"Aaaay olll ronnnn!" scrap dealers cause a headache - ballot (From Worcester News)
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"Aaaay olll ronnnn!" scrap dealers cause a headache - ballot
12:30pm Wednesday 22nd February 2012 in Local
"Aaaayolllronnnn!" - scrap dealers cause a headache
THE screeching wail of scrap metal dealers is driving people to distraction, councillors have been told.
The familiar cry of “scrap iron” and “any old iron”, often preceded by the call from a battered bugle has been echoing around the lanes of Kempsey, near Worcester, entirely too often for villager Martin Bennett, of Napleton Lane.
He said he had no problem with the principle of scrap metal dealers travelling around for trade, but he did take issue with “this sort of noise” when they are hawking for odds and ends as they drive slowly past people’s homes.
Problems of noise have been reported both in Worcester and Redditch.
“I understand some calling out is permitted in law for hawkers, but not leaning on horns or, in one case we had last week, holding an air horn out the window for periods of an hour or more,” he said.
He asked a Kempsey Parish Council if anything could be done about the noise issue.
Councillor John Michael, council chairman, said it was a “wider problem around the county.”
One of the ward’s district councillors Adam Rea said Malvern Hills authority looked after issuing any waste carrier licences, which must be displayed on all the vehicles.
But noise complaints are handled and tackled by Worcestershire Regulatory Services officers, with powers to act under the Environmental Protection Act.
Coun Michael said it was “hard to control” the scrap dealers but the council would talk to the local police officer in a bid to make the dealers “more user-friendly”.
His colleague Coun David Harrison said the separate issue of un-licensed scrap dealers had been “all but eradicated” after a crackdown by the district council.
Steve Jorden, regulatory services chief, said unless the noise was amplified they had little power to act in law.
“We can’t really do anything where people are using loud hailers or bugles and horns,” he said.
“Where they’re using a loud speaker system – an amplified system – we can, but then it’s a matter of catching them and they are by their nature transient, so that can be hard to do.”
He said dealers could be, and often were, “spoken to about noise” either in writing, by phone or face-to-face during routine stop-checks, particularly if complainants supplied vehicle registration numbers or dealers’ vehicle branding.
“Most are happy to take the advice on, but there are one or two who know the letter of the law and are less helpful,” said Mr Jorden.
Complaints should be made by calling 01905 822799 or e-mailing wrsenquiries@worcsregservices.gov.uk
Comments(45)
citykid
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1:23pm Wed 22 Feb 12
brooksider
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1:27pm Wed 22 Feb 12
They all are required to take action in the case of complaint about noise nuisance from the following - Animals e.g. barking dogs, Commercial / industrial e.g. extraction fans, Leisure e.g. clay pigeon shooting, Construction / demolition e.g. plant noise, Audible intruder alarms e.g. house or car and of course Street e.g. ice cream van chimes.
MrStJohns
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1:39pm Wed 22 Feb 12
Harveytux
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2:22pm Wed 22 Feb 12
Ex-Worcester boy
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2:23pm Wed 22 Feb 12
CJH
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2:27pm Wed 22 Feb 12
Robot 3021
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2:28pm Wed 22 Feb 12
It's nowhere near as annoying as cars driving round with music blaring out, for instance. If you can call it music. Might as well just bang on a bin lid with a lump hammer. Baaaah.
CJH
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2:29pm Wed 22 Feb 12
OrdinaryMan
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3:14pm Wed 22 Feb 12
Incidentally, I know someone who, as a youngster, was told by their parents that when the ice cream van played a tune it meant it had run out of ice cream!
MrStJohns
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3:22pm Wed 22 Feb 12
Nigel Thornberry
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3:45pm Wed 22 Feb 12
BernarddeCampio
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4:40pm Wed 22 Feb 12
CJH
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4:41pm Wed 22 Feb 12
MrStJohns wrote:Well what you have to understand MrSJ is that I work from home, so an hour of bugling/horn blowing/dodgy microphone noises is really a distraction when added to all the other noises like car alarms, burglar alarms (we've had two electricity interruptions today which always starts all the house alarms off!), people who play thumpety thumpety music in their cars, kids shouting abuse at each other, planes flying overhead, lawnmowers, diy, BARKING DOGS, etc etc etc. It's a wonder my clients ever get their work finished. And now, just as I finish typing this another alarm is going off somewhere...grrrr
CJH, im disappointed you'v fallen to the levels of being annoyed by an ice cream van, your subscription to regular WN moaners is in the post ;- )
b1ackb1rd
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4:54pm Wed 22 Feb 12
I reckon as long as you can hear them you know where the b*ggers are !
CJH
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4:56pm Wed 22 Feb 12
BernarddeCampio wrote:I would normally be the first to support this view Bernard, but today has been a particularly bad day for noise, and I have a living to earn. Sometimes perspective has to be put into context.
I'm with those who think it's a very little thing to get annoyed about; whilst people whine about a horn intruding on their lives, thousands of people in places like Syria are waiting for a rocket to burst through the front window and kill their whole family.
CJH
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4:58pm Wed 22 Feb 12
BernarddeCampio
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5:02pm Wed 22 Feb 12
CJH wrote:Agreed. There does seem to have been a marked increase in the tooting and wailing of late, and it all seems a bit parasitical.
BernarddeCampio wrote:I would normally be the first to support this view Bernard, but today has been a particularly bad day for noise, and I have a living to earn. Sometimes perspective has to be put into context.
I'm with those who think it's a very little thing to get annoyed about; whilst people whine about a horn intruding on their lives, thousands of people in places like Syria are waiting for a rocket to burst through the front window and kill their whole family.
Butties
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7:50pm Wed 22 Feb 12
The answer is 42
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8:02pm Wed 22 Feb 12
They're saving a few motorised trips to the tip anyway
sarah and her chickens
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8:31pm Wed 22 Feb 12
turkishdelighttwo
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10:36pm Wed 22 Feb 12
They should be told to keep the noise day and only be allowed an area once a week.
Jabbadad
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11:09pm Wed 22 Feb 12
Butties
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9:01am Thu 23 Feb 12
BanjoLegs
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11:29am Thu 23 Feb 12
sarah and her chickens
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11:30am Thu 23 Feb 12
altheman
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11:37am Thu 23 Feb 12
ing to the klaxon & the shout of " any old iron" etc...i think they do a great job, as it is very difficult to get rid of heavy old bits of metal,iron etc...and these guys do it for free..so good on em i say & may they carry on !
MrStJohns
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11:56am Thu 23 Feb 12
sarah and her chickens wrote:Well they did the neighbourhood a favour its jakeys who leave old washing machines in their front gardens as ornaments that annoy me, along with the clucking of chickens.
I was planning on taking my scrap to the deales myself so making myself a bit of money. Instead they stole it so not only am i out of pocket but i have to put up with their wailing and know they are making a nice and no doubt tax free living .
Ex-Worcester boy
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12:42pm Thu 23 Feb 12
sarah and her chickens
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1:30pm Thu 23 Feb 12
MrStJohns
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1:37pm Thu 23 Feb 12
sarah and her chickens wrote:You are correct a jerky is a dried beef product a jakey however is not ;- ). Im glad you now agree with me about the merits of keeping a tidy front garden, and the service the scrap man gave you is appreciated.
I must just be a country bumpkin.I admit defeat its perfectly ok for my possessions to be stolen from my front drive.I don t mind the noise and praise be to the scrap man for all he contributes to society.ps whats a jerky.I thought it was a beef related product eaten by cowboys....
pinkfluff
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6:16pm Thu 23 Feb 12
twixy123
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6:50pm Thu 23 Feb 12
It IS an inconvenience as it always wakes the baby before her time and sets the local dogs off howling and barking. You can't say anything though as they would come back later and break your car windows!
And at the same time does anyone else wonder what they do with the bits they have no use for? let me guess they are part of the rubbish strewn about the sites they are forced off when evicted by law abiding land owners, get real people when you give these low life your unwanted rubbish to save yourselves getting off your butts to go to the tip you are adding to a massive problem of fly tipping, non payment of taxes and encouraging these lowlife to break the law and not get a real job like the rest of us downtrodden nation!!
Butties
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9:44pm Thu 23 Feb 12
DizzyBint
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9:36am Fri 24 Feb 12
Ex-Worcester boy
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12:08pm Fri 24 Feb 12
I will know say,carry on the good work chaps, you are doing sterling assistance to the local community.
Having lived close to a community who use said horns, if you believe that you will believe anything
murray kelso
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12:12pm Fri 24 Feb 12
Ex-Worcester boy wrote:The only "veto" is on racist terminology that you insisted on using on two occasions. You were privately asked to knock it on the head but as you've now brought the subject up in public I thought I'd redress the balance a little so readers don't get confused.
Due to veto by WN on comments i would actually like to say about these horn blowers.
I will know say,carry on the good work chaps, you are doing sterling assistance to the local community.
Having lived close to a community who use said horns, if you believe that you will believe anything
Thank you.
MK - Digital Editor
ushmush
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2:07pm Fri 24 Feb 12
CJH wrote:Thumpety thumpety music?? What is this new genre of music and why haven't I heard of it? Perhaps it's the new rock and roll... I can't wait to hear it, where can i buy it?
MrStJohns wrote:Well what you have to understand MrSJ is that I work from home, so an hour of bugling/horn blowing/dodgy microphone noises is really a distraction when added to all the other noises like car alarms, burglar alarms (we've had two electricity interruptions today which always starts all the house alarms off!), people who play thumpety thumpety music in their cars, kids shouting abuse at each other, planes flying overhead, lawnmowers, diy, BARKING DOGS, etc etc etc. It's a wonder my clients ever get their work finished. And now, just as I finish typing this another alarm is going off somewhere...grrrr
CJH, im disappointed you'v fallen to the levels of being annoyed by an ice cream van, your subscription to regular WN moaners is in the post ;- )
CJH
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2:17pm Fri 24 Feb 12
ali0268
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7:16pm Fri 24 Feb 12
The Moan
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11:44pm Sat 25 Feb 12
murray kelso wrote:I'm Glad WN is doing something about this. No confusion here I know a bigot when I see one. If you don't like the scrappy fine, but don't insult someone’s culture or way of life. I'm glad we have scrap vans, in this day an age you've got to make a living however you can.
Ex-Worcester boy wrote: Due to veto by WN on comments i would actually like to say about these horn blowers. I will know say,carry on the good work chaps, you are doing sterling assistance to the local community. Having lived close to a community who use said horns, if you believe that you will believe anythingThe only "veto" is on racist terminology that you insisted on using on two occasions. You were privately asked to knock it on the head but as you've now brought the subject up in public I thought I'd redress the balance a little so readers don't get confused. Thank you. MK - Digital Editor
Ex-Worcester boy
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1:07pm Mon 27 Feb 12
The Moan
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3:29pm Mon 27 Feb 12
Ex-Worcester boy
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3:42pm Mon 27 Feb 12
The Moan
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3:47pm Mon 27 Feb 12
The Moan wrote:In addition: No sorry don't like the idea of banning cash transactions for scrap. Smaller traders should be able to trade with cash. You wouldn't make all people pay by credit card at a market and there's plenty of dodgy goods there to be had. Good record keeping is all it needs. If someone is intent on breaking the law and scamming they will still do it but get smarter with it.
Actually don't see what the method of payment has to do with it. When I was self employed I was paid cash by my customers most of the time. last I looked there was nothing wrong in that. As long as customers pay I don't mind how they do it. Scrap doesn't work like that however and if you'd ever tried it you'd know. If your self employed you pay your own tax obviously that's gone over your head. I'd love to be so narrow minded. Still I don't mind the scrappy it saves me the job and they know better than to rob me anyways.
Doesitmakesense?? says...
1:08pm Wed 22 Feb 12