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He’s probably not worked on a farm
8:10am Friday 18th June 2010 in Read
SIR – John Burgess’s comments on the welfare of farm animals only goes to show he has probably never worked on a farm or visited a livestock market or slaughterhouse.
As for this country having the highest welfare standards for farm animals I dread to think how other countries treat their animals. There may be regulations to protect farm animals but they are seldom enforced. Having worked on farms and had dealings with the organisations mentioned I found them sadly inadequate.
As for Pauline Burgess wanting to encourage veganism rather than improving animal welfare – being vegan is the only way to help all farm animals. It seems John Burgess is quite ignorant about veganism.
Geraldine Engel
Malvern
Comments(17)
MJI
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10:06am Fri 18 Jun 10
I have seen enough fams to be happy with the welfare on those!
MrStJohns
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10:15am Fri 18 Jun 10
At the end of the day, not everyone is going to become vegetarian, and the more you keep bouncing up and down and yarning on, the more boring and repetitive the argument becomes. Live and let live.
Tulstar
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11:29am Fri 18 Jun 10
ALL of the farmers I knew when I lived in Mid Wales (and that would account for about 80% of my friends) looked after their animals - at the end of the day, the animals are their livelihood.
"Being Vegan is the only way to help all farm animals"..... Seriously? No it isn't.
It may be a really good way to ensure the demise of UK livestock farming and make life harder still for farmers (not everywhere has ground suitable for arable farming, Geraldine), but the thorough and proper enforcement of animal welfare guidelines will go a long way to helping the welfare of the minority of animals that are mistreated.
And as for the quote about someone being "quite ignorant" about Veganism - look at yourself before criticising others. You've made the assumption that all farms, slaughterhouses and livestock markets are the same, which is based on nothing more than your own personal experience.
Hymie
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12:05pm Fri 18 Jun 10
Ms Engel has worked on farms. Have the correspondants who dismiss what she says worked on farms? No. The radio 4 programme 'the Archers' is the nearest to farm life they have experianced!
Sadly people who have no knowledge often want to comment on everything!
If more people abstained from cadarvers less would be less cows, sheep, pigs would be breed - we already cull - slaugher.
MJI
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12:20pm Fri 18 Jun 10
Hymie wrote:I resent this, I have relations who are farmers, I also grew up near a farm and played with the farmers children. So I have seen enough.
And there are non so blind as those who refuse to see, are there?
Ms Engel has worked on farms. Have the correspondants who dismiss what she says worked on farms? No. The radio 4 programme 'the Archers' is the nearest to farm life they have experianced!
Sadly people who have no knowledge often want to comment on everything!
If more people abstained from cadarvers less would be less cows, sheep, pigs would be breed - we already cull - slaugher.
MrStJohns
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12:21pm Fri 18 Jun 10
As Bertrand Russell said: “if the history of the universe were ever documented, its doubtful that the human race would be mentioned at all”
Tulstar
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2:08pm Fri 18 Jun 10
Hymie wrote:Oh, Hymie, how wrong you are to assume that none of us have lived or worked on farms. Speaking for myself here - I lived AND worked on a farm in Mid Wales for the best part of 10 years.
And there are non so blind as those who refuse to see, are there?
Ms Engel has worked on farms. Have the correspondants who dismiss what she says worked on farms? No. The radio 4 programme 'the Archers' is the nearest to farm life they have experianced!
Sadly people who have no knowledge often want to comment on everything!
If more people abstained from cadarvers less would be less cows, sheep, pigs would be breed - we already cull - slaugher.
I also worked for the National Assembly for Wales (which was then the Welsh Office), in the agriculture department, and was responsible for the organisation and administration of CII, BSPS, SCP, and SAP inspections throughout the whole of Brecknockshire, Monmouthshire, Montgomeryshire and Radnorshire, a lot of which I attended with the inspectors.
Farmers were given very little notice of an inspection (so they couldn't hide things), and only once did I ever see examples of farm animals being mistreated.
Please do not assume that, just because we disagree with somebody or don't share their opinions, that we know nothing.
Hymie
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2:17pm Fri 18 Jun 10
and having relations who are farmers does not qualify MJI to unequvically say that animals are treated well. The way animals are reared, fed unnatural
food and slaughtered plus chemicals added to promote weight etc. causes cancer tummers and then to eat those can not be good for the well being of carnovoirs. It is not rocket science to understand that we are what we eat. The bigoted 'view' that you are right only denies that animals are treated badly.
crowquill
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2:28pm Fri 18 Jun 10
Hymie
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2:49pm Fri 18 Jun 10
In the light of your work with the Welsh Office you will know that my previous comments on cancers on animals caused by modern intensive farming practices do enter the human food chain, it not being possible or practical to cut out all cancers.
amilo
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5:51pm Fri 18 Jun 10
Dereck
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7:33pm Fri 18 Jun 10
Hymie
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7:12am Sat 19 Jun 10
Worcesterman
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7:40pm Sun 20 Jun 10
You have upset, the righteous twins again, naughty, naughty.
you know, they dont know what they are talking about.
MJI
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4:06pm Mon 21 Jun 10
Hymie wrote:Yes I do resent being poopooed because I only played on, or visited woth relatives. I grew up near a dairy & arable farm and I visit a cattle rearing farm a lot.
MJI resents my post for saying that he has not worked on a farm and therefor has no knowledge of how animals are treated. Growing up near a farm, playing with farmers children
and having relations who are farmers does not qualify MJI to unequvically say that animals are treated well. The way animals are reared, fed unnatural
food and slaughtered plus chemicals added to promote weight etc. causes cancer tummers and then to eat those can not be good for the well being of carnovoirs. It is not rocket science to understand that we are what we eat. The bigoted 'view' that you are right only denies that animals are treated badly.
I have quite a bit of experience on two farms and you don't have to work on one to know what is happening.
Well they do not use anti biotics unless an animal is ill. They do not add chemicals to make animals grow faster, this is NOT the US.
So in MY experience I have seen no mistreatment of farm animals - why would they mistreat their main source of income.
Dereck
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12:55am Wed 23 Jun 10
I do not believe in father Christmas
either!
Dereck
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4:42pm Sat 26 Jun 10
Against GM - the best way to exclude GM from your diet is to be a vegan.
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