Fox hunting can eliminate suffering (From Worcester News)

The part about it being over in seconds is a bare faced lie, or at least a statement of somone who is either desperate to be right or has never been fox hunting. The hunt goes on for ages, causing much stress for the animal and then it is torn to pieces by dogs. If it were humans we would not sanction it even if it was needed to rebalance the world, and we certainly wouldn't if it was to cull the weak or ill. In the end it is just to satisfy the human need to feel dominant, and how better to do that than to hunt an animal many times smaller than a human with a large pack of dogs and a shotgun? The whole thing is embarrassing for the human race, especially considering the fact that we're meant to be civilised by now.

Chips020 - The part about the death being over in seconds is NOT a bare faced lie at all! The hunt may well go on for a long time, but a lot of this time is spent finding a fox in the first place.
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Foxes are a pest - they are not the "sweet, innocent, poor little foxes" that anti-hunt protesters seem to think they are, and they need to be controlled. The hunting of foxes is one method of doing this, and if a fox is caught, it is killed. Simple as that.
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If traps were placed to catch foxes then what's to say that a fox couldn't work itself free from the trap, and spend days, weeks even, wandering around with a horrific injury before dying a slow and painful death? Again, if foxes were shot, what's to say that they escaped, but had gunshot wounds which they later died from?
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The fox population is on the rise. It was rising when hunting was legal, and it continues to do so now. I'm not sure what people would prefer really - the foxes could be left to their own devices, hunting could be outlawed altogether and lamb and poultry stocks could be seriously affected as a result, or hunting could continue, with tighter regulations to keep the antis happy...

It comes down to the fact that the human race itself is overpopulated, a "pest" if you will and causes much more damage than the foxes and yet you don't see the government lifting the ban on human hunting do you? You do have valid points but my augment is not a practical one, it is a moral one.

"...you don't see the government lifting the ban on human hunting do you?"
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Actually, yes, we do now! As you rightly say, the world is grossly over-populated.

The New World Order has several plans outlined, for global population control - and reduction! One of which, was Swine 'Flu - but like the previous "Flu" experiments, it hasn't quite gone as expected. Nowhere near enough deaths!

Wars are expensive and messy, so other ways are rapidly being thought up and tested.

Watch the news carefully and anybody can spot it! It leaks out, at times - mainly via smaller websites on the internet, several American sites carry the details.

...which is why they are desperately trying to control the internet, etc...

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Sorry it's not about fox hunting, but I though you should be informed.

CS.

Common Sense wrote:
"...you don't see the government lifting the ban on human hunting do you?"
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Actually, yes, we do now! As you rightly say, the world is grossly over-populated.

The New World Order has several plans outlined, for global population control - and reduction! One of which, was Swine 'Flu - but like the previous "Flu" experiments, it hasn't quite gone as expected. Nowhere near enough deaths!

Wars are expensive and messy, so other ways are rapidly being thought up and tested.

Watch the news carefully and anybody can spot it! It leaks out, at times - mainly via smaller websites on the internet, several American sites carry the details.

...which is why they are desperately trying to control the internet, etc...

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Sorry it's not about fox hunting, but I though you should be informed.

CS.

I'm with him...

As my mother was a member of the hunt brigade i was forced to go when i was younger. The hunt is barbaric and the enjoyment grown men and women get from seeing an innocent animal torn apart is disgusting. You say it is over in seconds, tell that to the fox...oh no you can't because it has been torn limb from limb by a dog. Anyone pro hunting deserves to be hunted themselves (in my humble opinion).

mort wrote:
As my mother was a member of the hunt brigade i was forced to go when i was younger. The hunt is barbaric and the enjoyment grown men and women get from seeing an innocent animal torn apart is disgusting. You say it is over in seconds, tell that to the fox...oh no you can't because it has been torn limb from limb by a dog. Anyone pro hunting deserves to be hunted themselves (in my humble opinion).

What do you suggest to control the ever-growing numbers of "innocent" foxes then, Mort?
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I wouldn't say that I'm 'Pro Hunting' in the sense that I'm a member of a Pro Hunting group, and I don't regularly attend meets (although I did used to when I was younger and I still occasionally do now). However I'm certainly on that side of the fence.
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You could try giving your argument to someone who has had their entire brood of hens killed by such an innocent animal? Yes, I've seen the David Attenborough programme too, where the Fox is shown to take each chicken and bury it somewhere, so it has a food source throughout the winter - very clever. However I'm not sure that the owners of the chickens would have seen it that way, and I'm not entirely sure that they would share your opinion on the fox either.
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In fact, if a group of hounds were to come along at that particular moment and kill the fox, they would probably all be treated to a biscuit, 'in my humble opinion'..

There is an overpopulation of foxes yes but one of the reasons is because they were bred for hunting, who will take responsibility for that? Living in a rural commumity all my life i am sympathetic to all the people involved in the hunt and the way it has effected their lives but the fact that you cannot escape is that hunting with dogs is illegal as the 'Foster' ban as i have seen it reported states. How many times does this fact have to keep being repeated for the fans of this cruel sport?
Don't be childish either, i said that to stop people jumping on a comment that was my personal opinion.

I think that the pro hunting people are getting desperate, all I hear is the same augment over and over followed up by childish comments...

Chips020 wrote:
I think that the pro hunting people are getting desperate, all I hear is the same augment over and over followed up by childish comments...

I think both sides are just as bad as each other. There are only so many things that can be debated, and things are bound to get repeated given the length of time the pro/anti argument has been going on.

I just think that fox hunters are running out of augments, and the fact that it has been banned supports this, and actually makes this augment pointless, although I am willing to keep arguing it if you wish...

If you read the original letter through again, you realise just how brain-washed these blood-thirsty beggars are! I was brought up in the Countryside and witnessed quite a few hunts and the more I saw them the more I found it a hideous spectacle. As a yound lad, I would dread the sound of the horn (still do) and would always pray the fox would get away.
There is no argument. It just isn't right. And the people who encourage hunting must have a part of their mind set-up that is slightly grotesque and creepy. IMHO.

Well said!

I wish to see the hunting ban overturned.
I have never been hunting in my life, and have no interest in going in the future.
I just object to the "namby pamby" brigade wanting everything banned, in my opinion we must stop this culture.
I'd also like to see scameras removed from our roads (as they do nothing for road safety)
I'd like to see the smoking ban removed.
I'd also like to see alcohol free zones removed.
And, anyone who spouts "global warming crap" should be stoned to death!
Anyone know who to vote for ?

Biggles wrote:
I wish to see the hunting ban overturned. I have never been hunting in my life, and have no interest in going in the future. I just object to the "namby pamby" brigade wanting everything banned, in my opinion we must stop this culture. I'd also like to see scameras removed from our roads (as they do nothing for road safety) I'd like to see the smoking ban removed. I'd also like to see alcohol free zones removed. And, anyone who spouts "global warming crap" should be stoned to death! Anyone know who to vote for ?

Oh dear, please never go into goverment, if everyone thought like that we would be right back in the middle ages. We need to restrict and ban imiture, dangerous and uncivilised things if we are going to have safe streets, have a healthy population and advance as a society.

Chips020 wrote:

Biggles wrote: I wish to see the hunting ban overturned. I have never been hunting in my life, and have no interest in going in the future. I just object to the "namby pamby" brigade wanting everything banned, in my opinion we must stop this culture. I'd also like to see scameras removed from our roads (as they do nothing for road safety) I'd like to see the smoking ban removed. I'd also like to see alcohol free zones removed. And, anyone who spouts "global warming crap" should be stoned to death! Anyone know who to vote for ?

Oh dear, please never go into goverment, if everyone thought like that we would be right back in the middle ages. We need to restrict and ban imiture, dangerous and uncivilised things if we are going to have safe streets, have a healthy population and advance as a society.

I see, ah my mistake !

So why does everyone consider our streets are so much more dangerous than when I grew up, in the 60's and 70's then ?

Biggles wrote:

Chips020 wrote:

Biggles wrote: I wish to see the hunting ban overturned. I have never been hunting in my life, and have no interest in going in the future. I just object to the "namby pamby" brigade wanting everything banned, in my opinion we must stop this culture. I'd also like to see scameras removed from our roads (as they do nothing for road safety) I'd like to see the smoking ban removed. I'd also like to see alcohol free zones removed. And, anyone who spouts "global warming crap" should be stoned to death! Anyone know who to vote for ?

Oh dear, please never go into goverment, if everyone thought like that we would be right back in the middle ages. We need to restrict and ban imiture, dangerous and uncivilised things if we are going to have safe streets, have a healthy population and advance as a society.

I see, ah my mistake ! So why does everyone consider our streets are so much more dangerous than when I grew up, in the 60's and 70's then ?

They aren't, thats kinda the point...

Chips020 wrote:

Biggles wrote:

Chips020 wrote:

Biggles wrote: I wish to see the hunting ban overturned. I have never been hunting in my life, and have no interest in going in the future. I just object to the "namby pamby" brigade wanting everything banned, in my opinion we must stop this culture. I'd also like to see scameras removed from our roads (as they do nothing for road safety) I'd like to see the smoking ban removed. I'd also like to see alcohol free zones removed. And, anyone who spouts "global warming crap" should be stoned to death! Anyone know who to vote for ?

Oh dear, please never go into goverment, if everyone thought like that we would be right back in the middle ages. We need to restrict and ban imiture, dangerous and uncivilised things if we are going to have safe streets, have a healthy population and advance as a society.

I see, ah my mistake ! So why does everyone consider our streets are so much more dangerous than when I grew up, in the 60's and 70's then ?

They aren't, thats kinda the point...

So.......if things aren't as bad as they were ......in your opinion.......why the desire to try and legislate and control everything/everybody ?

Biggles wrote:

Chips020 wrote:

Biggles wrote:

Chips020 wrote:

Biggles wrote: I wish to see the hunting ban overturned. I have never been hunting in my life, and have no interest in going in the future. I just object to the "namby pamby" brigade wanting everything banned, in my opinion we must stop this culture. I'd also like to see scameras removed from our roads (as they do nothing for road safety) I'd like to see the smoking ban removed. I'd also like to see alcohol free zones removed. And, anyone who spouts "global warming crap" should be stoned to death! Anyone know who to vote for ?

Oh dear, please never go into goverment, if everyone thought like that we would be right back in the middle ages. We need to restrict and ban imiture, dangerous and uncivilised things if we are going to have safe streets, have a healthy population and advance as a society.

I see, ah my mistake ! So why does everyone consider our streets are so much more dangerous than when I grew up, in the 60's and 70's then ?

They aren't, thats kinda the point...

So.......if things aren't as bad as they were ......in your opinion.......why the desire to try and legislate and control everything/everybody ?

Because humans are violent and selfish and so need to be moderately controlled to form a society. If there are not rules put into place then people will just go on killing each other and defenceless animals, giving themselves liver disease and lung cancer and making each others lives unbearable.

Chips020 wrote:

Biggles wrote:

Chips020 wrote:

Biggles wrote:

Chips020 wrote:

Biggles wrote: I wish to see the hunting ban overturned. I have never been hunting in my life, and have no interest in going in the future. I just object to the "namby pamby" brigade wanting everything banned, in my opinion we must stop this culture. I'd also like to see scameras removed from our roads (as they do nothing for road safety) I'd like to see the smoking ban removed. I'd also like to see alcohol free zones removed. And, anyone who spouts "global warming crap" should be stoned to death! Anyone know who to vote for ?

Oh dear, please never go into goverment, if everyone thought like that we would be right back in the middle ages. We need to restrict and ban imiture, dangerous and uncivilised things if we are going to have safe streets, have a healthy population and advance as a society.

I see, ah my mistake ! So why does everyone consider our streets are so much more dangerous than when I grew up, in the 60's and 70's then ?

They aren't, thats kinda the point...

So.......if things aren't as bad as they were ......in your opinion.......why the desire to try and legislate and control everything/everybody ?

Because humans are violent and selfish and so need to be moderately controlled to form a society. If there are not rules put into place then people will just go on killing each other and defenceless animals, giving themselves liver disease and lung cancer and making each others lives unbearable.

But what I see as your vision, life lived according to chipso20, makes life seem unbearable to me.

We are not drones, and I don't find the kind of control you seem to like "moderate"

Biggles wrote:

Chips020 wrote:

Biggles wrote:

Chips020 wrote:

Biggles wrote:

Chips020 wrote:

Biggles wrote: I wish to see the hunting ban overturned. I have never been hunting in my life, and have no interest in going in the future. I just object to the "namby pamby" brigade wanting everything banned, in my opinion we must stop this culture. I'd also like to see scameras removed from our roads (as they do nothing for road safety) I'd like to see the smoking ban removed. I'd also like to see alcohol free zones removed. And, anyone who spouts "global warming crap" should be stoned to death! Anyone know who to vote for ?

Oh dear, please never go into goverment, if everyone thought like that we would be right back in the middle ages. We need to restrict and ban imiture, dangerous and uncivilised things if we are going to have safe streets, have a healthy population and advance as a society.

I see, ah my mistake ! So why does everyone consider our streets are so much more dangerous than when I grew up, in the 60's and 70's then ?

They aren't, thats kinda the point...

So.......if things aren't as bad as they were ......in your opinion.......why the desire to try and legislate and control everything/everybody ?

Because humans are violent and selfish and so need to be moderately controlled to form a society. If there are not rules put into place then people will just go on killing each other and defenceless animals, giving themselves liver disease and lung cancer and making each others lives unbearable.

But what I see as your vision, life lived according to chipso20, makes life seem unbearable to me.

We are not drones, and I don't find the kind of control you seem to like "moderate"

So you'd rather live in fear then?