Revealed: County's drunken children - ballot

WORRY: 1,500 11-15 year-olds across Worcestershire drink dangerous amounts of alcohol. WORRY: 1,500 11-15 year-olds across Worcestershire drink dangerous amounts of alcohol.

ABOUT 1,500 11-15 year-olds across Worcestershire drink dangerous amounts of alcohol, according to new figures.

Most of them are getting it from their parents’ homes, leading to claims that people are “killing off the next generation”.

The figures are contained in a county council report saying binge drinking is “an escalating and serious concern”.

Health services in the county have recorded data suggesting 1,500 children aged 11 or over drank more than 15 units of booze weekly over the last year.

That would equate to at least eight pints of a typical beer.

Peter Pinfield, who sits on the county’s health and well-being board, said: “It’s very, very worrying. To have 1,500 young people drinking like this is simply unacceptable, and it’s part of a culture all of us have a responsibility to solve.

“We’re at risk of killing off the next generation. We must realise the impact this has on the health of young people. When it comes to the selling of alcohol we’ve got to look at the pricing of it and the advertising messages out there and spread the word that it’s not cool to drink.

“I feel very uneasy about it. Unless we do something brave, the whole of society will pay the consequences.”

The figures, which are estimates based on the number of children accessing health services with drinking problems, were revealed at a board meeting.

Comparable data is hard to come by due to the Government changing the guidelines on recommended drinking limits for adults in recent years.

Council chiefs said the figure for children was estimated to be 2,000 in 2006, suggesting a short-term fall in numbers, but they said “those who do drink, drink more”.

The report before the board meeting also labelled it “an escalating problem” going back as far as the 1960s, with “significant” rises since that time.

About a quarter of parents in the county are believed to have given alcohol to their children, and latest data released suggests 16,000 adult residents are dependent on drink.

There are also thought to be 100,000 adults in Worcestershire who are drinking “harmful” levels of alcohol.

The board, which met last week, has agreed to endorse a new alcohol plan for the county, due to be published in January. It will outline the next steps the NHS and county council can take in aiming to reduce binge drinking and alcoholism.

Part of the planning for it will involve asking pub owners around Worcestershire for their views.

Councillor Marcus Hart, the county’s cabinet member for health, said: “They need to have input into this too as I’d imagine pubs can contribute a lot.”

Comments(19)

Stevie-P says...
10:45am Mon 16 Jul 12

The drink Companies & Supermarkets are a lot to blame here with their glamour campaigns always and then right at the end of their adverts in tiny writing with there "Drink responsible". Three things come to mind here.

1. Put the drinking law up to 21.
2. Stop supermarkets selling booze at cost or below cost price and in such quantities.
2. If anybody needs treatment for anything alcohol related in hospitals, send them an itemised bill for the full treatment they receive no if's and buts.

But of course none of this will ever happen it's too easy a solution and Big business and the Government would never think or allow that to happen as long as the Drinks Companies make money and the Government get their tax revenues coming in from the huge uptake of kids drinking!!

worcswolf says...
11:19am Mon 16 Jul 12

It's so easy to blame this blame that when the true blame lies at the door of parents who do not educate the children. Do we blame supermarkets for obese children for selling sweets to cheaply. Prohibition would not solve this problem but learning to drink socially will. As parents we must teach our children to drink socially and set good examples, to easy to blame cheap alcohol cigarettes are nearly £7 a packet yet I see children under 16 smoking. I know from talking to my daughter that like in my day children were accessing alcohol and drinking on a Saturday night but only several out of hundred children. This is just the usual few testing weak boundaries that are in place from liberal parents that were the same in the 50s 60s etc. parents need to be educating their children on subjects that might not be easy to talk about. Time for parents to take responsibility for their child's actions good or bad.

MakeUthink says...
11:31am Mon 16 Jul 12

Worcwolf, Steve-P I agree with both your sentiments. I don't like the article statement “We’re at risk of killing off the next generation. We must realise the impact this has on the health of young people." It's a very big 'we.' I am responsible for MY children, not the rest of Worcestershire's population og youngsters.

Vox populi says...
12:42pm Mon 16 Jul 12

Of course lets just ban it because that works doesn't it....

It is a parents responsibility to teach a child about drinking responsibily...

This has been around for years, its just a publicised issue now.

ushmush83 says...
2:14pm Mon 16 Jul 12

Stevie-P wrote:
The drink Companies & Supermarkets are a lot to blame here with their glamour campaigns always and then right at the end of their adverts in tiny writing with there "Drink responsible". Three things come to mind here.

1. Put the drinking law up to 21.
2. Stop supermarkets selling booze at cost or below cost price and in such quantities.
2. If anybody needs treatment for anything alcohol related in hospitals, send them an itemised bill for the full treatment they receive no if's and buts.

But of course none of this will ever happen it's too easy a solution and Big business and the Government would never think or allow that to happen as long as the Drinks Companies make money and the Government get their tax revenues coming in from the huge uptake of kids drinking!!
So what then happens when someone comes in with a drink related illness or injury and cannot afford to pay?

RONNIE2OFFICIAL says...
3:55pm Mon 16 Jul 12

You are all thinking of this the wrong way. Yes 1,500,.. but thats out of a large majority of children, and most of them are kind, nice and lovable.. and this article is painting the wrong picture. Its saying that parents give children alchol is totally wrong... From a 13 year old's point of veiw i know that most parents will NOT give children vodka, they will steal it instead.
I am seriously angry with this article and even if you do ban drink, or put the age limit up, it won't stop them. theage limit is high enough, they are educucated enough to know its not right, and they are already breaking the law. There's nothing we can do other than tell them off!

MJI says...
5:52pm Mon 16 Jul 12

Stop demonising it and teach responsible drinking.
.
Much better than banning and getting upset.

lizzyloolah says...
6:55pm Mon 16 Jul 12

Four of my five children have, in their teens, experimented with alochol, rolled in a complete mess and puked until their eyesballs nearly popped out, the same as I did aged 15. I rarely drink and they haven't become raving alocholics but they do enjoy socialising while on holiday or after a hard week at work. This reminds me of the story not that long ago that all our children were turning into fat bloaters. None of my children are fat and I struggled to remember any of my childrens friends who were overweight, managing only to recall one!

SAVA9E says...
8:29pm Mon 16 Jul 12

My view on this is that kids earn a lot more money nowadays, when i started work back in 1981 i was on a good wage, £18.50 a week, where i work now they can be earning £400 a week at 16-17, yeah i used to drink back then who didnt but no-one made such a fuss as they do now.

Doesitmakesense?? says...
10:27pm Mon 16 Jul 12

It is a parent's responsibility to know where their children are and what they are doing. My experience of certain parents, including 'middle class' families, is that they don't know what their children are doing, with whom and where. They are told they are on 'sleep overs' at their friends which meant parents are relying on other parents to enforce the 'rules'. Also as many parents live apart young people can play parents off each other. Places like Barbourne Park were notorious for young people on a Friday night to get drunk and loud and the police could do little about it. Parents rarely 'ground' their kids these days and take a liberal attitude. Children by alcohol from shops willing to take the risk knowing that it is hard to get caught as Councils don't enforce the laws relating to selling to underage young people. It's easy to say that 'I did it when I was young and I'm not an alcoholic' but you don't need to be an alcoholic to damage your long term health, many accidents, acts of violence are caused by the effects of alcohol without even looking at the direct effect on health. Also you don't need to be an alcoholic to be a binge drinker. It's down to a combination of good responsible parenting, evidence based knowledge and enforcing the law in relation to selling alcohol.

Vox populi says...
11:32pm Mon 16 Jul 12

Responsible drinking is achieved through education, their parents responsibility.

All is probably based on a survey of teenagers boasting how they drink 10 pints a night rather than actually admit they got into a state on 2 cans in the park! ;-)

joshf627 says...
11:41pm Mon 16 Jul 12

I just wanted to voice my opinion on this despite my age I feel I can have a valid view.Since records began people have been underage drinking and also people of any age abused substances alcohol in this case.Personally I don't think it's wrong to drink at a younger age when introduced as something that can be enjoyed as a irregular 'treat' and for most it would work and it does but this article suggests to me that anyone who drinks underage will become an alcoholic what you have to understand is that a lot of the people who are drinking excessively have underlining issues clamping down on drinking completely would just lead those people to abuse other substances i.e drugs, in response to a previous comment 'parents rarely ground these days' is absurd I'm still at school and I often hear of peers complaining that they have been grounded...And it has often been associated over alcohol most of my friends have a reverence with their parents when it comes to alcohol because they are very aware of it's detrimental effects it's just a thing most people do at this age I guess but the minority spoil it for the majority when it comes to safely drinking the alcohol. We shouldnt just be blaming it on adolescents either it only briefly mentions the statistics for adults drinking and I think that is more of a problem, in some way England's harsh attitude to drinking has back fired in the sense that because people are judged for drinking often they will drink occasionally and when they do they go overboard whereas this doesnt happen so much in countrys like Holland and Germany etc (forgive me for being misinformed if I am opinionated or whatever but just my views)

roguetomato says...
12:06am Tue 17 Jul 12

Who cares? Let them carry on, and they'll learn the hard way when they may encounter serious problems down the line. But I mean lets face it, it's hardly a big deal. People make their choices in life and if they wanna screw it up, let them.

lizzyloolah says...
12:41am Tue 17 Jul 12

Point well made joshf627. Being an occassional drinker is not the same as binge drinking. .

Vox populi says...
12:56pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Since when is any of this new?
Anyone who reads history books will find passages about the Great British island nation being drawn to taverns and inns on Friday and Saturday night and the impact of this... Suppose you could change the weekend or work all week!

To quote one example kids in Dublin drank Guiness for its health benefits and because it was safer than river water in the 1800's!!

Josh has a good point, other European countries who have lower age limits and a stronger family ethos don't seem to have "such bad" teenage drinking problems... which brings it back to parenting.

Still taking it out of the hands of parents and taxing it to the hilt makes a nice earner for the exchequer...

Sceptical, you betcha! While the do gooders swallow this huge percieved issue we accept high taxes for "our own and our youths protection" ignoring the fact it doesn't solve the problem and they just contribute towards the Governments earnings....

Doesitmakesense?? says...
10:53pm Tue 17 Jul 12

lizzyloolah wrote:
Point well made joshf627. Being an occassional drinker is not the same as binge drinking. .
I too didn't understand fully what binge drinking means - this website helps to explain it and the effects of drinking 'large amounts occasionally' http://www.drinkawar
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MrWXYZ says...
10:56am Fri 20 Jul 12

It never ceases to amaze me how seriously people take these 'surveys' of secondary school children.

Maybe it was just my school (which could still account for a large chunk of 1,500 people) but a lot of secondary school kids have a tendency to take the mick or exagerate on this kind of survey.

A 14yr old drinking 9 bottles of vodka a week is probably a sign of a wind up rather than a social problem. Visit the classrooms at 9am and see how many of the 30 kids are hungover and how many are awake and ready to wind someone else up

Doesitmakesense?? says...
9:00pm Sun 22 Jul 12

MrWXYZ wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how seriously people take these 'surveys' of secondary school children.

Maybe it was just my school (which could still account for a large chunk of 1,500 people) but a lot of secondary school kids have a tendency to take the mick or exagerate on this kind of survey.

A 14yr old drinking 9 bottles of vodka a week is probably a sign of a wind up rather than a social problem. Visit the classrooms at 9am and see how many of the 30 kids are hungover and how many are awake and ready to wind someone else up
'The figures, which are estimates based on the number of children accessing health services with drinking problems, were revealed at a board meeting' - the article states that the numbers are based on this and not on a 'survey' - also they tend to drink on Friday and Sat nights therefore you wouldn't necessarily notice it at school.

Fishy says...
1:52pm Mon 23 Jul 12

I am part of the "started drinking before age 10" statistic. My parents gave me a few drops of wine with Sunday lunch from the age of about 8 before going on to spirits on special occasions. They would also talk about their experiences with it.

The result of this was that I learned to drink responsibly and did not see alcohol as something forbidden to steal or experiment with. I never got even slightly drunk before age 18 and it has been a rare occurence since.

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