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Fingerprints for city school pupils


A WORCESTER school is planning to fingerprint all its pupils.

Nunnery Wood High School is looking to trial a system using pupils’ thumbprints to improve signing in and out, and ultimately create a cashless canteen.

The pupils would scan their thumbs across a machine kept at reception if they needed to enter or leave school outside of normal registration times.

Eventually, similar technology would be used in the canteen to record what each child has bought, with the cost deducted from an account topped up by parents.

The thumbprints would not be stored because the image would be immediately converted into a unique string of digits.

The school insists the system is 100 per cent safe.

However, Angie Wilkes, whose 16-year-old son Alexander is a pupil at the school, said she was unhappy with the plans.

“As someone who has taken great interest in the uses and abuses of biometric data in the past, I find the plan unacceptable, even nonsensical,” she said.

Mrs Wilkes, of Hornsby Avenue, Warndon Villages, said she had carried out online research into the safety of biometric data and was disturbed by how easy it was to hack into such systems and the number of times such data is lost by official organisations.

“Biometric data, when included on UK passports, was hacked within two weeks by Lukas Grunwald, a consultant with a German security company, using a piece of software costing £105,” she said.

The school was due to start collecting data from those in years seven, nine and 11 on Monday. However, this has now been delayed to allow for further consultation with parents.

Headteacher Alun Williams said the school had taken advice from government agency Becta, and had carried out rigorous research.

“The thumbprints are converted into a string of digits, which can never be used to then recreate that thumbprint,” he said. “The numbers would be completely useless to a hacker and could never be used to identify a pupil.”

He said that the system was already in place in some schools in the north of the county.

“I want to stress that this is only a trial at the moment,” he said. “It is likely to be about 12 months before anything is properly up and running and we will do plenty of consulting with parents in that time. Of course, we will fully respect the wishes of any parent who does not wish for their child to be involved.”

Mr Williams said that all details would be wiped once a pupil leaves the school.

Councillor Liz Eyre, Worcestershire County Council’s cabinet member for children and young people, said: “It’s right that schools investigate the merits of using new technologies to manage themselves, and that if biometrics help with security and attendance in the first instance, then more power to them.”

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Comments(18)

Logik says...
8:15am Sat 4 Oct 08

Any old excuse to collect personal data. Advice from a government agency - what a surprise.

pudniw_gib says...
9:30am Sat 4 Oct 08

I would not allow my children to join this stupid nosey scheme. Yet another privacy invasion.
Bet the data gets into the wrong hands,,,what ever they say.......
No doubt this system will find its way into other services such as bus transport, pensioners will not have to take their pass with them just scan their thumb etc etc,,, so then the government will know exactly who went where and at what time.
How terribly Orwellian .

evadbur says...
10:44am Sat 4 Oct 08

I too have carried out online research into biometric data and there are a number of points I’d like to raise about this story.
1.The data collected from the thumbprint scanning is no more likely to be hacked than the data already stored about each pupil.
2.A number of organisations have been in the news recently concerning data they have lost. In all the cases I remember, this data was being transported either on CD, USB drive or on a laptop, rather than remaining on the secure server within the organisation.
3.Using this system fingerprints are not stored. As it clearly says in the story, a number is created. This number cannot be used to recreate the fingerprint and may be a different number to that which would be created by another organisation using the same system. If a number was created by taking each letter in your name’s position in the alphabet (like in numerology!) then adding them all together, there is no way that number could then be used to recreate your name – try it.

jb says...
11:36am Sat 4 Oct 08

As with the previous comment, the schools already have all pupils personal data on computer anyway, so where is the problem? Numerous agencies probably have personal data stores about the pupils so why all the fuss about a thumbprint. It's just another form of identification. I am not an expert, far from it, but being closed minded to new schems without even a trial run seems such a waste.

skysthelimit says...
12:10pm Sat 4 Oct 08

Some people become very twitchy when the word biometrics is used. Your biometrics are captured almost daily via CCTV images. Face recognition would be more of a concern as this can be done without any physical contact to a device in the first place.

Also if someone really wanted to get your finger print, they'd just lift it off a glass or something similar wouldn't they - Perhaps we all need to wear gloves!!!

The loss of data has been highlighted recently by organisations who have been careless with the transport of data. Surely the school is only going to use this internally anyway and it looks like they are ahead of the game to ensure safety and security of their kids. I agree with the person above, if someone were to hack the system, they'd need alot more information than just a few digits.

richardharris says...
1:00pm Sat 4 Oct 08

Another Worcester school has already implemented fingerprint recognition into their library as a way for the pupils to book out their books. The school implemented this roughly 12 months ago without consulting parents as according to Becta, "There is nothing explicit in the Data Protection Act to require schools to seek the consent of parents before implementing a biometric technology system", so the fact that this school has, looks like they're going about it the right way and wants their parents to be onboard and aware.

Anything that improves the safety of the pupils is definately a positive in my view.

DarrenM says...
1:49pm Sat 4 Oct 08

This crazy system should be banned from public places.

evadbur says...
3:07pm Sat 4 Oct 08

That's a well thought out argument Darren

Forthright says...
3:27pm Sat 4 Oct 08

But why is this necessary?Surely the equipment can`t be inexpensive?
Also, what is so problematical about tendering and collecting small amounts of cash just as thousands of small shops are doing every day across the land?

pudniw_gib says...
4:19pm Sat 4 Oct 08

Just getting us used to complete surveillance Forthright..
Get the kids used to it at a young age and they wont argue about the id card in the future.
There are so many people who get a bad feeling about id cards and being watched that it must be challenged at every step.

evadbur says...
5:10pm Sat 4 Oct 08

It's easier and safer than carrying cash.
The equipment isn't that expensive.

Logik says...
5:19pm Sat 4 Oct 08

pudniw_gib wrote:
Just getting us used to complete surveillance Forthright..
Get the kids used to it at a young age and they wont argue about the id card in the future.
There are so many people who get a bad feeling about id cards and being watched that it must be challenged at every step.
That's exactly the way I see it as well.


Forthright says...
11:50pm Sat 4 Oct 08

evadbur wrote:
It's easier and safer than carrying cash. The equipment isn't that expensive.
SAFER! Is that what this is really about? Children are not safe in our society with a couple of quid in their pockets now?
And how inexpensive is inexpensive Evadbur? After all....you seem to know a lot about this subject!

evadbur says...
11:59pm Sat 4 Oct 08

Cheaper than a PC.

Why do you carry a debit card round rather than cash?

I do try to find things out about a subject before I form an opinion.

Forthright says...
9:56am Sun 5 Oct 08

Fine....good for you Evadbur...but administering that system will surely be expensive if you have bill people electronically....an
d can all parents be billed that way?
I suspect that there`s more to this and that it`s about people being robbed of their dinner money and also about ensuring we don`t find out who is not paying their way.

Brian Gladman says...
9:15am Mon 6 Oct 08

There are many issues in the use of fingerprinting in schools. This site may be of interest to parents who are conncerned about these developments:

http://www.leavethem
kidsalone.com/

evadbur says...
1:04pm Mon 6 Oct 08

That's the beauty of the Internet. Anyone can post anything.

Anyone heard of the tree octopus?

Brian Gladman says...
2:17pm Mon 6 Oct 08

evadbur:
"That's the beauty of the Internet. Anyone can post anything."

And, fortunately, many experts do so we don't need to listen to government and supplier information alone in judging these systems.

The site I gave gives references to studies of these systems conducted by independent academic experts so people can check the original research if they are concerned about the accuracy of what is said.


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