UKIP leader appeals for support during speech in Worcester

UKIP leader Nigel Farage was in Worcester tonight

UKIP leader Nigel Farage was in Worcester tonight

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Worcester News: Tom Edwards by , Political Reporter

UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage claimed young people are being wrongly “written off as lazy and useless” during a passionate speech in Worcester tonight.

In a packed standing-room only Q&A at the Guildhall, he also appealed for voters to “send a message” to Worcestershire County Council in next month’s local elections.

In front of a largely supportive audience, he insisted the party “is not racist” and insisted the “European project has failed”.

He also revealed UKIP is fielding 50 candidates in the upcoming County Hall count, 10 more than it originally confirmed had signed up in March.

“Nearly every voter in Worcestershire who wants to vote UKIP will have the chance to do so, I am pleased to say,” he said.

“We have council candidates prepared to ask questions.

"I want to know how many climate change officers they employ, how much they are spending on overseas interpretation, and how much fat can be cut at County Hall without affecting the front line.”

During a ranty, joke-filled speech he also mentioned former West Midlands MP Enoch Powell as part of the reason why the immigration debate has been diluted.

Mr Powell used an infamous speech back in 1968 to warn of the dangers of immigration, which was later labelled racist by critics.

“The language he used was a huge mistake, it killed off any sensible debate on immigration,” he said.

“Anyone who dares mention it is branded a racist, but we are not a racist party.”

On the subject of young people, he said the country was facing a “lost generation” of unemployment and blamed both the Government and EU for allowing immigrants to take jobs they could have had instead.

“Young people are being written off as lazy and useless, it’s got to stop,” he said.

He added: "We have got one million young people unemployed in this country, yet we've allowed people to come in from other countries to compete for jobs.

"There ARE young people who are lazy and useless in this country, just like there is in every other country too, but the majority want to get on in life and want to get a job, we should not be making it harder for them."

He also leapt on national media reports that a vote for UKIP would help Labour in future elections, calling it “rubbish”.

“Something is happening in British politics, because people can now see UKIP was right from the start, we should never have entered this European project,” he said.

Around 200 people packed the first floor of the Guildhall, and with more pouring in before the 7pm start it meant a smaller group had to be accommodated downstairs.

It led to Mr Farage addressing both floors in separate sessions.

During the Q&A he tackled  English devolution, Cyprus, incineration and wind turbine questions from the audience.

During one joke he advised people to not take any money with them if travelling to Cyprus, adding "you never know, they might take it off you".

He also said he favoured "our MPs voting on English issues in parliament without interference", and said he was against wind turbines.

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9:47pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Europeanist64 says...

Who exactly is labelling the young generation as "lazy and useless?" Another of Mr. Farage's apocryphals? The Daily Mail perhaps?

I work with many young people, and they certainly do stop me getting old. They are vibrant, aspirational and have hopes and dreams. The cuts do worry them, especially those to education and training.


The UK's electoral system will work against UKIP making any progress in a general election. Leaving the EU would be a dangerous and damaging move for the UK. We need to stay in because the EU is the worlds largest free trade economy.

There is an excellent assessment by the BBC's Robert Peston on what is wrong with the British Economy. Read this http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/business-22001

354 and it will certainly make you think again about leaving the EU.

Leaving the EU is not a "magic wand" solution for the UK's problems. Right-wing politicians like Nigel Farage and Tory Euro-sceptics want the trade benefits of the EU, but their main and hidden aim is to take away the social and employment rights of the British people, which we have as a result of EU law.

By the way, Enoch was clever and intelligent, but very wrong in his predictions on immigration. Rivers of blood never did flow in Britain. Ted Heath's assessment of him was very telling. "You have to realise and remember the damage Powell did as an Ulster Unionist in the 1980's."
Who exactly is labelling the young generation as "lazy and useless?" Another of Mr. Farage's apocryphals? The Daily Mail perhaps? I work with many young people, and they certainly do stop me getting old. They are vibrant, aspirational and have hopes and dreams. The cuts do worry them, especially those to education and training. The UK's electoral system will work against UKIP making any progress in a general election. Leaving the EU would be a dangerous and damaging move for the UK. We need to stay in because the EU is the worlds largest free trade economy. There is an excellent assessment by the BBC's Robert Peston on what is wrong with the British Economy. Read this http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-22001 354 and it will certainly make you think again about leaving the EU. Leaving the EU is not a "magic wand" solution for the UK's problems. Right-wing politicians like Nigel Farage and Tory Euro-sceptics want the trade benefits of the EU, but their main and hidden aim is to take away the social and employment rights of the British people, which we have as a result of EU law. By the way, Enoch was clever and intelligent, but very wrong in his predictions on immigration. Rivers of blood never did flow in Britain. Ted Heath's assessment of him was very telling. "You have to realise and remember the damage Powell did as an Ulster Unionist in the 1980's." Europeanist64
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9:54pm Wed 3 Apr 13

RogerLFC says...

There was a piece on this very Website last week having a go at the youth. Accusations levelled at the WN writer that it was a Daily Mail application.
There was a piece on this very Website last week having a go at the youth. Accusations levelled at the WN writer that it was a Daily Mail application. RogerLFC
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10:22pm Wed 3 Apr 13

steadymark says...

Interesting comments following the disgraceful article a few weeks ago in the very same Worcester news!! Sorry, I forgot, we should refrain the invitation to comment here because that will lead to yet another absurd article from the same reporter about the loss of rights to free speech!! (Just because he got an hard time).
Interesting comments following the disgraceful article a few weeks ago in the very same Worcester news!! Sorry, I forgot, we should refrain the invitation to comment here because that will lead to yet another absurd article from the same reporter about the loss of rights to free speech!! (Just because he got an hard time). steadymark
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9:36am Thu 4 Apr 13

Endconreignforever says...

Well written Europeanist64

I know i shouldn't rise to the bait but I can only speek from personal experience and as the son of a migrant parent that was born in Worcester and raised in Worcester. This man is a Racist and as Worcester was voted 8th most livable place in the country lets try and keep it that way. This is man is Bad for Worcester and bad for politics.

good job most sensilbe people in Worcs don't read this newspaper!
Well written Europeanist64 I know i shouldn't rise to the bait but I can only speek from personal experience and as the son of a migrant parent that was born in Worcester and raised in Worcester. This man is a Racist and as Worcester was voted 8th most livable place in the country lets try and keep it that way. This is man is Bad for Worcester and bad for politics. good job most sensilbe people in Worcs don't read this newspaper! Endconreignforever
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10:03am Thu 4 Apr 13

freedomanddemocracy says...

Endconreignforever said:

" This man is a Racist "

The days of labelling Farage, UKIP, or anyone else a "Racist" (including Lib/Lab/Con supporters) for having a concern about open-door immigration, and anyone believing that name calling are over!

Farage is married to a German, UKIP's Commonwealth spokesman Bajeer Bhutto is a Muslim, their media and culture spokesman Winston Mcenzie is West-Indian, and the vast majority of UKIP members are ex Lib/Lab/Con voters - have they all become "Racist" overnight?

People revert to name calling when they have lost the argument.
Endconreignforever said: " This man is a Racist " The days of labelling Farage, UKIP, or anyone else a "Racist" (including Lib/Lab/Con supporters) for having a concern about open-door immigration, and anyone believing that name calling are over! Farage is married to a German, UKIP's Commonwealth spokesman Bajeer Bhutto is a Muslim, their media and culture spokesman Winston Mcenzie is West-Indian, and the vast majority of UKIP members are ex Lib/Lab/Con voters - have they all become "Racist" overnight? People revert to name calling when they have lost the argument. freedomanddemocracy
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10:26am Thu 4 Apr 13

More Tea Vicar says...

Europeanist64 wrote:
Who exactly is labelling the young generation as "lazy and useless?" Another of Mr. Farage's apocryphals? The Daily Mail perhaps?

I work with many young people, and they certainly do stop me getting old. They are vibrant, aspirational and have hopes and dreams. The cuts do worry them, especially those to education and training.


The UK's electoral system will work against UKIP making any progress in a general election. Leaving the EU would be a dangerous and damaging move for the UK. We need to stay in because the EU is the worlds largest free trade economy.

There is an excellent assessment by the BBC's Robert Peston on what is wrong with the British Economy. Read this http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/business-22001


354 and it will certainly make you think again about leaving the EU.

Leaving the EU is not a "magic wand" solution for the UK's problems. Right-wing politicians like Nigel Farage and Tory Euro-sceptics want the trade benefits of the EU, but their main and hidden aim is to take away the social and employment rights of the British people, which we have as a result of EU law.

By the way, Enoch was clever and intelligent, but very wrong in his predictions on immigration. Rivers of blood never did flow in Britain. Ted Heath's assessment of him was very telling. "You have to realise and remember the damage Powell did as an Ulster Unionist in the 1980's."
Actually, we've had bombs and riots. There has been blood.

And it is the pro-immigration lobby that has constantly stated that we 'need' immigration to do the jobs that 'we' are too lazy to do.

The argument always was nonsense, but it was one made largely by the left, not the Mail etc.

Most people knew it was rubbish all along, which is why immigration is so unpopular. People see the problems it brings, and realise that the reasoning behind it is nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]Europeanist64[/bold] wrote: Who exactly is labelling the young generation as "lazy and useless?" Another of Mr. Farage's apocryphals? The Daily Mail perhaps? I work with many young people, and they certainly do stop me getting old. They are vibrant, aspirational and have hopes and dreams. The cuts do worry them, especially those to education and training. The UK's electoral system will work against UKIP making any progress in a general election. Leaving the EU would be a dangerous and damaging move for the UK. We need to stay in because the EU is the worlds largest free trade economy. There is an excellent assessment by the BBC's Robert Peston on what is wrong with the British Economy. Read this http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-22001 354 and it will certainly make you think again about leaving the EU. Leaving the EU is not a "magic wand" solution for the UK's problems. Right-wing politicians like Nigel Farage and Tory Euro-sceptics want the trade benefits of the EU, but their main and hidden aim is to take away the social and employment rights of the British people, which we have as a result of EU law. By the way, Enoch was clever and intelligent, but very wrong in his predictions on immigration. Rivers of blood never did flow in Britain. Ted Heath's assessment of him was very telling. "You have to realise and remember the damage Powell did as an Ulster Unionist in the 1980's."[/p][/quote]Actually, we've had bombs and riots. There has been blood. And it is the pro-immigration lobby that has constantly stated that we 'need' immigration to do the jobs that 'we' are too lazy to do. The argument always was nonsense, but it was one made largely by the left, not the Mail etc. Most people knew it was rubbish all along, which is why immigration is so unpopular. People see the problems it brings, and realise that the reasoning behind it is nonsense. More Tea Vicar
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11:09am Thu 4 Apr 13

Pomygranit says...

UKIP have very little if any idea about local government.
A couple of weeks ago one of their local candidates was interviewed on the radio, I forget his name, but he was clueless, could not understand any issue, was incapable of any rational arguement waste of space. I hesitate to say like his leader. Nigel Farage is clever, like Alex Salmon, can sell one policy and no one really seems to question them, thoroughly, on the the broader picture.
UKIP have very little if any idea about local government. A couple of weeks ago one of their local candidates was interviewed on the radio, I forget his name, but he was clueless, could not understand any issue, was incapable of any rational arguement waste of space. I hesitate to say like his leader. Nigel Farage is clever, like Alex Salmon, can sell one policy and no one really seems to question them, thoroughly, on the the broader picture. Pomygranit
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11:19am Thu 4 Apr 13

CJH says...

More Tea Vicar wrote:
Europeanist64 wrote:
Who exactly is labelling the young generation as "lazy and useless?" Another of Mr. Farage's apocryphals? The Daily Mail perhaps?

I work with many young people, and they certainly do stop me getting old. They are vibrant, aspirational and have hopes and dreams. The cuts do worry them, especially those to education and training.


The UK's electoral system will work against UKIP making any progress in a general election. Leaving the EU would be a dangerous and damaging move for the UK. We need to stay in because the EU is the worlds largest free trade economy.

There is an excellent assessment by the BBC's Robert Peston on what is wrong with the British Economy. Read this http://www.bbc.co.uk



/news/business-22001



354 and it will certainly make you think again about leaving the EU.

Leaving the EU is not a "magic wand" solution for the UK's problems. Right-wing politicians like Nigel Farage and Tory Euro-sceptics want the trade benefits of the EU, but their main and hidden aim is to take away the social and employment rights of the British people, which we have as a result of EU law.

By the way, Enoch was clever and intelligent, but very wrong in his predictions on immigration. Rivers of blood never did flow in Britain. Ted Heath's assessment of him was very telling. "You have to realise and remember the damage Powell did as an Ulster Unionist in the 1980's."
Actually, we've had bombs and riots. There has been blood.

And it is the pro-immigration lobby that has constantly stated that we 'need' immigration to do the jobs that 'we' are too lazy to do.

The argument always was nonsense, but it was one made largely by the left, not the Mail etc.

Most people knew it was rubbish all along, which is why immigration is so unpopular. People see the problems it brings, and realise that the reasoning behind it is nonsense.
"Actually, we've had bombs and riots. There has been blood" What country doesn't? But we're not exactly Basra or Beirut are we?
[quote][p][bold]More Tea Vicar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Europeanist64[/bold] wrote: Who exactly is labelling the young generation as "lazy and useless?" Another of Mr. Farage's apocryphals? The Daily Mail perhaps? I work with many young people, and they certainly do stop me getting old. They are vibrant, aspirational and have hopes and dreams. The cuts do worry them, especially those to education and training. The UK's electoral system will work against UKIP making any progress in a general election. Leaving the EU would be a dangerous and damaging move for the UK. We need to stay in because the EU is the worlds largest free trade economy. There is an excellent assessment by the BBC's Robert Peston on what is wrong with the British Economy. Read this http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-22001 354 and it will certainly make you think again about leaving the EU. Leaving the EU is not a "magic wand" solution for the UK's problems. Right-wing politicians like Nigel Farage and Tory Euro-sceptics want the trade benefits of the EU, but their main and hidden aim is to take away the social and employment rights of the British people, which we have as a result of EU law. By the way, Enoch was clever and intelligent, but very wrong in his predictions on immigration. Rivers of blood never did flow in Britain. Ted Heath's assessment of him was very telling. "You have to realise and remember the damage Powell did as an Ulster Unionist in the 1980's."[/p][/quote]Actually, we've had bombs and riots. There has been blood. And it is the pro-immigration lobby that has constantly stated that we 'need' immigration to do the jobs that 'we' are too lazy to do. The argument always was nonsense, but it was one made largely by the left, not the Mail etc. Most people knew it was rubbish all along, which is why immigration is so unpopular. People see the problems it brings, and realise that the reasoning behind it is nonsense.[/p][/quote]"Actually, we've had bombs and riots. There has been blood" What country doesn't? But we're not exactly Basra or Beirut are we? CJH
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11:46am Thu 4 Apr 13

Jabbadad says...

I follow both Local and National politics, and am quite capable of forming opinions of my own. Having attended most political meetings at the Guildhall and locals venues over the past 30 years I have never experienced such a large number of concerned people (NOT RACISTS) who attended the Nigel Farage UKIP Worcester meeting April 3rd.
Due to the numbers attending, Nigel also addressed those unable to get into the main meeting,but who were able to listen via the tannoy system.
I fully understand the anti Farage comments here from the other political party supporters, since in Farage we have at last someone who is looking and listening to those who also have the best interests of England at heart.
Those attending were like me sick of listening to Cameron promising a referendum on a carefully crafted question if we vote the NASTY TORIES back into power for another term to continue the assault on the poor while giving to the rich. Or we have the Labour party still deeply into Socialist principals who are totally supportive of the EU and not even considering a free Vote on the EU, as of course the same views of the LIB/LAB/DEM/TORIES.
So if I were the part of the political opposition I would be deeply concerned since Nigel Farage is reaching out to the real English NOT RACIST people who simply want our country back from the un-elected control of Brussels.
I follow both Local and National politics, and am quite capable of forming opinions of my own. Having attended most political meetings at the Guildhall and locals venues over the past 30 years I have never experienced such a large number of concerned people (NOT RACISTS) who attended the Nigel Farage UKIP Worcester meeting April 3rd. Due to the numbers attending, Nigel also addressed those unable to get into the main meeting,but who were able to listen via the tannoy system. I fully understand the anti Farage comments here from the other political party supporters, since in Farage we have at last someone who is looking and listening to those who also have the best interests of England at heart. Those attending were like me sick of listening to Cameron promising a referendum on a carefully crafted question if we vote the NASTY TORIES back into power for another term to continue the assault on the poor while giving to the rich. Or we have the Labour party still deeply into Socialist principals who are totally supportive of the EU and not even considering a free Vote on the EU, as of course the same views of the LIB/LAB/DEM/TORIES. So if I were the part of the political opposition I would be deeply concerned since Nigel Farage is reaching out to the real English NOT RACIST people who simply want our country back from the un-elected control of Brussels. Jabbadad
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1:29pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Landy44 says...

The man is a bit of a joke isn't he. Branding all young people with that tag is massively over generalising, and whilst some are lazy, many are hard working. One cannot generalise, but should encourage the strivers.

UKIP are, like the greens "single issue", and whilst none of the current political parties have an ounce of common sense and intelligence amongst them, god forbid us if UKIP ever got in (thankfully that is unlikely).

But UK membership of the EU IS a serious issue that needs careful debate and discussion without political spin (chance would be a fine thing).

I tend to believe that the current approach isn't working and we have as I heard Lord Digby Jones say recently "shackled ourselves to the dying" (or something along those lines).

This century doesn't belong to the West. It belongs to Asia and the East and we would do well to work out how to trade with those countries first, and Europe second.

Are we better off repatriating "powers" from Brussels - YOU BET WE ARE - ABSOLUTELY. But we should try to retain trade agreements with our nearest neighbours whilst diversifying our trading influence.

Immigration? Well it's been too easy to get into the UK for too long, and too easy to take advantage of the UK welfare state. The current situation does need to change, because basically whoever you are, the UK is over populated and getting poorer by the second. BUT controlled immigration along the lines of how Australia do it could be very productive and fulfilling for all parties.

So whilst Mr Farage may be his usually bumbling self making erroneous grand remarks - we do need to consider the issues, then act, before time runs out.
The man is a bit of a joke isn't he. Branding all young people with that tag is massively over generalising, and whilst some are lazy, many are hard working. One cannot generalise, but should encourage the strivers. UKIP are, like the greens "single issue", and whilst none of the current political parties have an ounce of common sense and intelligence amongst them, god forbid us if UKIP ever got in (thankfully that is unlikely). But UK membership of the EU IS a serious issue that needs careful debate and discussion without political spin (chance would be a fine thing). I tend to believe that the current approach isn't working and we have as I heard Lord Digby Jones say recently "shackled ourselves to the dying" (or something along those lines). This century doesn't belong to the West. It belongs to Asia and the East and we would do well to work out how to trade with those countries first, and Europe second. Are we better off repatriating "powers" from Brussels - YOU BET WE ARE - ABSOLUTELY. But we should try to retain trade agreements with our nearest neighbours whilst diversifying our trading influence. Immigration? Well it's been too easy to get into the UK for too long, and too easy to take advantage of the UK welfare state. The current situation does need to change, because basically whoever you are, the UK is over populated and getting poorer by the second. BUT controlled immigration along the lines of how Australia do it could be very productive and fulfilling for all parties. So whilst Mr Farage may be his usually bumbling self making erroneous grand remarks - we do need to consider the issues, then act, before time runs out. Landy44
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1:40pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Tommym says...

Branding Ukip and it's supporters as 'racists' really is clutching at straws.
I would suggest Ukip are gaining all this support from people deeply worried about this country and see Ukip as the only party prepared to act on these concerns and not just soundbytes we hear from the other parties.
Branding Ukip and it's supporters as 'racists' really is clutching at straws. I would suggest Ukip are gaining all this support from people deeply worried about this country and see Ukip as the only party prepared to act on these concerns and not just soundbytes we hear from the other parties. Tommym
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1:48pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Stephen Brown says...

I strongly disagree with what Landy44 says about the Greens being a single issue party. Go take a look at our manifesto and you will find a breadth of policies including Europe, economy, education, justice, health.

We are a pro-referendum and EU reform party but one that thinks staying in Europe is in our long term interests but for the good of all. UKIP and the tories have many things in common - including reducing employment rights whether in or out of Europe.

The Greens get involved in many issues locally and nationally and our agenda, unlike those of the current Government, is about policies promoting fairness and economics based on sustainability. How is that single issue?
I strongly disagree with what Landy44 says about the Greens being a single issue party. Go take a look at our manifesto and you will find a breadth of policies including Europe, economy, education, justice, health. We are a pro-referendum and EU reform party but one that thinks staying in Europe is in our long term interests but for the good of all. UKIP and the tories have many things in common - including reducing employment rights whether in or out of Europe. The Greens get involved in many issues locally and nationally and our agenda, unlike those of the current Government, is about policies promoting fairness and economics based on sustainability. How is that single issue? Stephen Brown
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1:54pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Tommym says...

Landyy44 you seem to have mis interpreted what the reporter as written.
Quote“Young people are being written off as lazy and useless, it’s got to stop,” he said.

He added: "We have got one million young people unemployed in this country, yet we've allowed people to come in from other countries to compete for jobs.

"There ARE young people who are lazy and useless in this country, just like there is in every other country too, but the majority want to get on in life and want to get a job, we should not be making it harder for them.".
Landyy44 you seem to have mis interpreted what the reporter as written. Quote“Young people are being written off as lazy and useless, it’s got to stop,” he said. He added: "We have got one million young people unemployed in this country, yet we've allowed people to come in from other countries to compete for jobs. "There ARE young people who are lazy and useless in this country, just like there is in every other country too, but the majority want to get on in life and want to get a job, we should not be making it harder for them.". Tommym
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2:05pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Jabbadad says...

And Nigel Farage when talking about the young people last night he DID NOT WRITE THEM ALL OFF AS BEING NON WORKERS, in fact his description was that all country's have some young people that don't want work but the majority in this country DO WANT WORK, it's just that the jobs aren't there.young.
And watch this space for UKIP.
And Nigel Farage when talking about the young people last night he DID NOT WRITE THEM ALL OFF AS BEING NON WORKERS, in fact his description was that all country's have some young people that don't want work but the majority in this country DO WANT WORK, it's just that the jobs aren't there.young. And watch this space for UKIP. Jabbadad
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2:12pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Lumberjack says...

I am not a fan of UKIP and disagree with much of what they stand for, and unless they embark on a radical policy change, they will not attract my vote.

However, I cannot help feeling they are a positive thing for democracy and that maybe the established parties could learn a thing or two from them.

UKIP as the underdog in the coming council election, have no option but to put a huge amount of energy into their campaign. It is good to see a leader of a political party coming to Worcester to fight for our votes.

The alternative's offered in our incumbent councillors make unattractive offering compared to this level of energy and drive.

My optimism as to their positive impact on democracy, will, no doubt, suffer its usual disappointment, when the same crusty, old, out of touch councillors are wheeled out again, and about a quarter of eligible voters, make it as far as a polling station, to blindly vote for the same old coloured rosette as they have always done, without questioning the policy or the individual. This leaving the people of Worcestershire with the same unimaginative politics that we have had for years before, the only difference being the scale of public service cuts on offer this time.

So I say well done UKIP for offering an alternative, but if you get the chance, vote for an independent candidate.
I am not a fan of UKIP and disagree with much of what they stand for, and unless they embark on a radical policy change, they will not attract my vote. However, I cannot help feeling they are a positive thing for democracy and that maybe the established parties could learn a thing or two from them. UKIP as the underdog in the coming council election, have no option but to put a huge amount of energy into their campaign. It is good to see a leader of a political party coming to Worcester to fight for our votes. The alternative's offered in our incumbent councillors make unattractive offering compared to this level of energy and drive. My optimism as to their positive impact on democracy, will, no doubt, suffer its usual disappointment, when the same crusty, old, out of touch councillors are wheeled out again, and about a quarter of eligible voters, make it as far as a polling station, to blindly vote for the same old coloured rosette as they have always done, without questioning the policy or the individual. This leaving the people of Worcestershire with the same unimaginative politics that we have had for years before, the only difference being the scale of public service cuts on offer this time. So I say well done UKIP for offering an alternative, but if you get the chance, vote for an independent candidate. Lumberjack
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3:26pm Thu 4 Apr 13

JaxiB66 says...

I would like to have gone last night - whenever I've seen Nigel Farage on TV he's seemed to talk a lot of plain old common sense about most issues which concern the average person, unlike most of today's politicians.
One thing I'd like to point out is that I don't see how anyone can brand UKIP as "racists" - a word seemingly bandied about to shut someone with a different opinion up - blithly calling someone "racist" is a little bit of an old-hat reflex action. Sensible management shouldn't be confused with racism,.
I feel, as do most people I know, that the UK does need to curb, albeit temporarily, the influx of people arriving in the country - this is a sensible measure for our tiny and already over populated island, it is certainly not racist, just common sense. This is also what other country's do, so why not the UK?
I do feel some concern regarding the overstretching of hospitals and schools etc, at the present time, and wonder how much worse it could get if we continue to allow new people in - where will the housing and school places appear from, and can we afford to keep on building new hospitals, schools, roads, not to mention decent homes to accomodate a vast quantity of extra citizens?
Just a thought.
Maybe the whole system could eventually collapse if it becomes even more over-burdened, who knows, but it's not worth testing the possibility out.
By the way, I have absolutely no problem with immigrants or foriegners, I have some very hard working Indian friends, Nigerian friends who are diligently studying here, (and a Basque sister-in-law in Spain); but I don't think it is particularly wise to continue allowing this heavy flow of entrants, I think the tap should be turned down somewhat, at least for the present time, especially and until the country is on a sturdier financial footing.
I would like to have gone last night - whenever I've seen Nigel Farage on TV he's seemed to talk a lot of plain old common sense about most issues which concern the average person, unlike most of today's politicians. One thing I'd like to point out is that I don't see how anyone can brand UKIP as "racists" - a word seemingly bandied about to shut someone with a different opinion up - blithly calling someone "racist" is a little bit of an old-hat reflex action. Sensible management shouldn't be confused with racism,. I feel, as do most people I know, that the UK does need to curb, albeit temporarily, the influx of people arriving in the country - this is a sensible measure for our tiny and already over populated island, it is certainly not racist, just common sense. This is also what other country's do, so why not the UK? I do feel some concern regarding the overstretching of hospitals and schools etc, at the present time, and wonder how much worse it could get if we continue to allow new people in - where will the housing and school places appear from, and can we afford to keep on building new hospitals, schools, roads, not to mention decent homes to accomodate a vast quantity of extra citizens? Just a thought. Maybe the whole system could eventually collapse if it becomes even more over-burdened, who knows, but it's not worth testing the possibility out. By the way, I have absolutely no problem with immigrants or foriegners, I have some very hard working Indian friends, Nigerian friends who are diligently studying here, (and a Basque sister-in-law in Spain); but I don't think it is particularly wise to continue allowing this heavy flow of entrants, I think the tap should be turned down somewhat, at least for the present time, especially and until the country is on a sturdier financial footing. JaxiB66
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4:19pm Thu 4 Apr 13

outside-edge says...

Europeanist64 wrote:
Who exactly is labelling the young generation as "lazy and useless?" Another of Mr. Farage's apocryphals? The Daily Mail perhaps?

I work with many young people, and they certainly do stop me getting old. They are vibrant, aspirational and have hopes and dreams. The cuts do worry them, especially those to education and training.


The UK's electoral system will work against UKIP making any progress in a general election. Leaving the EU would be a dangerous and damaging move for the UK. We need to stay in because the EU is the worlds largest free trade economy.

There is an excellent assessment by the BBC's Robert Peston on what is wrong with the British Economy. Read this http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/business-22001


354 and it will certainly make you think again about leaving the EU.

Leaving the EU is not a "magic wand" solution for the UK's problems. Right-wing politicians like Nigel Farage and Tory Euro-sceptics want the trade benefits of the EU, but their main and hidden aim is to take away the social and employment rights of the British people, which we have as a result of EU law.

By the way, Enoch was clever and intelligent, but very wrong in his predictions on immigration. Rivers of blood never did flow in Britain. Ted Heath's assessment of him was very telling. "You have to realise and remember the damage Powell did as an Ulster Unionist in the 1980's."
UKIP are a one trick Party.
What needs to be questioned is what else they believe in/stand for and what happens if they get elected?

They could be a Trojan Horse for some very extreme policies that nobody signed up for.

The arguments over whether we stay in Europe or not, I fear will be based on emotions rather than facts, by those that still believe in the days of the old Empire and an omnipotence we no longer possess.

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[quote][p][bold]Europeanist64[/bold] wrote: Who exactly is labelling the young generation as "lazy and useless?" Another of Mr. Farage's apocryphals? The Daily Mail perhaps? I work with many young people, and they certainly do stop me getting old. They are vibrant, aspirational and have hopes and dreams. The cuts do worry them, especially those to education and training. The UK's electoral system will work against UKIP making any progress in a general election. Leaving the EU would be a dangerous and damaging move for the UK. We need to stay in because the EU is the worlds largest free trade economy. There is an excellent assessment by the BBC's Robert Peston on what is wrong with the British Economy. Read this http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-22001 354 and it will certainly make you think again about leaving the EU. Leaving the EU is not a "magic wand" solution for the UK's problems. Right-wing politicians like Nigel Farage and Tory Euro-sceptics want the trade benefits of the EU, but their main and hidden aim is to take away the social and employment rights of the British people, which we have as a result of EU law. By the way, Enoch was clever and intelligent, but very wrong in his predictions on immigration. Rivers of blood never did flow in Britain. Ted Heath's assessment of him was very telling. "You have to realise and remember the damage Powell did as an Ulster Unionist in the 1980's."[/p][/quote]UKIP are a one trick Party. What needs to be questioned is what else they believe in/stand for and what happens if they get elected? They could be a Trojan Horse for some very extreme policies that nobody signed up for. The arguments over whether we stay in Europe or not, I fear will be based on emotions rather than facts, by those that still believe in the days of the old Empire and an omnipotence we no longer possess. . outside-edge
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4:25pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Doogie 46 says...

I`m a long way from making up my mind about UKIP but they must be doing something right when those who are obviously of a left wing leaning start smearing them - it`s what the left do when they`ve lost the argument.
The Lib-Dems will be no great loss when they are bumped aside by UKIP.
I`m a long way from making up my mind about UKIP but they must be doing something right when those who are obviously of a left wing leaning start smearing them - it`s what the left do when they`ve lost the argument. The Lib-Dems will be no great loss when they are bumped aside by UKIP. Doogie 46
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4:58pm Thu 4 Apr 13

DeBrian Thronker says...

@ outside-edge,

Oooh, imagine a political party introducing parties that no-one signed up for. Labour and the Tories would never dream of doing that, would they? They always stick to their manifesto to the letter...
@ outside-edge, Oooh, imagine a political party introducing parties that no-one signed up for. Labour and the Tories would never dream of doing that, would they? They always stick to their manifesto to the letter... DeBrian Thronker
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5:53pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Tommym says...

Some people make a big issue about Ukip being a 'one trick pony'.
These people are ill informed and if they had a genuine interest other than mud slinging they would have real issues to debate.
The information is available use it.
Some people make a big issue about Ukip being a 'one trick pony'. These people are ill informed and if they had a genuine interest other than mud slinging they would have real issues to debate. The information is available use it. Tommym
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6:44pm Thu 4 Apr 13

outside-edge says...

DeBrian Thronker wrote:
@ outside-edge,

Oooh, imagine a political party introducing parties that no-one signed up for. Labour and the Tories would never dream of doing that, would they? They always stick to their manifesto to the letter...
LOL Too true!
But can anyone tell me where UKIP stands on Fiscal policy for keeping inflation low, creating jobs, Transport, Foreign Policy. Defence, Social Care, Health, Education & Schools Curriculum, Environment, Law & Order, Research & Science, Care for the Elderley etc etc
[quote][p][bold]DeBrian Thronker[/bold] wrote: @ outside-edge, Oooh, imagine a political party introducing parties that no-one signed up for. Labour and the Tories would never dream of doing that, would they? They always stick to their manifesto to the letter...[/p][/quote]LOL Too true! But can anyone tell me where UKIP stands on Fiscal policy for keeping inflation low, creating jobs, Transport, Foreign Policy. Defence, Social Care, Health, Education & Schools Curriculum, Environment, Law & Order, Research & Science, Care for the Elderley etc etc outside-edge
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6:50pm Thu 4 Apr 13

outside-edge says...

Tommym wrote:
Some people make a big issue about Ukip being a 'one trick pony'.
These people are ill informed and if they had a genuine interest other than mud slinging they would have real issues to debate.
The information is available use it.
But UKIP have no other policies other than Europe & Immigration unless you know otherwise? Do tell......
[quote][p][bold]Tommym[/bold] wrote: Some people make a big issue about Ukip being a 'one trick pony'. These people are ill informed and if they had a genuine interest other than mud slinging they would have real issues to debate. The information is available use it.[/p][/quote]But UKIP have no other policies other than Europe & Immigration unless you know otherwise? Do tell...... outside-edge
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6:52pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Tommym says...

I am not your skivvy the information is freely available on the web USE IT!!!.
I am not your skivvy the information is freely available on the web USE IT!!!. Tommym
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7:05pm Thu 4 Apr 13

PrivateSi says...

As someone who doesn't believe in Representative Democracy the Farage guildhall appearance only confirmed this belief - and the man did an admiral job... I do agree with withdrawal from the Eurozone and a halt to all non-highly skilled immigration so it's UKIP for me..

Real Direct Democracy - votes on important issues & laws.
As someone who doesn't believe in Representative Democracy the Farage guildhall appearance only confirmed this belief - and the man did an admiral job... I do agree with withdrawal from the Eurozone and a halt to all non-highly skilled immigration so it's UKIP for me.. Real Direct Democracy - votes on important issues & laws. PrivateSi
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8:09pm Thu 4 Apr 13

outside-edge says...

Tommym wrote:
I am not your skivvy the information is freely available on the web USE IT!!!.
Obviously you don't know what it is either, and that is because they don't have any other policies other than Immigration & Europe! LOL!
[quote][p][bold]Tommym[/bold] wrote: I am not your skivvy the information is freely available on the web USE IT!!!.[/p][/quote]Obviously you don't know what it is either, and that is because they don't have any other policies other than Immigration & Europe! LOL! outside-edge
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9:04pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Tommym says...

Obvious comeback outside-edge a bit dated and predictable just like the party you support no doubt.
Did you watch the local news tonight with Ukip in Stafford,they mentioned a few policies.
The Labour party are still trying to get it right 113yrs down the road!!.
Tax the rich that's a good idea!!.
Obvious comeback outside-edge a bit dated and predictable just like the party you support no doubt. Did you watch the local news tonight with Ukip in Stafford,they mentioned a few policies. The Labour party are still trying to get it right 113yrs down the road!!. Tax the rich that's a good idea!!. Tommym
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9:10pm Thu 4 Apr 13

freedomanddemocracy says...

outside-edge wrote:
DeBrian Thronker wrote:
@ outside-edge,

Oooh, imagine a political party introducing parties that no-one signed up for. Labour and the Tories would never dream of doing that, would they? They always stick to their manifesto to the letter...
LOL Too true!
But can anyone tell me where UKIP stands on Fiscal policy for keeping inflation low, creating jobs, Transport, Foreign Policy. Defence, Social Care, Health, Education & Schools Curriculum, Environment, Law & Order, Research & Science, Care for the Elderley etc etc
Blimey, it's amazing that you can use a computer or mobile phone yet can't access www.ukip.org to find out!
[quote][p][bold]outside-edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DeBrian Thronker[/bold] wrote: @ outside-edge, Oooh, imagine a political party introducing parties that no-one signed up for. Labour and the Tories would never dream of doing that, would they? They always stick to their manifesto to the letter...[/p][/quote]LOL Too true! But can anyone tell me where UKIP stands on Fiscal policy for keeping inflation low, creating jobs, Transport, Foreign Policy. Defence, Social Care, Health, Education & Schools Curriculum, Environment, Law & Order, Research & Science, Care for the Elderley etc etc[/p][/quote]Blimey, it's amazing that you can use a computer or mobile phone yet can't access www.ukip.org to find out! freedomanddemocracy
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9:24pm Thu 4 Apr 13

John Herbert Smith says...

UKIP have loads of other common sense policies other than the EU!

*reintroducing Grammar Schools, so everyone in Worcester has access to the high standards of RGS/ Kings, not just the rich; this helps social mobility and gets the best talent to the top so we can compete in the world

*no more windfarms (obvious reasons, they are useless)

*no toll roads (the M6 Toll has been a complete disaster and the Severn Tolls are essentially a tax holding South Wales back)

*cutting red tape and bureaucracy to enable businesses to thrive

*of course, less immigration. How does it make sense for millions more people to come here, when we have no homes, no jobs, no seats on trains, no roadspace, no hospitals and no schools for them. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, IT'S GOT TO STOP.
UKIP have loads of other common sense policies other than the EU! *reintroducing Grammar Schools, so everyone in Worcester has access to the high standards of RGS/ Kings, not just the rich; this helps social mobility and gets the best talent to the top so we can compete in the world *no more windfarms (obvious reasons, they are useless) *no toll roads (the M6 Toll has been a complete disaster and the Severn Tolls are essentially a tax holding South Wales back) *cutting red tape and bureaucracy to enable businesses to thrive *of course, less immigration. How does it make sense for millions more people to come here, when we have no homes, no jobs, no seats on trains, no roadspace, no hospitals and no schools for them. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, IT'S GOT TO STOP. John Herbert Smith
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10:37pm Thu 4 Apr 13

HenryEigth says...

Enoch Powell will be right, who is to say his time is up. I think you nay sayers had better focus your minds on Europe when she crashes, then there will be no money and we'll see just how tolerant society is then.
Enoch Powell will be right, who is to say his time is up. I think you nay sayers had better focus your minds on Europe when she crashes, then there will be no money and we'll see just how tolerant society is then. HenryEigth
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11:50pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Lew Smoralz says...

Mr farages speech was like a breath of fresh air on the stale and exhausted political scene of Worcester.

The Lib/Lab/Con parties have run out of ideas and all that they can do is lie, twist, and spin as they desparately try to cling to power. It is sickening to watch the Westminster farce, and the Brussels soap is no better; in fact that is even worse.

In his Worcester speech, Mr Farage called the EU a failed experiment, which sums it up totally, and because the medicracy in Brussels cannot even see where they have failed dismally it offers little hope of ever being corrected.

I will be voting UKIP at the next election, as I want a better UK than what we have for my grandchildren! I don't think it is practical or desirable to expect to get back what we had 20-30 years ago, but UKIP can see where we went wrong and have policies designed to make radical changes, unlike LibLabCon who have run out of ideas and passion.
Mr farages speech was like a breath of fresh air on the stale and exhausted political scene of Worcester. The Lib/Lab/Con parties have run out of ideas and all that they can do is lie, twist, and spin as they desparately try to cling to power. It is sickening to watch the Westminster farce, and the Brussels soap is no better; in fact that is even worse. In his Worcester speech, Mr Farage called the EU a failed experiment, which sums it up totally, and because the medicracy in Brussels cannot even see where they have failed dismally it offers little hope of ever being corrected. I will be voting UKIP at the next election, as I want a better UK than what we have for my grandchildren! I don't think it is practical or desirable to expect to get back what we had 20-30 years ago, but UKIP can see where we went wrong and have policies designed to make radical changes, unlike LibLabCon who have run out of ideas and passion. Lew Smoralz
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1:16am Fri 5 Apr 13

Jabbadad says...

Here Here Lew.
Here Here Lew. Jabbadad
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11:34am Fri 5 Apr 13

More Tea Vicar says...

CJH wrote:
More Tea Vicar wrote:
Europeanist64 wrote:
Who exactly is labelling the young generation as "lazy and useless?" Another of Mr. Farage's apocryphals? The Daily Mail perhaps?

I work with many young people, and they certainly do stop me getting old. They are vibrant, aspirational and have hopes and dreams. The cuts do worry them, especially those to education and training.


The UK's electoral system will work against UKIP making any progress in a general election. Leaving the EU would be a dangerous and damaging move for the UK. We need to stay in because the EU is the worlds largest free trade economy.

There is an excellent assessment by the BBC's Robert Peston on what is wrong with the British Economy. Read this http://www.bbc.co.uk




/news/business-22001




354 and it will certainly make you think again about leaving the EU.

Leaving the EU is not a "magic wand" solution for the UK's problems. Right-wing politicians like Nigel Farage and Tory Euro-sceptics want the trade benefits of the EU, but their main and hidden aim is to take away the social and employment rights of the British people, which we have as a result of EU law.

By the way, Enoch was clever and intelligent, but very wrong in his predictions on immigration. Rivers of blood never did flow in Britain. Ted Heath's assessment of him was very telling. "You have to realise and remember the damage Powell did as an Ulster Unionist in the 1980's."
Actually, we've had bombs and riots. There has been blood.

And it is the pro-immigration lobby that has constantly stated that we 'need' immigration to do the jobs that 'we' are too lazy to do.

The argument always was nonsense, but it was one made largely by the left, not the Mail etc.

Most people knew it was rubbish all along, which is why immigration is so unpopular. People see the problems it brings, and realise that the reasoning behind it is nonsense.
"Actually, we've had bombs and riots. There has been blood" What country doesn't? But we're not exactly Basra or Beirut are we?
Oh, that's all right then. I expect that's a lot of comfort to the victims.
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Tea Vicar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Europeanist64[/bold] wrote: Who exactly is labelling the young generation as "lazy and useless?" Another of Mr. Farage's apocryphals? The Daily Mail perhaps? I work with many young people, and they certainly do stop me getting old. They are vibrant, aspirational and have hopes and dreams. The cuts do worry them, especially those to education and training. The UK's electoral system will work against UKIP making any progress in a general election. Leaving the EU would be a dangerous and damaging move for the UK. We need to stay in because the EU is the worlds largest free trade economy. There is an excellent assessment by the BBC's Robert Peston on what is wrong with the British Economy. Read this http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-22001 354 and it will certainly make you think again about leaving the EU. Leaving the EU is not a "magic wand" solution for the UK's problems. Right-wing politicians like Nigel Farage and Tory Euro-sceptics want the trade benefits of the EU, but their main and hidden aim is to take away the social and employment rights of the British people, which we have as a result of EU law. By the way, Enoch was clever and intelligent, but very wrong in his predictions on immigration. Rivers of blood never did flow in Britain. Ted Heath's assessment of him was very telling. "You have to realise and remember the damage Powell did as an Ulster Unionist in the 1980's."[/p][/quote]Actually, we've had bombs and riots. There has been blood. And it is the pro-immigration lobby that has constantly stated that we 'need' immigration to do the jobs that 'we' are too lazy to do. The argument always was nonsense, but it was one made largely by the left, not the Mail etc. Most people knew it was rubbish all along, which is why immigration is so unpopular. People see the problems it brings, and realise that the reasoning behind it is nonsense.[/p][/quote]"Actually, we've had bombs and riots. There has been blood" What country doesn't? But we're not exactly Basra or Beirut are we?[/p][/quote]Oh, that's all right then. I expect that's a lot of comfort to the victims. More Tea Vicar
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11:38am Fri 5 Apr 13

More Tea Vicar says...

Landy44 wrote:
The man is a bit of a joke isn't he. Branding all young people with that tag is massively over generalising, and whilst some are lazy, many are hard working. One cannot generalise, but should encourage the strivers.

UKIP are, like the greens "single issue", and whilst none of the current political parties have an ounce of common sense and intelligence amongst them, god forbid us if UKIP ever got in (thankfully that is unlikely).

But UK membership of the EU IS a serious issue that needs careful debate and discussion without political spin (chance would be a fine thing).

I tend to believe that the current approach isn't working and we have as I heard Lord Digby Jones say recently "shackled ourselves to the dying" (or something along those lines).

This century doesn't belong to the West. It belongs to Asia and the East and we would do well to work out how to trade with those countries first, and Europe second.

Are we better off repatriating "powers" from Brussels - YOU BET WE ARE - ABSOLUTELY. But we should try to retain trade agreements with our nearest neighbours whilst diversifying our trading influence.

Immigration? Well it's been too easy to get into the UK for too long, and too easy to take advantage of the UK welfare state. The current situation does need to change, because basically whoever you are, the UK is over populated and getting poorer by the second. BUT controlled immigration along the lines of how Australia do it could be very productive and fulfilling for all parties.

So whilst Mr Farage may be his usually bumbling self making erroneous grand remarks - we do need to consider the issues, then act, before time runs out.
No, because he precisely did NOT brand young people with that tag. He was criticising those who attempt to justify immigration by make racist slurs about the indigenous population's young people.

If anyone's a joke, it's those who misunderstood what he said, and the Liblabcon parties who so wrongly perpetrate and perpetuate mass immigration.

BTW - he made specific reference to Australia as an immigration role model.
[quote][p][bold]Landy44[/bold] wrote: The man is a bit of a joke isn't he. Branding all young people with that tag is massively over generalising, and whilst some are lazy, many are hard working. One cannot generalise, but should encourage the strivers. UKIP are, like the greens "single issue", and whilst none of the current political parties have an ounce of common sense and intelligence amongst them, god forbid us if UKIP ever got in (thankfully that is unlikely). But UK membership of the EU IS a serious issue that needs careful debate and discussion without political spin (chance would be a fine thing). I tend to believe that the current approach isn't working and we have as I heard Lord Digby Jones say recently "shackled ourselves to the dying" (or something along those lines). This century doesn't belong to the West. It belongs to Asia and the East and we would do well to work out how to trade with those countries first, and Europe second. Are we better off repatriating "powers" from Brussels - YOU BET WE ARE - ABSOLUTELY. But we should try to retain trade agreements with our nearest neighbours whilst diversifying our trading influence. Immigration? Well it's been too easy to get into the UK for too long, and too easy to take advantage of the UK welfare state. The current situation does need to change, because basically whoever you are, the UK is over populated and getting poorer by the second. BUT controlled immigration along the lines of how Australia do it could be very productive and fulfilling for all parties. So whilst Mr Farage may be his usually bumbling self making erroneous grand remarks - we do need to consider the issues, then act, before time runs out.[/p][/quote]No, because he precisely did NOT brand young people with that tag. He was criticising those who attempt to justify immigration by make racist slurs about the indigenous population's young people. If anyone's a joke, it's those who misunderstood what he said, and the Liblabcon parties who so wrongly perpetrate and perpetuate mass immigration. BTW - he made specific reference to Australia as an immigration role model. More Tea Vicar
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1:34pm Fri 5 Apr 13

Jabbadad says...

And without any doubt the Ausies have got it right offering a country to live in as long as you follow their laws and rules of living, and loyalty. Things that should be demanded here, but then they have a leader who is prepared to stand and be counted and who has the courage for the welfare of Australia and its people at heart.
And without any doubt the Ausies have got it right offering a country to live in as long as you follow their laws and rules of living, and loyalty. Things that should be demanded here, but then they have a leader who is prepared to stand and be counted and who has the courage for the welfare of Australia and its people at heart. Jabbadad
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1:52pm Fri 5 Apr 13

More Tea Vicar says...

outside-edge wrote:
Tommym wrote:
I am not your skivvy the information is freely available on the web USE IT!!!.
Obviously you don't know what it is either, and that is because they don't have any other policies other than Immigration & Europe! LOL!
Wrong. They have a wide range of policies. You might want to check it out before posting.

Mind you, the EU and immigration are two pretty important issues, and UKIP are right on both of them, in stark contrast to the Liblabcon parties.

Just heard a minister being interviewed about the latest immigration wave. Talking about assigning millions of pounds for school places to however many extra children we need to find and fund places for....no idea how many will come, we just pay. And for what?
[quote][p][bold]outside-edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tommym[/bold] wrote: I am not your skivvy the information is freely available on the web USE IT!!!.[/p][/quote]Obviously you don't know what it is either, and that is because they don't have any other policies other than Immigration & Europe! LOL![/p][/quote]Wrong. They have a wide range of policies. You might want to check it out before posting. Mind you, the EU and immigration are two pretty important issues, and UKIP are right on both of them, in stark contrast to the Liblabcon parties. Just heard a minister being interviewed about the latest immigration wave. Talking about assigning millions of pounds for school places to however many extra children we need to find and fund places for....no idea how many will come, we just pay. And for what? More Tea Vicar
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2:51pm Fri 5 Apr 13

Jabbadad says...

Well due to the amateurish policies of the previous government and the current lot, they have no idea how many are here or how many have left.. You couldn't run a roadside Bed & Breakfast like that could you, since at some stage you would ether be empty or be full. And due to the CLOWNS running this country, being full is where we are rapidly heading.
NO VACANCIES, COLD, and SAT IN THE DARK.
Well due to the amateurish policies of the previous government and the current lot, they have no idea how many are here or how many have left.. You couldn't run a roadside Bed & Breakfast like that could you, since at some stage you would ether be empty or be full. And due to the CLOWNS running this country, being full is where we are rapidly heading. NO VACANCIES, COLD, and SAT IN THE DARK. Jabbadad
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12:50am Sat 6 Apr 13

epmart says...

UKIP's immigration policies are barely based on fact. Because of this they're either racist, xenophobic, or ridiculously ill informed.
UKIP's immigration policies are barely based on fact. Because of this they're either racist, xenophobic, or ridiculously ill informed. epmart
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1:41am Sat 6 Apr 13

Jabbadad says...

I am sorry to suggest that you are the one who is ill informed about UKIP, they are an awakening, without being Racist, of the future of this country unless the issue of uncontrolled immigration is addressed. Only a fool fails to recognise this looming issue. And to look away as the previous and present government are doing is not the answer.
I am always saddened when anyone who wants to debate immigration openly and without malice are immediately branded as racist. I have attended Racial Equality Awareness seminars where those who are immigrants and are also aware that open door policies cannot continue.
Your comments are damaging to the debate, not UKIP, they will rise above such unfounded rubbish and debate with anyone who has a valid point to make. .
I am sorry to suggest that you are the one who is ill informed about UKIP, they are an awakening, without being Racist, of the future of this country unless the issue of uncontrolled immigration is addressed. Only a fool fails to recognise this looming issue. And to look away as the previous and present government are doing is not the answer. I am always saddened when anyone who wants to debate immigration openly and without malice are immediately branded as racist. I have attended Racial Equality Awareness seminars where those who are immigrants and are also aware that open door policies cannot continue. Your comments are damaging to the debate, not UKIP, they will rise above such unfounded rubbish and debate with anyone who has a valid point to make. . Jabbadad
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1:44pm Sat 6 Apr 13

pinkfluff says...

outside-edge wrote:
DeBrian Thronker wrote:
@ outside-edge,

Oooh, imagine a political party introducing parties that no-one signed up for. Labour and the Tories would never dream of doing that, would they? They always stick to their manifesto to the letter...
LOL Too true!
But can anyone tell me where UKIP stands on Fiscal policy for keeping inflation low, creating jobs, Transport, Foreign Policy. Defence, Social Care, Health, Education & Schools Curriculum, Environment, Law & Order, Research & Science, Care for the Elderley etc etc
I think it is to get out of the EU, remove all immigrants and everything else just falls into place. You know that by allowing immigrants into the country and being in the EU is the cause of the nations misery- don't you?

WARNING!! THE ABOVE COMMENT CONTAINS SARCASM.
[quote][p][bold]outside-edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DeBrian Thronker[/bold] wrote: @ outside-edge, Oooh, imagine a political party introducing parties that no-one signed up for. Labour and the Tories would never dream of doing that, would they? They always stick to their manifesto to the letter...[/p][/quote]LOL Too true! But can anyone tell me where UKIP stands on Fiscal policy for keeping inflation low, creating jobs, Transport, Foreign Policy. Defence, Social Care, Health, Education & Schools Curriculum, Environment, Law & Order, Research & Science, Care for the Elderley etc etc[/p][/quote]I think it is to get out of the EU, remove all immigrants and everything else just falls into place. You know that by allowing immigrants into the country and being in the EU is the cause of the nations misery- don't you? WARNING!! THE ABOVE COMMENT CONTAINS SARCASM. pinkfluff
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7:49pm Sat 6 Apr 13

epmart says...

Jabbadad wrote:
I am sorry to suggest that you are the one who is ill informed about UKIP, they are an awakening, without being Racist, of the future of this country unless the issue of uncontrolled immigration is addressed. Only a fool fails to recognise this looming issue. And to look away as the previous and present government are doing is not the answer.
I am always saddened when anyone who wants to debate immigration openly and without malice are immediately branded as racist. I have attended Racial Equality Awareness seminars where those who are immigrants and are also aware that open door policies cannot continue.
Your comments are damaging to the debate, not UKIP, they will rise above such unfounded rubbish and debate with anyone who has a valid point to make. .
What I mean is that there are few studies that suggest that immigration has a negative affect (effect?) on the economy. Studies suggest that wages are not driven down; that immigrants do not reduce the chance of non immigrants finding work; they do not take excessively from the state; studies have found that immigrants are a net contributor to the economy; and that immigrants on benefits are a much smaller proportion than non immigrants.
Therefore, as UKIP's policy on immigration isn't based on facts, my comment still stands.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: I am sorry to suggest that you are the one who is ill informed about UKIP, they are an awakening, without being Racist, of the future of this country unless the issue of uncontrolled immigration is addressed. Only a fool fails to recognise this looming issue. And to look away as the previous and present government are doing is not the answer. I am always saddened when anyone who wants to debate immigration openly and without malice are immediately branded as racist. I have attended Racial Equality Awareness seminars where those who are immigrants and are also aware that open door policies cannot continue. Your comments are damaging to the debate, not UKIP, they will rise above such unfounded rubbish and debate with anyone who has a valid point to make. .[/p][/quote]What I mean is that there are few studies that suggest that immigration has a negative affect (effect?) on the economy. Studies suggest that wages are not driven down; that immigrants do not reduce the chance of non immigrants finding work; they do not take excessively from the state; studies have found that immigrants are a net contributor to the economy; and that immigrants on benefits are a much smaller proportion than non immigrants. Therefore, as UKIP's policy on immigration isn't based on facts, my comment still stands. epmart
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12:02pm Sun 7 Apr 13

DermotItis says...

epmart wrote:
Jabbadad wrote:
I am sorry to suggest that you are the one who is ill informed about UKIP, they are an awakening, without being Racist, of the future of this country unless the issue of uncontrolled immigration is addressed. Only a fool fails to recognise this looming issue. And to look away as the previous and present government are doing is not the answer.
I am always saddened when anyone who wants to debate immigration openly and without malice are immediately branded as racist. I have attended Racial Equality Awareness seminars where those who are immigrants and are also aware that open door policies cannot continue.
Your comments are damaging to the debate, not UKIP, they will rise above such unfounded rubbish and debate with anyone who has a valid point to make. .
What I mean is that there are few studies that suggest that immigration has a negative affect (effect?) on the economy. Studies suggest that wages are not driven down; that immigrants do not reduce the chance of non immigrants finding work; they do not take excessively from the state; studies have found that immigrants are a net contributor to the economy; and that immigrants on benefits are a much smaller proportion than non immigrants.
Therefore, as UKIP's policy on immigration isn't based on facts, my comment still stands.
So, let me see if I understand you properly.

We have 2.5 million unemployed and hundreds of applicants for each available job. Another half million immigrants, (possible according to a recent study!) will not make any difference to the ordinary working man desperately looking for a job?

We saw on a recent "Any Questions" the university professor Mary Bird quoting a "study" which stated that immigration had been beneficial to a town in Norfolk?, whose name escaped me at the moment.

A lady in the audience came from that town and for five minutes, sometimes in tears, she described what the situation was really like in that town. She described how their quality of life had been destroyed as the immigrants took over. Hospitals, doctors, and schools where all hopelessly swamped. Areas had become ghettoes where few spoke English. Illegal squatters had taken over her families land, and so on.

This so called study quoted by Bird was just another bundle of lies from the Labour Party, and other bed-fellows. Bird was not even embarrassed by her slap-down, but she stayed away from the subject for the remainder of that show!

So, to your pathetic attempts to state that being swamped by unwanted immigrants is good, I would suggest that you are in a small minority as this country has now reached overflow levels as far as population are concerned.

Thankfully, the majority of the population, indigenous and settled immigrants, have enough common sense to realise that left-wing zealots have their own agenda, and more migrants are not what we want at present.

Once the economy recovers then that may change, but until then we need a policy that restricts immigration to those with skills that the country is short of.

UKIP is receiving national acclaim for speaking common sense on behalf of the ignored majority of this country, which is why the UKIP surge in popularity and support is taking place.
[quote][p][bold]epmart[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: I am sorry to suggest that you are the one who is ill informed about UKIP, they are an awakening, without being Racist, of the future of this country unless the issue of uncontrolled immigration is addressed. Only a fool fails to recognise this looming issue. And to look away as the previous and present government are doing is not the answer. I am always saddened when anyone who wants to debate immigration openly and without malice are immediately branded as racist. I have attended Racial Equality Awareness seminars where those who are immigrants and are also aware that open door policies cannot continue. Your comments are damaging to the debate, not UKIP, they will rise above such unfounded rubbish and debate with anyone who has a valid point to make. .[/p][/quote]What I mean is that there are few studies that suggest that immigration has a negative affect (effect?) on the economy. Studies suggest that wages are not driven down; that immigrants do not reduce the chance of non immigrants finding work; they do not take excessively from the state; studies have found that immigrants are a net contributor to the economy; and that immigrants on benefits are a much smaller proportion than non immigrants. Therefore, as UKIP's policy on immigration isn't based on facts, my comment still stands.[/p][/quote]So, let me see if I understand you properly. We have 2.5 million unemployed and hundreds of applicants for each available job. Another half million immigrants, (possible according to a recent study!) will not make any difference to the ordinary working man desperately looking for a job? We saw on a recent "Any Questions" the university professor Mary Bird quoting a "study" which stated that immigration had been beneficial to a town in Norfolk?, whose name escaped me at the moment. A lady in the audience came from that town and for five minutes, sometimes in tears, she described what the situation was really like in that town. She described how their quality of life had been destroyed as the immigrants took over. Hospitals, doctors, and schools where all hopelessly swamped. Areas had become ghettoes where few spoke English. Illegal squatters had taken over her families land, and so on. This so called study quoted by Bird was just another bundle of lies from the Labour Party, and other bed-fellows. Bird was not even embarrassed by her slap-down, but she stayed away from the subject for the remainder of that show! So, to your pathetic attempts to state that being swamped by unwanted immigrants is good, I would suggest that you are in a small minority as this country has now reached overflow levels as far as population are concerned. Thankfully, the majority of the population, indigenous and settled immigrants, have enough common sense to realise that left-wing zealots have their own agenda, and more migrants are not what we want at present. Once the economy recovers then that may change, but until then we need a policy that restricts immigration to those with skills that the country is short of. UKIP is receiving national acclaim for speaking common sense on behalf of the ignored majority of this country, which is why the UKIP surge in popularity and support is taking place. DermotItis
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12:19pm Sun 7 Apr 13

DermotItis says...

In my last post I was unable to remember where Mary Bird had talked about. Looking it up, I see that it was a town in Lincolnshire.
At the same time I noticed that in the last week UKIP have gained their second seat on North East Lincolnshire Council with victory in the Humberston & New Waltham by-election.

Stephen Harness was elected with 42% of the vote, taking the seat off the Conservatives on 28%, Labour’s achieved a low 18%, while the Liberal Democrats could only scrape up 12%.

As the voting population realise that the LibLabCon parties have run out of ideas, and all they have left to offer is lies, deception and trickery, then it only natural that voters will turn to UKIP as the only ones speaking the common sense they want to hear.
In my last post I was unable to remember where Mary Bird had talked about. Looking it up, I see that it was a town in Lincolnshire. At the same time I noticed that in the last week UKIP have gained their second seat on North East Lincolnshire Council with victory in the Humberston & New Waltham by-election. Stephen Harness was elected with 42% of the vote, taking the seat off the Conservatives on 28%, Labour’s achieved a low 18%, while the Liberal Democrats could only scrape up 12%. As the voting population realise that the LibLabCon parties have run out of ideas, and all they have left to offer is lies, deception and trickery, then it only natural that voters will turn to UKIP as the only ones speaking the common sense they want to hear. DermotItis
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1:00pm Sun 7 Apr 13

Lew Smoralz says...

The UKIP policy to leave the EU is the only sane route for the people, both indigenous and settled immigrants, in the UK. You can see for yourself that the UK is openly despised by the EU (just watch the EU parliament videos).

The EU has done nothing for this country and it's about time we leave this undemocratic club that is causing mass un-employment of British citizens, costing us £53 million a day, is forcing us to shut coal power stations, forcing us to be part of the ECHR and overburdening us with red tape.

The top people in the EU are mostly communists, Jose Manuel Barroso is a Maoist, Cathy Ashton received money from communists when she was treasurer of CND in the 80s and 90s.

If we do not leave the EU soon we will be overrun with Romanian and Bulgarian criminals who will place an ever greater burden on our housing, schools, welfare system and NHS.
The UKIP policy to leave the EU is the only sane route for the people, both indigenous and settled immigrants, in the UK. You can see for yourself that the UK is openly despised by the EU (just watch the EU parliament videos). The EU has done nothing for this country and it's about time we leave this undemocratic club that is causing mass un-employment of British citizens, costing us £53 million a day, is forcing us to shut coal power stations, forcing us to be part of the ECHR and overburdening us with red tape. The top people in the EU are mostly communists, Jose Manuel Barroso is a Maoist, Cathy Ashton received money from communists when she was treasurer of CND in the 80s and 90s. If we do not leave the EU soon we will be overrun with Romanian and Bulgarian criminals who will place an ever greater burden on our housing, schools, welfare system and NHS. Lew Smoralz
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3:27pm Sun 7 Apr 13

BrownSauce says...

Lew Smoralz wrote:
The UKIP policy to leave the EU is the only sane route for the people, both indigenous and settled immigrants, in the UK. You can see for yourself that the UK is openly despised by the EU (just watch the EU parliament videos).

The EU has done nothing for this country and it's about time we leave this undemocratic club that is causing mass un-employment of British citizens, costing us £53 million a day, is forcing us to shut coal power stations, forcing us to be part of the ECHR and overburdening us with red tape.

The top people in the EU are mostly communists, Jose Manuel Barroso is a Maoist, Cathy Ashton received money from communists when she was treasurer of CND in the 80s and 90s.

If we do not leave the EU soon we will be overrun with Romanian and Bulgarian criminals who will place an ever greater burden on our housing, schools, welfare system and NHS.
A leaked Cabinet Office memo confirms your last statement about crime.

On cashpoint crime, which cost Britons more than £60million last year, the documents states: "80 to 85 per cent of this nationally can be attributed to Romanian organised crime groups."

It goes on: "Aggressive begging, pick-pocketing and bag and mobile phone theft are particular activities which are cause for concern.

"There is a possibility of an increase in A2 women trafficked into the vice trade."

I think that most of can see where this is leading, we haven’t officially opened our doors to these people and already they are responsible for a massive amount of crime.

Just remember that this was all organised by the last Labour government and, as well as bankrupting us, they are responsible for the fact that we no longer have any authority to control our own borders.
[quote][p][bold]Lew Smoralz[/bold] wrote: The UKIP policy to leave the EU is the only sane route for the people, both indigenous and settled immigrants, in the UK. You can see for yourself that the UK is openly despised by the EU (just watch the EU parliament videos). The EU has done nothing for this country and it's about time we leave this undemocratic club that is causing mass un-employment of British citizens, costing us £53 million a day, is forcing us to shut coal power stations, forcing us to be part of the ECHR and overburdening us with red tape. The top people in the EU are mostly communists, Jose Manuel Barroso is a Maoist, Cathy Ashton received money from communists when she was treasurer of CND in the 80s and 90s. If we do not leave the EU soon we will be overrun with Romanian and Bulgarian criminals who will place an ever greater burden on our housing, schools, welfare system and NHS.[/p][/quote]A leaked Cabinet Office memo confirms your last statement about crime. On cashpoint crime, which cost Britons more than £60million last year, the documents states: "80 to 85 per cent of this nationally can be attributed to Romanian organised crime groups." It goes on: "Aggressive begging, pick-pocketing and bag and mobile phone theft are particular activities which are cause for concern. "There is a possibility of an increase in A2 [Romanian and Bulgarian] women trafficked into the vice trade." I think that most of can see where this is leading, we haven’t officially opened our doors to these people and already they are responsible for a massive amount of crime. Just remember that this was all organised by the last Labour government and, as well as bankrupting us, they are responsible for the fact that we no longer have any authority to control our own borders. BrownSauce
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9:46pm Sun 7 Apr 13

Jabbadad says...

Yet another reason for my love of Brown Sauce.
Yet another reason for my love of Brown Sauce. Jabbadad
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