Sex attacker Lord sent to jail (From Worcester News)

Ex-Worcester boy says...
11:25am Tue 3 Apr 12

2 years and hes out, absolute disgrace

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Jackie Barry says...
11:31am Tue 3 Apr 12

Yet again the "softly softly" approach. Disgrace. He should have got at least 10 years. Why do we let these people get away with it? What about the victims? They have a life sentence. He will serve 2 years and be free to start again. Makes a joke of our justice system.

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Ex-Worcester boy says...
12:02pm Tue 3 Apr 12

What about the colleagues who did not act.
Just another day in our legal system
Anyone with doubts start believing the system and sentencing is a joke.
I hope he gets the treatment in prison what other prisoners do to people like him.

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splinksplink1 says...
12:04pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Disagree. Penalty is OTT for this crime (3 years expected). He's paid due to high profile. He pleaded not guilty, but realised there was no way to win with the weight of public opinion. Total miscarriage of justice and the man is broken. He served Worcester well. And this is the thanks!

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CJH says...
12:06pm Tue 3 Apr 12

splinksplink1 wrote:
Disagree. Penalty is OTT for this crime (3 years expected). He's paid due to high profile. He pleaded not guilty, but realised there was no way to win with the weight of public opinion. Total miscarriage of justice and the man is broken. He served Worcester well. And this is the thanks!

April Fools was on Sunday - bit late with this comment I think!

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Ex-Worcester boy says...
12:10pm Tue 3 Apr 12

splinksplink1
You are one sick person condoning this mans actions

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splinksplink1 says...
12:13pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Please quote the part of my comment where I condone any actions. I've re-read it and can't see it anywhere

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Ex-Worcester boy says...
12:17pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Total miscarriage of justice and the man is broken

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splinksplink1 says...
12:20pm Tue 3 Apr 12

So what I'm saying here is simply true. He was found guilty of an offence for which he pleaded not guilty. He realised he couldn't win. Changed his plea because he simply couldn't go through that again and to limit his sentence. Trial unfair and the man is broken.

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mayall8808 says...
12:31pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Didnt get enough, he deserved more but i think his age was a factor.

I do hope the lack of action by council collegues will be noted, they had to do something when it couldnt be hidden, what a disgrace !
How many more lumps in the carpet are there?

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CJH says...
12:35pm Tue 3 Apr 12

"Trial unfair and the man is broken" This is the part of your comment I have a problem with - unfair? How? He got away with it for 40 years! Broken? Good! What about his victims? I'd lock him up and throw away the key! Total abuse of his position and authority.

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uscebao says...
12:47pm Tue 3 Apr 12

splinksplink1 is either a family member or a County Councillor.

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splinksplink1 says...
12:51pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Neither. Just presenting an alternative view to you animals that are seeking blood. Thank goodness the justice system isn't in youtr hands. Throw away the key? Medieval times? civilised? Hmmm. Thinks: "Avoid Worcestershire..."

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WilkoJ says...
12:52pm Tue 3 Apr 12

I welcome the sentence, although I do not feel it goes far enough for the crime he has been found guilty for, while his back ground and services to the community etc as a councillor should not prevent him from suffering the full consequences of his actions. You do the deed, you pay the price regardless of your standing in the community.

I hope the lack of action by others at the council are investigated and brought out in to the open and that they're made to pay the price of turning a blind eye.

This whole episode makes me wonder what else council staff and councillors get up to, and I feel it is now time that all these people at County Hall were investigated and put under the microscope. These people are supposed to be in a position of responsibility and high integrity, but I suspect that the ethics of many council staff leave a lot to be desired. And I doubt I'm alone in that thinking.

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Ex-Worcester boy says...
12:54pm Tue 3 Apr 12

If they are a supporter of the guilty man, maybe shows the mentality of these people

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mayall8808 says...
12:54pm Tue 3 Apr 12

splinksplink1 says...
12:51pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Neither. Just presenting an alternative view to you animals that are seeking blood. Thank goodness the justice system isn't in youtr hands. Throw away the key? Medieval times? civilised? Hmmm. Thinks: "Avoid Worcestershire..."�
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So you condone his actions then? you cant have it both ways, oops pun

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mayall8808 says...
12:56pm Tue 3 Apr 12

WilkoJ says...
12:52pm Tue 3 Apr 12

I welcome the sentence, although I do not feel it goes far enough for the crime he has been found guilty for, while his back ground and services to the community etc as a councillor should not prevent him from suffering the full consequences of his actions. You do the deed, you pay the price regardless of your standing in the community.

Totally agree, lock him up throw away the key.

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splinksplink1 says...
12:58pm Tue 3 Apr 12

I suspect strongly he didn't do anything like what he is accused of. He pleaded not guilty. He changed his plea in the face of an impossible hearing - no one was going to take his word in case 2 after losing case 1. Minimised the damage. I'd have thought all this was pretty obvious if you look at what's happened.

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Ex-Worcester boy says...
1:00pm Tue 3 Apr 12

splinksplink1 please understand families and the victims have to live with the consequences of this mans actions. Is ability to do a good job is not being judged but his behaviour to his victims certainly is and if that makes me an animal in your eyes so be it. It is people who cover and support someone of his nature that are animals

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jovialcommonsense says...
1:01pm Tue 3 Apr 12

CJH wrote:
"Trial unfair and the man is broken" This is the part of your comment I have a problem with - unfair? How? He got away with it for 40 years! Broken? Good! What about his victims? I'd lock him up and throw away the key! Total abuse of his position and authority.

Sadly, we never get the full details and even if we did we still would not understand.
I know of a case where an innocent pleaded guilty, as to have fought the case would have ruined their financial future as well as the years of stress.
The sentence was seen as the " better" of two evils.
Ever since, unless blatantly guilty, I've always viewed court results with suspicion.

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uscebao says...
1:02pm Tue 3 Apr 12

splinksplink1 wrote:
I suspect strongly he didn't do anything like what he is accused of. He pleaded not guilty. He changed his plea in the face of an impossible hearing - no one was going to take his word in case 2 after losing case 1. Minimised the damage. I'd have thought all this was pretty obvious if you look at what's happened.

Were you in attendance at the court, or do you get all your information from the newspapers?

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CJH says...
1:07pm Tue 3 Apr 12

"splinksplink1 thinks: "Avoid Worcestershire..."�
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Good!

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andrew151 says...
1:09pm Tue 3 Apr 12

throw away the key and weld up the door to his cell and take his peerage away he deserves to get what happens when inside prison some in ates dont take kindly to his type,hope he,s got eyes in back of head and good hearing

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andrew151 says...
1:12pm Tue 3 Apr 12

just a p.she should have had 4yrs for each crime not 1yr.

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Ex-Worcester boy says...
1:13pm Tue 3 Apr 12

andrew151, splinksplink1 may take exception to your punishment

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jovialcommonsense says...
1:14pm Tue 3 Apr 12

andrew151 wrote:
throw away the key and weld up the door to his cell and take his peerage away he deserves to get what happens when inside prison some in ates dont take kindly to his type,hope he,s got eyes in back of head and good hearing

His name is Lord, it's not a peerage. Kind of devalues anything else you say doesn't it?

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bigrat says...
1:23pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Splinksplink1 wrote: “I suspect strongly he didn't do anything like what he is accused of. He pleaded not guilty. He changed his plea in the face of an impossible hearing....”.
Actually a) I suspect (in fact more than suspect) that he has done a lot worse than what he was accused of and what has been reported; b) he pleaded not guilty because of his complete arrogance; c) he changed his plea to guilty in the face of the overwhelming evidence and the number of cases being brought against him.
I just hope that this is not the end of it and the authorities pursue other cases.

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jarlin says...
1:33pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Well, well, well. It seems the 'Old Boys' brigade and 'money talks', has once again been brought into play!
Four years!!! are you kidding me! How on this bloody planet can any court justify such a minimal 4 year sentence for this pervert. Once more must we sit back and accept yet another sex offender getting away with a pathetic punishment! A broken man indeed! Who cares about him! It's his victims we should care about, he should suffer a very long custodial sentence, without time off for good behaviour.

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Ex-Worcester boy says...
1:53pm Tue 3 Apr 12

jarlin, just upset splinksplink1 a person who cares for Mr Lord unlike the rest of us animals

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ushmush says...
2:25pm Tue 3 Apr 12

jovialcommonsense wrote:

andrew151 wrote:
throw away the key and weld up the door to his cell and take his peerage away he deserves to get what happens when inside prison some in ates dont take kindly to his type,hope he,s got eyes in back of head and good hearing
His name is Lord, it's not a peerage. Kind of devalues anything else you say doesn't it?

Haha, that is 100% exactly what I thought!

For everyone's 'suspecting' on here, there are virtually no facts. I believe the saying goes "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

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Ex-Worcester boy says...
2:38pm Tue 3 Apr 12

We all have sinned, depending on your outlook.
I find this man abhorent say no more to justify this man in any shape or form.

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Ex-Worcester boy says...
2:45pm Tue 3 Apr 12

One thing about blogs, in particular about subjects above you can get the majority condemning, but the worry is, people who support the guilty person and in particular the ones who show sympathy no matter how little are the real culprits in the offence, faceless and understanding that wrong makes right

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MrStJohns says...
2:48pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Ex-Worcester boy wrote:
One thing about blogs, in particular about subjects above you can get the majority condemning, but the worry is, people who support the guilty person and in particular the ones who show sympathy no matter how little are the real culprits in the offence, faceless and understanding that wrong makes right

Agreed, however witch hunts based on no more than snippets of information realised in the press are just as disagreeable.

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MrStJohns says...
2:53pm Tue 3 Apr 12

MrStJohns wrote:

Ex-Worcester boy wrote: One thing about blogs, in particular about subjects above you can get the majority condemning, but the worry is, people who support the guilty person and in particular the ones who show sympathy no matter how little are the real culprits in the offence, faceless and understanding that wrong makes right
Agreed, however witch hunts based on no more than snippets of information realised in the press are just as disagreeable.

That should be read released (sorry)

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Ex-Worcester boy says...
3:09pm Tue 3 Apr 12

I do feel that the snippets are only the part of the actual truth, witch hunt or not this man as destroyed peoples lives and I believe there are a lot of others unknown who still suffer from this mans abuse.

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jovialcommonsense says...
4:04pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Proper justice is gained by viewing the facts, not by suspicion and belief, otherwise it is vigilantism.
The court has made it's decision on the facts it is aware of.
The sentence has been given according to the facts and circumstances.
How can outsiders presume to know better?

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ushmush says...
4:10pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Ex-Worcester boy wrote:
One thing about blogs, in particular about subjects above you can get the majority condemning, but the worry is, people who support the guilty person and in particular the ones who show sympathy no matter how little are the real culprits in the offence, faceless and understanding that wrong makes right

The thing that scares me is people like you are allowed to vote, that's how fascism comes into power!

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uscebao says...
4:48pm Tue 3 Apr 12

ushmush wrote:

Ex-Worcester boy wrote:
One thing about blogs, in particular about subjects above you can get the majority condemning, but the worry is, people who support the guilty person and in particular the ones who show sympathy no matter how little are the real culprits in the offence, faceless and understanding that wrong makes right
The thing that scares me is people like you are allowed to vote, that's how fascism comes into power!

So, you don't agree with democracy? Sounds a bit fascist to me :)

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MakeUthink says...
5:41pm Tue 3 Apr 12

I have known such cover-up situations in the military. To a certain extent, when someone is 'in the system' they are either not believed, or the superior (of the offender) covers up the offence. There is a number of others (personnel dept?) who are culpable. It should not end here.

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Lizzie R says...
6:15pm Tue 3 Apr 12

WilkoJ wrote:
I welcome the sentence, although I do not feel it goes far enough for the crime he has been found guilty for, while his back ground and services to the community etc as a councillor should not prevent him from suffering the full consequences of his actions. You do the deed, you pay the price regardless of your standing in the community.

I hope the lack of action by others at the council are investigated and brought out in to the open and that they're made to pay the price of turning a blind eye.

This whole episode makes me wonder what else council staff and councillors get up to, and I feel it is now time that all these people at County Hall were investigated and put under the microscope. These people are supposed to be in a position of responsibility and high integrity, but I suspect that the ethics of many council staff leave a lot to be desired. And I doubt I'm alone in that thinking.

Why are you tarring all people who work at the council with the same brush? Just because one person has carried out such an act and conducted themselves innapropriately does not mean all councillors and council staff act in a similar manner to George Lord.

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splinksplink1 says...
7:01pm Tue 3 Apr 12

I don't know what really happened. But I do know that a jury convicted an 80 year old man based on one word against another. A man who had lost his job, friends, character and essentially everything. Word against word. I doubt he wanted to go through that a second time with much worse charges. If I was 80 I'd probably do the same. The abuse on this blog is alarming. I'm just saying what I think. Can't you guys treat me with some respect?

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induby says...
7:47pm Tue 3 Apr 12

im giving my opinion which is based on FACTS!!!!! not speculation as in your case.... court transcripts say, that whilst driving past the chateau impney in droitwich a 14 year old girl performed a sex act on Mr Lord whilst he was driving his car which apparently he subsequently nearly crashed, this is an offence he pleaded guilty too FACT along with several others!!!! FACT, and why does his age matter!!!! 80 or not if you were innocent you wouldn't plead guilty to the worst crime there is, just because you dont want it to go to trial!!! and just to make it clear he was not tortured into making a false confession. there would have been a jury FACT, he would have had a solicitor to defend him FACT and he would of been given a fair trial,based on evidence given from both sides FACT.... and the jury would not of been given infomation relating to the first case as it was unrelated and it could influence the decision,,instead the judge is aware of it and it would only come into consideration if he was found guilty and to help determine sentence... and as for disrespect,,, how disrespectful are you to the victims of this pervert, even when he admits his guilt, you still doubt them!!!!,,

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The Doosra says...
7:56pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Lizzie R wrote:

WilkoJ wrote:
I welcome the sentence, although I do not feel it goes far enough for the crime he has been found guilty for, while his back ground and services to the community etc as a councillor should not prevent him from suffering the full consequences of his actions. You do the deed, you pay the price regardless of your standing in the community.

I hope the lack of action by others at the council are investigated and brought out in to the open and that they're made to pay the price of turning a blind eye.

This whole episode makes me wonder what else council staff and councillors get up to, and I feel it is now time that all these people at County Hall were investigated and put under the microscope. These people are supposed to be in a position of responsibility and high integrity, but I suspect that the ethics of many council staff leave a lot to be desired. And I doubt I'm alone in that thinking.
Why are you tarring all people who work at the council with the same brush? Just because one person has carried out such an act and conducted themselves innapropriately does not mean all councillors and council staff act in a similar manner to George Lord.

Quite right Lizzie - speaking as a former County Council employee, I find WilkoJ's comments utterly abhorrent.

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CJH says...
8:04pm Tue 3 Apr 12

splinksplink1 says: "But I do know that a jury convicted an 80 year old man based on one word against another". That would be the word of FOUR individuals plus supporting evidence, plus his guilty plea. Just admit you've shot yourself in the foot here splinksplink1 and let's get on with something else shall we?

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CJH says...
8:06pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Sorry that should have been TWO individuals on FOUR occasions. Silly me.

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WilkoJ says...
10:18pm Tue 3 Apr 12

Lizzie R wrote:

WilkoJ wrote:
I welcome the sentence, although I do not feel it goes far enough for the crime he has been found guilty for, while his back ground and services to the community etc as a councillor should not prevent him from suffering the full consequences of his actions. You do the deed, you pay the price regardless of your standing in the community.

I hope the lack of action by others at the council are investigated and brought out in to the open and that they're made to pay the price of turning a blind eye.

This whole episode makes me wonder what else council staff and councillors get up to, and I feel it is now time that all these people at County Hall were investigated and put under the microscope. These people are supposed to be in a position of responsibility and high integrity, but I suspect that the ethics of many council staff leave a lot to be desired. And I doubt I'm alone in that thinking.
Why are you tarring all people who work at the council with the same brush? Just because one person has carried out such an act and conducted themselves innapropriately does not mean all councillors and council staff act in a similar manner to George Lord.

I, and many others, suspect that that innapropriate things do occur at the council amongst many staff.

The council has a knack of not only brushing many issues under the carpet, whether it be service delivery related issues or not, but transparency and honesty is not exactly forthcoming either from the council, while there are no comments from the Chief Executive or Leader to suggest that innappropriate behaviour action, poor behaviour, lack of integrity etc is not rife throughout the authority. In fact the silence from those at the top suggest something to the contrary.

Many people view those who work for the council with suspicion, distrust, caution and disdain and this saga with George Lord does very little to change people's perception of how council staff and councillors operate.

[quote][p][bold]Lizzie R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WilkoJ[/bold] wrote: I welcome the sentence, although I do not feel it goes far enough for the crime he has been found guilty for, while his back ground and services to the community etc as a councillor should not prevent him from suffering the full consequences of his actions. You do the deed, you pay the price regardless of your standing in the community. I hope the lack of action by others at the council are investigated and brought out in to the open and that they're made to pay the price of turning a blind eye. This whole episode makes me wonder what else council staff and councillors get up to, and I feel it is now time that all these people at County Hall were investigated and put under the microscope. These people are supposed to be in a position of responsibility and high integrity, but I suspect that the ethics of many council staff leave a lot to be desired. And I doubt I'm alone in that thinking.[/p][/quote]Why are you tarring all people who work at the council with the same brush? Just because one person has carried out such an act and conducted themselves innapropriately does not mean all councillors and council staff act in a similar manner to George Lord.[/p][/quote]I, and many others, suspect that that innapropriate things do occur at the council amongst many staff. The council has a knack of not only brushing many issues under the carpet, whether it be service delivery related issues or not, but transparency and honesty is not exactly forthcoming either from the council, while there are no comments from the Chief Executive or Leader to suggest that innappropriate behaviour action, poor behaviour, lack of integrity etc is not rife throughout the authority. In fact the silence from those at the top suggest something to the contrary. Many people view those who work for the council with suspicion, distrust, caution and disdain and this saga with George Lord does very little to change people's perception of how council staff and councillors operate. WilkoJ

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Jabbadad says...
12:14am Wed 4 Apr 12

I sadly feel that any support for George Lord will be political, and shows the depths that politics will go to save face. Just like the known Tories in these columns are weakly , but loyally trying to do.

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Ex-Worcester boy says...
8:05am Wed 4 Apr 12

If I'm a fascist to a couple on here, ok thats your opinion which is fine. Are you supporting "Lord" if you are opposed ?? If those young girls were in someway related to myself, I can assure you I would be seeking a far more henious crime than 4 yeays ( " years actually )

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cmot says...
8:16am Wed 4 Apr 12

WilkoJ wrote:

Lizzie R wrote:

WilkoJ wrote:
I welcome the sentence, although I do not feel it goes far enough for the crime he has been found guilty for, while his back ground and services to the community etc as a councillor should not prevent him from suffering the full consequences of his actions. You do the deed, you pay the price regardless of your standing in the community.

I hope the lack of action by others at the council are investigated and brought out in to the open and that they're made to pay the price of turning a blind eye.

This whole episode makes me wonder what else council staff and councillors get up to, and I feel it is now time that all these people at County Hall were investigated and put under the microscope. These people are supposed to be in a position of responsibility and high integrity, but I suspect that the ethics of many council staff leave a lot to be desired. And I doubt I'm alone in that thinking.
Why are you tarring all people who work at the council with the same brush? Just because one person has carried out such an act and conducted themselves innapropriately does not mean all councillors and council staff act in a similar manner to George Lord.
I, and many others, suspect that that innapropriate things do occur at the council amongst many staff.

The council has a knack of not only brushing many issues under the carpet, whether it be service delivery related issues or not, but transparency and honesty is not exactly forthcoming either from the council, while there are no comments from the Chief Executive or Leader to suggest that innappropriate behaviour action, poor behaviour, lack of integrity etc is not rife throughout the authority. In fact the silence from those at the top suggest something to the contrary.

Many people view those who work for the council with suspicion, distrust, caution and disdain and this saga with George Lord does very little to change people's perception of how council staff and councillors operate.

WilkoJ, as much as some may not like what you say (and I suspect that they will be council staff themselves), you do have a valid point about the conduct of council officers and councillors, and it is time their behaviour came under scrutiny to ensure that those who are in post to serve the tax payer are fit for purpose and are of utmost integrity, in and outside of work.

After all, these public servants should be setting an example on decency and good behaviour. If we are trying to get MPs in to line, why not do the same at local government level with officers and councillors, and County Hall is a good place to start.

When was the last time someone could say that they genuinely trust a council worker or said they done an excellent job as would be expected of their role? Very few people I expect.

[quote][p][bold]WilkoJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lizzie R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WilkoJ[/bold] wrote: I welcome the sentence, although I do not feel it goes far enough for the crime he has been found guilty for, while his back ground and services to the community etc as a councillor should not prevent him from suffering the full consequences of his actions. You do the deed, you pay the price regardless of your standing in the community. I hope the lack of action by others at the council are investigated and brought out in to the open and that they're made to pay the price of turning a blind eye. This whole episode makes me wonder what else council staff and councillors get up to, and I feel it is now time that all these people at County Hall were investigated and put under the microscope. These people are supposed to be in a position of responsibility and high integrity, but I suspect that the ethics of many council staff leave a lot to be desired. And I doubt I'm alone in that thinking.[/p][/quote]Why are you tarring all people who work at the council with the same brush? Just because one person has carried out such an act and conducted themselves innapropriately does not mean all councillors and council staff act in a similar manner to George Lord.[/p][/quote]I, and many others, suspect that that innapropriate things do occur at the council amongst many staff. The council has a knack of not only brushing many issues under the carpet, whether it be service delivery related issues or not, but transparency and honesty is not exactly forthcoming either from the council, while there are no comments from the Chief Executive or Leader to suggest that innappropriate behaviour action, poor behaviour, lack of integrity etc is not rife throughout the authority. In fact the silence from those at the top suggest something to the contrary. Many people view those who work for the council with suspicion, distrust, caution and disdain and this saga with George Lord does very little to change people's perception of how council staff and councillors operate.[/p][/quote]WilkoJ, as much as some may not like what you say (and I suspect that they will be council staff themselves), you do have a valid point about the conduct of council officers and councillors, and it is time their behaviour came under scrutiny to ensure that those who are in post to serve the tax payer are fit for purpose and are of utmost integrity, in and outside of work. After all, these public servants should be setting an example on decency and good behaviour. If we are trying to get MPs in to line, why not do the same at local government level with officers and councillors, and County Hall is a good place to start. When was the last time someone could say that they genuinely trust a council worker or said they done an excellent job as would be expected of their role? Very few people I expect. cmot

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induby says...
9:11am Wed 4 Apr 12

whilst i do agree that it does seem to be the conservative way to cover up, brush aside or simply just ignore anything that does not bode well for them,, i have to say this ...... when i first read the initial article yesterday my first reaction was to think this is usually people who work in the church, who commit these vile crimes,, only to read the full story later on and surprise surprise he was in fact a church worker when the abuse took place,,, it is all to a familiar story we are hearing day after day that men in positions of trust within the church are using their position to get their sexual gratifications with their under age parishioners,, in fact yesterday 2 stories appeared of 2 seperate church workers abusing children,on the same front page of this paper!!,scarily... this has become the norm,, and whilst the cover up might have been political, the route of the problem seems to be in the church!!!!!!!

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CJH says...
10:13am Wed 4 Apr 12

Well splinksplink1, now we have more facts from the court case and Lord's 'apology' can you still defend this man? I can't see how.

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induby says...
10:29am Wed 4 Apr 12

well said "CJH" i said exactly the same thing!!! except slightly less elegantly and they removed my comment, not PC enough for the masses lol

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The Doosra says...
7:34pm Wed 4 Apr 12

cmot wrote:

WilkoJ wrote:

Lizzie R wrote:

WilkoJ wrote:
I welcome the sentence, although I do not feel it goes far enough for the crime he has been found guilty for, while his back ground and services to the community etc as a councillor should not prevent him from suffering the full consequences of his actions. You do the deed, you pay the price regardless of your standing in the community.

I hope the lack of action by others at the council are investigated and brought out in to the open and that they're made to pay the price of turning a blind eye.

This whole episode makes me wonder what else council staff and councillors get up to, and I feel it is now time that all these people at County Hall were investigated and put under the microscope. These people are supposed to be in a position of responsibility and high integrity, but I suspect that the ethics of many council staff leave a lot to be desired. And I doubt I'm alone in that thinking.
Why are you tarring all people who work at the council with the same brush? Just because one person has carried out such an act and conducted themselves innapropriately does not mean all councillors and council staff act in a similar manner to George Lord.
I, and many others, suspect that that innapropriate things do occur at the council amongst many staff.

The council has a knack of not only brushing many issues under the carpet, whether it be service delivery related issues or not, but transparency and honesty is not exactly forthcoming either from the council, while there are no comments from the Chief Executive or Leader to suggest that innappropriate behaviour action, poor behaviour, lack of integrity etc is not rife throughout the authority. In fact the silence from those at the top suggest something to the contrary.

Many people view those who work for the council with suspicion, distrust, caution and disdain and this saga with George Lord does very little to change people's perception of how council staff and councillors operate.
WilkoJ, as much as some may not like what you say (and I suspect that they will be council staff themselves), you do have a valid point about the conduct of council officers and councillors, and it is time their behaviour came under scrutiny to ensure that those who are in post to serve the tax payer are fit for purpose and are of utmost integrity, in and outside of work.

After all, these public servants should be setting an example on decency and good behaviour. If we are trying to get MPs in to line, why not do the same at local government level with officers and councillors, and County Hall is a good place to start.

When was the last time someone could say that they genuinely trust a council worker or said they done an excellent job as would be expected of their role? Very few people I expect.

Prejudice, prejudice, prejudice and hot air - that's all we hear from you on the subject of the public sector. Clearly there are areas of the public sector which could be run more efficiently, but the same applies to the private sector - banks anyone?

The vast majority of my former co-workers at the County Council, worked hard for their community, making the most of inadequate resources and administering often cockeyed central government legislation.

[quote][p][bold]cmot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WilkoJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lizzie R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WilkoJ[/bold] wrote: I welcome the sentence, although I do not feel it goes far enough for the crime he has been found guilty for, while his back ground and services to the community etc as a councillor should not prevent him from suffering the full consequences of his actions. You do the deed, you pay the price regardless of your standing in the community. I hope the lack of action by others at the council are investigated and brought out in to the open and that they're made to pay the price of turning a blind eye. This whole episode makes me wonder what else council staff and councillors get up to, and I feel it is now time that all these people at County Hall were investigated and put under the microscope. These people are supposed to be in a position of responsibility and high integrity, but I suspect that the ethics of many council staff leave a lot to be desired. And I doubt I'm alone in that thinking.[/p][/quote]Why are you tarring all people who work at the council with the same brush? Just because one person has carried out such an act and conducted themselves innapropriately does not mean all councillors and council staff act in a similar manner to George Lord.[/p][/quote]I, and many others, suspect that that innapropriate things do occur at the council amongst many staff. The council has a knack of not only brushing many issues under the carpet, whether it be service delivery related issues or not, but transparency and honesty is not exactly forthcoming either from the council, while there are no comments from the Chief Executive or Leader to suggest that innappropriate behaviour action, poor behaviour, lack of integrity etc is not rife throughout the authority. In fact the silence from those at the top suggest something to the contrary. Many people view those who work for the council with suspicion, distrust, caution and disdain and this saga with George Lord does very little to change people's perception of how council staff and councillors operate.[/p][/quote]WilkoJ, as much as some may not like what you say (and I suspect that they will be council staff themselves), you do have a valid point about the conduct of council officers and councillors, and it is time their behaviour came under scrutiny to ensure that those who are in post to serve the tax payer are fit for purpose and are of utmost integrity, in and outside of work. After all, these public servants should be setting an example on decency and good behaviour. If we are trying to get MPs in to line, why not do the same at local government level with officers and councillors, and County Hall is a good place to start. When was the last time someone could say that they genuinely trust a council worker or said they done an excellent job as would be expected of their role? Very few people I expect.[/p][/quote]Prejudice, prejudice, prejudice and hot air - that's all we hear from you on the subject of the public sector. Clearly there are areas of the public sector which could be run more efficiently, but the same applies to the private sector - banks anyone? The vast majority of my former co-workers at the County Council, worked hard for their community, making the most of inadequate resources and administering often cockeyed central government legislation. The Doosra

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140354 says...
10:29am Thu 5 Apr 12

I don't know all the details and probably neither do all of those baying for this man's blood. Nowadays we have very tight laws on sexual harrasment etc but he grew up in a time when wolf whistling, a pat on the backside etc etc were acceptable (to both sexes) so perhaps his perspective on what constituted a 'sex offence' was a bit different from those of today. Therefore I would support a degree of leniency and understanding... I do not condone his actions but it's not my job to judge him either. Perhaps a prison sentence along with some counselling is appropriate. If (as a nation) we can free the Lockerbie bomber who killed hundreds (KILLED HUNDREDS!!!) because he was ill then shouldn't we be able to find some compassion for an old chap who did an awful lot of good in his life but made some mistakes.

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CJH says...
11:47am Thu 5 Apr 12

140354, who told you it was acceptable to both sexes? What an arrogant and ill-informed statement to make. It was never acceptable. It was tolerated unfortunately because we (women) had little or no recourse in the work place to stop it happening.

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pinkfluff says...
12:07pm Thu 5 Apr 12

I don't believe the courts hand out prison sentences for a 'cheeky' slap on the bottom from an old chap.

It is extremely offensive to the victims to even try to excuse this man's behaviour. It's because of those attitudes that sexual assult, grooming, rape do not go reported. The damage you do to women with those comments last a lifetime and disempower women.

Is it because these types crimes are mostly commited against women that they don't count?

Would your opinions be different if he had done this to your mother, wife, sister, daughter @ 140354?

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140354 says...
1:50pm Thu 5 Apr 12

You have to accept that this medium is not the best for in depth conversations about complex matters such as this. I'm sorry if my brief thoughts on the matter caused offence or were misinterpreted (which they were).

I did not excuse his actions ... In fact I specifically said that I did not condone his actions and that prison was appropriate but maybe I should just stick with 'throw away the keys', 'castrate him' etc etc... that is obviously what people prefer to read.

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Ex-Worcester boy says...
1:58pm Thu 5 Apr 12

140354 you have really failed the feelings of normal people commenting on this medium. I note a lot of support for the argument the ladies have stated. Lord is one sick man and no matter what period the said crimes took place they were never ever legal or acceptable.

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CJH says...
2:02pm Thu 5 Apr 12

Yes you did cause offence, but I have not misinterpreted your comment. This is what I object strongly to: "he grew up in a time when wolf whistling, a pat on the backside etc etc were acceptable (to both sexes)". On what planet would that ever be acceptable? Who gave you the right to speak for all women?

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pinkfluff says...
2:14pm Thu 5 Apr 12

@140354 I have noticed that you avoided my question, that's your perogative.

Your comments do lean towards there being mitigating circumstances surrounding his behaviour, e.g, his age and the views of society when he was growing up. I think this is a little disrespectful for people of a similar age. I feel that they would not agree that a sexual relationship with a 14 year old girl is ever acceptable.

And yes people are baying for blood but that is a relfection of the deep feelings that this case has stirred up....they have every right to feel appalled and disgusted.

And finally, no I don't believe there is room for an in depth conversation about this subject. It's inexcusable behaviour and it is dangerous to try and do so.

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CJH says...
4:59pm Fri 6 Apr 12

140354 wrote:
As conversation is out I suggest you read this... http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Age_of_cons ent_manifestations_( UK)

But the age of consent is NOT 14 is it? It wasn't when the original incidents took place or last year.
You did not answer the questions I put to you in my post at 2.02 pm 5 April. Nor did you respond to Pinkfluff. If you have no defence then we would think better of you if you just put your hands up and said ok I was wrong in making these statements, let's leave it at that. Failing that please provide your evidence that women have ever found sexual misconduct acceptable. I don't think you'll find it on Wikipedia though...

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FranOb says...
5:18pm Fri 6 Apr 12

A wolf whistle, or even a pat on the anatomy are miles different from what he did. He groomed and abused a CHILD!
There was never a time when THAT was acceptable.

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jovialcommonsense says...
7:38pm Fri 6 Apr 12

CJH
"Failing that please provide your evidence that women have ever found sexual misconduct acceptable"
You will find plenty of reports in national newspapers where women have been involved in depraved activity with children and adults.
However I know you didn't mean that, but I decided to take you literally like you do others.

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CJH says...
8:03pm Fri 6 Apr 12

jovialcommonsense wrote:
CJH "Failing that please provide your evidence that women have ever found sexual misconduct acceptable" You will find plenty of reports in national newspapers where women have been involved in depraved activity with children and adults. However I know you didn't mean that, but I decided to take you literally like you do others.

Oh I see - so you said it, but you didn't mean it. Of course, I should have guessed. However, you've sunk even lower in my opinion now with your defence of "You will find plenty of reports in national newspapers where women have been involved in depraved activity with children and adults". What on earth has that got to do with women being the victims of sexual misconduct? You are trivialising the experiences that some women have been through. You know full well that those are the exception, not the rule. You're on the back foot here, so just carry your bat and walk back to the pavilion while you still have some dignity.

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jovialcommonsense says...
10:09pm Fri 6 Apr 12

CJH wrote:

140354 wrote:
As conversation is out I suggest you read this... http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Age_of_cons ent_manifestations_( UK)
But the age of consent is NOT 14 is it? It wasn't when the original incidents took place or last year.
You did not answer the questions I put to you in my post at 2.02 pm 5 April. Nor did you respond to Pinkfluff. If you have no defence then we would think better of you if you just put your hands up and said ok I was wrong in making these statements, let's leave it at that. Failing that please provide your evidence that women have ever found sexual misconduct acceptable. I don't think you'll find it on Wikipedia though...

No mention of VICTIMS in this post. Therefore my comment was perfectly justified.

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CJH says...
11:23pm Fri 6 Apr 12

Absolutely hopeless, or pointless, I don't know which.

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jovialcommonsense says...
11:48pm Fri 6 Apr 12

At last you are trying, albeit unsuccessfully, to figure out what has been written.
You have read what others have written and attacked those you disagreed with, by reading literally what was written and have not tried to understand their meanings.
That is what I was trying to make you aware of.

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twixy123 says...
4:27pm Mon 9 Apr 12

we have a CONVICTED peodaphile living opposite us, he has been in jail for this crime 3 times, my children want to play out over the easter, when i tell them NO how do i follow it with an explination, no wonder kids are unfit and sat infront of a computer. You just can't let them out to play anymore because of people like this. he did the crime, no matter what age he can do the time, as for the council.............
well where do you start?

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