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Our ministers need a lesson in finance

SIR – Our Government borrowed a staggering £142 billion last year. Forgive me for asking a stupid question: Why?

Was it to pay for the military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan of which the majority of the population was against? Or to subsidise banks’ efforts in paying bonuses to the people who got us in this financial mess?

Was it to fund our welfare system? Whose generous benefit payouts have obviously become world famous, judging by the huge number of people wishing to enter this country without hope of gaining employment?

Mr Brown recently announced he would donate £1.5 billon of taxpayers’ money to emerging countries to reduce their carbon emissions. How many generations of British taxpayers will it take to repay these avoidable, obscene amounts?

An education minister recently announced that schoolchildren will be taught money management. Will the slogan be “When you’re in a financial hole, stop digging”?

Robin Smith
Worcester

Comments(27)

Energetic says...
5:11pm Mon 8 Feb 10

Surely everyone now realises that the tax take is used by Labour politicians as a fund for self-aggrandisement through the big & generous gesture. Could be a war to topple a tyrant (and kill 200,000 people) or a donation to China & India (to boost the competition which is already killing off the remains of our industry). Really nice people who cry on TV.

Cromwell of Worcester says...
5:40pm Mon 8 Feb 10

You ask "Why" Id like to know to £50 million a day pured into the EU cesspit,A war in two parts of the world .An un-elected so called Prime Minster,the mas murders (Blair's) side kick on TV crying. The half wit Bob Answorth mumbling that more of our service personnel will return in body bags. Dover being sold to the French,The mass murders wife's being put forward as a Baroness. Please tell me next month is May

helen donovan says...
7:24pm Mon 8 Feb 10

Gordon Brown has lost the plot. Not content with selling off our gold reserves, manufacturing industries, energy supplies and transport networks, he's now even trying to sell the ground we walk on!!!!! (to the FRENCH!!!!!!).

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
1249194/Dover-symbol
-British-sovereignty
-sold-French-help-re
duce-debt.html

Cromwell of Worcester says...
8:35pm Mon 8 Feb 10

Some time ago we went across and liberated the French and they haven't forgiven us for doing so. So now they are coming back across though the back door to liberate us from those nasty Yanks and Canadians, and set us free.Will then be govern for GAY Paree.We will eat frogs legs and snails and other rubbish they call Hot-Quoszin.Our woman folk can grow hairy arm pits, our armed forces can join theirs great, so come the next big conflict we wont have to fire a shot .Just surrender.

helen donovan says...
8:52pm Mon 8 Feb 10

Just think of all those assylum seekers they can ship across to Dover if they own it!

Common Sense says...
9:17pm Mon 8 Feb 10

Why else do you think they are doing it?
Clear the road!

CS.

helen donovan says...
9:19pm Mon 8 Feb 10

Poor old Nelson will be spinning in his grave..........

Cromwell of Worcester says...
10:07pm Mon 8 Feb 10

You must not at all be down cast.You have been told, time and time again by all those patriotic Politicians who govern us.who over these last thirty odd years have told and led you all into the wonders of the great EU .And how you all must now open your hearts and minds to its greatness and values it has brought to this down trodden Nation ,and how inspired we will become as the control of the EU lifts us ever up wards in a wondrous multi cultural glory that our grandchildren will be ever grateful to us for allowing it to happen.

helen donovan says...
10:10pm Mon 8 Feb 10

AAARGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!
!!!!!!!!!!!

topspin says...
11:24pm Mon 8 Feb 10

The Conservative Party tried and failed, due to the level of protest, to privatise Dover port in 1995, and they did propose to do so prior to the 2005 general election. I think you'll find that whoever wins the next election will be tempted to privatise it.
I'm not in favour of privatising the port, although not so much for the jingoistic reasons as some have mentioned, but because such an important transport link should be publicly owned.

helen donovan says...
7:47am Tue 9 Feb 10

Then we'll just have to make sure the level of protest is such that they can't get away with it this time!
I am sick to the back teeth of our manufacturing, services, gold, history and heritage being sold off to the highest foreign bidder!

Cromwell of Worcester says...
11:04am Tue 9 Feb 10

Helen I'm with you on your last comment all the way. just how much of this Nation do we own!!!.

helen donovan says...
1:33pm Tue 9 Feb 10

It wouldn't be so bad if we had at least something to show for it, but our national debt levels are horrendous!
It feels to me, that the immense effort that all the early industrial pioneers such as George Cadbury, Joseph Lucas etc, who all worked so hard to set up business etc for the people of this country and their own communities, and went through great personal hardship to do so, has all been wasted and carelessly frittered away. It makes me SOOOOO angry!
And then there's the millions of people who gave their lives fighting for for this country, for us all only now to see its hard worked for companies, resources and heritage etc all sectioned off and sold off to the highest foreign bidder!
We don't even own our own gas supplies any more for goodness sake!
What on earth would we do in the case of a national emergency?

helen donovan says...
2:49pm Tue 9 Feb 10

Now they're trying to sell the ground we walk on!!!!!

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
1249194/Dover-symbol
-British-sovereignty
-sold-French-help-re
duce-debt.html

network says...
4:33pm Tue 9 Feb 10

Roll on the REVOLUTION.One for all and all for one.

BarryB says...
5:08pm Tue 9 Feb 10

Heard only today on the 1pm BBC news. Gordon Brown has announced that our national Air/Sea Rescue Service, at present done by the RAF/Navy and HM Coastguard is to be privatised with civilian firms submitting tenders.
When they start privatising these sort of functions, the end is well and truly, nigh.
How soon will Brown privatise The Royal Artillery, Royal Marines and our nuclear deterrent.
Hands up and say "aye" those who want Helen Dovovan as the MP for Worcester, ill'e start it off, "aye".

helen donovan says...
5:17pm Tue 9 Feb 10

Hi Barry!!

I think Gordon should be put in The Tower for Treason!!

Did you see the climbdown on the Hospital Charity Donations saga?

Common Sense says...
10:54pm Tue 9 Feb 10

Q. Are there enough lampposts in Westminster, for our needs?
It has to be!

CS.

Cromwell of Worcester says...
11:57am Wed 10 Feb 10

You must all remember we "The English" Have been governed by the Scottish Mafia these past Thirteen years ,and slowly but surely they are achieving what all foreigners have wanted.The demise of this Nation, They have forgot how we "The English"bailed them out after they went broke and let them join us to start the Union. So remember come May when you vote.You "English" BarryB, Helen, Bulldog, Common Sens and the rest. Call me Dave." Cameron"is a 90% Scot . "I am not a little England-er" you have been warned.

BarryB says...
5:14pm Wed 10 Feb 10

I agree usually with everything you say Cromwell but who do I vote for if not "call me Dave". The next Government is either going to be Tory or Labour, the other parties won't get a look in. Worcester is a marginal with Foster having the better by something over 3000 votes.
There is no way I am going to waste my vote on a "no hoper" and give it Foster by default because that is what will happen.
He just needs a few to totally split the vote even further by people voting for the smaller parties and he is home and dry.
Give me 90% Scottish, call me Dave any day than 100% Labourite Foster and his mates.
If I knew UKIP had as much chance as Tory or Labour of forming a Government, they would get my vote, they cannot form a Government so they will not get my vote in this ultra critical election. We cannot risk another day of this shower.

Cromwell of Worcester says...
8:42pm Wed 10 Feb 10

I agree with two thirds of what you say. We have to get this shower out right out.Before they sell of whats left of our industries, Military, land, Even our very Nation .While allowing more and more immigrants in with their foreign laws, ways and customs to perivale.But this is where you and I part company.Lets totally ignore the Fib-Dem's they stop being a party when Joe Grimond ( A Scot)went.That leaves the Tories plus UKIP, BNP, Greens. Having lived and survived under the Tories from the end of 1945 Not counting Atlee's or Churchill's period in office, They the Tories were the first to start to sell this Nation down the Swanee with their lies Heath and company and haven't stop since . I like you and thousands of others or perhaps millions have a dilemma, and that Dilemma is who gets my vote. I can say with out doudt it will not be Foxy Foster Labour MP. But Who!!!

BarryB says...
9:41pm Wed 10 Feb 10

I well remember the Major years Cromwell. I once remarked to my boss that he had a "death wish" and I didn't intend voting for him but Blair. Major was an utter disaster, however I was treated like an outcast in the inner sanctum for saying that I wasn't voting Tory. 6 months after Blair got in I realised that had made a dire mistake and I had to eat humble pie at work Never, ever will I vote Labour again, so, as you say, "dilemma".
I console myself with the strong belief that no party can possibly be worse than Labour. So, on that basis, theoretically it doesn't matter who one votes for as long as it is not Labour. But, we are not into the theoretical game, we are into a deadly factual game, the undecided's, the make your mind ups, the protest voters and the still to be swayed are all to the benefit of Foster. 3,000+ people in Worcester need to be changed from Foster with the rest voting as they did last time. That way he loses but I personally can't see it, his opposition is pitiful but he is not going to get my vote to his advantage to make things easier for him.
In the Council elections I will vote UKIP all things being equal but in this general one, the stakes are to high to start making protests.
Young Robin will get my vote and if he or his party mess up, then next time I really will have a problem because he won't get it again.

Cromwell of Worcester says...
3:08pm Thu 11 Feb 10

Hi, Barry according to ConservativeHome Cast Iron Dave has Guaranteed when he becomes Prime Minister!!! this country will never join the EURO. In its self this has started an uprising amongst Tory faithful remembering his pledge for a referendum last time . From whats been said in the comments on hes Guarantee The the Tories are as split down the middle as much as the Labour mob

BarryB says...
9:07pm Thu 11 Feb 10

I would rather a Tory "split" than a Labour "split Cromwell. With a Tory split, one can usually guarantee a bit of jam and cream whereas with a Labour one, blood and guts is usually the order of the day.

Cromwell of Worcester says...
9:15pm Thu 11 Feb 10

True very True.

Common Sense says...
8:54am Fri 12 Feb 10

If it helps us decide - ask yourselves "who is the best Party to get us out of the EU?" - because I think that is where it all starts.

Rebuilding the nation is a separate issue entirely, but leaving the EU is the big one. I don't think they would let us leave without a big row! We finance the darned thing, in the main - but we get chuff-all out of it!

A lot of people are not as "well-informed" as us who comment here, and they think, because they are told it and they believe it, that "jobs will be lost, if we leave the EU"!

THIS IS NOT TRUE! Read my lips!

For starters, we can start trading again with the rest of the world, in our own way and with our own rules - not those Rules and Restrictions of the EU which prevent us at present.

However, the Grand Plan (of mainly the Fabians, but called the New World Order) have other ideas - and will break us, before they allow us to leave the EU and mess up their carefully laid plans. Plans which have been well over 60 years coming to fruition!

They would do everything in their considerable power, to stop us from "spoiling their nice new map" of the world! That I do know!

But, that said, do we want to leave the EU? We are a "broken nation" with a "broken society" - no manufacturing to speak of, our Armed Forces reduced to skeleton levels (and deployed, I notice, well away from these shores and unable to support us in a revolution! The new EU Gendarmerie will do that, with guns!) our government is a shambles, with our Laws now coming from another nation entirely!

"Can no one rid me of this turbulant Prime Minister?"

CS.

BarryB says...
4:42pm Fri 12 Feb 10

CS, I am as utterly opposed to the EU as anyone in this country - bar none, however, my feet are entombed in concrete well and truly on the ground. We all know the agenda of UKIP, that is the only party that will get us out of the EU. The snag is, they are not going to be elected, ever, as things stand or in the foreseeable future.
I have harped on long enough about voting in the General Election and what has induced me to vote as I intend. Surprise, surprise, only in today's paper there was an article on a vote for UKIP and other small parties being a "wasted" vote and an almost certain way of allowing Labour to get back in again.
FACT, we are not going to have a government who will take us out of the EU, we can huff, puff, scream, shout, pull out our hair, kick the cat or head butt the wall but it is not going to happen.
If we vote purely on the single issue of the EU, let's look at what we have got.
(a) Labour, who gave them back all our rebates, took us in further, broke a solemn promise for a referendum and if Brown or any of them could do so they would give our Parliament over for the summer residence of the EU President which Labour tried for with Blair and failed. Nothing remotely doing there methinks. Mandelson would have us with the Euro tomorrow.
(b) Lib Dems, enough said, they would totally submerge what little is left of our sovereignty under a welter of Europeanism we would become as extinct as "Piltdown man".
(c) UKIP, as I said above, only when they get a massive, and I mean massive following in local elections to give them national credibility by controlling Local Councils, will they ever gain sufficient following to ever dream of getting into Parliament - they are light years away from that.
(d) BNP, they are opposed to everything Europe stands for, can you honestly see them ever forming a Government.
(e) Green's, I put them about one degree lower than the Lib Dems in their fervour for Europe. Listen to their Caroline Lucas talk on the subject of Europe, we would just be another province of little Luxembourg if she had her way.
(e) Tories, more against the EU than for it, albeit some would argue this. The party history with regard to the EU is one not of fawning subservience but of brittle, reluctance and spirited fighting our corner. (The first thing to go would be the EU law that stops us deporting criminals if they don't want to go, where Political Correctness is the order of the day, where minorities dictate their demands for cultural alteration of our laws to suit them etc etc etc. The Euro would be permanantly kicked into touch, we would once again make demands for our Labour lost rebates and once again, other EU members would know they had a fight on their hands if they wished to impose any more daftness on us.
Remember the Tory cry, a member of Europe, yes but ruled by Europe, never.

Take your pick of the above, I know who I am going for. You want another dose of Labour then vote UKIP, Green, BNP or similar. None of them have a snowball's chance in hell.

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