St Mary's trustees reveal reasons for rejecting parent group's business proposal

Worcester News: 2614632411 Paul Jackson 23.06.14 Worcester St Mary's Worcester, has announced that it is closing at the end of the academic year. (7444794) 2614632411 Paul Jackson 23.06.14 Worcester St Mary's Worcester, has announced that it is closing at the end of the academic year. (7444794)

TRUSTEES of St Mary's has revealed the reasons why they rejected a business plan put forward by parents battling to keep the independent school open.

A statement from the Catholic school's trustees said the proposals put forward by Parent Action Group (PAG) did not deal sufficiently with the structural financial issues of the trust.

It said there was no provision for the financial 'shock' as the school faced high maintenance costs and falling numbers forcing the "heartrending" decision to close the school.

Despite PAG already managing to raise over £100,000 in a week, the trustees said it could not be considered a viable option so they were obliged to refuse to support the plan.

According to the statement, the trustees had spent the last year "exhaustively exploring every possible avenue" to save the city's only all-girls' school.

"Chairman Andrew Cleary, working tirelessly alongside other governors, has attempted to prevent its closure, exploring options including further funding from the Catholic Order, finance from UK and overseas charitable trusts along with partnerships with other schools.

"However the school has been steadily losing money as a result of the combined effect of falling pupil numbers with high maintenance costs on the buildings and no further support was forthcoming.

"The trustees, many of whom are closely involved with the school, was finally forced make the heartrending decision to close the school in late June with the wellbeing of the girls, and most importantly, the stability of their educational futures, consistently at the forefront of the decision-making process.

"PAG was provided with the information memorandum from Grant Thornton and so were given exactly the same detailed figures necessary to put together such a plan as all the other trusts that had been approached over the last few months.

"However PAG, did not deal sufficiently with the structural financial issues of the trust and had no provision for financial ‘shock’ and with just £100,000 in pledges, including advanced fee payments, sadly could not be considered as a viable option, so the trustees’ were obliged to refuse to support the plan."

The statement added that the trustees offered to step down with immediate effect to be replaced by members of the PAG on the condition that the Order and their Advisers give the new plan their backing.

However, they also rejected the proposals.

St Mary's is due to close its doors on Friday with the school's nursery The Stables set to close in August.

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6:11pm Wed 9 Jul 14

PaulMeUnder says...

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7:44pm Wed 9 Jul 14

PaulMeUnder says...

It's seems the WEN have more info than us regarding the nursery! We were told by the nursery staff this week that they don't know if they will be open next week! We have had NO information from the school about this whatsoever!
It's seems the WEN have more info than us regarding the nursery! We were told by the nursery staff this week that they don't know if they will be open next week! We have had NO information from the school about this whatsoever! PaulMeUnder
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9:46pm Wed 9 Jul 14

F1 Dave says...

The Nursery has been dragged into the school situation.
The Nursery has children numbers that make it viable, it physical stands away from the main school and has its own Water, Gas, Electricity supplies and independent access. Why is this being closed?? Why is the Catholic Church closing this viable Nursery?? for the Catholic Church to do this is going against its core values. I kindly ask the Catholic Order to engage with the Nursery Parent Support Group. We would like to run this Nursery!!! and keep it open serving the community.
I ask the Parents that are at the Nursery to support the Nursery Staff in keeping it open. I believe it is time the Nursery had a voice.
The Nursery has been dragged into the school situation. The Nursery has children numbers that make it viable, it physical stands away from the main school and has its own Water, Gas, Electricity supplies and independent access. Why is this being closed?? Why is the Catholic Church closing this viable Nursery?? for the Catholic Church to do this is going against its core values. I kindly ask the Catholic Order to engage with the Nursery Parent Support Group. We would like to run this Nursery!!! and keep it open serving the community. I ask the Parents that are at the Nursery to support the Nursery Staff in keeping it open. I believe it is time the Nursery had a voice. F1 Dave
  • Score: 6

10:40pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Tony1978 says...

I have to agree, the nursery is a sustainable business. It's open to both sexes and has a thriving student numbers and fantastic staff, my daughter is very happy there.

Let's not forget St. Mary's Stables is one of the few nurseries in the area to take children under two!

I don't understand why would you look to close a child care facility when the government is promoting parents returning to work and using child care.

If the church and trustees have not already agreed to forward plans for the building and grounds, which everything indicated they have; it makes sense to keep the nursery open and under new management if necessary. It could at least operate from that location in the short term whilst new facilities were sourced in the local area to relocate to if they had to! If there is no agreed plan for the buildings and land then why just leave them dormant, sure a short term lease could be agreed with the nursery to continue in the self contained building?!
I have to agree, the nursery is a sustainable business. It's open to both sexes and has a thriving student numbers and fantastic staff, my daughter is very happy there. Let's not forget St. Mary's Stables is one of the few nurseries in the area to take children under two! I don't understand why would you look to close a child care facility when the government is promoting parents returning to work and using child care. If the church and trustees have not already agreed to forward plans for the building and grounds, which everything indicated they have; it makes sense to keep the nursery open and under new management if necessary. It could at least operate from that location in the short term whilst new facilities were sourced in the local area to relocate to if they had to! If there is no agreed plan for the buildings and land then why just leave them dormant, sure a short term lease could be agreed with the nursery to continue in the self contained building?! Tony1978
  • Score: 6

6:21am Thu 10 Jul 14

Reluctant Voice says...

F1 Dave wrote:
The Nursery has been dragged into the school situation.
The Nursery has children numbers that make it viable, it physical stands away from the main school and has its own Water, Gas, Electricity supplies and independent access. Why is this being closed?? Why is the Catholic Church closing this viable Nursery?? for the Catholic Church to do this is going against its core values. I kindly ask the Catholic Order to engage with the Nursery Parent Support Group. We would like to run this Nursery!!! and keep it open serving the community.
I ask the Parents that are at the Nursery to support the Nursery Staff in keeping it open. I believe it is time the Nursery had a voice.
For clarification, it is not "the Catholic Church" in that it is not a voluntary aided school that forms part of the schools of the Archdiocese of Birmingham. It is a separate independent school that is operating with a Catholic Christian ethos in buildings owned by a French order of nuns. The trustees of the school have made a decision to close the whole school. What role the order has in this remains unclear, but in their defence, they do have consider their mission across the whole world and have invested a lot of money without return in recent years. Nevertheless the Stables is an excellent nursery and if there is an opportunity to save it, then the trust should take it
[quote][p][bold]F1 Dave[/bold] wrote: The Nursery has been dragged into the school situation. The Nursery has children numbers that make it viable, it physical stands away from the main school and has its own Water, Gas, Electricity supplies and independent access. Why is this being closed?? Why is the Catholic Church closing this viable Nursery?? for the Catholic Church to do this is going against its core values. I kindly ask the Catholic Order to engage with the Nursery Parent Support Group. We would like to run this Nursery!!! and keep it open serving the community. I ask the Parents that are at the Nursery to support the Nursery Staff in keeping it open. I believe it is time the Nursery had a voice.[/p][/quote]For clarification, it is not "the Catholic Church" in that it is not a voluntary aided school that forms part of the schools of the Archdiocese of Birmingham. It is a separate independent school that is operating with a Catholic Christian ethos in buildings owned by a French order of nuns. The trustees of the school have made a decision to close the whole school. What role the order has in this remains unclear, but in their defence, they do have consider their mission across the whole world and have invested a lot of money without return in recent years. Nevertheless the Stables is an excellent nursery and if there is an opportunity to save it, then the trust should take it Reluctant Voice
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11:09am Thu 10 Jul 14

another_furious_parent says...

What a self serving load of cobblers from the trustees. The trustees actions to date have been laughably incompetent and dominated by the mindset of continuing to repeat the same behaviours over and over again with the hope of a different outcome. Einstein's definition of madness. Overspending hundreds of thousands of pounds every year and repeatedly borrowing to cover this is the economic vandalism visited on this country by our previous government. The school had become a business not a charitable organization when the nuns left and should have modified its behaviour accordingly. Any normal business would have started cutting costs and doing its damnedest to improve market share. It appears none of this was done. Yes it would have been painful, but ultimately the school could have survived. If you don't have enough business you lay off staff. Simple. Basic. Kindergarten business strategy. What qualifications did these trustees have to manage a multi-million turnover business. Why, when the parent body contained numerous successful businessmen, lawyers, accountants etc did the trustees not seek advice. How on earth could they think it OK to operate for nearly a year without a bursar? The PAG could not possibly put together a valid business plan based on a begging letter 'information memorandum'. They need the books. They need to see all the incomings and outgoings. They need to see the redundancy committments. They need to see the cashflows. They need to know all the potential problems with the buildings so they can find affordable solutions. So the boilers need replacement. Have they asked Worcester Bosch to provide them for free for good publicity. If they did and they refused did they offer a long term payment plan. Have they looked into the government's green deal ? What have they been doing actively to address these problems rather than going cap in hand to other trusts, hoping that they might ignore the problems and bail them out ? The PAG need answers to every question they ask. The trustees refusal to divulge this level of information is starting to stink of cover up.
For the stables parents I'm afraid there is a problem in continuing the nursery provision seperately. It would require a completely new undertaking to be formed, otherwise all the staff in the junior, middle and senior schools would be liable to redundancy payments from the existing trust.
What a self serving load of cobblers from the trustees. The trustees actions to date have been laughably incompetent and dominated by the mindset of continuing to repeat the same behaviours over and over again with the hope of a different outcome. Einstein's definition of madness. Overspending hundreds of thousands of pounds every year and repeatedly borrowing to cover this is the economic vandalism visited on this country by our previous government. The school had become a business not a charitable organization when the nuns left and should have modified its behaviour accordingly. Any normal business would have started cutting costs and doing its damnedest to improve market share. It appears none of this was done. Yes it would have been painful, but ultimately the school could have survived. If you don't have enough business you lay off staff. Simple. Basic. Kindergarten business strategy. What qualifications did these trustees have to manage a multi-million turnover business. Why, when the parent body contained numerous successful businessmen, lawyers, accountants etc did the trustees not seek advice. How on earth could they think it OK to operate for nearly a year without a bursar? The PAG could not possibly put together a valid business plan based on a begging letter 'information memorandum'. They need the books. They need to see all the incomings and outgoings. They need to see the redundancy committments. They need to see the cashflows. They need to know all the potential problems with the buildings so they can find affordable solutions. So the boilers need replacement. Have they asked Worcester Bosch to provide them for free for good publicity. If they did and they refused did they offer a long term payment plan. Have they looked into the government's green deal ? What have they been doing actively to address these problems rather than going cap in hand to other trusts, hoping that they might ignore the problems and bail them out ? The PAG need answers to every question they ask. The trustees refusal to divulge this level of information is starting to stink of cover up. For the stables parents I'm afraid there is a problem in continuing the nursery provision seperately. It would require a completely new undertaking to be formed, otherwise all the staff in the junior, middle and senior schools would be liable to redundancy payments from the existing trust. another_furious_parent
  • Score: 14

9:42pm Thu 10 Jul 14

And another thing... says...

At the closure meeting, parents of children at the stables nursery were told that it would close in August. However parents of children in the pre school year have been told by the office that that class may...or may not be closing TOMORROW! The staff (including apparently the head) STILL don't know! Try finding nursery care in the south of the city with that little notice!! throughout this whole sorry mess, the Trustees have not had the common decency send a letter, email or even stick a post it note to the front door of the nursery to inform parents as to what is going on. This disgraceful lack of communication shows a total disregard for the families and staff of the stables who we trusted to look after our babies, which they have done with an astounding level of love and care. The Trustees may be sitting behind their calculators and spreadsheets convincing themselves that they have done the best possible job but on reflection, they should be ashamed of themselves for the way they have treated everyone at the nursery.
At the closure meeting, parents of children at the stables nursery were told that it would close in August. However parents of children in the pre school year have been told by the office that that class may...or may not be closing TOMORROW! The staff (including apparently the head) STILL don't know! Try finding nursery care in the south of the city with that little notice!! throughout this whole sorry mess, the Trustees have not had the common decency send a letter, email or even stick a post it note to the front door of the nursery to inform parents as to what is going on. This disgraceful lack of communication shows a total disregard for the families and staff of the stables who we trusted to look after our babies, which they have done with an astounding level of love and care. The Trustees may be sitting behind their calculators and spreadsheets convincing themselves that they have done the best possible job but on reflection, they should be ashamed of themselves for the way they have treated everyone at the nursery. And another thing...
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10:03pm Thu 10 Jul 14

F1 Dave says...

My son is in the Nursery, the staff are Fantastic, they have been given No updated information. I view from the trustees press statements that the Nursery will shut at the end of August. This is informative information is given by the trustees. I would and all other parents would view this as a breach of notice by the trustees if the Nursery closed before the date they have set.
The Trustees should hang there heads in shame. they have let down the children, yep the very children they should be looking after. I say to you if you are a Trustee, when you were a small little Boy or Girl you were looked after until you could look after yourself. Why are you now not looking after the small little Boys and Girls. Why!! Do the right thing you have children.
My son is in the Nursery, the staff are Fantastic, they have been given No updated information. I view from the trustees press statements that the Nursery will shut at the end of August. This is informative information is given by the trustees. I would and all other parents would view this as a breach of notice by the trustees if the Nursery closed before the date they have set. The Trustees should hang there heads in shame. they have let down the children, yep the very children they should be looking after. I say to you if you are a Trustee, when you were a small little Boy or Girl you were looked after until you could look after yourself. Why are you now not looking after the small little Boys and Girls. Why!! Do the right thing you have children. F1 Dave
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7:46am Fri 11 Jul 14

Geva says...

Tony1978 wrote:
I have to agree, the nursery is a sustainable business. It's open to both sexes and has a thriving student numbers and fantastic staff, my daughter is very happy there.

Let's not forget St. Mary's Stables is one of the few nurseries in the area to take children under two!

I don't understand why would you look to close a child care facility when the government is promoting parents returning to work and using child care.

If the church and trustees have not already agreed to forward plans for the building and grounds, which everything indicated they have; it makes sense to keep the nursery open and under new management if necessary. It could at least operate from that location in the short term whilst new facilities were sourced in the local area to relocate to if they had to! If there is no agreed plan for the buildings and land then why just leave them dormant, sure a short term lease could be agreed with the nursery to continue in the self contained building?!
It may be a self contained building but its part of the complex as a whole and they clearly don't want to tie that up even in the short term.
Someone may have plans for the buildings already.
It all sounds very odd and even if the supporters found £700.000 without a good business plan and a forensic financial examination of what went wrong that money would be wasted.
[quote][p][bold]Tony1978[/bold] wrote: I have to agree, the nursery is a sustainable business. It's open to both sexes and has a thriving student numbers and fantastic staff, my daughter is very happy there. Let's not forget St. Mary's Stables is one of the few nurseries in the area to take children under two! I don't understand why would you look to close a child care facility when the government is promoting parents returning to work and using child care. If the church and trustees have not already agreed to forward plans for the building and grounds, which everything indicated they have; it makes sense to keep the nursery open and under new management if necessary. It could at least operate from that location in the short term whilst new facilities were sourced in the local area to relocate to if they had to! If there is no agreed plan for the buildings and land then why just leave them dormant, sure a short term lease could be agreed with the nursery to continue in the self contained building?![/p][/quote]It may be a self contained building but its part of the complex as a whole and they clearly don't want to tie that up even in the short term. Someone may have plans for the buildings already. It all sounds very odd and even if the supporters found £700.000 without a good business plan and a forensic financial examination of what went wrong that money would be wasted. Geva
  • Score: 0

8:33am Fri 11 Jul 14

Tony1978 says...

Geva wrote:
Tony1978 wrote:
I have to agree, the nursery is a sustainable business. It's open to both sexes and has a thriving student numbers and fantastic staff, my daughter is very happy there.

Let's not forget St. Mary's Stables is one of the few nurseries in the area to take children under two!

I don't understand why would you look to close a child care facility when the government is promoting parents returning to work and using child care.

If the church and trustees have not already agreed to forward plans for the building and grounds, which everything indicated they have; it makes sense to keep the nursery open and under new management if necessary. It could at least operate from that location in the short term whilst new facilities were sourced in the local area to relocate to if they had to! If there is no agreed plan for the buildings and land then why just leave them dormant, sure a short term lease could be agreed with the nursery to continue in the self contained building?!
It may be a self contained building but its part of the complex as a whole and they clearly don't want to tie that up even in the short term.
Someone may have plans for the buildings already.
It all sounds very odd and even if the supporters found £700.000 without a good business plan and a forensic financial examination of what went wrong that money would be wasted.
It's a little difficult to do any financial accounting, forensic or not when the trustees refused to divulge the figures to the parents trying to build the business plan.

From my understanding the business plan was sound however the 'risk' was around there not being enough money for contingencies. The trustee were concerned that there was not enough money to cover any costs for building issues that may arise over the summer. The PAG managed to raise £200k in a week, I am sure given time (end of July) they could have reached in excess of £500k. Seems very strange that the board of trustees are in such a rush to close the school, surely if the continuation of St. Mary's was truly at their hearts, they would want to exhaust every possible avenue of its survival before declaring it a lost cause!
[quote][p][bold]Geva[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony1978[/bold] wrote: I have to agree, the nursery is a sustainable business. It's open to both sexes and has a thriving student numbers and fantastic staff, my daughter is very happy there. Let's not forget St. Mary's Stables is one of the few nurseries in the area to take children under two! I don't understand why would you look to close a child care facility when the government is promoting parents returning to work and using child care. If the church and trustees have not already agreed to forward plans for the building and grounds, which everything indicated they have; it makes sense to keep the nursery open and under new management if necessary. It could at least operate from that location in the short term whilst new facilities were sourced in the local area to relocate to if they had to! If there is no agreed plan for the buildings and land then why just leave them dormant, sure a short term lease could be agreed with the nursery to continue in the self contained building?![/p][/quote]It may be a self contained building but its part of the complex as a whole and they clearly don't want to tie that up even in the short term. Someone may have plans for the buildings already. It all sounds very odd and even if the supporters found £700.000 without a good business plan and a forensic financial examination of what went wrong that money would be wasted.[/p][/quote]It's a little difficult to do any financial accounting, forensic or not when the trustees refused to divulge the figures to the parents trying to build the business plan. From my understanding the business plan was sound however the 'risk' was around there not being enough money for contingencies. The trustee were concerned that there was not enough money to cover any costs for building issues that may arise over the summer. The PAG managed to raise £200k in a week, I am sure given time (end of July) they could have reached in excess of £500k. Seems very strange that the board of trustees are in such a rush to close the school, surely if the continuation of St. Mary's was truly at their hearts, they would want to exhaust every possible avenue of its survival before declaring it a lost cause! Tony1978
  • Score: 6

12:22pm Fri 11 Jul 14

oldwusterboy says...

It seem to me the trustees already have a use for this site and the school / stables is just an inconvenience to them
It seem to me the trustees already have a use for this site and the school / stables is just an inconvenience to them oldwusterboy
  • Score: 8

8:03pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Tony1978 says...

Parents have just received an email informing us the nursery has now been closed and won't be open on Monday! So much for it going until the end of August....

The trustees obviously don't care about the pupils, staff or their families, we all have a weekend now to find alternative childcare next week onwards..... Thanks!
Parents have just received an email informing us the nursery has now been closed and won't be open on Monday! So much for it going until the end of August.... The trustees obviously don't care about the pupils, staff or their families, we all have a weekend now to find alternative childcare next week onwards..... Thanks! Tony1978
  • Score: 4

8:23pm Fri 11 Jul 14

another_furious_parent says...

Well this is an interesting development isn't it. Shame that the school closed on a Friday rather than midweek when we could take some action. This means we can't knock on the doors of the administrators. I have been in the position of an employee of a company which went into administration. It was bought out for £1 and run as a going concern from there. Of course it was then a going concern because it no longer was responsible for the debts of its previous incarnation. Notice that the letters say that the duty of the administrators is to manage things to maximise the return to the creditors. It cannot be maximising the return to close down a profit making part of the trust while the administration is in progress. I will be consulting with my father-in-law who is a former insolvency practitioner. Though I am not a stables parent I am spitting feathers about how this has been handled and will do anything to help the stables parents who don't even have the luxury of a summer holiday to sort out alternative arrangements. It really is time to gird the loins folks, stop being polite and start getting mad !
Well this is an interesting development isn't it. Shame that the school closed on a Friday rather than midweek when we could take some action. This means we can't knock on the doors of the administrators. I have been in the position of an employee of a company which went into administration. It was bought out for £1 and run as a going concern from there. Of course it was then a going concern because it no longer was responsible for the debts of its previous incarnation. Notice that the letters say that the duty of the administrators is to manage things to maximise the return to the creditors. It cannot be maximising the return to close down a profit making part of the trust while the administration is in progress. I will be consulting with my father-in-law who is a former insolvency practitioner. Though I am not a stables parent I am spitting feathers about how this has been handled and will do anything to help the stables parents who don't even have the luxury of a summer holiday to sort out alternative arrangements. It really is time to gird the loins folks, stop being polite and start getting mad ! another_furious_parent
  • Score: 3

8:39pm Fri 11 Jul 14

F1 Dave says...

Tony1978 says...
Parents have just received an email informing us the nursery has now been closed and won't be open on Monday! So much for it going until the end of August....

The pledge was given by the Trustee to keep the Nursery open until the end of August, to be a Trustee you have to abide by the law. Are they accountable for this early closing of the stables???
Their moral standing is below the lowest of the low. I would never allow any of this bunch to even cut my grass, let alone run a school.
Hang your head in shame you have let down the youngest in your community. Yes the very children you as Trustees should have been helping.
Tony1978 says... Parents have just received an email informing us the nursery has now been closed and won't be open on Monday! So much for it going until the end of August.... The pledge was given by the Trustee to keep the Nursery open until the end of August, to be a Trustee you have to abide by the law. Are they accountable for this early closing of the stables??? Their moral standing is below the lowest of the low. I would never allow any of this bunch to even cut my grass, let alone run a school. Hang your head in shame you have let down the youngest in your community. Yes the very children you as Trustees should have been helping. F1 Dave
  • Score: 4

8:50pm Fri 11 Jul 14

F1 Dave says...

Thank you for your posting another_furious_pare
nt
I for one have my son there, and I know parents that are as outraged as yourself. You are so right "time for action"
Parents, good people of the community lets get this moving. pledge your support, I am very happy to attend a meeting to put pressure on the Church. I would run this Nursery it is very well attended, and is viable.
We should have support from the local councillor, it is his community that this Fantastic Nursery is in.
Thank you for your posting another_furious_pare nt I for one have my son there, and I know parents that are as outraged as yourself. You are so right "time for action" Parents, good people of the community lets get this moving. pledge your support, I am very happy to attend a meeting to put pressure on the Church. I would run this Nursery it is very well attended, and is viable. We should have support from the local councillor, it is his community that this Fantastic Nursery is in. F1 Dave
  • Score: 2

11:13pm Fri 11 Jul 14

QeSmithy says...

Unbelievable that the trustees wait until after 6pm on a Friday evening to tell the parents that the nursery will not open again on Monday. This despite pledges less than a few weeks ago stating that it would remain open until the end of August.

There is no way those parents are going to be able to sort anything by Monday. Why didn't they tell us earlier in the week so at least we would have had a chance or arrange something?

They should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
Unbelievable that the trustees wait until after 6pm on a Friday evening to tell the parents that the nursery will not open again on Monday. This despite pledges less than a few weeks ago stating that it would remain open until the end of August. There is no way those parents are going to be able to sort anything by Monday. Why didn't they tell us earlier in the week so at least we would have had a chance or arrange something? They should be utterly ashamed of themselves. QeSmithy
  • Score: 2

12:09am Sat 12 Jul 14

Nic478 says...

F1 Dave wrote:
Thank you for your posting another_furious_pare

nt
I for one have my son there, and I know parents that are as outraged as yourself. You are so right "time for action"
Parents, good people of the community lets get this moving. pledge your support, I am very happy to attend a meeting to put pressure on the Church. I would run this Nursery it is very well attended, and is viable.
We should have support from the local councillor, it is his community that this Fantastic Nursery is in.
The site is owned by the Order. You need to persuade them you can run it and it is viable. Truth is nurseries that take babies are expensive to run, that is why there are not many. Why if it is viable are there not more in Worcester?
[quote][p][bold]F1 Dave[/bold] wrote: Thank you for your posting another_furious_pare nt I for one have my son there, and I know parents that are as outraged as yourself. You are so right "time for action" Parents, good people of the community lets get this moving. pledge your support, I am very happy to attend a meeting to put pressure on the Church. I would run this Nursery it is very well attended, and is viable. We should have support from the local councillor, it is his community that this Fantastic Nursery is in.[/p][/quote]The site is owned by the Order. You need to persuade them you can run it and it is viable. Truth is nurseries that take babies are expensive to run, that is why there are not many. Why if it is viable are there not more in Worcester? Nic478
  • Score: 4

12:13am Sat 12 Jul 14

Nic478 says...

Businesses go into administration every day. There was plenty of warning that this was going to happen, once announced the pressure on any business intensifies, often accelerating administration. It is a shame for all involved.
Businesses go into administration every day. There was plenty of warning that this was going to happen, once announced the pressure on any business intensifies, often accelerating administration. It is a shame for all involved. Nic478
  • Score: 1

10:26am Sat 12 Jul 14

F1 Dave says...

In reply to you Nic478
The Order are the owners of the site / Buildings and yes care for babies is costly.
But this Nursery had 60 to 70 children with an age range from 1 unto 4 years old (per school) I will tell you a fact this is viable to run, I would take over this Nursery on Monday if the trustees would let me. I know of others that would take on the running of this Nursery. So please don't tell me how to run a profitable Nursery.
Nic478 are you a trustee??? you sound like you are!!

The other point is the Order, they have been using the Catholic Church as their Religious front of house. Just like a franchise.
In closing the Nursery before their pledged date at the end of August, is a breach of this pledge. This gives the Catholic Church very bad press by their Religious association.
This Nursery has not gone out of business, it has been put out of business . The community has lost infant care, anyone who wants to run the Nursery is stone walled by the trustees. I believe the Catholic Church has a responsibility, even if it is to clear its association with the Religious Order.
In reply to you Nic478 The Order are the owners of the site / Buildings and yes care for babies is costly. But this Nursery had 60 to 70 children with an age range from 1 unto 4 years old (per school) I will tell you a fact this is viable to run, I would take over this Nursery on Monday if the trustees would let me. I know of others that would take on the running of this Nursery. So please don't tell me how to run a profitable Nursery. Nic478 are you a trustee??? you sound like you are!! The other point is the Order, they have been using the Catholic Church as their Religious front of house. Just like a franchise. In closing the Nursery before their pledged date at the end of August, is a breach of this pledge. This gives the Catholic Church very bad press by their Religious association. This Nursery has not gone out of business, it has been put out of business . The community has lost infant care, anyone who wants to run the Nursery is stone walled by the trustees. I believe the Catholic Church has a responsibility, even if it is to clear its association with the Religious Order. F1 Dave
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3:26pm Sat 12 Jul 14

And another thing... says...

Nic478 wrote:
Businesses go into administration every day. There was plenty of warning that this was going to happen, once announced the pressure on any business intensifies, often accelerating administration. It is a shame for all involved.
There certainly was not 'plenty of warning.' Soon after the head announced she was leaving, there was a letter from the chair of the Trustees quashing rumours that the school was to close (the first we had heard of any such rumours not having anything to do with the school) There was then another letter saying they were looking into the possibility of a school restructuring (again nothing to do with the nursery) Then parents meeting and now the school is closing. To be deliberately misled and then to be sold a pup again about the extra time the nursery was going to be open, was, according to the letter to a legal obligation to maximise revenue for the creditors. I'm pleased that the Trust felt no such moral obligation to stressed working parents and distressed toddlers. It must be lovely to exonerate yourself with a 'we had to do it and in time I'm sure you'll come to agree with us' letter. Maybe that's what Catholicism has got going for it - Forgive yourself and don't worry too much about how your incompetence and deception has affected other people. Not to mention the deposits (£500 by the way non parents) which there's not a mention of being returned, that were being taken off parents just days before the closure meeting. Shameful and disgraceful behaviour whichever way you look at it.
[quote][p][bold]Nic478[/bold] wrote: Businesses go into administration every day. There was plenty of warning that this was going to happen, once announced the pressure on any business intensifies, often accelerating administration. It is a shame for all involved.[/p][/quote]There certainly was not 'plenty of warning.' Soon after the head announced she was leaving, there was a letter from the chair of the Trustees quashing rumours that the school was to close (the first we had heard of any such rumours not having anything to do with the school) There was then another letter saying they were looking into the possibility of a school restructuring (again nothing to do with the nursery) Then parents meeting and now the school is closing. To be deliberately misled and then to be sold a pup again about the extra time the nursery was going to be open, was, according to the letter to a legal obligation to maximise revenue for the creditors. I'm pleased that the Trust felt no such moral obligation to stressed working parents and distressed toddlers. It must be lovely to exonerate yourself with a 'we had to do it and in time I'm sure you'll come to agree with us' letter. Maybe that's what Catholicism has got going for it - Forgive yourself and don't worry too much about how your incompetence and deception has affected other people. Not to mention the deposits (£500 by the way non parents) which there's not a mention of being returned, that were being taken off parents just days before the closure meeting. Shameful and disgraceful behaviour whichever way you look at it. And another thing...
  • Score: 6

4:38pm Sat 12 Jul 14

A teacher says...

F1 Dave wrote:
Thank you for your posting another_furious_pare

nt
I for one have my son there, and I know parents that are as outraged as yourself. You are so right "time for action"
Parents, good people of the community lets get this moving. pledge your support, I am very happy to attend a meeting to put pressure on the Church. I would run this Nursery it is very well attended, and is viable.
We should have support from the local councillor, it is his community that this Fantastic Nursery is in.
"put pressure on The Church" ? why ? What has it got to do with them ? The Bishop has no control over this. St Mary's isn't even a Catholic school. Action is needed, certainly, but do take care in choosing your targets.
[quote][p][bold]F1 Dave[/bold] wrote: Thank you for your posting another_furious_pare nt I for one have my son there, and I know parents that are as outraged as yourself. You are so right "time for action" Parents, good people of the community lets get this moving. pledge your support, I am very happy to attend a meeting to put pressure on the Church. I would run this Nursery it is very well attended, and is viable. We should have support from the local councillor, it is his community that this Fantastic Nursery is in.[/p][/quote]"put pressure on The Church" ? why ? What has it got to do with them ? The Bishop has no control over this. St Mary's isn't even a Catholic school. Action is needed, certainly, but do take care in choosing your targets. A teacher
  • Score: 0

6:37pm Sat 12 Jul 14

another_furious_parent says...

"put pressure on The Church" ? why ? What has it got to do with them ? The Bishop has no control over this. St Mary's isn't even a Catholic school. Action is needed, certainly, but do take care in choosing your targets.

Hear hear. This is not a religious issue it is a business one. The order is frankly (and rightly) more interested now in providing education to poverty stricken african and asian children than in subsidising a private education for rich white english children. That is why it had become an independent school and dropped 'convent' from it's name. No the targets must surely be the trustees who so patently were derelict in their duties.
"put pressure on The Church" ? why ? What has it got to do with them ? The Bishop has no control over this. St Mary's isn't even a Catholic school. Action is needed, certainly, but do take care in choosing your targets. Hear hear. This is not a religious issue it is a business one. The order is frankly (and rightly) more interested now in providing education to poverty stricken african and asian children than in subsidising a private education for rich white english children. That is why it had become an independent school and dropped 'convent' from it's name. No the targets must surely be the trustees who so patently were derelict in their duties. another_furious_parent
  • Score: 5

9:22pm Sat 12 Jul 14

F1 Dave says...

Now I have got your attention, What are we going to do about it????
I am all ears; another_furious_pare
nt and A teacher, please help the children??
Now I have got your attention, What are we going to do about it???? I am all ears; another_furious_pare nt and A teacher, please help the children?? F1 Dave
  • Score: -1

10:56pm Sat 12 Jul 14

another_furious_parent says...

F1 Dave,
will get back to you tomorrow once I've consulted the expert
F1 Dave, will get back to you tomorrow once I've consulted the expert another_furious_parent
  • Score: 1

6:26pm Sun 13 Jul 14

another_furious_parent says...

F1 Dave.
The administrators have a duty to continue any profit making part of the business. It is possible they don't actually have the financial information. Anyway I believe it would be extraordinarily damaging to the order if they now refused the nursery access to the building at least until August and it is likely that the trusts insurance would remain in place. The only way to sort this out though is going to visit the administrators and get it from the horses mouth. I will be at the school at 8:30 to see if I can see someone from the administrators. Are you prepared to meet me there ?
F1 Dave. The administrators have a duty to continue any profit making part of the business. It is possible they don't actually have the financial information. Anyway I believe it would be extraordinarily damaging to the order if they now refused the nursery access to the building at least until August and it is likely that the trusts insurance would remain in place. The only way to sort this out though is going to visit the administrators and get it from the horses mouth. I will be at the school at 8:30 to see if I can see someone from the administrators. Are you prepared to meet me there ? another_furious_parent
  • Score: 0

7:43am Mon 14 Jul 14

F1 Dave says...

another_furious_pare
nt
Thank you for your reply I will see you there at 8.30 by the Nursery Gate.
Kind Regards
F1 Dave
another_furious_pare nt Thank you for your reply I will see you there at 8.30 by the Nursery Gate. Kind Regards F1 Dave F1 Dave
  • Score: -2

10:27am Mon 14 Jul 14

JamesLee says...

Hi there all (esp another_furious_pare
nt and F1 Dave)

i'm trying to get my £500 deposit back and was told on Friday that the office will be open this week. Looks like its not then??
Any luck on administrators, etc? Happy to be involved and help where i can
Hi there all (esp another_furious_pare nt and F1 Dave) i'm trying to get my £500 deposit back and was told on Friday that the office will be open this week. Looks like its not then?? Any luck on administrators, etc? Happy to be involved and help where i can JamesLee
  • Score: 0

10:35am Mon 14 Jul 14

JamesLee says...

Have administrators been appointed? Do we have their contact details?
Thanks!
Have administrators been appointed? Do we have their contact details? Thanks! JamesLee
  • Score: 0

10:55am Mon 14 Jul 14

danieled says...

JamesLee wrote:
Have administrators been appointed? Do we have their contact details?
Thanks!
They were appointed on Friday at 8pm. I have seen a letter from the administrators which gave email addresses to contact, but I don't have a copy of that letter. If nobody on this blog gives you those addresses, the administrators are:

Smith and Williamson
3rd Floor
9 Colmore Row
Birmingham B3 2BJ

Tel 0121 710 5200

You could give them a call and they will put you in touch.
[quote][p][bold]JamesLee[/bold] wrote: Have administrators been appointed? Do we have their contact details? Thanks![/p][/quote]They were appointed on Friday at 8pm. I have seen a letter from the administrators which gave email addresses to contact, but I don't have a copy of that letter. If nobody on this blog gives you those addresses, the administrators are: Smith and Williamson 3rd Floor 9 Colmore Row Birmingham B3 2BJ Tel 0121 710 5200 You could give them a call and they will put you in touch. danieled
  • Score: 3

5:18pm Mon 14 Jul 14

another_furious_parent says...

F! Dave
Could you give me a call. I didn't get your number
F! Dave Could you give me a call. I didn't get your number another_furious_parent
  • Score: 0

8:06am Tue 15 Jul 14

another_furious_parent says...

The Administrators were told that the direct debits coming in for the Stables amounted to 13k a month. This was clearly insufficient to cover the staff and other costs. I have been told that there are between 60 and 70 children in the stables. This would equate to an average charge of £200pm
By this reckoning the 'Average' number of days per child would be 1. This seems unlikely. On pressing I discovered that some children pay a term in advance. In this case those up front fees disappear into the receivership and the parents become creditors and have to stand in line with everyone else. I have subsequently discovered that other parents pay on invoicing. How many parents have invoices at the moment for future fees ? These would have been considered when making the trading decision if the Administrators had been made aware of them ? Also for parents who paid termly, what were the term dates. Again if the prepaid term finished in a couple of days then it would have completely changed the equation. Please folks I need some answers to these questions to treat effectively with the Administrators.
The Administrators were told that the direct debits coming in for the Stables amounted to 13k a month. This was clearly insufficient to cover the staff and other costs. I have been told that there are between 60 and 70 children in the stables. This would equate to an average charge of £200pm By this reckoning the 'Average' number of days per child would be 1. This seems unlikely. On pressing I discovered that some children pay a term in advance. In this case those up front fees disappear into the receivership and the parents become creditors and have to stand in line with everyone else. I have subsequently discovered that other parents pay on invoicing. How many parents have invoices at the moment for future fees ? These would have been considered when making the trading decision if the Administrators had been made aware of them ? Also for parents who paid termly, what were the term dates. Again if the prepaid term finished in a couple of days then it would have completely changed the equation. Please folks I need some answers to these questions to treat effectively with the Administrators. another_furious_parent
  • Score: 2

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