Who is responsible for the tax rise? (From Worcester News)

Newsonme, Worcester says...
12:41pm Mon 3 Mar 08

I think the main point is missed. Councillor Layland does sweet FA for his constitients other than a opportunistic photo shot in the paper perhaps, and doesn't even have the strength of character to excercise his vote. Abstaining from a vote as a councillor from such an important vote is disgraceful. Just so that he can say to his constitients that HE did not vote for the cuts.

Of course he did, indirectly. I agree with one thing that Frank Bright says and that is that Councillor Layland knew just what he was doing in abstaining.

I am afraid that Councillor Layland knew that by abstaining, it was a sure vote for the tory cuts.

The sad thing is that Councillor Layland does't have the guts to show his true colours in the tories pockets, because his constitients would throw him out of his ward at the first opportunity.

Independant? I'll be the judge of that.

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Newsonme, Worcester says...
12:41pm Mon 3 Mar 08

I think the main point is missed. Councillor Layland does sweet FA for his constitients other than a opportunistic photo shot in the paper perhaps, and doesn't even have the strength of character to excercise his vote. Abstaining from a vote as a councillor from such an important vote is disgraceful. Just so that he can say to his constitients that HE did not vote for the cuts.

Of course he did, indirectly. I agree with one thing that Frank Bright says and that is that Councillor Layland knew just what he was doing in abstaining.

I am afraid that Councillor Layland knew that by abstaining, it was a sure vote for the tory cuts.

The sad thing is that Councillor Layland does't have the guts to show his true colours in the tories pockets, because his constitients would throw him out of his ward at the first opportunity.

Independant? I'll be the judge of that.

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Logik, worcester says...
1:52pm Mon 3 Mar 08

Newsonme - quite a tirade of misinformation that we have come to expect from Nu-Labour and their misguided supporters. Do you live in the Nunnery Ward Newsonme? Your points are invalid and made only made for pure political gain.

I don't suppose that this has anything in the slightest to do that Mr Layland is up for re-election this year does it?

Mr Layland is my local councillor and I can confirm that he works very hard for his constituents.

... and before you shoot off at the mouth , perhaps you might like to find out just what the actual vote he abstained on was, as I think you'll find that it is not as your Nu-Labour colleagues are perpetuating, that's what I did.

Whilst we are on about abstaining:-

How about Pat Agar's (Nu-Labour) recent abstention on a vote that affects those in her Nunnery Ward directly.

How about the whole County Council Labour group abstaining on the council tax vote at County Hall.

Care to criticise your now your own Nu-Labour clan would you.

Nu_Labour, grubby liars, cheaters and masters of the smoke and mirrors.

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Logik, worcester says...
1:52pm Mon 3 Mar 08

Newsonme - quite a tirade of misinformation that we have come to expect from Nu-Labour and their misguided supporters. Do you live in the Nunnery Ward Newsonme? Your points are invalid and made only made for pure political gain.

I don't suppose that this has anything in the slightest to do that Mr Layland is up for re-election this year does it?

Mr Layland is my local councillor and I can confirm that he works very hard for his constituents.

... and before you shoot off at the mouth , perhaps you might like to find out just what the actual vote he abstained on was, as I think you'll find that it is not as your Nu-Labour colleagues are perpetuating, that's what I did.

Whilst we are on about abstaining:-

How about Pat Agar's (Nu-Labour) recent abstention on a vote that affects those in her Nunnery Ward directly.

How about the whole County Council Labour group abstaining on the council tax vote at County Hall.

Care to criticise your now your own Nu-Labour clan would you.

Nu_Labour, grubby liars, cheaters and masters of the smoke and mirrors.

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Alan2, Worcester says...
2:47pm Mon 3 Mar 08

Good for you Logic, I thought that I was pretty well up to what went on at Council Meetings etc but you seem pretty well informed yourself and I bow to and believe your comments.
What I can't understand is why, when the City Council Tax went up based on last years figures, New Labour are now griping, they wanted to increase it more last year than what the Tories set it at and this year, at least two, possibly more New Labour Councillors advocated a high Council Tax in order to get a higher Government Grant (you figure out the "logic" of that, cos I can't)which would fit in with the unprincipled practice of a New Labour Government of supporting high Council Taxes.
I think it correct to say that with this years increases - forced on Local Authorities due to the Labour Government underfunding, Council Tax will have risen by the round 100% since New Labour came into office. A quite incredible record which no doubt pleases City Labour Councillors no end.
Fortunately, Councillor Layland is not into playing along with their local villainy and he is berated by New Labour because of his principle. Well done him, I say.

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Alan2, Worcester says...
2:47pm Mon 3 Mar 08

Good for you Logic, I thought that I was pretty well up to what went on at Council Meetings etc but you seem pretty well informed yourself and I bow to and believe your comments.
What I can't understand is why, when the City Council Tax went up based on last years figures, New Labour are now griping, they wanted to increase it more last year than what the Tories set it at and this year, at least two, possibly more New Labour Councillors advocated a high Council Tax in order to get a higher Government Grant (you figure out the "logic" of that, cos I can't)which would fit in with the unprincipled practice of a New Labour Government of supporting high Council Taxes.
I think it correct to say that with this years increases - forced on Local Authorities due to the Labour Government underfunding, Council Tax will have risen by the round 100% since New Labour came into office. A quite incredible record which no doubt pleases City Labour Councillors no end.
Fortunately, Councillor Layland is not into playing along with their local villainy and he is berated by New Labour because of his principle. Well done him, I say.

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Newsonme, Worcester says...
3:20pm Mon 3 Mar 08

Gosh don't you two (Alan2 and Logik) go on. I suppose I should be happy that there are at least two people reading this rubbish. I include my letters in that too. Not for their content for which I stand by but rather the forum in which they are written. No one reads it you know other than us three.

But any way of course Logik knows about the the inside of council meetings...they would know very well.

And Logik you keep on and on and on about my New Labour or as you call it Nu-Labour which is very tedious now. I think I have told you and Alan2 many times that I am not necessarily new labour, she is not 'my' Pat Agar and a personal friend of mine is one of 'your' old tory councillors (you know, when they were good and actually stood for something).

But on subject, Mike Layland does nothing. Lazy except for around an election and always votes with the tories. Not misguided at all I am afraid.

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Newsonme, Worcester says...
3:20pm Mon 3 Mar 08

Gosh don't you two (Alan2 and Logik) go on. I suppose I should be happy that there are at least two people reading this rubbish. I include my letters in that too. Not for their content for which I stand by but rather the forum in which they are written. No one reads it you know other than us three.

But any way of course Logik knows about the the inside of council meetings...they would know very well.

And Logik you keep on and on and on about my New Labour or as you call it Nu-Labour which is very tedious now. I think I have told you and Alan2 many times that I am not necessarily new labour, she is not 'my' Pat Agar and a personal friend of mine is one of 'your' old tory councillors (you know, when they were good and actually stood for something).

But on subject, Mike Layland does nothing. Lazy except for around an election and always votes with the tories. Not misguided at all I am afraid.

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Logik, worcester says...
4:28pm Mon 3 Mar 08

But on subject, Mike Layland does nothing. Lazy except for around an election and always votes with the tories. Not misguided at all I am afraid.

Typical Nu-Labour political tripe. Before you keep spouting off, get hold of the facts, although we wouldn't want to cloud the issues with facts would we, no political mileage in that.

Further, which ward are you in Newsonme?, and what is your position on Nu-Labour councillor abstentions, or shouldn't I ask.

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Logik, worcester says...
4:28pm Mon 3 Mar 08

But on subject, Mike Layland does nothing. Lazy except for around an election and always votes with the tories. Not misguided at all I am afraid.

Typical Nu-Labour political tripe. Before you keep spouting off, get hold of the facts, although we wouldn't want to cloud the issues with facts would we, no political mileage in that.

Further, which ward are you in Newsonme?, and what is your position on Nu-Labour councillor abstentions, or shouldn't I ask.

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Alan2, Worcester says...
7:31pm Mon 3 Mar 08

Newsonme, the reasonI "go on" is quite simple. New Labour never miss an opportunity to exploit any issue, no matter what the source, for their own ends, to lie over any fact as long as it suits their purpose, to denigrate any opposing individual to make their own position appear better, to decieve over any policy, their own or the opposition to make it look good or bad depending on whos'e it is, to insult the electorate with idiotic statements and to generally act like a crowd of self seeking, opportunists clouding their disgusting motives and actions under a facade of reasonablenesss and hurt indignity when they are found out.
With the forthcoming elections all these little ploys have become more pronounced and I will do my utmost to expose them for what they are.
They have now set their cap at unseating Councillor Layland because that is the way that they operate. He has no party machinery, he has no spin merchants as do Labour, he is a principled man doing his damdest to hold his own with the snakes of New Labour trying to get him out.
Significantly not one Conservative Councillor has been set against him, every critical comment has come from New Labour - that say's it all. They must have sonething to be frightened of.

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Alan2, Worcester says...
7:31pm Mon 3 Mar 08

Newsonme, the reasonI "go on" is quite simple. New Labour never miss an opportunity to exploit any issue, no matter what the source, for their own ends, to lie over any fact as long as it suits their purpose, to denigrate any opposing individual to make their own position appear better, to decieve over any policy, their own or the opposition to make it look good or bad depending on whos'e it is, to insult the electorate with idiotic statements and to generally act like a crowd of self seeking, opportunists clouding their disgusting motives and actions under a facade of reasonablenesss and hurt indignity when they are found out.
With the forthcoming elections all these little ploys have become more pronounced and I will do my utmost to expose them for what they are.
They have now set their cap at unseating Councillor Layland because that is the way that they operate. He has no party machinery, he has no spin merchants as do Labour, he is a principled man doing his damdest to hold his own with the snakes of New Labour trying to get him out.
Significantly not one Conservative Councillor has been set against him, every critical comment has come from New Labour - that say's it all. They must have sonething to be frightened of.

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Logik, worcester says...
9:21pm Mon 3 Mar 08

For those who may not know, Cllr Layland has spent the best part of about 40 years on the city council, obviously if he was as lazy and useless as Newsonme suggests, he surely would not have lasted that long.

It is also interesting to note that for 20 odd years he was a Labour councillor. Presumably he left the fold because he didn't any longer agree in what Labour stood for.

The trouble with all the main political parties is that they all want 'yes' men, you know, the sort that when they are told to jump they ask 'how high'.

Fair play to anyone who is prepared to stand out on their own for what they believe.

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Logik, worcester says...
9:21pm Mon 3 Mar 08

For those who may not know, Cllr Layland has spent the best part of about 40 years on the city council, obviously if he was as lazy and useless as Newsonme suggests, he surely would not have lasted that long.

It is also interesting to note that for 20 odd years he was a Labour councillor. Presumably he left the fold because he didn't any longer agree in what Labour stood for.

The trouble with all the main political parties is that they all want 'yes' men, you know, the sort that when they are told to jump they ask 'how high'.

Fair play to anyone who is prepared to stand out on their own for what they believe.

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Newsonme, Worcester says...
12:48pm Thu 6 Mar 08

Lazy

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Newsonme, Worcester says...
12:48pm Thu 6 Mar 08

Lazy

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Logik, worcester says...
11:35pm Thu 6 Mar 08

Newsonme, I speak as I find and Cllr Layland is one of my ward councillors. If you think he is lazy then then in comparison, the rest of the councillors must be completely comatose.

So, is he your ward councillor Newsonme, do you have personal experience, or is this just the usual political smears we have come to expect from Nu-Labour and their supporters.

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Logik, worcester says...
11:35pm Thu 6 Mar 08

Newsonme, I speak as I find and Cllr Layland is one of my ward councillors. If you think he is lazy then then in comparison, the rest of the councillors must be completely comatose.

So, is he your ward councillor Newsonme, do you have personal experience, or is this just the usual political smears we have come to expect from Nu-Labour and their supporters.

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