New PCC, Bill Longmore, mauled by councillors

UNDER FIRE: Police and crime commissioner Bill Longmore

UNDER FIRE: Police and crime commissioner Bill Longmore

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THE new police and crime commissioner has been accused of “backroom dealing” and “cronyism” over plans to appoint his “buddy” as his deputy.

Bill Longmore, elected boss of West Mercia Police, and proposed deputy Barrie Sheldon were grilled by outraged councillors during the first meeting of the West Mercia police and crime panel at County Hall in Worcester yesterday.

If appointed, former detective inspector Mr Sheldon, the commssioner’s campaign manager, would get £50,000 a year with pension and expenses.

The position would be funded by the taxpayer, like the commissioner’s own £75,000 job.

The panel refused to back the appointment of the 57-year-old but have no power to veto the commissioner’s decision, leading Councillor Sebastian Bowen to describe the panel as “a bulldog with rubber teeth”.

Coun Adrian Hardman, leader of Worcestershire County Council, led the assault at a tense and awkward meeting, asking Mr Longmore why plans to appoint a deputy were not mentioned in his campaign literature.

Coun Hardman said he could see why the word 'cronyism' had been used and he wasn't surprised there was hostility. He argued that Mr Sheldon was a 'mirror image' of his boss as both had served as police officers.

Coun John Campion said if a local council or the NHS had acted in the same way, there would be uproar. He said: “There will be accusations of cronyism. Why are you choosing to give £50,000 a year of public money to an individual without a competitive process?

"Your first major decision is a backroom deal that can be seen as you putting one of your buddies in a highly paid job.”

Concerns were expressed that the deputy would duplicate the role of commissioner, not complement it, creating three chief constables.

Mr Longmore took offence at Mr Sheldon, who is also a former police officer, being described as one of his buddies.

He said: “I don’t like the word crony being used. To me, it’s all about getting the right person for the job.

"I don't think he's a mirror image of me. I think my wife would disagree.

“There has never been anyone like me in the way I think and act. The similarity is that we both have the passion and commitment and want to go and do a good job.”

The chairman of the committee, Coun Paul Middlebrough, said Mr Longmore’s plans were a matter of “grave public concern”.

He said the proposed deputy must have thought all his “Christmases had come at once” when asked to take the job.

Mr Sheldon said he met the police and crime commissioner and the chief executive of the police authority to discuss the role.

Mr Sheldon said he had limited experience of dealing with public finances and had never managed a big business but was involved in managing organisational changes in West Mercia Police.

He also revealed he had not yet decided whether to take his pension and redundancy pay, which would push up his salary to £70,000.

Although contracted to work 37 hours a week, he said it would be more like 60 hours, and claimed if there had been a selection process he would have been the best person for the job.

Written notice will be given to the commissioner of the panel’s recommendation and he is expected to reach a decision soon on whether to follow their advice.

After the meeting the commissioner declined to comment about his reaction to the panel’s recommendation.

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9:30am Thu 6 Dec 12

Hack says...

This has to be one of the most telling statements in this debacle:

There has never been anyone like me in the way I think and act.

The term arrogant seems hardly sufficient.
This has to be one of the most telling statements in this debacle: There has never been anyone like me in the way I think and act. The term arrogant seems hardly sufficient. Hack
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9:49am Thu 6 Dec 12

wooshman says...

Lesson to all those who choose not to vote - this is what happens
Lesson to all those who choose not to vote - this is what happens wooshman
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9:56am Thu 6 Dec 12

anarchist says...

In my view, Bill Longmore's intention to appoint another ex Police Officer as his deputy without a fair, transparent and open competition for the position is a serious error of judgement on his part and one that shows that he has a lot to learn about public office and public administration.

But to be fair to him, I was at the meeting and my recollection of the quote above is that it should really read: "My wife often says that there has never been anyone like me in the way I think and act".

I am not sure that this helps all that much but it is, perhaps, a little less arrogant than it might otherwise seem.
In my view, Bill Longmore's intention to appoint another ex Police Officer as his deputy without a fair, transparent and open competition for the position is a serious error of judgement on his part and one that shows that he has a lot to learn about public office and public administration. But to be fair to him, I was at the meeting and my recollection of the quote above is that it should really read: "My wife often says that there has never been anyone like me in the way I think and act". I am not sure that this helps all that much but it is, perhaps, a little less arrogant than it might otherwise seem. anarchist
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10:11am Thu 6 Dec 12

Niko80 says...

Hack wrote:
This has to be one of the most telling statements in this debacle:

There has never been anyone like me in the way I think and act.

The term arrogant seems hardly sufficient.
Totally agree Hack, Mr Longmore clearly considers himself as one of the untouchables, he even declines to make comment, I think this just indicates how this Country is being led and driven. We are already victim to large salaried consultants giving poor advice and recommendations, a host of under qualified individuals being given charge of large budgets and organisations with little or no experience in public finance etc.

If I were the Chief Constable I would certainly be thinking about early retirement based on the grounds that I was going to be told how to do my job by former sub-ordinate officers.

I little like the tail wagging the dog
[quote][p][bold]Hack[/bold] wrote: This has to be one of the most telling statements in this debacle: There has never been anyone like me in the way I think and act. The term arrogant seems hardly sufficient.[/p][/quote]Totally agree Hack, Mr Longmore clearly considers himself as one of the untouchables, he even declines to make comment, I think this just indicates how this Country is being led and driven. We are already victim to large salaried consultants giving poor advice and recommendations, a host of under qualified individuals being given charge of large budgets and organisations with little or no experience in public finance etc. If I were the Chief Constable I would certainly be thinking about early retirement based on the grounds that I was going to be told how to do my job by former sub-ordinate officers. I little like the tail wagging the dog Niko80
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10:14am Thu 6 Dec 12

brooksider says...

Ha Ha Ha!

When it comes to Cronyism, politicians should know, they have got it down to a fine art.

I wonder who Adrian Hardman would have chosen if his wish to be PCC had come true?
Ha Ha Ha! When it comes to Cronyism, politicians should know, they have got it down to a fine art. I wonder who Adrian Hardman would have chosen if his wish to be PCC had come true? brooksider
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10:45am Thu 6 Dec 12

Maggie Would says...

Hack wrote:
This has to be one of the most telling statements in this debacle:

There has never been anyone like me in the way I think and act.

The term arrogant seems hardly sufficient.
I picked up that one too.
I remembered the other day where I had seen him before: he was Midlands Today's 'unsung hero' for 2011, the main criterion for entry being that the person has given his time voluntarily to the community.
Hmmm.
[quote][p][bold]Hack[/bold] wrote: This has to be one of the most telling statements in this debacle: There has never been anyone like me in the way I think and act. The term arrogant seems hardly sufficient.[/p][/quote]I picked up that one too. I remembered the other day where I had seen him before: he was Midlands Today's 'unsung hero' for 2011, the main criterion for entry being that the person has given his time voluntarily to the community. Hmmm. Maggie Would
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10:47am Thu 6 Dec 12

induby says...

wooshman wrote:
Lesson to all those who choose not to vote - this is what happens
Wooshman,
I didn't vote because I thought the whole idea was ludicrous , paying someone with no police experience more than £100,000 to be a police commissioner is in my opinion.. insane!, in fact I would go further in saying that no body should of voted,that way we wouldn't be in this position now where you have an arrogant,self inflated prat,who does not know what he is doing,yet earning a fortune and giving all his "mates" overpaid jobs too!
[quote][p][bold]wooshman[/bold] wrote: Lesson to all those who choose not to vote - this is what happens[/p][/quote]Wooshman, I didn't vote because I thought the whole idea was ludicrous , paying someone with no police experience more than £100,000 to be a police commissioner is in my opinion.. insane!, in fact I would go further in saying that no body should of voted,that way we wouldn't be in this position now where you have an arrogant,self inflated prat,who does not know what he is doing,yet earning a fortune and giving all his "mates" overpaid jobs too! induby
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10:51am Thu 6 Dec 12

pronstar says...

wooshman wrote:
Lesson to all those who choose not to vote - this is what happens
If there was 100% turnout, Bill Longmore would probably still have won.

The real problem was a lack of candidates, in particular really independent candidates not affiliated with political parties & not former police themselves.
[quote][p][bold]wooshman[/bold] wrote: Lesson to all those who choose not to vote - this is what happens[/p][/quote]If there was 100% turnout, Bill Longmore would probably still have won. The real problem was a lack of candidates, in particular really independent candidates not affiliated with political parties & not former police themselves. pronstar
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11:12am Thu 6 Dec 12

reflector says...

For the first time in my life, I didn't vote as, quite simply, I didn't feel there was a candidate worthy of my vote.

As I have commented before I might have voted for Longmore had he not pledged to give up a third of his salary which to me was just a blatant attempt to curry favour with the electorate. What has happened since has confirmed that I was right and also that Mr Longmore is totally unsuited to the post.

The whole system of giving one person so much power is seriously flawed and made far worse if the calibre of the person 'elected' seems to be seriously in doubt, if his first major decision is anything to go by.
For the first time in my life, I didn't vote as, quite simply, I didn't feel there was a candidate worthy of my vote. As I have commented before I might have voted for Longmore had he not pledged to give up a third of his salary which to me was just a blatant attempt to curry favour with the electorate. What has happened since has confirmed that I was right and also that Mr Longmore is totally unsuited to the post. The whole system of giving one person so much power is seriously flawed and made far worse if the calibre of the person 'elected' seems to be seriously in doubt, if his first major decision is anything to go by. reflector
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11:18am Thu 6 Dec 12

Give Up! says...

This is not just West Mercia, he has done as the system has been designed. He has also got to appoint about 6 or 7 other staff members of his team including finance director etc etc. Its the whole idea thats wrong and this was pointed out at the time by the police in the national media but were told they were afraid of outside influence... what he has done is no different to central governement. We didnt vote for George Osborne... Mr Cameron chose him.
This is not just West Mercia, he has done as the system has been designed. He has also got to appoint about 6 or 7 other staff members of his team including finance director etc etc. Its the whole idea thats wrong and this was pointed out at the time by the police in the national media but were told they were afraid of outside influence... what he has done is no different to central governement. We didnt vote for George Osborne... Mr Cameron chose him. Give Up!
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11:39am Thu 6 Dec 12

outside-edge says...

pronstar wrote:
wooshman wrote: Lesson to all those who choose not to vote - this is what happens
If there was 100% turnout, Bill Longmore would probably still have won. The real problem was a lack of candidates, in particular really independent candidates not affiliated with political parties & not former police themselves.
'Mr Sheldon said he had limited experience of dealing with public finances and had never managed a big business but was involved in managing organisational changes in West Mercia Police'

I would have thought good experience of Public Finances to be a neccessity and independence from the Police essential.
From the above statement it would appear not to be the case.
[quote][p][bold]pronstar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wooshman[/bold] wrote: Lesson to all those who choose not to vote - this is what happens[/p][/quote]If there was 100% turnout, Bill Longmore would probably still have won. The real problem was a lack of candidates, in particular really independent candidates not affiliated with political parties & not former police themselves.[/p][/quote]'Mr Sheldon said he had limited experience of dealing with public finances and had never managed a big business but was involved in managing organisational changes in West Mercia Police' I would have thought good experience of Public Finances to be a neccessity and independence from the Police essential. From the above statement it would appear not to be the case. outside-edge
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11:55am Thu 6 Dec 12

sugarlump says...

absolutely disgusting!!
absolutely disgusting!! sugarlump
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12:02pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Eve of Destruction says...

Reminds me of when our much beloved Chief Exec, Trish Haines appointed Clare Mitchell as her assistant chief exec on £75,800 per year. Set a fine example that did, so no surprise the gravy train keeps on rolling along.

Still we can vote out Bill, eventually... But not these other public purse abusers.
Reminds me of when our much beloved Chief Exec, Trish Haines appointed Clare Mitchell as her assistant chief exec on £75,800 per year. Set a fine example that did, so no surprise the gravy train keeps on rolling along. Still we can vote out Bill, eventually... But not these other public purse abusers. Eve of Destruction
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12:24pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Steve-James says...

Interesting choice of term..."cronyism". It could only come from a demo graph like the Councillors as its a term I'm sure they can relate to.

Regarding Bill, I hope he's new to operating in the public arena because his reaction "...no one thinks or acts like me..." strikes of naivety in a role where I expected mature and learned communication to be prerequisite.

Bill can of course reinstall confidence quickly, and maybe even improve his standing with both the Crime Panel and Electorate at large by recognising the challenge, showing democracy is in play, and opening the role to any qualified applicants for a fair and level 3rd party recruitment process.

As one of the few who voted (for you Bill) my suggestion is your reaction to this may shape your tenure for longer than you might think.
Interesting choice of term..."cronyism". It could only come from a demo graph like the Councillors as its a term I'm sure they can relate to. Regarding Bill, I hope he's new to operating in the public arena because his reaction "...no one thinks or acts like me..." strikes of naivety in a role where I expected mature and learned communication to be prerequisite. Bill can of course reinstall confidence quickly, and maybe even improve his standing with both the Crime Panel and Electorate at large by recognising the challenge, showing democracy is in play, and opening the role to any qualified applicants for a fair and level 3rd party recruitment process. As one of the few who voted (for you Bill) my suggestion is your reaction to this may shape your tenure for longer than you might think. Steve-James
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12:46pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Give Up! says...

There is a seperate issue here and that is the role of the Deputy. I assume that the Deputy will take charge should the incumbent fall ill or be away on holiday and unable to discharge his duties. So whether the deputy is selected from applicants or directly appointed it matters not. If his ideals are not the same as the PCC then there is the risk of an unelected offcial taking control of the strategic direction of a police force and having the ability to make decisions in line with their own agenda as opposed to the agenda of the person democratically elected. In politics the Deputy is appointed to ensure it is a person who can be trusted to maintain the party line, the PCC is supposedly non political and as such there is no party line to tow... what a mess!!
There is a seperate issue here and that is the role of the Deputy. I assume that the Deputy will take charge should the incumbent fall ill or be away on holiday and unable to discharge his duties. So whether the deputy is selected from applicants or directly appointed it matters not. If his ideals are not the same as the PCC then there is the risk of an unelected offcial taking control of the strategic direction of a police force and having the ability to make decisions in line with their own agenda as opposed to the agenda of the person democratically elected. In politics the Deputy is appointed to ensure it is a person who can be trusted to maintain the party line, the PCC is supposedly non political and as such there is no party line to tow... what a mess!! Give Up!
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1:04pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Steve-James says...

Bill Longmore and Oswald Copperpot?

Maybe only Batman can save us!
Bill Longmore and Oswald Copperpot? Maybe only Batman can save us! Steve-James
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1:08pm Thu 6 Dec 12

murray kelso says...

Please note that a couple of new lines have been added to the article above, which may or may not change the context in which you read a section.

They are:

"Coun Hardman said he could see why the word 'cronyism' had been used and he wasn't surprised there was hostility. He argued that Mr Sheldon was a 'mirror image' of his boss as both had served as police officers."

And:

"I don't think he's a mirror image of me. I think my wife would disagree.
“There has never been anyone like me in the way I think and act. The similarity is that we both have the passion and commitment and want to go and do a good job."

MK - Digital Editor
Please note that a couple of new lines have been added to the article above, which may or may not change the context in which you read a section. They are: "Coun Hardman said he could see why the word 'cronyism' had been used and he wasn't surprised there was hostility. He argued that Mr Sheldon was a 'mirror image' of his boss as both had served as police officers." And: [Mr Longmore said] "I don't think he's a mirror image of me. I think my wife would disagree. “There has never been anyone like me in the way I think and act. The similarity is that we both have the passion and commitment and want to go and do a good job." MK - Digital Editor murray kelso
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1:13pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Name unknown says...

"After the meeting the commissioner declined to comment about his reaction to the panel’s recommendation."

...He's gone 'no comment'? Ironic...
"After the meeting the commissioner declined to comment about his reaction to the panel’s recommendation." ...He's gone 'no comment'? Ironic... Name unknown
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1:20pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Landy44 says...

How can this be allowed in a democratic society (oh wait - we don't live in a democratic society it seems).

Now we have someone that very few people voted into a position that even fewer wanted, appointing more public funded employees without any oversight, scrutiny, control or due process.

This beggars belief! Are we in Egypt, Syria or the UK?
How can this be allowed in a democratic society (oh wait - we don't live in a democratic society it seems). Now we have someone that very few people voted into a position that even fewer wanted, appointing more public funded employees without any oversight, scrutiny, control or due process. This beggars belief! Are we in Egypt, Syria or the UK? Landy44
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1:27pm Thu 6 Dec 12

caer caradoc says...

When the PCCs were appointed to office, they were required to swear an oath which incorporated the Nolan Principles. Readers will doubtlessly recall that the Nolan principles were instigated following the sleaze of the 1990s and a subsequent inquiry into standards of public life.

By undertaking this action, Bill Longmore has fallen far short of those principles and cannot be regarded as meeting the expectations of high standards in public office.
When the PCCs were appointed to office, they were required to swear an oath which incorporated the Nolan Principles. Readers will doubtlessly recall that the Nolan principles were instigated following the sleaze of the 1990s and a subsequent inquiry into standards of public life. By undertaking this action, Bill Longmore has fallen far short of those principles and cannot be regarded as meeting the expectations of high standards in public office. caer caradoc
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1:42pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Stephen Brown says...

It is outrageous but why would anyone think this would not happen? A demonstration that the whole concept and process from day 1 is and was a bad idea and deeply political, especially now that we have total autocrat in charge of the Police it seems.

And the Tory councillors pointing the finger citing cronysim is simply laughable and hypocritical. Wasn't it the same Tory group on WCC that got permision off their tame county solicitor to allow them to store their own political and electioneering leaflets in the underground car park at County Hall?

I have news for these county councillors, they actually do act in a similarly autocrat manner on a range of issues important to local communities, so it's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. But then their man wasn't elected....and if he was, would it really be any different?...And I'd say the same if any of the candidates were elected.

Personally, I look forward to a repeal of this Act after the next election and the proper use of public money for which it was intended in this context.....putting police on the streets, not lining the pockets of those after a nice little earner.
It is outrageous but why would anyone think this would not happen? A demonstration that the whole concept and process from day 1 is and was a bad idea and deeply political, especially now that we have total autocrat in charge of the Police it seems. And the Tory councillors pointing the finger citing cronysim is simply laughable and hypocritical. Wasn't it the same Tory group on WCC that got permision off their tame county solicitor to allow them to store their own political and electioneering leaflets in the underground car park at County Hall? I have news for these county councillors, they actually do act in a similarly autocrat manner on a range of issues important to local communities, so it's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. But then their man wasn't elected....and if he was, would it really be any different?...And I'd say the same if any of the candidates were elected. Personally, I look forward to a repeal of this Act after the next election and the proper use of public money for which it was intended in this context.....putting police on the streets, not lining the pockets of those after a nice little earner. Stephen Brown
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2:01pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Niko80 says...

murray kelso wrote:
Please note that a couple of new lines have been added to the article above, which may or may not change the context in which you read a section.

They are:

"Coun Hardman said he could see why the word 'cronyism' had been used and he wasn't surprised there was hostility. He argued that Mr Sheldon was a 'mirror image' of his boss as both had served as police officers."

And:

"I don't think he's a mirror image of me. I think my wife would disagree.
“There has never been anyone like me in the way I think and act. The similarity is that we both have the passion and commitment and want to go and do a good job."

MK - Digital Editor
Surely MK, if you feel the need to add these lines to help with context, those lines should have been in the first edition of the story, thus clarifying any points and leaving less to be misread.
However, it still remains that the PCC position here and in the other 40 odd authorities, including that of deputy PCC's and all the consequential costs, seems to be something that the majority of the electorate and indeed many in the Police Service niether wanted, wants or indeed needs.
It may be that many of the electorate stayed away from the polling booths through ignorance of the candidates, (the Candidates failure to be more public) ignorance of the Position (the Governments failure to inform) or plain and simple they disagree with the appointment of PCC's and opted to withhold there right to vote....
I know what I did..
[quote][p][bold]murray kelso[/bold] wrote: Please note that a couple of new lines have been added to the article above, which may or may not change the context in which you read a section. They are: "Coun Hardman said he could see why the word 'cronyism' had been used and he wasn't surprised there was hostility. He argued that Mr Sheldon was a 'mirror image' of his boss as both had served as police officers." And: [Mr Longmore said] "I don't think he's a mirror image of me. I think my wife would disagree. “There has never been anyone like me in the way I think and act. The similarity is that we both have the passion and commitment and want to go and do a good job." MK - Digital Editor[/p][/quote]Surely MK, if you feel the need to add these lines to help with context, those lines should have been in the first edition of the story, thus clarifying any points and leaving less to be misread. However, it still remains that the PCC position here and in the other 40 odd authorities, including that of deputy PCC's and all the consequential costs, seems to be something that the majority of the electorate and indeed many in the Police Service niether wanted, wants or indeed needs. It may be that many of the electorate stayed away from the polling booths through ignorance of the candidates, (the Candidates failure to be more public) ignorance of the Position (the Governments failure to inform) or plain and simple they disagree with the appointment of PCC's and opted to withhold there right to vote.... I know what I did.. Niko80
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2:52pm Thu 6 Dec 12

broadwas says...

Why wasn't there a "None of the above" box on the ballot paper? There was no way of registering non acceptance of the whole process, so those who dreamt it up coud claim apathy on the part of those who did not vote. It all stinks as does the cronyism.
Why wasn't there a "None of the above" box on the ballot paper? There was no way of registering non acceptance of the whole process, so those who dreamt it up coud claim apathy on the part of those who did not vote. It all stinks as does the cronyism. broadwas
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2:55pm Thu 6 Dec 12

DAVID1875 says...

What is even more farcical is that PCC longmore has a team of 12 staff (plus admin staff) including finance directors, policy managers and a chief executive being paid between £90,000 to £106,000! This is David Brierley, who was also the chief exec.of the disbanded police authority!
What is even more farcical is that PCC longmore has a team of 12 staff (plus admin staff) including finance directors, policy managers and a chief executive being paid between £90,000 to £106,000! This is David Brierley, who was also the chief exec.of the disbanded police authority! DAVID1875
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4:26pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Hack says...

Are the eight per cent of those on the WN poll who say it is not cronyism, the families and relatives of Longmore and Sheldon?
Are the eight per cent of those on the WN poll who say it is not cronyism, the families and relatives of Longmore and Sheldon? Hack
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4:38pm Thu 6 Dec 12

catsndogs says...

What a mess and good old Bill has agreed in the alliance restructure between West Mercia Police and Warwickshire that will see the loss of 650 police staff posts by 2016. I think the PCC's are mere puppets of the government with their role being created in order to take the heat away from ministers with all these loomimg cuts on the horizon. It appears that their way to balance the economy is to slash public employment however have they really though who actually puts money into their coffers
What a mess and good old Bill has agreed in the alliance restructure between West Mercia Police and Warwickshire that will see the loss of 650 police staff posts by 2016. I think the PCC's are mere puppets of the government with their role being created in order to take the heat away from ministers with all these loomimg cuts on the horizon. It appears that their way to balance the economy is to slash public employment however have they really though who actually puts money into their coffers catsndogs
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4:44pm Thu 6 Dec 12

nantgarw says...

The PCC post is an excellent attempt to give residents some real leverage in long established battles with West Mercia Police hierarchy. There are many Hagley residents, for example, who are totally disgusted with the lack of a functioning local force.The village now has to share a sergeant and its only constable with Rubery and all senior officers, plus the Chief Constable are deaf to the protests. The PCC will hopefully restore the idea of a local force acting on the justifiable demands of the residents. My warning at the time of the Election was that we should not elect a former police officer to this position. I think people are beginning to see that my arguments were persuasive.Only time will tell if Mr Longmore is the poodle of his ex colleagues or if he is genuinely independent and the Residents' champion.
The PCC post is an excellent attempt to give residents some real leverage in long established battles with West Mercia Police hierarchy. There are many Hagley residents, for example, who are totally disgusted with the lack of a functioning local force.The village now has to share a sergeant and its only constable with Rubery and all senior officers, plus the Chief Constable are deaf to the protests. The PCC will hopefully restore the idea of a local force acting on the justifiable demands of the residents. My warning at the time of the Election was that we should not elect a former police officer to this position. I think people are beginning to see that my arguments were persuasive.Only time will tell if Mr Longmore is the poodle of his ex colleagues or if he is genuinely independent and the Residents' champion. nantgarw
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5:00pm Thu 6 Dec 12

catsndogs says...

woof woof
woof woof catsndogs
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6:14pm Thu 6 Dec 12

AH1000 says...

My experience of employment and employing people is that the interview process and comparing that outcome and views of the Panel that helped you in the interview is vital in choosing the right candidate in what is now a minefield and requires those in the Panel to have had prior experience in the process.If non existed that processof recruitment is flawed and unfair and probably contravenes basic employment Law.This would be the case from employment of a Cleaner to that of Chief Executive this has by Law to be combined with an Advertising process with Internal requests for potential candidates within the existing Organisation.Questio
ns of experience are of course paramount to any choice with 6 months as a typical trial period and regular reviews.If the Government had not screened those candidates accross the UK and outlined what was specifically required from them and who they were reporting to then no wonder any chancer irrespective of age,existing pension arrangements, ability or communicative abilities will have a go.They have everything to gain and nothing to lose,the shining cherry is too hard to resist.This could also be said each time we go to the Polls to elect anybody either in this Country or in Europe,it is always those who know how to work the system that come out on top.
My experience of employment and employing people is that the interview process and comparing that outcome and views of the Panel that helped you in the interview is vital in choosing the right candidate in what is now a minefield and requires those in the Panel to have had prior experience in the process.If non existed that processof recruitment is flawed and unfair and probably contravenes basic employment Law.This would be the case from employment of a Cleaner to that of Chief Executive this has by Law to be combined with an Advertising process with Internal requests for potential candidates within the existing Organisation.Questio ns of experience are of course paramount to any choice with 6 months as a typical trial period and regular reviews.If the Government had not screened those candidates accross the UK and outlined what was specifically required from them and who they were reporting to then no wonder any chancer irrespective of age,existing pension arrangements, ability or communicative abilities will have a go.They have everything to gain and nothing to lose,the shining cherry is too hard to resist.This could also be said each time we go to the Polls to elect anybody either in this Country or in Europe,it is always those who know how to work the system that come out on top. AH1000
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6:28pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Hack says...

The issue for Longmore is you don't get a second chance to make a first impression. Comments here and the WN Comment column suggest his personal credibility is seriously tarnished. Like many I have concerns about an ex-cop managing other cops and a top cop. We can all slag off the police; they have been and continue to be, in some though not all instances, very far from perfect. Can independent Commissioners make a difference to each of us and our community. The jury is out and when they return it may be a 'hung' result.
The issue for Longmore is you don't get a second chance to make a first impression. Comments here and the WN Comment column suggest his personal credibility is seriously tarnished. Like many I have concerns about an ex-cop managing other cops and a top cop. We can all slag off the police; they have been and continue to be, in some though not all instances, very far from perfect. Can independent Commissioners make a difference to each of us and our community. The jury is out and when they return it may be a 'hung' result. Hack
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6:57pm Thu 6 Dec 12

longpete says...

Well. Who would have guessed? Cronyism by elected PCCs. Of course no one ever predicted that, did they? Comes completely out of the blue.
Well. Who would have guessed? Cronyism by elected PCCs. Of course no one ever predicted that, did they? Comes completely out of the blue. longpete
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7:17pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Give Up! says...

Nantgarw.... Do not hold out hope for hagley. What will happen with these cuts is estate will be cut leaving no police stations in many areas. The police will then all work from major hubs and drive out to the smaller towns and villages.. Exactly the same model as previous council practices. So never mind hagley, wait until Malvern, Oswestry and similar size areas no longer have a police station.
Nantgarw.... Do not hold out hope for hagley. What will happen with these cuts is estate will be cut leaving no police stations in many areas. The police will then all work from major hubs and drive out to the smaller towns and villages.. Exactly the same model as previous council practices. So never mind hagley, wait until Malvern, Oswestry and similar size areas no longer have a police station. Give Up!
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7:31pm Thu 6 Dec 12

RichE76 says...

May 2016 can't come soon enough....
May 2016 can't come soon enough.... RichE76
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7:47pm Thu 6 Dec 12

mauro balbino says...

Hack wrote:
This has to be one of the most telling statements in this debacle:

There has never been anyone like me in the way I think and act.

The term arrogant seems hardly sufficient.
... and Barrie Sheldon "claimed if there had been a selection process he would have been the best person for the job".

It gets worse by the hour...
[quote][p][bold]Hack[/bold] wrote: This has to be one of the most telling statements in this debacle: There has never been anyone like me in the way I think and act. The term arrogant seems hardly sufficient.[/p][/quote]... and Barrie Sheldon "claimed if there had been a selection process he would have been the best person for the job". It gets worse by the hour... mauro balbino
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8:03pm Thu 6 Dec 12

spencerman says...

So one gentleman on £75k and his "mate" on £50k hhmm lets just get rid and use the money to pay for some more bobbies. Simples
So one gentleman on £75k and his "mate" on £50k hhmm lets just get rid and use the money to pay for some more bobbies. Simples spencerman
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8:07pm Thu 6 Dec 12

bif-boy says...

I and probably alot of people throughout country are confused as to what these PCC people are actually going to do,what radical changes are they going to achieve fed up with listening to bull.... statements and if this bloke was worth the money why need a deputy! spose most of the meetings will be on the golf course!
I and probably alot of people throughout country are confused as to what these PCC people are actually going to do,what radical changes are they going to achieve fed up with listening to bull.... statements and if this bloke was worth the money why need a deputy! spose most of the meetings will be on the golf course! bif-boy
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8:13pm Thu 6 Dec 12

copierman says...

Oh dear I do not like the way all this is going. Perhaps we should impeach the bloke and start again and publish the ground rules as to who decides what and how many staff they can appoint etc.
Oh dear I do not like the way all this is going. Perhaps we should impeach the bloke and start again and publish the ground rules as to who decides what and how many staff they can appoint etc. copierman
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8:13pm Thu 6 Dec 12

copierman says...

Oh dear I do not like the way all this is going. Perhaps we should impeach the bloke and start again and publish the ground rules as to who decides what and how many staff they can appoint etc.
Oh dear I do not like the way all this is going. Perhaps we should impeach the bloke and start again and publish the ground rules as to who decides what and how many staff they can appoint etc. copierman
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8:35pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Doogie 46 says...

Difficult to remember anyone who has made their position virtually untenable so quickly.
Recent WN articles and the online comments have shot his credibility to bits - where does he go from here I wonder. (is he even on the payroll yet?)
Difficult to remember anyone who has made their position virtually untenable so quickly. Recent WN articles and the online comments have shot his credibility to bits - where does he go from here I wonder. (is he even on the payroll yet?) Doogie 46
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9:12pm Thu 6 Dec 12

FranOb says...

Surely a challenge to the Home Office is needed? This is verging on corruption, handing out £50Kper year of public money without a transparent interview process cannot be legal an it?
Surely a challenge to the Home Office is needed? This is verging on corruption, handing out £50Kper year of public money without a transparent interview process cannot be legal an it? FranOb
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12:05am Fri 7 Dec 12

Maggie Would says...

nantgarw wrote:
The PCC post is an excellent attempt to give residents some real leverage in long established battles with West Mercia Police hierarchy. There are many Hagley residents, for example, who are totally disgusted with the lack of a functioning local force.The village now has to share a sergeant and its only constable with Rubery and all senior officers, plus the Chief Constable are deaf to the protests. The PCC will hopefully restore the idea of a local force acting on the justifiable demands of the residents. My warning at the time of the Election was that we should not elect a former police officer to this position. I think people are beginning to see that my arguments were persuasive.Only time will tell if Mr Longmore is the poodle of his ex colleagues or if he is genuinely independent and the Residents' champion.
Good heavens. If Hagley has to share a police service with Rubery, I shouldn't think you get a look in!
[quote][p][bold]nantgarw[/bold] wrote: The PCC post is an excellent attempt to give residents some real leverage in long established battles with West Mercia Police hierarchy. There are many Hagley residents, for example, who are totally disgusted with the lack of a functioning local force.The village now has to share a sergeant and its only constable with Rubery and all senior officers, plus the Chief Constable are deaf to the protests. The PCC will hopefully restore the idea of a local force acting on the justifiable demands of the residents. My warning at the time of the Election was that we should not elect a former police officer to this position. I think people are beginning to see that my arguments were persuasive.Only time will tell if Mr Longmore is the poodle of his ex colleagues or if he is genuinely independent and the Residents' champion.[/p][/quote]Good heavens. If Hagley has to share a police service with Rubery, I shouldn't think you get a look in! Maggie Would
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12:08am Fri 7 Dec 12

Maggie Would says...

RichE76 wrote:
May 2016 can't come soon enough....
Do you mean May 2015? That's when we have to have a General Election by.
[quote][p][bold]RichE76[/bold] wrote: May 2016 can't come soon enough....[/p][/quote]Do you mean May 2015? That's when we have to have a General Election by. Maggie Would
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7:20am Fri 7 Dec 12

DAVID1875 says...

Maggie Would, in September 2012 there were 55 recorded crimes and ASB incidents in Rubery but in Hagley there were 99! nantgarw is completely correct about the appalling levels of policing in Hagley. There is virtually no community engagement via the PACT process, PACT priorities are not dealt with, and arrogant senior police officers when told about this show total contempt for the public by stating that local officers are excellent! And to cap it all they take away our full-time local policing officer until further notice but continue to employ 2 CSOs who cannot arrest anyone and cannot even issue a parking ticket!
Maggie Would, in September 2012 there were 55 recorded crimes and ASB incidents in Rubery but in Hagley there were 99! nantgarw is completely correct about the appalling levels of policing in Hagley. There is virtually no community engagement via the PACT process, PACT priorities are not dealt with, and arrogant senior police officers when told about this show total contempt for the public by stating that local officers are excellent! And to cap it all they take away our full-time local policing officer until further notice but continue to employ 2 CSOs who cannot arrest anyone and cannot even issue a parking ticket! DAVID1875
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7:54am Fri 7 Dec 12

longpete says...

Unfortunately, West Mercia isn't the only area of the country where this is happening: http://www.guardian.
co.uk/uk/2012/dec/06
/police-commissioner
s-accused-of-power-g
rab
Unfortunately, West Mercia isn't the only area of the country where this is happening: http://www.guardian. co.uk/uk/2012/dec/06 /police-commissioner s-accused-of-power-g rab longpete
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8:06am Fri 7 Dec 12

rackedoff says...

Let's face it Bill, who retired from policing before computers were introduced, was elected as a consequence of the electoral system that was used - a second preference vote was always likely to favor an independent where only one stood on a low turnout. He appears to have little concept of the obligations of public office in 2012 - transparency and refusing to comment??? Could be worse of course - see today's Gaurdian in which for the reputation of West Mercia he gets a mention. How long before he sorts out a mate with PR skills to advise him?
Let's face it Bill, who retired from policing before computers were introduced, was elected as a consequence of the electoral system that was used - a second preference vote was always likely to favor an independent where only one stood on a low turnout. He appears to have little concept of the obligations of public office in 2012 - transparency and refusing to comment??? Could be worse of course - see today's Gaurdian in which for the reputation of West Mercia he gets a mention. How long before he sorts out a mate with PR skills to advise him? rackedoff
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8:08am Fri 7 Dec 12

wooshman says...

Give Up! wrote:
Nantgarw.... Do not hold out hope for hagley. What will happen with these cuts is estate will be cut leaving no police stations in many areas. The police will then all work from major hubs and drive out to the smaller towns and villages.. Exactly the same model as previous council practices. So never mind hagley, wait until Malvern, Oswestry and similar size areas no longer have a police station.
Well made point whist we talk about the Crime Lord etc this important change is not being reported South Worcestershire will have only one police station and that's at Worcester so bye to Evesham Malvern Pershore Upton Broadway Tenbury perhaps the savings are paying for this cronyism
[quote][p][bold]Give Up![/bold] wrote: Nantgarw.... Do not hold out hope for hagley. What will happen with these cuts is estate will be cut leaving no police stations in many areas. The police will then all work from major hubs and drive out to the smaller towns and villages.. Exactly the same model as previous council practices. So never mind hagley, wait until Malvern, Oswestry and similar size areas no longer have a police station.[/p][/quote]Well made point whist we talk about the Crime Lord etc this important change is not being reported South Worcestershire will have only one police station and that's at Worcester so bye to Evesham Malvern Pershore Upton Broadway Tenbury perhaps the savings are paying for this cronyism wooshman
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8:12am Fri 7 Dec 12

Jack the Giantkiller says...

I didn't vote for any of the candidates. My experience is that there are two groups of people who cannot be trusted - politicians and police - and all three candidates came from these categories. Bill Longmore is now treating those who voted for him and everyone else in the West Mercia area with total contempt. After a campaign where he had an answer for everything, now that he has secured his £75,000 a year he is already hiding behind "no comment" when faced with the most serious and relevant question that he has been asked so far. His combination of arrogance and naivety is a very dangerous combination.
I didn't vote for any of the candidates. My experience is that there are two groups of people who cannot be trusted - politicians and police - and all three candidates came from these categories. Bill Longmore is now treating those who voted for him and everyone else in the West Mercia area with total contempt. After a campaign where he had an answer for everything, now that he has secured his £75,000 a year he is already hiding behind "no comment" when faced with the most serious and relevant question that he has been asked so far. His combination of arrogance and naivety is a very dangerous combination. Jack the Giantkiller
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8:31am Fri 7 Dec 12

Dickie of Dodderhill says...

Complete shambles !!

A very poor error of judgement Mr Longmore, as one who was pleased to see an independent candidate win this election, I can only agree with the many comments already posted.
This doesn't bode well for the future.

How long before the Chief Constable hands in his retirement application ?
Complete shambles !! A very poor error of judgement Mr Longmore, as one who was pleased to see an independent candidate win this election, I can only agree with the many comments already posted. This doesn't bode well for the future. How long before the Chief Constable hands in his retirement application ? Dickie of Dodderhill
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8:56am Fri 7 Dec 12

blueworcs says...

Don,t be surprised If they both employ family members as Secretaries....
Don,t be surprised If they both employ family members as Secretaries.... blueworcs
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10:26am Fri 7 Dec 12

Hillbilly1 says...

wooshman wrote:
Lesson to all those who choose not to vote - this is what happens
Lesson to all those who choose to vote - this is what happens

If there had been a 100% turnout, Mr Longmore could still have been elected, with a bigger majority, and more compelling mandate. This situation would still have then taken place.

I chose to vote, I didnt know any of the candidates, didnt have any access to the candidates, didnt get any information about the candidates, so I voted for none of them.
[quote][p][bold]wooshman[/bold] wrote: Lesson to all those who choose not to vote - this is what happens[/p][/quote]Lesson to all those who choose to vote - this is what happens If there had been a 100% turnout, Mr Longmore could still have been elected, with a bigger majority, and more compelling mandate. This situation would still have then taken place. I chose to vote, I didnt know any of the candidates, didnt have any access to the candidates, didnt get any information about the candidates, so I voted for none of them. Hillbilly1
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1:04pm Fri 7 Dec 12

More Tea Vicar says...

wooshman wrote:
Lesson to all those who choose not to vote - this is what happens
Not really. The low turnout was a mixture of apathy and outright hostility to an ill-conceived policy.

The Tories made a complete mess of this. Spending loads of money at a time of austerity, and then getting it wrong.

We were unable to form a true picture of the candidates, so how could we vote properly?
[quote][p][bold]wooshman[/bold] wrote: Lesson to all those who choose not to vote - this is what happens[/p][/quote]Not really. The low turnout was a mixture of apathy and outright hostility to an ill-conceived policy. The Tories made a complete mess of this. Spending loads of money at a time of austerity, and then getting it wrong. We were unable to form a true picture of the candidates, so how could we vote properly? More Tea Vicar
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4:57pm Fri 7 Dec 12

daned says...

wooshman wrote:
Lesson to all those who choose not to vote - this is what happens
I only voted for him in order to keep the sleaze of politicians out of it - and look what I got!
[quote][p][bold]wooshman[/bold] wrote: Lesson to all those who choose not to vote - this is what happens[/p][/quote]I only voted for him in order to keep the sleaze of politicians out of it - and look what I got! daned
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6:27pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Olga says...

To the good folk of Worcester - I apologise and take my share of the blame - after listening to the BBC Hereford and Worcester broadcasts leading up to this election I intended to vote for the other candidates to keep Old Bill out of the Old Bill job.
I was prepared to forgo my usual party loyalties and vote for another as I thought he put a better point forward.
Old Bill would NOT have been on my card but alas I didn't go in the end.
I apologise to you all for my part in us getting this candidate elected.
To the good folk of Worcester - I apologise and take my share of the blame - after listening to the BBC Hereford and Worcester broadcasts leading up to this election I intended to vote for the other candidates to keep Old Bill out of the Old Bill job. I was prepared to forgo my usual party loyalties and vote for another as I thought he put a better point forward. Old Bill would NOT have been on my card but alas I didn't go in the end. I apologise to you all for my part in us getting this candidate elected. Olga
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10:16pm Fri 7 Dec 12

grumpy woman says...

Surely the position of both is now untenable. They have lost any respect and confidence the public ever had in them.
Surely the position of both is now untenable. They have lost any respect and confidence the public ever had in them. grumpy woman
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10:58am Sat 8 Dec 12

pronstar says...

Olga wrote:
To the good folk of Worcester - I apologise and take my share of the blame - after listening to the BBC Hereford and Worcester broadcasts leading up to this election I intended to vote for the other candidates to keep Old Bill out of the Old Bill job.
I was prepared to forgo my usual party loyalties and vote for another as I thought he put a better point forward.
Old Bill would NOT have been on my card but alas I didn't go in the end.
I apologise to you all for my part in us getting this candidate elected.
No problem Olga
[quote][p][bold]Olga[/bold] wrote: To the good folk of Worcester - I apologise and take my share of the blame - after listening to the BBC Hereford and Worcester broadcasts leading up to this election I intended to vote for the other candidates to keep Old Bill out of the Old Bill job. I was prepared to forgo my usual party loyalties and vote for another as I thought he put a better point forward. Old Bill would NOT have been on my card but alas I didn't go in the end. I apologise to you all for my part in us getting this candidate elected.[/p][/quote]No problem Olga pronstar
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8:47am Sun 9 Dec 12

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

We are stuck with this self-serving clown for another 5 years. Another 6 PCC's are retaining there roles as councillors (and taking allowances) whilst appointing deputies. The whole concept of the PCC's was flawed from the start, it's now turning into a "who can feed most from the trough". They are showing MP's a thing or two on how to be corrupt!
We are stuck with this self-serving clown for another 5 years. Another 6 PCC's are retaining there roles as councillors (and taking allowances) whilst appointing deputies. The whole concept of the PCC's was flawed from the start, it's now turning into a "who can feed most from the trough". They are showing MP's a thing or two on how to be corrupt! imustbeoldiwearacap
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9:41am Sun 9 Dec 12

reflector says...

Sadly, Longmore is by no means alone.

This is turning out to be an even worse shambles than many of us even feared.
I'd be interested to hear the views of those Tory and Lib Dem MP's who forced through this unwanted and ill thought out legislation.

I agree that the old Police Authorities were not perfect but they could have been made more accountable and democratic without foisting on us these dictators who think because they were elected (even in some cases with the support of no more than 5% of the electorate!), they can do whatever they like.
Sadly, Longmore is by no means alone. This is turning out to be an even worse shambles than many of us even feared. I'd be interested to hear the views of those Tory and Lib Dem MP's who forced through this unwanted and ill thought out legislation. I agree that the old Police Authorities were not perfect but they could have been made more accountable and democratic without foisting on us these dictators who think because they were elected (even in some cases with the support of no more than 5% of the electorate!), they can do whatever they like. reflector
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