Broken socket is risk to my family (From Worcester News)
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Broken socket is risk to my family
3:50pm Wednesday 13th March 2013 in Worcester By Catherine Phillips, Reporter
DOOR UNHINGED: David Paterson with 12-month-old daughter Elle-Louise. 1113268101
AN angry father-of-five claims his children are facing danger in their own home from exposed electrical wiring which he was told would not be fixed for five days.
David Paterson, of Woodstock Road, called Worcester Community Housing (WCH) immediately after his 11-year-old son Christian accidentally knocked the surface-mounted socket on Monday with a pushchair, breaking the casing.
The registered carer thought the damage would be fixed immediately but was furious when he was told it was not an emergency and could take up to five days.
The door leading to the dining room is hanging by one hinge after years of repairs had left the frame resembling a “colander” so could not be used to cordon off the area, he said.
A WCH spokesperson said the call did not fall within its category of emergency 24-hour response but was categorised as urgent, meaning work would be carried out within five working days.
Mr Paterson had asked his son to move a pushchair into the dining room but Christian, who goes to Regency High School, accidentally caught the socket with the pushchair and it shattered.
“I understand it is our fault and we will have to pay, I am not bothered about that, but it is totally unsafe and needs fixing immediately,” he said.
A trained tradesman was expected to visit the family home today.
But the 39-year-old said he believed someone should have been sent out as an emergency as the exposed wires put his children Christian, who has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), McKenzie, seven, Charlie, Archie, a four-year-old with learning difficulties, and Elle-Louise, one, at risk.
The family was forced to cancel Charlie’s sixth birthday party on Tuesday because of fears over the safety of his friends.
Mr Paterson added: “Our dining room door is broken and I have two disabled children so it means I will have to stand in the dining room doorway to stop them going in – it is an absolute joke.
“It is totally unsafe because the wires are exposed. If the door was fixed I could put a catch but I can’t even do that.”
Marc Mayall, head of building maintenance service at WCH, said: “We take our repair responsibilities seriously and we will always try to meet the needs of our customers, on this occasion, unfortunately, Mr Peterson was not happy with our service.
“We will take this into consideration when the repair categories are reviewed in the future.”
He said that due to the nature of how the socket was damaged Mr Paterson would be charged for the repair work.
Comments(82)
Robot 3021
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4:14pm Wed 13 Mar 13
Am I missing something here? Is there a legal reason why they can't do something themselves temporarily, to alleviate the immediate problems, or even, as suggested, get a new socket cover and fix it?
southernfairy
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4:30pm Wed 13 Mar 13
You are getting free or cheap rent housing yet people still complain?!!!
You could have easily covered up that socket temporarily till wch fixed it.
I am fed up of these people contacting the papers over housing issues, I bet they are doing it to be moved elsewhere!
jennifer1995
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4:38pm Wed 13 Mar 13
jennifer1995
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4:39pm Wed 13 Mar 13
old misery
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4:41pm Wed 13 Mar 13
Sir Smeg
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4:51pm Wed 13 Mar 13
Then fix it dear Liza, it's not rocket science. You only need to be 'competent' to fix minor electrical faults, or are you suggesting you're not competent?
TDH123
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5:23pm Wed 13 Mar 13
southernfairy
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5:24pm Wed 13 Mar 13
blueworcs
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5:28pm Wed 13 Mar 13
lizzyloolah
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6:02pm Wed 13 Mar 13
psychoflump
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6:11pm Wed 13 Mar 13
Nothing stopping him maybe putting a bookcase or something in front of it to block it off temporarily.
wooshman
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7:23pm Wed 13 Mar 13
EconoXL
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8:11pm Wed 13 Mar 13
It's really not worthy of a news story is it?
Moves Unlike Jagger
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8:16pm Wed 13 Mar 13
CJH
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9:41pm Wed 13 Mar 13
MissMini
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10:09pm Wed 13 Mar 13
Andy1955
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10:10pm Wed 13 Mar 13
Plus an 11 year old with ADHD?
Part of your jobs as parents is to make their home safe, and to encourage them with their future...
I really believe that it these kids were given a chance, away from the Family they could have a 'normal' life in front of them.
I don't mean to offend, but its how I feel!
Guy66
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11:25pm Wed 13 Mar 13
psychoflump wrote:That's a good point but most people have a clue where the consumer unit is (electrical fuse box) and how to turn the RCD circuits off and on. The modern units are sensitive enough to trip when a light bulb blows so you must have a clue how to handle that situation? or do they call the housing association to change light bulbs as well?
To be fair to the man if he's not knowledgable about electrics it's not smart to go poking around in sockets. All you people advocating him having a go, you'd probably be making comments along the lines of "what a prat, trying to fix this himself", upon reading a headline of "Man electrocutes himself fiddling with power socket."
Nothing stopping him maybe putting a bookcase or something in front of it to block it off temporarily.
topjock1972
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2:26am Thu 14 Mar 13
jennifer1995
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7:28am Thu 14 Mar 13
Respectable
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7:35am Thu 14 Mar 13
New Kid on the Block
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8:27am Thu 14 Mar 13
WCH could always send an emergency electrician round then send the Bill.
ushmush83
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8:42am Thu 14 Mar 13
Hwicce
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9:45am Thu 14 Mar 13
He shouldn't be using those socket covers either.
See - http://www.fatallyfl
awed.org.uk/
FourWFR
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10:32am Thu 14 Mar 13
Hillbilly1
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11:39am Thu 14 Mar 13
No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so.
This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.
thecigarman
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11:51am Thu 14 Mar 13
Guy66
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11:55am Thu 14 Mar 13
Hillbilly1 wrote:Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected.
Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused.
No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so.
This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.
What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix....
Hillbilly1
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12:24pm Thu 14 Mar 13
Guy66 wrote:Guy, you forgot to mention to turn off the power supply at the fuse box. You have just potentially killed the chap, so that's pretty poor help you've provided. You are also assuming he knows how to wire sockets, which he may not.
http://www.screwfix.
com/p/marbo-2-gang-s
urface-pattress-box-
white-25mm/30888
£0.88
http://www.screwfix.
com/p/marbo-13a-2-ga
ng-dp-switched-plug-
socket-white/24029
£2.10
and then five minutes to fix.
While I have sympathy with your predicament, it takes less than £3 and less than 10 minutes time to fix a broken surface mounted electric socket.......
psychoflump
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12:27pm Thu 14 Mar 13
Hillbilly1 wrote:This.
Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused.
No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so.
This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.
I privately rent, if I had a broken socket I'd expect the landlord to sort it. If you own the property and pay a mortgage then it's your problem, one of the (few) advantages of renting is not having to deal with stuff like this.
Hillbilly1
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12:30pm Thu 14 Mar 13
Guy66 wrote:Bare wires can spark, and there's a lot of flammable material around that socket. If the wallpaper catches the spark, he's facing a huge liability claim.
Hillbilly1 wrote:Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected.
Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused.
No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so.
This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.
What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix....
If he puts a saw in the door temporarily, and it did come out and injure his child, the landlord would quite rightly claim that he no longer had any liability as the door had been tampered with. Landlords have obligations to tenants, and will try everything to limit their liability, including where tenants have carried out their own repairs. WCH have admitted their liability to carry out the repairs, the tenant must not override this however easy or quick it might seem.
Keith B
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12:38pm Thu 14 Mar 13
Nobody came to cut it for me - Am I an angry pensioner, annoyed Dad, furious businessman .... not really and I haven't even folded my arms for the angry picture.
My shed needs a lick of paint too, I've got a wonky floorboard and a washer needs replacing on a dripping tap.
I know what I'll do .... I'll either call in a tradesman or mend it myself.
I've worked hard all my life to buy my house, so I have to sort these things out for myself. Nothing comes for free for people who work hard and save.
But when I get old or ill and I really DO need help, because I've put some of my already taxed money aside I won't be eligible for free care and the politicians of the left and centre (which include half the Tory's too) will want me to be taxed on my savings, pay extra tax on my nice house, plus taxes on my pension which Gordon Brown already taxed the hell out of before selling off all the Gold reserves at the bottom of the market.
This is a worthwhile story for Worcester News to carry if only to remind most of us how much we are paying to subsidise the lifestyle of the likes of Mr Paterson and the rest of the Nanny State reliant members of the community.
Guy66
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1:18pm Thu 14 Mar 13
Hillbilly1 wrote:Do you even know how an RCD protected circuit works?
Guy66 wrote:Bare wires can spark, and there's a lot of flammable material around that socket. If the wallpaper catches the spark, he's facing a huge liability claim.
Hillbilly1 wrote:Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected.
Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused.
No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so.
This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.
What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix....
If he puts a saw in the door temporarily, and it did come out and injure his child, the landlord would quite rightly claim that he no longer had any liability as the door had been tampered with. Landlords have obligations to tenants, and will try everything to limit their liability, including where tenants have carried out their own repairs. WCH have admitted their liability to carry out the repairs, the tenant must not override this however easy or quick it might seem.
imustbeoldiwearacap
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2:06pm Thu 14 Mar 13
Mr A Mazing
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2:35pm Thu 14 Mar 13
Come on Worcester News, some of the stuff recently has been dire.
CJH
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2:46pm Thu 14 Mar 13
New Kid on the Block
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4:25pm Thu 14 Mar 13
My dining room door has been in place for over 90 years and has not needed years of repairs.
If Mr Paterson is going to be charged for the repair by WCH this means that they consider him to be responsible for the damage.
So why doesn't he do what most people would consider normal and either fix it, or get it fixed?
thecigarman
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5:22pm Thu 14 Mar 13
imustbeoldiwearacap
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5:39pm Thu 14 Mar 13
raq
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6:13pm Thu 14 Mar 13
pinkfluff
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8:45pm Thu 14 Mar 13
New Kid on the Block wrote:In my experience the doors get damaged like that because the children swing on them. Seen it a fair few times now. I'm just a little suspicious of the explanation about how the socket was damaged too. I am happy to be wrong though.
Why has the door required years of repairs? Who keeps breaking it and how?
My dining room door has been in place for over 90 years and has not needed years of repairs.
If Mr Paterson is going to be charged for the repair by WCH this means that they consider him to be responsible for the damage.
So why doesn't he do what most people would consider normal and either fix it, or get it fixed?
pinkfluff
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8:48pm Thu 14 Mar 13
Keith B wrote:hmmmmm the WN seems be doing a fair bit of this lately.
My lawn needs cutting. Worth a headline?
Nobody came to cut it for me - Am I an angry pensioner, annoyed Dad, furious businessman .... not really and I haven't even folded my arms for the angry picture.
My shed needs a lick of paint too, I've got a wonky floorboard and a washer needs replacing on a dripping tap.
I know what I'll do .... I'll either call in a tradesman or mend it myself.
I've worked hard all my life to buy my house, so I have to sort these things out for myself. Nothing comes for free for people who work hard and save.
But when I get old or ill and I really DO need help, because I've put some of my already taxed money aside I won't be eligible for free care and the politicians of the left and centre (which include half the Tory's too) will want me to be taxed on my savings, pay extra tax on my nice house, plus taxes on my pension which Gordon Brown already taxed the hell out of before selling off all the Gold reserves at the bottom of the market.
This is a worthwhile story for Worcester News to carry if only to remind most of us how much we are paying to subsidise the lifestyle of the likes of Mr Paterson and the rest of the Nanny State reliant members of the community.
Malvernrob
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9:02pm Thu 14 Mar 13
thecigarman
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9:08pm Thu 14 Mar 13
Malvernrob wrote:This country is far too soft, and as long as the papers keep printing this nonsense, attention seekers will continue to whine over anything. He should be made to go on a diy course, us taxpayers foot the end bill. Totally agree with your comments Malvernrob.
For goodness sake man, just get it fixed and pay up. Take responsibility for your life. No wonder this country is in such a mess.
Dickie of Dodderhill
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9:20pm Thu 14 Mar 13
Mr A Mazing wrote:Well, after 40 years I have had enough, the Worcester Evening News was a good read with at least some decent news in it, Your, (why the flippin heck do you insist on calling it that ! ) Worcester News, is now appaling with your usual glum pictures and non stories like this one.
Another gripping 'news' story. Come on Worcester News, some of the stuff recently has been dire.
No more will I part with my cash or contribute to this comments forum. Good bye all, Dickie of Dodderhill signing off.
grumpy woman
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10:36pm Thu 14 Mar 13
Hillbilly1
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9:42am Fri 15 Mar 13
Guy66 wrote:Yes, but was his house built before or after the 17th edition of IEE Electrical Wiring Regulation? The 16th edition only covered RCD protection of sockets to be used by outdoor appliances. And any way there is still no legal requirement to protect against overcurrent. We have no idea whether he has any form of RCD in the house, let alone whether it is RCCB or RCBO. And you can be **** sure that the tenant won't know this.
Hillbilly1 wrote:Do you even know how an RCD protected circuit works?
Guy66 wrote:Bare wires can spark, and there's a lot of flammable material around that socket. If the wallpaper catches the spark, he's facing a huge liability claim.
Hillbilly1 wrote:Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected.
Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused.
No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so.
This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.
What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix....
If he puts a saw in the door temporarily, and it did come out and injure his child, the landlord would quite rightly claim that he no longer had any liability as the door had been tampered with. Landlords have obligations to tenants, and will try everything to limit their liability, including where tenants have carried out their own repairs. WCH have admitted their liability to carry out the repairs, the tenant must not override this however easy or quick it might seem.
Hillbilly1
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9:45am Fri 15 Mar 13
raq wrote:Yes they will, and as he says in the article, he he fully prepared to pay the costs of damage. This story isn't about him wanting it fixed for free, its about whether a potential electrical hazard, in this case caused by damage, is considered an emergency or not. WCH consider that it isn't, and I find that quite surprising.
Will WCH charge him for the repairing the damage which his family caused?
catcostume
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11:02am Fri 15 Mar 13
Respectable
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11:29am Fri 15 Mar 13
Hillbilly1 wrote:Some impressive electrical knowledge here...
Guy66 wrote:Yes, but was his house built before or after the 17th edition of IEE Electrical Wiring Regulation? The 16th edition only covered RCD protection of sockets to be used by outdoor appliances. And any way there is still no legal requirement to protect against overcurrent. We have no idea whether he has any form of RCD in the house, let alone whether it is RCCB or RCBO. And you can be **** sure that the tenant won't know this.
Hillbilly1 wrote:Do you even know how an RCD protected circuit works?
Guy66 wrote:Bare wires can spark, and there's a lot of flammable material around that socket. If the wallpaper catches the spark, he's facing a huge liability claim.
Hillbilly1 wrote:Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected.
Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused.
No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so.
This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.
What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix....
If he puts a saw in the door temporarily, and it did come out and injure his child, the landlord would quite rightly claim that he no longer had any liability as the door had been tampered with. Landlords have obligations to tenants, and will try everything to limit their liability, including where tenants have carried out their own repairs. WCH have admitted their liability to carry out the repairs, the tenant must not override this however easy or quick it might seem.
What about getting an old cereal box and roll of gaffer tape or similar and making a temporary cover / guard to stop the kids lighting up. Is it too hard to manage your own safety ?
Brummie_exile
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1:38pm Fri 15 Mar 13
Vox populi
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1:42pm Fri 15 Mar 13
Amazes me that people who can't make safe a plug socket can actually procreate or be in charge of the wellbeing of children.
mauro balbino
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3:00pm Fri 15 Mar 13
catcostume
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3:55pm Fri 15 Mar 13
Brummie_exile wrote:http://apiln.blogspo
Yet again another non news worthy story from WN. This is up there with the binman using the driveway as a toilet and the man with no chicken in his curry!
t.co.uk/2013/03/no-c
hicken-in-his-chicke
n-curry-anger.html
scolesy
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6:14pm Fri 15 Mar 13
,,,,
Dick1970
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8:50pm Fri 15 Mar 13
The only caring he did was for the local illegal drugs community.
Enough said.
green49
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3:55pm Sat 16 Mar 13
leemo79
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9:13pm Sat 16 Mar 13
mauro balbino wrote:^^this.
Some people have it shamelessly easy...
Living in a council house paying pittance rent (if, of course, he pays it), getting money off the state to pay for the 5 children he has produced, probably has rent and council tax paid and now even trivial problems are 'Really Infuriating' to these people who demand everything yet give nothing.
I live in a privately rented property, a few weeks ago i broke a socket with a hoover, same as the gentleman here. I went to homebase, brought a new socket, read the instructions that come with the socket, turned off my electric supply and fixed it myself!!
Oh and i built a stable door for the kitchen, including a frame, hung it, painted it.. looks ace.
Did i mention i am female!!
Seriously, with a bit of brain power this 'really infuriating danger to my kids' could be fixed by yours truly..
May just ring the Worcester news to come out so i can have a smug picture taken next to my gate.. think its front page worthy?
scolesy
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11:30pm Sat 16 Mar 13
leemo79 wrote:Its not smug the WN are after its sad and hard done by,,,,,
mauro balbino wrote:^^this.
Some people have it shamelessly easy...
Living in a council house paying pittance rent (if, of course, he pays it), getting money off the state to pay for the 5 children he has produced, probably has rent and council tax paid and now even trivial problems are 'Really Infuriating' to these people who demand everything yet give nothing.
I live in a privately rented property, a few weeks ago i broke a socket with a hoover, same as the gentleman here. I went to homebase, brought a new socket, read the instructions that come with the socket, turned off my electric supply and fixed it myself!!
Oh and i built a stable door for the kitchen, including a frame, hung it, painted it.. looks ace.
Did i mention i am female!!
Seriously, with a bit of brain power this 'really infuriating danger to my kids' could be fixed by yours truly..
May just ring the Worcester news to come out so i can have a smug picture taken next to my gate.. think its front page worthy?
WooWoo123
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11:56am Sun 17 Mar 13
RogerLFC
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4:45pm Sun 17 Mar 13
Respectable
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5:00pm Sun 17 Mar 13
Dick1970 wrote:And there it is. Seems Dick1970 has confirmed what most people were thinking.
I used to live by this family and they were 150 % neighbours from hell. What goes round comes around !
The only caring he did was for the local illegal drugs community.
Enough said.
Bravo, San Juan
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8:32pm Mon 18 Mar 13
Brummie_exile wrote:Could I just suggest that those who complain about the comedy non-stories in the (our) WN have a look at the local rags of Birmingham, Reading or Liverpool. Larger cities, granted, but its either the Craggy Island-style "Man crosses road" story or the "drugs/stabbing/murd
Yet again another non news worthy story from WN. This is up there with the binman using the driveway as a toilet and the man with no chicken in his curry!
er" take your pick. I used to tell people at uni as they read the Reading Harbinger (or whatever it was called) about the WN leading with stories of "Councillor swaps car for another car" (remember that one?) and they didn't believe me. Yes, Mr Paterson may be a whining prat with a heightened sense of entitlement, but what sort of stories would you rather see...?
thecigarman
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7:31am Tue 19 Mar 13
Bravo, San Juan
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5:58pm Tue 19 Mar 13
thecigarman
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6:51pm Tue 19 Mar 13
Bravo, San Juan wrote:spot on, lets all be happy for once. Too much sad news in the world as it is, without pathetic morons moaning about currys with no chicken in it and lazy people who cant stop damageing council property.
You're right cigarman. Have we got any juggling dogs anywhere? In fact, any funny animal ones where maybe a duck accidentally drives a train or something? Compared with current "newsworthy" stuff the bars not too high :-)
Bravo, San Juan
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7:14pm Tue 19 Mar 13
And, while I’m at it, you are henceforth also challenged to promote some more community cohesion by attempting to get us into the Guinness Book of Records twice a year. Don’t care how you do it, which record, or anything. If you need volunteers I believe you have something in the region of 100,000 within a five mile radius...
Go :-)
thecigarman
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8:45pm Tue 19 Mar 13
Bravo, San Juan
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8:54pm Tue 19 Mar 13
lizzyloolah
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7:19pm Wed 20 Mar 13
thecigarman wrote:It will never work. Someone, somewhere will not like ducks, not one little bit, not like them, not at all!
HAHAHA. But lets hope they listen.
Bravo, San Juan
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7:47pm Wed 20 Mar 13
lizzyloolah wrote:The day that happens is the day the terrorists will have won
thecigarman wrote:It will never work. Someone, somewhere will not like ducks, not one little bit, not like them, not at all!
HAHAHA. But lets hope they listen.
lizzyloolah
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7:56pm Wed 20 Mar 13
thecigarman
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9:16pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Bravo, San Juan
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9:26pm Wed 20 Mar 13
thecigarman wrote:The plot thickens...
Mr Bird.
thecigarman
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9:47pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Bravo, San Juan wrote:?????????????????
thecigarman wrote:The plot thickens...
Mr Bird.
lizzyloolah
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7:36pm Thu 21 Mar 13
thecigarman wrote:Yes, you know him too? Lovely bloke is Eddie.
Mr Bird.
thecigarman
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7:42pm Thu 21 Mar 13
Bravo, San Juan
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7:45pm Thu 21 Mar 13
Anyone won anything? Had a good deed done for them? Saw a cat do something funny?
:-)
lizzyloolah
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8:47pm Thu 21 Mar 13
Guy66
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11:08pm Mon 25 Mar 13
Hillbilly1 wrote:I think you'll find the Housing association has a duty of care to update to RCD protected consumer boards where they are not fitted. Ends your point easily!
Guy66 wrote:Yes, but was his house built before or after the 17th edition of IEE Electrical Wiring Regulation? The 16th edition only covered RCD protection of sockets to be used by outdoor appliances. And any way there is still no legal requirement to protect against overcurrent. We have no idea whether he has any form of RCD in the house, let alone whether it is RCCB or RCBO. And you can be **** sure that the tenant won't know this.
Hillbilly1 wrote:Do you even know how an RCD protected circuit works?
Guy66 wrote:Bare wires can spark, and there's a lot of flammable material around that socket. If the wallpaper catches the spark, he's facing a huge liability claim.
Hillbilly1 wrote:Highly unlikely to cause a fire considering the standard the electrics would have to be maintained at - fully RCD protected.
Is he even allowed to fiddle with the power supply? It's not his house, he is only a tenant. That is the responsibility of the landlord. What if he tried to fix this and burned the house down? Most household fires are started by electrical faults. Plus he would be fully liable for all damage caused.
No, he mustn't even consider fixing this himself, his tenancy contract would forbid him from doing so.
This article isn't about a lazy man not prepared to fix it himself, as he says, he is fully prepared to pay for the damage. It is about whether a broken socket and bare wires is considered an emergency or not. If it had been a broken gas connection , then I am sure WCH would have been out in a flash. It is surprising that leaking electrics aren't considered to be an emergency.
What about the door - one screw would be temporary enough to fix it. How many minutes, less 30 seconds to fix....
If he puts a saw in the door temporarily, and it did come out and injure his child, the landlord would quite rightly claim that he no longer had any liability as the door had been tampered with. Landlords have obligations to tenants, and will try everything to limit their liability, including where tenants have carried out their own repairs. WCH have admitted their liability to carry out the repairs, the tenant must not override this however easy or quick it might seem.
daffy
says...
9:39pm Thu 28 Mar 13
Guy66 says...
4:01pm Wed 13 Mar 13
com/p/marbo-2-gang-s
urface-pattress-box-
white-25mm/30888
£0.88
http://www.screwfix.
com/p/marbo-13a-2-ga
ng-dp-switched-plug-
socket-white/24029
£2.10
and then five minutes to fix.
While I have sympathy with your predicament, it takes less than £3 and less than 10 minutes time to fix a broken surface mounted electric socket.......