Broken socket is risk to my family

DOOR UNHINGED: David Paterson with 12-month-old daughter Elle-Louise. 1113268101

HANGING OFF: The socket damaged by the pushchair.

First published in Worcester by , Reporter

AN angry father-of-five claims his children are facing danger in their own home from exposed electrical wiring which he was told would not be fixed for five days.

David Paterson, of Woodstock Road, called Worcester Community Housing (WCH) immediately after his 11-year-old son Christian accidentally knocked the surface-mounted socket on Monday with a pushchair, breaking the casing.

The registered carer thought the damage would be fixed immediately but was furious when he was told it was not an emergency and could take up to five days.

The door leading to the dining room is hanging by one hinge after years of repairs had left the frame resembling a “colander” so could not be used to cordon off the area, he said.

A WCH spokesperson said the call did not fall within its category of emergency 24-hour response but was categorised as urgent, meaning work would be carried out within five working days.

Mr Paterson had asked his son to move a pushchair into the dining room but Christian, who goes to Regency High School, accidentally caught the socket with the pushchair and it shattered.

“I understand it is our fault and we will have to pay, I am not bothered about that, but it is totally unsafe and needs fixing immediately,” he said.

A trained tradesman was expected to visit the family home today.

But the 39-year-old said he believed someone should have been sent out as an emergency as the exposed wires put his children Christian, who has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), McKenzie, seven, Charlie, Archie, a four-year-old with learning difficulties, and Elle-Louise, one, at risk.

The family was forced to cancel Charlie’s sixth birthday party on Tuesday because of fears over the safety of his friends.

Mr Paterson added: “Our dining room door is broken and I have two disabled children so it means I will have to stand in the dining room doorway to stop them going in – it is an absolute joke.

“It is totally unsafe because the wires are exposed. If the door was fixed I could put a catch but I can’t even do that.”

Marc Mayall, head of building maintenance service at WCH, said: “We take our repair responsibilities seriously and we will always try to meet the needs of our customers, on this occasion, unfortunately, Mr Peterson was not happy with our service.

“We will take this into consideration when the repair categories are reviewed in the future.”

He said that due to the nature of how the socket was damaged Mr Paterson would be charged for the repair work.

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4:01pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Guy66 says...

http://www.screwfix.
com/p/marbo-2-gang-s
urface-pattress-box-
white-25mm/30888

£0.88

http://www.screwfix.
com/p/marbo-13a-2-ga
ng-dp-switched-plug-
socket-white/24029

£2.10

and then five minutes to fix.

While I have sympathy with your predicament, it takes less than £3 and less than 10 minutes time to fix a broken surface mounted electric socket.......
http://www.screwfix. com/p/marbo-2-gang-s urface-pattress-box- white-25mm/30888 £0.88 http://www.screwfix. com/p/marbo-13a-2-ga ng-dp-switched-plug- socket-white/24029 £2.10 and then five minutes to fix. While I have sympathy with your predicament, it takes less than £3 and less than 10 minutes time to fix a broken surface mounted electric socket....... Guy66
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4:14pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Robot 3021 says...

Gaffer tape? Superglue? A safety guard constructed from a number of those little cocktail umbrellas?

Am I missing something here? Is there a legal reason why they can't do something themselves temporarily, to alleviate the immediate problems, or even, as suggested, get a new socket cover and fix it?
Gaffer tape? Superglue? A safety guard constructed from a number of those little cocktail umbrellas? Am I missing something here? Is there a legal reason why they can't do something themselves temporarily, to alleviate the immediate problems, or even, as suggested, get a new socket cover and fix it? Robot 3021
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4:30pm Wed 13 Mar 13

southernfairy says...

Why not take the door off the hinge?
You are getting free or cheap rent housing yet people still complain?!!!
You could have easily covered up that socket temporarily till wch fixed it.
I am fed up of these people contacting the papers over housing issues, I bet they are doing it to be moved elsewhere!
Why not take the door off the hinge? You are getting free or cheap rent housing yet people still complain?!!! You could have easily covered up that socket temporarily till wch fixed it. I am fed up of these people contacting the papers over housing issues, I bet they are doing it to be moved elsewhere! southernfairy
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4:38pm Wed 13 Mar 13

jennifer1995 says...

Pathetic, why can't people help themselves! They get given things for free/next to nothing and still moan. What is wrong with the man, can't he fix it himself? It makes me sick, it really does
Pathetic, why can't people help themselves! They get given things for free/next to nothing and still moan. What is wrong with the man, can't he fix it himself? It makes me sick, it really does jennifer1995
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4:39pm Wed 13 Mar 13

jennifer1995 says...

Of course, I could be wrong and the man is hard at work all day, but I very much doubt it
Of course, I could be wrong and the man is hard at work all day, but I very much doubt it jennifer1995
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4:41pm Wed 13 Mar 13

old misery says...

why not take out insurance with 5 kids in the house got to be cheaper than keep paying for repairs
why not take out insurance with 5 kids in the house got to be cheaper than keep paying for repairs old misery
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4:51pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Sir Smeg says...

Socket hanging off? Door hinge faulty??
Then fix it dear Liza, it's not rocket science. You only need to be 'competent' to fix minor electrical faults, or are you suggesting you're not competent?
Socket hanging off? Door hinge faulty?? Then fix it dear Liza, it's not rocket science. You only need to be 'competent' to fix minor electrical faults, or are you suggesting you're not competent? Sir Smeg
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5:23pm Wed 13 Mar 13

TDH123 says...

Why not repair it temporarily or permanently? Anyone else would - where did this expectation that it would be fixed immediately come from? Seems the sort of expectation that someone who has been given everything for free would have. What an example to his five children.
Why not repair it temporarily or permanently? Anyone else would - where did this expectation that it would be fixed immediately come from? Seems the sort of expectation that someone who has been given everything for free would have. What an example to his five children. TDH123
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5:24pm Wed 13 Mar 13

southernfairy says...

I really don't see how this is wch fault and what they have done wrong?
I really don't see how this is wch fault and what they have done wrong? southernfairy
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5:28pm Wed 13 Mar 13

blueworcs says...

If he's got the time to call the media and pose for pathetic pictures then he has time to fix the bloody thing himself....Yet another attention seeker looking for sympathy and another slow day at the News desk, why do you give these people the time of day? What a waste of Newsprint..........
If he's got the time to call the media and pose for pathetic pictures then he has time to fix the bloody thing himself....Yet another attention seeker looking for sympathy and another slow day at the News desk, why do you give these people the time of day? What a waste of Newsprint.......... blueworcs
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6:02pm Wed 13 Mar 13

lizzyloolah says...

Who has been repairing the door?
Who has been repairing the door? lizzyloolah
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6:11pm Wed 13 Mar 13

psychoflump says...

To be fair to the man if he's not knowledgable about electrics it's not smart to go poking around in sockets. All you people advocating him having a go, you'd probably be making comments along the lines of "what a prat, trying to fix this himself", upon reading a headline of "Man electrocutes himself fiddling with power socket."

Nothing stopping him maybe putting a bookcase or something in front of it to block it off temporarily.
To be fair to the man if he's not knowledgable about electrics it's not smart to go poking around in sockets. All you people advocating him having a go, you'd probably be making comments along the lines of "what a prat, trying to fix this himself", upon reading a headline of "Man electrocutes himself fiddling with power socket." Nothing stopping him maybe putting a bookcase or something in front of it to block it off temporarily. psychoflump
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7:23pm Wed 13 Mar 13

wooshman says...

Another social tenant seeking attention well welcome to the real world where things do not come handed to you on a plate, just fix it why punish your child by cancelling their party
Another social tenant seeking attention well welcome to the real world where things do not come handed to you on a plate, just fix it why punish your child by cancelling their party wooshman
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8:11pm Wed 13 Mar 13

EconoXL says...

That could easily have been made safe temporarily with some gaffa tape, posing no risk to the person making it safe or the occupants of the house. I personally would have replaced it myself, but I understand him not doing it if he's not confident with electrics.

It's really not worthy of a news story is it?
That could easily have been made safe temporarily with some gaffa tape, posing no risk to the person making it safe or the occupants of the house. I personally would have replaced it myself, but I understand him not doing it if he's not confident with electrics. It's really not worthy of a news story is it? EconoXL
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8:16pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Moves Unlike Jagger says...

There is an unemployed chef down the road with nothing to do, maybe he could come around and cover the socket for you with an empty Asda Chicken Curry box.
There is an unemployed chef down the road with nothing to do, maybe he could come around and cover the socket for you with an empty Asda Chicken Curry box. Moves Unlike Jagger
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9:41pm Wed 13 Mar 13

CJH says...

Here we go again - another 'furious' competitor in the Worcester News' Trivial Problem game. When's the final? I think chicken curry man is probably still in the lead - take a lot to beat him I think for sheer stupidity and arrogance. On a side point - that child looks distressed - what sort of parent would want a picture like that in the paper?
Here we go again - another 'furious' competitor in the Worcester News' Trivial Problem game. When's the final? I think chicken curry man is probably still in the lead - take a lot to beat him I think for sheer stupidity and arrogance. On a side point - that child looks distressed - what sort of parent would want a picture like that in the paper? CJH
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10:09pm Wed 13 Mar 13

MissMini says...

What are you moaning about - I'd like my household repairs done for me - unfortunately, as someone who has to work and pay a mortgage, if anything wants fixing in my house I have to do it / pay for it myself. Has this guy got no initiative?
What are you moaning about - I'd like my household repairs done for me - unfortunately, as someone who has to work and pay a mortgage, if anything wants fixing in my house I have to do it / pay for it myself. Has this guy got no initiative? MissMini
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10:10pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Andy1955 says...

Oh dear, there's a bigger problem here.. How can a 4 year old be 'Judged' with learning disabilities... I didn't go to school until I was 5!!
Plus an 11 year old with ADHD?
Part of your jobs as parents is to make their home safe, and to encourage them with their future...
I really believe that it these kids were given a chance, away from the Family they could have a 'normal' life in front of them.
I don't mean to offend, but its how I feel!
Oh dear, there's a bigger problem here.. How can a 4 year old be 'Judged' with learning disabilities... I didn't go to school until I was 5!! Plus an 11 year old with ADHD? Part of your jobs as parents is to make their home safe, and to encourage them with their future... I really believe that it these kids were given a chance, away from the Family they could have a 'normal' life in front of them. I don't mean to offend, but its how I feel! Andy1955
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11:25pm Wed 13 Mar 13

Guy66 says...

psychoflump wrote:
To be fair to the man if he's not knowledgable about electrics it's not smart to go poking around in sockets. All you people advocating him having a go, you'd probably be making comments along the lines of "what a prat, trying to fix this himself", upon reading a headline of "Man electrocutes himself fiddling with power socket."

Nothing stopping him maybe putting a bookcase or something in front of it to block it off temporarily.
That's a good point but most people have a clue where the consumer unit is (electrical fuse box) and how to turn the RCD circuits off and on. The modern units are sensitive enough to trip when a light bulb blows so you must have a clue how to handle that situation? or do they call the housing association to change light bulbs as well?
[quote][p][bold]psychoflump[/bold] wrote: To be fair to the man if he's not knowledgable about electrics it's not smart to go poking around in sockets. All you people advocating him having a go, you'd probably be making comments along the lines of "what a prat, trying to fix this himself", upon reading a headline of "Man electrocutes himself fiddling with power socket." Nothing stopping him maybe putting a bookcase or something in front of it to block it off temporarily.[/p][/quote]That's a good point but most people have a clue where the consumer unit is (electrical fuse box) and how to turn the RCD circuits off and on. The modern units are sensitive enough to trip when a light bulb blows so you must have a clue how to handle that situation? or do they call the housing association to change light bulbs as well? Guy66
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2:26am Thu 14 Mar 13

topjock1972 says...

if your willing to pay for it then phone an electrician, you may even find one advertising in the Worcester news. ......... probably the only section worth reading as the rest is rubbish like this
if your willing to pay for it then phone an electrician, you may even find one advertising in the Worcester news. ......... probably the only section worth reading as the rest is rubbish like this topjock1972
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7:28am Thu 14 Mar 13

jennifer1995 says...

Andy, I totally agree with your post. I think the same way........
Andy, I totally agree with your post. I think the same way........ jennifer1995
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7:35am Thu 14 Mar 13

Respectable says...

Man Up and stop being so pathetic. The world needs to stand on it's own two feet. You've no right to be angry..
Man Up and stop being so pathetic. The world needs to stand on it's own two feet. You've no right to be angry.. Respectable
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8:27am Thu 14 Mar 13

New Kid on the Block says...

If I damage something in my house I pay for it so why should he be any different.
WCH could always send an emergency electrician round then send the Bill.
If I damage something in my house I pay for it so why should he be any different. WCH could always send an emergency electrician round then send the Bill. New Kid on the Block
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8:42am Thu 14 Mar 13

ushmush83 says...

Full time carer, pfft.
Full time carer, pfft. ushmush83
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9:45am Thu 14 Mar 13

Hwicce says...

He should just fix it himself, a socket back and some screws would cost next to nothing.

He shouldn't be using those socket covers either.

See - http://www.fatallyfl
awed.org.uk/
He should just fix it himself, a socket back and some screws would cost next to nothing. He shouldn't be using those socket covers either. See - http://www.fatallyfl awed.org.uk/ Hwicce
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10:32am Thu 14 Mar 13

FourWFR says...

Reading stuff like this about him and his sort really winds me up! #Duffer
Reading stuff like this about him and his sort really winds me up! #Duffer FourWFR
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11:39am Thu 14 Mar 13

Hillbilly1 says...

Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused.
No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so.
This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.
Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused. No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so. This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency. Hillbilly1
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11:51am Thu 14 Mar 13

thecigarman says...

WN why are you reporting nonsense like this. Get out and about and get some proper stories. To much doom and gloom in your paper. Hes a real good role model for his kids isent he.
WN why are you reporting nonsense like this. Get out and about and get some proper stories. To much doom and gloom in your paper. Hes a real good role model for his kids isent he. thecigarman
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11:55am Thu 14 Mar 13

Guy66 says...

Hillbilly1 wrote:
Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused.
No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so.
This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.
Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected.

What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix....
[quote][p][bold]Hillbilly1[/bold] wrote: Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused. No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so. This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.[/p][/quote]Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected. What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix.... Guy66
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12:24pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Hillbilly1 says...

Guy66 wrote:
http://www.screwfix.

com/p/marbo-2-gang-s

urface-pattress-box-

white-25mm/30888

£0.88

http://www.screwfix.

com/p/marbo-13a-2-ga

ng-dp-switched-plug-

socket-white/24029

£2.10

and then five minutes to fix.

While I have sympathy with your predicament, it takes less than £3 and less than 10 minutes time to fix a broken surface mounted electric socket.......
Guy, you forgot to mention to turn off the power supply at the fuse box. You have just potentially killed the chap, so that's pretty poor help you've provided. You are also assuming he knows how to wire sockets, which he may not.
[quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: http://www.screwfix. com/p/marbo-2-gang-s urface-pattress-box- white-25mm/30888 £0.88 http://www.screwfix. com/p/marbo-13a-2-ga ng-dp-switched-plug- socket-white/24029 £2.10 and then five minutes to fix. While I have sympathy with your predicament, it takes less than £3 and less than 10 minutes time to fix a broken surface mounted electric socket.......[/p][/quote]Guy, you forgot to mention to turn off the power supply at the fuse box. You have just potentially killed the chap, so that's pretty poor help you've provided. You are also assuming he knows how to wire sockets, which he may not. Hillbilly1
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12:27pm Thu 14 Mar 13

psychoflump says...

Hillbilly1 wrote:
Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused.
No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so.
This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.
This.

I privately rent, if I had a broken socket I'd expect the landlord to sort it. If you own the property and pay a mortgage then it's your problem, one of the (few) advantages of renting is not having to deal with stuff like this.
[quote][p][bold]Hillbilly1[/bold] wrote: Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused. No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so. This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.[/p][/quote]This. I privately rent, if I had a broken socket I'd expect the landlord to sort it. If you own the property and pay a mortgage then it's your problem, one of the (few) advantages of renting is not having to deal with stuff like this. psychoflump
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12:30pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Hillbilly1 says...

Guy66 wrote:
Hillbilly1 wrote:
Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused.
No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so.
This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.
Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected.

What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix....
Bare wires can spark, and there's a lot of flammable material around that socket. If the wallpaper catches the spark, he's facing a huge liability claim.
If he puts a saw in the door temporarily, and it did come out and injure his child, the landlord would quite rightly claim that he no longer had any liability as the door had been tampered with. Landlords have obligations to tenants, and will try everything to limit their liability, including where tenants have carried out their own repairs. WCH have admitted their liability to carry out the repairs, the tenant must not override this however easy or quick it might seem.
[quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hillbilly1[/bold] wrote: Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused. No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so. This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.[/p][/quote]Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected. What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix....[/p][/quote]Bare wires can spark, and there's a lot of flammable material around that socket. If the wallpaper catches the spark, he's facing a huge liability claim. If he puts a saw in the door temporarily, and it did come out and injure his child, the landlord would quite rightly claim that he no longer had any liability as the door had been tampered with. Landlords have obligations to tenants, and will try everything to limit their liability, including where tenants have carried out their own repairs. WCH have admitted their liability to carry out the repairs, the tenant must not override this however easy or quick it might seem. Hillbilly1
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12:38pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Keith B says...

My lawn needs cutting. Worth a headline?

Nobody came to cut it for me - Am I an angry pensioner, annoyed Dad, furious businessman .... not really and I haven't even folded my arms for the angry picture.

My shed needs a lick of paint too, I've got a wonky floorboard and a washer needs replacing on a dripping tap.

I know what I'll do .... I'll either call in a tradesman or mend it myself.

I've worked hard all my life to buy my house, so I have to sort these things out for myself. Nothing comes for free for people who work hard and save.

But when I get old or ill and I really DO need help, because I've put some of my already taxed money aside I won't be eligible for free care and the politicians of the left and centre (which include half the Tory's too) will want me to be taxed on my savings, pay extra tax on my nice house, plus taxes on my pension which Gordon Brown already taxed the hell out of before selling off all the Gold reserves at the bottom of the market.

This is a worthwhile story for Worcester News to carry if only to remind most of us how much we are paying to subsidise the lifestyle of the likes of Mr Paterson and the rest of the Nanny State reliant members of the community.
My lawn needs cutting. Worth a headline? Nobody came to cut it for me - Am I an angry pensioner, annoyed Dad, furious businessman .... not really and I haven't even folded my arms for the angry picture. My shed needs a lick of paint too, I've got a wonky floorboard and a washer needs replacing on a dripping tap. I know what I'll do .... I'll either call in a tradesman or mend it myself. I've worked hard all my life to buy my house, so I have to sort these things out for myself. Nothing comes for free for people who work hard and save. But when I get old or ill and I really DO need help, because I've put some of my already taxed money aside I won't be eligible for free care and the politicians of the left and centre (which include half the Tory's too) will want me to be taxed on my savings, pay extra tax on my nice house, plus taxes on my pension which Gordon Brown already taxed the hell out of before selling off all the Gold reserves at the bottom of the market. This is a worthwhile story for Worcester News to carry if only to remind most of us how much we are paying to subsidise the lifestyle of the likes of Mr Paterson and the rest of the Nanny State reliant members of the community. Keith B
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1:18pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Guy66 says...

Hillbilly1 wrote:
Guy66 wrote:
Hillbilly1 wrote:
Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused.
No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so.
This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.
Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected.

What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix....
Bare wires can spark, and there's a lot of flammable material around that socket. If the wallpaper catches the spark, he's facing a huge liability claim.
If he puts a saw in the door temporarily, and it did come out and injure his child, the landlord would quite rightly claim that he no longer had any liability as the door had been tampered with. Landlords have obligations to tenants, and will try everything to limit their liability, including where tenants have carried out their own repairs. WCH have admitted their liability to carry out the repairs, the tenant must not override this however easy or quick it might seem.
Do you even know how an RCD protected circuit works?
[quote][p][bold]Hillbilly1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hillbilly1[/bold] wrote: Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused. No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so. This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.[/p][/quote]Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected. What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix....[/p][/quote]Bare wires can spark, and there's a lot of flammable material around that socket. If the wallpaper catches the spark, he's facing a huge liability claim. If he puts a saw in the door temporarily, and it did come out and injure his child, the landlord would quite rightly claim that he no longer had any liability as the door had been tampered with. Landlords have obligations to tenants, and will try everything to limit their liability, including where tenants have carried out their own repairs. WCH have admitted their liability to carry out the repairs, the tenant must not override this however easy or quick it might seem.[/p][/quote]Do you even know how an RCD protected circuit works? Guy66
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2:06pm Thu 14 Mar 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

Can we please start a campaign for the WN to STOP reporting this time-wasting trivia!!!!!!
Can we please start a campaign for the WN to STOP reporting this time-wasting trivia!!!!!! imustbeoldiwearacap
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2:35pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Mr A Mazing says...

Another gripping 'news' story.

Come on Worcester News, some of the stuff recently has been dire.
Another gripping 'news' story. Come on Worcester News, some of the stuff recently has been dire. Mr A Mazing
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2:46pm Thu 14 Mar 13

CJH says...

Perhaps someone at WN Towers could actually acknowledge that they read and take on board our comments about these damned stupid stories. And if they disagree with us, please tell us why!
Perhaps someone at WN Towers could actually acknowledge that they read and take on board our comments about these damned stupid stories. And if they disagree with us, please tell us why! CJH
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4:25pm Thu 14 Mar 13

New Kid on the Block says...

Why has the door required years of repairs? Who keeps breaking it and how?
My dining room door has been in place for over 90 years and has not needed years of repairs.
If Mr Paterson is going to be charged for the repair by WCH this means that they consider him to be responsible for the damage.
So why doesn't he do what most people would consider normal and either fix it, or get it fixed?
Why has the door required years of repairs? Who keeps breaking it and how? My dining room door has been in place for over 90 years and has not needed years of repairs. If Mr Paterson is going to be charged for the repair by WCH this means that they consider him to be responsible for the damage. So why doesn't he do what most people would consider normal and either fix it, or get it fixed? New Kid on the Block
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5:22pm Thu 14 Mar 13

thecigarman says...

Because its cheaper for them to do it than him getting someone, also it can be paid in instalments.
Because its cheaper for them to do it than him getting someone, also it can be paid in instalments. thecigarman
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5:39pm Thu 14 Mar 13

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

When the NHS was first introduced it's slogan was "From the Cradle to the Grave". It now appears that some people think that everything should be provided by the State "From the Cradle to the Grave" I despair!!!!
When the NHS was first introduced it's slogan was "From the Cradle to the Grave". It now appears that some people think that everything should be provided by the State "From the Cradle to the Grave" I despair!!!! imustbeoldiwearacap
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6:13pm Thu 14 Mar 13

raq says...

Will WCH charge him for the repairing the damage which his family caused?
Will WCH charge him for the repairing the damage which his family caused? raq
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8:45pm Thu 14 Mar 13

pinkfluff says...

New Kid on the Block wrote:
Why has the door required years of repairs? Who keeps breaking it and how?
My dining room door has been in place for over 90 years and has not needed years of repairs.
If Mr Paterson is going to be charged for the repair by WCH this means that they consider him to be responsible for the damage.
So why doesn't he do what most people would consider normal and either fix it, or get it fixed?
In my experience the doors get damaged like that because the children swing on them. Seen it a fair few times now. I'm just a little suspicious of the explanation about how the socket was damaged too. I am happy to be wrong though.
[quote][p][bold]New Kid on the Block[/bold] wrote: Why has the door required years of repairs? Who keeps breaking it and how? My dining room door has been in place for over 90 years and has not needed years of repairs. If Mr Paterson is going to be charged for the repair by WCH this means that they consider him to be responsible for the damage. So why doesn't he do what most people would consider normal and either fix it, or get it fixed?[/p][/quote]In my experience the doors get damaged like that because the children swing on them. Seen it a fair few times now. I'm just a little suspicious of the explanation about how the socket was damaged too. I am happy to be wrong though. pinkfluff
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8:48pm Thu 14 Mar 13

pinkfluff says...

Keith B wrote:
My lawn needs cutting. Worth a headline?

Nobody came to cut it for me - Am I an angry pensioner, annoyed Dad, furious businessman .... not really and I haven't even folded my arms for the angry picture.

My shed needs a lick of paint too, I've got a wonky floorboard and a washer needs replacing on a dripping tap.

I know what I'll do .... I'll either call in a tradesman or mend it myself.

I've worked hard all my life to buy my house, so I have to sort these things out for myself. Nothing comes for free for people who work hard and save.

But when I get old or ill and I really DO need help, because I've put some of my already taxed money aside I won't be eligible for free care and the politicians of the left and centre (which include half the Tory's too) will want me to be taxed on my savings, pay extra tax on my nice house, plus taxes on my pension which Gordon Brown already taxed the hell out of before selling off all the Gold reserves at the bottom of the market.

This is a worthwhile story for Worcester News to carry if only to remind most of us how much we are paying to subsidise the lifestyle of the likes of Mr Paterson and the rest of the Nanny State reliant members of the community.
hmmmmm the WN seems be doing a fair bit of this lately.
[quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: My lawn needs cutting. Worth a headline? Nobody came to cut it for me - Am I an angry pensioner, annoyed Dad, furious businessman .... not really and I haven't even folded my arms for the angry picture. My shed needs a lick of paint too, I've got a wonky floorboard and a washer needs replacing on a dripping tap. I know what I'll do .... I'll either call in a tradesman or mend it myself. I've worked hard all my life to buy my house, so I have to sort these things out for myself. Nothing comes for free for people who work hard and save. But when I get old or ill and I really DO need help, because I've put some of my already taxed money aside I won't be eligible for free care and the politicians of the left and centre (which include half the Tory's too) will want me to be taxed on my savings, pay extra tax on my nice house, plus taxes on my pension which Gordon Brown already taxed the hell out of before selling off all the Gold reserves at the bottom of the market. This is a worthwhile story for Worcester News to carry if only to remind most of us how much we are paying to subsidise the lifestyle of the likes of Mr Paterson and the rest of the Nanny State reliant members of the community.[/p][/quote]hmmmmm the WN seems be doing a fair bit of this lately. pinkfluff
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9:02pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Malvernrob says...

For goodness sake man, just get it fixed and pay up. Take responsibility for your life. No wonder this country is in such a mess.
For goodness sake man, just get it fixed and pay up. Take responsibility for your life. No wonder this country is in such a mess. Malvernrob
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9:08pm Thu 14 Mar 13

thecigarman says...

Malvernrob wrote:
For goodness sake man, just get it fixed and pay up. Take responsibility for your life. No wonder this country is in such a mess.
This country is far too soft, and as long as the papers keep printing this nonsense, attention seekers will continue to whine over anything. He should be made to go on a diy course, us taxpayers foot the end bill. Totally agree with your comments Malvernrob.
[quote][p][bold]Malvernrob[/bold] wrote: For goodness sake man, just get it fixed and pay up. Take responsibility for your life. No wonder this country is in such a mess.[/p][/quote]This country is far too soft, and as long as the papers keep printing this nonsense, attention seekers will continue to whine over anything. He should be made to go on a diy course, us taxpayers foot the end bill. Totally agree with your comments Malvernrob. thecigarman
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9:20pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Dickie of Dodderhill says...

Mr A Mazing wrote:
Another gripping 'news' story. Come on Worcester News, some of the stuff recently has been dire.
Well, after 40 years I have had enough, the Worcester Evening News was a good read with at least some decent news in it, Your, (why the flippin heck do you insist on calling it that ! ) Worcester News, is now appaling with your usual glum pictures and non stories like this one.

No more will I part with my cash or contribute to this comments forum. Good bye all, Dickie of Dodderhill signing off.
[quote][p][bold]Mr A Mazing[/bold] wrote: Another gripping 'news' story. Come on Worcester News, some of the stuff recently has been dire.[/p][/quote]Well, after 40 years I have had enough, the Worcester Evening News was a good read with at least some decent news in it, Your, (why the flippin heck do you insist on calling it that ! ) Worcester News, is now appaling with your usual glum pictures and non stories like this one. No more will I part with my cash or contribute to this comments forum. Good bye all, Dickie of Dodderhill signing off. Dickie of Dodderhill
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10:36pm Thu 14 Mar 13

grumpy woman says...

Call Services. This man is obviously incapable of bringing up children. What sort of example is he giving these children.
Call Services. This man is obviously incapable of bringing up children. What sort of example is he giving these children. grumpy woman
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9:42am Fri 15 Mar 13

Hillbilly1 says...

Guy66 wrote:
Hillbilly1 wrote:
Guy66 wrote:
Hillbilly1 wrote:
Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused.
No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so.
This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.
Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected.

What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix....
Bare wires can spark, and there's a lot of flammable material around that socket. If the wallpaper catches the spark, he's facing a huge liability claim.
If he puts a saw in the door temporarily, and it did come out and injure his child, the landlord would quite rightly claim that he no longer had any liability as the door had been tampered with. Landlords have obligations to tenants, and will try everything to limit their liability, including where tenants have carried out their own repairs. WCH have admitted their liability to carry out the repairs, the tenant must not override this however easy or quick it might seem.
Do you even know how an RCD protected circuit works?
Yes, but was his house built before or after the 17th edition of IEE Electrical Wiring Regulation? The 16th edition only covered RCD protection of sockets to be used by outdoor appliances. And any way there is still no legal requirement to protect against overcurrent. We have no idea whether he has any form of RCD in the house, let alone whether it is RCCB or RCBO. And you can be **** sure that the tenant won't know this.
[quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hillbilly1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hillbilly1[/bold] wrote: Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused. No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so. This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.[/p][/quote]Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected. What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix....[/p][/quote]Bare wires can spark, and there's a lot of flammable material around that socket. If the wallpaper catches the spark, he's facing a huge liability claim. If he puts a saw in the door temporarily, and it did come out and injure his child, the landlord would quite rightly claim that he no longer had any liability as the door had been tampered with. Landlords have obligations to tenants, and will try everything to limit their liability, including where tenants have carried out their own repairs. WCH have admitted their liability to carry out the repairs, the tenant must not override this however easy or quick it might seem.[/p][/quote]Do you even know how an RCD protected circuit works?[/p][/quote]Yes, but was his house built before or after the 17th edition of IEE Electrical Wiring Regulation? The 16th edition only covered RCD protection of sockets to be used by outdoor appliances. And any way there is still no legal requirement to protect against overcurrent. We have no idea whether he has any form of RCD in the house, let alone whether it is RCCB or RCBO. And you can be **** sure that the tenant won't know this. Hillbilly1
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9:45am Fri 15 Mar 13

Hillbilly1 says...

raq wrote:
Will WCH charge him for the repairing the damage which his family caused?
Yes they will, and as he says in the article, he he fully prepared to pay the costs of damage. This story isn't about him wanting it fixed for free, its about whether a potential electrical hazard, in this case caused by damage, is considered an emergency or not. WCH consider that it isn't, and I find that quite surprising.
[quote][p][bold]raq[/bold] wrote: Will WCH charge him for the repairing the damage which his family caused?[/p][/quote]Yes they will, and as he says in the article, he he fully prepared to pay the costs of damage. This story isn't about him wanting it fixed for free, its about whether a potential electrical hazard, in this case caused by damage, is considered an emergency or not. WCH consider that it isn't, and I find that quite surprising. Hillbilly1
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11:02am Fri 15 Mar 13

catcostume says...

CAN SOMEONE CHANGE MY LIGHTBULB FOR ME PLEASE I DONT KNOW HOW
CAN SOMEONE CHANGE MY LIGHTBULB FOR ME PLEASE I DONT KNOW HOW catcostume
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11:29am Fri 15 Mar 13

Respectable says...

Hillbilly1 wrote:
Guy66 wrote:
Hillbilly1 wrote:
Guy66 wrote:
Hillbilly1 wrote:
Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused.
No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so.
This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.
Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected.

What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix....
Bare wires can spark, and there's a lot of flammable material around that socket. If the wallpaper catches the spark, he's facing a huge liability claim.
If he puts a saw in the door temporarily, and it did come out and injure his child, the landlord would quite rightly claim that he no longer had any liability as the door had been tampered with. Landlords have obligations to tenants, and will try everything to limit their liability, including where tenants have carried out their own repairs. WCH have admitted their liability to carry out the repairs, the tenant must not override this however easy or quick it might seem.
Do you even know how an RCD protected circuit works?
Yes, but was his house built before or after the 17th edition of IEE Electrical Wiring Regulation? The 16th edition only covered RCD protection of sockets to be used by outdoor appliances. And any way there is still no legal requirement to protect against overcurrent. We have no idea whether he has any form of RCD in the house, let alone whether it is RCCB or RCBO. And you can be **** sure that the tenant won't know this.
Some impressive electrical knowledge here...

What about getting an old cereal box and roll of gaffer tape or similar and making a temporary cover / guard to stop the kids lighting up. Is it too hard to manage your own safety ?
[quote][p][bold]Hillbilly1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hillbilly1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hillbilly1[/bold] wrote: Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused. No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so. This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.[/p][/quote]Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected. What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix....[/p][/quote]Bare wires can spark, and there's a lot of flammable material around that socket. If the wallpaper catches the spark, he's facing a huge liability claim. If he puts a saw in the door temporarily, and it did come out and injure his child, the landlord would quite rightly claim that he no longer had any liability as the door had been tampered with. Landlords have obligations to tenants, and will try everything to limit their liability, including where tenants have carried out their own repairs. WCH have admitted their liability to carry out the repairs, the tenant must not override this however easy or quick it might seem.[/p][/quote]Do you even know how an RCD protected circuit works?[/p][/quote]Yes, but was his house built before or after the 17th edition of IEE Electrical Wiring Regulation? The 16th edition only covered RCD protection of sockets to be used by outdoor appliances. And any way there is still no legal requirement to protect against overcurrent. We have no idea whether he has any form of RCD in the house, let alone whether it is RCCB or RCBO. And you can be **** sure that the tenant won't know this.[/p][/quote]Some impressive electrical knowledge here... What about getting an old cereal box and roll of gaffer tape or similar and making a temporary cover / guard to stop the kids lighting up. Is it too hard to manage your own safety ? Respectable
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1:38pm Fri 15 Mar 13

Brummie_exile says...

Yet again another non news worthy story from WN. This is up there with the binman using the driveway as a toilet and the man with no chicken in his curry!
Yet again another non news worthy story from WN. This is up there with the binman using the driveway as a toilet and the man with no chicken in his curry! Brummie_exile
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1:42pm Fri 15 Mar 13

Vox populi says...

Maybe he should man up or JFDI....

Amazes me that people who can't make safe a plug socket can actually procreate or be in charge of the wellbeing of children.
Maybe he should man up or JFDI.... Amazes me that people who can't make safe a plug socket can actually procreate or be in charge of the wellbeing of children. Vox populi
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3:00pm Fri 15 Mar 13

mauro balbino says...

Some people have it shamelessly easy...
Some people have it shamelessly easy... mauro balbino
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3:55pm Fri 15 Mar 13

catcostume says...

Brummie_exile wrote:
Yet again another non news worthy story from WN. This is up there with the binman using the driveway as a toilet and the man with no chicken in his curry!
http://apiln.blogspo
t.co.uk/2013/03/no-c
hicken-in-his-chicke
n-curry-anger.html
[quote][p][bold]Brummie_exile[/bold] wrote: Yet again another non news worthy story from WN. This is up there with the binman using the driveway as a toilet and the man with no chicken in his curry![/p][/quote]http://apiln.blogspo t.co.uk/2013/03/no-c hicken-in-his-chicke n-curry-anger.html catcostume
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6:14pm Fri 15 Mar 13

scolesy says...

God help us!!! Good on the WN for going the whole hog,not only the grumpy picture but a crying baby(was it pinched?? just to make sure??). To be honest I'm a bit of a ludite when it comes to things of an electrical nature,PC,TV,trying to record some thing etc,,,,,.But I have to an extent COMMON SENSE. Fair enough its a council place and rent is paid (by us no doubt) so will have to make sure its safe,but a few quid would have sorted it,,,WHC will charge him at least £25. Afew years back my rifle jammed in a very bad fire fight in Bosnia,who did I call??? Mr Bayonet,Any way I'm fat now can somebody please help me get my chips and four burgers from the take away,,will of course pay with my dole money(as if,,),,,,,,,Gone in this Great Country is the word GREAT,we are becoming a nation of spongers and muppets,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,
God help us!!! Good on the WN for going the whole hog,not only the grumpy picture but a crying baby(was it pinched?? just to make sure??). To be honest I'm a bit of a ludite when it comes to things of an electrical nature,PC,TV,trying to record some thing etc,,,,,.But I have to an extent COMMON SENSE. Fair enough its a council place and rent is paid (by us no doubt) so will have to make sure its safe,but a few quid would have sorted it,,,WHC will charge him at least £25. Afew years back my rifle jammed in a very bad fire fight in Bosnia,who did I call??? Mr Bayonet,Any way I'm fat now can somebody please help me get my chips and four burgers from the take away,,will of course pay with my dole money(as if,,),,,,,,,Gone in this Great Country is the word GREAT,we are becoming a nation of spongers and muppets,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,, scolesy
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8:50pm Fri 15 Mar 13

Dick1970 says...

I used to live by this family and they were 150 % neighbours from hell. What goes round comes around !
The only caring he did was for the local illegal drugs community.

Enough said.
I used to live by this family and they were 150 % neighbours from hell. What goes round comes around ! The only caring he did was for the local illegal drugs community. Enough said. Dick1970
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3:55pm Sat 16 Mar 13

green49 says...

What a load of crap been spouted on this, as i am a landlord who rents out to the council, any electrical problem has to be dealt with as part of the contract asap ( same day)and WCH is a landlord so it should be done asap, the door issue, he should take it off as it will just get damaged more just being hanging on one hinge, the frame looks a mess and will need a proper repair not a bodge as it looks like that has been done before.
What a load of crap been spouted on this, as i am a landlord who rents out to the council, any electrical problem has to be dealt with as part of the contract asap ( same day)and WCH is a landlord so it should be done asap, the door issue, he should take it off as it will just get damaged more just being hanging on one hinge, the frame looks a mess and will need a proper repair not a bodge as it looks like that has been done before. green49
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9:13pm Sat 16 Mar 13

leemo79 says...

mauro balbino wrote:
Some people have it shamelessly easy...
^^this.

Living in a council house paying pittance rent (if, of course, he pays it), getting money off the state to pay for the 5 children he has produced, probably has rent and council tax paid and now even trivial problems are 'Really Infuriating' to these people who demand everything yet give nothing.

I live in a privately rented property, a few weeks ago i broke a socket with a hoover, same as the gentleman here. I went to homebase, brought a new socket, read the instructions that come with the socket, turned off my electric supply and fixed it myself!!

Oh and i built a stable door for the kitchen, including a frame, hung it, painted it.. looks ace.

Did i mention i am female!!
Seriously, with a bit of brain power this 'really infuriating danger to my kids' could be fixed by yours truly..

May just ring the Worcester news to come out so i can have a smug picture taken next to my gate.. think its front page worthy?
[quote][p][bold]mauro balbino[/bold] wrote: Some people have it shamelessly easy...[/p][/quote]^^this. Living in a council house paying pittance rent (if, of course, he pays it), getting money off the state to pay for the 5 children he has produced, probably has rent and council tax paid and now even trivial problems are 'Really Infuriating' to these people who demand everything yet give nothing. I live in a privately rented property, a few weeks ago i broke a socket with a hoover, same as the gentleman here. I went to homebase, brought a new socket, read the instructions that come with the socket, turned off my electric supply and fixed it myself!! Oh and i built a stable door for the kitchen, including a frame, hung it, painted it.. looks ace. Did i mention i am female!! Seriously, with a bit of brain power this 'really infuriating danger to my kids' could be fixed by yours truly.. May just ring the Worcester news to come out so i can have a smug picture taken next to my gate.. think its front page worthy? leemo79
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11:30pm Sat 16 Mar 13

scolesy says...

leemo79 wrote:
mauro balbino wrote:
Some people have it shamelessly easy...
^^this.

Living in a council house paying pittance rent (if, of course, he pays it), getting money off the state to pay for the 5 children he has produced, probably has rent and council tax paid and now even trivial problems are 'Really Infuriating' to these people who demand everything yet give nothing.

I live in a privately rented property, a few weeks ago i broke a socket with a hoover, same as the gentleman here. I went to homebase, brought a new socket, read the instructions that come with the socket, turned off my electric supply and fixed it myself!!

Oh and i built a stable door for the kitchen, including a frame, hung it, painted it.. looks ace.

Did i mention i am female!!
Seriously, with a bit of brain power this 'really infuriating danger to my kids' could be fixed by yours truly..

May just ring the Worcester news to come out so i can have a smug picture taken next to my gate.. think its front page worthy?
Its not smug the WN are after its sad and hard done by,,,,,
[quote][p][bold]leemo79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mauro balbino[/bold] wrote: Some people have it shamelessly easy...[/p][/quote]^^this. Living in a council house paying pittance rent (if, of course, he pays it), getting money off the state to pay for the 5 children he has produced, probably has rent and council tax paid and now even trivial problems are 'Really Infuriating' to these people who demand everything yet give nothing. I live in a privately rented property, a few weeks ago i broke a socket with a hoover, same as the gentleman here. I went to homebase, brought a new socket, read the instructions that come with the socket, turned off my electric supply and fixed it myself!! Oh and i built a stable door for the kitchen, including a frame, hung it, painted it.. looks ace. Did i mention i am female!! Seriously, with a bit of brain power this 'really infuriating danger to my kids' could be fixed by yours truly.. May just ring the Worcester news to come out so i can have a smug picture taken next to my gate.. think its front page worthy?[/p][/quote]Its not smug the WN are after its sad and hard done by,,,,, scolesy
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11:56am Sun 17 Mar 13

WooWoo123 says...

I agree he shouldn't be fiddling with electrics himself but guess what, there are people called electricians. You know, they do it for a living. But I guess people who moan about this type of poor treatment by a council they probably don't pay council tax to don't know what working for a living means!!
I agree he shouldn't be fiddling with electrics himself but guess what, there are people called electricians. You know, they do it for a living. But I guess people who moan about this type of poor treatment by a council they probably don't pay council tax to don't know what working for a living means!! WooWoo123
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4:45pm Sun 17 Mar 13

RogerLFC says...

The door frame in that pic looks like it hasn't been wiped down or cleaned in years! Very yellow as well. Possibly a build up of nicotine. Just lazy living in my book ...
The door frame in that pic looks like it hasn't been wiped down or cleaned in years! Very yellow as well. Possibly a build up of nicotine. Just lazy living in my book ... RogerLFC
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5:00pm Sun 17 Mar 13

Respectable says...

Dick1970 wrote:
I used to live by this family and they were 150 % neighbours from hell. What goes round comes around !
The only caring he did was for the local illegal drugs community.

Enough said.
And there it is. Seems Dick1970 has confirmed what most people were thinking.
[quote][p][bold]Dick1970[/bold] wrote: I used to live by this family and they were 150 % neighbours from hell. What goes round comes around ! The only caring he did was for the local illegal drugs community. Enough said.[/p][/quote]And there it is. Seems Dick1970 has confirmed what most people were thinking. Respectable
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8:32pm Mon 18 Mar 13

Bravo, San Juan says...

Brummie_exile wrote:
Yet again another non news worthy story from WN. This is up there with the binman using the driveway as a toilet and the man with no chicken in his curry!
Could I just suggest that those who complain about the comedy non-stories in the (our) WN have a look at the local rags of Birmingham, Reading or Liverpool. Larger cities, granted, but its either the Craggy Island-style "Man crosses road" story or the "drugs/stabbing/murd
er" take your pick. I used to tell people at uni as they read the Reading Harbinger (or whatever it was called) about the WN leading with stories of "Councillor swaps car for another car" (remember that one?) and they didn't believe me. Yes, Mr Paterson may be a whining prat with a heightened sense of entitlement, but what sort of stories would you rather see...?
[quote][p][bold]Brummie_exile[/bold] wrote: Yet again another non news worthy story from WN. This is up there with the binman using the driveway as a toilet and the man with no chicken in his curry![/p][/quote]Could I just suggest that those who complain about the comedy non-stories in the (our) WN have a look at the local rags of Birmingham, Reading or Liverpool. Larger cities, granted, but its either the Craggy Island-style "Man crosses road" story or the "drugs/stabbing/murd er" take your pick. I used to tell people at uni as they read the Reading Harbinger (or whatever it was called) about the WN leading with stories of "Councillor swaps car for another car" (remember that one?) and they didn't believe me. Yes, Mr Paterson may be a whining prat with a heightened sense of entitlement, but what sort of stories would you rather see...? Bravo, San Juan
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7:31am Tue 19 Mar 13

thecigarman says...

Stories of happiness and not so much doom and gloom, or people whinging about pathetic things.
Stories of happiness and not so much doom and gloom, or people whinging about pathetic things. thecigarman
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5:58pm Tue 19 Mar 13

Bravo, San Juan says...

You're right cigarman. Have we got any juggling dogs anywhere? In fact, any funny animal ones where maybe a duck accidentally drives a train or something? Compared with current "newsworthy" stuff the bars not too high :-)
You're right cigarman. Have we got any juggling dogs anywhere? In fact, any funny animal ones where maybe a duck accidentally drives a train or something? Compared with current "newsworthy" stuff the bars not too high :-) Bravo, San Juan
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6:51pm Tue 19 Mar 13

thecigarman says...

Bravo, San Juan wrote:
You're right cigarman. Have we got any juggling dogs anywhere? In fact, any funny animal ones where maybe a duck accidentally drives a train or something? Compared with current "newsworthy" stuff the bars not too high :-)
spot on, lets all be happy for once. Too much sad news in the world as it is, without pathetic morons moaning about currys with no chicken in it and lazy people who cant stop damageing council property.
[quote][p][bold]Bravo, San Juan[/bold] wrote: You're right cigarman. Have we got any juggling dogs anywhere? In fact, any funny animal ones where maybe a duck accidentally drives a train or something? Compared with current "newsworthy" stuff the bars not too high :-)[/p][/quote]spot on, lets all be happy for once. Too much sad news in the world as it is, without pathetic morons moaning about currys with no chicken in it and lazy people who cant stop damageing council property. thecigarman
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7:14pm Tue 19 Mar 13

Bravo, San Juan says...

WN, are you listening? Splendid. Can you bounders please run some sort of feature in the very near future whereby you announce that there's more than a handful of people annoyed that there appears to be nothing in the news and you would love for people to get in touch if they have anything that might bring just a small bit of delight or pleasure to anybody at all. I mean, Paterson, curries, there is literally no public interest there whatsoever. If someone is putting an event on then can they let you know? (I know from personal experience you are good for this). If a kid proudly wins a medal at something, even if it’s just their knots badge at cubs, can they let you know? If someone has a good deed done for them by someone; let you know. The ONE PURPOSE OF ANY STORY must be to put a smile on someone’s face. If it’s only one person, it’s better than 60-odd comments asking why you have printed such tedium. Make more of your local music reporters; you could fill the paper with news of local gigs alone. Extend the sports section to cover all kids’ teams, Rooney might get bored of being on the back pages but the ten year old who never scores and then gets his name in the paper one week will be over the moon. YOU ARE HERBY CHALLENGED TO BRING NOTHING BUT HAPPINESS AND CHEER TO THE PEOPLE OF THE FAITHFUL CITY FOR A PERIOD OF NO LESS THAN ONE WEEK. And if it’s a slow news day then just get out your office, cross the road, and take a picture of some ducks on the river. Everyone likes ducks.

And, while I’m at it, you are henceforth also challenged to promote some more community cohesion by attempting to get us into the Guinness Book of Records twice a year. Don’t care how you do it, which record, or anything. If you need volunteers I believe you have something in the region of 100,000 within a five mile radius...

Go :-)
WN, are you listening? Splendid. Can you bounders please run some sort of feature in the very near future whereby you announce that there's more than a handful of people annoyed that there appears to be nothing in the news and you would love for people to get in touch if they have anything that might bring just a small bit of delight or pleasure to anybody at all. I mean, Paterson, curries, there is literally no public interest there whatsoever. If someone is putting an event on then can they let you know? (I know from personal experience you are good for this). If a kid proudly wins a medal at something, even if it’s just their knots badge at cubs, can they let you know? If someone has a good deed done for them by someone; let you know. The ONE PURPOSE OF ANY STORY must be to put a smile on someone’s face. If it’s only one person, it’s better than 60-odd comments asking why you have printed such tedium. Make more of your local music reporters; you could fill the paper with news of local gigs alone. Extend the sports section to cover all kids’ teams, Rooney might get bored of being on the back pages but the ten year old who never scores and then gets his name in the paper one week will be over the moon. YOU ARE HERBY CHALLENGED TO BRING NOTHING BUT HAPPINESS AND CHEER TO THE PEOPLE OF THE FAITHFUL CITY FOR A PERIOD OF NO LESS THAN ONE WEEK. And if it’s a slow news day then just get out your office, cross the road, and take a picture of some ducks on the river. Everyone likes ducks. And, while I’m at it, you are henceforth also challenged to promote some more community cohesion by attempting to get us into the Guinness Book of Records twice a year. Don’t care how you do it, which record, or anything. If you need volunteers I believe you have something in the region of 100,000 within a five mile radius... Go :-) Bravo, San Juan
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8:45pm Tue 19 Mar 13

thecigarman says...

HAHAHA. But lets hope they listen.
HAHAHA. But lets hope they listen. thecigarman
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8:54pm Tue 19 Mar 13

Bravo, San Juan says...

Here, it seems that Connell boy is into taking a new direction with his journalism and is none too afraid to court a controversy or two. James, I'm putting you in charge son. Let me know how you get on.
Here, it seems that Connell boy is into taking a new direction with his journalism and is none too afraid to court a controversy or two. James, I'm putting you in charge son. Let me know how you get on. Bravo, San Juan
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7:19pm Wed 20 Mar 13

lizzyloolah says...

thecigarman wrote:
HAHAHA. But lets hope they listen.
It will never work. Someone, somewhere will not like ducks, not one little bit, not like them, not at all!
[quote][p][bold]thecigarman[/bold] wrote: HAHAHA. But lets hope they listen.[/p][/quote]It will never work. Someone, somewhere will not like ducks, not one little bit, not like them, not at all! lizzyloolah
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7:47pm Wed 20 Mar 13

Bravo, San Juan says...

lizzyloolah wrote:
thecigarman wrote:
HAHAHA. But lets hope they listen.
It will never work. Someone, somewhere will not like ducks, not one little bit, not like them, not at all!
The day that happens is the day the terrorists will have won
[quote][p][bold]lizzyloolah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thecigarman[/bold] wrote: HAHAHA. But lets hope they listen.[/p][/quote]It will never work. Someone, somewhere will not like ducks, not one little bit, not like them, not at all![/p][/quote]The day that happens is the day the terrorists will have won Bravo, San Juan
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7:56pm Wed 20 Mar 13

lizzyloolah says...

Not its true! Some people are so horrid they eat them. I know a man who works tirelessly on the rivers and waterways rescuing swans and ducks that people have done nasty things to. He doesn't even get paid for it. It is a labour of love. He hates people though.
Not its true! Some people are so horrid they eat them. I know a man who works tirelessly on the rivers and waterways rescuing swans and ducks that people have done nasty things to. He doesn't even get paid for it. It is a labour of love. He hates people though. lizzyloolah
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9:16pm Wed 20 Mar 13

thecigarman says...

Mr Bird.
Mr Bird. thecigarman
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9:26pm Wed 20 Mar 13

Bravo, San Juan says...

thecigarman wrote:
Mr Bird.
The plot thickens...
[quote][p][bold]thecigarman[/bold] wrote: Mr Bird.[/p][/quote]The plot thickens... Bravo, San Juan
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9:47pm Wed 20 Mar 13

thecigarman says...

Bravo, San Juan wrote:
thecigarman wrote:
Mr Bird.
The plot thickens...
?????????????????
[quote][p][bold]Bravo, San Juan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thecigarman[/bold] wrote: Mr Bird.[/p][/quote]The plot thickens...[/p][/quote]????????????????? thecigarman
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7:36pm Thu 21 Mar 13

lizzyloolah says...

thecigarman wrote:
Mr Bird.
Yes, you know him too? Lovely bloke is Eddie.
[quote][p][bold]thecigarman[/bold] wrote: Mr Bird.[/p][/quote]Yes, you know him too? Lovely bloke is Eddie. lizzyloolah
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7:42pm Thu 21 Mar 13

thecigarman says...

Yes he is, hes been rescueing them for years, great man.
Yes he is, hes been rescueing them for years, great man. thecigarman
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7:45pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Bravo, San Juan says...

Then a feature on this Mr Bird shall be the first in the new direction for the new-look WN! James, where are you?

Anyone won anything? Had a good deed done for them? Saw a cat do something funny?

:-)
Then a feature on this Mr Bird shall be the first in the new direction for the new-look WN! James, where are you? Anyone won anything? Had a good deed done for them? Saw a cat do something funny? :-) Bravo, San Juan
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8:47pm Thu 21 Mar 13

lizzyloolah says...

There was a little mention of him recently in the paper but it wasn't included in the online news. I was disappointed. I wanted to share it on my FB.
There was a little mention of him recently in the paper but it wasn't included in the online news. I was disappointed. I wanted to share it on my FB. lizzyloolah
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11:08pm Mon 25 Mar 13

Guy66 says...

Hillbilly1 wrote:
Guy66 wrote:
Hillbilly1 wrote:
Guy66 wrote:
Hillbilly1 wrote:
Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused.
No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so.
This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.
Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected.

What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix....
Bare wires can spark, and there's a lot of flammable material around that socket. If the wallpaper catches the spark, he's facing a huge liability claim.
If he puts a saw in the door temporarily, and it did come out and injure his child, the landlord would quite rightly claim that he no longer had any liability as the door had been tampered with. Landlords have obligations to tenants, and will try everything to limit their liability, including where tenants have carried out their own repairs. WCH have admitted their liability to carry out the repairs, the tenant must not override this however easy or quick it might seem.
Do you even know how an RCD protected circuit works?
Yes, but was his house built before or after the 17th edition of IEE Electrical Wiring Regulation? The 16th edition only covered RCD protection of sockets to be used by outdoor appliances. And any way there is still no legal requirement to protect against overcurrent. We have no idea whether he has any form of RCD in the house, let alone whether it is RCCB or RCBO. And you can be **** sure that the tenant won't know this.
I think you'll find the Housing association has a duty of care to update to RCD protected consumer boards where they are not fitted. Ends your point easily!
[quote][p][bold]Hillbilly1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hillbilly1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hillbilly1[/bold] wrote: Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused. No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so. This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.[/p][/quote]Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected. What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix....[/p][/quote]Bare wires can spark, and there's a lot of flammable material around that socket. If the wallpaper catches the spark, he's facing a huge liability claim. If he puts a saw in the door temporarily, and it did come out and injure his child, the landlord would quite rightly claim that he no longer had any liability as the door had been tampered with. Landlords have obligations to tenants, and will try everything to limit their liability, including where tenants have carried out their own repairs. WCH have admitted their liability to carry out the repairs, the tenant must not override this however easy or quick it might seem.[/p][/quote]Do you even know how an RCD protected circuit works?[/p][/quote]Yes, but was his house built before or after the 17th edition of IEE Electrical Wiring Regulation? The 16th edition only covered RCD protection of sockets to be used by outdoor appliances. And any way there is still no legal requirement to protect against overcurrent. We have no idea whether he has any form of RCD in the house, let alone whether it is RCCB or RCBO. And you can be **** sure that the tenant won't know this.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the Housing association has a duty of care to update to RCD protected consumer boards where they are not fitted. Ends your point easily! Guy66
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9:39pm Thu 28 Mar 13

daffy says...

homeowners do make me laugh, it is your property, your responsibility, used to own my own house with my ex, but now a wch tenant, if you read the article he is not complaining about paying. this is not something that i would touch with a barge poll either. "Marc Mayall, head of building maintenance service at WCH, said: “We take our repair responsibilities seriously and we will always try to meet the needs of our customers" this man is speaking out of his butt - i had a leaky central heating boiler before xmas when the weather was really bad and it took about 3wks before they came out and completed the job - did i go running to the paper no especially with the sympathetic comments that get made on here
homeowners do make me laugh, it is your property, your responsibility, used to own my own house with my ex, but now a wch tenant, if you read the article he is not complaining about paying. this is not something that i would touch with a barge poll either. "Marc Mayall, head of building maintenance service at WCH, said: “We take our repair responsibilities seriously and we will always try to meet the needs of our customers" this man is speaking out of his butt - i had a leaky central heating boiler before xmas when the weather was really bad and it took about 3wks before they came out and completed the job - did i go running to the paper no especially with the sympathetic comments that get made on here daffy
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