if the scheme brought it much needed revenues into the coffers of WCC, allowing them to maintain the site, and other sites in Worcester for the benefit of the residents of Worcester, without having to raise taxes, would you object?
There might end up being no plans to object to !! How much would you pay to protect this prize asset? There's no reason why the residents couldn't put together a planning application themselves to create a rural community paradise on the site. But don't forget, this is a sports and recreation site, so Sport England won't be very pleased to lose even more playing fields, but get involved in a planning process, you've already got 800 supporters, sounds like a goer to me! I can't understand why no-one has not already done this to protect such a prized asset.
[quote][p][bold]Rebeldiamond[/bold] wrote: When your plans are rejected then we can regroup and discuss further possibilities regarding perdiswell. Right now we are awaiting your plans so we can hold further meetings[/p][/quote]Well, you're not, you're objecting to a plan you haven't even seen. If this plan safeguarded 80% of Perdiswell from future development in the future, allowing all residents of Worcester, not just those who live next door to Perdiswell to enjoy the green space, would you object? If the 20% taken for development provided community facilities for all residents of Worcester, old and young, linked to education needs, linked to social needs, would you object? And if the scheme brought it much needed revenues into the coffers of WCC, allowing them to maintain the site, and other sites in Worcester for the benefit of the residents of Worcester, without having to raise taxes, would you object? There might end up being no plans to object to !! How much would you pay to protect this prize asset? There's no reason why the residents couldn't put together a planning application themselves to create a rural community paradise on the site. But don't forget, this is a sports and recreation site, so Sport England won't be very pleased to lose even more playing fields, but get involved in a planning process, you've already got 800 supporters, sounds like a goer to me! I can't understand why no-one has not already done this to protect such a prized asset. Jeremy Pitt
  • Score: -9

6:01pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Jeremy Pitt says...

liketoknow wrote:
livinginworcester wrote:
All the usual comments from the stadium supporters - they continue to insult the local community with scaremongering, sarcastic and patronising comments - it's no wonder those living in the area don't have any confidence that the local environment and residents will be respected.
If they live in the area then they are obviously entitled to have an opinion!! With this level of opposition to the plans the supporters trust should do the right thing and drop the plans.
I think they should be scared. there are housing developments being encouraged all over Worcester. we'd be naïve to think this area hasn't been considered. the Saturday football league has just folded through lack of teams. that big green space must be very tempting.
More than just tempting, and WCC will happily sell the land to the right bidder! The right bidder will of course be the one who pays the most, and in order to recoup that money, you're looking at high density affordable housing. Plus a developer could sweeten up the council with a bid that includes a rebuilt sports centre, which solves another WCC funding issue. As soon as the planning application hits the planning portal, the big housebuilders software packages will be spidering the portal, and find this large chunk of land with a planning request lodged. From then on wheels, and palms, will be greased! There is no valid planning reason why Perdiswell should not be considered for high density affordable housing, there is already a good schools network there, and it is an urban area, and a housebuilder would be able to come to a financial arrangement with Sport England for loss of playing fields. I predict that the Supporters Trust will be invited to talk with housebuilders about a joint venture on the site. If you think this is scaremongering, just look at what is happening up at St. Peters.
[quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livinginworcester[/bold] wrote: All the usual comments from the stadium supporters - they continue to insult the local community with scaremongering, sarcastic and patronising comments - it's no wonder those living in the area don't have any confidence that the local environment and residents will be respected. If they live in the area then they are obviously entitled to have an opinion!! With this level of opposition to the plans the supporters trust should do the right thing and drop the plans.[/p][/quote]I think they should be scared. there are housing developments being encouraged all over Worcester. we'd be naïve to think this area hasn't been considered. the Saturday football league has just folded through lack of teams. that big green space must be very tempting.[/p][/quote]More than just tempting, and WCC will happily sell the land to the right bidder! The right bidder will of course be the one who pays the most, and in order to recoup that money, you're looking at high density affordable housing. Plus a developer could sweeten up the council with a bid that includes a rebuilt sports centre, which solves another WCC funding issue. As soon as the planning application hits the planning portal, the big housebuilders software packages will be spidering the portal, and find this large chunk of land with a planning request lodged. From then on wheels, and palms, will be greased! There is no valid planning reason why Perdiswell should not be considered for high density affordable housing, there is already a good schools network there, and it is an urban area, and a housebuilder would be able to come to a financial arrangement with Sport England for loss of playing fields. I predict that the Supporters Trust will be invited to talk with housebuilders about a joint venture on the site. If you think this is scaremongering, just look at what is happening up at St. Peters. Jeremy Pitt
  • Score: -9

6:07pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Jeremy Pitt says...

Perfman wrote:
It very rich trying to weasel your way in by calling it the "community stadium". It’s a football club for football boys. Why don't some of your offer the ground near where you live - oh you wouldn't like the idea - thought not! So get off your high horses and listen to the local people who use this space every day and know its value. They do not want a single use stadium built!
I'd love it in my area, I look at what Telford have done, and FC United, and wish there were more like it. I'd love to have facilities to take clients, somewhere my kids and their friends could use for social matters, somewhere providing education facilities where my boy could go and increase his computer skills outside school. Somewhere my Mum could go to do her line dancing, or my Dad to play table tennis, or hold his allotment meetings. Somewhere I could go to exercise more, and use the other facilities like the swimming pool.
I'm probably going to move back to that end of the City, I used to live a stones throw from St. Georges Lane, and my only regret was that it was a single use stadium. Thank goodness that this plan isn't going to be single use.
[quote][p][bold]Perfman[/bold] wrote: It very rich trying to weasel your way in by calling it the "community stadium". It’s a football club for football boys. Why don't some of your offer the ground near where you live - oh you wouldn't like the idea - thought not! So get off your high horses and listen to the local people who use this space every day and know its value. They do not want a single use stadium built![/p][/quote]I'd love it in my area, I look at what Telford have done, and FC United, and wish there were more like it. I'd love to have facilities to take clients, somewhere my kids and their friends could use for social matters, somewhere providing education facilities where my boy could go and increase his computer skills outside school. Somewhere my Mum could go to do her line dancing, or my Dad to play table tennis, or hold his allotment meetings. Somewhere I could go to exercise more, and use the other facilities like the swimming pool. I'm probably going to move back to that end of the City, I used to live a stones throw from St. Georges Lane, and my only regret was that it was a single use stadium. Thank goodness that this plan isn't going to be single use. Jeremy Pitt
  • Score: -11

6:11pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Jeremy Pitt says...

Andy_R wrote:
"a series of surveys have been commissioned to build support for the bid."

Isn't the idea of a survey to find out what people think, rather than to change their minds? Any survey that sets out to give a specific result should be treated with caution.
No, these are surveys required by planning regulations that provide supporting documentation to the planning application put forward to the planning committee.
[quote][p][bold]Andy_R[/bold] wrote: "a series of surveys have been commissioned to build support for the bid." Isn't the idea of a survey to find out what people think, rather than to change their minds? Any survey that sets out to give a specific result should be treated with caution.[/p][/quote]No, these are surveys required by planning regulations that provide supporting documentation to the planning application put forward to the planning committee. Jeremy Pitt
  • Score: -9

6:14pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Doogie 46 says...

My earler comment regarding the building of a council estate (sorry - affordable homes) on Perdiswell was made partly in jest - however Jeremy Pitt`s excellent and more serious and informed comment puts it into a more serious perspective. School sports grounds all over the country have been sold for development by the previous and current governments and no doubt this will continue under whoever is next in power. When I played local league football three private sports grounds, Nalgo, Heenans and the Porcelain adjoined Perdiswell to the north - all have gone. I always found it a horrible windy place to play and there are now quite a few much nicer places so it`s a place of last resort thes days.
Given that in the forseeable future governments and councils of all colours are going to be under pressure to produce more houses, planning laws will be greatly relaxed and "Perdiswells" everywhere will be under threat .
Rebeldiamond seems to have a somewhat simplistic view of his powers of obstruction - I suspect his future choice is limited to Worcester City`s socially friendly plan or ultimately having thousands of new neighbours courtesy of a powerful property developer.
As I said earlier, - be careful what you wsh for.
My earler comment regarding the building of a council estate (sorry - affordable homes) on Perdiswell was made partly in jest - however Jeremy Pitt`s excellent and more serious and informed comment puts it into a more serious perspective. School sports grounds all over the country have been sold for development by the previous and current governments and no doubt this will continue under whoever is next in power. When I played local league football three private sports grounds, Nalgo, Heenans and the Porcelain adjoined Perdiswell to the north - all have gone. I always found it a horrible windy place to play and there are now quite a few much nicer places so it`s a place of last resort thes days. Given that in the forseeable future governments and councils of all colours are going to be under pressure to produce more houses, planning laws will be greatly relaxed and "Perdiswells" everywhere will be under threat . Rebeldiamond seems to have a somewhat simplistic view of his powers of obstruction - I suspect his future choice is limited to Worcester City`s socially friendly plan or ultimately having thousands of new neighbours courtesy of a powerful property developer. As I said earlier, - be careful what you wsh for. Doogie 46
  • Score: -9

6:35pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Doogie 46 says...

Just a further point - those objectors, obviously living in the immediate area, seem to think (as rebeldiamond claims ) Perdiswell is THEIR prize asset and only THEIR opinions matter.
Those sports fields were created for use by the whole of Worcester - not just people occupying a small number of houses close by. We in other parts of the city have as much claim on Perdiswell as they think they do.
Just a further point - those objectors, obviously living in the immediate area, seem to think (as rebeldiamond claims ) Perdiswell is THEIR prize asset and only THEIR opinions matter. Those sports fields were created for use by the whole of Worcester - not just people occupying a small number of houses close by. We in other parts of the city have as much claim on Perdiswell as they think they do. Doogie 46
  • Score: -9

6:49pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Worcester Lad says...

I see in tonights Worcester News that the 8 lane pool could be re-visited .I would think that would take up more green space than a football ground. Plus if this is accepted the road congestion that is worrying some residents will become a reality, not just on a Saturday, but possibly 350 days a year .Any Objections?
I see in tonights Worcester News that the 8 lane pool could be re-visited .I would think that would take up more green space than a football ground. Plus if this is accepted the road congestion that is worrying some residents will become a reality, not just on a Saturday, but possibly 350 days a year .Any Objections? Worcester Lad
  • Score: -10

7:19pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Rebeldiamond says...

Where did I say it's MY prized asset??
It's a prized asset for everybody, whereas if you get your way it will be taken away for between 500 and 750 supporters, how can the powers that be justify that?
Also to all the supporters saying it's full of dog s**t I doubt you've ever even been there, it's nonsense.
I have no proof of who it was but 1 of the objectors had their car smeared in dog s**t and it just so happened to be displaying a protect perdiswell display in the window.
Make of that what you will but clearly you can see why we don't want that kind of person(s) in the neighbourhood.
Where did I say it's MY prized asset?? It's a prized asset for everybody, whereas if you get your way it will be taken away for between 500 and 750 supporters, how can the powers that be justify that? Also to all the supporters saying it's full of dog s**t I doubt you've ever even been there, it's nonsense. I have no proof of who it was but 1 of the objectors had their car smeared in dog s**t and it just so happened to be displaying a protect perdiswell display in the window. Make of that what you will but clearly you can see why we don't want that kind of person(s) in the neighbourhood. Rebeldiamond
  • Score: 13

8:12pm Thu 12 Jun 14

liketoknow says...

Rebeldiamond wrote:
Where did I say it's MY prized asset??
It's a prized asset for everybody, whereas if you get your way it will be taken away for between 500 and 750 supporters, how can the powers that be justify that?
Also to all the supporters saying it's full of dog s**t I doubt you've ever even been there, it's nonsense.
I have no proof of who it was but 1 of the objectors had their car smeared in dog s**t and it just so happened to be displaying a protect perdiswell display in the window.
Make of that what you will but clearly you can see why we don't want that kind of person(s) in the neighbourhood.
are you really suggesting that football supporters go round throwing dogmuck about? we're not hooligans we're football fans.
[quote][p][bold]Rebeldiamond[/bold] wrote: Where did I say it's MY prized asset?? It's a prized asset for everybody, whereas if you get your way it will be taken away for between 500 and 750 supporters, how can the powers that be justify that? Also to all the supporters saying it's full of dog s**t I doubt you've ever even been there, it's nonsense. I have no proof of who it was but 1 of the objectors had their car smeared in dog s**t and it just so happened to be displaying a protect perdiswell display in the window. Make of that what you will but clearly you can see why we don't want that kind of person(s) in the neighbourhood.[/p][/quote]are you really suggesting that football supporters go round throwing dogmuck about? we're not hooligans we're football fans. liketoknow
  • Score: -1

8:23pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Worcester Lad says...

Rebeldiamond wrote:
Where did I say it's MY prized asset??
It's a prized asset for everybody, whereas if you get your way it will be taken away for between 500 and 750 supporters, how can the powers that be justify that?
Also to all the supporters saying it's full of dog s**t I doubt you've ever even been there, it's nonsense.
I have no proof of who it was but 1 of the objectors had their car smeared in dog s**t and it just so happened to be displaying a protect perdiswell display in the window.
Make of that what you will but clearly you can see why we don't want that kind of person(s) in the neighbourhood.
I use Perdiswell at least twice a week in all seasons and all weathers.There has never been a time when I have not seen dog messI If you would like to walk the parameter sometimes you would come across some .I am sorry for your friends car, that was disgusting, but you say that you have no proof ,so it could've been anyone even someone from your neighborhood I don't' have a camera phone, but I am sure if you needed evidence someone could oblige you.
[quote][p][bold]Rebeldiamond[/bold] wrote: Where did I say it's MY prized asset?? It's a prized asset for everybody, whereas if you get your way it will be taken away for between 500 and 750 supporters, how can the powers that be justify that? Also to all the supporters saying it's full of dog s**t I doubt you've ever even been there, it's nonsense. I have no proof of who it was but 1 of the objectors had their car smeared in dog s**t and it just so happened to be displaying a protect perdiswell display in the window. Make of that what you will but clearly you can see why we don't want that kind of person(s) in the neighbourhood.[/p][/quote]I use Perdiswell at least twice a week in all seasons and all weathers.There has never been a time when I have not seen dog messI If you would like to walk the parameter sometimes you would come across some .I am sorry for your friends car, that was disgusting, but you say that you have no proof ,so it could've been anyone even someone from your neighborhood I don't' have a camera phone, but I am sure if you needed evidence someone could oblige you. Worcester Lad
  • Score: -11

10:15am Fri 13 Jun 14

livinginworcester says...

Jeremy Pitt wrote:
Perfman wrote:
It very rich trying to weasel your way in by calling it the "community stadium". It’s a football club for football boys. Why don't some of your offer the ground near where you live - oh you wouldn't like the idea - thought not! So get off your high horses and listen to the local people who use this space every day and know its value. They do not want a single use stadium built!
I'd love it in my area, I look at what Telford have done, and FC United, and wish there were more like it. I'd love to have facilities to take clients, somewhere my kids and their friends could use for social matters, somewhere providing education facilities where my boy could go and increase his computer skills outside school. Somewhere my Mum could go to do her line dancing, or my Dad to play table tennis, or hold his allotment meetings. Somewhere I could go to exercise more, and use the other facilities like the swimming pool.
I'm probably going to move back to that end of the City, I used to live a stones throw from St. Georges Lane, and my only regret was that it was a single use stadium. Thank goodness that this plan isn't going to be single use.
Jeremy Pitt wrote: I'd love to have facilities to take clients, somewhere my kids and their friends could use for social matters, somewhere providing education facilities where my boy could go and increase his computer skills outside school. Somewhere my Mum could go to do her line dancing, or my Dad to play table tennis, or hold his allotment meetings. ... Thank goodness that this plan isn't going to be single use.


Well you're going to be disappointed then - the planning application is only for a "modest" stadium and fenced 3G pitch - no conference facilities, no 5-aside pitches, no youth pitches, no other pitches. Nowhere for you to take clients, nowhere for your boy to increase his computer skills or your mum to go line dancing or your dad to play table tennis and hold allotment meetings - most of these activities can already be accommodated in the current leisure centre - does your family currently uses these facilities?
The leisure centre has been in limbo since the swimming pool plans were approved - there's no point investing in it or maintaining it when that money would be wasted if plans go ahead.
[quote][p][bold]Jeremy Pitt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Perfman[/bold] wrote: It very rich trying to weasel your way in by calling it the "community stadium". It’s a football club for football boys. Why don't some of your offer the ground near where you live - oh you wouldn't like the idea - thought not! So get off your high horses and listen to the local people who use this space every day and know its value. They do not want a single use stadium built![/p][/quote]I'd love it in my area, I look at what Telford have done, and FC United, and wish there were more like it. I'd love to have facilities to take clients, somewhere my kids and their friends could use for social matters, somewhere providing education facilities where my boy could go and increase his computer skills outside school. Somewhere my Mum could go to do her line dancing, or my Dad to play table tennis, or hold his allotment meetings. Somewhere I could go to exercise more, and use the other facilities like the swimming pool. I'm probably going to move back to that end of the City, I used to live a stones throw from St. Georges Lane, and my only regret was that it was a single use stadium. Thank goodness that this plan isn't going to be single use.[/p][/quote][quote][p][bold]Jeremy Pitt[/bold] wrote: I'd love to have facilities to take clients, somewhere my kids and their friends could use for social matters, somewhere providing education facilities where my boy could go and increase his computer skills outside school. Somewhere my Mum could go to do her line dancing, or my Dad to play table tennis, or hold his allotment meetings. ... Thank goodness that this plan isn't going to be single use.[/p][/quote] Well you're going to be disappointed then - the planning application is only for a "modest" stadium and fenced 3G pitch - no conference facilities, no 5-aside pitches, no youth pitches, no other pitches. Nowhere for you to take clients, nowhere for your boy to increase his computer skills or your mum to go line dancing or your dad to play table tennis and hold allotment meetings - most of these activities can already be accommodated in the current leisure centre - does your family currently uses these facilities? The leisure centre has been in limbo since the swimming pool plans were approved - there's no point investing in it or maintaining it when that money would be wasted if plans go ahead. livinginworcester
  • Score: 10

11:34am Fri 13 Jun 14

liketoknow says...

livinginworcester wrote:
Jeremy Pitt wrote:
Perfman wrote:
It very rich trying to weasel your way in by calling it the "community stadium". It’s a football club for football boys. Why don't some of your offer the ground near where you live - oh you wouldn't like the idea - thought not! So get off your high horses and listen to the local people who use this space every day and know its value. They do not want a single use stadium built!
I'd love it in my area, I look at what Telford have done, and FC United, and wish there were more like it. I'd love to have facilities to take clients, somewhere my kids and their friends could use for social matters, somewhere providing education facilities where my boy could go and increase his computer skills outside school. Somewhere my Mum could go to do her line dancing, or my Dad to play table tennis, or hold his allotment meetings. Somewhere I could go to exercise more, and use the other facilities like the swimming pool.
I'm probably going to move back to that end of the City, I used to live a stones throw from St. Georges Lane, and my only regret was that it was a single use stadium. Thank goodness that this plan isn't going to be single use.
Jeremy Pitt wrote: I'd love to have facilities to take clients, somewhere my kids and their friends could use for social matters, somewhere providing education facilities where my boy could go and increase his computer skills outside school. Somewhere my Mum could go to do her line dancing, or my Dad to play table tennis, or hold his allotment meetings. ... Thank goodness that this plan isn't going to be single use.


Well you're going to be disappointed then - the planning application is only for a "modest" stadium and fenced 3G pitch - no conference facilities, no 5-aside pitches, no youth pitches, no other pitches. Nowhere for you to take clients, nowhere for your boy to increase his computer skills or your mum to go line dancing or your dad to play table tennis and hold allotment meetings - most of these activities can already be accommodated in the current leisure centre - does your family currently uses these facilities?
The leisure centre has been in limbo since the swimming pool plans were approved - there's no point investing in it or maintaining it when that money would be wasted if plans go ahead.
if it's ''modest'' why are you so against it then?.
[quote][p][bold]livinginworcester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Pitt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Perfman[/bold] wrote: It very rich trying to weasel your way in by calling it the "community stadium". It’s a football club for football boys. Why don't some of your offer the ground near where you live - oh you wouldn't like the idea - thought not! So get off your high horses and listen to the local people who use this space every day and know its value. They do not want a single use stadium built![/p][/quote]I'd love it in my area, I look at what Telford have done, and FC United, and wish there were more like it. I'd love to have facilities to take clients, somewhere my kids and their friends could use for social matters, somewhere providing education facilities where my boy could go and increase his computer skills outside school. Somewhere my Mum could go to do her line dancing, or my Dad to play table tennis, or hold his allotment meetings. Somewhere I could go to exercise more, and use the other facilities like the swimming pool. I'm probably going to move back to that end of the City, I used to live a stones throw from St. Georges Lane, and my only regret was that it was a single use stadium. Thank goodness that this plan isn't going to be single use.[/p][/quote][quote][p][bold]Jeremy Pitt[/bold] wrote: I'd love to have facilities to take clients, somewhere my kids and their friends could use for social matters, somewhere providing education facilities where my boy could go and increase his computer skills outside school. Somewhere my Mum could go to do her line dancing, or my Dad to play table tennis, or hold his allotment meetings. ... Thank goodness that this plan isn't going to be single use.[/p][/quote] Well you're going to be disappointed then - the planning application is only for a "modest" stadium and fenced 3G pitch - no conference facilities, no 5-aside pitches, no youth pitches, no other pitches. Nowhere for you to take clients, nowhere for your boy to increase his computer skills or your mum to go line dancing or your dad to play table tennis and hold allotment meetings - most of these activities can already be accommodated in the current leisure centre - does your family currently uses these facilities? The leisure centre has been in limbo since the swimming pool plans were approved - there's no point investing in it or maintaining it when that money would be wasted if plans go ahead.[/p][/quote]if it's ''modest'' why are you so against it then?. liketoknow
  • Score: -7

5:25pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Jeremy Pitt says...

livinginworcester wrote:
Jeremy Pitt wrote:
Perfman wrote:
It very rich trying to weasel your way in by calling it the "community stadiumNot at all, you see, AFC Telford have a modest stadium , and provide all of this. The thing about a football ground is that, under the seating in the main stand, is the conference facilities, the rooms for hire, the facilities to provide community services. PLUS, the current sports centre is being rebuilt, and will provide shared facilties. Unfortunately me and my family cant use the leisure centre facilties as many of them are now unavailable due to council cuts, and this is unlikely to get any better. Its a shame as Perdiswell is earmarked as a regional recreational hub, and the City Council just cant afford to provide the services needed. This is an integrated plan to provide that regional recreational hub.
[quote][p][bold]livinginworcester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Pitt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Perfman[/bold] wrote: It very rich trying to weasel your way in by calling it the "community stadiumNot at all, you see, AFC Telford have a modest stadium , and provide all of this. The thing about a football ground is that, under the seating in the main stand, is the conference facilities, the rooms for hire, the facilities to provide community services. PLUS, the current sports centre is being rebuilt, and will provide shared facilties. Unfortunately me and my family cant use the leisure centre facilties as many of them are now unavailable due to council cuts, and this is unlikely to get any better. Its a shame as Perdiswell is earmarked as a regional recreational hub, and the City Council just cant afford to provide the services needed. This is an integrated plan to provide that regional recreational hub. Jeremy Pitt
  • Score: -9

5:25pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Jeremy Pitt says...

livinginworcester wrote:
Jeremy Pitt wrote:
Perfman wrote:
It very rich trying to weasel your way in by calling it the "community stadium". It’s a football club for football boys. Why don't some of your offer the ground near where you live - oh you wouldn't like the idea - thought not! So get off your high horses and listen to the local people who use this space every day and know its value. They do not want a single use stadium built!
I'd love it in my area, I look at what Telford have done, and FC United, and wish there were more like it. I'd love to have facilities to take clients, somewhere my kids and their friends could use for social matters, somewhere providing education facilities where my boy could go and increase his computer skills outside school. Somewhere my Mum could go to do her line dancing, or my Dad to play table tennis, or hold his allotment meetings. Somewhere I could go to exercise more, and use the other facilities like the swimming pool.
I'm probably going to move back to that end of the City, I used to live a stones throw from St. Georges Lane, and my only regret was that it was a single use stadium. Thank goodness that this plan isn't going to be single use.
Jeremy Pitt wrote: I'd love to have facilities to take clients, somewhere my kids and their friends could use for social matters, somewhere providing education facilities where my boy could go and increase his computer skills outside school. Somewhere my Mum could go to do her line dancing, or my Dad to play table tennis, or hold his allotment meetings. ... Thank goodness that this plan isn't going to be single use.


Well you're going to be disappointed then - the planning application is only for a "modest" stadium and fenced 3G pitch - no conference facilities, no 5-aside pitches, no youth pitches, no other pitches. Nowhere for you to take clients, nowhere for your boy to increase his computer skills or your mum to go line dancing or your dad to play table tennis and hold allotment meetings - most of these activities can already be accommodated in the current leisure centre - does your family currently uses these facilities?
The leisure centre has been in limbo since the swimming pool plans were approved - there's no point investing in it or maintaining it when that money would be wasted if plans go ahead.
Not at all, you see, AFC Telford have a modest stadium , and provide all of this. The thing about a football ground is that, under the seating in the main stand, is the conference facilities, the rooms for hire, the facilities to provide community services. PLUS, the current sports centre is being rebuilt, and will provide shared facilties. Unfortunately me and my family cant use the leisure centre facilties as many of them are now unavailable due to council cuts, and this is unlikely to get any better. Its a shame as Perdiswell is earmarked as a regional recreational hub, and the City Council just cant afford to provide the services needed. This is an integrated plan to provide that regional recreational hub.
[quote][p][bold]livinginworcester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy Pitt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Perfman[/bold] wrote: It very rich trying to weasel your way in by calling it the "community stadium". It’s a football club for football boys. Why don't some of your offer the ground near where you live - oh you wouldn't like the idea - thought not! So get off your high horses and listen to the local people who use this space every day and know its value. They do not want a single use stadium built![/p][/quote]I'd love it in my area, I look at what Telford have done, and FC United, and wish there were more like it. I'd love to have facilities to take clients, somewhere my kids and their friends could use for social matters, somewhere providing education facilities where my boy could go and increase his computer skills outside school. Somewhere my Mum could go to do her line dancing, or my Dad to play table tennis, or hold his allotment meetings. Somewhere I could go to exercise more, and use the other facilities like the swimming pool. I'm probably going to move back to that end of the City, I used to live a stones throw from St. Georges Lane, and my only regret was that it was a single use stadium. Thank goodness that this plan isn't going to be single use.[/p][/quote][quote][p][bold]Jeremy Pitt[/bold] wrote: I'd love to have facilities to take clients, somewhere my kids and their friends could use for social matters, somewhere providing education facilities where my boy could go and increase his computer skills outside school. Somewhere my Mum could go to do her line dancing, or my Dad to play table tennis, or hold his allotment meetings. ... Thank goodness that this plan isn't going to be single use.[/p][/quote] Well you're going to be disappointed then - the planning application is only for a "modest" stadium and fenced 3G pitch - no conference facilities, no 5-aside pitches, no youth pitches, no other pitches. Nowhere for you to take clients, nowhere for your boy to increase his computer skills or your mum to go line dancing or your dad to play table tennis and hold allotment meetings - most of these activities can already be accommodated in the current leisure centre - does your family currently uses these facilities? The leisure centre has been in limbo since the swimming pool plans were approved - there's no point investing in it or maintaining it when that money would be wasted if plans go ahead.[/p][/quote]Not at all, you see, AFC Telford have a modest stadium , and provide all of this. The thing about a football ground is that, under the seating in the main stand, is the conference facilities, the rooms for hire, the facilities to provide community services. PLUS, the current sports centre is being rebuilt, and will provide shared facilties. Unfortunately me and my family cant use the leisure centre facilties as many of them are now unavailable due to council cuts, and this is unlikely to get any better. Its a shame as Perdiswell is earmarked as a regional recreational hub, and the City Council just cant afford to provide the services needed. This is an integrated plan to provide that regional recreational hub. Jeremy Pitt
  • Score: -10

6:45pm Fri 13 Jun 14

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

There will be less impact on traffic at least than the chaos caused by the yummy mummies, daddies and grannies who abandon their cars on Bilford Road just so their little darlings don't have to walk too far at the end of the school day - it's no wonder we have an obesity epidemic!
There will be less impact on traffic at least than the chaos caused by the yummy mummies, daddies and grannies who abandon their cars on Bilford Road just so their little darlings don't have to walk too far at the end of the school day - it's no wonder we have an obesity epidemic! imustbeoldiwearacap
  • Score: -7

8:56pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Lew Smoralz says...

BC10ax wrote:
This reaction needs to be taken seriously.

There might be a headlong rush to create facilities which cater for a large-ish group, such as a football supporters club, but alienate a much larger group of people, in this case, the residents.
Perdiswell belongs to all of the citizens of Worcester. The local residents don't *OWN* it, they are just lucky enough to get to use it and enjoy it.

This survey shows that these nimbies think that nobody else should have any benefit other than their own selfish selves.

I have only contempt for these sad individuals who voted to keep the park just for themselves.

Their wishes should be ignored, and we should let our contempt for their selfish attitude be known.
[quote][p][bold]BC10ax[/bold] wrote: This reaction needs to be taken seriously. There might be a headlong rush to create facilities which cater for a large-ish group, such as a football supporters club, but alienate a much larger group of people, in this case, the residents.[/p][/quote]Perdiswell belongs to all of the citizens of Worcester. The local residents don't *OWN* it, they are just lucky enough to get to use it and enjoy it. This survey shows that these nimbies think that nobody else should have any benefit other than their own selfish selves. I have only contempt for these sad individuals who voted to keep the park just for themselves. Their wishes should be ignored, and we should let our contempt for their selfish attitude be known. Lew Smoralz
  • Score: -12

2:18pm Tue 17 Jun 14

themooman says...

when does the planning application for this 90'000 seater stadium go through?
when does the planning application for this 90'000 seater stadium go through? themooman
  • Score: 0

4:23pm Wed 25 Jun 14

brooksider says...

I am having problems identifying 24 streets that immediately surround Perdiswell Park.
I am having problems identifying 24 streets that immediately surround Perdiswell Park. brooksider
  • Score: -7

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