Pedestrian dies after being in collision with pushbike in Hereford

Pedestrian dies after being in collision with pushbike in Hereford

Pedestrian dies after being in collision with pushbike in Hereford

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POLICE have issued an appeal after an elderly pedestrian died following a collision with a pushbike in Hereford city centre.

The collision occurred at 3.10pm on Wednesday, July 30 on Commercial Street in Hereford.

The victim died in hospital on Friday having suffered serious head injuries.

She has been named as Mary Elizabeth Evans, aged 73, from Droitwich.

Her next of kin have been informed and an inquest will be opened into the cause of her death.

Anyone who witnessed the collision is urged to contact police on 101 quoting incident number 424 of 30th July

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11:53am Mon 11 Aug 14

CAH123 says...

So sad - been waiting for this to happen though as recently there have been very many cyclists bombing through the pedestrian areas in town. I, myself, have had a few near misses. I actually spoke to a policeman recently who said there was little they could do as cyclists are allowed in pedestrian areas as long as "they take due care". Not a lot of help really.
So sad - been waiting for this to happen though as recently there have been very many cyclists bombing through the pedestrian areas in town. I, myself, have had a few near misses. I actually spoke to a policeman recently who said there was little they could do as cyclists are allowed in pedestrian areas as long as "they take due care". Not a lot of help really. CAH123
  • Score: 31

12:15pm Mon 11 Aug 14

dodger3 says...

Cyclists are not allowed to cycle through High town between 10:30 and 16:30 hrs-neither are vehicles. Trouble is, market traders etc seem to ignore this bye-law. Not sure about the new shopping precinct. In all honesty, common sense suggests that cycling through pedestrian areas is unwise.
Cyclists are not allowed to cycle through High town between 10:30 and 16:30 hrs-neither are vehicles. Trouble is, market traders etc seem to ignore this bye-law. Not sure about the new shopping precinct. In all honesty, common sense suggests that cycling through pedestrian areas is unwise. dodger3
  • Score: 26

12:24pm Mon 11 Aug 14

liketoknow says...

dodger3 wrote:
Cyclists are not allowed to cycle through High town between 10:30 and 16:30 hrs-neither are vehicles. Trouble is, market traders etc seem to ignore this bye-law. Not sure about the new shopping precinct. In all honesty, common sense suggests that cycling through pedestrian areas is unwise.
they are encouraged to , in fact they share pavements in many areas now . I don't think it mentioned anything about that in the report though .
[quote][p][bold]dodger3[/bold] wrote: Cyclists are not allowed to cycle through High town between 10:30 and 16:30 hrs-neither are vehicles. Trouble is, market traders etc seem to ignore this bye-law. Not sure about the new shopping precinct. In all honesty, common sense suggests that cycling through pedestrian areas is unwise.[/p][/quote]they are encouraged to , in fact they share pavements in many areas now . I don't think it mentioned anything about that in the report though . liketoknow
  • Score: 6

12:31pm Mon 11 Aug 14

liketoknow says...

when I go walking into the City I'm always aware of the fact that my healthy innocent mode of transport could see me injured by a cyclist . It's just a fact of life I've accepted . The pedestrian is a lone voice that's not going to be heard .
when I go walking into the City I'm always aware of the fact that my healthy innocent mode of transport could see me injured by a cyclist . It's just a fact of life I've accepted . The pedestrian is a lone voice that's not going to be heard . liketoknow
  • Score: 13

12:42pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Mr.Herefordian says...

Let's face facts lots of cyclists do what they want ride on pavements, ride wrong way on one-way streets, no lights and through red lights, all ignored by the authority's.
Of course there are cyclists who ride by the rules but get tarred with the brush.
If this had any bearing on this lady's death that will be decided by the coroner.
Let's face facts lots of cyclists do what they want ride on pavements, ride wrong way on one-way streets, no lights and through red lights, all ignored by the authority's. Of course there are cyclists who ride by the rules but get tarred with the brush. If this had any bearing on this lady's death that will be decided by the coroner. Mr.Herefordian
  • Score: 32

12:56pm Mon 11 Aug 14

andy1981 says...

think we should tar all cyclists with the same brush tbh, or just tar and feather them, fed up of them doing all the things mr herefordian says, add riding side by side which they shouldnt do either. Doesnt matter whether ur a pedestrian or a driver they annoy everyone and dont even pay road tax. condolences to the family involved
think we should tar all cyclists with the same brush tbh, or just tar and feather them, fed up of them doing all the things mr herefordian says, add riding side by side which they shouldnt do either. Doesnt matter whether ur a pedestrian or a driver they annoy everyone and dont even pay road tax. condolences to the family involved andy1981
  • Score: -24

1:06pm Mon 11 Aug 14

nickt2635 says...

This has been an accident waiting to happen for a long time! There are cyclists bombing around the city centre all the time now but never a copper in sight! They do it over in the new development as well but at least over there the numerous security people tell them to get off and walk. So sad for this poor old lady and her family.
This has been an accident waiting to happen for a long time! There are cyclists bombing around the city centre all the time now but never a copper in sight! They do it over in the new development as well but at least over there the numerous security people tell them to get off and walk. So sad for this poor old lady and her family. nickt2635
  • Score: 19

1:16pm Mon 11 Aug 14

treetree2 says...

Condolences to the family of the lady involved.
Condolences to the family of the lady involved. treetree2
  • Score: 32

1:26pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Clarkester says...

It is an incredibly sad thing that has happened, and there are many bicycle users that are a complete liability.
But don't group them all in that category, unfair to say the least.
Oh and for the record andy1981, you don't pay road tax, or vehicle excise duty and then you can use the road. It's calculated by the amount of emissions the vehicle makes.
Bikes = zero pollution, and therefore zero road fund licence.
It is an incredibly sad thing that has happened, and there are many bicycle users that are a complete liability. But don't group them all in that category, unfair to say the least. Oh and for the record andy1981, you don't pay road tax, or vehicle excise duty and then you can use the road. It's calculated by the amount of emissions the vehicle makes. Bikes = zero pollution, and therefore zero road fund licence. Clarkester
  • Score: 32

1:36pm Mon 11 Aug 14

treetree2 says...

andy1981 wrote:
think we should tar all cyclists with the same brush tbh, or just tar and feather them, fed up of them doing all the things mr herefordian says, add riding side by side which they shouldnt do either. Doesnt matter whether ur a pedestrian or a driver they annoy everyone and dont even pay road tax. condolences to the family involved
Riding two abreast is perfectly legal and allowed.
Cyclists are allowed to cycle two abreast!
Rule 66 states you should never cycle more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads.
(http://www.direct.g
ov.uk/en/TravelAndTr
ansport/Highwaycode/
DG_069837)
Read this and you may understand a little better.
http://ukcyclelaws.b
logspot.co.uk/p/the-
laws-according-to-hi
ghway-code.html
[quote][p][bold]andy1981[/bold] wrote: think we should tar all cyclists with the same brush tbh, or just tar and feather them, fed up of them doing all the things mr herefordian says, add riding side by side which they shouldnt do either. Doesnt matter whether ur a pedestrian or a driver they annoy everyone and dont even pay road tax. condolences to the family involved[/p][/quote]Riding two abreast is perfectly legal and allowed. Cyclists are allowed to cycle two abreast! Rule 66 states you should never cycle more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads. (http://www.direct.g ov.uk/en/TravelAndTr ansport/Highwaycode/ DG_069837) Read this and you may understand a little better. http://ukcyclelaws.b logspot.co.uk/p/the- laws-according-to-hi ghway-code.html treetree2
  • Score: 21

1:39pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Cash-for-Goldfish says...

andy1981 wrote:
think we should tar all cyclists with the same brush tbh, or just tar and feather them, fed up of them doing all the things mr herefordian says, add riding side by side which they shouldnt do either. Doesnt matter whether ur a pedestrian or a driver they annoy everyone and dont even pay road tax. condolences to the family involved
Seriously?! Grow up...
[quote][p][bold]andy1981[/bold] wrote: think we should tar all cyclists with the same brush tbh, or just tar and feather them, fed up of them doing all the things mr herefordian says, add riding side by side which they shouldnt do either. Doesnt matter whether ur a pedestrian or a driver they annoy everyone and dont even pay road tax. condolences to the family involved[/p][/quote]Seriously?! Grow up... Cash-for-Goldfish
  • Score: 10

1:45pm Mon 11 Aug 14

littlewhitebull says...

Tragic news.
My sincere condolences to the family and friends of this lady - Mary Evans.
Tragic news. My sincere condolences to the family and friends of this lady - Mary Evans. littlewhitebull
  • Score: 24

2:54pm Mon 11 Aug 14

3thinker says...

andy1981 wrote:
think we should tar all cyclists with the same brush tbh, or just tar and feather them, fed up of them doing all the things mr herefordian says, add riding side by side which they shouldnt do either. Doesnt matter whether ur a pedestrian or a driver they annoy everyone and dont even pay road tax. condolences to the family involved
Its actually quite legal to cycle two abreast. Its also recommended by the DfT to take a more central road position where there's not room for a vehicle to pass at a safe distance (c. 1.5 metres).

Nobody pays Road Tax. Roads are paid for out of general taxation which all cyclists pay.

You probably mean VED which no low emission vehicle including a bike would pay anyway. However as most cyclists own a car they pay VED like every other driver.
[quote][p][bold]andy1981[/bold] wrote: think we should tar all cyclists with the same brush tbh, or just tar and feather them, fed up of them doing all the things mr herefordian says, add riding side by side which they shouldnt do either. Doesnt matter whether ur a pedestrian or a driver they annoy everyone and dont even pay road tax. condolences to the family involved[/p][/quote]Its actually quite legal to cycle two abreast. Its also recommended by the DfT to take a more central road position where there's not room for a vehicle to pass at a safe distance (c. 1.5 metres). Nobody pays Road Tax. Roads are paid for out of general taxation which all cyclists pay. You probably mean VED which no low emission vehicle including a bike would pay anyway. However as most cyclists own a car they pay VED like every other driver. 3thinker
  • Score: 22

3:54pm Mon 11 Aug 14

liketoknow says...

treetree2 wrote:
andy1981 wrote:
think we should tar all cyclists with the same brush tbh, or just tar and feather them, fed up of them doing all the things mr herefordian says, add riding side by side which they shouldnt do either. Doesnt matter whether ur a pedestrian or a driver they annoy everyone and dont even pay road tax. condolences to the family involved
Riding two abreast is perfectly legal and allowed.
Cyclists are allowed to cycle two abreast!
Rule 66 states you should never cycle more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads.
(http://www.direct.g

ov.uk/en/TravelAndTr

ansport/Highwaycode/

DG_069837)
Read this and you may understand a little better.
http://ukcyclelaws.b

logspot.co.uk/p/the-

laws-according-to-hi

ghway-code.html
a lot of them swallow rule books but not common sense
[quote][p][bold]treetree2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andy1981[/bold] wrote: think we should tar all cyclists with the same brush tbh, or just tar and feather them, fed up of them doing all the things mr herefordian says, add riding side by side which they shouldnt do either. Doesnt matter whether ur a pedestrian or a driver they annoy everyone and dont even pay road tax. condolences to the family involved[/p][/quote]Riding two abreast is perfectly legal and allowed. Cyclists are allowed to cycle two abreast! Rule 66 states you should never cycle more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads. (http://www.direct.g ov.uk/en/TravelAndTr ansport/Highwaycode/ DG_069837) Read this and you may understand a little better. http://ukcyclelaws.b logspot.co.uk/p/the- laws-according-to-hi ghway-code.html[/p][/quote]a lot of them swallow rule books but not common sense liketoknow
  • Score: 3

4:10pm Mon 11 Aug 14

i-cycle says...

So very sad. Condolencies to the woman involved, her family and friends.

All cyclists should obey the rules of the road and slow down and be considerate to other road users especially pedestrians. No excuses.

I do hope a witness will come forward so the police can find the cyclists involved and appropriate action taken.
So very sad. Condolencies to the woman involved, her family and friends. All cyclists should obey the rules of the road and slow down and be considerate to other road users especially pedestrians. No excuses. I do hope a witness will come forward so the police can find the cyclists involved and appropriate action taken. i-cycle
  • Score: 26

4:15pm Mon 11 Aug 14

RogerLFC says...

CAH123 wrote:
So sad - been waiting for this to happen though as recently there have been very many cyclists bombing through the pedestrian areas in town. I, myself, have had a few near misses. I actually spoke to a policeman recently who said there was little they could do as cyclists are allowed in pedestrian areas as long as "they take due care". Not a lot of help really.
Firstly my condolences to this ladies family .... Assuming that the signage is up to scratch then (resources permitting) there shouldn't be any trouble enforcing the rules about cycling in Commercial Street (where this happened). As far as I'm aware NO cycling at all is permitted there between 10.30 am and 4.30 pm. Outside of those hours cyclists can ride in either direction in that street. This was covered in the HT on 16.08.10. That article also explained that the exemptions in the pedestrian zone in that 6 hour controlled period apply only for emergency vehicles, postal vehicles, market trading vehicles and highway maintenance or street cleansing vehicles.
[quote][p][bold]CAH123[/bold] wrote: So sad - been waiting for this to happen though as recently there have been very many cyclists bombing through the pedestrian areas in town. I, myself, have had a few near misses. I actually spoke to a policeman recently who said there was little they could do as cyclists are allowed in pedestrian areas as long as "they take due care". Not a lot of help really.[/p][/quote]Firstly my condolences to this ladies family .... Assuming that the signage is up to scratch then (resources permitting) there shouldn't be any trouble enforcing the rules about cycling in Commercial Street (where this happened). As far as I'm aware NO cycling at all is permitted there between 10.30 am and 4.30 pm. Outside of those hours cyclists can ride in either direction in that street. This was covered in the HT on 16.08.10. That article also explained that the exemptions in the pedestrian zone in that 6 hour controlled period apply only for emergency vehicles, postal vehicles, market trading vehicles and highway maintenance or street cleansing vehicles. RogerLFC
  • Score: 15

4:22pm Mon 11 Aug 14

i-cycle says...

RogerLFC wrote:
CAH123 wrote:
So sad - been waiting for this to happen though as recently there have been very many cyclists bombing through the pedestrian areas in town. I, myself, have had a few near misses. I actually spoke to a policeman recently who said there was little they could do as cyclists are allowed in pedestrian areas as long as "they take due care". Not a lot of help really.
Firstly my condolences to this ladies family .... Assuming that the signage is up to scratch then (resources permitting) there shouldn't be any trouble enforcing the rules about cycling in Commercial Street (where this happened). As far as I'm aware NO cycling at all is permitted there between 10.30 am and 4.30 pm. Outside of those hours cyclists can ride in either direction in that street. This was covered in the HT on 16.08.10. That article also explained that the exemptions in the pedestrian zone in that 6 hour controlled period apply only for emergency vehicles, postal vehicles, market trading vehicles and highway maintenance or street cleansing vehicles.
Even if the cyclist had a legal right to be cycling there they should still be cycling with care knowing its a pedestrianised area.
[quote][p][bold]RogerLFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CAH123[/bold] wrote: So sad - been waiting for this to happen though as recently there have been very many cyclists bombing through the pedestrian areas in town. I, myself, have had a few near misses. I actually spoke to a policeman recently who said there was little they could do as cyclists are allowed in pedestrian areas as long as "they take due care". Not a lot of help really.[/p][/quote]Firstly my condolences to this ladies family .... Assuming that the signage is up to scratch then (resources permitting) there shouldn't be any trouble enforcing the rules about cycling in Commercial Street (where this happened). As far as I'm aware NO cycling at all is permitted there between 10.30 am and 4.30 pm. Outside of those hours cyclists can ride in either direction in that street. This was covered in the HT on 16.08.10. That article also explained that the exemptions in the pedestrian zone in that 6 hour controlled period apply only for emergency vehicles, postal vehicles, market trading vehicles and highway maintenance or street cleansing vehicles.[/p][/quote]Even if the cyclist had a legal right to be cycling there they should still be cycling with care knowing its a pedestrianised area. i-cycle
  • Score: 22

4:44pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Gillian1961 says...

my thoughts are with the famiy of this lady, it was also market day and with the stores and push chairs and mobilety scotters and people any one with any sense would not try and ride a push bike through there as well, will any thing get done what about the CTV system have a look at that
my thoughts are with the famiy of this lady, it was also market day and with the stores and push chairs and mobilety scotters and people any one with any sense would not try and ride a push bike through there as well, will any thing get done what about the CTV system have a look at that Gillian1961
  • Score: 11

4:55pm Mon 11 Aug 14

doreenann says...

sick of cyclists thinking they can get away with flouting the law ,with total disregard for pedestrians. why oh why cant or wont the police do anything .
sick of cyclists thinking they can get away with flouting the law ,with total disregard for pedestrians. why oh why cant or wont the police do anything . doreenann
  • Score: 17

5:34pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Brownface60 says...

doreenann wrote:
sick of cyclists thinking they can get away with flouting the law ,with total disregard for pedestrians. why oh why cant or wont the police do anything .
Car drivers can be traced via the registration number but cyclists don't have one! So unless the police are there at the time and then can get the cyclist to stop (two unlikely scenarios), a cyclist would not be caught straight away. The best hope is by publicising CCTV pictures - always assuming that they are clearer than many images we see on TV or in the papers. Assuming there is CCTV of the area, the HT would perform a valuable public service by publishing images as soon as possible,
[quote][p][bold]doreenann[/bold] wrote: sick of cyclists thinking they can get away with flouting the law ,with total disregard for pedestrians. why oh why cant or wont the police do anything .[/p][/quote]Car drivers can be traced via the registration number but cyclists don't have one! So unless the police are there at the time and then can get the cyclist to stop (two unlikely scenarios), a cyclist would not be caught straight away. The best hope is by publicising CCTV pictures - always assuming that they are clearer than many images we see on TV or in the papers. Assuming there is CCTV of the area, the HT would perform a valuable public service by publishing images as soon as possible, Brownface60
  • Score: 8

6:02pm Mon 11 Aug 14

liketoknow says...

i-cycle wrote:
So very sad. Condolencies to the woman involved, her family and friends.

All cyclists should obey the rules of the road and slow down and be considerate to other road users especially pedestrians. No excuses.

I do hope a witness will come forward so the police can find the cyclists involved and appropriate action taken.
It didn't state whether they were apprehended. what a nightmare scenario for everyone concerned.
[quote][p][bold]i-cycle[/bold] wrote: So very sad. Condolencies to the woman involved, her family and friends. All cyclists should obey the rules of the road and slow down and be considerate to other road users especially pedestrians. No excuses. I do hope a witness will come forward so the police can find the cyclists involved and appropriate action taken.[/p][/quote]It didn't state whether they were apprehended. what a nightmare scenario for everyone concerned. liketoknow
  • Score: 12

6:15pm Mon 11 Aug 14

dropkick55 says...

CAH123 wrote:
So sad - been waiting for this to happen though as recently there have been very many cyclists bombing through the pedestrian areas in town. I, myself, have had a few near misses. I actually spoke to a policeman recently who said there was little they could do as cyclists are allowed in pedestrian areas as long as "they take due care". Not a lot of help really.
Been waiting for this to happen?
Sick
[quote][p][bold]CAH123[/bold] wrote: So sad - been waiting for this to happen though as recently there have been very many cyclists bombing through the pedestrian areas in town. I, myself, have had a few near misses. I actually spoke to a policeman recently who said there was little they could do as cyclists are allowed in pedestrian areas as long as "they take due care". Not a lot of help really.[/p][/quote]Been waiting for this to happen? Sick dropkick55
  • Score: -17

7:33pm Mon 11 Aug 14

fmrbill says...

Condolences to the lady in questions family, and yes im afraid without taking a cheap shot at police and perhaps this isnt the right forum to place this as a lady has lost her life in unneccisary circumstances, and the police dont shin brightly out of this at all, it wasnt long ago a local police officer made a statement to the press warning the cyclists not to ride on pavements etc etc as against law, and they were going to take action against them. Please could the police now tell us how many have been reported for summons or given tickets for still doing so, phaps they could tell us, as once again they have failed, all talk no action and a lady has now lost her life, and please dont say we/they are so busy that when a police officer sees a cyclist breaking the law whilst on way to take a complaint ref a theft of mars bar/ meat etc etc, that they cant stop the car, report the person for summons, easy you never no they might find other offences being commented or person wanted etc etc, this lady lost her life for no resdon apart from police fsiling to act when seeing an offence being commited, they think it more important to record a crime after the offence, and no offenders on scene. Neglect of duty or like them admiting (police) they have lost control of streets relating to anti social behaviour, drunkeness thst thry now wish to claim the streets back, are they going to admit they have lost control of unruly cyclist or just failed to act and gave lip service to these offences when the police gave statement to press. Once again condolence to family involed.
Condolences to the lady in questions family, and yes im afraid without taking a cheap shot at police and perhaps this isnt the right forum to place this as a lady has lost her life in unneccisary circumstances, and the police dont shin brightly out of this at all, it wasnt long ago a local police officer made a statement to the press warning the cyclists not to ride on pavements etc etc as against law, and they were going to take action against them. Please could the police now tell us how many have been reported for summons or given tickets for still doing so, phaps they could tell us, as once again they have failed, all talk no action and a lady has now lost her life, and please dont say we/they are so busy that when a police officer sees a cyclist breaking the law whilst on way to take a complaint ref a theft of mars bar/ meat etc etc, that they cant stop the car, report the person for summons, easy you never no they might find other offences being commented or person wanted etc etc, this lady lost her life for no resdon apart from police fsiling to act when seeing an offence being commited, they think it more important to record a crime after the offence, and no offenders on scene. Neglect of duty or like them admiting (police) they have lost control of streets relating to anti social behaviour, drunkeness thst thry now wish to claim the streets back, are they going to admit they have lost control of unruly cyclist or just failed to act and gave lip service to these offences when the police gave statement to press. Once again condolence to family involed. fmrbill
  • Score: 10

7:34pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Cantthinkofanamenotused says...

This is very sad what has happened, this cyclist was in the wrong and should not have been cycling down Commercial Street a pedestrianized area in the afternoon. But not all cyclists behave this way, some of us are respectful of pedestrians and do get off our bikes in town and do not zoom past people. I'm not condoning the tragedy of what happened, but as a cyclist it is very difficult to get around Hereford without having to put your life in danger by cycling alongside lorries and cars on busy roads. Decent cycle paths through or around town would benefit all.
This is very sad what has happened, this cyclist was in the wrong and should not have been cycling down Commercial Street a pedestrianized area in the afternoon. But not all cyclists behave this way, some of us are respectful of pedestrians and do get off our bikes in town and do not zoom past people. I'm not condoning the tragedy of what happened, but as a cyclist it is very difficult to get around Hereford without having to put your life in danger by cycling alongside lorries and cars on busy roads. Decent cycle paths through or around town would benefit all. Cantthinkofanamenotused
  • Score: 17

7:41pm Mon 11 Aug 14

CAH123 says...

dropkick55 wrote:
CAH123 wrote:
So sad - been waiting for this to happen though as recently there have been very many cyclists bombing through the pedestrian areas in town. I, myself, have had a few near misses. I actually spoke to a policeman recently who said there was little they could do as cyclists are allowed in pedestrian areas as long as "they take due care". Not a lot of help really.
Been waiting for this to happen?
Sick
You know what I mean dropkick55. Wasn't waiting for it to happen with glee for goodness sake. Meant that I am not surprised it has happened as I've brought it to the attention of the Police on more than one occasion when I've almost been a victim myself but it hasn't gotten me anywhere. If you want to make a comment, make it a useful one.
[quote][p][bold]dropkick55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CAH123[/bold] wrote: So sad - been waiting for this to happen though as recently there have been very many cyclists bombing through the pedestrian areas in town. I, myself, have had a few near misses. I actually spoke to a policeman recently who said there was little they could do as cyclists are allowed in pedestrian areas as long as "they take due care". Not a lot of help really.[/p][/quote]Been waiting for this to happen? Sick[/p][/quote]You know what I mean dropkick55. Wasn't waiting for it to happen with glee for goodness sake. Meant that I am not surprised it has happened as I've brought it to the attention of the Police on more than one occasion when I've almost been a victim myself but it hasn't gotten me anywhere. If you want to make a comment, make it a useful one. CAH123
  • Score: 20

7:41pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Dunkley66 says...

Thank you to everyone for your positive comments regarding my much loved mother, Mary Evans, the lady that died following one of her regular day trips to Hereford after being knocked over by a cyclist in an area which is pedestrianised. As a family, we feel very strongly that the cyclist/pedestrian combination obviously is not a positive thing, as we have now lost a much loved member of our family in tragic and what we feel, unnecessary circumstances. As a result of losing my mother, I would like to start a petition to stop cyclists within this area of Hereford. Our lives have been torn apart and will do whatever we can to prevent any other family experiencing the devastation we are now experiencing. Please could the good people of Hereford let me know their thoughts on this. many thanks.
Thank you to everyone for your positive comments regarding my much loved mother, Mary Evans, the lady that died following one of her regular day trips to Hereford after being knocked over by a cyclist in an area which is pedestrianised. As a family, we feel very strongly that the cyclist/pedestrian combination obviously is not a positive thing, as we have now lost a much loved member of our family in tragic and what we feel, unnecessary circumstances. As a result of losing my mother, I would like to start a petition to stop cyclists within this area of Hereford. Our lives have been torn apart and will do whatever we can to prevent any other family experiencing the devastation we are now experiencing. Please could the good people of Hereford let me know their thoughts on this. many thanks. Dunkley66
  • Score: 47

7:44pm Mon 11 Aug 14

CAH123 says...

i-cycle wrote:
RogerLFC wrote:
CAH123 wrote:
So sad - been waiting for this to happen though as recently there have been very many cyclists bombing through the pedestrian areas in town. I, myself, have had a few near misses. I actually spoke to a policeman recently who said there was little they could do as cyclists are allowed in pedestrian areas as long as "they take due care". Not a lot of help really.
Firstly my condolences to this ladies family .... Assuming that the signage is up to scratch then (resources permitting) there shouldn't be any trouble enforcing the rules about cycling in Commercial Street (where this happened). As far as I'm aware NO cycling at all is permitted there between 10.30 am and 4.30 pm. Outside of those hours cyclists can ride in either direction in that street. This was covered in the HT on 16.08.10. That article also explained that the exemptions in the pedestrian zone in that 6 hour controlled period apply only for emergency vehicles, postal vehicles, market trading vehicles and highway maintenance or street cleansing vehicles.
Even if the cyclist had a legal right to be cycling there they should still be cycling with care knowing its a pedestrianised area.
Have to say I looked for a sign near St Peter's Church where you enter the pedestrianised area, by Marks and Spencer and even at the back of the Buttermarket and couldn't find any signs that says no cycling. The only place I have seen a no cycling sign is near to All Saints' Church where you enter Eign Gate.
[quote][p][bold]i-cycle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RogerLFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CAH123[/bold] wrote: So sad - been waiting for this to happen though as recently there have been very many cyclists bombing through the pedestrian areas in town. I, myself, have had a few near misses. I actually spoke to a policeman recently who said there was little they could do as cyclists are allowed in pedestrian areas as long as "they take due care". Not a lot of help really.[/p][/quote]Firstly my condolences to this ladies family .... Assuming that the signage is up to scratch then (resources permitting) there shouldn't be any trouble enforcing the rules about cycling in Commercial Street (where this happened). As far as I'm aware NO cycling at all is permitted there between 10.30 am and 4.30 pm. Outside of those hours cyclists can ride in either direction in that street. This was covered in the HT on 16.08.10. That article also explained that the exemptions in the pedestrian zone in that 6 hour controlled period apply only for emergency vehicles, postal vehicles, market trading vehicles and highway maintenance or street cleansing vehicles.[/p][/quote]Even if the cyclist had a legal right to be cycling there they should still be cycling with care knowing its a pedestrianised area.[/p][/quote]Have to say I looked for a sign near St Peter's Church where you enter the pedestrianised area, by Marks and Spencer and even at the back of the Buttermarket and couldn't find any signs that says no cycling. The only place I have seen a no cycling sign is near to All Saints' Church where you enter Eign Gate. CAH123
  • Score: 9

8:48pm Mon 11 Aug 14

3thinker says...

Dunkley66 wrote:
Thank you to everyone for your positive comments regarding my much loved mother, Mary Evans, the lady that died following one of her regular day trips to Hereford after being knocked over by a cyclist in an area which is pedestrianised. As a family, we feel very strongly that the cyclist/pedestrian combination obviously is not a positive thing, as we have now lost a much loved member of our family in tragic and what we feel, unnecessary circumstances. As a result of losing my mother, I would like to start a petition to stop cyclists within this area of Hereford. Our lives have been torn apart and will do whatever we can to prevent any other family experiencing the devastation we are now experiencing. Please could the good people of Hereford let me know their thoughts on this. many thanks.
I really sympathise with your loss. I hope you will take my comments in the positive way they are intended. Like drivers, the majority of cyclists are considerate. If more were encouraged to cycle they would be healthier, there would be less traffic and all the problems it brings including the much larger number of injuries and deaths that are accused each year either directly or through air pollution. On the continent pedestrians and cyclists have learned to share space without any major problems. Unfortunately, and as seen form comments on these pages, there is an obvious antagonism towards the typical, law abiding and considerate cyclists. Drivers don't think we should be on the roads, we can't cycle on pavements, local and national Government don't allocate the funds needed to provide sufficient dedicated cycleways, pedestrians don't think we should be allowed to share 'pedestrianised' areas. The result is that not enough people cycle instead of drive for the 65% of car journeys that are under 5 miles. I appreciate after what has just happened how you will feel about all cyclists,. Yet so many more pedestrians and cyclists are killed by cars and there are lots of positive reasons why the future will be better for all if pedestrians and cyclists could learn to share the car free City centre better. You asked for views and my personal one is that a more positive way to leave a lasting legacy for you dear mother is to lobby the Council and community to, where appropriate instigate measurers to extend the car free areas in the City Centre and open more up to cyclists but in ways that cyclist (and pedestrians) are educated on how best to share with care and respect for each other. There are various 'physical' ways (different coloured or textured surfaces or even painted lines) to indicate and manage where people cycle. The alternative is a complete ban, which may actually be counter productive. Firstly the less considerate will continue to cycle there. Secondly fewer will cycle into the City Centre which means more traffic and all the negatives that go who it. Again having lost my own mother recently I appreciate how you must feel, but hope you will find my comments useful in considering options and how best you wish to take things forward. Having looked at all the facts and the experience elsewhere shared space for cyclists and pedestrians is actually on the increase in the UK and being introduced in more town and city centres.
[quote][p][bold]Dunkley66[/bold] wrote: Thank you to everyone for your positive comments regarding my much loved mother, Mary Evans, the lady that died following one of her regular day trips to Hereford after being knocked over by a cyclist in an area which is pedestrianised. As a family, we feel very strongly that the cyclist/pedestrian combination obviously is not a positive thing, as we have now lost a much loved member of our family in tragic and what we feel, unnecessary circumstances. As a result of losing my mother, I would like to start a petition to stop cyclists within this area of Hereford. Our lives have been torn apart and will do whatever we can to prevent any other family experiencing the devastation we are now experiencing. Please could the good people of Hereford let me know their thoughts on this. many thanks.[/p][/quote]I really sympathise with your loss. I hope you will take my comments in the positive way they are intended. Like drivers, the majority of cyclists are considerate. If more were encouraged to cycle they would be healthier, there would be less traffic and all the problems it brings including the much larger number of injuries and deaths that are accused each year either directly or through air pollution. On the continent pedestrians and cyclists have learned to share space without any major problems. Unfortunately, and as seen form comments on these pages, there is an obvious antagonism towards the typical, law abiding and considerate cyclists. Drivers don't think we should be on the roads, we can't cycle on pavements, local and national Government don't allocate the funds needed to provide sufficient dedicated cycleways, pedestrians don't think we should be allowed to share 'pedestrianised' areas. The result is that not enough people cycle instead of drive for the 65% of car journeys that are under 5 miles. I appreciate after what has just happened how you will feel about all cyclists,. Yet so many more pedestrians and cyclists are killed by cars and there are lots of positive reasons why the future will be better for all if pedestrians and cyclists could learn to share the car free City centre better. You asked for views and my personal one is that a more positive way to leave a lasting legacy for you dear mother is to lobby the Council and community to, where appropriate instigate measurers to extend the car free areas in the City Centre and open more up to cyclists but in ways that cyclist (and pedestrians) are educated on how best to share with care and respect for each other. There are various 'physical' ways (different coloured or textured surfaces or even painted lines) to indicate and manage where people cycle. The alternative is a complete ban, which may actually be counter productive. Firstly the less considerate will continue to cycle there. Secondly fewer will cycle into the City Centre which means more traffic and all the negatives that go who it. Again having lost my own mother recently I appreciate how you must feel, but hope you will find my comments useful in considering options and how best you wish to take things forward. Having looked at all the facts and the experience elsewhere shared space for cyclists and pedestrians is actually on the increase in the UK and being introduced in more town and city centres. 3thinker
  • Score: 9

9:02pm Mon 11 Aug 14

WYSIATI says...

Sad news and condolences to friends and family.

The article doesn't say but I am assuming that the cyclist did not stop which is inexcusable.

There is no excuse for cycling dangerously in a pedestrian area or anywhere else. Just as there is none for driving a car/truck/bus or taxi in the same way.

The latest stats I could find showed that between 2008 and 2012 there were 9 pedestrians killed by bikes and another 1990 killed by cars and motor vehicles. So lets deal with bad cycling but not forget that for pedestrians and bikes the danger is cars, trucks and buses.
Sad news and condolences to friends and family. The article doesn't say but I am assuming that the cyclist did not stop which is inexcusable. There is no excuse for cycling dangerously in a pedestrian area or anywhere else. Just as there is none for driving a car/truck/bus or taxi in the same way. The latest stats I could find showed that between 2008 and 2012 there were 9 pedestrians killed by bikes and another 1990 killed by cars and motor vehicles. So lets deal with bad cycling but not forget that for pedestrians and bikes the danger is cars, trucks and buses. WYSIATI
  • Score: 16

9:50pm Mon 11 Aug 14

RogerLFC says...

CAH123 wrote:
i-cycle wrote:
RogerLFC wrote:
CAH123 wrote:
So sad - been waiting for this to happen though as recently there have been very many cyclists bombing through the pedestrian areas in town. I, myself, have had a few near misses. I actually spoke to a policeman recently who said there was little they could do as cyclists are allowed in pedestrian areas as long as "they take due care". Not a lot of help really.
Firstly my condolences to this ladies family .... Assuming that the signage is up to scratch then (resources permitting) there shouldn't be any trouble enforcing the rules about cycling in Commercial Street (where this happened). As far as I'm aware NO cycling at all is permitted there between 10.30 am and 4.30 pm. Outside of those hours cyclists can ride in either direction in that street. This was covered in the HT on 16.08.10. That article also explained that the exemptions in the pedestrian zone in that 6 hour controlled period apply only for emergency vehicles, postal vehicles, market trading vehicles and highway maintenance or street cleansing vehicles.
Even if the cyclist had a legal right to be cycling there they should still be cycling with care knowing its a pedestrianised area.
Have to say I looked for a sign near St Peter's Church where you enter the pedestrianised area, by Marks and Spencer and even at the back of the Buttermarket and couldn't find any signs that says no cycling. The only place I have seen a no cycling sign is near to All Saints' Church where you enter Eign Gate.
If this tragic event had happened at 4.35 pm (when it would be similarly busy) we wouldn't be having this discussion about the signs. As cycling would be legal in this street. It will surely boil down to whether the cyclist's behaviour was careless or dangerous. Too few facts in the report (via the WMP website) to comment on that. The cyclist may already be known and I think the report from the Police should have indicated yes/no on that point.

Regarding the Primary signs they are pretty rubbish I think. They are expensive electric rotating ones that change from a blank red circle (no vehicles) to a red circle with a car and motorcycle inside (no motor vehicles). When they change at 4.30 pm they still have 'Pedestrian Zone' at the top of the sign (as in the daytime) but this now includes bicycles ... Which is not a total pedestrian zone in my book ... Plus the sign outside M&S points at High Street telling not one single piece of useful information as it's one way the other way. Away from the sign.

I think 'Small Town' was out of order for posting that IP and address of the poster CAH123 ... That post has been misunderstood and they clearly corrected themselves. They anticipated a potential problem as opposed to wanting one to happen ...
[quote][p][bold]CAH123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]i-cycle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RogerLFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CAH123[/bold] wrote: So sad - been waiting for this to happen though as recently there have been very many cyclists bombing through the pedestrian areas in town. I, myself, have had a few near misses. I actually spoke to a policeman recently who said there was little they could do as cyclists are allowed in pedestrian areas as long as "they take due care". Not a lot of help really.[/p][/quote]Firstly my condolences to this ladies family .... Assuming that the signage is up to scratch then (resources permitting) there shouldn't be any trouble enforcing the rules about cycling in Commercial Street (where this happened). As far as I'm aware NO cycling at all is permitted there between 10.30 am and 4.30 pm. Outside of those hours cyclists can ride in either direction in that street. This was covered in the HT on 16.08.10. That article also explained that the exemptions in the pedestrian zone in that 6 hour controlled period apply only for emergency vehicles, postal vehicles, market trading vehicles and highway maintenance or street cleansing vehicles.[/p][/quote]Even if the cyclist had a legal right to be cycling there they should still be cycling with care knowing its a pedestrianised area.[/p][/quote]Have to say I looked for a sign near St Peter's Church where you enter the pedestrianised area, by Marks and Spencer and even at the back of the Buttermarket and couldn't find any signs that says no cycling. The only place I have seen a no cycling sign is near to All Saints' Church where you enter Eign Gate.[/p][/quote]If this tragic event had happened at 4.35 pm (when it would be similarly busy) we wouldn't be having this discussion about the signs. As cycling would be legal in this street. It will surely boil down to whether the cyclist's behaviour was careless or dangerous. Too few facts in the report (via the WMP website) to comment on that. The cyclist may already be known and I think the report from the Police should have indicated yes/no on that point. Regarding the Primary signs they are pretty rubbish I think. They are expensive electric rotating ones that change from a blank red circle (no vehicles) to a red circle with a car and motorcycle inside (no motor vehicles). When they change at 4.30 pm they still have 'Pedestrian Zone' at the top of the sign (as in the daytime) but this now includes bicycles ... Which is not a total pedestrian zone in my book ... Plus the sign outside M&S points at High Street telling not one single piece of useful information as it's one way the other way. Away from the sign. I think 'Small Town' was out of order for posting that IP and address of the poster CAH123 ... That post has been misunderstood and they clearly corrected themselves. They anticipated a potential problem as opposed to wanting one to happen ... RogerLFC
  • Score: 15

11:57pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Gillian1961 says...

Dunkley66 wrote:
Thank you to everyone for your positive comments regarding my much loved mother, Mary Evans, the lady that died following one of her regular day trips to Hereford after being knocked over by a cyclist in an area which is pedestrianised. As a family, we feel very strongly that the cyclist/pedestrian combination obviously is not a positive thing, as we have now lost a much loved member of our family in tragic and what we feel, unnecessary circumstances. As a result of losing my mother, I would like to start a petition to stop cyclists within this area of Hereford. Our lives have been torn apart and will do whatever we can to prevent any other family experiencing the devastation we are now experiencing. Please could the good people of Hereford let me know their thoughts on this. many thanks.
Thinking of you and your family at this sad loss of your mother, hopefully some thing will be done to stop this happening again
[quote][p][bold]Dunkley66[/bold] wrote: Thank you to everyone for your positive comments regarding my much loved mother, Mary Evans, the lady that died following one of her regular day trips to Hereford after being knocked over by a cyclist in an area which is pedestrianised. As a family, we feel very strongly that the cyclist/pedestrian combination obviously is not a positive thing, as we have now lost a much loved member of our family in tragic and what we feel, unnecessary circumstances. As a result of losing my mother, I would like to start a petition to stop cyclists within this area of Hereford. Our lives have been torn apart and will do whatever we can to prevent any other family experiencing the devastation we are now experiencing. Please could the good people of Hereford let me know their thoughts on this. many thanks.[/p][/quote]Thinking of you and your family at this sad loss of your mother, hopefully some thing will be done to stop this happening again Gillian1961
  • Score: 9

1:07am Tue 12 Aug 14

Houdini80 says...

andy1981 wrote:
think we should tar all cyclists with the same brush tbh, or just tar and feather them, fed up of them doing all the things mr herefordian says, add riding side by side which they shouldnt do either. Doesnt matter whether ur a pedestrian or a driver they annoy everyone and dont even pay road tax. condolences to the family involved
Andy, your not mentally equipped with the basics to pass comment. Why tar all cyclist's with the same brush? Cyclist's ARE allowed to ride two abreast, and no one pay's road tax because road tax doesn't exist....And even if it did, how are you able to determine that they do not have a vehicle? I do hope you don't have a driving license, your clearly have a vague grasp of reality that will probably endanger someone else. Unreal......someone losses a loved one, you use it a platform to demonstrate your standing as village idiot. Bravo
[quote][p][bold]andy1981[/bold] wrote: think we should tar all cyclists with the same brush tbh, or just tar and feather them, fed up of them doing all the things mr herefordian says, add riding side by side which they shouldnt do either. Doesnt matter whether ur a pedestrian or a driver they annoy everyone and dont even pay road tax. condolences to the family involved[/p][/quote]Andy, your not mentally equipped with the basics to pass comment. Why tar all cyclist's with the same brush? Cyclist's ARE allowed to ride two abreast, and no one pay's road tax because road tax doesn't exist....And even if it did, how are you able to determine that they do not have a vehicle? I do hope you don't have a driving license, your clearly have a vague grasp of reality that will probably endanger someone else. Unreal......someone losses a loved one, you use it a platform to demonstrate your standing as village idiot. Bravo Houdini80
  • Score: 5

9:08am Tue 12 Aug 14

Eddie-983 says...

I have to say first off that I don't cycle! However, having seen all this negative feed regarding cyclists on pavements I would say that riding on the roads around Hereford is a particularly dangerous past time.

I see drivers on the roads who give very little thought to cyclists and drive in a manner that appears to me as though they are looking no further than the end of their bonnet!

If I cycled I for one would be on the pavement and I if I had children I wouldn't let them cycle to town unless they too were on the pavement!

The council for one could do like other European countries and make the pavements half pedestrian and half cyclist.

Yes there are lunatics on bicycles, but equally there are lunatics in cars. It's a real pity this lady lost her life in this way.

I think the fault lies clearly with the Council who need to get a grip and make clear definable routes/cycle paths for cyclists then maybe the police could actually have something they could enforce! I would think this fits in with the whole carbon foot print, public transport and reducing green house gasses.
I have to say first off that I don't cycle! However, having seen all this negative feed regarding cyclists on pavements I would say that riding on the roads around Hereford is a particularly dangerous past time. I see drivers on the roads who give very little thought to cyclists and drive in a manner that appears to me as though they are looking no further than the end of their bonnet! If I cycled I for one would be on the pavement and I if I had children I wouldn't let them cycle to town unless they too were on the pavement! The council for one could do like other European countries and make the pavements half pedestrian and half cyclist. Yes there are lunatics on bicycles, but equally there are lunatics in cars. It's a real pity this lady lost her life in this way. I think the fault lies clearly with the Council who need to get a grip and make clear definable routes/cycle paths for cyclists then maybe the police could actually have something they could enforce! I would think this fits in with the whole carbon foot print, public transport and reducing green house gasses. Eddie-983
  • Score: 16

11:37am Tue 12 Aug 14

gittingold says...

There appears to be no laws regarding cyclists as they unlike any other road user can do anything they wish without any regard to pedestrians.
Also what I don't understand is that we are informed that we have a pedestrian precinct between the hours of 10:30 to 16:30 but walking along Widemarsh Street during these hours on a Saturday it looks like a free car park as vehicles are parked there all day to which they pay nothing and none are ticketed or removed, Council or Police responsibility?
There appears to be no laws regarding cyclists as they unlike any other road user can do anything they wish without any regard to pedestrians. Also what I don't understand is that we are informed that we have a pedestrian precinct between the hours of 10:30 to 16:30 but walking along Widemarsh Street during these hours on a Saturday it looks like a free car park as vehicles are parked there all day to which they pay nothing and none are ticketed or removed, Council or Police responsibility? gittingold
  • Score: -9

3:54pm Tue 12 Aug 14

liketoknow says...

there's an obvious case for registration and thirdparty insurance for cyclists .
there's an obvious case for registration and thirdparty insurance for cyclists . liketoknow
  • Score: -15

4:25pm Tue 12 Aug 14

liketoknow says...

there's is a charity that stands up for pedestrians. It is called Living Streets.
there's is a charity that stands up for pedestrians. It is called Living Streets. liketoknow
  • Score: 1

5:25pm Tue 12 Aug 14

St Jon says...

Sorry to interrupt a good lynching of anything on 2 wheels, but mightn't it be a good idea to wait until the facts are known and have been properly been considered by an inquest?? From the police report we know virtually nothing of the incident other than its tragic outcome (which, sadly, is completely overshadowed by the collective outpouring of prejudice & bile). This could be a tragic accident; it could be an act of individual recklessness; or there could indeed be a systematic issue which needs action. Even in that latter case, there may be more practical solutions than banning/tarring/feat
hering/registering/l
abelling/eulogising about long extinct tax regimes.

As for that old chesnut about registration, recognise that no other country on the planet has such a scheme for law enforcement (the last I'm aware of was Germany, which repealed it c. 1945). A few have had it for theft or taxation purposes, but almost all have dropped it as unworkable. So does Britain have uniquely bad cycling issues, or does our society just have a uniquely intolerant and nasty underbelly.

So lets all calm down, wait for the learning to emerge, and in the meantime devote our thoughts to the Evans family.
Sorry to interrupt a good lynching of anything on 2 wheels, but mightn't it be a good idea to wait until the facts are known and have been properly been considered by an inquest?? From the police report we know virtually nothing of the incident other than its tragic outcome (which, sadly, is completely overshadowed by the collective outpouring of prejudice & bile). This could be a tragic accident; it could be an act of individual recklessness; or there could indeed be a systematic issue which needs action. Even in that latter case, there may be more practical solutions than banning/tarring/feat hering/registering/l abelling/eulogising about long extinct tax regimes. As for that old chesnut about registration, recognise that no other country on the planet has such a scheme for law enforcement (the last I'm aware of was Germany, which repealed it c. 1945). A few have had it for theft or taxation purposes, but almost all have dropped it as unworkable. So does Britain have uniquely bad cycling issues, or does our society just have a uniquely intolerant and nasty underbelly. So lets all calm down, wait for the learning to emerge, and in the meantime devote our thoughts to the Evans family. St Jon
  • Score: 20

5:46pm Tue 12 Aug 14

3thinker says...

liketoknow wrote:
there's is a charity that stands up for pedestrians. It is called Living Streets.
They also stand up for cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: there's is a charity that stands up for pedestrians. It is called Living Streets.[/p][/quote]They also stand up for cyclists. 3thinker
  • Score: 8

9:42pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Small Town says...

My sincere thoughts go out to the family of the deceased for the pain they must be suffering and also to the poor fellow who was the physically uninjured party in this accident - he is no doubt living in deep regret regardless of fault, that's just natural.

Terrible accidents happen on our roads daily, very very few intentionally. I don't know Hereford or the street involved however the temporary nature of the pedestrianisation suggests that mistakes over access would be understandable.

Each day during the school holidays I see children as old as 8 cycling on pavements alongside the A-road close to my house, collision with a infirm elderly person would undoubtedly lead to injury major or minor. However, in my belief that "accidents will happen", I'd rather see these cyclists on the pavements than using the main road.
My sincere thoughts go out to the family of the deceased for the pain they must be suffering and also to the poor fellow who was the physically uninjured party in this accident - he is no doubt living in deep regret regardless of fault, that's just natural. Terrible accidents happen on our roads daily, very very few intentionally. I don't know Hereford or the street involved however the temporary nature of the pedestrianisation suggests that mistakes over access would be understandable. Each day during the school holidays I see children as old as 8 cycling on pavements alongside the A-road close to my house, collision with a infirm elderly person would undoubtedly lead to injury major or minor. However, in my belief that "accidents will happen", I'd rather see these cyclists on the pavements than using the main road. Small Town
  • Score: 4

11:24am Wed 13 Aug 14

ScaredAmoeba says...

It is most unfortunate and deeply regrettable about the death of the pedestrian. Despite that there seems to be extensive ignorance in the comments about 'pedestrian' areas (presumably by drivers). Often these areas are accompanied by a circular sign, ringed in red containing a motor car and motorcycle. This sign means 'no motor vehicles', but does not exclude pedal cycles. I cycle in such pedestrian areas legally and there should be no problems, I cycle according to the foot-traffic. I'm afraid there are idiots who ride bicycle, who are pedestrians and those who drive motor-vehicles.
It should also be noted that pedestrian fatalities caused by pedal cyclists are very unusual. On the footway (colloquially the pavement), between 2005 and 2009, pavement drivers killed 151 times (one every 8 days) the number of pedestrians killed by pavement cyclists (one every three years four months). (DFT figures).
Motorists have even run down and seriously injure people in their own homes. If you don't believe me, try a search engine.
It is most unfortunate and deeply regrettable about the death of the pedestrian. Despite that there seems to be extensive ignorance in the comments about 'pedestrian' areas (presumably by drivers). Often these areas are accompanied by a circular sign, ringed in red containing a motor car and motorcycle. This sign means 'no motor vehicles', but does not exclude pedal cycles. I cycle in such pedestrian areas legally and there should be no problems, I cycle according to the foot-traffic. I'm afraid there are idiots who ride bicycle, who are pedestrians and those who drive motor-vehicles. It should also be noted that pedestrian fatalities caused by pedal cyclists are very unusual. On the footway (colloquially the pavement), between 2005 and 2009, pavement drivers killed 151 times (one every 8 days) the number of pedestrians killed by pavement cyclists (one every three years four months). (DFT figures). Motorists have even run down and seriously injure people in their own homes. If you don't believe me, try a search engine. ScaredAmoeba
  • Score: -4

1:24pm Wed 13 Aug 14

amanda_martin says...

Nothing illustrates how backward and uncivilised we are as road users in this country as our attitudes towards cyclists. In Britain, cyclists inhabit an uncomfortable psychological and physical no-man’s land and this lady's death is a consequence. Constantly made to feel like we’re trespassing, and in a pincer movement of social obloquy , we face pedestrian opprobrium on one side and death on the other. Car drivers cause untold carnage, damage and bad feeling every year and yet it's cyclists who are vilified. Every week there are reports of pedestrians, and cyclists too, being killed by traffic without a murmur about the way we habitually drive cars.

None of this makes any sense. Cycling is a good thing. It's good for our air quality. It's good for our children's freedom and independence. It's good for our local economy, our neighbourliness, our road surfaces and it's good for us. If we spent half as much time providing for cyclists as we do abusing and persecuting them, we would have a completely different culture on the road and accidents like this one wouldn't happen.

You get what you pay for in transport planning: provide for cyclists and you get cyclists; build roads and you get traffic and we know where that's got us.
Nothing illustrates how backward and uncivilised we are as road users in this country as our attitudes towards cyclists. In Britain, cyclists inhabit an uncomfortable psychological and physical no-man’s land and this lady's death is a consequence. Constantly made to feel like we’re trespassing, and in a pincer movement of social obloquy , we face pedestrian opprobrium on one side and death on the other. Car drivers cause untold carnage, damage and bad feeling every year and yet it's cyclists who are vilified. Every week there are reports of pedestrians, and cyclists too, being killed by traffic without a murmur about the way we habitually drive cars. None of this makes any sense. Cycling is a good thing. It's good for our air quality. It's good for our children's freedom and independence. It's good for our local economy, our neighbourliness, our road surfaces and it's good for us. If we spent half as much time providing for cyclists as we do abusing and persecuting them, we would have a completely different culture on the road and accidents like this one wouldn't happen. You get what you pay for in transport planning: provide for cyclists and you get cyclists; build roads and you get traffic and we know where that's got us. amanda_martin
  • Score: 10

5:53pm Wed 13 Aug 14

ScaredAmoeba says...

amanda_martin wrote:
Nothing illustrates how backward and uncivilised we are as road users in this country as our attitudes towards cyclists. In Britain, cyclists inhabit an uncomfortable psychological and physical no-man’s land and this lady's death is a consequence. Constantly made to feel like we’re trespassing, and in a pincer movement of social obloquy , we face pedestrian opprobrium on one side and death on the other. Car drivers cause untold carnage, damage and bad feeling every year and yet it's cyclists who are vilified. Every week there are reports of pedestrians, and cyclists too, being killed by traffic without a murmur about the way we habitually drive cars.

None of this makes any sense. Cycling is a good thing. It's good for our air quality. It's good for our children's freedom and independence. It's good for our local economy, our neighbourliness, our road surfaces and it's good for us. If we spent half as much time providing for cyclists as we do abusing and persecuting them, we would have a completely different culture on the road and accidents like this one wouldn't happen.

You get what you pay for in transport planning: provide for cyclists and you get cyclists; build roads and you get traffic and we know where that's got us.
Excellent post!
I would add that it has been shown that despite paying VED and fuel duty, motorists in the UK are subsidised by 2,000 Euros per vehicle on average. Furthermore, air pollution from motor-vehicles kills thousands each year. Add to that, if we could reach the levels of cycling in Copenhagen, the UK would save almost £50 bn each year. Effectively, high quality cycling infrastructure more than pays for itself.
But what do we get? More roads and more congestion. This has been proven over decades not to work. When will the Politicians learn?
[quote][p][bold]amanda_martin[/bold] wrote: Nothing illustrates how backward and uncivilised we are as road users in this country as our attitudes towards cyclists. In Britain, cyclists inhabit an uncomfortable psychological and physical no-man’s land and this lady's death is a consequence. Constantly made to feel like we’re trespassing, and in a pincer movement of social obloquy , we face pedestrian opprobrium on one side and death on the other. Car drivers cause untold carnage, damage and bad feeling every year and yet it's cyclists who are vilified. Every week there are reports of pedestrians, and cyclists too, being killed by traffic without a murmur about the way we habitually drive cars. None of this makes any sense. Cycling is a good thing. It's good for our air quality. It's good for our children's freedom and independence. It's good for our local economy, our neighbourliness, our road surfaces and it's good for us. If we spent half as much time providing for cyclists as we do abusing and persecuting them, we would have a completely different culture on the road and accidents like this one wouldn't happen. You get what you pay for in transport planning: provide for cyclists and you get cyclists; build roads and you get traffic and we know where that's got us.[/p][/quote]Excellent post! I would add that it has been shown that despite paying VED and fuel duty, motorists in the UK are subsidised by 2,000 Euros per vehicle on average. Furthermore, air pollution from motor-vehicles kills thousands each year. Add to that, if we could reach the levels of cycling in Copenhagen, the UK would save almost £50 bn each year. Effectively, high quality cycling infrastructure more than pays for itself. But what do we get? More roads and more congestion. This has been proven over decades not to work. When will the Politicians learn? ScaredAmoeba
  • Score: -4

5:14pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Herefordian says...

a few Sundays ago on the A438 heading towards Brecon in my car on the brow near Bridge Sollars Car Sales, red band in middle of road, double white lines and 2 cyclists taking up the full width of my side of the road, couldn't see over the brow and a friendly toot just had them looking back as if to say "what" so had to follow until I could see it was clear to overtake. I am not against cyclists but taking up all of the road is not on
a few Sundays ago on the A438 heading towards Brecon in my car on the brow near Bridge Sollars Car Sales, red band in middle of road, double white lines and 2 cyclists taking up the full width of my side of the road, couldn't see over the brow and a friendly toot just had them looking back as if to say "what" so had to follow until I could see it was clear to overtake. I am not against cyclists but taking up all of the road is not on Herefordian
  • Score: 0

5:30pm Fri 15 Aug 14

3thinker says...

Herefordian wrote:
a few Sundays ago on the A438 heading towards Brecon in my car on the brow near Bridge Sollars Car Sales, red band in middle of road, double white lines and 2 cyclists taking up the full width of my side of the road, couldn't see over the brow and a friendly toot just had them looking back as if to say "what" so had to follow until I could see it was clear to overtake. I am not against cyclists but taking up all of the road is not on
Q. Would you overtake a car in that situation?
A. Of course not
Q. Was your side of the carriageway wide enough to allow one cyclist to ride 1m from the kerb and leave a safe passing distance (as if passing a car) of 1.5m for you to overtake without crossing the double white line?
A. I doubt it (so even if one cyclist you should not pass)
Q. Are cyclists allowed legally to ride 2 abreast ?
A. Yes
Q. Are cyclists advised in DfT approved Bikeability training to take a more central road position or double up to protect themselves when its not safe for a car to pass?
A. Yes.
Sorry Herefordian, whether they were single file or two abreast its not them that were doing anything wrong. In that situation no driver should have even attempted to pass them. Perhaps time to dust off that Highway Code?
[quote][p][bold]Herefordian[/bold] wrote: a few Sundays ago on the A438 heading towards Brecon in my car on the brow near Bridge Sollars Car Sales, red band in middle of road, double white lines and 2 cyclists taking up the full width of my side of the road, couldn't see over the brow and a friendly toot just had them looking back as if to say "what" so had to follow until I could see it was clear to overtake. I am not against cyclists but taking up all of the road is not on[/p][/quote]Q. Would you overtake a car in that situation? A. Of course not Q. Was your side of the carriageway wide enough to allow one cyclist to ride 1m from the kerb and leave a safe passing distance (as if passing a car) of 1.5m for you to overtake without crossing the double white line? A. I doubt it (so even if one cyclist you should not pass) Q. Are cyclists allowed legally to ride 2 abreast ? A. Yes Q. Are cyclists advised in DfT approved Bikeability training to take a more central road position or double up to protect themselves when its not safe for a car to pass? A. Yes. Sorry Herefordian, whether they were single file or two abreast its not them that were doing anything wrong. In that situation no driver should have even attempted to pass them. Perhaps time to dust off that Highway Code? 3thinker
  • Score: 6

6:41am Sat 16 Aug 14

ScaredAmoeba says...

Herefordian wrote:
a few Sundays ago on the A438 heading towards Brecon in my car on the brow near Bridge Sollars Car Sales, red band in middle of road, double white lines and 2 cyclists taking up the full width of my side of the road, couldn't see over the brow and a friendly toot just had them looking back as if to say "what" so had to follow until I could see it was clear to overtake. I am not against cyclists but taking up all of the road is not on
It is perfectly obvious from what you wrote, that you were impatient to squeeze past the cyclists on a blind summit. A quick check reveals it is a narrow road, and there isn't enough room for a safe overtake, except where the centre white line is broken and visibility permits observations to show it is safe to overtake on the other side of the road.
You are what cyclists call an MGIF driver (must get in front), who couldn't wait to overtake, but you don't understand the danger such a manoeuvre would cause to the cyclists, were you to do so. You must learn to be patient and wait a few more seconds for a safe overtake and allow as much room for a cyclists as you would give a car (see Highway Code). I strongly suspect that you were following far too close (dangerous) behind the cyclists as so many motorists do, when they are impatient to overtake.

You are typical of so many drivers: You are shamefully ignorant of the Highway Code and yet you blame the cyclists who were acting lawfully, when the fault lies entirely with yourself. The cyclists had foreseen such a dangerous manoeuvre and had taken preventative, self-preservation action.
You need to learn about the Dunning-Kruger effect, why you suffer from it and learn how to cure yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Herefordian[/bold] wrote: a few Sundays ago on the A438 heading towards Brecon in my car on the brow near Bridge Sollars Car Sales, red band in middle of road, double white lines and 2 cyclists taking up the full width of my side of the road, couldn't see over the brow and a friendly toot just had them looking back as if to say "what" so had to follow until I could see it was clear to overtake. I am not against cyclists but taking up all of the road is not on[/p][/quote]It is perfectly obvious from what you wrote, that you were impatient to squeeze past the cyclists on a blind summit. A quick check reveals it is a narrow road, and there isn't enough room for a safe overtake, except where the centre white line is broken and visibility permits observations to show it is safe to overtake on the other side of the road. You are what cyclists call an MGIF driver (must get in front), who couldn't wait to overtake, but you don't understand the danger such a manoeuvre would cause to the cyclists, were you to do so. You must learn to be patient and wait a few more seconds for a safe overtake and allow as much room for a cyclists as you would give a car (see Highway Code). I strongly suspect that you were following far too close (dangerous) behind the cyclists as so many motorists do, when they are impatient to overtake. You are typical of so many drivers: You are shamefully ignorant of the Highway Code and yet you blame the cyclists who were acting lawfully, when the fault lies entirely with yourself. The cyclists had foreseen such a dangerous manoeuvre and had taken preventative, self-preservation action. You need to learn about the Dunning-Kruger effect, why you suffer from it and learn how to cure yourself. ScaredAmoeba
  • Score: -4

2:42pm Sat 16 Aug 14

i-cycle says...

Herefordian wrote:
a few Sundays ago on the A438 heading towards Brecon in my car on the brow near Bridge Sollars Car Sales, red band in middle of road, double white lines and 2 cyclists taking up the full width of my side of the road, couldn't see over the brow and a friendly toot just had them looking back as if to say "what" so had to follow until I could see it was clear to overtake. I am not against cyclists but taking up all of the road is not on
HI Herefordian.

I'm sure you're as careful and considerate a driver as the majority, but in this instance the cyclists were actually doing what's legal and recommended.

I've had a look at the road on Google Streetscene and it looks as though, even if the cyclists were in single file, the carriageway at this point isn't wide enough to pass safely and certainly if you were coming up to the blind summit.

I'm constantly amazed at drivers who wouldn't even think about passing a car in such circumstances, but wrongly assume the cyclist should be riding in the gutter and they have the right to pass too close to a cyclist and put them at risk.

Even worse is that not at all uncommon instances where drivers deliberately pull in quickly just after passing cyclists as if to suggests its the cyclist and not the driver who is in the wrong and ignorant of the Highway Code.

That said there are also cyclists who do act irresponsibly and without due consideration for other road users.

If only we could all learn to share our overcrowded roads with respect for the Highway Code and greater consideration for other road users and particularly the more vulnerable pedestrians and cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]Herefordian[/bold] wrote: a few Sundays ago on the A438 heading towards Brecon in my car on the brow near Bridge Sollars Car Sales, red band in middle of road, double white lines and 2 cyclists taking up the full width of my side of the road, couldn't see over the brow and a friendly toot just had them looking back as if to say "what" so had to follow until I could see it was clear to overtake. I am not against cyclists but taking up all of the road is not on[/p][/quote]HI Herefordian. I'm sure you're as careful and considerate a driver as the majority, but in this instance the cyclists were actually doing what's legal and recommended. I've had a look at the road on Google Streetscene and it looks as though, even if the cyclists were in single file, the carriageway at this point isn't wide enough to pass safely and certainly if you were coming up to the blind summit. I'm constantly amazed at drivers who wouldn't even think about passing a car in such circumstances, but wrongly assume the cyclist should be riding in the gutter and they have the right to pass too close to a cyclist and put them at risk. Even worse is that not at all uncommon instances where drivers deliberately pull in quickly just after passing cyclists as if to suggests its the cyclist and not the driver who is in the wrong and ignorant of the Highway Code. That said there are also cyclists who do act irresponsibly and without due consideration for other road users. If only we could all learn to share our overcrowded roads with respect for the Highway Code and greater consideration for other road users and particularly the more vulnerable pedestrians and cyclists. i-cycle
  • Score: 4

10:02am Mon 18 Aug 14

mizza21 says...

I wave at cyclists when they ride past my house.
Very few of them wave back.

Miserable sods.
I wave at cyclists when they ride past my house. Very few of them wave back. Miserable sods. mizza21
  • Score: -5

8:18pm Sun 24 Aug 14

CAH123 says...

liketoknow wrote:
dodger3 wrote:
Cyclists are not allowed to cycle through High town between 10:30 and 16:30 hrs-neither are vehicles. Trouble is, market traders etc seem to ignore this bye-law. Not sure about the new shopping precinct. In all honesty, common sense suggests that cycling through pedestrian areas is unwise.
they are encouraged to , in fact they share pavements in many areas now . I don't think it mentioned anything about that in the report though .
Looked at the signs today entering High Town. They actually say "no vehicles". I imagine cyclists think this doesn't mean them. Still cyclists riding around today and on pavements in Commercial Road. Lots of police officers/CSOs about but didn't see anyone stopped.
[quote][p][bold]liketoknow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dodger3[/bold] wrote: Cyclists are not allowed to cycle through High town between 10:30 and 16:30 hrs-neither are vehicles. Trouble is, market traders etc seem to ignore this bye-law. Not sure about the new shopping precinct. In all honesty, common sense suggests that cycling through pedestrian areas is unwise.[/p][/quote]they are encouraged to , in fact they share pavements in many areas now . I don't think it mentioned anything about that in the report though .[/p][/quote]Looked at the signs today entering High Town. They actually say "no vehicles". I imagine cyclists think this doesn't mean them. Still cyclists riding around today and on pavements in Commercial Road. Lots of police officers/CSOs about but didn't see anyone stopped. CAH123
  • Score: 0

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