Protest to take place in Worcester

First published in News

A PROTEST against the treatment of people in Palestine is set to take place in Worcester city centre on Friday.

The event, which will be held in front of the Guildhall in Worcester, between 3pm and 5.30pm, has been organised by Qammar Yaqub.

The Worcester resident said he and his sister have arranged the protest as they care about the poor treatment of the innocent people in the country.

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4:56pm Mon 14 Jul 14

mwalid says...

Great way to create awareness on the genocide committed by the zionist israeli government.
Great way to create awareness on the genocide committed by the zionist israeli government. mwalid
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5:03pm Mon 14 Jul 14

bmoc55 says...

If only Hamas would stop sending rockets into Israel
If only Hamas would stop sending rockets into Israel bmoc55
  • Score: -5

5:14pm Mon 14 Jul 14

The Boy says...

Excerpts from an article by Ilan Pappe, who addressed a public meeting in Worcester on 24th April:

‘…Since 1994, even before the rise of Hamas to power in the Gaza Strip, the very particular geopolitical location of the Strip made it clear that any collective punitive action, such as the one inflicted now, could only be an operation of massive killings and destruction. In other words, of a continued genocide…

‘…A world that would stop employing double standards in its dealings with Israel is a world that could be far more effective in its response to war crimes elsewhere in the world.’

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Excerpts from an article by Ilan Pappe, who addressed a public meeting in Worcester on 24th April: ‘…Since 1994, even before the rise of Hamas to power in the Gaza Strip, the very particular geopolitical location of the Strip made it clear that any collective punitive action, such as the one inflicted now, could only be an operation of massive killings and destruction. In other words, of a continued genocide… ‘…A world that would stop employing double standards in its dealings with Israel is a world that could be far more effective in its response to war crimes elsewhere in the world.’ http://electronicint ifada.net/content/is raels-incremental-ge nocide-gaza-ghetto/1 3562 The Boy
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6:27pm Mon 14 Jul 14

bmoc55 says...

Hamas created this latest outbreak, Israel will finish it.
Hamas created this latest outbreak, Israel will finish it. bmoc55
  • Score: -16

7:01pm Mon 14 Jul 14

drowningnotwaving says...

Anyone who wants to have look at how Palestinians really are
have a look at Palestine media watch website
funny how the murder of three Israelis is turned around to make Israel the protagonist
Anyone who wants to have look at how Palestinians really are have a look at Palestine media watch website funny how the murder of three Israelis is turned around to make Israel the protagonist drowningnotwaving
  • Score: 5

7:18pm Mon 14 Jul 14

gobialoo says...

@bmoc55 if only Israel withdrew from all occupied lands.
@bmoc55 if only Israel withdrew from all occupied lands. gobialoo
  • Score: 20

7:23pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Shropshirelad says...

bmoc55 says...

Hamas created this latest outbreak, Israel will finish it.

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That is the kind of grotesque, unfeeling and criminal attitude that has allowed the apartheid/genocidal regime of Israel to flout international law, indulge in the most devastating crimes against humanity and to ride roughshod over the United Nations and decent international opinion. You say Hamas created this latest outbreak, I strongly differ, Israel has had a continuous reign of terror over the Palestinian people since 1948. There is no evidence at all that Hamas was responsible for the murder of the Israeli youths, there is however overwhelming evidence that the Israelis murdered the young Palestinian lad by burning him alive.
What the Israelis expect from the Palestinians, ably supported by this country and America is total silence and no retaliation for the ongoing theft of Palestinian land, the illegal building of settlements on that land and the displacement of farmers and householders without alternative accommodation or recompense of any kind in return.
The world should be utterly ashamed of the treatment meted out to the Palestinians and Israel should be treated and dealt with by the United Nations as the international criminal that she is. If I were a Palestinian on the West Bank or in Gaza and confronted by the oppression and subjugation of my people the same as what is going on now, I would also be a member of Hamas. These are the classical freedom fighters NOT the terrorists that Israel, America and the UK would have the world believe. When the stolen land is returned to Palestine, when settlements on that land is stopped and when full recompense is made to the Palestinians for all the terror and oppression heaped on them in the past then Israel will have peace. In my book, anyone that can defend Israel should be considered just as bad as that benighted country is.
At the time of writing this, the score is Israel, 176 Palestinians dead - including many, many civilians and children, Palestine, 0 Israelis dead but two injured. And this, notwithstanding that the Israelis allege that over 1000 rockets have been fired from Gaza into Israel. Someone is lying, I wonder who.
bmoc55 says... Hamas created this latest outbreak, Israel will finish it. .................... .................... .................... .................... .................... ........ That is the kind of grotesque, unfeeling and criminal attitude that has allowed the apartheid/genocidal regime of Israel to flout international law, indulge in the most devastating crimes against humanity and to ride roughshod over the United Nations and decent international opinion. You say Hamas created this latest outbreak, I strongly differ, Israel has had a continuous reign of terror over the Palestinian people since 1948. There is no evidence at all that Hamas was responsible for the murder of the Israeli youths, there is however overwhelming evidence that the Israelis murdered the young Palestinian lad by burning him alive. What the Israelis expect from the Palestinians, ably supported by this country and America is total silence and no retaliation for the ongoing theft of Palestinian land, the illegal building of settlements on that land and the displacement of farmers and householders without alternative accommodation or recompense of any kind in return. The world should be utterly ashamed of the treatment meted out to the Palestinians and Israel should be treated and dealt with by the United Nations as the international criminal that she is. If I were a Palestinian on the West Bank or in Gaza and confronted by the oppression and subjugation of my people the same as what is going on now, I would also be a member of Hamas. These are the classical freedom fighters NOT the terrorists that Israel, America and the UK would have the world believe. When the stolen land is returned to Palestine, when settlements on that land is stopped and when full recompense is made to the Palestinians for all the terror and oppression heaped on them in the past then Israel will have peace. In my book, anyone that can defend Israel should be considered just as bad as that benighted country is. At the time of writing this, the score is Israel, 176 Palestinians dead - including many, many civilians and children, Palestine, 0 Israelis dead but two injured. And this, notwithstanding that the Israelis allege that over 1000 rockets have been fired from Gaza into Israel. Someone is lying, I wonder who. Shropshirelad
  • Score: 12

8:02pm Mon 14 Jul 14

CarlWPF says...

Even the Israeli press has reported that Israeli authorities were pretty sure from the recorded mobile phone from one of the kidnapped teenagers that the boys were already dead the nigh they were taken. The sound of apparent gunfire and traces of blood found in the abandoned car led them to strongly believe the teenagers had been murdered. This information was withheld however to keep up the pretence of a search for the living. During that time hundreds of Palestinians were arrested and several killed. There was also the infamous beating of a young Palestinian with dual American - Palestinian nationality, the cousin of the Palestinian teenager who was burnt alive in a revenge attack. All part of an opportunistic exercise in rounding people up and reminding people in the Occupied Palestinian Territories who is boss. Oh, and fully aware that this was leading to a rise in tension.

I totally agree that the firing of rockets into civilian areas, regardless as to how ineffective they are is a criminal act. Having observed events for many years now though I recognise that the waves of rockets that we see from time to time are invariably in response to what is seen as provocation by Israel. Case in point, the death in November 2012 of Hamid Abu Daqa in Khan Younis. A 13 year old boy shot dead by an Israeli soldier whilst playing football. There is no evidence to determine whether this was a deliberate, targeted assassination or a tragic accident. It was however responded to as if it were the former and the rockets that were fired then, like the most recent salvos were met with the sort of firepower we are seeing unleashed on Gaza again.

Sadly this will happen again. There is a pattern and it is well known there is a policy within the Israeli government referred to as "mowing the lawn". Wait for Gaza to rebuild, provoke another violent reaction by Hamas and then let rip again.

Oh, and if any pesky peace talks get in the way, take out the Hamas negotiator before he signs on the dotted line. If anyone is really interested in the power politics at work here, I suggest they Google an article by Gershon Baskin in the New York Times entitled "Israel’s Shortsighted Assassination." Gershon Baskin was the Israeli who famously negotiated the release of Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier kidnapped by Hamas. Just prior to the November 2012 escalation, Gershon Baskin was negotiating (again) with Ahmed Al-Jabari - the man with whom he had successfully neogitated the soldier's release. As Gershon Baskin reports, "Mr. Jabari received a draft proposal for an extended cease-fire with Israel, including mechanisms that would verify intentions and ensure compliance." However, a number of serious incidents including the killing of 13 year old Hamid resulted in rockets once again being fired into Israel. What did Israel then do? They fired a missile at Ahmed Al-Jabari's car killing him outright and any hope of him signing a peace deal with Israel. It is all in the article. It is worth tracking down if you are prepared to open your eyes to what has really been going on. But I know you are thinking that this is a preposterous idea. I hear you convincing yourself that "Surely Israel would not be so cynical as to kill a man who was possibly on the verge of signing a peace deal?"

Well, if you search for another article entitled, "Another Ceasefire, Another Assassination" by Mark Perry you will learn that this is not the first time that a leading Palestinian has been the victim of a targeted assassination moments before agreeing a peace deal. On another occasion in July 2002 it was Salah Shehadeh. It is all in the article.

So why would Israel not want peace? Well I guess whilst all this is going on, it can continue to ethnically cleanse the West Bank whilst keeping a watchful eye on the 1.4 trillion cubic feet of natural gas just off Gaza's coast. Just sayin.....
Even the Israeli press has reported that Israeli authorities were pretty sure from the recorded mobile phone from one of the kidnapped teenagers that the boys were already dead the nigh they were taken. The sound of apparent gunfire and traces of blood found in the abandoned car led them to strongly believe the teenagers had been murdered. This information was withheld however to keep up the pretence of a search for the living. During that time hundreds of Palestinians were arrested and several killed. There was also the infamous beating of a young Palestinian with dual American - Palestinian nationality, the cousin of the Palestinian teenager who was burnt alive in a revenge attack. All part of an opportunistic exercise in rounding people up and reminding people in the Occupied Palestinian Territories who is boss. Oh, and fully aware that this was leading to a rise in tension. I totally agree that the firing of rockets into civilian areas, regardless as to how ineffective they are is a criminal act. Having observed events for many years now though I recognise that the waves of rockets that we see from time to time are invariably in response to what is seen as provocation by Israel. Case in point, the death in November 2012 of Hamid Abu Daqa in Khan Younis. A 13 year old boy shot dead by an Israeli soldier whilst playing football. There is no evidence to determine whether this was a deliberate, targeted assassination or a tragic accident. It was however responded to as if it were the former and the rockets that were fired then, like the most recent salvos were met with the sort of firepower we are seeing unleashed on Gaza again. Sadly this will happen again. There is a pattern and it is well known there is a policy within the Israeli government referred to as "mowing the lawn". Wait for Gaza to rebuild, provoke another violent reaction by Hamas and then let rip again. Oh, and if any pesky peace talks get in the way, take out the Hamas negotiator before he signs on the dotted line. If anyone is really interested in the power politics at work here, I suggest they Google an article by Gershon Baskin in the New York Times entitled "Israel’s Shortsighted Assassination." Gershon Baskin was the Israeli who famously negotiated the release of Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier kidnapped by Hamas. Just prior to the November 2012 escalation, Gershon Baskin was negotiating (again) with Ahmed Al-Jabari - the man with whom he had successfully neogitated the soldier's release. As Gershon Baskin reports, "Mr. Jabari received a draft proposal for an extended cease-fire with Israel, including mechanisms that would verify intentions and ensure compliance." However, a number of serious incidents including the killing of 13 year old Hamid resulted in rockets once again being fired into Israel. What did Israel then do? They fired a missile at Ahmed Al-Jabari's car killing him outright and any hope of him signing a peace deal with Israel. It is all in the article. It is worth tracking down if you are prepared to open your eyes to what has really been going on. But I know you are thinking that this is a preposterous idea. I hear you convincing yourself that "Surely Israel would not be so cynical as to kill a man who was possibly on the verge of signing a peace deal?" Well, if you search for another article entitled, "Another Ceasefire, Another Assassination" by Mark Perry you will learn that this is not the first time that a leading Palestinian has been the victim of a targeted assassination moments before agreeing a peace deal. On another occasion in July 2002 it was Salah Shehadeh. It is all in the article. So why would Israel not want peace? Well I guess whilst all this is going on, it can continue to ethnically cleanse the West Bank whilst keeping a watchful eye on the 1.4 trillion cubic feet of natural gas just off Gaza's coast. Just sayin..... CarlWPF
  • Score: 22

2:49am Tue 15 Jul 14

Sub145 says...

bmoc55 wrote:
If only Hamas would stop sending rockets into Israel
you know nothing! do your research
[quote][p][bold]bmoc55[/bold] wrote: If only Hamas would stop sending rockets into Israel[/p][/quote]you know nothing! do your research Sub145
  • Score: 11

5:11am Tue 15 Jul 14

ideas4all says...

Bm oc 55 is either a child or very stupid because apart from the one line rhetoric doesn't have anything of substance to say unlike others like Shropshire lad who I salute cos I assume ur English and understand fully what's going on .may I just add many peacekeepers and charity workers have been shot dead by the Israelis including British students trying to raise awareness of the reality ppl are faced with there
Bm oc 55 is either a child or very stupid because apart from the one line rhetoric doesn't have anything of substance to say unlike others like Shropshire lad who I salute cos I assume ur English and understand fully what's going on .may I just add many peacekeepers and charity workers have been shot dead by the Israelis including British students trying to raise awareness of the reality ppl are faced with there ideas4all
  • Score: 10

1:36pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Tobster says...

How is a conflict thousands of miles away, predominently between a couple of medieval, oppressive religions, any of Worcester's business?
How is a conflict thousands of miles away, predominently between a couple of medieval, oppressive religions, any of Worcester's business? Tobster
  • Score: 0

3:29pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Shropshirelad says...

Tobster, this Israeli inspired conflict has everything to do with every last man on the earth and, some in Worcester, judging from your own and other comments here have much to learn. A weak people who should be valued as much as any other person in the world and who have every right to defend themselves are being wilfully and deliberately oppressed, killed and treated as non humans by a people and government who rely on their military strength, propaganda and mainly American help to further their own cruel, selfish an d illegal ambitions.
If this has nothing to do with us or the West in general, perhaps you will understand it better if you realise that every conflict in the Middle East and the Muslim world in general has it's roots in and a direct result from, the Israeli oppression and treatment of the Palestinians. There is not one country surrounding Israel and even wider that has not been invaded by Israel - and even now she occupies parts of surrounding countries that do not belong to her. Israel is a powerful, aggressive, expansionist country who cares nothing for International Law, the UN or world opinion. She is a maverick country, bent on enlarging her frontiers no matter what the world says and, if the Palestinian people get in the way then as far as Israel is concerned god help them. Only by spreading the word of what is happening in Palestine will Israel get their just deserts, the contempt of a decent and humane world. You and people like you, if you have any sense of justice, fair play and decency will help in spreading the word, the Palestinians have nobody else to help them.
And yes, I am true, home bred English and the reasons that I feel so strongly on this subject is that I have travelled widely across Israel, the Palestinian "occupied" (Israelis don't like that word) territories and have seen and experienced first hand what a shockingly cruel regime the Israelis exercise of the Palestinians.
Tobster, this Israeli inspired conflict has everything to do with every last man on the earth and, some in Worcester, judging from your own and other comments here have much to learn. A weak people who should be valued as much as any other person in the world and who have every right to defend themselves are being wilfully and deliberately oppressed, killed and treated as non humans by a people and government who rely on their military strength, propaganda and mainly American help to further their own cruel, selfish an d illegal ambitions. If this has nothing to do with us or the West in general, perhaps you will understand it better if you realise that every conflict in the Middle East and the Muslim world in general has it's roots in and a direct result from, the Israeli oppression and treatment of the Palestinians. There is not one country surrounding Israel and even wider that has not been invaded by Israel - and even now she occupies parts of surrounding countries that do not belong to her. Israel is a powerful, aggressive, expansionist country who cares nothing for International Law, the UN or world opinion. She is a maverick country, bent on enlarging her frontiers no matter what the world says and, if the Palestinian people get in the way then as far as Israel is concerned god help them. Only by spreading the word of what is happening in Palestine will Israel get their just deserts, the contempt of a decent and humane world. You and people like you, if you have any sense of justice, fair play and decency will help in spreading the word, the Palestinians have nobody else to help them. And yes, I am true, home bred English and the reasons that I feel so strongly on this subject is that I have travelled widely across Israel, the Palestinian "occupied" (Israelis don't like that word) territories and have seen and experienced first hand what a shockingly cruel regime the Israelis exercise of the Palestinians. Shropshirelad
  • Score: 13

4:50pm Tue 15 Jul 14

drowningnotwaving says...

How ill informed you are Shropshire lad.
Un resolution 181 (II) 1947 provided the British mandate in Palestine to be replaced by ' Independent Arab and Jewish states and the special international regime for the City of Jerusalem'.
When the British withdrew on 15th May 1948 five Arab armies invaded the British Mandate of Palestine and wiped out the proposed Arab state, they would have wiped out the Jewish state Israel if they could. I was the surrounding Arab states that destroyed of Palestine and Egypt seized the Gaza strip and Transjordan (now Jordan) seized he west bank.
From 1948 up to the 1967 war neither Egypt or Jordan made any attempt to implement UN resolution 181 (II). Most Arab states have never recognised the right of this Arab state to exist nor have they accepted UN resolution 181 (II). (explains why Saudi, Iran etc have never pumped billions into Palestine).
During the cold war most surrounding Arab states were satellites to the USSR so Israel needed to be supported by the west and as such created a bond with the likes of America.
This country you call a cruel regime is a democracy which in 2009 allowed 9955 residents in Gaza to go to Israel for medical aid and gave a further 10544 other medical treatment and 60% of Gazas electricity is still provided by Israel.
When operation cast lead began in 2008 the Egyptian foreign minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit broadcast the following message to Hamas:
"The Israelis have been warning you that this was coming if you continue your cross-border rocket attacks. Egypt has been imploring you to stop firing rockets into Israel, but ignored our words. We have been urging you to renew the ceasefire with Israel, but you refused. You have brought this upon yourselves. You are responsible for what is happening to the people of Gaza".
The same is true today. Israel warned Palestinians living by areas in which Hamas was firing rockets to evacuate, they made their intention plain to see and informed the civilian population. Hamas's ministry of the interior spokesman Iyad al-Buzu on July 13th urged civilians to return home and in effect to be human shields.
Have a look at Palestine propaganda on 'Palestine media watch' web site
How ill informed you are Shropshire lad. Un resolution 181 (II) 1947 provided the British mandate in Palestine to be replaced by ' Independent Arab and Jewish states and the special international regime for the City of Jerusalem'. When the British withdrew on 15th May 1948 five Arab armies invaded the British Mandate of Palestine and wiped out the proposed Arab state, they would have wiped out the Jewish state Israel if they could. I was the surrounding Arab states that destroyed of Palestine and Egypt seized the Gaza strip and Transjordan (now Jordan) seized he west bank. From 1948 up to the 1967 war neither Egypt or Jordan made any attempt to implement UN resolution 181 (II). Most Arab states have never recognised the right of this Arab state to exist nor have they accepted UN resolution 181 (II). (explains why Saudi, Iran etc have never pumped billions into Palestine). During the cold war most surrounding Arab states were satellites to the USSR so Israel needed to be supported by the west and as such created a bond with the likes of America. This country you call a cruel regime is a democracy which in 2009 allowed 9955 residents in Gaza to go to Israel for medical aid and gave a further 10544 other medical treatment and 60% of Gazas electricity is still provided by Israel. When operation cast lead began in 2008 the Egyptian foreign minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit broadcast the following message to Hamas: "The Israelis have been warning you that this was coming if you continue your cross-border rocket attacks. Egypt has been imploring you to stop firing rockets into Israel, but ignored our words. We have been urging you to renew the ceasefire with Israel, but you refused. You have brought this upon yourselves. You are responsible for what is happening to the people of Gaza". The same is true today. Israel warned Palestinians living by areas in which Hamas was firing rockets to evacuate, they made their intention plain to see and informed the civilian population. Hamas's ministry of the interior spokesman Iyad al-Buzu on July 13th urged civilians to return home and in effect to be human shields. Have a look at Palestine propaganda on 'Palestine media watch' web site drowningnotwaving
  • Score: 1

4:55pm Tue 15 Jul 14

mwalid says...

Palestine has no army, no navy...this isn't war. THIS IS GENOCIDE!
Palestine has no army, no navy...this isn't war. THIS IS GENOCIDE! mwalid
  • Score: 12

6:46pm Tue 15 Jul 14

robbo1664 says...

The police need to stop this march, the BNP and EDL were not allowed to march in worcester so why should they...one rule for them one rule for us.......
The police need to stop this march, the BNP and EDL were not allowed to march in worcester so why should they...one rule for them one rule for us....... robbo1664
  • Score: -20

7:33pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Shropshirelad says...

drowningnotwaving, you are talking utter rubbish from start to finish. I frankly would feel ashamed at penning such blatant propaganda. You are obviously another one who thinks that the Israelis should be allowed to do as they wish (they are now threatening to build settlements on East Jerusalem, Palestinian land) and the Palestinians should just meekly accept their lot without protest.
You have obviously been reading books written by an Israeli apologist. As for the Israeli "democracy" you talk about, you have obviously taken that term from American and British propaganda. It is no more a democracy than the Apartheid regime in South Africa under Vervoert and Botha, substitute the black people of the old South Africa for the Palestinian people and those Arab Israelis (yes they do exist) and you have a replica of the most vile regime on earth. There is no democracy at all for anyone of another faith other than that of the Israelis.
Before you start quoting UN Resolutions appertaining to the Palestinians, let us have some mention of all of those that have been passed against Israel which she so blithely disregards. I suggest also, you do some research into all the "media watch" sites - indeed, your comment is couched in such terms that I strongly suspect that you are a paid signed up member of the Israeli sponsored/owned one. You are an Israeli apologist and should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself.
drowningnotwaving, you are talking utter rubbish from start to finish. I frankly would feel ashamed at penning such blatant propaganda. You are obviously another one who thinks that the Israelis should be allowed to do as they wish (they are now threatening to build settlements on East Jerusalem, Palestinian land) and the Palestinians should just meekly accept their lot without protest. You have obviously been reading books written by an Israeli apologist. As for the Israeli "democracy" you talk about, you have obviously taken that term from American and British propaganda. It is no more a democracy than the Apartheid regime in South Africa under Vervoert and Botha, substitute the black people of the old South Africa for the Palestinian people and those Arab Israelis (yes they do exist) and you have a replica of the most vile regime on earth. There is no democracy at all for anyone of another faith other than that of the Israelis. Before you start quoting UN Resolutions appertaining to the Palestinians, let us have some mention of all of those that have been passed against Israel which she so blithely disregards. I suggest also, you do some research into all the "media watch" sites - indeed, your comment is couched in such terms that I strongly suspect that you are a paid signed up member of the Israeli sponsored/owned one. You are an Israeli apologist and should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself. Shropshirelad
  • Score: 3

8:22pm Tue 15 Jul 14

bmoc55 says...

So how do the pro Hamas apologists now account for Hamas rejecting the Egyptian ceasefire proposal.?
Hamas had the opportunity to stop the Israeli retaliation and enter negotiations, but no they prefer to continue sending rockets into Israel with the full knowledge that Israel has the right to respond.
It is Hamas who are responsible for Palestinians dying.
Keep this in mind on the Saturday "Protest".
So how do the pro Hamas apologists now account for Hamas rejecting the Egyptian ceasefire proposal.? Hamas had the opportunity to stop the Israeli retaliation and enter negotiations, but no they prefer to continue sending rockets into Israel with the full knowledge that Israel has the right to respond. It is Hamas who are responsible for Palestinians dying. Keep this in mind on the Saturday "Protest". bmoc55
  • Score: -6

9:01pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Tobster says...

In light of a reply and further discussion, I would like to rephrase my earlier question.

How is a conflict thousands of miles away, predominently between a couple of medieval, oppressive religions; and regardless of whatever incessantly-shared nonsense on Facebook one may have read to bias them for one side or the other (because let's face facts, you haven't actually bloody well been there); any of Worcester's business?
In light of a reply and further discussion, I would like to rephrase my earlier question. How is a conflict thousands of miles away, predominently between a couple of medieval, oppressive religions; and regardless of whatever incessantly-shared nonsense on Facebook one may have read to bias them for one side or the other (because let's face facts, you haven't actually bloody well been there); any of Worcester's business? Tobster
  • Score: 1

10:28pm Tue 15 Jul 14

The Villan says...

Tobster wrote:
In light of a reply and further discussion, I would like to rephrase my earlier question.

How is a conflict thousands of miles away, predominently between a couple of medieval, oppressive religions; and regardless of whatever incessantly-shared nonsense on Facebook one may have read to bias them for one side or the other (because let's face facts, you haven't actually bloody well been there); any of Worcester's business?
Have to agree with this comment.

This issue is not something new, it has been happening historically since Roman times or before and will continue to happen whether this march goes ahead or not.

The people on the ground in the disputed territories cannot agree on a way ahead, they can't even agree to a ceasefire from both sides. So, as noble as this awareness march may be, at the end of the day those that really matter are thousands of miles away.
[quote][p][bold]Tobster[/bold] wrote: In light of a reply and further discussion, I would like to rephrase my earlier question. How is a conflict thousands of miles away, predominently between a couple of medieval, oppressive religions; and regardless of whatever incessantly-shared nonsense on Facebook one may have read to bias them for one side or the other (because let's face facts, you haven't actually bloody well been there); any of Worcester's business?[/p][/quote]Have to agree with this comment. This issue is not something new, it has been happening historically since Roman times or before and will continue to happen whether this march goes ahead or not. The people on the ground in the disputed territories cannot agree on a way ahead, they can't even agree to a ceasefire from both sides. So, as noble as this awareness march may be, at the end of the day those that really matter are thousands of miles away. The Villan
  • Score: 9

8:06am Wed 16 Jul 14

DanMacc says...

You guys see this weeks episode of Keeping Up With The Kardashians? So funny when Scott had the work bus and the dog pooped everywhere.
You guys see this weeks episode of Keeping Up With The Kardashians? So funny when Scott had the work bus and the dog pooped everywhere. DanMacc
  • Score: 4

9:22am Wed 16 Jul 14

drowningnotwaving says...

Shropshire lad, your rant is full of supposition lacking in facts and evidence. IT is an anti sematic spout worthy of that used by the Germans before the holocaust (unless I suspect you believe that was a Jewish fabrication).
It may be a good idea to broaden your reading and media choice to get a wider perspective . Hamas is a terrorist organisation whose constitution includes the total eradication of Israel. Even the Egyptions have again sided with Israel.
Shropshire lad, your rant is full of supposition lacking in facts and evidence. IT is an anti sematic spout worthy of that used by the Germans before the holocaust (unless I suspect you believe that was a Jewish fabrication). It may be a good idea to broaden your reading and media choice to get a wider perspective . Hamas is a terrorist organisation whose constitution includes the total eradication of Israel. Even the Egyptions have again sided with Israel. drowningnotwaving
  • Score: -9

9:30am Wed 16 Jul 14

mwalid says...

drowningnotwaving wrote:
Shropshire lad, your rant is full of supposition lacking in facts and evidence. IT is an anti sematic spout worthy of that used by the Germans before the holocaust (unless I suspect you believe that was a Jewish fabrication).
It may be a good idea to broaden your reading and media choice to get a wider perspective . Hamas is a terrorist organisation whose constitution includes the total eradication of Israel. Even the Egyptions have again sided with Israel.
Hamas is not a terror organisation? It was created by a poor 80 year old who just wanted to defend his country. Israeli is a terror organisation killed over 200 people 24 being children and roughly 48 women and over 1500 injured just within 7 days! Even the jews are protesting against Israel. Thousands of jews protested in New York couple of days ago. Do your history. It's a illegal occupation and a massacre. ISRAEL WASN'T EVEN ON THE MAP IN 1945!!!!
[quote][p][bold]drowningnotwaving[/bold] wrote: Shropshire lad, your rant is full of supposition lacking in facts and evidence. IT is an anti sematic spout worthy of that used by the Germans before the holocaust (unless I suspect you believe that was a Jewish fabrication). It may be a good idea to broaden your reading and media choice to get a wider perspective . Hamas is a terrorist organisation whose constitution includes the total eradication of Israel. Even the Egyptions have again sided with Israel.[/p][/quote]Hamas is not a terror organisation? It was created by a poor 80 year old who just wanted to defend his country. Israeli is a terror organisation killed over 200 people 24 being children and roughly 48 women and over 1500 injured just within 7 days! Even the jews are protesting against Israel. Thousands of jews protested in New York couple of days ago. Do your history. It's a illegal occupation and a massacre. ISRAEL WASN'T EVEN ON THE MAP IN 1945!!!! mwalid
  • Score: 9

11:55am Wed 16 Jul 14

drowningnotwaving says...

HAMAS is an acronym of 'Harakat all-Muqawamat all-Islamiyyah' meaning islamic resistance movement. Formed in 1987 it has its origins in the Muslim brotherhood .
Formed by Ahmed Haddon it is a terrorist organisation as proscribed by the EU, Japan, Canada, and the USA initially for its suicide attacks.
With his involvement in the Muslim brotherhood in 1984 he was jailed for stockpiling weapons (a terrorist is a terrorist whatever his age)
As I said before Israel and an Arab state (Palestine) were formed by the UN in 1947 . You can't cherry pick which resolutions you want to abide by to fit your argument.
HAMAS is an acronym of 'Harakat all-Muqawamat all-Islamiyyah' meaning islamic resistance movement. Formed in 1987 it has its origins in the Muslim brotherhood . Formed by Ahmed Haddon it is a terrorist organisation as proscribed by the EU, Japan, Canada, and the USA initially for its suicide attacks. With his involvement in the Muslim brotherhood in 1984 he was jailed for stockpiling weapons (a terrorist is a terrorist whatever his age) As I said before Israel and an Arab state (Palestine) were formed by the UN in 1947 . You can't cherry pick which resolutions you want to abide by to fit your argument. drowningnotwaving
  • Score: -9

11:57am Wed 16 Jul 14

drowningnotwaving says...

Sorry miss spelt due to predictive text. Should read formed by Ahmed yassin
Sorry miss spelt due to predictive text. Should read formed by Ahmed yassin drowningnotwaving
  • Score: -9

12:58pm Wed 16 Jul 14

mwalid says...

hamas has only 2 options? Resist or surrender.

Would you surrender to kicking you out your own home?

OR WOULD YOU RESIST?
hamas has only 2 options? Resist or surrender. Would you surrender to kicking you out your own home? OR WOULD YOU RESIST? mwalid
  • Score: 12

1:55pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Ted Elgar says...

I think making a comparison between the EDL who incite racial hatred and this protest is a false equivalence, although I'm not sure how a protest in Worcester High Street is likely to have a major impact on the Middle East Peace Process.
Perhaps those people wandering out of TK Maxx might be forced to consider world events for 10 seconds, so that would be a good thing?
I personally find the tit for tat bickering that surrounds this topic to be ridiculous. The Palestinians are getting battered at the moment, and whatever side of the argument you are on, you should be able to empathise with that.
Equally, the protesters should keep in mind that it's possible to acknowledge the Israelis are doing a bad thing, but not be anti-Semitic. If they can't manage that, then maybe they are more similar to the EDL than I thought.
I think making a comparison between the EDL who incite racial hatred and this protest is a false equivalence, although I'm not sure how a protest in Worcester High Street is likely to have a major impact on the Middle East Peace Process. Perhaps those people wandering out of TK Maxx might be forced to consider world events for 10 seconds, so that would be a good thing? I personally find the tit for tat bickering that surrounds this topic to be ridiculous. The Palestinians are getting battered at the moment, and whatever side of the argument you are on, you should be able to empathise with that. Equally, the protesters should keep in mind that it's possible to acknowledge the Israelis are doing a bad thing, but not be anti-Semitic. If they can't manage that, then maybe they are more similar to the EDL than I thought. Ted Elgar
  • Score: 11

4:34pm Wed 16 Jul 14

drowningnotwaving says...

most protesters couldn't find Palestine on a map and have never protested about the genocide of Christians in Syria, Iraq and Egypt so I suspect this is basic anti Semitism
most protesters couldn't find Palestine on a map and have never protested about the genocide of Christians in Syria, Iraq and Egypt so I suspect this is basic anti Semitism drowningnotwaving
  • Score: -14

6:28pm Wed 16 Jul 14

marthajones says...

anyone who denies Israel is a pariah & Illegal Zionist state who has robbed the Palestinian people of their land and has (is) treated (ing) them worse than the concentration camps that the despicable dictator Hitler treated the Jewish people, is living in cloud cuckoo land ans has truly been duped by the BBC/FOX/SKY/CNN networks.

There is a Distinct difference between Zionism & the Jewish Religion. The Jewish people live and lived peacefully with their Moslem counter parts for centuries until a fundamentalist, fanatical inherently racist Zionsit element started infiltrating the Holy Land and the hearts and minds of the Israeli population.
Many Jewish Orders have condemned the Israeli terrorist activity.

One thing that makes me sick is that every time that Israeli policy is attacked or criticized , it somehow ends up as being is anti-semitic and the holocaust is brought up to silence the critics. This is a cheap tactic that will no longer wash!

Israel is a so-called democracy?
An adherent of democracy, should point out that the principle of democracy implies equality of all nationalities, whether the individual citizen likes individuals of other nationalities or the doings of certain groups among them or not. The principle of democracy takes it for granted that any nationality or “race” is entitled to have its own bankers, clergy, manufacturers, workers, reactionaries, Communists. The principle of democracy forbids blaming a whole nationality for the doings of some of its members or to blame one single nationality for the evils of the whole world. The principle of democracy demands that all the oppressed of all nationalities should unite against their oppressors.

If you look at the map of Palestine pre 1948 & now , youre' right no one will find it on a map! As it has been gobbled up, butchered quartered, divided and ripped apart by Israel. All that remains are a few ghetto's , enclaves, where the water supply/ Farm land, Electricity supply can be turned of at will by the IDF's . What sort of existence is that?

I will not be surprised that if the Israeli multi million pound propaganda machine, in some way start blaming the Palestinians for the Holocaust, ohh!!. wait they are already are ...... 'the mufti and fuhrer' a load of tosh full of anecdotal evidence thrown out by academics world wide.

If you have any shred of decency and cry out for justice when you don't get your rights in this Country spare a thought for those who' live in the biggest open air prison in the world. I pray that none of us have to suffer from a Hamass Rocket or Israeli Terror,

but justice will prevail, whether it comes tomorrow or in 20 years time, the truth will be told , but how many lives will be lost in getting there?
anyone who denies Israel is a pariah & Illegal Zionist state who has robbed the Palestinian people of their land and has (is) treated (ing) them worse than the concentration camps that the despicable dictator Hitler treated the Jewish people, is living in cloud cuckoo land ans has truly been duped by the BBC/FOX/SKY/CNN networks. There is a Distinct difference between Zionism & the Jewish Religion. The Jewish people live and lived peacefully with their Moslem counter parts for centuries until a fundamentalist, fanatical inherently racist Zionsit element started infiltrating the Holy Land and the hearts and minds of the Israeli population. Many Jewish Orders have condemned the Israeli terrorist activity. One thing that makes me sick is that every time that Israeli policy is attacked or criticized , it somehow ends up as being is anti-semitic and the holocaust is brought up to silence the critics. This is a cheap tactic that will no longer wash! Israel is a so-called democracy? An adherent of democracy, should point out that the principle of democracy implies equality of all nationalities, whether the individual citizen likes individuals of other nationalities or the doings of certain groups among them or not. The principle of democracy takes it for granted that any nationality or “race” is entitled to have its own bankers, clergy, manufacturers, workers, reactionaries, Communists. The principle of democracy forbids blaming a whole nationality for the doings of some of its members or to blame one single nationality for the evils of the whole world. The principle of democracy demands that all the oppressed of all nationalities should unite against their oppressors. If you look at the map of Palestine pre 1948 & now , youre' right no one will find it on a map! As it has been gobbled up, butchered quartered, divided and ripped apart by Israel. All that remains are a few ghetto's , enclaves, where the water supply/ Farm land, Electricity supply can be turned of at will by the IDF's . What sort of existence is that? I will not be surprised that if the Israeli multi million pound propaganda machine, in some way start blaming the Palestinians for the Holocaust, ohh!!. wait they are already are ...... 'the mufti and fuhrer' a load of tosh full of anecdotal evidence thrown out by academics world wide. If you have any shred of decency and cry out for justice when you don't get your rights in this Country spare a thought for those who' live in the biggest open air prison in the world. I pray that none of us have to suffer from a Hamass Rocket or Israeli Terror, but justice will prevail, whether it comes tomorrow or in 20 years time, the truth will be told , but how many lives will be lost in getting there? marthajones
  • Score: 17

6:51pm Wed 16 Jul 14

mwalid says...

bmoc55 wrote:
If only Hamas would stop sending rockets into Israel
I suggest you do your research. Israel has sent more rockets into Palestine than Hamas has into Israel. Since past 7 days over 200 innocent civilians have been killed including women and children. Only one Israeli has died unfortunately. Even Jewish people all over the world are protesting against the Zionist state & illegal occupation.
[quote][p][bold]bmoc55[/bold] wrote: If only Hamas would stop sending rockets into Israel[/p][/quote]I suggest you do your research. Israel has sent more rockets into Palestine than Hamas has into Israel. Since past 7 days over 200 innocent civilians have been killed including women and children. Only one Israeli has died unfortunately. Even Jewish people all over the world are protesting against the Zionist state & illegal occupation. mwalid
  • Score: 17

7:33pm Wed 16 Jul 14

pinkfluff says...

Tobster wrote:
In light of a reply and further discussion, I would like to rephrase my earlier question.

How is a conflict thousands of miles away, predominently between a couple of medieval, oppressive religions; and regardless of whatever incessantly-shared nonsense on Facebook one may have read to bias them for one side or the other (because let's face facts, you haven't actually bloody well been there); any of Worcester's business?
What happens on this planet is everyone's business, imo they are my brothers and sisters.

I am an optimist and I hope this conflict will end, I know it hasn't in the past but maybe now is the time.
[quote][p][bold]Tobster[/bold] wrote: In light of a reply and further discussion, I would like to rephrase my earlier question. How is a conflict thousands of miles away, predominently between a couple of medieval, oppressive religions; and regardless of whatever incessantly-shared nonsense on Facebook one may have read to bias them for one side or the other (because let's face facts, you haven't actually bloody well been there); any of Worcester's business?[/p][/quote]What happens on this planet is everyone's business, imo they are my brothers and sisters. I am an optimist and I hope this conflict will end, I know it hasn't in the past but maybe now is the time. pinkfluff
  • Score: 12

7:35pm Wed 16 Jul 14

DesiJatt123 says...

For all those people who r refusing to blame Israel for this unrest and are solely commited on blaming hamas even though in the last week or so over 200 palestinian people have been killed compared to 1 israeli man who was killed please tell me if israel is not to blame then why is it that in america,london and all over the world millions of jewish people are protesting against their own goverment and please dont listen to the bbc we all know they are biased and dont care about palestinians and would rather broadcast the deaths of a couple of israelis then the hundreds of palestinians killed,
For all those people who r refusing to blame Israel for this unrest and are solely commited on blaming hamas even though in the last week or so over 200 palestinian people have been killed compared to 1 israeli man who was killed please tell me if israel is not to blame then why is it that in america,london and all over the world millions of jewish people are protesting against their own goverment and please dont listen to the bbc we all know they are biased and dont care about palestinians and would rather broadcast the deaths of a couple of israelis then the hundreds of palestinians killed, DesiJatt123
  • Score: 13

8:12pm Wed 16 Jul 14

CarlWPF says...

drowningnotwaving wrote:
most protesters couldn't find Palestine on a map and have never protested about the genocide of Christians in Syria, Iraq and Egypt so I suspect this is basic anti Semitism
Whilst it is true that it is getting increasingly hard to find Palestine on a map as Israel continues its illegal land grabs and ethnic cleansing, I think you would find that those taking part on Friday do have a more than adequate grasp of the geography and the ever shrinking .

In terms of who is responsible for the failed (so called) peace process - then I suggest you search the Worcester News website with the phrase "I feel inclined to weep over Jerusalem" and you will see our Bishop's analysis and predictions for the future last year when the hawks took over the Knesset. But the articles I already referred to above (and which no one has yet responded to) already set out that Israel does not want peace. The status quo works well for Israel. Whilst the conflict continues, Palestine shrinks even further.
[quote][p][bold]drowningnotwaving[/bold] wrote: most protesters couldn't find Palestine on a map and have never protested about the genocide of Christians in Syria, Iraq and Egypt so I suspect this is basic anti Semitism[/p][/quote]Whilst it is true that it is getting increasingly hard to find Palestine on a map as Israel continues its illegal land grabs and ethnic cleansing, I think you would find that those taking part on Friday do have a more than adequate grasp of the geography and the ever shrinking . In terms of who is responsible for the failed (so called) peace process - then I suggest you search the Worcester News website with the phrase "I feel inclined to weep over Jerusalem" and you will see our Bishop's analysis and predictions for the future last year when the hawks took over the Knesset. But the articles I already referred to above (and which no one has yet responded to) already set out that Israel does not want peace. The status quo works well for Israel. Whilst the conflict continues, Palestine shrinks even further. CarlWPF
  • Score: 19

7:45pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Shropshirelad says...

My despair and despondency at yet another Israeli maelstrom of brutality, murder and outright war directed at the Palestinians is now
tempered and reduced a little by reading some of the comments on this sight. At one time, those who understood the Palestinian position were few and far between and sympathetic comments in the WN for their position were usually outweighed by those who supported the Israelis. Now, apart from "drowningnotwaving" and a couple of others who clearly have no sense of justice, humanity and fair play and are quite ignorant of the situation in the ME in general and Israel in particular appear to be in the minority. Those Israeli apologists who keep their faith are under instructions to deluge the media with complaints, protests and comments putting over a pro and sympathetic Israeli line whenever the media (in any form) puts out anything sympathetic to the Palestinian cause or puts Israel in a bad or questionable light. We should treat their comments with the contempt that they deserve. They have infiltrated almost every single UK institution of any note with any semblance of power or opinion - even UKIP now has a "friends of Israel Association" as do the Conservatives, Labour and the Lib Dems. 80% of the Tories at Westminster are members of the Conservative Friends of Israel Association. One can understand this when newly elected MPs are paid to visit Israel and be indulged and feted with their propaganda. We therefore no need wonder why our government and individual Ministers refuse to condemn Israel for her war crimes and crimes against humanity. If your humanity and self pride won't allow you to stand by and see what is happening in Palestine without doing something about it, ask every would be MP canvassing before the next General Election if he or she is a member of his/ her "Friends of Israel Association", if they answer "yes", you will know that they have been bought by the Israelis and the last place they should be is in our own Parliament.
My despair and despondency at yet another Israeli maelstrom of brutality, murder and outright war directed at the Palestinians is now tempered and reduced a little by reading some of the comments on this sight. At one time, those who understood the Palestinian position were few and far between and sympathetic comments in the WN for their position were usually outweighed by those who supported the Israelis. Now, apart from "drowningnotwaving" and a couple of others who clearly have no sense of justice, humanity and fair play and are quite ignorant of the situation in the ME in general and Israel in particular appear to be in the minority. Those Israeli apologists who keep their faith are under instructions to deluge the media with complaints, protests and comments putting over a pro and sympathetic Israeli line whenever the media (in any form) puts out anything sympathetic to the Palestinian cause or puts Israel in a bad or questionable light. We should treat their comments with the contempt that they deserve. They have infiltrated almost every single UK institution of any note with any semblance of power or opinion - even UKIP now has a "friends of Israel Association" as do the Conservatives, Labour and the Lib Dems. 80% of the Tories at Westminster are members of the Conservative Friends of Israel Association. One can understand this when newly elected MPs are paid to visit Israel and be indulged and feted with their propaganda. We therefore no need wonder why our government and individual Ministers refuse to condemn Israel for her war crimes and crimes against humanity. If your humanity and self pride won't allow you to stand by and see what is happening in Palestine without doing something about it, ask every would be MP canvassing before the next General Election if he or she is a member of his/ her "Friends of Israel Association", if they answer "yes", you will know that they have been bought by the Israelis and the last place they should be is in our own Parliament. Shropshirelad
  • Score: 9

12:04am Fri 18 Jul 14

CarlWPF says...

Whilst it is true that there is a significant proportion of Conservative MPs who subscribe to the Conservative Friends of Israel, it is good to see that there are some who understand the ongoing in justice. Peter Bottomley is a co-sponsor of a recent Early Day Motions related to Palestine (EDM, 204 - DESTRUCTION OF PALESTINIAN HOMES IN THE WEST BANK BY ISRAEL) and a signatory of EDM 250 - ISRAELI MILITARY STRIKES ON THE GAZA STRIP). Both Early Day Motions can be found easily by entering them into a search engine.

Nicholas Soames has the air of an establishment Tory but has regularly been critical of Israeli policies with regard to the Palestinians and again, a quick search using his name and other key words such as Gaza, West Bank or Palestine will reveal more.

Our own MP, Robin Walker would be able to honestly answer the question about membership of the Conservative Friends of Israel with a categorical "no". He has however visited the region himself and was kind enough to report his observations to a meeting of the Worcester Palestine Friendship group. He also gave up some time to visit a display of artwork by children in Gaza in the wake of the notorious Cast Lead offensive against Gaza in 2008/2009.

Let us be thankful for the 20% of Conservative MPs who are not linked to Israel's official lobbying machine. But you are right, Shropshire Lad that the Israeli Hasbarists are hard at work, but their efforts are constantly undermined by the increasing numbers of people starting to take a closer look at what has been going on for all these years. They are reading more, and of course, social media opens up a whole world of insight. My parents brought me up to believe the myth of a land without people for a people without land. My father is now fiercely critical of Israel. He is not the only person to have his opinion changed largely not by what the Palestine Solidarity movement has done, but by what Israel has done and is doing. It does seem to have inadvertently become its own worst enemy.

Those of us who have met Palestinians appreciate what they are like. In short, they are ordinary people just like us but living under a brutal occupation and or siege. I sincerely doubt that those who seek out news stories like this one to spread their propaganda and lies have ever met a Palestinian in their lives. They have merely believed the Hasbara lies that they have been fed and join in with the dehumanisation of Palestinians.

I have been on this site before and challenged those who take issue with those of us involved in the quest for justice for Palestinians to come along to a WPF open meeting and listen to whichever speaker we have booked and to feel free to ask questions. I have assured them that we do not bite and would be more than happy to hear their concerns. But to date, as far as I am aware none has ever come. So I repeat that invitation. For those critical of this vigil or who wonder why so many people around the globe take issue with things done by the Israeli government, why not come along and speak to us? I acknowledge that there may not be agreement after one conversation, but surely dialogue is no bad thing?
Whilst it is true that there is a significant proportion of Conservative MPs who subscribe to the Conservative Friends of Israel, it is good to see that there are some who understand the ongoing in justice. Peter Bottomley is a co-sponsor of a recent Early Day Motions related to Palestine (EDM, 204 - DESTRUCTION OF PALESTINIAN HOMES IN THE WEST BANK BY ISRAEL) and a signatory of EDM 250 - ISRAELI MILITARY STRIKES ON THE GAZA STRIP). Both Early Day Motions can be found easily by entering them into a search engine. Nicholas Soames has the air of an establishment Tory but has regularly been critical of Israeli policies with regard to the Palestinians and again, a quick search using his name and other key words such as Gaza, West Bank or Palestine will reveal more. Our own MP, Robin Walker would be able to honestly answer the question about membership of the Conservative Friends of Israel with a categorical "no". He has however visited the region himself and was kind enough to report his observations to a meeting of the Worcester Palestine Friendship group. He also gave up some time to visit a display of artwork by children in Gaza in the wake of the notorious Cast Lead offensive against Gaza in 2008/2009. Let us be thankful for the 20% of Conservative MPs who are not linked to Israel's official lobbying machine. But you are right, Shropshire Lad that the Israeli Hasbarists are hard at work, but their efforts are constantly undermined by the increasing numbers of people starting to take a closer look at what has been going on for all these years. They are reading more, and of course, social media opens up a whole world of insight. My parents brought me up to believe the myth of a land without people for a people without land. My father is now fiercely critical of Israel. He is not the only person to have his opinion changed largely not by what the Palestine Solidarity movement has done, but by what Israel has done and is doing. It does seem to have inadvertently become its own worst enemy. Those of us who have met Palestinians appreciate what they are like. In short, they are ordinary people just like us but living under a brutal occupation and or siege. I sincerely doubt that those who seek out news stories like this one to spread their propaganda and lies have ever met a Palestinian in their lives. They have merely believed the Hasbara lies that they have been fed and join in with the dehumanisation of Palestinians. I have been on this site before and challenged those who take issue with those of us involved in the quest for justice for Palestinians to come along to a WPF open meeting and listen to whichever speaker we have booked and to feel free to ask questions. I have assured them that we do not bite and would be more than happy to hear their concerns. But to date, as far as I am aware none has ever come. So I repeat that invitation. For those critical of this vigil or who wonder why so many people around the globe take issue with things done by the Israeli government, why not come along and speak to us? I acknowledge that there may not be agreement after one conversation, but surely dialogue is no bad thing? CarlWPF
  • Score: 16

9:32am Fri 18 Jul 14

Keith B says...

The God of Love and Peace strikes again. Religious wars on the grounds that my way of praying to an imagined character is better than your way of praying to an imagined character is no better than the Greeks and Romans worshipping statues or druids praying to the sunrise on mid-summers day.

Muslims want to starve themselves during the day in order to please their God at the moment but at least that's not killing people. Mind you we are building up to a pretty big Muslims vs The Rest world conflict if we are not careful.

My message (and I'm not an old hippy .... just old) is CHILL OUT. Let's live together and not worry too much about what God thinks .... which id probably what God wants, whoever or whatever your God is.
The God of Love and Peace strikes again. Religious wars on the grounds that my way of praying to an imagined character is better than your way of praying to an imagined character is no better than the Greeks and Romans worshipping statues or druids praying to the sunrise on mid-summers day. Muslims want to starve themselves during the day in order to please their God at the moment but at least that's not killing people. Mind you we are building up to a pretty big Muslims vs The Rest world conflict if we are not careful. My message (and I'm not an old hippy .... just old) is CHILL OUT. Let's live together and not worry too much about what God thinks .... which id probably what God wants, whoever or whatever your God is. Keith B
  • Score: 0

11:22am Fri 18 Jul 14

Tobster says...

Keith B wrote:
The God of Love and Peace strikes again. Religious wars on the grounds that my way of praying to an imagined character is better than your way of praying to an imagined character is no better than the Greeks and Romans worshipping statues or druids praying to the sunrise on mid-summers day.

Muslims want to starve themselves during the day in order to please their God at the moment but at least that's not killing people. Mind you we are building up to a pretty big Muslims vs The Rest world conflict if we are not careful.

My message (and I'm not an old hippy .... just old) is CHILL OUT. Let's live together and not worry too much about what God thinks .... which id probably what God wants, whoever or whatever your God is.
Absolutely.

Yes, people killing eachother is horrendous, but when it's thousands of miles away and in the name of an ultimately fictional character, why should Worcester's local authorities give a winkle's dick?
[quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: The God of Love and Peace strikes again. Religious wars on the grounds that my way of praying to an imagined character is better than your way of praying to an imagined character is no better than the Greeks and Romans worshipping statues or druids praying to the sunrise on mid-summers day. Muslims want to starve themselves during the day in order to please their God at the moment but at least that's not killing people. Mind you we are building up to a pretty big Muslims vs The Rest world conflict if we are not careful. My message (and I'm not an old hippy .... just old) is CHILL OUT. Let's live together and not worry too much about what God thinks .... which id probably what God wants, whoever or whatever your God is.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Yes, people killing eachother is horrendous, but when it's thousands of miles away and in the name of an ultimately fictional character, why should Worcester's local authorities give a winkle's dick? Tobster
  • Score: -8

1:21pm Fri 18 Jul 14

mwalid says...

Tobster wrote:
Keith B wrote:
The God of Love and Peace strikes again. Religious wars on the grounds that my way of praying to an imagined character is better than your way of praying to an imagined character is no better than the Greeks and Romans worshipping statues or druids praying to the sunrise on mid-summers day.

Muslims want to starve themselves during the day in order to please their God at the moment but at least that's not killing people. Mind you we are building up to a pretty big Muslims vs The Rest world conflict if we are not careful.

My message (and I'm not an old hippy .... just old) is CHILL OUT. Let's live together and not worry too much about what God thinks .... which id probably what God wants, whoever or whatever your God is.
Absolutely.

Yes, people killing eachother is horrendous, but when it's thousands of miles away and in the name of an ultimately fictional character, why should Worcester's local authorities give a winkle's dick?
Palestinians are getting slaughtered by Air Strikes and you're sitting behind your keyboard writing those comments. Shame on you. You know you've lost faith in humanity when there's in need for a protest!
[quote][p][bold]Tobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: The God of Love and Peace strikes again. Religious wars on the grounds that my way of praying to an imagined character is better than your way of praying to an imagined character is no better than the Greeks and Romans worshipping statues or druids praying to the sunrise on mid-summers day. Muslims want to starve themselves during the day in order to please their God at the moment but at least that's not killing people. Mind you we are building up to a pretty big Muslims vs The Rest world conflict if we are not careful. My message (and I'm not an old hippy .... just old) is CHILL OUT. Let's live together and not worry too much about what God thinks .... which id probably what God wants, whoever or whatever your God is.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Yes, people killing eachother is horrendous, but when it's thousands of miles away and in the name of an ultimately fictional character, why should Worcester's local authorities give a winkle's dick?[/p][/quote]Palestinians are getting slaughtered by Air Strikes and you're sitting behind your keyboard writing those comments. Shame on you. You know you've lost faith in humanity when there's in need for a protest! mwalid
  • Score: 6

1:45pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Tobster says...

mwalid wrote:
Tobster wrote:
Keith B wrote:
The God of Love and Peace strikes again. Religious wars on the grounds that my way of praying to an imagined character is better than your way of praying to an imagined character is no better than the Greeks and Romans worshipping statues or druids praying to the sunrise on mid-summers day.

Muslims want to starve themselves during the day in order to please their God at the moment but at least that's not killing people. Mind you we are building up to a pretty big Muslims vs The Rest world conflict if we are not careful.

My message (and I'm not an old hippy .... just old) is CHILL OUT. Let's live together and not worry too much about what God thinks .... which id probably what God wants, whoever or whatever your God is.
Absolutely.

Yes, people killing eachother is horrendous, but when it's thousands of miles away and in the name of an ultimately fictional character, why should Worcester's local authorities give a winkle's dick?
Palestinians are getting slaughtered by Air Strikes and you're sitting behind your keyboard writing those comments. Shame on you. You know you've lost faith in humanity when there's in need for a protest!
But Isrealis are also claiming they're being rocketed.

The Internet will give you all the information required to apparently confirm either side's story.

I simply cannot make any ethical judgement on the basis of highly limited, conflicting and dubious information presented by either side; or comments on a news article.

I fail to see how subjecting your local authorities to protest over something they have neither control, nor duty of care over; on the basis of probably a load of nonsense shared on Facebook; is in anyway productive to anything.
[quote][p][bold]mwalid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: The God of Love and Peace strikes again. Religious wars on the grounds that my way of praying to an imagined character is better than your way of praying to an imagined character is no better than the Greeks and Romans worshipping statues or druids praying to the sunrise on mid-summers day. Muslims want to starve themselves during the day in order to please their God at the moment but at least that's not killing people. Mind you we are building up to a pretty big Muslims vs The Rest world conflict if we are not careful. My message (and I'm not an old hippy .... just old) is CHILL OUT. Let's live together and not worry too much about what God thinks .... which id probably what God wants, whoever or whatever your God is.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Yes, people killing eachother is horrendous, but when it's thousands of miles away and in the name of an ultimately fictional character, why should Worcester's local authorities give a winkle's dick?[/p][/quote]Palestinians are getting slaughtered by Air Strikes and you're sitting behind your keyboard writing those comments. Shame on you. You know you've lost faith in humanity when there's in need for a protest![/p][/quote]But Isrealis are also claiming they're being rocketed. The Internet will give you all the information required to apparently confirm either side's story. I simply cannot make any ethical judgement on the basis of highly limited, conflicting and dubious information presented by either side; or comments on a news article. I fail to see how subjecting your local authorities to protest over something they have neither control, nor duty of care over; on the basis of probably a load of nonsense shared on Facebook; is in anyway productive to anything. Tobster
  • Score: -4

1:49pm Fri 18 Jul 14

CarlWPF says...

Ted Elgar wrote:
I think making a comparison between the EDL who incite racial hatred and this protest is a false equivalence, although I'm not sure how a protest in Worcester High Street is likely to have a major impact on the Middle East Peace Process.
Perhaps those people wandering out of TK Maxx might be forced to consider world events for 10 seconds, so that would be a good thing?
I personally find the tit for tat bickering that surrounds this topic to be ridiculous. The Palestinians are getting battered at the moment, and whatever side of the argument you are on, you should be able to empathise with that.
Equally, the protesters should keep in mind that it's possible to acknowledge the Israelis are doing a bad thing, but not be anti-Semitic. If they can't manage that, then maybe they are more similar to the EDL than I thought.
Ted Elgar writes - " I'm not sure how a protest in Worcester High Street is likely to have a major impact on the Middle East Peace Process."

Well, Ted, the vigil in Worcester like others around the country may not put a stop to Israeli F16s or Hamas rockets engaging in unequal combat, but for the people of Gaza who can often feel as if the world has forgotten them, it makes a huge difference to know that there are people who care. News of such events and photographs of displays of solidarity reach the ordinary people of Gaza and whilst they may still be trapped in the largest open air prison camp in the world, they do not feel quite so alone when they learn of the efforts that ordinary people in Worcester and other cities are making to bring attention to their plight. Even if that sense of a "common humanity" is not shared by all the citizens of Worcester.

I am pleased that you acknowledge the need for empathy and I would go further and say that we should have that for everyone caught up in the conflict. The casualty statistics are grotesquely distorted, but I have no doubt that those statistics are meaningless to the Israeli child running from an incoming rocket. It is probably little consolation to him or her that they are statistically a lot less likely to be killed or injured than their Palestinian peers. Fear is fear, regardless of a child's nationality.
[quote][p][bold]Ted Elgar[/bold] wrote: I think making a comparison between the EDL who incite racial hatred and this protest is a false equivalence, although I'm not sure how a protest in Worcester High Street is likely to have a major impact on the Middle East Peace Process. Perhaps those people wandering out of TK Maxx might be forced to consider world events for 10 seconds, so that would be a good thing? I personally find the tit for tat bickering that surrounds this topic to be ridiculous. The Palestinians are getting battered at the moment, and whatever side of the argument you are on, you should be able to empathise with that. Equally, the protesters should keep in mind that it's possible to acknowledge the Israelis are doing a bad thing, but not be anti-Semitic. If they can't manage that, then maybe they are more similar to the EDL than I thought.[/p][/quote]Ted Elgar writes - " I'm not sure how a protest in Worcester High Street is likely to have a major impact on the Middle East Peace Process." Well, Ted, the vigil in Worcester like others around the country may not put a stop to Israeli F16s or Hamas rockets engaging in unequal combat, but for the people of Gaza who can often feel as if the world has forgotten them, it makes a huge difference to know that there are people who care. News of such events and photographs of displays of solidarity reach the ordinary people of Gaza and whilst they may still be trapped in the largest open air prison camp in the world, they do not feel quite so alone when they learn of the efforts that ordinary people in Worcester and other cities are making to bring attention to their plight. Even if that sense of a "common humanity" is not shared by all the citizens of Worcester. I am pleased that you acknowledge the need for empathy and I would go further and say that we should have that for everyone caught up in the conflict. The casualty statistics are grotesquely distorted, but I have no doubt that those statistics are meaningless to the Israeli child running from an incoming rocket. It is probably little consolation to him or her that they are statistically a lot less likely to be killed or injured than their Palestinian peers. Fear is fear, regardless of a child's nationality. CarlWPF
  • Score: 11

10:17pm Fri 18 Jul 14

JackBarley says...

mwalid wrote:
bmoc55 wrote:
If only Hamas would stop sending rockets into Israel
I suggest you do your research. Israel has sent more rockets into Palestine than Hamas has into Israel. Since past 7 days over 200 innocent civilians have been killed including women and children. Only one Israeli has died unfortunately. Even Jewish people all over the world are protesting against the Zionist state & illegal occupation.
It it unfortunate that only one Israeli has been killed? I assume you would like to wipe them all out then?
[quote][p][bold]mwalid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmoc55[/bold] wrote: If only Hamas would stop sending rockets into Israel[/p][/quote]I suggest you do your research. Israel has sent more rockets into Palestine than Hamas has into Israel. Since past 7 days over 200 innocent civilians have been killed including women and children. Only one Israeli has died unfortunately. Even Jewish people all over the world are protesting against the Zionist state & illegal occupation.[/p][/quote]It it unfortunate that only one Israeli has been killed? I assume you would like to wipe them all out then? JackBarley
  • Score: -7

10:58pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Old Uncle says...

Whilst I abhor the idiocy of people who believe that they can solve a problem with violence and not get themselves and others around them hurt. I wonder how many of these dead, innocent children would have grown up to become suicide bombers taking the lives of innocents?
I am not aware of any Jewish/Zionist Suicide bombers.
Whilst I abhor the idiocy of people who believe that they can solve a problem with violence and not get themselves and others around them hurt. I wonder how many of these dead, innocent children would have grown up to become suicide bombers taking the lives of innocents? I am not aware of any Jewish/Zionist Suicide bombers. Old Uncle
  • Score: -9

4:12pm Sat 19 Jul 14

The Boy says...

Israel possesses one of the strongest militaries in the world. Gaza has no army, air force, or navy. Israel is bombing a refugee population – Palestinians were made refugees when they were forced from their land in1948 in order to create Israel.
Israel possesses one of the strongest militaries in the world. Gaza has no army, air force, or navy. Israel is bombing a refugee population – Palestinians were made refugees when they were forced from their land in1948 in order to create Israel. The Boy
  • Score: 7

6:21pm Sat 19 Jul 14

gobialoo says...

@ old uncle, you certainly are old and probably suffering from dementia, why would the jews or zionist need to grow up and be suicide bombers, when they got f16s f15s to drop laser guided 1000lbs bombs and missiles at Palestinians on beaches, supplied and armed by the great satan.
@ old uncle, you certainly are old and probably suffering from dementia, why would the jews or zionist need to grow up and be suicide bombers, when they got f16s f15s to drop laser guided 1000lbs bombs and missiles at Palestinians on beaches, supplied and armed by the great satan. gobialoo
  • Score: 1

7:33pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Shropshirelad says...

Old Uncle says...

Whilst I abhor the idiocy of people who believe that they can solve a problem with violence and not get themselves and others around them hurt. I wonder how many of these dead, innocent children would have grown up to become suicide bombers taking the lives of innocents?
I am not aware of any Jewish/Zionist Suicide bombers.

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I have read some pretty ignorant, callous and shocking comments regarding Israel/Palestine but yours really beats all in this regard. The Palestinians have tried every single conceivable option known to man to try and obtain justice from the world in general and Israel in particular. All to no avail. Those that have been suicide bombers have been driven to that by a desperate people who daily experience life under total oppression and without any sense of liberty or human rights. No person on earth wish to blow themselves up and this extreme can neither be condoned or justified but it goes to show the depth of degradation/desperat
ion of the Palestinian people. The people who make suicide bombers are the Israelis not the Palestinians themselves and, to put it mildly, this is a blot on the Israelis themselves who do not deserve any understanding in this regard and it is also a terrible indictment of the State of Israel, its government and the IDF who have reduced its subject people to such an extreme. Even if I were one, I could never admit to being an Israeli because in a thousand years, they can never live down what they have done to the Palestinian people.
Israel has no need for suicide bombers, what deaths of Palestinians they can achieve from dropping bombs and firing heavy shells and machine gun fire from long distances away from their selected targets they simply have no need to get up "close and personal". I have little doubt that the Israelis go home at the end of their duty, gloating how many Palestinian civilians, women and little children they have killed without the need to see what and who is on the end of their terrible weapons of war. Shame on you.
Old Uncle says... Whilst I abhor the idiocy of people who believe that they can solve a problem with violence and not get themselves and others around them hurt. I wonder how many of these dead, innocent children would have grown up to become suicide bombers taking the lives of innocents? I am not aware of any Jewish/Zionist Suicide bombers. .................... .......... I have read some pretty ignorant, callous and shocking comments regarding Israel/Palestine but yours really beats all in this regard. The Palestinians have tried every single conceivable option known to man to try and obtain justice from the world in general and Israel in particular. All to no avail. Those that have been suicide bombers have been driven to that by a desperate people who daily experience life under total oppression and without any sense of liberty or human rights. No person on earth wish to blow themselves up and this extreme can neither be condoned or justified but it goes to show the depth of degradation/desperat ion of the Palestinian people. The people who make suicide bombers are the Israelis not the Palestinians themselves and, to put it mildly, this is a blot on the Israelis themselves who do not deserve any understanding in this regard and it is also a terrible indictment of the State of Israel, its government and the IDF who have reduced its subject people to such an extreme. Even if I were one, I could never admit to being an Israeli because in a thousand years, they can never live down what they have done to the Palestinian people. Israel has no need for suicide bombers, what deaths of Palestinians they can achieve from dropping bombs and firing heavy shells and machine gun fire from long distances away from their selected targets they simply have no need to get up "close and personal". I have little doubt that the Israelis go home at the end of their duty, gloating how many Palestinian civilians, women and little children they have killed without the need to see what and who is on the end of their terrible weapons of war. Shame on you. Shropshirelad
  • Score: 2

1:20am Mon 21 Jul 14

Perfman says...

Shropshirelad wrote:
Old Uncle says...

Whilst I abhor the idiocy of people who believe that they can solve a problem with violence and not get themselves and others around them hurt. I wonder how many of these dead, innocent children would have grown up to become suicide bombers taking the lives of innocents?
I am not aware of any Jewish/Zionist Suicide bombers.

....................

..........

I have read some pretty ignorant, callous and shocking comments regarding Israel/Palestine but yours really beats all in this regard. The Palestinians have tried every single conceivable option known to man to try and obtain justice from the world in general and Israel in particular. All to no avail. Those that have been suicide bombers have been driven to that by a desperate people who daily experience life under total oppression and without any sense of liberty or human rights. No person on earth wish to blow themselves up and this extreme can neither be condoned or justified but it goes to show the depth of degradation/desperat

ion of the Palestinian people. The people who make suicide bombers are the Israelis not the Palestinians themselves and, to put it mildly, this is a blot on the Israelis themselves who do not deserve any understanding in this regard and it is also a terrible indictment of the State of Israel, its government and the IDF who have reduced its subject people to such an extreme. Even if I were one, I could never admit to being an Israeli because in a thousand years, they can never live down what they have done to the Palestinian people.
Israel has no need for suicide bombers, what deaths of Palestinians they can achieve from dropping bombs and firing heavy shells and machine gun fire from long distances away from their selected targets they simply have no need to get up "close and personal". I have little doubt that the Israelis go home at the end of their duty, gloating how many Palestinian civilians, women and little children they have killed without the need to see what and who is on the end of their terrible weapons of war. Shame on you.
Utter Charlie Romeo Alpha Papa
[quote][p][bold]Shropshirelad[/bold] wrote: Old Uncle says... Whilst I abhor the idiocy of people who believe that they can solve a problem with violence and not get themselves and others around them hurt. I wonder how many of these dead, innocent children would have grown up to become suicide bombers taking the lives of innocents? I am not aware of any Jewish/Zionist Suicide bombers. .................... .......... I have read some pretty ignorant, callous and shocking comments regarding Israel/Palestine but yours really beats all in this regard. The Palestinians have tried every single conceivable option known to man to try and obtain justice from the world in general and Israel in particular. All to no avail. Those that have been suicide bombers have been driven to that by a desperate people who daily experience life under total oppression and without any sense of liberty or human rights. No person on earth wish to blow themselves up and this extreme can neither be condoned or justified but it goes to show the depth of degradation/desperat ion of the Palestinian people. The people who make suicide bombers are the Israelis not the Palestinians themselves and, to put it mildly, this is a blot on the Israelis themselves who do not deserve any understanding in this regard and it is also a terrible indictment of the State of Israel, its government and the IDF who have reduced its subject people to such an extreme. Even if I were one, I could never admit to being an Israeli because in a thousand years, they can never live down what they have done to the Palestinian people. Israel has no need for suicide bombers, what deaths of Palestinians they can achieve from dropping bombs and firing heavy shells and machine gun fire from long distances away from their selected targets they simply have no need to get up "close and personal". I have little doubt that the Israelis go home at the end of their duty, gloating how many Palestinian civilians, women and little children they have killed without the need to see what and who is on the end of their terrible weapons of war. Shame on you.[/p][/quote]Utter Charlie Romeo Alpha Papa Perfman
  • Score: -3

9:58pm Fri 25 Jul 14

GemmaG101 says...

Tobster wrote:
How is a conflict thousands of miles away, predominently between a couple of medieval, oppressive religions, any of Worcester's business?
I thought it obvious what it has to do with Worcester -think about it matey - Worcester is a city with many shops which sell all sorts of things - electronics, fresh produce, cosmetics, hardware, and so on. Many of the companies producing these goods, financially back Israel. Some will fund their military campaign, some investing in their economy, building factories on freshly stolen land, or exporting produce from stolen land in Israeli settlements which are illegal under international law.

Joe public come into Worcester to buy such products. Joe public are unaware of what is going on due to our Zionist-backed media and politicians, protests like this bring the matter to the public's attention, likely in ways they had not considered previously.

Joe public can then choose to boycott such companies who fund Israeli apartheid - remember south Africa matey? The boycott made all the difference, do not underestimate it's power.

If Joe public knew that buying hair dye from Loreal or lunch at McDonalds bought them the death of a Palestinian baby by tank, or bought for them a sponsored death of four children playing football on a beach, maybe they'd choose to buy from a more ethical company. Most people don't give a **** like yourself, but it's good to inform others, and let them make their own decisions, be it on their conscience.

Boycott Israel.
[quote][p][bold]Tobster[/bold] wrote: How is a conflict thousands of miles away, predominently between a couple of medieval, oppressive religions, any of Worcester's business?[/p][/quote]I thought it obvious what it has to do with Worcester -think about it matey - Worcester is a city with many shops which sell all sorts of things - electronics, fresh produce, cosmetics, hardware, and so on. Many of the companies producing these goods, financially back Israel. Some will fund their military campaign, some investing in their economy, building factories on freshly stolen land, or exporting produce from stolen land in Israeli settlements which are illegal under international law. Joe public come into Worcester to buy such products. Joe public are unaware of what is going on due to our Zionist-backed media and politicians, protests like this bring the matter to the public's attention, likely in ways they had not considered previously. Joe public can then choose to boycott such companies who fund Israeli apartheid - remember south Africa matey? The boycott made all the difference, do not underestimate it's power. If Joe public knew that buying hair dye from Loreal or lunch at McDonalds bought them the death of a Palestinian baby by tank, or bought for them a sponsored death of four children playing football on a beach, maybe they'd choose to buy from a more ethical company. Most people don't give a **** like yourself, but it's good to inform others, and let them make their own decisions, be it on their conscience. Boycott Israel. GemmaG101
  • Score: 2

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