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Family of six say they don’t have space to collect all household rubbish

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A WORCESTER dad says it is not fair his family of six should have the same size wheelie bin as smaller households.

Doug Shipsey struggles to fit his household’s waste into his regulation black bin each fortnight.

He says his wife, Carole – a midwife, step-daughters Rachael Everton, aged 24, and Nicola Everton, 22, and children Thomas, 17, and Bethany, 14 – are all avid recyclers but the bin they have is the same size as their neighbour, who lives alone.

The family has a 240-litre bin for its household waste – which is the largest available. They have been offered a larger green bin, but claim the limited recycling service offered by Worcester City Council means that most of their waste is not suitable for kerbside recycling.

Mr Shipsey said: “We recycle everything we can but there’s so much that we can’t put in the recycling bin.

“Two of my older girls cannot afford to fly the nest so we have got all their waste, too.

“Usually they would have their own flat with their own bin, but because of the credit crunch they cannot move.”

Worcester City Council says it is actively working to limit the amount of rubbish going to landfill.

Mike Harrison, the council’s head of cleaner and greener, has now advised the Shipsey family about how they can further red-uce the amount of waste they produce by methods such as composting.

But Mr Shipsey, a company director, of Cover Green, Warndon Villages, says he pays a high level of council tax, due to the size of his house, and he therefore believes they should receive a bin appropriate to the size of the family.

Mr Harrison pointed out that the council will be extending its recycling service from January, to include plastics and thick cardboard, once a new sorting plant opens at Norton, near Worcester.

He said: “The council has agreed guidelines that put pressure on the amount of residual waste that will be collected and one of the rules does include when we will provide more capacity based on family sizes and make-up of the family.

“It is a vital element of the new arrangements that people do recycle – otherwise the black bin will not be sufficient to meet their needs.”

Excess waste can be taken to a household refuse site but Mr Harrison advised people against this.

He said: “We have really got to concentrate on avoiding these excess bags.

“It is a balance between maximising what facilities we provide for recycling and educating everyone how they can avoid generating waste in the first place.”

For advice about reducing household waste – including information about using compost bins and incinerators – visit worcester.gov.uk or telephone 01905 722233.

Comments(13)

jb says...
12:43pm Tue 27 Oct 09

Excess waste can be taken to a household refuse site but Mr Harrison advised people against this.

I have to regularly take the excess bags of household waste to the tip, I can't leave it outside as the animals get into it. Surely that is what the landfill is there for so how come Mr Harrison recommends against doing this? What other option is there is the excess rubbish is not in anyway recyclable? We can't leave it by the black bins as it won't get taken - come on Mr Harrison you can't have it both ways. Maybe this family could ask for a second black bin for their property, I know other families who have been allowed two bins.

Newsonme says...
12:44pm Tue 27 Oct 09

or perhaps another way to look at it is to ask why your avid recycling neighbour who lives alone should have to pay the same as you to have his bin emptied?

You have a bigger family than most of us so yes give you a bigger bin but also add a supplement to your council tax bill so that you bear the cost of the extra recycling rather than the person that lives next to you or the family of four or less with their council tax. Sound fair?






WorcsPhil says...
1:00pm Tue 27 Oct 09

If they had a bigger bin, they'd only suffer what I and my neighbours do. Others with overflow from their bins will simply dump their waste in their neighbour's conveniently larger bin.

I wonder how many other Worcester citizens suffer from this form of fly-tipping.

Residents here got an officious letter from a council jobsworth threatening us with severe fines for overfilling our bins. They are TOTALLY oblivious to the fact that others are driving up our lane and dumping their waste in our bin.

So much for innocent till proven guilty. Such concepts of British justice are totally alien to the City Council'c clueless bureaucrats.

Vigornian says...
1:45pm Tue 27 Oct 09

A bigger bin will only result in more rubbish. If you've got it you will use it. If anything bins should be smaller to encourage people to consider there rubbish more.

Just because you may pay more in council tax doesn't mean you are entitled to a larger bin. I pay the same council tax as a family of 6 in a similar size house. Should I therefore ask for a refund for not throwing as much out? Where would this end? I have no children of school age so should I get some back for that; street lighting isn't necessary where I live, and I don't make use of the library. If anything, if you require an extra bin then you should pay for it (in the same way as people pay for brown bins for garden waste).

I keep looking at that picture and think the problem lies with the householder and what they buy. Recycling shouldn't start at the bin in the kitchen but in the supermarket. Learn to avoid buying items that are nothing but packaging. Before you leave the store, remove any unnecessary packaging.

And maybe have a word with the next door neighbour about making use of their space in the bin, in return for say taking their bin out to the path and back on collection day

Maggie Would says...
2:07pm Tue 27 Oct 09

Vigornian, I agree. We try to do as much shopping as we can locally - at farm shops, butchers etc and minimise the stuff that we but from supermarkets. This is mostly because we prefer to support local businesses and also believe that the food is better quality, but a side effect of this is that we rarely more than half fill our black bin (or green bin, come to that) and there are 4 of us.

MrStJohns says...
2:16pm Tue 27 Oct 09

Not sure what peoples bin obsession is at the moment or the propensity to write the paper about it either. But as Maggie would has mentioned, super markets over package items and create massive amounts of waste. So we also shop at local shops, due to wanting to support them and also because the packaging from them is next to nothing, we have a large recycling bin, a smaller capacity black bin admittedly there is only two of us but maybe I should write to the paper and as others have suggested ask for a refund as I don’t create as much refuse? In reality there are approximately a hundred thousand people within Worcester that all manage with the current bin arrangement surely Mr Shipsey can do the same, or have we turned into a nation of people that have to throw our arms in the air and complain at the slightest thing, instead of being practical and over coming the problem.

JBLM2008 says...
2:23pm Tue 27 Oct 09

Before i got my own place there were 7 of us living at my parents and we didn't need a bigger bin as we were of an age that we knew what could be recycled/composted etc and my youngest brother who is 9 even got the jist of it so it can be done, yes local stores do use less packaging however if money is an issue as this can be then supermarkets are getting better and if you as the shopper bare this in mind you can also reduce the waste you gather from supermarket bought foods also.

brooksider says...
6:15pm Tue 27 Oct 09

Maybe Derek Prodger could sent one of his experts out to talk to the family and advise where they could reduce the impact they are making to the planet.

Brian Hunt says...
12:15am Wed 28 Oct 09

This debate makes me recall the Poll Tax, although it was totally uncollectable the principal of Poll Tax as with the general principal of life is that if you use it you should pay for it.
I ask if this large family went into a pizza parlour and ordered the listed family pizza meal would they expect a larger family meal for the same money.
And I agree that this family of grown ups who generate so much waste should be required to pay additional taxes. Just like we who are on water meters pay for as much as we use, no more, no less, and if the Shipsey family are not on a water meter then they are getting away with it big time.

martduke says...
9:41am Wed 28 Oct 09

i cannot believe all those bags contain no additional recyclable waste?i know that excess packaging creates problems but like comments b4 don,t buy overpackaged goods.you can,t convince me either that all bags are checked b4 going out from younger members of family from my experience just chucking anything.i have a partner with 4 kids who bin always first and recycling is an after thought even though its drummed inot them.thats the way society has gone.

robe.rtm.29 says...
10:21am Wed 28 Oct 09

when the problem of houshold waste comes up people who shop at supermarkets but there shopping is packed in all sorts of
unnesessary cardboard and plastic to make it look appetising when they are finished take it back to the supermarket and dump it in there waste bins problem solved
ry

Brian Hunt says...
9:49pm Wed 28 Oct 09

Great idea robe.rtm29

martduke says...
9:26am Thu 29 Oct 09

nice comment robe.rtm29!i work for a major retail store and the amount of recyclable waste that just gets thrown is unreal considering they sell goods that are as they quote"we are commited to the environment and recyclable waste"have raised it with those above but no one seems to listen

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