Allah Ditta in burial ground row - audio

7:30am Thursday 30th August 2012 in Worcester Exclusive By Tom Edwards

ROW: Allah Ditta ROW: Allah Ditta

A COUNCILLOR threatened to dig up the dead body of a Worcester man during a row with his grieving family over the grave.

Allah Ditta , a former city mayor, was secretly recorded launching a tirade of abuse at the Muslim cemetery in Perdiswell.

In the recording, he threatened to “get the digger” and pull out the body unless the family paid £400 towards the maintenance of a grave for Monuhor Ali, who died aged 74 in June.

Mr Ali, a father-of-seven and former factory worker, who lived in Arboretum Road, died of heart failure.

His son Ruhal Hussain, 41, has been tending to his dad’s grave almost every day and was paying a visit to the site last Friday when he was stopped by Coun Ditta.

He said: “He handed me a £400 bill the previous time I saw him there and I haven’t paid it as I’ve got no idea what it is for. He came over shouting and swearing, but then it got even worse and he was screaming ‘I’ll get the digger’ and was actually threatening to dig up my dad’s body and pull it out.

“It was sick, I felt violated. We were left shocked and devastated. I was very upset at first but now I’m just angry – it’s no way for someone in that position to behave.”

Coun Ditta, a Conservative, is chairman of the Worcester Muslim Cemetery Committee, a volunteer-based group that manages the site on behalf of the Worcester Muslim Welfare Association.

The family say they have paid £625 for burial fees and another £875 to a funeral director, but will not pay the £400 as they believe the claim is not for genuine work.

In the recording, Mr Hussain is heard to say: “We’ve paid the council a cheque, we don’t owe you anything”, to which Coun Ditta responds: “I’ll get a digger and dig it up. I’ll dig it out, I’m telling you.”

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He then shouts: “From now on, you’ll get no body buried here.”

Nazrul Islam, 35, a family friend who was there at the time, said: “I couldn’t believe what I was hearing – it was shocking.”

The family say they recorded the conversation as they had been involved with difficult conversations with him before.

The cemetery, which was built in the 1970s, is leased by the city council to Worcester Muslim Welfare Association. The city council does burial work at the site on behalf of the association.

The family also reported the altercation to the police but were told it was a civil matter.

When contacted by the Worcester News , Coun Ditta said: “I’ve had to do some work around the grave and they’ve been invoiced in good faith, but haven’t paid.

“I’ve told them, ‘If you don’t pay the alternative is, you dig your dad up and take his body elsewhere’.”

Haris Saleem, chairman of the Worcester Muslim Welfare Association, said he believed the bill was genuine.

“There’s clearly been a rift here, which is very sad,” he said.

“I don’t know what has been said or not said, but nobody will be digging a body out – that would be morally and lawfully wrong.”

Both Worcester City Council and its leader Coun Simon Geraghty, who is also leader of the city’s Conservative group, declined to comment.

 

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Comments(69)

luke4387 says...
9:33am Thu 30 Aug 12

Does not surprise me one bit with Ditta! My sympathies with Mr Hussain.

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Arthur Blenkinsop says...
9:43am Thu 30 Aug 12

Concur with Luke. Why he is still a councillor is beyond me.

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brooksider says...
9:47am Thu 30 Aug 12

I remember the Worcester News headline:
'Everyone fears Allah Ditta family'
Now we know why.

Maybe the charity commissioners and Revenue and Customs should look into this organisation as the WMWA make no mention of any income except 'Donations'.

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MrSeeEss says...
10:19am Thu 30 Aug 12

I have encountered Mr Ditta causing a public nuisance on a number of occasions and I am under the opinion he considers himself untouchable in the eyes of the law. He is aggressive and full of self-importance and I have no idea how someone like this can represent any real public values or concerns.

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deborah-coldicottcollins says...
10:33am Thu 30 Aug 12

Well its "NO" secret now is it, and it about time someone caught the true opinions of a politician. I absolutely agree with MrSeeEss, Allah Ditta is always in the press for something or other not above board. He does not represent a thing not even ourselves, he s a normal politician looks after No1. He would never get my vote I would rather vote for scooby doo, and thats saying something.

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brooksider says...
10:40am Thu 30 Aug 12

At a Worcester City Council Cabinet meeting on 12th July this year, Roger Knight recommended that the cemetery land be transferred to unnamed trustees nominated by the Worcester Muslim Welfare Association, the Al Madina Islamic Centre, and The Jalalabad Association.

Why are the Council 'transferring' Council land and why are the names of the trustees being kept secret?

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mod1979 says...
11:02am Thu 30 Aug 12

Still no comments from Worcester City Council. What an absolute disgrace. My condolence to Mr Hussain and his family for their recent loss.

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Jackie Barry says...
11:14am Thu 30 Aug 12

Sack Him.

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MrSeeEss says...
11:31am Thu 30 Aug 12

If you have heard the audio, you will hear some of the foul language he is all too fond of using.

Perhaps it would be completely unfair to say that being conned by his son is a reflection on him.

On the other hand, it makes it so much easier to believe that other people would have been ripped off and abused by this family, many, many times.

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caz sunshine newbz says...
11:38am Thu 30 Aug 12

luke4387 wrote:
Does not surprise me one bit with Ditta! My sympathies with Mr Hussain.
Disgusting !!!!

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caz sunshine newbz says...
11:43am Thu 30 Aug 12

Disgusting , Dispicable.......beh
aviour!!!

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luke4387 says...
12:04pm Thu 30 Aug 12

I know many people who have had dealings with Mr Ditta and all have said what a horrible person he is. Always in the local news for negative issues and nothing ever positive. He should resign or failing that be sacked! A despicable man!

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mayall8808 says...
12:31pm Thu 30 Aug 12

I stood face to face with this man and he could see i wasn't going to back off, he did.
We do not need people like him.

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faisals says...
12:44pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Oh he does yet again & again, clean up operation for the Council 'again' as they always do.
Hardly surprising council have not commented yet this man is using the councils name over and over again

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Horatio One says...
12:48pm Thu 30 Aug 12

It is very unlikely that Coun Ditta has a licence from the Department of Constitutional Affairs .

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mod1979 says...
1:24pm Thu 30 Aug 12

£400 to look after a grave since the middle of June..What is the actual cost for?? as the family had actually paid the bill?? Would Mr. Ditta like to come forward with an explanation or dare he.

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Maggie Would says...
1:29pm Thu 30 Aug 12

I acknowledge that Coun Ditta appears to have a few enemies and that he appears to have behaved badly in this instance (I haven't heard the recording; it was on here earlier but seems to have been taken down). I further acknowledge that he is a public figure and that as such he has set himself up to be attacked. However, am I alone in thinking that it is improper for the WN to allow repeated attacks on him by anonymous commenters, when he cannot defend himself against these people individually?
Just for info, I don't know him, never met him & he doesn't represent me as a resident or anything that I stand for politically on the council.
I just find the whole thing somewhat distasteful.

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adilfrraz says...
1:44pm Thu 30 Aug 12

How sad!! What is the average cost of a burial in the UK? Approximately the cost of a funeral can differ widely, from £1,799 to £4,199 (January 2012). So currently the grieving family who have my deepest sympathies have by their own admission paid for approximately £1500 for certain burial services. So who should fit the remainder of the bill? The taxpayer? Come on people if a service is used by someone are they exempt from the costs? Also due to the costs of a burial many people have no other option but to cremate their loved ones.

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Hwicce says...
1:51pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Misconduct in Public Office?

Definition of the offence

The elements of the offence are summarised in Attorney General's Reference No 3 of 2003 EWCA Crim 868. The offence is committed when:

a public officer acting as such

wilfully neglects to perform his duty and/or wilfully misconducts himself

to such a degree as to amount to an abuse of the public's trust in the office holder

without reasonable excuse or justification

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MrSeeEss says...
1:52pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Maggie Would wrote:
I acknowledge that Coun Ditta appears to have a few enemies and that he appears to have behaved badly in this instance (I haven't heard the recording; it was on here earlier but seems to have been taken down). I further acknowledge that he is a public figure and that as such he has set himself up to be attacked. However, am I alone in thinking that it is improper for the WN to allow repeated attacks on him by anonymous commenters, when he cannot defend himself against these people individually?
Just for info, I don't know him, never met him & he doesn't represent me as a resident or anything that I stand for politically on the council.
I just find the whole thing somewhat distasteful.
If it was an isolated incident, I am sure people may even be defending him.

This man's conduct has clearly been questionable on a number of occasions, so what is being recorded here is perhaps more of a backlash, than an attack.

I would happily hear Mr Ditta's response to incidents involving me, as I am sure others would be willing to in a public forum.

This is a classic case of reaping what you sow.

The Worcester News comments section is open for public debate on issues affecting the area.

Not least those who are in positions of authority, within the public sector.

Perhaps this is the most open forum that people can speak up in, on issues affecting those in leadership of the region.

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adilfrraz says...
1:53pm Thu 30 Aug 12

One more point if you listen to the audio it seems that they want the council to fit the bill and just as Mr Ditta pointed out the family were informed of the costs. This is just another way for our council tax to be spent on other peoples expenses and why should the family not pay?

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Hwicce says...
1:56pm Thu 30 Aug 12

I think the simplest way forward is for the council to take back the cemetary and run it like the other cemetaries.

That way there will be no opportunity for vague "management committees" to be able to ask for money and you will get what you pay for.

Simple really.

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adilfrraz says...
1:59pm Thu 30 Aug 12

People you are clearly missing the point! The family want the council to pay and from my experience the payment of burial costs lies with the family of the deceased

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Hwicce says...
2:05pm Thu 30 Aug 12

adilfrraz wrote:
People you are clearly missing the point! The family want the council to pay and from my experience the payment of burial costs lies with the family of the deceased
Maybe you need to read the story. They have paid the burial costs (£625 + £875). What they are querying is the extra £400 being demanded.

What is it for?

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thecigarman says...
2:14pm Thu 30 Aug 12

The family are not asking the council to pay, its the extra charge Ditta is asking for there arguing about, and knowing Ditta i would also, he seems to be at his old tricks again, its not the first time and it wont be the last, the hussain family are great people having known them and Ditta for over 40 yrs, the council seems never to argue with Ditta, its been going on for years. Its rare that people in the muslim community speak out against each other its normally sorted out in house, but look at the history of this man its always him Ditta. Wonder why?

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MrSeeEss says...
2:24pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Hwicce wrote:
adilfrraz wrote:
People you are clearly missing the point! The family want the council to pay and from my experience the payment of burial costs lies with the family of the deceased
Maybe you need to read the story. They have paid the burial costs (£625 + £875). What they are querying is the extra £400 being demanded.

What is it for?
It seems a fair question. The charges may well be valid.

But this is clearly not the right time and place for the discussion, there is a distinct lack of good judgement, decorum and taste being used by a council leader here.

I cannot hear any mention in the audio of the council bearing any burial costs. If this is something in the part of the discussion that is not in English, I am sure a translation into English would be appreciated.

But what is actually being questioned form my POV is the conduct of the councillor, rather than the issue of the charges being invoiced.

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Gruszeczka says...
4:11pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Ask him about Timberdine Avenue

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Hawlev says...
4:56pm Thu 30 Aug 12

I think the tirade was totally uncalled for, all the family want is an explanation of the £400 being demanded. I for one would not pay £400 if I was unsure as to what it was for. Although I've read through the article a couple of times I can't see anywhere that the family want the council or tax payers to pay as mentioned in a couple of the comments. I'm sure if the family were given a full explanation of the costs they would pay or if they still disputed it then the matter could be dealt woth by solicitors.

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mod1979 says...
5:05pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Maggie Would wrote:
I acknowledge that Coun Ditta appears to have a few enemies and that he appears to have behaved badly in this instance (I haven't heard the recording; it was on here earlier but seems to have been taken down). I further acknowledge that he is a public figure and that as such he has set himself up to be attacked. However, am I alone in thinking that it is improper for the WN to allow repeated attacks on him by anonymous commenters, when he cannot defend himself against these people individually?
Just for info, I don't know him, never met him & he doesn't represent me as a resident or anything that I stand for politically on the council.
I just find the whole thing somewhat distasteful.
We have asked for his comments..

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mod1979 says...
5:20pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Maggie Would wrote:
I acknowledge that Coun Ditta appears to have a few enemies and that he appears to have behaved badly in this instance (I haven't heard the recording; it was on here earlier but seems to have been taken down). I further acknowledge that he is a public figure and that as such he has set himself up to be attacked. However, am I alone in thinking that it is improper for the WN to allow repeated attacks on him by anonymous commenters, when he cannot defend himself against these people individually?
Just for info, I don't know him, never met him & he doesn't represent me as a resident or anything that I stand for politically on the council.
I just find the whole thing somewhat distasteful.
Hi Maggie Would.. I have found the link for the recording

http://www.worcester
news.co.uk/news/9899
520.Allah_Ditta_in_b
urial_ground_row___a
udio/

Nobody should have to put up with this sort of abusive Behaviour, listen and you will see why people are not happy with Mr. Ditta.

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Maggie Would says...
5:33pm Thu 30 Aug 12

mod1979 wrote:
Maggie Would wrote:
I acknowledge that Coun Ditta appears to have a few enemies and that he appears to have behaved badly in this instance (I haven't heard the recording; it was on here earlier but seems to have been taken down). I further acknowledge that he is a public figure and that as such he has set himself up to be attacked. However, am I alone in thinking that it is improper for the WN to allow repeated attacks on him by anonymous commenters, when he cannot defend himself against these people individually?
Just for info, I don't know him, never met him & he doesn't represent me as a resident or anything that I stand for politically on the council.
I just find the whole thing somewhat distasteful.
Hi Maggie Would.. I have found the link for the recording

http://www.worcester

news.co.uk/news/9899

520.Allah_Ditta_in_b

urial_ground_row___a

udio/

Nobody should have to put up with this sort of abusive Behaviour, listen and you will see why people are not happy with Mr. Ditta.
Well, thank you for that. I have listened to it and I have to confess I couldn't make head or tail of who was saying what. I picked up random phrases, nothing else.
I shall make no further comment.

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mod1979 says...
5:57pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Maggie Would wrote:
mod1979 wrote:
Maggie Would wrote:
I acknowledge that Coun Ditta appears to have a few enemies and that he appears to have behaved badly in this instance (I haven't heard the recording; it was on here earlier but seems to have been taken down). I further acknowledge that he is a public figure and that as such he has set himself up to be attacked. However, am I alone in thinking that it is improper for the WN to allow repeated attacks on him by anonymous commenters, when he cannot defend himself against these people individually?
Just for info, I don't know him, never met him & he doesn't represent me as a resident or anything that I stand for politically on the council.
I just find the whole thing somewhat distasteful.
Hi Maggie Would.. I have found the link for the recording

http://www.worcester


news.co.uk/news/9899


520.Allah_Ditta_in_b


urial_ground_row___a


udio/

Nobody should have to put up with this sort of abusive Behaviour, listen and you will see why people are not happy with Mr. Ditta.
Well, thank you for that. I have listened to it and I have to confess I couldn't make head or tail of who was saying what. I picked up random phrases, nothing else.
I shall make no further comment.
Well I heard it loud and clear..funny how some people only hear what they want.

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Gillian1961 says...
6:16pm Thu 30 Aug 12

The poor chap must be rolling in his grave,

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adilfrraz says...
6:44pm Thu 30 Aug 12

After speaking to a people concerned I have concluded-A bit of background regarding this audio- It was cleverly orchestrated and the the main person who is speaking about the costs is no other the EX-labour of Arboretum who has a personal gripe against Mr Ditta regarding Labour-conservative politics dating back over 12 years and has actually got nothing to do with the costs, which they will pay as they are liable.

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Maggie Would says...
6:57pm Thu 30 Aug 12

mod1979 wrote:
Maggie Would wrote:
mod1979 wrote:
Maggie Would wrote:
I acknowledge that Coun Ditta appears to have a few enemies and that he appears to have behaved badly in this instance (I haven't heard the recording; it was on here earlier but seems to have been taken down). I further acknowledge that he is a public figure and that as such he has set himself up to be attacked. However, am I alone in thinking that it is improper for the WN to allow repeated attacks on him by anonymous commenters, when he cannot defend himself against these people individually?
Just for info, I don't know him, never met him & he doesn't represent me as a resident or anything that I stand for politically on the council.
I just find the whole thing somewhat distasteful.
Hi Maggie Would.. I have found the link for the recording

http://www.worcester



news.co.uk/news/9899



520.Allah_Ditta_in_b



urial_ground_row___a



udio/

Nobody should have to put up with this sort of abusive Behaviour, listen and you will see why people are not happy with Mr. Ditta.
Well, thank you for that. I have listened to it and I have to confess I couldn't make head or tail of who was saying what. I picked up random phrases, nothing else.
I shall make no further comment.
Well I heard it loud and clear..funny how some people only hear what they want.
Thank you for that. My hearing isn't the best, I have difficulty making out voices when there are other sounds. Much of it sounds like a cacophony to me, which is pretty well what life is like if I am in a crowded pub or a busy shop etc.

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jenny001 says...
7:15pm Thu 30 Aug 12

What kind of people are involved with our Council, Ditta seems nothing more than a thug, Roger Knight now the cat is out out of the bag should be made to come clean about giving our land away ( l say our land it belongs to the people of Worcester) just how much underhanded goings on are being done in secret -come clean Mr Knight or resign Hwicce has the righht idea the Cemetery should be run by the Council not people who have no more than a money making plan. One can only wonder if the Council have ideas about giving Astwood away etc. In the meantime l feel the Worcester News should cointinue with this story and the goings on with the Council and the secret transfers

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lizzyloolah says...
7:27pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Oh my days..........

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lizzyloolah says...
7:27pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Oh my days..........

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davidcollier1 says...
8:00pm Thu 30 Aug 12

well well well the racist attitudes of the residents of the faithful city have surfaced like a turd in the canal.

Firstly we are not aware of the full facts of the case and to jump the bandwagon is simply disgraceful

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thecigarman says...
8:04pm Thu 30 Aug 12

To say that any of this is about race or that there are any racist comments is very small minded.

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adilfrraz says...
8:27pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Mr Nazrul Islam was involved in the audio conversation. So Mr Rambo0 kindly keep your abusive, false and malicious opinions to yourself. Kind regards

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davidsmallwood says...
8:29pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Warning: Hopefully 'Good language'

Fistly, if this recording ding is indeed genuine and unedited footige (as I always trust everything 'my' WN reports to me).
a) Somebody in this recording is heard clearly saying: "I don't want to speak ill of him".
b) Somebody is heard swearing.

Thanks again WN for handing out another rope and causing more agitation in our peaceful city. Congratulation! Business must really be booming these days eh? eh? You're so great at publishing these earth shattering articles, maybe you can also publish us your annual finacial results on tomorrow's front page too whilst you're at it? You have I think it's something called freedom...I believe, to decline any comment.

Peace be upon you.

Dave

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Theworldtoday says...
9:04pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Rambo0 ??? what is it u have against allah ditta do u have anything to back your claims or r u speaking utter bull ??? whats his family got to do with this ???. I am sure there is a reason for the bill of £400 i would give my last pound so my family member could rest in peace !!! but to be fair i would look after my own familys grave out of respect for my loved ones and not let anyone or council works do it for me so would not need to pay £400 and y were they recording??? what a disrespectful thing to do in such a holy place and a place of rest is it not?? who was it that was recording it ?? and it it the full recording we r hearing ? YOUR WORCESTER NEWS only ever reports the bad news!!! never the good new ...... but good news is not news is it ?!?!?

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adilfrraz says...
9:10pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Theworldtoday wrote:
Rambo0 ??? what is it u have against allah ditta do u have anything to back your claims or r u speaking utter bull ??? whats his family got to do with this ???. I am sure there is a reason for the bill of £400 i would give my last pound so my family member could rest in peace !!! but to be fair i would look after my own familys grave out of respect for my loved ones and not let anyone or council works do it for me so would not need to pay £400 and y were they recording??? what a disrespectful thing to do in such a holy place and a place of rest is it not?? who was it that was recording it ?? and it it the full recording we r hearing ? YOUR WORCESTER NEWS only ever reports the bad news!!! never the good new ...... but good news is not news is it ?!?!?
Agree!!!!

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davidcollier1 says...
9:20pm Thu 30 Aug 12

pathetic -the adjective i would use to descrbe the racist ramblings of some of the closet edl members here.

Simply because we are no loner a christian nation it seems as though this inferiority complex translates into atacking those that are proud of their faith like theWorcester Muslims.

Muslims are a positive force in this city and WN need to stop printing such retarded nonsense

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ray1111 says...
10:19pm Thu 30 Aug 12

from my humble understanding of the muslim cemetary in worcester mr Ditta has personnally being involved in preparing the graves of perhaps 120 of the approx 140 souls buried there . I do not know of anyone in the muslim community who contributes more time and effort to the cemetary than mr ditta.He always seems to be there tidying up and attending the grounds , making foot paths etc , as i saw him doing on a very wet day two weeks ago.
The bill which is owed would be for preparation and capping of the grave ,the blocks used to place the body on and to cover the body and any edging around the grave afterwards.The money would be paid to the muslim welfare trust . So in not paying the brother is dishonouring his father and stealing from the wider muslim community . The wider community may have to all pay more for this service provided by the muslim welfare trust if some members of the community refuse to pay. when i buried my father recently it cost me for a basic service around £5000 the money being argued about is cheap even when compared to a cremation , around £3000. This truely is a sad day for worcester muslims .
Finally when you hear an arguement on the street how many people actually reach for their phones to record it ? this has all the hallmarks of a set up , for what benefit who knows ?

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Rambo0 says...
10:25pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Theworldtoday wrote:
Rambo0 ??? what is it u have against allah ditta do u have anything to back your claims or r u speaking utter bull ??? whats his family got to do with this ???. I am sure there is a reason for the bill of £400 i would give my last pound so my family member could rest in peace !!! but to be fair i would look after my own familys grave out of respect for my loved ones and not let anyone or council works do it for me so would not need to pay £400 and y were they recording??? what a disrespectful thing to do in such a holy place and a place of rest is it not?? who was it that was recording it ?? and it it the full recording we r hearing ? YOUR WORCESTER NEWS only ever reports the bad news!!! never the good new ...... but good news is not news is it ?!?!?
I love Ditta. Gutted not to be part of the clan :( there goes £400!!

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Sleepless in Droitwich says...
10:28pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Calm down, Calm down!!!!!

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ray1111 says...
10:46pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Rambo0 says...

what exactly is stupid about what i wrote ? you wish to tell me something you actually know for a fact , something i am saying is incorrect ? related to mr ditta ?
Does mr ditta have Welsh relatives ? i dont think my family has even been east of norwich.

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davidsmallwood says...
11:00pm Thu 30 Aug 12

There have been various 'rows' in 'our' media recently, I believe
those 'rows' were resolved through something called the P. C. C (http://www.pcc.org.
uk) resulting in quite 'ridiculous' bills i think.

Sorry, I should be more careful with what I type.

Dave

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molecat says...
11:11pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Probably the most shameful collection of comments ever seen on this website.
Make an inoffensive joke on here and it's deleted in minutes. Accuse people of quite awful things with no evidence and the comments remain. A strange editorial policy.

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Theworldtoday says...
11:23pm Thu 30 Aug 12

molecat wrote:
Probably the most shameful collection of comments ever seen on this website.
Make an inoffensive joke on here and it's deleted in minutes. Accuse people of quite awful things with no evidence and the comments remain. A strange editorial policy.
i could not agree with u more !!! allah ditta has done so much for this city and is being fouled mouthed with no fact behide ?? and now his family is being dragged into it and people who have commented are being spoken to very badly for what ?? commenting on a story in the news the same as the person who is dishing out the abusive why is that person still on here ?? very rude and has nothing to back their claims that they are making ...... which is slander!!

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Leeds united fan says...
11:25pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Why are people defending him. He is a bully end of. And doing all this in a cemetry its disgusting

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Theworldtoday says...
11:34pm Thu 30 Aug 12

and why was the person recording in a cemetry ?? why answer him and not be the bigger person and walk way out of respect for where u r ???? no instead have a big row over £400 for 3 mins ...... but the phone is recording it all so got to stand there and get it all on tape for the papers ?? both r in the wrong for having a row in a resting place of people that have past and r sleeping

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jenny001 says...
11:40pm Thu 30 Aug 12

ray1111 wrote:
from my humble understanding of the muslim cemetary in worcester mr Ditta has personnally being involved in preparing the graves of perhaps 120 of the approx 140 souls buried there . I do not know of anyone in the muslim community who contributes more time and effort to the cemetary than mr ditta.He always seems to be there tidying up and attending the grounds , making foot paths etc , as i saw him doing on a very wet day two weeks ago.
The bill which is owed would be for preparation and capping of the grave ,the blocks used to place the body on and to cover the body and any edging around the grave afterwards.The money would be paid to the muslim welfare trust . So in not paying the brother is dishonouring his father and stealing from the wider muslim community . The wider community may have to all pay more for this service provided by the muslim welfare trust if some members of the community refuse to pay. when i buried my father recently it cost me for a basic service around £5000 the money being argued about is cheap even when compared to a cremation , around £3000. This truely is a sad day for worcester muslims .
Finally when you hear an arguement on the street how many people actually reach for their phones to record it ? this has all the hallmarks of a set up , for what benefit who knows ?
Perhaps somebody can answer how Mr Ditta how ever good his intentions is allowed to do the kind of work the ray1111 states. back 18months ago l was warned that if l placed a edging round my Fathers grave it would be removed infact l was also informed that any kind of work on the grave would have to be done by a registred company on the Council list. so is it a case that we have two different sets of rules now - l took notice of what l was instructed but now l feel that l will take the chance and carry on if it's ok at the Muslim Cemetery it must be ok at Astwood

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jenny001 says...
11:45pm Thu 30 Aug 12

jenny001 wrote:
ray1111 wrote:
from my humble understanding of the muslim cemetary in worcester mr Dwhoops key button error sorry

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Leeds united fan says...
11:48pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Theworldtoday wrote:
and why was the person recording in a cemetry ?? why answer him and not be the bigger person and walk way out of respect for where u r ???? no instead have a big row over £400 for 3 mins ...... but the phone is recording it all so got to stand there and get it all on tape for the papers ?? both r in the wrong for having a row in a resting place of people that have past and r sleeping
I agree with you. Although i think as a ex mayor he needs to grow up and lead by example not shouting in the cemetry. Why could he not discuss this quitley and in private

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Ctrl Alt Del says...
12:03am Fri 31 Aug 12

The alleged invoice was clearly shown on BBC Midlands Today programme tonight, it was simply a demand for £400, with no explanation of what this figure was for. I would not have paid in these circumstances.

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faisals says...
12:13am Fri 31 Aug 12

HAHAHAAHAHA the biggest joke, the 'man' has done alot of good work for this community...please someone stop me from laughing

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lesleyborthwick.123 says...
12:57am Fri 31 Aug 12

The crooked councillor
DISGRACED ex-councillor Nazrul Islam has narrowly avoided jail for trying to get a friend into Britain illegally from Bangladesh.

Islam, exposed yesterday as a liar, used his position as a representative for All Saints ward to copy a forged housing officer's letter to back up a visitor's visa.

He claimed the document must have been prepared by someone else - but fraud squad officers discovered a photocopier at Kall Kwik in Worcester's Foregate Street was used for the fake.

An invisible code in the machine matched the copy and proved Islam lied, Hereford Crown Court heard.

A jury convicted 26-year-old Islam, of Chestnut Walk, Worcester, of facilitating the illegal entry into Britain of Ranju Ahmed.

He was also found guilty of copying a forged Worcester City Council letter to induce an officer at the British High Commission in Dhaka, Bangladesh, to accept it as real.

But Islam remained defiant today, insisting he would appeal against his conviction.

And he described the past two years since the allegations came to light as "pure hell".

Recorder Roderick Henderson sentenced Islam to nine months jail, suspended for two years. He was ordered to pay £2,000 court costs.

The recorder said that, although former colleagues on the council had spoken in "glowing terms" of his honesty, he had lied to police.

In one version, he invented a man called Aktar Mokbul and claimed that documentation for Mr Ahmed's visa went to Mr Mokbul's home in Middle Street, Arboretum.

But the landlord and the woman who rented the home had never heard of Mr Mokbul.

By the third police interview, Islam - who lost his council seat in this year's elections to Tory Mohammed Altaf - had substituted the address of an empty house.

The council's housing officer, James Baker, was shown the letter purporting to have come from him, which was handed into the High Commission by Mr Ahmed. It stated that the defendant's address was suitable to take overseas visitors.

But prosecutor Peter Haynes said Mr Baker confirmed that his signature and the "cut and paste" letter were forgeries.

Mr Haynes told the jury that his seat on the council gave Islam "a unique opportunity" to create a fake document and added: "It was a pretty good fist of a forgery of Mr Baker's signature. The defendant knew how Mr Baker signed documents."

Islam obtained a degree in social work and was employed by a housing association helping vulnerable people, said Michael Maher, defending.

He denounced the fake letter as "a cheap little forgery" and said Islam could not explain why he would have become involved in it.

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lesleyborthwick.123 says...
12:59am Fri 31 Aug 12

From the evening news archives the crooked individual is up to his old tricks again

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New Kid on the Block says...
2:32am Fri 31 Aug 12

Rambo0 the immoral comments have come from you. Your comments have totally degraded the discussion on this item.
You obviously have a personal problem which you have allowed to spill over into a libelous rant.
It is very likely that Murray will end up removing all comments and closing down this article all because you don't respect the rules of this site.
So please for the sake of those who wish to continue a civilised discussion either shut up or stop the abuse. Most of the users of this site are capable of having a sensible adult discussion without resorting to personal insult, if you wish to join in please respect the other users of this site.

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lesleyborthwick.123 says...
2:33am Fri 31 Aug 12

I beg your pardon, how rude of you to suggest that "you may just be one of them have been trying to distort and misdirect people on this article all day." You should be ashamed of yourself. I will be reporting you to the paper first thing in the morning and good night you rude vile individaul

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High Time says...
8:57am Fri 31 Aug 12

What ever the rights and wrongs with this article it's looking very political.

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High Time says...
8:59am Fri 31 Aug 12

What ever the rights and wrongs with this article it's looking very political.

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imustbeoldiwearacap says...
9:13am Fri 31 Aug 12

I see the Ed has deleted one of Rambo0 more stupid posts (trouble is the post is still there in other posters quotes!) This has developed into "settling of old scores" and reasonable argument has been replaced with libelous remarks and stupid innuendo. I would sggest that Rambo0 grows up and leaves the playground!

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Voice of the Voyager says...
9:19am Fri 31 Aug 12

It would appear muslim burial grounds attract problems elsewhere. Look at www.thepressnews.co.
uk - which has also surfaced in Private Eye - as regards another ongoing case. It is assumed all ledgers are available to HMRC for tax purposes, the trustees are known to the Charity Commission etc etc for this particular one?

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Jabbadad says...
10:34am Fri 31 Aug 12

I am amazed that Murray has allowed this racist idiot Ramboo to strut his stuff in these columns. While it clearly states that we posters have to be responsible for what we submit, Murray has acted on some of my postings which were totally innocent in comparison to Ramboo's libelous rants. And he (Ramboo) should be aware we are also registered with the paper under our own identity.
As to some of the comments, politics being what they are , there is always political differences within the Asian community. Having no connections or allegiance to any party, I have met with Ditta over several disability issues, and although I had no access to the actions claimed by some posters in these columns, I found him to be, friendly and did what he said he would look into my problems, that is what without fear or favor he did.
As to inbreeding I can only assume that Ramboo ( whose reference to being Welsh has been removed) is unable to express the known facts that in some societies (not mine) it is excepted if not expected to marry your first cousin, which is also claimed to be responsible in a higher proportion than other races to genetically accredited birth defects.
So like others I think that the Graveyard was not the place for this perhaps staged confrontation which just happened to be recorded, and I am also minded that other Asian altercations in this City have been boisterous (mildly speaking), and no further actions were taken.
So I will say I feel that many of the comments in this column, have been racist, Political assassination motivated. And I don't live in Ditta's ward or have any business contacts with him either.
And I have certainly met many other political despicably superior people than Ditta.
While on the topic of funerals, in today's Evening News it was heartening to read former Mayor Dr David Tibbutt, in his obviously uninformed comments asking if there had been any discussion to the size of the Crematorium, when letters have appeared in this paper describing elderly people having to stand in cramped conditions along the sides of the Chapel. In fact I understand from retired councilor Mike Layland that proposals for extending the Chapel to encompass the mourners waiting area were already on paper.
And also commendable for Marc Bayliss comments that any project has to be about affordability. So not only do the Tories place a business plan value on our services during our lives they (Tories) also do when we die. Puts quite a different slant on "From the Cradle to the Grave" eh?

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murray kelso says...
11:00am Fri 31 Aug 12

A number of comments have been removed from this article for reasons that should be obvious to those who have read them. Unfortunately it has also been necessary to delete comments that have quoted the problem posts too. Please accept my apologies.

Meanwhile, to those who have criticised me or the WN's editorial policy (on this and other articles) in relation to comments - it's interesting to note that none of those people have used the 'report this post' link when they read something offensive. Once again, as I've said plenty of times before, I'm not a mind reader. I also don't work 24 hours a day and sometimes there will be a delay between a comment being reported and action being taken.

Appropriate action has now been taken and I have also decided to close the comment facility on these articles.

MK - Digital Editor

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