Speeding hotelier avoids road ban

Worcester News: Speeding hotelier avoids road ban Speeding hotelier avoids road ban

HOTEL owner Linton Penman, of Prince Edwards Close, Evesham, admitted speeding when he appeared at Worcester Magistrates Court and got three penalty points bringing his total to 12.

He was recorded doing 35mph on the A4184 Cheltenham Road.

He avoided losing his licence after saying it would leave himself and 36 people employed at Fishmore Hall Hotel, Ludlow, in a position of exceptional hardship.

He was ordered to pay £100 fine, £60 costs and a £15 victim surcharge.

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3:44pm Mon 12 Nov 12

uptonX says...

Before people start getting all moral, that'll almost certainly be the 30 camera along the long straight bit of road - the same bit of road that had been a safe 40mph limit for many many years but was reduced to 30mph when the camera was installed. In the words of the pop song "it's all about the money"
Before people start getting all moral, that'll almost certainly be the 30 camera along the long straight bit of road - the same bit of road that had been a safe 40mph limit for many many years but was reduced to 30mph when the camera was installed. In the words of the pop song "it's all about the money" uptonX
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9:35pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Ctrl Alt Del says...

Bit harsh as it's just on ACPO guidelines of 10% plus 2mph, Lucky he's not a pedestrian for a bit!
Bit harsh as it's just on ACPO guidelines of 10% plus 2mph, Lucky he's not a pedestrian for a bit! Ctrl Alt Del
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9:36pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Ctrl Alt Del says...

Bit harsh as it's just on ACPO guidelines of 10% plus 2mph, Lucky he's not a pedestrian for a bit!
Bit harsh as it's just on ACPO guidelines of 10% plus 2mph, Lucky he's not a pedestrian for a bit! Ctrl Alt Del
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9:42pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Biggles says...

Good for him.
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It's about time this speed kills crap was put to bed !
Good for him. . It's about time this speed kills crap was put to bed ! Biggles
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10:23pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Vox populi says...

35mph on an A road?! Quick, hang him!!!
35mph on an A road?! Quick, hang him!!! Vox populi
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8:33am Tue 13 Nov 12

Respectable says...

SO WHERE IS THE CONSISTENCY WITH REGARDS TO HOW THE LAWS / PENALTIES ARE APPLIED.??


A SPEEDING vicar has been stopped in her tracks by a driving ban.

The Rev Lynn Busfield, priest in charge of Peopleton, Broughton Hackett, White Ladies Aston and Upton Snodsbury, was ordered off the road for six months after admitting speeding at 42mph in a 30mph limit on the A4104 Station Road in Pershore on February 8.

Worcester Magistrates Court was told that Busfield had a string of speeding convictions and was only spared a driving ban in September 2011 because she argued it would cause “exceptional hardship” with her work and that her parishioners would suffer if she was unable to drive.


Busfield, age 51, of the Rectory, Peopleton, near Pershore, is also an associate priest of 12 other parishes.

She told magistrates there were no new circumstances for arguing exceptional hardship again.

She said she would have to use taxis to travel around her patch as there was no public transport available.

When asked if it would affect her having her job, she replied: “I cannot speak for the diocese. But I would hope that the knock-on effect would make them consider the sensibleness of appointing a priest to cover 16 parishes.”

She was fined £300 and issued with four penalty points, causing her to be banned under the “totting up” process after reaching 12 points in total.
SO WHERE IS THE CONSISTENCY WITH REGARDS TO HOW THE LAWS / PENALTIES ARE APPLIED.?? A SPEEDING vicar has been stopped in her tracks by a driving ban. The Rev Lynn Busfield, priest in charge of Peopleton, Broughton Hackett, White Ladies Aston and Upton Snodsbury, was ordered off the road for six months after admitting speeding at 42mph in a 30mph limit on the A4104 Station Road in Pershore on February 8. Worcester Magistrates Court was told that Busfield had a string of speeding convictions and was only spared a driving ban in September 2011 because she argued it would cause “exceptional hardship” with her work and that her parishioners would suffer if she was unable to drive. Busfield, age 51, of the Rectory, Peopleton, near Pershore, is also an associate priest of 12 other parishes. She told magistrates there were no new circumstances for arguing exceptional hardship again. She said she would have to use taxis to travel around her patch as there was no public transport available. When asked if it would affect her having her job, she replied: “I cannot speak for the diocese. But I would hope that the knock-on effect would make them consider the sensibleness of appointing a priest to cover 16 parishes.” She was fined £300 and issued with four penalty points, causing her to be banned under the “totting up” process after reaching 12 points in total. Respectable
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8:35am Tue 13 Nov 12

Guy66 says...

35 in a 30 zone... bring back hanging..... what a stupid country we live in. Pathetic considering were this is......just reinforces the real reason for 'safety' cameras.... 'money grabbing' cameras.
35 in a 30 zone... bring back hanging..... what a stupid country we live in. Pathetic considering were this is......just reinforces the real reason for 'safety' cameras.... 'money grabbing' cameras. Guy66
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9:25am Tue 13 Nov 12

MrWXYZ says...

to be fair whilst not speeding by much its also not his first offence as he had 9 points already. Possibly his 4th offence so he isn't learning to obey the laws of the road.
Why complain about enforcing speed limits rather than the levels they are set too - unless you think you should have a different set of rules apply to you....... like Mr Penman.
And it wasn't too long ago that 30mph was apparently too fast a speed limit for an A road in worcester (bromwich road)! And i've seen criticism on here for anyone overtaking anything in a 30mph road.
to be fair whilst not speeding by much its also not his first offence as he had 9 points already. Possibly his 4th offence so he isn't learning to obey the laws of the road. Why complain about enforcing speed limits rather than the levels they are set too - unless you think you should have a different set of rules apply to you....... like Mr Penman. And it wasn't too long ago that 30mph was apparently too fast a speed limit for an A road in worcester (bromwich road)! And i've seen criticism on here for anyone overtaking anything in a 30mph road. MrWXYZ
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9:53am Tue 13 Nov 12

Guy66 says...

MrWXYZ wrote:
to be fair whilst not speeding by much its also not his first offence as he had 9 points already. Possibly his 4th offence so he isn't learning to obey the laws of the road.
Why complain about enforcing speed limits rather than the levels they are set too - unless you think you should have a different set of rules apply to you....... like Mr Penman.
And it wasn't too long ago that 30mph was apparently too fast a speed limit for an A road in worcester (bromwich road)! And i've seen criticism on here for anyone overtaking anything in a 30mph road.
What an strange name - great to hide behind anonymity and fling mud!
[quote][p][bold]MrWXYZ[/bold] wrote: to be fair whilst not speeding by much its also not his first offence as he had 9 points already. Possibly his 4th offence so he isn't learning to obey the laws of the road. Why complain about enforcing speed limits rather than the levels they are set too - unless you think you should have a different set of rules apply to you....... like Mr Penman. And it wasn't too long ago that 30mph was apparently too fast a speed limit for an A road in worcester (bromwich road)! And i've seen criticism on here for anyone overtaking anything in a 30mph road.[/p][/quote]What an strange name - great to hide behind anonymity and fling mud! Guy66
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11:06am Tue 13 Nov 12

Vox populi says...

Guy66 wrote:
35 in a 30 zone... bring back hanging..... what a stupid country we live in. Pathetic considering were this is......just reinforces the real reason for 'safety' cameras.... 'money grabbing' cameras.
Just to clarify.....my comment was sarcasm :-)
[quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: 35 in a 30 zone... bring back hanging..... what a stupid country we live in. Pathetic considering were this is......just reinforces the real reason for 'safety' cameras.... 'money grabbing' cameras.[/p][/quote]Just to clarify.....my comment was sarcasm :-) Vox populi
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11:24am Tue 13 Nov 12

MrWXYZ says...

apologies for not having a username giving full name and address like everyone else?!

As for flinging mud, more giving another side to the argument........ unless you do feel speed limits should stay as they are, but you should be allowed to ignore them?!
apologies for not having a username giving full name and address like everyone else?! As for flinging mud, more giving another side to the argument........ unless you do feel speed limits should stay as they are, but you should be allowed to ignore them?! MrWXYZ
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2:45pm Tue 13 Nov 12

MJI says...

I once asked this question of a rabid anti speeder.
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"Would you rather a driver watching the road doing 35mph saw you and missed you. Or would you rather be hit by a driver doing exactly 30mph because he was watching the speedo?"
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He admitted he would rather be hit as the driver was not speeding, he thought it was safer than a 35mph driver not mowing down swathes of pedestrians.
I once asked this question of a rabid anti speeder. . "Would you rather a driver watching the road doing 35mph saw you and missed you. Or would you rather be hit by a driver doing exactly 30mph because he was watching the speedo?" . He admitted he would rather be hit as the driver was not speeding, he thought it was safer than a 35mph driver not mowing down swathes of pedestrians. MJI
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3:29pm Tue 13 Nov 12

MrWXYZ says...

assume thats aimed at me as i'm only one aside from 'respectable' not defending him. Not a rabid anti speeder, but don't see why he should be above the law. He's had more than one conviction. If you know the law and choose to ignore it then surely you chance points. If you don't want to break the law but don't agree with speed limits then try to get them changed.

I've seen the speedo comment before and its poor. A competent driver can drive at 30mph and watch the road. A driver not watching the road is driving with undue care and attention.

You could say would you rather be in a car with a driver who has had 3 pints of beer, isn't remotely drunk and is driving sensibly (but admittedly will have slightly impaired reactions). Or in a car with someone speeding, not paying attention and tailgating? Its a no brainer for me but the safer driver of those 2 gets an automatic ban and committed a social wrong. The more dangerous driver gets 3 points and is classed socially acceptable.
assume thats aimed at me as i'm only one aside from 'respectable' not defending him. Not a rabid anti speeder, but don't see why he should be above the law. He's had more than one conviction. If you know the law and choose to ignore it then surely you chance points. If you don't want to break the law but don't agree with speed limits then try to get them changed. I've seen the speedo comment before and its poor. A competent driver can drive at 30mph and watch the road. A driver not watching the road is driving with undue care and attention. You could say would you rather be in a car with a driver who has had 3 pints of beer, isn't remotely drunk and is driving sensibly (but admittedly will have slightly impaired reactions). Or in a car with someone speeding, not paying attention and tailgating? Its a no brainer for me but the safer driver of those 2 gets an automatic ban and committed a social wrong. The more dangerous driver gets 3 points and is classed socially acceptable. MrWXYZ
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8:32pm Tue 13 Nov 12

mr.meldrew says...

hardship....why/// does he pick up and take home his 36 staff,i presume none of them can drive then.lame excuse...
hardship....why/// does he pick up and take home his 36 staff,i presume none of them can drive then.lame excuse... mr.meldrew
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12:43pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Vox populi says...

MrWXYZ wrote:
assume thats aimed at me as i'm only one aside from 'respectable' not defending him. Not a rabid anti speeder, but don't see why he should be above the law. He's had more than one conviction. If you know the law and choose to ignore it then surely you chance points. If you don't want to break the law but don't agree with speed limits then try to get them changed. I've seen the speedo comment before and its poor. A competent driver can drive at 30mph and watch the road. A driver not watching the road is driving with undue care and attention. You could say would you rather be in a car with a driver who has had 3 pints of beer, isn't remotely drunk and is driving sensibly (but admittedly will have slightly impaired reactions). Or in a car with someone speeding, not paying attention and tailgating? Its a no brainer for me but the safer driver of those 2 gets an automatic ban and committed a social wrong. The more dangerous driver gets 3 points and is classed socially acceptable.
Lewis Hamilton at 80mph or a doddery old grandad at 25mph. I'll take my choice thanks....

The only question you have raised here is competency and that it is a far greater factor in accidents than speed.

Therefore why is speed the only thing targetted rather than using education and training to improve competency. The answer is of course that one approach costs money and the other makes it. Simple really.
[quote][p][bold]MrWXYZ[/bold] wrote: assume thats aimed at me as i'm only one aside from 'respectable' not defending him. Not a rabid anti speeder, but don't see why he should be above the law. He's had more than one conviction. If you know the law and choose to ignore it then surely you chance points. If you don't want to break the law but don't agree with speed limits then try to get them changed. I've seen the speedo comment before and its poor. A competent driver can drive at 30mph and watch the road. A driver not watching the road is driving with undue care and attention. You could say would you rather be in a car with a driver who has had 3 pints of beer, isn't remotely drunk and is driving sensibly (but admittedly will have slightly impaired reactions). Or in a car with someone speeding, not paying attention and tailgating? Its a no brainer for me but the safer driver of those 2 gets an automatic ban and committed a social wrong. The more dangerous driver gets 3 points and is classed socially acceptable.[/p][/quote]Lewis Hamilton at 80mph or a doddery old grandad at 25mph. I'll take my choice thanks.... The only question you have raised here is competency and that it is a far greater factor in accidents than speed. Therefore why is speed the only thing targetted rather than using education and training to improve competency. The answer is of course that one approach costs money and the other makes it. Simple really. Vox populi
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7:35am Thu 15 Nov 12

MrWXYZ says...

Competency is a much more subjective thing. Obviously driving with undue care, or dangerous driving are offences and ones i feel underpoliced when you witness people on the roads - but your doddery old grandad at 25mph is probably doing neither of these. I'm all for compulsory retesting.
Speed limits have to be set assuming a reasonable competency. Unfortunately one of the defences of people that think they can blindly ignore them is that they are superior drivers.
It would be wonderful if people had common sense as the need for limits would be reduced as on a lot of roads the speed limit can be both slower than safe and too fast for safe depending on the stretch of road and circumstances.
Competency is a much more subjective thing. Obviously driving with undue care, or dangerous driving are offences and ones i feel underpoliced when you witness people on the roads - but your doddery old grandad at 25mph is probably doing neither of these. I'm all for compulsory retesting. Speed limits have to be set assuming a reasonable competency. Unfortunately one of the defences of people that think they can blindly ignore them is that they are superior drivers. It would be wonderful if people had common sense as the need for limits would be reduced as on a lot of roads the speed limit can be both slower than safe and too fast for safe depending on the stretch of road and circumstances. MrWXYZ
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12:22pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Vox populi says...

Really? Competency begins with eyesight in my book - not tested every year as it should be and accounts for a myriad of motorway shunts. This is closely followed by control of the vehicle and reactions. These are brain and motor functions that decline significantly with age. Still think your granddad is great?

Since when are speed limits set assuming any kind of competency? They are set by proximity of housing, crossings, traffic flow, schools, local pressure, accident history etc etc

The point is speed limits are set for the lowest possible common denominator, just above amoeba which is fine but generally the amoeba will ignore it anyway - they can't read so the sensible people with common sense as you call it suffer.

What your last paragraph asks people to do is assess the risk for themselves and match their speed apropriately - woo hoo whether that be 15mph outside a school or 80mph on the motorway.

Assessing that risk and adjusting behaviour takes education of amoebas which in turn improves their competency.... Its far from subjective.
Really? Competency begins with eyesight in my book - not tested every year as it should be and accounts for a myriad of motorway shunts. This is closely followed by control of the vehicle and reactions. These are brain and motor functions that decline significantly with age. Still think your granddad is great? Since when are speed limits set assuming any kind of competency? They are set by proximity of housing, crossings, traffic flow, schools, local pressure, accident history etc etc The point is speed limits are set for the lowest possible common denominator, just above amoeba which is fine but generally the amoeba will ignore it anyway - they can't read so the sensible people with common sense as you call it suffer. What your last paragraph asks people to do is assess the risk for themselves and match their speed apropriately - woo hoo whether that be 15mph outside a school or 80mph on the motorway. Assessing that risk and adjusting behaviour takes education of amoebas which in turn improves their competency.... Its far from subjective. Vox populi
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12:28pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Vox populi says...

http://www.worcester
news.co.uk/news/1003
9179.Crash_OAP_gives
_up_driving/

And as if to illustrate my point. Strangely not a single comment from the usual suspects on here that are ALWAYS quick to comment on any accident with a driver under 30!
http://www.worcester news.co.uk/news/1003 9179.Crash_OAP_gives _up_driving/ And as if to illustrate my point. Strangely not a single comment from the usual suspects on here that are ALWAYS quick to comment on any accident with a driver under 30! Vox populi
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