'Disgrace' of police boss's £50k deputy

COMMISSIONER: Bill Longmore

COMMISSIONER: Bill Longmore

First published in Worcester Worcester News: Tom Edwards Exclusive by , Political Reporter

THE region’s new police and crime commissioner wants to appoint a deputy on £50,000 a year – with furious critics calling the move “a disgrace”.

Bill Longmore, who became West Mercia Police’s first elected boss last month, is set to appoint his old campaign publicity manager as his number two.

Mr Longmore, who is on £75,000-a-year, wants Barrie Sheldon, a former policeman and university lecturer, to be his deputy.

The two both worked at Staffordshire Police, with Mr Sheldon, aged 57, reaching the rank of detective inspector before retiring in 2004.

He will be asked to work a 37-hour week in return for a basic £50,000 salary plus expenses and a pension.

Critics have called for the move to be scrapped, saying the cash would be better spent on new police officers.

The starting salary for a police constable is £23,500.

Worcester city councillor Richard Boorn, who has been campaigning for a better police presence in his Nunnery ward, said: “We didn’t agree with having a police and crime commissioner anyway, and all this will do is add another layer of bureaucracy.

“The salaries of Bill Longmore and his deputy could have gone on six coppers. I think it’s disgraceful and I can totally understand people being angry with it.”

A meeting is taking place tomorrow at County Hall where the Police and Crime Panel will be asked to express a view.

The panel, which has 17 members, 15 of whom are councillors, is chaired by Paul Middlebrough, the leader of Wychavon District Council.

Mr Sheldon says he will be at the meeting to answer questions on his role.

Coun Middlebrough said: “We have to hear the reasons behind the appointment, but the decision will be Mr Longmore’s.”

Papers prepared for the meeting state Mr Longmore “has known the candidate both professionally and privately”.

Mr Longmore was unavailable for comment yesterday but his office released a statement last night defending the move.

It says: “The Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act allows a PCC to appoint a deputy police and crime commissioner if they wish to do so.

“Bill Longmore, who stood as an independent candidate as he believed the new role should not be political, has chosen to do this and has selected someone who holds the same beliefs that he does, and with a strong background in policing.”

The turnout for last month’s election was 14 per cent.

After retiring from the police Mr Sheldon, who lives in Telford, lectured at Teeside University.

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10:29am Tue 4 Dec 12

spider666 says...

Here we go ---at a rough guess that's got to be about 2 police officers wages so why not appoint 2 new pc's and why is the job not being advertised instead it is being given to the man who helped him secure a 75k salary (about 3 pc's wages) Give it a few years and i can see the post being withdrawn and going back to the old system.
Here we go ---at a rough guess that's got to be about 2 police officers wages so why not appoint 2 new pc's and why is the job not being advertised instead it is being given to the man who helped him secure a 75k salary (about 3 pc's wages) Give it a few years and i can see the post being withdrawn and going back to the old system. spider666
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10:53am Tue 4 Dec 12

Niko80 says...

This is the candidate who offered himself up as the man for the job. At the first hurdle he has failed, simply because he needs a deputy, who in turn will probably need an assistant and so on..........this was always a farce and will continue to be so, they didn't get the message when the electorate failed (14% turnout) to show at the polling stations, they don't get it now, and they will continue to ignore the people in the future.....
This is the candidate who offered himself up as the man for the job. At the first hurdle he has failed, simply because he needs a deputy, who in turn will probably need an assistant and so on..........this was always a farce and will continue to be so, they didn't get the message when the electorate failed (14% turnout) to show at the polling stations, they don't get it now, and they will continue to ignore the people in the future..... Niko80
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11:12am Tue 4 Dec 12

jb says...

Bill Longmore, who stood as an independent candidate as he believed the new role should not be political, has chosen to do this and has selected someone who holds the same beliefs that he does, and with a strong background in policing.”

So maybe Mr Sheldon with his policing background should have stood for the post instead. What a waste of money and a slap in the face for all the people who voted for Mr Longmore believing he WAS the man for the job.
Bill Longmore, who stood as an independent candidate as he believed the new role should not be political, has chosen to do this and has selected someone who holds the same beliefs that he does, and with a strong background in policing.” So maybe Mr Sheldon with his policing background should have stood for the post instead. What a waste of money and a slap in the face for all the people who voted for Mr Longmore believing he WAS the man for the job. jb
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11:18am Tue 4 Dec 12

Arthur Blenkinsop says...

Is anyone really surprised? Jobs for the boys and all that. There will shortly be 5 overpaid underachievers doing the job that probably only 2 overpaid underachievers were doing until recently!
Is anyone really surprised? Jobs for the boys and all that. There will shortly be 5 overpaid underachievers doing the job that probably only 2 overpaid underachievers were doing until recently! Arthur Blenkinsop
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11:56am Tue 4 Dec 12

JohnCSG says...

This entire scheme is a waste of money from conception to now. Is this being driven by outside parties who have a vested financial interest in seeing it implemented? Here's the government going on and on about austerity, and cutting deficits, who are rabidly cutting back programs for the poor and disenfranchised, yet wasting vast sums of money on this do nothing program that no one seems to care about except them, the lucky few who got appointed and cronies now looking to feed at the public trough? Enough!
This entire scheme is a waste of money from conception to now. Is this being driven by outside parties who have a vested financial interest in seeing it implemented? Here's the government going on and on about austerity, and cutting deficits, who are rabidly cutting back programs for the poor and disenfranchised, yet wasting vast sums of money on this do nothing program that no one seems to care about except them, the lucky few who got appointed and cronies now looking to feed at the public trough? Enough! JohnCSG
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12:19pm Tue 4 Dec 12

Give Up! says...

If this makes you mad, wait until he appoints his Chief Exec with a paygrade of around £100,000 and his Finance Director on a similar Salary to his own. Its all on his PCC website... and they are meant to represent the public. The previous Police Authority was made up mainly of councillors on a councillors salary. Its been driven through by the Tories following the advice of the former rail regulator Tom Winsor, Cameron listened to that review because it suited. The Leveson report doesn't suit.. so we wont have that..!! Cameron could have saved a public fortune and written the reviews himself as if they dont agree with his opinion they wont happen...
If this makes you mad, wait until he appoints his Chief Exec with a paygrade of around £100,000 and his Finance Director on a similar Salary to his own. Its all on his PCC website... and they are meant to represent the public. The previous Police Authority was made up mainly of councillors on a councillors salary. Its been driven through by the Tories following the advice of the former rail regulator Tom Winsor, Cameron listened to that review because it suited. The Leveson report doesn't suit.. so we wont have that..!! Cameron could have saved a public fortune and written the reviews himself as if they dont agree with his opinion they wont happen... Give Up!
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12:49pm Tue 4 Dec 12

worcswolf says...

wooo hooo get on that gravy train.And why dont you get a deputy a deputy too,and a horse and a stetson.
wooo hooo get on that gravy train.And why dont you get a deputy a deputy too,and a horse and a stetson. worcswolf
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1:20pm Tue 4 Dec 12

johncarnie says...

And soon he will need secretarial support (his wife/daughter etc), a driver (son/son-in-law) etc. He is not alone in returning favours by appointing a deputy - other PCC's are doing the same - yet another useless self-serving hypocrite.
And soon he will need secretarial support (his wife/daughter etc), a driver (son/son-in-law) etc. He is not alone in returning favours by appointing a deputy - other PCC's are doing the same - yet another useless self-serving hypocrite. johncarnie
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1:36pm Tue 4 Dec 12

BeeHiveBuzz says...

Since this is public money, I am puzzled as to how Mr Longmore can simply appoint his buddy and former colleague. If he can, then there is something very wrong with the governance of the Office of the Police & Crime Commissioner and his role.

What happened to due process: drawing up a job description, advertising the job, and then following an appropriate selection procedure to appoint the best person?

This does the new commissioner little credit and does not bode well for the future.
Since this is public money, I am puzzled as to how Mr Longmore can simply appoint his buddy and former colleague. If he can, then there is something very wrong with the governance of the Office of the Police & Crime Commissioner and his role. What happened to due process: drawing up a job description, advertising the job, and then following an appropriate selection procedure to appoint the best person? This does the new commissioner little credit and does not bode well for the future. BeeHiveBuzz
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1:52pm Tue 4 Dec 12

reflector says...

This is appalling and croneyism at its worst. There may or may not be a case for him having a deputy but if he has to have one, surely it must be properly advertised and the appointment made on an open and transparent basis. I thought all public appointments had to be made by open competition (if not as in Longmore's case by election).
This is appalling and croneyism at its worst. There may or may not be a case for him having a deputy but if he has to have one, surely it must be properly advertised and the appointment made on an open and transparent basis. I thought all public appointments had to be made by open competition (if not as in Longmore's case by election). reflector
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2:19pm Tue 4 Dec 12

Doogie 46 says...

As a retired DI Mr Sheldon presumably has a rather generous pension, and now on top of salery and expenses, he can look forward to another one when he is no longer Deputy Commissioner.
Are we not supposed to be addressing the "ticking timebomb" of public sector pensions?
As a retired DI Mr Sheldon presumably has a rather generous pension, and now on top of salery and expenses, he can look forward to another one when he is no longer Deputy Commissioner. Are we not supposed to be addressing the "ticking timebomb" of public sector pensions? Doogie 46
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2:23pm Tue 4 Dec 12

Give Up! says...

I dont understand how the Chief Executive who he has appointed, David Brierley can be on between £90,000 and £106,000 p.a. It is more than the salary of the PCC themselves....???
I dont understand how the Chief Executive who he has appointed, David Brierley can be on between £90,000 and £106,000 p.a. It is more than the salary of the PCC themselves....??? Give Up!
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3:16pm Tue 4 Dec 12

Somewhere over there says...

Interesting that suddenly £125k is readily available for made up roles and yet PC's who were contractually entitled to yearly increments as they progress through service have had them stopped. Great if you've reached the threshold not so great if you haven't. But there's no money in the pot....right? Yeah. Whatever. This guy wasn't even "elected" He virtually won it by default. No political allegiance...? Look a bit deeper
Interesting that suddenly £125k is readily available for made up roles and yet PC's who were contractually entitled to yearly increments as they progress through service have had them stopped. Great if you've reached the threshold not so great if you haven't. But there's no money in the pot....right? Yeah. Whatever. This guy wasn't even "elected" He virtually won it by default. No political allegiance...? Look a bit deeper Somewhere over there
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3:28pm Tue 4 Dec 12

mayall8808 says...

Arthur Blenkinsop says...
11:18am Tue 4 Dec 12
Is anyone really surprised? Jobs for the boys and all that. There will shortly be 5 overpaid underachievers doing the job that probably only 2 overpaid underachievers were doing until recently!

Totally agree, why is it that people like this think they can do this? its someone else's money? the taxpayer,
but then we don't matter do we?

He was always going to have a deputy like the rest that stood.
Arthur Blenkinsop says... 11:18am Tue 4 Dec 12 Is anyone really surprised? Jobs for the boys and all that. There will shortly be 5 overpaid underachievers doing the job that probably only 2 overpaid underachievers were doing until recently! Totally agree, why is it that people like this think they can do this? its someone else's money? the taxpayer, but then we don't matter do we? He was always going to have a deputy like the rest that stood. mayall8808
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3:36pm Tue 4 Dec 12

Dickie of Dodderhill says...

This is absolutely appalling. Did this man declare he would appoint a Deputy before he was elected ?

I understand other Commisioners are doing the same.

The election and appointment of Police and Crime Commisioners, is an ill thought out, expensive shambles by a Government who are making policies on the back of a fag packet.

And this is from a Conservative supporter !!
This is absolutely appalling. Did this man declare he would appoint a Deputy before he was elected ? I understand other Commisioners are doing the same. The election and appointment of Police and Crime Commisioners, is an ill thought out, expensive shambles by a Government who are making policies on the back of a fag packet. And this is from a Conservative supporter !! Dickie of Dodderhill
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3:42pm Tue 4 Dec 12

pronstar says...

Hey Bill, can I be FD please?
Hey Bill, can I be FD please? pronstar
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4:42pm Tue 4 Dec 12

Police Chief David Couper says...

You need to ask questions such as these: What is “good policing?” What should you be looking for in a police leader? How is that leader going to be evaluated? Do one or more of the four major obstacles arresting the development of your police department exist? For what they are and how to overcome them follow my blog at http://improvingpoli
ce.wordpress.com/ where other current police improvement issues are discussed. Great policing is accomplished by those who are well-trained and led, restrained in their use of force, honest, and courteous to every person.
You need to ask questions such as these: What is “good policing?” What should you be looking for in a police leader? How is that leader going to be evaluated? Do one or more of the four major obstacles arresting the development of your police department exist? For what they are and how to overcome them follow my blog at http://improvingpoli ce.wordpress.com/ where other current police improvement issues are discussed. Great policing is accomplished by those who are well-trained and led, restrained in their use of force, honest, and courteous to every person. Police Chief David Couper
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4:50pm Tue 4 Dec 12

Niko80 says...

Mr Longmore is apparently reported to have said a number of times that.....

"I have always seen the commissioner’s role as someone elected by the people, to represent the people as a man of the people.I want to get out and represent the people and listen to what they have got to say.”........

I wonder if he'll really listen.....
Mr Longmore is apparently reported to have said a number of times that..... "I have always seen the commissioner’s role as someone elected by the people, to represent the people as a man of the people.I want to get out and represent the people and listen to what they have got to say.”........ I wonder if he'll really listen..... Niko80
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5:18pm Tue 4 Dec 12

chapski75 says...

I read the Candidates' manifestos before voting. Like many people, I didn't much see the need for the position but if there was going to be one then I'll exercise my right to vote, and my right to complain about it now I'm part of that process.

Now, in Bill's manifesto I recall reading that he'd give £20k of his salary to charity, so obviously he's not in it just for the money (or at least he'd like us to believe that's the case), so with that in mind why doesn't he pay the deputy by taking a cut in his salary? £37,500 each would be a decent income for them to top up their pensions with would it not?

In a perfect world the elected PCC would be a position to hold the Police Force accountable. To spend it's budget wisely with the emphasis on front line policing, to cut bureaucracy and red tape, and to deliver a cost effective, quality service. I'd be interested to hear how these newly created positions can be demonstrated to be fulfilling this and not just taking money from the pot and adding to the issues.
I read the Candidates' manifestos before voting. Like many people, I didn't much see the need for the position but if there was going to be one then I'll exercise my right to vote, and my right to complain about it now I'm part of that process. Now, in Bill's manifesto I recall reading that he'd give £20k of his salary to charity, so obviously he's not in it just for the money (or at least he'd like us to believe that's the case), so with that in mind why doesn't he pay the deputy by taking a cut in his salary? £37,500 each would be a decent income for them to top up their pensions with would it not? In a perfect world the elected PCC would be a position to hold the Police Force accountable. To spend it's budget wisely with the emphasis on front line policing, to cut bureaucracy and red tape, and to deliver a cost effective, quality service. I'd be interested to hear how these newly created positions can be demonstrated to be fulfilling this and not just taking money from the pot and adding to the issues. chapski75
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5:19pm Tue 4 Dec 12

outside-edge says...

So this is why Mr Cameron wanted to have elected Police Commissioners, to allow the old boy network to give jobs to their friends?
So much for Democracy and voting for who we wanted, it only works for the top position.
This might have been in the grand plan of things all along but it was poorly explainined and proves how amateurish and poorly thought out the whole process has been.
Mr Longmore was/is an unknown who none of us really know much about or how he'll perform. Now we will be having someone we know even less about on his reccomendation.
No wonder there was such a low tun out at the elections, I predict even less at the next when people realise what a farce this is and what a waste of money at a time when everyone is tightening their belts and cutting back.
Meanwhile HM Government does not flinch at throwing a few extra £million here and there for hope of political gain to fund these projects.
Spend the money on Police Officers and not pointless elections!
So this is why Mr Cameron wanted to have elected Police Commissioners, to allow the old boy network to give jobs to their friends? So much for Democracy and voting for who we wanted, it only works for the top position. This might have been in the grand plan of things all along but it was poorly explainined and proves how amateurish and poorly thought out the whole process has been. Mr Longmore was/is an unknown who none of us really know much about or how he'll perform. Now we will be having someone we know even less about on his reccomendation. No wonder there was such a low tun out at the elections, I predict even less at the next when people realise what a farce this is and what a waste of money at a time when everyone is tightening their belts and cutting back. Meanwhile HM Government does not flinch at throwing a few extra £million here and there for hope of political gain to fund these projects. Spend the money on Police Officers and not pointless elections! outside-edge
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5:21pm Tue 4 Dec 12

Mr A Mazing says...

Has Mr Longmore really been elected by the people?

A 14% turn out is hardly a ringing endorsement. Probably even less people would have voted if they had realised he was going to splash £50,000 on a deputy as soon as he got in.
Has Mr Longmore really been elected by the people? A 14% turn out is hardly a ringing endorsement. Probably even less people would have voted if they had realised he was going to splash £50,000 on a deputy as soon as he got in. Mr A Mazing
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5:53pm Tue 4 Dec 12

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

"Voice of the People" trumpets the PCC website. Well Bill, better listen to the people and forget about appointing your mate (fellow lodge member?) as your deputy.
"Voice of the People" trumpets the PCC website. Well Bill, better listen to the people and forget about appointing your mate (fellow lodge member?) as your deputy. imustbeoldiwearacap
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6:20pm Tue 4 Dec 12

mauro balbino says...

Mr A Mazing wrote:
Has Mr Longmore really been elected by the people?

A 14% turn out is hardly a ringing endorsement. Probably even less people would have voted if they had realised he was going to splash £50,000 on a deputy as soon as he got in.
Yes, I would have not vote on him if I had foresaw it. Probably, I would have not vote at all. Honestly.

I choose him because:

- previous experience
- independent
- part of wages to charity
[quote][p][bold]Mr A Mazing[/bold] wrote: Has Mr Longmore really been elected by the people? A 14% turn out is hardly a ringing endorsement. Probably even less people would have voted if they had realised he was going to splash £50,000 on a deputy as soon as he got in.[/p][/quote]Yes, I would have not vote on him if I had foresaw it. Probably, I would have not vote at all. Honestly. I choose him because: - previous experience - independent - part of wages to charity mauro balbino
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6:49pm Tue 4 Dec 12

WRcomment says...

I'll comment as someone who didn't vote; none of the candidates, (in my opinion) really warranted my vote.

But we do now have an elected commissioner, however with a 14.6% voter turnout being enough to elect Mr Longmore as the commissioner, I'd have to assume a similar number or percentage would be enough to oust him from that position if his actions were deemed in-appropriate.

For those more intelligent than me am I right in assuming from a quick calculation that there were 134,850 vote submissions from a voting community of 923, 630 (assuming we count 1st choice votes only and discount spoiled voting slips) which translates into approximately 5.5% of the eligible community voting for Mr Longmore as a first choice; this leads onto the assumption that 94.5% of the citizens within the West Mercia Police service area have not provided a mandate for the Commissioner's actions.

Am I surprised he wants to appoint a friend as a deputy, sadly not; with more than 9 out of every 10 people he meets not providing a mandate for his position, he really needs every friend he can lay his hands on.
I'll comment as someone who didn't vote; none of the candidates, (in my opinion) really warranted my vote. But we do now have an elected commissioner, however with a 14.6% voter turnout being enough to elect Mr Longmore as the commissioner, I'd have to assume a similar number or percentage would be enough to oust him from that position if his actions were deemed in-appropriate. For those more intelligent than me am I right in assuming from a quick calculation that there were 134,850 vote submissions from a voting community of 923, 630 (assuming we count 1st choice votes only and discount spoiled voting slips) which translates into approximately 5.5% of the eligible community voting for Mr Longmore as a first choice; this leads onto the assumption that 94.5% of the citizens within the West Mercia Police service area have not provided a mandate for the Commissioner's actions. Am I surprised he wants to appoint a friend as a deputy, sadly not; with more than 9 out of every 10 people he meets not providing a mandate for his position, he really needs every friend he can lay his hands on. WRcomment
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6:56pm Tue 4 Dec 12

witty says...

I have to say, at first glance I am really shocked by this story! ...and I am sure I am not alone.

Just to re-iterate for anyone who has missed the last two or three years here....in the private sector we are all struggling to keep our heads above water!

Is this the way this whole thing is meant to be structured? If so, why has it been set up like this? Where does the money come from?

Who will answer questions like these?

I am confused by this and cannot recall seeing any explanatory literature about these elections and certainly nothing about a whole structure being set up underneath the post.
I have to say, at first glance I am really shocked by this story! ...and I am sure I am not alone. Just to re-iterate for anyone who has missed the last two or three years here....in the private sector we are all struggling to keep our heads above water! Is this the way this whole thing is meant to be structured? If so, why has it been set up like this? Where does the money come from? Who will answer questions like these? I am confused by this and cannot recall seeing any explanatory literature about these elections and certainly nothing about a whole structure being set up underneath the post. witty
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7:37pm Tue 4 Dec 12

grumpy woman says...

Waste of taxpayers money. Jobs for the boys at it's worst. If we are to have a deputy surely it should have been an elected deputy.
When will these old ex-police realise we now live in a very different world.
This is costing more than a Police Authority and been put together by default.
Appalling.
Waste of taxpayers money. Jobs for the boys at it's worst. If we are to have a deputy surely it should have been an elected deputy. When will these old ex-police realise we now live in a very different world. This is costing more than a Police Authority and been put together by default. Appalling. grumpy woman
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7:46pm Tue 4 Dec 12

wooshman says...

You can't moan he got elected and if you didn't vote this is what happens.

That said not the best start appointing your mate as deputy, next thing we will hear that our local police stations are all closing.
You can't moan he got elected and if you didn't vote this is what happens. That said not the best start appointing your mate as deputy, next thing we will hear that our local police stations are all closing. wooshman
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9:09pm Tue 4 Dec 12

outside-edge says...

grumpy woman wrote:
Waste of taxpayers money. Jobs for the boys at it's worst. If we are to have a deputy surely it should have been an elected deputy. When will these old ex-police realise we now live in a very different world. This is costing more than a Police Authority and been put together by default. Appalling.
Too true. This sort of Empire building belongs to the era of 'You've never had it so good' and Dixon of Dock Green (apologies to younger contributors for these arcane references).
[quote][p][bold]grumpy woman[/bold] wrote: Waste of taxpayers money. Jobs for the boys at it's worst. If we are to have a deputy surely it should have been an elected deputy. When will these old ex-police realise we now live in a very different world. This is costing more than a Police Authority and been put together by default. Appalling.[/p][/quote]Too true. This sort of Empire building belongs to the era of 'You've never had it so good' and Dixon of Dock Green (apologies to younger contributors for these arcane references). outside-edge
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9:20pm Tue 4 Dec 12

Graham Price says...

The trough has been filled and the queue to gorge at it has been formed.

This is moral corruption and the stench of foetid hypocrisy fills the air.

Perhaps PCC Longmore would care to explain himself in a public meeting.
The trough has been filled and the queue to gorge at it has been formed. This is moral corruption and the stench of foetid hypocrisy fills the air. Perhaps PCC Longmore would care to explain himself in a public meeting. Graham Price
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10:28pm Tue 4 Dec 12

M@lvernite says...

I still don't see why the person doing this job must have a police background - the chief constable already has a police background as does everyone else in the police force.
Perhaps the reason for the low turnout was only people with police backgrounds voted.

Am I allowed to report a crime if I don't have a police background? Probably not if the police are now self-policed by this former policeman - if nobody reports any crimes the level of reported crimes with drop substantially making the police and therefore new PCC Mr Ex-policeman look like they've done a first rate job.
Bonuses all round!
I still don't see why the person doing this job must have a police background - the chief constable already has a police background as does everyone else in the police force. Perhaps the reason for the low turnout was only people with police backgrounds voted. Am I allowed to report a crime if I don't have a police background? Probably not if the police are now self-policed by this former policeman - if nobody reports any crimes the level of reported crimes with drop substantially making the police and therefore new PCC Mr Ex-policeman look like they've done a first rate job. Bonuses all round! M@lvernite
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10:37pm Tue 4 Dec 12

copierman says...

Nepatism of sorts and also the birth of a new Quango within.
Nepatism of sorts and also the birth of a new Quango within. copierman
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7:57am Wed 5 Dec 12

Respectable says...

This is just an extension of what is already going on. Currently serving police officers retiring on a full pension after 30 years service are pretty much the only ones being interviewed and offered civilian staff jobs within the force . A complete and utter monopoly on the service. What about creating jobs and offering opportunities to the masses.. Surely if your on a FULL police pension you should not need to be taking the few jobs that exist. There are people out there trying to get onto the property ladder and support their families and these greedy so and so's are given a complete priority.
This is just an extension of what is already going on. Currently serving police officers retiring on a full pension after 30 years service are pretty much the only ones being interviewed and offered civilian staff jobs within the force . A complete and utter monopoly on the service. What about creating jobs and offering opportunities to the masses.. Surely if your on a FULL police pension you should not need to be taking the few jobs that exist. There are people out there trying to get onto the property ladder and support their families and these greedy so and so's are given a complete priority. Respectable
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8:07am Wed 5 Dec 12

Vertis says...

Sigh....when he said he was going to give some of the money to charity I didnt realise it meant his best friend...argh fool on me.

Bob Marley's mistake...he forgot the deputy
Sigh....when he said he was going to give some of the money to charity I didnt realise it meant his best friend...argh fool on me. Bob Marley's mistake...he forgot the deputy Vertis
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8:55am Wed 5 Dec 12

Give Up! says...

The comments from some readers suggest this is only West Mercia.. it isnt, this is nationwide. The public who did vote obviously thought that the appropriate person to be the pcc needed knoweldge of the police. It was noticeable from the media leading up to the elections that the biggest critics of this system were the police themselves and voiced this on numerous occasions only to be told they were afraid of outside influence. They are probably sitting back now saying "Told you so"..
The comments from some readers suggest this is only West Mercia.. it isnt, this is nationwide. The public who did vote obviously thought that the appropriate person to be the pcc needed knoweldge of the police. It was noticeable from the media leading up to the elections that the biggest critics of this system were the police themselves and voiced this on numerous occasions only to be told they were afraid of outside influence. They are probably sitting back now saying "Told you so".. Give Up!
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9:41am Wed 5 Dec 12

pronstar says...

If I was in Bill's position I would employ several deputies then just walk around saying "Crime? what crime? nothing to see here"
If I was in Bill's position I would employ several deputies then just walk around saying "Crime? what crime? nothing to see here" pronstar
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2:04pm Wed 5 Dec 12

JTC says...

Is there anyway that we mere taxpayers can force a vote of no confidence in him?

I for one have no confidence in someone who appoints their friend into such a high profile position without advertising the job.
Is there anyway that we mere taxpayers can force a vote of no confidence in him? I for one have no confidence in someone who appoints their friend into such a high profile position without advertising the job. JTC
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3:47pm Wed 5 Dec 12

likelylad65 says...

i fully agree with the majority of the comments but my thoughts are with the Chief Constable David Shaw who has achieved his rank by experience and now must come under the control of a Retired Superintendent and a Retired Detective Inspector. If either of these men had applied for the porsition of Chief Constable when it was recently advertised, would they have got it. The answer is a big fat No !!
so how can they now be in a position to tell the Chief Constable, how to run his Police Service.
i fully agree with the majority of the comments but my thoughts are with the Chief Constable David Shaw who has achieved his rank by experience and now must come under the control of a Retired Superintendent and a Retired Detective Inspector. If either of these men had applied for the porsition of Chief Constable when it was recently advertised, would they have got it. The answer is a big fat No !! so how can they now be in a position to tell the Chief Constable, how to run his Police Service. likelylad65
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5:53pm Wed 5 Dec 12

iamthebinman says...

Many WN readers were wanting a man jailed for five yars for a driving offence a few weeks back at the cost of about 250k and now we are up in arms at spending half of that on two full time people dedicated to reducing crime. They only really need to prevent one or two big crimes to have paid there way. Just a thought.
Many WN readers were wanting a man jailed for five yars for a driving offence a few weeks back at the cost of about 250k and now we are up in arms at spending half of that on two full time people dedicated to reducing crime. They only really need to prevent one or two big crimes to have paid there way. Just a thought. iamthebinman
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7:21pm Wed 5 Dec 12

reflector says...

iamthebinman wrote:
Many WN readers were wanting a man jailed for five yars for a driving offence a few weeks back at the cost of about 250k and now we are up in arms at spending half of that on two full time people dedicated to reducing crime. They only really need to prevent one or two big crimes to have paid there way. Just a thought.
I'd be interested to know exactly how ex Supt. Plod and his best mate, ex Det Insp Plod, (the Staffordshire 'super' sleuths of the last century) will do that.

I wish I shared your faith in a system which, in any case, is deeply flawed but has no chance unless people of the highest calibre are in charge. This is turning out to be even worse than many of us feared.
[quote][p][bold]iamthebinman[/bold] wrote: Many WN readers were wanting a man jailed for five yars for a driving offence a few weeks back at the cost of about 250k and now we are up in arms at spending half of that on two full time people dedicated to reducing crime. They only really need to prevent one or two big crimes to have paid there way. Just a thought.[/p][/quote]I'd be interested to know exactly how ex Supt. Plod and his best mate, ex Det Insp Plod, (the Staffordshire 'super' sleuths of the last century) will do that. I wish I shared your faith in a system which, in any case, is deeply flawed but has no chance unless people of the highest calibre are in charge. This is turning out to be even worse than many of us feared. reflector
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12:23am Thu 6 Dec 12

marklewisbcfc says...

well it's nice to know our already very expensive council tax is being put to good use on pointless bureaucrats that nobody wanted or wants!
well it's nice to know our already very expensive council tax is being put to good use on pointless bureaucrats that nobody wanted or wants! marklewisbcfc
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9:27am Thu 6 Dec 12

GerardL says...

What's not been realised is that the PCC took over the original Police Authority staff These people, based in Shrewsbury , come along with a £1.8 million budget of their own. The Chief Exec and Chief Financial Officer are West Mercia Police staff who are required to work with him.

In his response to me in the online forum before election day, he stated "I intend to reduce these costs if possible and find some extra money for front-line policing. I will bring considerable experience to the office and I will also be supported by a team that I consider is necessary, and who will have responsibilities for communication, victims, partnerships etc."

So is adding another ~£75K (salary, expenses and pension plus eastablishment costs) actually reducing costs?
What's not been realised is that the PCC took over the original Police Authority staff These people, based in Shrewsbury , come along with a £1.8 million budget of their own. The Chief Exec and Chief Financial Officer are West Mercia Police staff who are required to work with him. In his response to me in the online forum before election day, he stated "I intend to reduce these costs if possible and find some extra money for front-line policing. I will bring considerable experience to the office and I will also be supported by a team that I consider is necessary, and who will have responsibilities for communication, victims, partnerships etc." So is adding another ~£75K (salary, expenses and pension plus eastablishment costs) actually reducing costs? GerardL
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10:20am Thu 6 Dec 12

raggedrobin says...

It's very simple, really. Any person paid from the public purse should either be elected (and preferably with a decent democratic mandate), or go through a formal impartial competitive selection process.

As a formal senior local government officer, I would quite rightly have been sacked if I'd just appointed my mates to lucrative posts!
It's very simple, really. Any person paid from the public purse should either be elected (and preferably with a decent democratic mandate), or go through a formal impartial competitive selection process. As a formal senior local government officer, I would quite rightly have been sacked if I'd just appointed my mates to lucrative posts! raggedrobin
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2:15pm Sat 8 Dec 12

thecigarman says...

Andy dodsy graham is the man for the job.
Andy dodsy graham is the man for the job. thecigarman
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