Well intentioned but naive ideas (From Worcester News)
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Well intentioned but naive ideas
8:00am Friday 26th March 2010 in
SIR – Worcester Green Party candidate Louis Stephens (Letters March 12) has some interesting ideas on how we produce our food and conserve the countryside.
Well intentioned, but naive, they unfortunately lack the necessary joined-up thinking needed, leaving many people to wonder what experience Mr Stephen has to comment seriously on rural matters.
The Green Party declare they will end “factory farming”. Well, we already have some of the highest standards of farm animal welfare in the world. Preventing imports of cheap low welfare meat before tightening our farm regulations is a must.
If not, livestock farming will end in this country and the consumer will eventually pay with their health and hard-earned cash.
The Green Party policy on animal welfare demands a ban on all hunting and shooting and eventually an end to angling. Country sports employ tens of thousands, contributing millions of pounds to conservation, and put billions of pounds into the economy. If the Greens get their way the taxpayer, our countryside and wildlife will all be a lot poorer.
Jon Burgess
Malvern
Comments(17)
crowquill
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9:56am Fri 26 Mar 10
Is this actually policy? Can you provide a link to information confirming this please.
New Kid on the Block
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12:42pm Fri 26 Mar 10
• End all animal experiments, replacing them with more reliable non-animal alternatives.
• End factory farming, stop promoting factory farming abroad and encourage a reduction in meat consumption. We would also ban live exports, and the genetic treatment of animals.
• Protect habitats, ban bloodsports and end badger culling. We would ban the use of animals in circuses.
This was extracted directly from the Green Party website
http://www.greenpart
y.org.uk/policies/an
imal-protection.html
crowquill
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3:45pm Fri 26 Mar 10
Crikey! That only leaves me with the BNP to vote for then! Well I suppose at least they have honest intentions and are guaranteed to tackle at least one of our problems.
Cromwell of Worcester
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5:23pm Fri 26 Mar 10
Matthew Jenkins
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9:59pm Sat 27 Mar 10
Regarding the Green Party policies on animal welfare, in particular on stopping intensive factory farming, they include the aim to prevent imports that do not meet UK standards.
The move away from intensive, fossil-fuel dependent agribusiness to sustainable, organic farming practices would actually benefit the countryside in many ways, including jobs.
Also, the Green Party are against bloodsports, but they do not want to ban angling.
Cromwell of Worcester
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2:01pm Sun 28 Mar 10
Common Sense
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6:40pm Sun 28 Mar 10
I have video film of German officers hunting - it's black and white, not colour, but they hunted whenever they had the chance!
The Germans greatly admired the English and wanted to copy us in every detail.
Not so today, of course!
CS.
Matthew Jenkins
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9:01pm Sun 28 Mar 10
Cromwell of Worcester wrote:Hitler did ban hunting, yes.
Hitler band Hunting and other blood sports.
Is this how you decide right from wrong, Cromwell - do the opposite of Hitler? And there I've been weighing up the arguments for and against a moral decision, taking into account certain moral principles etc. etc., when all I had to do was discover what Hitler thought about the matter and do the opposite. Silly me.
amilo
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12:14pm Mon 29 Mar 10
what is the green parties view on the cruel and barbaric practice of ritualistic slaughter?
Or are they,like the RSPCA so intrenched with PC that it undermines there basic core beliefs-Please dont reply that the greens support this practice!
Matthew Jenkins
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2:05pm Mon 29 Mar 10
“At the moment the Green Party has no official policy on ritual slaughter, although I am aware that our animal rights groups has been discussing the issue in order to take a policy to our conference for agreement.
“However I think it is fair to say that most of us feel that it is incumbent on those who want to eat meat to be responsible for causing the animal as little suffering as possible and are aware that halal and kosher slaughtering methods are attacked for being particularly cruel. But equally, some argue that the techniques used mean the animals die more quickly than with conventional slaughter.
“Rules state that the knife must be sharpened between each killing and the animal must be cut with one stroke from ear to ear and never within sight of another animal.
“Care must be taken not to pick on one method and criticise it when there are faults in all methods and perhaps the focus should be on improving conditions in slaughterhouses.
Brian Heatley
Policy Development Coordinator
The Green Party”.
amilo
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4:55pm Mon 29 Mar 10
Worcesterman
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6:48am Tue 30 Mar 10
Am I wrong?
amilo
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10:21am Tue 30 Mar 10
Its an obvious fact that for there policies to stand any chance of being remotely realistic you would have to cull 75% of the population,Perhaps you could do it by hanging them upside down and slitting there throats Mathew? I wonder how many would opt for that option over a Bolt gun?
amilo
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10:47am Tue 30 Mar 10
This really shines a light on the total hypocrisy of the "lib/lab/con trick" Not one of those gutless pathetic organisations will do any thing to stem the flood of souls from the third and second worlds to the first.
Honestly if you want to be truly "green" you must firstly not have any children,secondly and most definatly not subsidise Africa to breed more. And most importantly-for the sake of the planet vote UKIP or BNP because they are the only parties that are even remotely addressing the fundamentals.
Matthew Jenkins
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11:54am Tue 30 Mar 10
Firstly, the issue of ritual slaughter is not as straightforward as you make out. The evidence re. which method of slaughter is the most painful is not clear cut. Plus, consideration must be given to the religious beliefs of those who want meat slaughtered in this way. Clearly there is a debate between the freedom to practice your religion and the desire to reduce the suffering of animals. One of the reasons that the BNP are the only party I'm aware of that want to completely ban ritual slaughter is there less than favourable attitude towards certain religious and ethnic groups.
Secondly, Amilo's attack on the Green Party seems to involve some considerable misunderstanding of what they stand for. The Green Party want to increase the production of locally grown food, so how is that going to starve us all? How is investment in renewable energy, with its potential to create many jobs, going to require us to kill 3/4 of the population?
Finally, the idea that UKIP or the BNP are more green than any other party is rather far-fetched, particularly as neither believe in man-made climate change, despite the wealth of evidence. How will stopping all immigration into the country help the environment? And who is subsidising Africans to breed more? Do you mean that by providing aid to the starving in the world we are increasing the population unnecessarily? Should we just let them die? Lets shut our borders, look after ourselves and forget about those less fortunate in the world - is that your policy?
amilo
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12:54pm Tue 30 Mar 10
the question of ritual slaughter is quite straight forward ask yourself which way you would prefer to be dispatched.
You seem to think that religion trounces atheism and takes some kind of moral humane high ground why?
This country has not been self sufficient in food production since the first world war when we had a considerably smaller population.Thinking we can all be fed from the produce of this once green and pleasant land is happy clappy abstract nonsense! And that's before you add in the greens views on insecticides
Immigration into this country just increases our carbon foot print,that's even before you start to think about the social consequences and strain on resources ,and for what exactly? Cheap labour? votes?
Ethiopia's population has increased 3 fold since Bob Geldorf meddled in that desperate countries future what kind of human misary will there be there when the next famine comes.I happen to believe contraception is the best aid for Africa,and by the way its my "god given right" to hold that view in the same way you hold your views.Yes it really does cut me to the core to see pictures of starving malnourished children,but surely is it not more humane that they were not born in the first place?
Finally no we should not close our borders the suggestion is absurd !
What I am saying is that we are not all born equal, and each country/continent should live with in its means, in a stable sustainable environment,which will ultimately be better for those countries involved.
Worcesterman
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2:31pm Tue 30 Mar 10
I must admit,I prefer amilo's account, as I agree with everything he has written, Matthew what you stated in your letter seem unworkable, I have never read such a load of claptrap, I have come to the conclusion that this Country of mine( well I thought it was), has been chosen to be the dustbin of the E.U. send all the crap over here, and destroy our way of life.
I think the people who agree with me are a dying breed, and when we tell the other brainwashed, they think we are mad, the Secular Progressives are doing a good job, and that worries me.
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