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COMMENT: So why was murderer here in our city?
9:15am Wednesday 19th March 2008
Comments (58)- Should foreign killers be allowed to enter the UK? Discuss this in depth in our You Say section here.
AS twisted double killer Joao De Oliveira begins a life sentence for the brutal slaying of Worcester man John Lloyd we have just one question to ask - what the hell was he doing in this country in the first place?
Bodybuilder De Oliveira butchered Mr Lloyd because he thought he was getting too close to his girlfriend. The frail decorator was stabbed more than 60 times at his Warndon flat.
But in 2001 the German-born De Oliveira, who was brought up in Portugal, was jailed for four years in Germany for killing a woman and dumping her body in a recycling bin.
When he was released the German authorities kicked him out of the country and banned him from returning for 10 years.
So he came here. And now he has killed again. The rules say that EU nationals are free to move between member states unless they are a threat to national security. So De Oliveira was free to move here, undetected and unwatched. That cannot be right.
MP Mike Foster defends the system by saying it is no different to someone committing a murder in Liverpool, serving his or her sentence and moving to Worcester.
Yes it is.
In the scenario painted by Mr Foster UK police forces would talk to each other, particularly following the Ian Huntley case. De Oliveira, however, was free to walk into this country and effectively free to kill again. There needs to be an inquiry.
And if EU rules allow the likes of De Oliveira to roam free then they need to be changed.
- Why the hell was he here?
- Killer's past revealed
- Co-accused was taken advantage of
- Victim loved his books
- Portugese community was vital to investigation
- Should foreign killers be allowed to enter the UK? Discuss this in depth in our Your Say section here.
Your Say Your Worcester
local resident, worcester says...
10:17am Wed 19 Mar 08
Is it likely that we can transfer some of our murderers abroad? lets get rid of them that way then. Well done Mike Foster for looking after your constituants well fare in the same way that you usually do. Of course it is not the same as a murderer moving here from Liverpool. The English public have a pretty good idea of murderers in their midst. Does this now mean that we have to keep track of them worldwide as well?
Alan2, Worcester says...
10:37am Wed 19 Mar 08
Michael Foster is a member of the Party that allowed all and sundry to enter this country in their droves without "let or hindrance" and now has the gall and idiocy to say that it is no different than someone committing an offence in Liverpool. The UK is but one of three countries in the EU to allow all other EU citizens unrestricted entry into our country - we have Bliar and Brown's New Labour Party to thank for that.
This outrageous and irresponsible policy - which many regard as a total calamity is thankfully going to cost them dear at the next election. It is also driving normally decent people into the extremist parties.
We now have it on record what Michael Fosters thoughts are on the subject of foreign criminals in this country. ELECTORATE OF WORCESTER - REMEMBER AT THE NEXT ELECTION.
This outrageous and irresponsible policy - which many regard as a total calamity is thankfully going to cost them dear at the next election. It is also driving normally decent people into the extremist parties.
We now have it on record what Michael Fosters thoughts are on the subject of foreign criminals in this country. ELECTORATE OF WORCESTER - REMEMBER AT THE NEXT ELECTION.
Alan2, Worcester says...
10:37am Wed 19 Mar 08
Michael Foster is a member of the Party that allowed all and sundry to enter this country in their droves without "let or hindrance" and now has the gall and idiocy to say that it is no different than someone committing an offence in Liverpool. The UK is but one of three countries in the EU to allow all other EU citizens unrestricted entry into our country - we have Bliar and Brown's New Labour Party to thank for that.
This outrageous and irresponsible policy - which many regard as a total calamity is thankfully going to cost them dear at the next election. It is also driving normally decent people into the extremist parties.
We now have it on record what Michael Fosters thoughts are on the subject of foreign criminals in this country. ELECTORATE OF WORCESTER - REMEMBER AT THE NEXT ELECTION.
This outrageous and irresponsible policy - which many regard as a total calamity is thankfully going to cost them dear at the next election. It is also driving normally decent people into the extremist parties.
We now have it on record what Michael Fosters thoughts are on the subject of foreign criminals in this country. ELECTORATE OF WORCESTER - REMEMBER AT THE NEXT ELECTION.
Indignant, Worcester says...
11:06am Wed 19 Mar 08
Well said, Mike Foster. That's just the sort of disgusting betrayal we've come to expect from inept politicians and governments such as yourself. Try getting into the USA if they know you've committed even a minor crime. The answer, Mr. Foster, is 'NO'. Known criminals should NEVER be allowed into this country under any circumstances. It's your type of attitude that will eventually lead to the rise of vigilante groups - maybe then we would get some effective policing aimed at control over real criminals instead of the motorist.
Indignant, Worcester says...
11:06am Wed 19 Mar 08
Well said, Mike Foster. That's just the sort of disgusting betrayal we've come to expect from inept politicians and governments such as yourself. Try getting into the USA if they know you've committed even a minor crime. The answer, Mr. Foster, is 'NO'. Known criminals should NEVER be allowed into this country under any circumstances. It's your type of attitude that will eventually lead to the rise of vigilante groups - maybe then we would get some effective policing aimed at control over real criminals instead of the motorist.
chippie, Worcester says...
11:24am Wed 19 Mar 08
I do hope the Electorate will remember all this at the next General Election - still local ones to get through first. I do feel we are being betrayed by our local and national Government politicians - I feel they have lost the plot now.
chippie, Worcester says...
11:24am Wed 19 Mar 08
I do hope the Electorate will remember all this at the next General Election - still local ones to get through first. I do feel we are being betrayed by our local and national Government politicians - I feel they have lost the plot now.
ken18, worcester says...
11:25am Wed 19 Mar 08
The previous comments say it all.The UK is a soft touch for all and sundry to take advantage of and don`t they know it.Queue up for the benefits people, there`s plenty to go around -unless you`re British! Numerous Governments have betrayed their own citizens and conveniently forget those who have helped us in the past ref Gurkas!
ken18, worcester says...
11:25am Wed 19 Mar 08
The previous comments say it all.The UK is a soft touch for all and sundry to take advantage of and don`t they know it.Queue up for the benefits people, there`s plenty to go around -unless you`re British! Numerous Governments have betrayed their own citizens and conveniently forget those who have helped us in the past ref Gurkas!
pauline, worcester says...
11:29am Wed 19 Mar 08
Mr. Foster, We have enough problems already please do not let known criminals into this country when they end up in our prisons we the tax payer end up paying to keep them
pauline, worcester says...
11:29am Wed 19 Mar 08
Mr. Foster, We have enough problems already please do not let known criminals into this country when they end up in our prisons we the tax payer end up paying to keep them
chippie, Worcester says...
11:31am Wed 19 Mar 08
I do hope Mr. Foster will take on board the above comments and issue some apology for his ill-thought comments.
chippie, Worcester says...
11:31am Wed 19 Mar 08
I do hope Mr. Foster will take on board the above comments and issue some apology for his ill-thought comments.
Stan Parr, Pershore says...
11:42am Wed 19 Mar 08
As I said under the main article - we are total prats!
We now have to look after this chap for 25 years at £3,000 per WEEK cost to us the taxpayer!
If the people in so-called power, don't get their act together, then I fear, as Indignant says, there will inevitably be a rise in vigilante groups - we have all had enough of this nonsense - have we not?
We now have to look after this chap for 25 years at £3,000 per WEEK cost to us the taxpayer!
If the people in so-called power, don't get their act together, then I fear, as Indignant says, there will inevitably be a rise in vigilante groups - we have all had enough of this nonsense - have we not?
Stan Parr, Pershore says...
11:42am Wed 19 Mar 08
As I said under the main article - we are total prats!
We now have to look after this chap for 25 years at £3,000 per WEEK cost to us the taxpayer!
If the people in so-called power, don't get their act together, then I fear, as Indignant says, there will inevitably be a rise in vigilante groups - we have all had enough of this nonsense - have we not?
We now have to look after this chap for 25 years at £3,000 per WEEK cost to us the taxpayer!
If the people in so-called power, don't get their act together, then I fear, as Indignant says, there will inevitably be a rise in vigilante groups - we have all had enough of this nonsense - have we not?
chippie, Worcester says...
12:11pm Wed 19 Mar 08
I think this topic will go on for a long time and hopefully one day we will get our message through! - keep fighting
chippie, Worcester says...
12:11pm Wed 19 Mar 08
I think this topic will go on for a long time and hopefully one day we will get our message through! - keep fighting
Disbelief, Worcester says...
1:31pm Wed 19 Mar 08
The rules say that EU nationals are free to move between member states unless they are a threat to national security. So De Oliveira was free to move here, undetected and unwatched. That cannot be right.
So does the Worcester News take the view that free movement should not be allowed. How many British criminals are living in different countries??Can you hear those countries complaining.So the man was a known criminal,but he had not committed a crime in this country.Are we so bigoted that we should deny free movement to a man who served a sentence in another country. What about Brits abroad who are in prison, should we deny them re-entry when their sentence is finished??
Should we have left Michael Shields in a Bulgarian prison??Mike Foster is right, and some of the comments on this subject are just ridiculous.
So does the Worcester News take the view that free movement should not be allowed. How many British criminals are living in different countries??Can you hear those countries complaining.So the man was a known criminal,but he had not committed a crime in this country.Are we so bigoted that we should deny free movement to a man who served a sentence in another country. What about Brits abroad who are in prison, should we deny them re-entry when their sentence is finished??
Should we have left Michael Shields in a Bulgarian prison??Mike Foster is right, and some of the comments on this subject are just ridiculous.
Disbelief, Worcester says...
1:31pm Wed 19 Mar 08
The rules say that EU nationals are free to move between member states unless they are a threat to national security. So De Oliveira was free to move here, undetected and unwatched. That cannot be right.
So does the Worcester News take the view that free movement should not be allowed. How many British criminals are living in different countries??Can you hear those countries complaining.So the man was a known criminal,but he had not committed a crime in this country.Are we so bigoted that we should deny free movement to a man who served a sentence in another country. What about Brits abroad who are in prison, should we deny them re-entry when their sentence is finished??
Should we have left Michael Shields in a Bulgarian prison??Mike Foster is right, and some of the comments on this subject are just ridiculous.
So does the Worcester News take the view that free movement should not be allowed. How many British criminals are living in different countries??Can you hear those countries complaining.So the man was a known criminal,but he had not committed a crime in this country.Are we so bigoted that we should deny free movement to a man who served a sentence in another country. What about Brits abroad who are in prison, should we deny them re-entry when their sentence is finished??
Should we have left Michael Shields in a Bulgarian prison??Mike Foster is right, and some of the comments on this subject are just ridiculous.
Logik, worcester says...
1:51pm Wed 19 Mar 08
What disturbs me most are Michael Foster’s comments. This so called representative of ours sees nothing wrong in allowing all and sundry, including the dregs of the EU into the UK which is now just the EU’s dustbin for its undesirables.
Is Michael Foster made of wood? Someone needs to cut his strings to see if he is capable of any independent, rational and reasonable thinking. Let’s be honest, he can’t say that this case is disgraceful and that they shouldn’t be allowed to come here as this would mean not following the party line towards uncontrolled immigration. Gordon tells him what he should think and do. I do wonder however what his views would be if it was one of his family who had been murdered. I conclude that they would probably be the same as he puts himself and his political aspirations above everything else.
What a pathetic excuse for an MP we surely have. A man whose only interest is that of doing the party’s bidding and furthering his political career irrespective of his constituents views. Hardly being a representative is it!
Since being elected in 1997, Mr Foster’s majority has shrunk each time in subsequent elections. With a mere 3000+ majority last time he can not be considered safe, so next time let’s hope he’s out, that’s assuming of course that the EU allow us to have elections for a puppet government that is controlled ultimately by the EU.
Plank!!!
Is Michael Foster made of wood? Someone needs to cut his strings to see if he is capable of any independent, rational and reasonable thinking. Let’s be honest, he can’t say that this case is disgraceful and that they shouldn’t be allowed to come here as this would mean not following the party line towards uncontrolled immigration. Gordon tells him what he should think and do. I do wonder however what his views would be if it was one of his family who had been murdered. I conclude that they would probably be the same as he puts himself and his political aspirations above everything else.
What a pathetic excuse for an MP we surely have. A man whose only interest is that of doing the party’s bidding and furthering his political career irrespective of his constituents views. Hardly being a representative is it!
Since being elected in 1997, Mr Foster’s majority has shrunk each time in subsequent elections. With a mere 3000+ majority last time he can not be considered safe, so next time let’s hope he’s out, that’s assuming of course that the EU allow us to have elections for a puppet government that is controlled ultimately by the EU.
Plank!!!
Logik, worcester says...
1:51pm Wed 19 Mar 08
What disturbs me most are Michael FosterÂ’s comments. This so called representative of ours sees nothing wrong in allowing all and sundry, including the dregs of the EU into the UK which is now just the EUÂ’s dustbin for its undesirables.
Is Michael Foster made of wood? Someone needs to cut his strings to see if he is capable of any independent, rational and reasonable thinking. LetÂ’s be honest, he canÂ’t say that this case is disgraceful and that they shouldnÂ’t be allowed to come here as this would mean not following the party line towards uncontrolled immigration. Gordon tells him what he should think and do. I do wonder however what his views would be if it was one of his family who had been murdered. I conclude that they would probably be the same as he puts himself and his political aspirations above everything else.
What a pathetic excuse for an MP we surely have. A man whose only interest is that of doing the partyÂ’s bidding and furthering his political career irrespective of his constituents views. Hardly being a representative is it!
Since being elected in 1997, Mr FosterÂ’s majority has shrunk each time in subsequent elections. With a mere 3000+ majority last time he can not be considered safe, so next time letÂ’s hope heÂ’s out, thatÂ’s assuming of course that the EU allow us to have elections for a puppet government that is controlled ultimately by the EU.
Plank!!!
Is Michael Foster made of wood? Someone needs to cut his strings to see if he is capable of any independent, rational and reasonable thinking. LetÂ’s be honest, he canÂ’t say that this case is disgraceful and that they shouldnÂ’t be allowed to come here as this would mean not following the party line towards uncontrolled immigration. Gordon tells him what he should think and do. I do wonder however what his views would be if it was one of his family who had been murdered. I conclude that they would probably be the same as he puts himself and his political aspirations above everything else.
What a pathetic excuse for an MP we surely have. A man whose only interest is that of doing the partyÂ’s bidding and furthering his political career irrespective of his constituents views. Hardly being a representative is it!
Since being elected in 1997, Mr FosterÂ’s majority has shrunk each time in subsequent elections. With a mere 3000+ majority last time he can not be considered safe, so next time letÂ’s hope heÂ’s out, thatÂ’s assuming of course that the EU allow us to have elections for a puppet government that is controlled ultimately by the EU.
Plank!!!
Alan2, Worcester says...
3:11pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Disbelief, I agree, some of these comments are ridiculous and they are all yours. Free movement in the view of many should not be allowed - least of all murderers.
Again we get the pathetic accusation of being "bigoted" because we object to allowing murderers into our country to murder again. Fine, if that, means that I am a bigot in the eyes of Disbelief, I won't object. Together with the word "Racist" those are the accusations of the pathetics who have no solid foundation for their case other than to try and insult people. If objecting to the presence in this country of a foreign (Brazilian/Portugues
e/
German or whatever he is), murderer then again, fine, call me a racist, I don't mind. The words "bigot" and "racist" are used so frequently now by the liberal left and the others who would do our country down that they say more about those that use them than about those they are levelled at
As for refusing entry to our own returning ex prisoners - how relevant is that - youv'e lost me. If other countries wish to object to British criminals going to live in their countries - good, I would support them because all they do is bring disgrace on our country when they go there. Why should we export our criminal problems to them.
For an MP, Michael Foster to come out in his own Constituency with the crass comments that he did when one of the most horrendous murders has only just been committed is to show a total and utter disregard for anyone associated with the victim, his family and friends and so on, the Worcester electorate and, not least his country. I disregard the silly comments of Disbelief because those are of no consequence but an MP - now that is another matter completely. No diplomatic skirting around the issue or the spin that is the hallmark of New Labour - no, straight out, "no different to someone committing a murder in Liverpool".
That insensitive, ill thought out, insulting and politically weighted
remark is what we have come to expect from Mr. Foster whos'e last consideration, as with his vote for the EU Treaty, is his constituents. But we shouldn't just blame Mr Foster, the whole disgusting bunch of New Labour are responsible for getting this country into the state it is, he is just one of the many.
Again we get the pathetic accusation of being "bigoted" because we object to allowing murderers into our country to murder again. Fine, if that, means that I am a bigot in the eyes of Disbelief, I won't object. Together with the word "Racist" those are the accusations of the pathetics who have no solid foundation for their case other than to try and insult people. If objecting to the presence in this country of a foreign (Brazilian/Portugues
e/
German or whatever he is), murderer then again, fine, call me a racist, I don't mind. The words "bigot" and "racist" are used so frequently now by the liberal left and the others who would do our country down that they say more about those that use them than about those they are levelled at
As for refusing entry to our own returning ex prisoners - how relevant is that - youv'e lost me. If other countries wish to object to British criminals going to live in their countries - good, I would support them because all they do is bring disgrace on our country when they go there. Why should we export our criminal problems to them.
For an MP, Michael Foster to come out in his own Constituency with the crass comments that he did when one of the most horrendous murders has only just been committed is to show a total and utter disregard for anyone associated with the victim, his family and friends and so on, the Worcester electorate and, not least his country. I disregard the silly comments of Disbelief because those are of no consequence but an MP - now that is another matter completely. No diplomatic skirting around the issue or the spin that is the hallmark of New Labour - no, straight out, "no different to someone committing a murder in Liverpool".
That insensitive, ill thought out, insulting and politically weighted
remark is what we have come to expect from Mr. Foster whos'e last consideration, as with his vote for the EU Treaty, is his constituents. But we shouldn't just blame Mr Foster, the whole disgusting bunch of New Labour are responsible for getting this country into the state it is, he is just one of the many.
Alan2, Worcester says...
3:11pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Disbelief, I agree, some of these comments are ridiculous and they are all yours. Free movement in the view of many should not be allowed - least of all murderers.
Again we get the pathetic accusation of being "bigoted" because we object to allowing murderers into our country to murder again. Fine, if that, means that I am a bigot in the eyes of Disbelief, I won't object. Together with the word "Racist" those are the accusations of the pathetics who have no solid foundation for their case other than to try and insult people. If objecting to the presence in this country of a foreign (Brazilian/Portugues
e/
German or whatever he is), murderer then again, fine, call me a racist, I don't mind. The words "bigot" and "racist" are used so frequently now by the liberal left and the others who would do our country down that they say more about those that use them than about those they are levelled at
As for refusing entry to our own returning ex prisoners - how relevant is that - youv'e lost me. If other countries wish to object to British criminals going to live in their countries - good, I would support them because all they do is bring disgrace on our country when they go there. Why should we export our criminal problems to them.
For an MP, Michael Foster to come out in his own Constituency with the crass comments that he did when one of the most horrendous murders has only just been committed is to show a total and utter disregard for anyone associated with the victim, his family and friends and so on, the Worcester electorate and, not least his country. I disregard the silly comments of Disbelief because those are of no consequence but an MP - now that is another matter completely. No diplomatic skirting around the issue or the spin that is the hallmark of New Labour - no, straight out, "no different to someone committing a murder in Liverpool".
That insensitive, ill thought out, insulting and politically weighted
remark is what we have come to expect from Mr. Foster whos'e last consideration, as with his vote for the EU Treaty, is his constituents. But we shouldn't just blame Mr Foster, the whole disgusting bunch of New Labour are responsible for getting this country into the state it is, he is just one of the many.
Again we get the pathetic accusation of being "bigoted" because we object to allowing murderers into our country to murder again. Fine, if that, means that I am a bigot in the eyes of Disbelief, I won't object. Together with the word "Racist" those are the accusations of the pathetics who have no solid foundation for their case other than to try and insult people. If objecting to the presence in this country of a foreign (Brazilian/Portugues
e/
German or whatever he is), murderer then again, fine, call me a racist, I don't mind. The words "bigot" and "racist" are used so frequently now by the liberal left and the others who would do our country down that they say more about those that use them than about those they are levelled at
As for refusing entry to our own returning ex prisoners - how relevant is that - youv'e lost me. If other countries wish to object to British criminals going to live in their countries - good, I would support them because all they do is bring disgrace on our country when they go there. Why should we export our criminal problems to them.
For an MP, Michael Foster to come out in his own Constituency with the crass comments that he did when one of the most horrendous murders has only just been committed is to show a total and utter disregard for anyone associated with the victim, his family and friends and so on, the Worcester electorate and, not least his country. I disregard the silly comments of Disbelief because those are of no consequence but an MP - now that is another matter completely. No diplomatic skirting around the issue or the spin that is the hallmark of New Labour - no, straight out, "no different to someone committing a murder in Liverpool".
That insensitive, ill thought out, insulting and politically weighted
remark is what we have come to expect from Mr. Foster whos'e last consideration, as with his vote for the EU Treaty, is his constituents. But we shouldn't just blame Mr Foster, the whole disgusting bunch of New Labour are responsible for getting this country into the state it is, he is just one of the many.
Disbelief, Worcester says...
3:18pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Alan2, as I thought these comments are just a personal attack on Mike Foster. I have no doubt that Alan2 is a fully paid up member of the tories.
Disbelief, Worcester says...
3:18pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Alan2, as I thought these comments are just a personal attack on Mike Foster. I have no doubt that Alan2 is a fully paid up member of the tories.
Logik, worcester says...
3:53pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Disbelief wrote:...and disbelief is obviously a fully paid up member of Nu-Labour.
Alan2, as I thought these comments are just a personal attack on Mike Foster. I have no doubt that Alan2 is a fully paid up member of the tories.
You also said:-
The rules say that EU nationals are free to move between member states unless they are a threat to national security.
Who gives a monkey's chuff about EU rules, it may have escaped your notice Disbelief that the majority of people are sick to the back teeth of EU rules. How would you feel if one of your own family was murdered by a known EU criminal who had already killed before. He was born in Germany, yet the Germans threw him out, what does that tell you.
Disbelief, I am in disbelief of your comments.
Logik, worcester says...
3:53pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Disbelief wrote:...and disbelief is obviously a fully paid up member of Nu-Labour.
Alan2, as I thought these comments are just a personal attack on Mike Foster. I have no doubt that Alan2 is a fully paid up member of the tories.
You also said:-
The rules say that EU nationals are free to move between member states unless they are a threat to national security.
Who gives a monkey's chuff about EU rules, it may have escaped your notice Disbelief that the majority of people are sick to the back teeth of EU rules. How would you feel if one of your own family was murdered by a known EU criminal who had already killed before. He was born in Germany, yet the Germans threw him out, what does that tell you.
Disbelief, I am in disbelief of your comments.
popeye, daventry says...
4:09pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Mike Foster seems to have a pathological hatred for his constituents.Lets hope the good people of Worcester remember this at the next election,they deserve better.
popeye, daventry says...
4:09pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Mike Foster seems to have a pathological hatred for his constituents.Lets hope the good people of Worcester remember this at the next election,they deserve better.
John Wylds, Worcester says...
4:15pm Wed 19 Mar 08
How would you feel if one of your own family was murdered by a known EU criminal who had already killed before. He was born in Germany, yet the Germans threw him out, what does that tell you.
So if a Worcester person commits a murder, does that person have to remain in Worcester after they have served their sentence or does that person have to go to another city.
Therefore from what you have said is that David McGreavy, the Gillam Street murderer should be allowed to return to Worcester? Or do you agree with Michael Foster's comments from January 2006?
Mike Foster, MP for Worcester, has called for an order to be placed on McGreavy to prevent him returning to the Faithful City.
He said: "These were indescribable acts of brutality that still sicken the people of Worcester when they recollect the events.
"My gut instinct is that this man should spend the rest of his life in prison. His crimes were just as terrible as those of other notorious killers, such as Myra Hindley and Ian Brady, for whom life rightly meant life.
"But if he is released, I think that under no circumstances should he be allowed back to Worcester. The impact this would have on the city would be too great."
John Wylds, Worcester says...
4:15pm Wed 19 Mar 08
How would you feel if one of your own family was murdered by a known EU criminal who had already killed before. He was born in Germany, yet the Germans threw him out, what does that tell you.
So if a Worcester person commits a murder, does that person have to remain in Worcester after they have served their sentence or does that person have to go to another city.
Therefore from what you have said is that David McGreavy, the Gillam Street murderer should be allowed to return to Worcester? Or do you agree with Michael Foster's comments from January 2006?
Mike Foster, MP for Worcester, has called for an order to be placed on McGreavy to prevent him returning to the Faithful City.
He said: "These were indescribable acts of brutality that still sicken the people of Worcester when they recollect the events.
"My gut instinct is that this man should spend the rest of his life in prison. His crimes were just as terrible as those of other notorious killers, such as Myra Hindley and Ian Brady, for whom life rightly meant life.
"But if he is released, I think that under no circumstances should he be allowed back to Worcester. The impact this would have on the city would be too great."
Alan2, Worcester says...
4:21pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Disbelief, you think what you will. I am a fully paid up member of no party. Yes, this is a personal attack on Mike Foster and don't forget New Labour as well. I would make a similar attack on anyone from any party who came out with this outrageous, party clap-trap.
As Logic say's, I wonder what our high principled, fair minded, conscientious, constituency loyal Member of Parliament, Mr Michael Foster would have to say if his wife or one of his children, his father, close relative or even Gordon Brown was murdered by some maniac who had murdered before and had been let into this country because of his own party's idiotic policies. He would sing a different tune. Mr Lloyd had relatives to, perhaps you and Mr Foster had forgotten.
Disbelief, my suspicions are working overtime again, say that you are not a "plant" put up to defend our Mr Foster.
As Logic say's, I wonder what our high principled, fair minded, conscientious, constituency loyal Member of Parliament, Mr Michael Foster would have to say if his wife or one of his children, his father, close relative or even Gordon Brown was murdered by some maniac who had murdered before and had been let into this country because of his own party's idiotic policies. He would sing a different tune. Mr Lloyd had relatives to, perhaps you and Mr Foster had forgotten.
Disbelief, my suspicions are working overtime again, say that you are not a "plant" put up to defend our Mr Foster.
Alan2, Worcester says...
4:21pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Disbelief, you think what you will. I am a fully paid up member of no party. Yes, this is a personal attack on Mike Foster and don't forget New Labour as well. I would make a similar attack on anyone from any party who came out with this outrageous, party clap-trap.
As Logic say's, I wonder what our high principled, fair minded, conscientious, constituency loyal Member of Parliament, Mr Michael Foster would have to say if his wife or one of his children, his father, close relative or even Gordon Brown was murdered by some maniac who had murdered before and had been let into this country because of his own party's idiotic policies. He would sing a different tune. Mr Lloyd had relatives to, perhaps you and Mr Foster had forgotten.
Disbelief, my suspicions are working overtime again, say that you are not a "plant" put up to defend our Mr Foster.
As Logic say's, I wonder what our high principled, fair minded, conscientious, constituency loyal Member of Parliament, Mr Michael Foster would have to say if his wife or one of his children, his father, close relative or even Gordon Brown was murdered by some maniac who had murdered before and had been let into this country because of his own party's idiotic policies. He would sing a different tune. Mr Lloyd had relatives to, perhaps you and Mr Foster had forgotten.
Disbelief, my suspicions are working overtime again, say that you are not a "plant" put up to defend our Mr Foster.
popeye, daventry says...
4:31pm Wed 19 Mar 08
It's not hard to agree with Mike Fosters thoughts on McGreavy,because he knows full well McGreavy will never be released,so he will never return to Worcester
popeye, daventry says...
4:31pm Wed 19 Mar 08
It's not hard to agree with Mike Fosters thoughts on McGreavy,because he knows full well McGreavy will never be released,so he will never return to Worcester
Logik, worcester says...
4:52pm Wed 19 Mar 08
John Wylds, as popeye says, it is easy to comment on McGreavy when the likelihood of him ever getting released are slim. All just hypothetical, but should he ever be released then I would not expect him to be foisted upon another country.
As a country we have to deal with our own criminal elements, but why do we have to import criminal elements from other EU countries as well.
I dare say, if this affected you or your family directly, your views would be wholly different.
Michael Foster's views are indefensible.
As a country we have to deal with our own criminal elements, but why do we have to import criminal elements from other EU countries as well.
I dare say, if this affected you or your family directly, your views would be wholly different.
Michael Foster's views are indefensible.
Logik, worcester says...
4:52pm Wed 19 Mar 08
John Wylds, as popeye says, it is easy to comment on McGreavy when the likelihood of him ever getting released are slim. All just hypothetical, but should he ever be released then I would not expect him to be foisted upon another country.
As a country we have to deal with our own criminal elements, but why do we have to import criminal elements from other EU countries as well.
I dare say, if this affected you or your family directly, your views would be wholly different.
Michael Foster's views are indefensible.
As a country we have to deal with our own criminal elements, but why do we have to import criminal elements from other EU countries as well.
I dare say, if this affected you or your family directly, your views would be wholly different.
Michael Foster's views are indefensible.
logicalN, MALVERN says...
5:38pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Has everyone forgotten the "Costa del Crime"?
Most of them hadn't been convicted but they were our criminals in another EU coountry
Most of them hadn't been convicted but they were our criminals in another EU coountry
logicalN, MALVERN says...
5:38pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Has everyone forgotten the "Costa del Crime"?
Most of them hadn't been convicted but they were our criminals in another EU coountry
Most of them hadn't been convicted but they were our criminals in another EU coountry
logicalN, MALVERN says...
5:39pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Has everyone forgotten the "Costa del Crime"?
Most of them hadn't been convicted but they were our criminals in another EU coountry
Most of them hadn't been convicted but they were our criminals in another EU coountry
logicalN, MALVERN says...
5:39pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Has everyone forgotten the "Costa del Crime"?
Most of them hadn't been convicted but they were our criminals in another EU coountry
Most of them hadn't been convicted but they were our criminals in another EU coountry
popeye, daventry says...
6:43pm Wed 19 Mar 08
The Spanish authorities tolerated our criminals,because they would not extradite them back to the U.K.They were a very good source of revenue,and they never committed crime whilst there.
popeye, daventry says...
6:43pm Wed 19 Mar 08
The Spanish authorities tolerated our criminals,because they would not extradite them back to the U.K.They were a very good source of revenue,and they never committed crime whilst there.
k gardner, torpoint says...
7:31pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Send 'em all to Siberia I say, including our own UK killers.
k gardner, torpoint says...
7:31pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Send 'em all to Siberia I say, including our own UK killers.
John Wylds, Worcester says...
8:00am Thu 20 Mar 08
should he ever be released then I would not expect him to be foisted upon another country.
seeing as your nickname is Logik, I was kind of hoping you might apply some logic to the argument. Is there a difference having criminals being sent to different countries or different cities. Is it just not a case of geography and miles. What would have been your thoughts on a english,an commiting a crime abroad and being extradited back to the UK? And if McGreavy is ever released, your argument follows that it will be ok for him to go anywhere as long as it's not here. You can't have both sides of the argument.
John Wylds, Worcester says...
8:00am Thu 20 Mar 08
should he ever be released then I would not expect him to be foisted upon another country.
seeing as your nickname is Logik, I was kind of hoping you might apply some logic to the argument. Is there a difference having criminals being sent to different countries or different cities. Is it just not a case of geography and miles. What would have been your thoughts on a english,an commiting a crime abroad and being extradited back to the UK? And if McGreavy is ever released, your argument follows that it will be ok for him to go anywhere as long as it's not here. You can't have both sides of the argument.
Logik, worcester says...
10:08am Thu 20 Mar 08
John,
1. We are talking about an already convicted foreign national killer being freely let into our country and he has killed again. Had he not been allowed to come here then the victim would still be alive. Would this guy have got in the USA or Australia etc, absolutely not, so why should he be able to come here.
2. With McGreavy, all I said is that I would not expect him to be foisted on another country. If it was up to me he wouldn't even be on this earth at all, problem solved.
Perhaps you should put a welcome sign on your door so that they can all come and live next to you.
Also take note of the Worcester News poll, I am with the 87.7% who think it is wrong to allow such criminals to move within our shores.
1. We are talking about an already convicted foreign national killer being freely let into our country and he has killed again. Had he not been allowed to come here then the victim would still be alive. Would this guy have got in the USA or Australia etc, absolutely not, so why should he be able to come here.
2. With McGreavy, all I said is that I would not expect him to be foisted on another country. If it was up to me he wouldn't even be on this earth at all, problem solved.
Perhaps you should put a welcome sign on your door so that they can all come and live next to you.
Also take note of the Worcester News poll, I am with the 87.7% who think it is wrong to allow such criminals to move within our shores.
Logik, worcester says...
10:08am Thu 20 Mar 08
John,
1. We are talking about an already convicted foreign national killer being freely let into our country and he has killed again. Had he not been allowed to come here then the victim would still be alive. Would this guy have got in the USA or Australia etc, absolutely not, so why should he be able to come here.
2. With McGreavy, all I said is that I would not expect him to be foisted on another country. If it was up to me he wouldn't even be on this earth at all, problem solved.
Perhaps you should put a welcome sign on your door so that they can all come and live next to you.
Also take note of the Worcester News poll, I am with the 87.7% who think it is wrong to allow such criminals to move within our shores.
1. We are talking about an already convicted foreign national killer being freely let into our country and he has killed again. Had he not been allowed to come here then the victim would still be alive. Would this guy have got in the USA or Australia etc, absolutely not, so why should he be able to come here.
2. With McGreavy, all I said is that I would not expect him to be foisted on another country. If it was up to me he wouldn't even be on this earth at all, problem solved.
Perhaps you should put a welcome sign on your door so that they can all come and live next to you.
Also take note of the Worcester News poll, I am with the 87.7% who think it is wrong to allow such criminals to move within our shores.
Alan2, Worcester says...
11:54am Thu 20 Mar 08
"Is it not just a case of geography and miles".
It is this addled, mixed up and plain stupid thinking that has got our country into the state that it is. It is not just about geography and miles, it is about the safety of our own citizens, it is about a crazy policy which allows convicted murderers from one country to freely enter another and commit murder again. It is nothing whatever to do with the McGreavy's of this world, he should not be allowed into any other country but that is a matter for them in the unlikely event he will be released. We should be concerned with foreign criminals entering our country - our criminals entering another country should not be our concern unless they are still wanted over here.
John you are just trying to muddy the waters to support a non defensible argument and, with respect you are talking rubbish. But then again - if you support this policy, you are a dyed in the wool europhile which goes to show how much control we have lost over affairs which materially affect the well-being of our people and how silly some of our people are to meekly accept and suport this.
It is this addled, mixed up and plain stupid thinking that has got our country into the state that it is. It is not just about geography and miles, it is about the safety of our own citizens, it is about a crazy policy which allows convicted murderers from one country to freely enter another and commit murder again. It is nothing whatever to do with the McGreavy's of this world, he should not be allowed into any other country but that is a matter for them in the unlikely event he will be released. We should be concerned with foreign criminals entering our country - our criminals entering another country should not be our concern unless they are still wanted over here.
John you are just trying to muddy the waters to support a non defensible argument and, with respect you are talking rubbish. But then again - if you support this policy, you are a dyed in the wool europhile which goes to show how much control we have lost over affairs which materially affect the well-being of our people and how silly some of our people are to meekly accept and suport this.
Alan2, Worcester says...
11:54am Thu 20 Mar 08
"Is it not just a case of geography and miles".
It is this addled, mixed up and plain stupid thinking that has got our country into the state that it is. It is not just about geography and miles, it is about the safety of our own citizens, it is about a crazy policy which allows convicted murderers from one country to freely enter another and commit murder again. It is nothing whatever to do with the McGreavy's of this world, he should not be allowed into any other country but that is a matter for them in the unlikely event he will be released. We should be concerned with foreign criminals entering our country - our criminals entering another country should not be our concern unless they are still wanted over here.
John you are just trying to muddy the waters to support a non defensible argument and, with respect you are talking rubbish. But then again - if you support this policy, you are a dyed in the wool europhile which goes to show how much control we have lost over affairs which materially affect the well-being of our people and how silly some of our people are to meekly accept and suport this.
It is this addled, mixed up and plain stupid thinking that has got our country into the state that it is. It is not just about geography and miles, it is about the safety of our own citizens, it is about a crazy policy which allows convicted murderers from one country to freely enter another and commit murder again. It is nothing whatever to do with the McGreavy's of this world, he should not be allowed into any other country but that is a matter for them in the unlikely event he will be released. We should be concerned with foreign criminals entering our country - our criminals entering another country should not be our concern unless they are still wanted over here.
John you are just trying to muddy the waters to support a non defensible argument and, with respect you are talking rubbish. But then again - if you support this policy, you are a dyed in the wool europhile which goes to show how much control we have lost over affairs which materially affect the well-being of our people and how silly some of our people are to meekly accept and suport this.
popeye, daventry says...
12:56pm Thu 20 Mar 08
John,
Perhaps you haven't noticed another paedophile arrived from Australia,today thats 3 in a year.The low life from all over the world is coming here,and it's all due to new labour.The world all because of our worthless "government",now sees us as the place where the tube is put in when the world needs an enema
Perhaps you haven't noticed another paedophile arrived from Australia,today thats 3 in a year.The low life from all over the world is coming here,and it's all due to new labour.The world all because of our worthless "government",now sees us as the place where the tube is put in when the world needs an enema
popeye, daventry says...
12:56pm Thu 20 Mar 08
John,
Perhaps you haven't noticed another paedophile arrived from Australia,today thats 3 in a year.The low life from all over the world is coming here,and it's all due to new labour.The world all because of our worthless "government",now sees us as the place where the tube is put in when the world needs an enema
Perhaps you haven't noticed another paedophile arrived from Australia,today thats 3 in a year.The low life from all over the world is coming here,and it's all due to new labour.The world all because of our worthless "government",now sees us as the place where the tube is put in when the world needs an enema
local resident, worcester says...
10:17am Wed 19 Mar 08