Concerns over internet box in Kempsey

John Anyon       03/09/14             3614691401

Tony Denny from Brookend Lane, Kempsey with an artists impression of what a large BT fibre optic box would look like in fron of his house. Tony is concerned for road safety as the box would be a visual haz

John Anyon 03/09/14 3614691401 Tony Denny from Brookend Lane, Kempsey with an artists impression of what a large BT fibre optic box would look like in fron of his house. Tony is concerned for road safety as the box would be a visual haz

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A ROW has broken out over a new high-speed internet cabinet due to be set up in Kempsey.

Residents in Brookend Lane and The Limes are concerned about the impact of a new box due to be set up by BT's infrastructure division Openreach at the junction of the two roads.

Retired engineer Tony Denny, who has lived near the junction with his wife Jane for the past 45 years, said he was concerned the five by four foot box would block the view of traffic in the area.

"I can't believe they would stick one of these big boxes in a line of sight," he said.

"It's rather large to say the least and it poses a danger to road users.

"We have had accidents here with cars sliding off the road.

"There's only so many times you can see these things about to happen."

Although the cabinet had to be approved by Worcestershire County Council as it is more than five foot high, Mr Denny said he was concerned planning officers had not given consideration to the potential traffic problems it could cause.

"The council is under pressure to whack these things through as quick as they can," he said.

He added, although the area has a 30 mph speed limit, speed checks had shown traffic sometimes travels through at speeds of up to 62 mph.

The new cabinet is part of joint project between Worcestershire County Council and BT, who are working to introduce superfast broadband throughout the county.

An Openreach spokesman said the new cabinet would allow about 100 homes in the area connect to a new high-speed fibre optic network offering download speeds of up to 80 megabits per second.

"A number of important factors are taken into account when considering where to site a fibre cabinet," she said.

"These include access to a local power supply, the proximity to the main network that it needs to connect to, the position of other organisations’ underground equipment and the local surroundings.

"The position of this cabinet meets the necessary requirements and the correct processes have been followed.

"Highways and planning officers were consulted as part of the process and confirmed that health and safety and visibility aspects were taken into consideration."

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6:11pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Bike boy says...

Some people must have nothing to do but moan . I'm expect they've been moaning they haven't got super fast broadband and now it's coming they're now moaning about the equipment. I'd say his issue is because it's outside his house and nothing to do with the road safety.....
Some people must have nothing to do but moan . I'm expect they've been moaning they haven't got super fast broadband and now it's coming they're now moaning about the equipment. I'd say his issue is because it's outside his house and nothing to do with the road safety..... Bike boy
  • Score: 56

6:54pm Thu 4 Sep 14

mrloverman says...

Luddite.
Luddite. mrloverman
  • Score: 10

7:11pm Thu 4 Sep 14

copierman says...

I wish they would put one outside my house..
Our BT Cabinet is 1500 meters away and we therefore only get 30 Meg's broadband speed out of a possible 80 Meg's. With the proposed cabinet outside this persons house he will get the fastest speed going which at present is 80meg because there will be no line loss due to distance from the fibre distribution cabinet. Envy,envy.
I wish they would put one outside my house.. Our BT Cabinet is 1500 meters away and we therefore only get 30 Meg's broadband speed out of a possible 80 Meg's. With the proposed cabinet outside this persons house he will get the fastest speed going which at present is 80meg because there will be no line loss due to distance from the fibre distribution cabinet. Envy,envy. copierman
  • Score: 42

9:51am Fri 5 Sep 14

komic1 says...

copierman wrote:
I wish they would put one outside my house..
Our BT Cabinet is 1500 meters away and we therefore only get 30 Meg's broadband speed out of a possible 80 Meg's. With the proposed cabinet outside this persons house he will get the fastest speed going which at present is 80meg because there will be no line loss due to distance from the fibre distribution cabinet. Envy,envy.
Not true. The speed is based on the distance from the exchange rather than from the cabinet. The connection will be fibre up to the cabinet but the speed he gets is dictated by the distance from the exchange that delivers the cable to the cabinet rather than his distance from the green box in the street.

Also, if Tony can't see cars behind a five foot by four foot box then he shouldn't be driving anyway.
[quote][p][bold]copierman[/bold] wrote: I wish they would put one outside my house.. Our BT Cabinet is 1500 meters away and we therefore only get 30 Meg's broadband speed out of a possible 80 Meg's. With the proposed cabinet outside this persons house he will get the fastest speed going which at present is 80meg because there will be no line loss due to distance from the fibre distribution cabinet. Envy,envy.[/p][/quote]Not true. The speed is based on the distance from the exchange rather than from the cabinet. The connection will be fibre up to the cabinet but the speed he gets is dictated by the distance from the exchange that delivers the cable to the cabinet rather than his distance from the green box in the street. Also, if Tony can't see cars behind a five foot by four foot box then he shouldn't be driving anyway. komic1
  • Score: 8

11:40am Fri 5 Sep 14

Andy_R says...

komic1 wrote:
copierman wrote:
I wish they would put one outside my house..
Our BT Cabinet is 1500 meters away and we therefore only get 30 Meg's broadband speed out of a possible 80 Meg's. With the proposed cabinet outside this persons house he will get the fastest speed going which at present is 80meg because there will be no line loss due to distance from the fibre distribution cabinet. Envy,envy.
Not true. The speed is based on the distance from the exchange rather than from the cabinet. The connection will be fibre up to the cabinet but the speed he gets is dictated by the distance from the exchange that delivers the cable to the cabinet rather than his distance from the green box in the street.

Also, if Tony can't see cars behind a five foot by four foot box then he shouldn't be driving anyway.
No, Copierman is right. Speed is dependent on how long the copper cable there is between your house and the fibre network, wherever the fibre network ends. This used to mean the exchange, but the whole point of these boxes is to extend the fibre network so it gets closer to houses, reducing the amount of copper cable the signal has to travel through. Before these boxes, distance to the exchange mattered. After, it's distance to the box that counts (unless you are unlucky enough to have a line that doesn't go through a box at all, but is connected direct to the exchange).
[quote][p][bold]komic1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]copierman[/bold] wrote: I wish they would put one outside my house.. Our BT Cabinet is 1500 meters away and we therefore only get 30 Meg's broadband speed out of a possible 80 Meg's. With the proposed cabinet outside this persons house he will get the fastest speed going which at present is 80meg because there will be no line loss due to distance from the fibre distribution cabinet. Envy,envy.[/p][/quote]Not true. The speed is based on the distance from the exchange rather than from the cabinet. The connection will be fibre up to the cabinet but the speed he gets is dictated by the distance from the exchange that delivers the cable to the cabinet rather than his distance from the green box in the street. Also, if Tony can't see cars behind a five foot by four foot box then he shouldn't be driving anyway.[/p][/quote]No, Copierman is right. Speed is dependent on how long the copper cable there is between your house and the fibre network, wherever the fibre network ends. This used to mean the exchange, but the whole point of these boxes is to extend the fibre network so it gets closer to houses, reducing the amount of copper cable the signal has to travel through. Before these boxes, distance to the exchange mattered. After, it's distance to the box that counts (unless you are unlucky enough to have a line that doesn't go through a box at all, but is connected direct to the exchange). Andy_R
  • Score: 11

12:30pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Mobey says...

Nimby.
Nimby. Mobey
  • Score: 4

12:52pm Fri 5 Sep 14

MJI says...

He should count himself lucky, and it is distance from home to cabinet as the final section is wire.
He should count himself lucky, and it is distance from home to cabinet as the final section is wire. MJI
  • Score: 5

1:44pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Genepaulkev says...

Cars travelling at 62 mph in a 30 limit, surely that's more worthy of a moan rather than using it as the reason not to put the box there?
Cars travelling at 62 mph in a 30 limit, surely that's more worthy of a moan rather than using it as the reason not to put the box there? Genepaulkev
  • Score: 9

2:18pm Fri 5 Sep 14

copierman says...

komic1 wrote:
copierman wrote:
I wish they would put one outside my house..
Our BT Cabinet is 1500 meters away and we therefore only get 30 Meg's broadband speed out of a possible 80 Meg's. With the proposed cabinet outside this persons house he will get the fastest speed going which at present is 80meg because there will be no line loss due to distance from the fibre distribution cabinet. Envy,envy.
Not true. The speed is based on the distance from the exchange rather than from the cabinet. The connection will be fibre up to the cabinet but the speed he gets is dictated by the distance from the exchange that delivers the cable to the cabinet rather than his distance from the green box in the street.

Also, if Tony can't see cars behind a five foot by four foot box then he shouldn't be driving anyway.
It is true, try google or Wikipedia or some other search engine and you will see for yourself. I hope YOU don't work for BT quoting such ill informed dribble.
BROADBAND SPEED at your premises is determined by the copper wire length (distance) from the fibre distribution box not the telephone exchange!
[quote][p][bold]komic1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]copierman[/bold] wrote: I wish they would put one outside my house.. Our BT Cabinet is 1500 meters away and we therefore only get 30 Meg's broadband speed out of a possible 80 Meg's. With the proposed cabinet outside this persons house he will get the fastest speed going which at present is 80meg because there will be no line loss due to distance from the fibre distribution cabinet. Envy,envy.[/p][/quote]Not true. The speed is based on the distance from the exchange rather than from the cabinet. The connection will be fibre up to the cabinet but the speed he gets is dictated by the distance from the exchange that delivers the cable to the cabinet rather than his distance from the green box in the street. Also, if Tony can't see cars behind a five foot by four foot box then he shouldn't be driving anyway.[/p][/quote]It is true, try google or Wikipedia or some other search engine and you will see for yourself. I hope YOU don't work for BT quoting such ill informed dribble. BROADBAND SPEED at your premises is determined by the copper wire length (distance) from the fibre distribution box not the telephone exchange! copierman
  • Score: 1

2:57pm Fri 5 Sep 14

redtail says...

surely people should be looking where the are going not at green cabinets ....he he spoke nicely to bt openreach maybe they could give him some paint that match'es the cabinets to paint the white fence in back ground
surely people should be looking where the are going not at green cabinets ....he he spoke nicely to bt openreach maybe they could give him some paint that match'es the cabinets to paint the white fence in back ground redtail
  • Score: 4

3:32pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Perfman says...

Right next to the Cab - full speed Infinity - result and his houise price will no doubt increase a little due to the speed available. Stop moaning!
Right next to the Cab - full speed Infinity - result and his houise price will no doubt increase a little due to the speed available. Stop moaning! Perfman
  • Score: 6

4:16pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Tobster says...

Well I see Mr NIMBY seems to have complained about my previous post, so allow me to tone it down a bit:

I think the cabinet should be moved elsewhere, but Mr NIMBY shouldn't be allowed to subscribe to the services.

Additionally, whilst it's completely unacceptable for people to be doing 62MPH through that villiage; maybe if the pointless (and heavily enforced with vans) 50MPH limit didn't exist just down the road, people would take sensible 30MPH ones more seriously. Whilst this in no way justifies 62MPH through a villiage; I think a lot of motorists' behaviour stems from the amount of contempt they're shown by the authorities.
Well I see Mr NIMBY seems to have complained about my previous post, so allow me to tone it down a bit: I think the cabinet should be moved elsewhere, but Mr NIMBY shouldn't be allowed to subscribe to the services. Additionally, whilst it's completely unacceptable for people to be doing 62MPH through that villiage; maybe if the pointless (and heavily enforced with vans) 50MPH limit didn't exist just down the road, people would take sensible 30MPH ones more seriously. Whilst this in no way justifies 62MPH through a villiage; I think a lot of motorists' behaviour stems from the amount of contempt they're shown by the authorities. Tobster
  • Score: -5

4:24pm Fri 5 Sep 14

drbeat says...

komic1 wrote:
copierman wrote:
I wish they would put one outside my house..
Our BT Cabinet is 1500 meters away and we therefore only get 30 Meg's broadband speed out of a possible 80 Meg's. With the proposed cabinet outside this persons house he will get the fastest speed going which at present is 80meg because there will be no line loss due to distance from the fibre distribution cabinet. Envy,envy.
Not true. The speed is based on the distance from the exchange rather than from the cabinet. The connection will be fibre up to the cabinet but the speed he gets is dictated by the distance from the exchange that delivers the cable to the cabinet rather than his distance from the green box in the street.

Also, if Tony can't see cars behind a five foot by four foot box then he shouldn't be driving anyway.
Err...it is true. The Infinity cabinets have the DSLAM within rather than the signal going all the way to the DSLAM in the Exchange. Those who use normal ADSL will connect to the regular small cabinet and onto the DSLAM in the Exchange, hence why speeds of up to 18mbits downstream are the highest one can get due to the distances involved between the home, the cabinet and the exchange. Infinity cuts out that distance so the signal is processed in the Infinity Cab meaning distance to the Exchange is not a problem.

The technology behind BT Infinity, is literally a larger green cabinet which contains a DSLAM. The closer you are to the cabinet the closer to 80mbit downstream (in most cases) you'll get speeds of up to 80mbit downstream.

However, the 'fibre' bit is a bit of false advertising. BT laid fibre years ago from the normal green cabs to the exchanges and the termination into the homes is regular copper twisted pair. Yes, Fibre To The Premisis is on it's way, but it'll be hugely expensive.

We've always had Fibre To The Cabinet, it's not new. What is new is putting the DSLAMs on the street.

I suspect BT are only responding to Virgin Media's claims of 'Fibre'. Again, Virgin Media/Telewest green cabs have always been Fibre to the network, but they are plain old Coax cable to the homes. For the distances involved from green cab to the home, Coax and Twisted pair performs pretty well.

True fibre to the premises is 'Leased Line' technology...quite pricey.
[quote][p][bold]komic1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]copierman[/bold] wrote: I wish they would put one outside my house.. Our BT Cabinet is 1500 meters away and we therefore only get 30 Meg's broadband speed out of a possible 80 Meg's. With the proposed cabinet outside this persons house he will get the fastest speed going which at present is 80meg because there will be no line loss due to distance from the fibre distribution cabinet. Envy,envy.[/p][/quote]Not true. The speed is based on the distance from the exchange rather than from the cabinet. The connection will be fibre up to the cabinet but the speed he gets is dictated by the distance from the exchange that delivers the cable to the cabinet rather than his distance from the green box in the street. Also, if Tony can't see cars behind a five foot by four foot box then he shouldn't be driving anyway.[/p][/quote]Err...it is true. The Infinity cabinets have the DSLAM within rather than the signal going all the way to the DSLAM in the Exchange. Those who use normal ADSL will connect to the regular small cabinet and onto the DSLAM in the Exchange, hence why speeds of up to 18mbits downstream are the highest one can get due to the distances involved between the home, the cabinet and the exchange. Infinity cuts out that distance so the signal is processed in the Infinity Cab meaning distance to the Exchange is not a problem. The technology behind BT Infinity, is literally a larger green cabinet which contains a DSLAM. The closer you are to the cabinet the closer to 80mbit downstream (in most cases) you'll get speeds of up to 80mbit downstream. However, the 'fibre' bit is a bit of false advertising. BT laid fibre years ago from the normal green cabs to the exchanges and the termination into the homes is regular copper twisted pair. Yes, Fibre To The Premisis is on it's way, but it'll be hugely expensive. We've always had Fibre To The Cabinet, it's not new. What is new is putting the DSLAMs on the street. I suspect BT are only responding to Virgin Media's claims of 'Fibre'. Again, Virgin Media/Telewest green cabs have always been Fibre to the network, but they are plain old Coax cable to the homes. For the distances involved from green cab to the home, Coax and Twisted pair performs pretty well. True fibre to the premises is 'Leased Line' technology...quite pricey. drbeat
  • Score: 6

4:28pm Fri 5 Sep 14

SgtAl says...

Maybe the solution would be to offset the box from the road right against the property? Or the home of someone living in social housing, that would be more fitting of a public infrastructure project.

An Englishman's home is his castle after all.
Maybe the solution would be to offset the box from the road right against the property? Or the home of someone living in social housing, that would be more fitting of a public infrastructure project. An Englishman's home is his castle after all. SgtAl
  • Score: -6

5:19pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Perfman says...

SgtAl wrote:
Maybe the solution would be to offset the box from the road right against the property? Or the home of someone living in social housing, that would be more fitting of a public infrastructure project.

An Englishman's home is his castle after all.
Maybe they should stick one in your living room for a laugh!
[quote][p][bold]SgtAl[/bold] wrote: Maybe the solution would be to offset the box from the road right against the property? Or the home of someone living in social housing, that would be more fitting of a public infrastructure project. An Englishman's home is his castle after all.[/p][/quote]Maybe they should stick one in your living room for a laugh! Perfman
  • Score: 5

10:04pm Fri 5 Sep 14

speak your mind says...

Bike boy wrote:
Some people must have nothing to do but moan . I'm expect they've been moaning they haven't got super fast broadband and now it's coming they're now moaning about the equipment. I'd say his issue is because it's outside his house and nothing to do with the road safety.....
How many of the "moaners" will be or are using superfast broadband. It's called progress. What a bunch of hypocrites!
[quote][p][bold]Bike boy[/bold] wrote: Some people must have nothing to do but moan . I'm expect they've been moaning they haven't got super fast broadband and now it's coming they're now moaning about the equipment. I'd say his issue is because it's outside his house and nothing to do with the road safety.....[/p][/quote]How many of the "moaners" will be or are using superfast broadband. It's called progress. What a bunch of hypocrites! speak your mind
  • Score: 2

2:21pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Jabbadad says...

What a SNOB SgtAl ( I really wanted to say tosser but they might not allow that) I live in Social housing, I pay all my bills on time, mostly ahead, I pay Full Rent, Full C /Tax, Full Heating, Full water, I fully own my own car, In fact I owe no-one. And look after my rented home as my castle. Plus we older people were working for 40+ hours per week and many as me for 7 days a week.
And of course it would not be fitting for the same reasons you give to put Broadband cabinets against Social Housing since many who live in social housing under this governments Slash & Burn policies for older peoples services can't afford to Eat & Heat never mind have computers.
What a SNOB SgtAl ( I really wanted to say tosser but they might not allow that) I live in Social housing, I pay all my bills on time, mostly ahead, I pay Full Rent, Full C /Tax, Full Heating, Full water, I fully own my own car, In fact I owe no-one. And look after my rented home as my castle. Plus we older people were working for 40+ hours per week and many as me for 7 days a week. And of course it would not be fitting for the same reasons you give to put Broadband cabinets against Social Housing since many who live in social housing under this governments Slash & Burn policies for older peoples services can't afford to Eat & Heat never mind have computers. Jabbadad
  • Score: 3

3:37pm Sat 6 Sep 14

SgtAl says...

Jabbadad, you have obviously missed the sarcasm and irony in my comment, which I admit is difficult to translate using the Internet (maybe the new box using faster speeds would make this easier?).

I fully agree with your points and for your SA I spent my entire youth growing up in social housing and fully understand the difficulties a great many in this country are currently facing.

Apologies for any offence caused.
Jabbadad, you have obviously missed the sarcasm and irony in my comment, which I admit is difficult to translate using the Internet (maybe the new box using faster speeds would make this easier?). I fully agree with your points and for your SA I spent my entire youth growing up in social housing and fully understand the difficulties a great many in this country are currently facing. Apologies for any offence caused. SgtAl
  • Score: 2

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